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President To Explain How Great ObamaCare Is (And Answer Questions) - Live Webcast
As with pretty much everything in the current Schrodinger world in which we live, ObamaCare seems to both save and cost us more at the same time. We are sure Obama's address will explain the fair-and-balanced perspective on it, add some sugar on the payrolls report spin, and the Q&A (which surely our press will ask a little on NSA-related issues) and this should be fun...
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re: Obama and Bradley Manning
"There is a curious inconsistency in a government which punishes aliens for not following their conscience in a given conflict, while penalizing its own citizens for following their conscience in the same kind of conflict. Apparently such a government holds the conscience of its own citizens in lower esteem than that of aliens."
– Albert Einstein
He already knows what we think....
This one sentence editorial appeared in the Peoria Journal Star . . . . .
"A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than a gun in the hands of 200 million law-abiding citizens."
Then Clint Eastwood added his words . . . . .
"We Americans are so tired of being thought of as dumbasses by the rest of the world that we went to the polls this past November and removed all doubt."
Clint Eastwood --
Can someone translate for me? I don't speak douche.
"Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..."
Hey Valerie Jarrett, fuck you!!!!!
valerie "jewess" jarrett.
"You're representatives have been duely informed (of the dragnet)..." OK. You're all fucking fired.
THis world is so fucked up that if I had the chance to ask OBUMMER one question today, I would just ask that FUCKER who he thinks would win the NBA Championship this year because at least I think that he will actually give his WHOLE HEARTED FUCKIN HONEST OPINION and not be from a script.
My question to the Malaysian-in-Chief would be: "Who are you working for? No, seriously. Who are you working for???"
Everyone in the back row is protecting their nutsack like a free kick in soccer...
Congratulations, you've just been flagged by the NSA for a visit from the FBI and the IRS.
just read his fucking teleprompter then.
I know what you're thinking.......was that five terms by President Obama or six. Do you feel lucky bitchez? Well, do ya........???
I was just wondering how the 25 to 35 age group is going to pay for all of this when none of them have a job, and are sitting on 5 to 6 figure student loans?
Do they even know they have been selected to pay for all of this??
I particularly enjoy bringing up that little factoid when dealing with the angry youngsters. It is quite apparent they do not know thay are footing the entire thing, ( with no job ).
So if they do get a job, they have to pay a considerable amount into the Obamacare program, which will be a large portion of their pay leaving them nearly destitute, with a job, where all of their pay goes to fund a useless medical program for fat, stupid, and lazy people.
Im ready, let's get it on!!!
LOL!!
When a lot of them aren't aware who the Vice President is? I doubt they're following what's coming for them in terms of Obama(non)care.
One of my blood relatives goes to a major Ag school here on the Left Coast and he cannot believe the naivety of the student body... particularly thems from the coastal areas. They seem to figure that the bennies of every sort, their rights, like the right to a job, etc., are boundless, endlessly bestowed upon them for free by "society" in all fairness and egalitarianism.
He is shocked.
Having previously worked as i gainfully employed for a couple of years, previously.
Seems a lotta peoples done went and drank the Kool-Aide
We have a public-school and university indoctrination system that is hitting on all cylinders. These kids don't stand a chance, and most parents are either clueless, or wholeheartedly endorse the shit being pumped into their kids' brains because they think the same retarded way also.
The Cultural Marxists have a 60 year head start. What did you expect? Hell I didn't reverse my own social indoctrination programming until I was in my late 30s. The indoctrination techology is so far advanced beyond what I was subjected to, there is probably little hope for today's teenagers.
This is anecdotal evidence I realize, but both my 20-something children have good jobs and are ideologically more conservative/libertarian than their peers. Hmmm, I wonder if there is a correlation there.
I remember the fights my parents and older sister would have when she'd come home during her indoctrination. I'd sit upstairs and listen, worried for her and amazed that there could be such a difference of opinion, even as I was ignorant of the things being argued. It was a good thing for me though, because when I went off to college six years later I was aware in a way that I wouldn't otherwise have been. I still fell for a lot of the crap that took years to reverse and I'm sure it is far worse today.
If they are Democrats, they've been told Republicans will be made to pay. If they're women, they'll be expecting men to pay. If they are minorities, they assume that whites will pay. So who's the stupid person here?
Obamacare is wholly based on the premise if you forcibly require all young "healthy" people to foot the bill of older sicker people (many of whom poor health is due to their own personal choices) the numbers will balance out. Anyone who is educated in basic math can see this is impossible. The way I see it there are few options for the young. One may be become sick and unemployable yourself. I know, not very attractive. Another is to hide out in the basement and become parasitic until your host dies. Hopefully you have an exit strategy in this scenario. A third may be to engage the underground world of income fraud and black markets. Good luck, I hope you can pull it off. Due to your infatuation with monitoring devices, this may be difficult. The last is the most painful. Total violent overthrowal of the entire system. Though the worst choice because of high casualties, those who survive would have the best chance of a good ending.
I know it's often popular here to scoff and denigrate the young as lazy and self absorbed but the way I see it most have lived highly regulated lives and never been allowed to experience being thrown in a swimming pool to figure out how to swim. They were TOLD they were special, not found out themselves though adversity and experience. I actually feel sorry for most of them. Being thrown into a swimming pool to learn how to swim is a universal life metaphor. We all must face it at some point. This has just been delayed for some. And when it does come, they have no life skills to handle it.
Miffed;-)
Tell my older brother it is just a metaphor Miffed. :)
pods
I guess some fall in while others are thrown. How fortunate I was to have a younger brother who was too intimidated by his older sister to do such a thing! ;-) To be honest, i would have deserved it.
Miffed;-)
Was Mr. Eastwood addressing the chair or the desk?
He was famously looking at some sticky shit on his shoe.
Clint needs to be careful. Teleprompters cost real money.
He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good so be good or you'll cease to exist.
Sure I trust them to run Health Care.
As soon as they stop checking out my fuckin kids through the school computer's webcam, good for nothing, sociopathic fucktards.
DIAF, all of you. I wouldn't piss in your mouths if your teeth were on fire!
I know now WHY the Romans cheered when the Goths entered.
pods
DIAF
Die in a fire?
So now Obama is also playing the role of Santa Claus????? I guess this year's Santa Claus rally will be FUCKIN GREAT as Obama is definitely into the 'giving' mode....GIVE to the 1%, take from everyone else.
Answer me this Barry, why aren't you in pains me in the ass Prison yet you Fucki'n Criminal?
Great quote, Tinky!
Best recent article on Obamacare:
http://www.nomiprins.com/thoughts/2012/11/10/real-danger-of-obamacare-insurance-company-takeover-of-healt.html
And for all your hedge fund doods out there.....
http://www.nomiprins.com/thoughts/2013/5/28/making-a-million-an-hour-means-never-having-to-say-youre-sor.html
Obama = Hugo Chavez
Obama is a Soviet plant from a bygone era. This is soooooo 1950s Soviet Union.
"If the Russian word "perestroika" has easily entered the international lexicon, this is due to more than just interest in what is going on in the Soviet Union. Now the whole world needs restructuring, i.e. progressive development, a fundamental change."*
Mikhail Gorbachev
*The source doesn't clarify whether the Change is for the better or worse.
All a matter of perspective, isnt' it?
More often than not "change" is good, though rarely do the revolutionaries tell you about the blood that will be spilled in the process. ;)
Obama is a piece of shit that opened his beat-down with a fucking joke.
He has NO shame.
Naaah, he's pure JPMorgan Chase
I'll be back in 20 mins for this shit show to start.
"The president welcomes a discussion of the tradeoffs between security and civil liberties."
lol tradeoff lol
Obamabot: "You trade your civil liberties and we will use it to increase our security."
4-man human shit-shield hahaha
Ike would have stared down the nay-sayers balls first and unblinking.
How many pre-screened questions will he allow? My guess is one and it will be asked by a shill.
We have a BINGO!
A winner is you! Only one question. About wiretaps.
It's good to see that both parties fully support monitoring all telecommunication.
No one is listening to the calls, just looking at what phone numbers you are calling, along with the time and duration of your calls. That's a relief. Oh, they need a judge to sign off to listen to the calls, that's nice.
As for email, they are only monitoring the email of everyone outside America. That's swell.
Well, I feel better. I guess we all overreacted.
TelePrompter don't fail me now
For crissakes can't Bilderberg make him the president of Somalia next year and give us a F'n break.
Better still ship him back to Kenya where he came from in the first place.
The Keynians now claim him to be a native natural born American citizen
Obama and Odinga Campaign in Kenya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eVVVKFHu0
question from thismarketisrigged,
dear Mr obama, Why the fuck have u not stepped down as president yet? do you not realize you are the biggest fuck up on the planet today and are costing the hard working americans their futures? o ya and fuck u mr obama, thank you
Why would you speak to a puppet that way?
Should be interesting watching Obozo gold plate a turd on live TV.
I thought it would be worth seeing how him putting lipstick on a pig turns out, well moochele is right there and it was better off without it.
As far as the country it would be absolutely AMAZING to see him figure out a way to gold plate this stomped watered down pungent shit swill of an economy.
Fuck that!
I wann see him gold plate a Tungsten bar!
Bernake taught him that long ago I thought
Didnt even listen to the skinny necked fucking cunt.
This shit-stain has made himself plain in my view and is as much use as a chocolate fire guard, if the fucker aint golfing, hes in front of a pre-prompted teleprompter fucking lying.
How much more of this imbeciles fucking soft speach are you bitchez going to take before you string him up? Fuck me, he makes 'Call Me Dave' look fucking sensible for fucks sake, a waste of skin and bones, an embarasment of humanity of which the best part quite obviously ran down his mothers leg. He is so fake and see through, even his own disgraced mother would bluss.
Cunt. :-)
Oh, wow... you're even worse off.
Why is it so hard to see that it matters not one iota who is El Presidente? They ARE ALL CONTROLLED BY THEIR OWNERS.
The last one that didn't behave was named JFK. Reagan thought he was prez for a while until Bush tried to take him out, then HE smartly decided to play ball.
As always, this shit ain't that hard.
Sarcasm with swearing NA,
I've been around long enough to know these fucking imbecile puppets bear no resemblance to the true masters.
Relax and ridicule mate, these fuckers know we know what they are, they are just playing for time at this point.
Smile and wave boys, smile and wave.
;-)
Can't wait. Maybe he can do a victory lap for causing businesses to cut back hours on workers to not be subject to Obamacare. Then they turn around and hire new part time workers for 10-20 hrs a week. Voila: creating jobs.
Maybe he 'splain to the wage slave why they have to juggle 3 part time jobs (with all that expensive commuting) just to make it. Starting to see why people are fat? That's a lot of time spend commuting to nothing jobs.
Late as usual
What a circus. He should get up there and say that ObamaCare was a first class clusterfuck, and we are going to abandon it before it eats our souls. What he will say is that it is sweetness and light, and represents all things good and decent in this world, and we should chisel his visage into Mount Rushmore for this gift of brilliance alone.
America, prepare to be donkey-punched.
Looks like they are running late... figures
Did he just say that we have to decide whether we want 100% FREEDOM or 100% SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!
Fuck you, barack obama.
BTW - for you NSA morons, I am posting from an internet cafe
they know, see that drone overhead
Seven minutes late. Looks like he has a firm grip on the door frame in the green room, and his minders can't pry him loose.
He's watching us watch him. Creepy!
Obama listens to your phone calls cause ObamaCares
Nice clown with his hands in his pants....errrr pockets.
He can't even speak without prepared comments... what a idiot.
How come he's not posing with a group of sick children?
They're just not children.
And they're not sick.
They're mutants from the Dulce experiments.
Obama starts speaking at the same time Rush starts, as always.
it would be nice if those two could work out an equal amplitude-opposite phase approach so it would cancel out and we wouldn't have to listen either of their drabble
Why is he talking about middle class families in California? There are only six of those.
Five. One of them moved to Nevada just this morning.
Go away, looser.
All those "FREE" things don't cost anything, somehow the free stuff magically appears out of nowhere.
ObamaCare = Oxymoron
Hey NSA. I'm thinking of typing something. Can you guess what it is?
I wonder if they can guess how many fingers I'm holdings up.
Pick a booger. Any booger between 1 and 9. Now eat it. How many boogers did you eat?
Take an aspirin and call Kathleen Sebalius in the morning.
You were thinking that the President's speech was the bomb. You were wondering how anyone could carry out any kind of character assassination on the President. You were marvelling over his rifle-straight bullet points. You were managing to refrain from shooting off at the mouth about O'bomb-a.
Furthermore, you were wishing to express dismay that anyone would try to send the President a ricin or anthrax letter.
NSA/DHS-----FOAD!
ObamaCare: Caring and serving the shit out of you.
happy milk
Hmmmm,
1) You can go online now and compare insurance and buy plans.
Pretty easy to compare and there is competition.
2) Tell us why premiums for individual plans will increase by 50% or more like 100% for 25 year old males that are healthy.
3) Yes, what happens to cost..... it skyrockets you are a total liar. There is no good news in the individual market.
Obama-care is great for health-care industry.
liar
Free markets and health insurance, NOT.
SOLD!
Keept those 26 (and under) year olds at home, so they stay unemployed, meanwhile keeping the unemployment rate down.
Does it come with snake oil?
Palm oil
HAHAHAHAHAHHA obama says to blame your employer for increased costs,
It's just great in Cali. you f**king menace to society. SHOTUS shit head of the United States...
Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146% - Forbes
"But if it even helps one child................"
Mandating 80% spending on the patient does not prevent that 80% cost component from increasing as compaines that make bandaids and heart valves will still over charge for their products, thus, not reducing the costs to healthcare.
His lips are moving.....must be telling an untruth.
Somebody needs to point out to him that rates for every single private health plan in the United States have increased by at least four times the rate of medical inflation each of the last three years in anticipation of ObamaCare, and that there is no longer any possible way for this approach to save consumers money. Period.
"The evesdropping program is fully overseen by CONgress"...whew, I feel so much better
They would hear me telling Jackie what question to ask me.
WELL, THANKGOD HUSSEIN JUST TOLD ME NO ONE IS LISTENING TO MY PHONE CALLS.
NOW I FEEL RELIEVED, BECAUSE THE GOVT NEVER LIES TO US.
The more he rambles on wrt each topic, the more full of shit you know his is.
Ok, ZHers, ObamaCare is an Obamination. But are you suggesting that pre OC was the ideal health system? If you are, with all due respect, you have a few screws loose.
Nobody says it was, but we would like to make it better not worse.
no--think we all agree that the healthcare system in this country is a mess and has been for many moons. But the 'affordable healthcare' act {like the 'religious right'} can be succinctly described as "neither".
Obamacare isnt about fixing healthcare. The same number of people, around 30 million, will be without coverage post-Ocare as there were before. In the meantime physicians will leave their practices, procedures will no longer be available, wait times will be extraordinary and we'll see a two-tier system: Those who have money will have good care; everyone else, get in line and wait.
That is what the people voted for in 2008 and 2012.
Eventually, they will outlaw the second tier of the system -- it will be essentially illegal to get health care outside of the govt system.
And I still think the John Roberts tortured decision on Obamacare was the biggest set back of many years (even more than the BHO re-election) -- for a variety of reasons. If that decision had gone the other way (the most logical way), things would be notably different. Not sure I can ever forgive Roberts. The precedent he established will be devastating.
"fully overseen by Congress"
Golly Bob howdy if that don't make me feel warm and fuzzy all over.
Pencil-neck douche.
I almost didn't comment because as soon as you post, the drivel starts again and I have to race to hit the pause button.
As to the subject at hand, I really don't have much to say. Other than I would rather tweeze my balls than listen to this fuckwad.
pods
I just ran their plan for my one man business and my health insurance rates went up to $1390.00 a month JUST FOR ME! We are sooooooo screwed.....
Yep, this fat pig is gonna die before it makes it to market.
I am sure they will return all the "taxes" or "fines" "tariffs" or whatever the hell the head of the Nazgul said it really was.
You just cannot even rationally think about any of this anymore.
Just hunker down until the 10 year hits 4% and this will be over with shortly afterwords.
Have plenty of food, water, and weapons, cause 40+ million of EBT clients ripped off the teet are gonna not be happy campers.
pods
Exactly my assessment and plan Pods. There are a lot of unforseen variables on how this will play out regarding state power and the desperate masses, but I'm fairly convinced this plan in the most adaptable and resilient.
I hate these things...never a splat followed by a clap...disappointment sucks!
I have no health insurance and a bad gallbladder. Bullish for Mahoney funeral home.
Whats with those dark coloured hands on the whiteys in the frame with his Excellency?
Looks worried...isn't coming off slick enough...he is rambling
What was it that black preacher (Manning) called back during the election? "Long-legged mack-daddy"
- 12:20 Obama: 'Modest' encroachments on privacy worth it
- 12:19 Obama: Programs help up prevent terrorism
- 12:19 Obama: Came into office w/ skepticism of program
Sells you "change". Complains that once in power he has to "play the game". Ends up no different than the previous guy. Rince, repeat.Cant have saftey, without sacrificing privacy.....obama youre a fascist fuckhead.
So their answer is that we citizens simply have to sacrifice some of our freedom for security.
what a load of Bullshit.
Obama is speaking on Obamacare because as they see it the time is short to get more states to accept Obamacare and the time is late for more Obamacare funding. But its his use of the California health exchange talking points that is so inherently dishonest.
When Covered California—the name for the state’s Obamacare-compatible insurance exchange—released their rates on May 23rd, they used a slieght of hand which Obama is fully aware of.
“The rates submitted to Covered California for the 2014 individual market,” the state said in a press release, “ranged from two percent above to 29 percent below the 2013 average premium for small employer plans in California’s most populous regions.”
That’s the sentence that led to all of the triumphant commentary from the left. “This is a home run for consumers in every region of California,” exulted Peter Lee.
Except that Lee was making a misleading comparison. He was comparing apples—the plans that Californians buy today for themselves in a robust individual market—and oranges—the highly regulated plans that small employers purchase for their workers as a group. The difference is critical.
Obamacare to double individual-market premiums
If you’re a 25 year old male non-smoker, buying insurance for yourself, the cheapest plan on Obamacare’s exchanges is the catastrophic plan, which costs an average of $184 a month. (By “average,” I mean the median monthly premium across California’s 19 insurance rating regions.)
The next cheapest plan, the “bronze” comprehensive plan, costs $205 a month. But in 2013, on eHealthInsurance dot com website , the median cost of the five cheapest plans was only $92.
In other words, for the typical 25-year-old male non-smoking Californian, Obamacare will drive premiums up by between 100 and 123 percent.
Under Obamacare, only people under the age of 30 can participate in the slightly cheaper catastrophic plan. So if you’re 40, your cheapest option is the bronze plan. In California, the median price of a bronze plan for a 40-year-old male non-smoker will be $261.
But on eHealthInsurance, the median cost of the five cheapest plans was $121. That is, Obamacare will increase individual-market premiums by an average of 116 percent.
For both 25-year-olds and 40-year-olds, then, Californians under Obamacare who buy insurance for themselves will see their insurance premiums double.
Link?
Link to something official please, according to what I just heard nothing comes out until october. My brother got money back from his insurance co. That never happened before.
You are quoting from a Forbes article.
Maybe you forget to post the link.
Dear Mother Fucker: You don't get to be the arbiter of a "balance" between security and privacy, the decision was made for you long ago:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,"
Seems definition of "unreasonable" has changed quite a bit.
Think of all the ways your privacy and property can be invaded now, and it's "reasonable" to the average judge.
When courts caved in, that was it for the constitution. It's not upheld in any court anymore.
OT perhaps but check this shit out!
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55749
I don't know what to make of Haggeman. He's been saying the same kind of stuff for a while, and it's always vague and unsubstantiated. I guess we'll find out, but it sounds like he just takes all the conspiracy theories about 0bama and rolls them into a narrative from his "super-secret source." Anyone could make it up. There's not even any details whatsoever in his stories. I don't doubt what he says *could* be true, but it's hardly actionable intelligence.
Somebody make it stop.
incredible hulk
The spine of his responses
Terrorism
National security
Eavesdropping
Privacy issues
Can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs
Grecian Formula 16!
(Uh oh, they're gonna get the leaker.)
Trust me. I do due process personally. We got oversight too.
I have personal interest in protecting my privacy (cause I'm lying all the time so ...)
But these peeps are pros. It's not big brother. We have "balance".
First it was Bush's fault, then he shifted blame to Voter's fault.
Obama nailed it. It is the people we are electing that are allowing these things to happen, while pointing at Congress. Typically, he is not finger pointing at himself, although he shares the blame equally.
Just so you know I think things would have gotten even worse, faster under McCain. Ron Paul wasn't so awesome either but mjay have nixed these intrusions of privacy.
Once the nation knows there is no more privacy we all a nation of liars, harvesting feelings we can never let out.
"it's alll congresses' fault"...
Barrack O"bama
hope - change....
Awefully Good food.
It's simple. As New York's Yenta in Charge says :
“The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown.
“But we live in a complex word where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”
This is for your own good, don't you SEE ?
'Uhhh…Uh…Uhhh….People!' Obama at Total Loss for Words When Staff Forgets His Speech
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/06/07/%E2%80%9Cuhhh%E2%80%A6uh%E2%80%A6uh...
I suppose not approving of this program is probably enough for THEM to go to a federal judge to begin looking at your e-mails and listening to your phone calls?
and a TSA audit, enhanced TSA screening, hell even detention without charges under the 2010 NDAA if you ever read a suspect site (like say, Zerohedgihad?).
ok, sensible question: #1 if employers are holding off on new hiring and holding back on total hiring for the future to cut back on Obamacare costs, is that good for the economy or bad?
Second sensible question: if faked numbers like GDP, inflation and "unemployment" (not labor participation!) are "good" then what incentive does government have (much less a plan) to do something better or reverse course?
I ask that because clearly if employers can't get by without X employee hours but must cut them all back to part-time then you'll have more poor working people and more people refusing to take part in this and use up EBT and unemployment payments from the government, leading to a loss of tax revenues AND a loss of harder-working experienced, THE FINAL end result is that you'll see unemployment numbers go DOWN while business are hurt AND tax revenues go DOWN. And they'll gladly say we've got a second recovery, green shoots and all is well.
In the urologist's examination room yesterday was a notice that the FDA has rescinded it's recommendation that PSA tests be utilized to detect early prostate cancer. The notice also pointed out the same sentiment for mammograms and that doctors should neither continue to train women in self examination. Therefore my understanding is that PSA tests and mammograms are no longer covered under insurance.
When I commented on the notice I cynically asked the doc if he thought big brother has our best interests at heart. He indicated that the policy change on mammograms and PSA tests alone set the medical practice of cancer detection back 20 years.
Butter has been found to be near toast.
If you check for butter, you might find toast.
The discovery of butter does not mean you have toast.
Ben Franklin must be spinning in his grave today.
Im no socialist but can someone explain why a trip to ER should be billed for $11000 by the hospital to insurance ?
My wife had food poisoning due to some bad mayo/condiment at a restaurant. After hours of pain she went to ER.
They gave here 3 tests - blood, urine, CT scan to check appendix - gave her IV fluids, and pain medicines.
Bill - 200 out of pocket 11000 billed to insurance -
I was in India that time - cost in the best private hospital like Appollo group , Jaslok, etc (these are non subsidised hospitals privately run)
- CT scan in India costs as low as 1500 rupees and might go up to 5000 ($30 to $100)
- Saline fluid and IV drips cost between 1000-3000 INR (< $50 )
- Pain medication another $200
- Doctor fees ~ $20-50 x num times visited
total in INR should be about 10000 -> 200-250 USD
Even if you include the cost of high labor, malpractice insurance, etc : these services in US should not exceed $1500 -$2000
How the EFFF is it $11000?
PS: Subsidised government health care this would have cost only $2
This is how they pay the expenses of uninsured ER cases.
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