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Damage Control Time: National Intelligence Releases PRISM "Facts"

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Confirming that the administration is in very hot water over this week's revelations of widespread domestic and global surveillance, moments ago this Saturday afternoon the head of National Intelligence James Clapper released "Facts on the Collection of Intelligence Pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act" in which he says that PRISM is not an undisclosed collection or data mining program. It is an internal government computer system used to facilitate the government’s... collection of foreign intelligence information." In fact, the program is so legit, it doesn't even work to collect foreign data: "We cannot target even foreign persons overseas without a valid foreign intelligence purpose."

Finally, any rumors that Google Glass will be reverting to its original codename "NSA SpyCam" are greatly exaggerated: "Service providers supply information to the Government when they are lawfully required to do so."

In short - please believe him. He is from the government, he is telling the truth, and the government is here to help. As for all those Verizon (and other carrier) all too domestic phone intercepts: don't you worry about that.

 

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Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:15 | 3637887 DoChenRollingBearing
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Liarz!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:17 | 3637890 Precious
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<- Fact

<- Fiction

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:28 | 3637912 Careless Whisper
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Do the sheeple realize that every gov agency and their bosses (that would be the global banksters) are now in possession of all their passwords, to everything?

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:32 | 3637916 Precious
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James Clapper - Portrait View

James Clapper - Profile View

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:39 | 3637928 Wakanda
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That's precious Precious.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:03 | 3637963 sunaJ
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TS security clearances, issued by the government, allow the possessor to legally lie about matters of "national security."  Since this is the case, why would anyone believe anything they have to say merely because they are moving their lips?  You cannot have secrecy, the explicit practice of lying to cover that secrecy, and also enjoy public credibility. It is a twisted culture of information control that they practice.  I remember asking an FBI agent and friend of mine what he thought of the wikileaks files back when wiki broke, and he told me that all agents were explicitly told that they were not allowed to read the wiki files, even though they were out in the public domain.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:10 | 3638054 AlaricBalth
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Section 702 states that the government is not authorized to "intentionally target" a person within the US.

Seems to me the government is using the power of exponentiation to get around the law. How many of you remember "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon"? The theory is, that any two people on Earth are, on average, about six acquaintance links apart. Imagine "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" on steroids as the NSA's massive supercomputers link, by association, everyone globally.

In essence, the government may be targeting Mr. X, and then searching for any and all associations. Once those various associations are identified then the government discovers new associations. And so on and so on...

Eventually through exponentiation the government has "unintentionally" gathered information on practically everyone in the US, although no one was specifically targeted.

9 Mr. X's to the 9th power is over 387 million people.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:15 | 3638461 Ying-Yang
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You just described Facebook

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:27 | 3638644 JohnG
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Then always use "Kevin Bacon" in all posts, emails, etc.?  That should keep them busy :)  Brilliant!!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:42 | 3637936 alphamentalist
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In Japan they pronounce his name...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:36 | 3637923 Bad Attitude
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I'm still trying to figure out why everybody is so surprised by the existence of something called PRISM. I've assumed something like this has been going on for a long time, just evolving with the technology. There have been plenty of hints in the main stream news about this type of capability for many years - reasonably careful domestic terrorists being caught surprisingly quickly, many reports about data mining by private companies, government agencies bragging about their network analysis, that NSA facility being built in Utah, etc.

On the other hand, on the heals of the IRS scandal, putting PRISM type capabilities at the fingertips of a sociopath like Dear Leader and his handlers is truly frightening.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:51 | 3637950 insanelysane
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I think in the back of people's minds they knew this was going on however given Benghazi, IRS, and AP/FoxNews scandals, people are now realizing the possibilities.

Benghazi - absolute lying while saying they admin didn't want to rush to judgement but did rush to judgement with the video story/theme.  Lesson:  Lies.

IRS - Low level employees doing what ever the hell they want with your data, requiring you to give them more data.  You complain all the way to Congress and the Gov Agency lies to everyone about what their rogue employees are doing.  Lesson: Lies but also no recourse against Gov Agencies and their rogue employees.

AP - Justice department criminalizes news gathering while the same time legalizing gun running to Mexican gangs and also creating a concept where CEOs of too big to fail banks are also too big to jail.  Lesson:  Justice is not applied equally and legitimate activities can be criminalized if the government deems them to be regardless of actual law.

Couple these scandals with the fact that the government is collecting every bit of data.  If you run afoul of a political party, government agency, or an individual government employee, you have no recourse.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:18 | 3637996 DoChenRollingBearing
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Justice for us if we commit serious crimes: jail

Justice for the well-connected: no jail for "just us"

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:59 | 3638126 DaddyO
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So if I take this data collection to its logical conclusion then, the Boston Bombings were a fluke? or a deliberate action...

DaddyO

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:41 | 3638222 TuPhat
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A deliberate fluke?  I get ads for Fluke electronics equipment on ZH now.  Should I worry?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 03:52 | 3638676 KrugerrandFan
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LOL! Me too! Every damn page!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:33 | 3638649 JohnG
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Someone within six degrees of Kevin Bacon ??

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:54 | 3637957 Sabibaby
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It's not a surprise but confirmed factual and no longer tinfoil. However, not being tinfoil means little because a lot of Americans don't care much I've come to realize.

What do we do with these people? 

How will these people aid in the nullification of the Bill of Rights and Constitution?

I feel as though I've been called out by these "intelligence people" because they're literally laughing in my face. They've proven me/other tinfoilers correct but at the same time displayed that it doesn't matter that we've been correct because there's nothing we can do about it.

 

I don't see people dumping Google, Apple, Microsoft, or any number of telecom companies selling out US citizens. They've positioned themself to make people dependent upon them and many people will give up the Constitution and Bill of Rights so their cell phone can play Angry Birds. It's sad :(

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:42 | 3638029 RECISION
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We get the government we deserve.

There is no particular merit to our society.

If it dies or collapses - C'est la vie

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:16 | 3638070 mvsjcl
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It's called the monopolization of vital services. The many are owned by the few, which are controlled by the fewer still.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:23 | 3638472 Ying-Yang
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The dominant propaganda systems have appropriated the term "globalization" to refer to the specific version of international economic integration that they favor, which privileges the rights of investors and lenders, those of people being incidental. In accord with this usage, those who favor a different form of international integration, which privileges the rights of human beings, become "anti-globalist."

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:23 | 3638080 Jim in MN
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It's the combination of things that is really bringing the situation to a boil.

I mean, when all this kind of thing was first shoved through post-9/11 it sucked but to some extent maybe there would be some limits.  Like, Iran-Contra sucked but it only went so far and a lot of the principal actors were dolts.  And there were hearings, prosecutions, indictments, resignations, and jail time.

Wow, those were the days huh?  Corollary: It IS Different Now!!!  This is a very important point to consider!!!

Now, the level of corruption is so high that even electing a seemingly radical young community activist does exactly NOTHING to slow it down, it even speeds up.  Goldman thugs lord over us laughing and tinkling their bubbly glasses like Gatsbys (without the class).  The international scene is a toxic stew of US bases, amorality, shifting technology and complete absence of any pretense toward democracy or middle class support in, say, the Middle East or China or anywhere else. 

So the truly deluded, psychopathic polices of the bipartisan elites have embrittled the US both at home and abroad.

Now, the combination of corruption, amorality and intrusive police state powers can only increase terrorism, both domestic and foreign, through the progressive and now nearly fatal delegitimization of the government. 

By not understanding systems analysis or the evolution of technology, or basic values that have guided our Republic for centuries (warts and all), these goons are putting all of our children at greater risk. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:26 | 3638180 Baldrick
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Which brings up the question... are any of the pedos at the NSA keeping any of the tweenies sexting pics?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 05:47 | 3638711 Ian56
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Yep. 

 

The real purpose of the NSA's mass data collection is blackmail against political enemies. 

It has nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism. 

After all it did nothing to help stop the Boston bombing despite lots of evidence the elder brother posed a substantive risk. 

 

The NSA mass surveillance spying scandal.

The story so far. 

http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/verizon-revelations-tom-clements.html

Lots of info and links to articles.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:15 | 3637891 fonzannoon
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ssshhhh the belmont starts soon.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:17 | 3637892 Wakanda
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Laugh My Fat Ass Off!

Limited hangout FiSHeS.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:24 | 3637903 One And Only
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Not surprised it's about as short as Bernanke's (or was it Paulson's - having trouble remembering all the ridiculousness) request to Congress for a trillion dollars.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:23 | 3637904 imapopulistnow
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1) The IRS scandal and labeling a reporter as a criminal conspirator, has removed any facade of "trust us we are your government".

2 Those same "low information" voters who re-eected Obama may now be his downfall.  They will believe the government listens in on every call they make.  Their Obamaphones are bugged!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:52 | 3637954 insanelysane
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Harry Reid had Mitt's tax returns and used them against him.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:24 | 3637906 AssFire
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Third world countries too poor to invade citizen's rights looking better all the time.

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:25 | 3637909 One And Only
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Forward citizen.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:38 | 3638651 JohnG
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I wonder if Kevin Bacon has ever visited Bolivia.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:24 | 3637907 I am Jobe
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I see Unicorns and hear Tim Leary. is that you Timothy Leary?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:15 | 3638161 TheMerryPrankster
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Timothy Leary is dead, per the Moody Blues...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:27 | 3637908 newworldorder
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This is the fault of the Congress of the United States. As usual and as with other legislation, -  they passed it without knowing what was in it or how it would be implemented. Worst yet, every year since its passage, they voted to fund its operation. The Congress does not have any deniaibility it this matter.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:31 | 3637915 One And Only
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The first three letters of the Constitution read: WE THE PEOPLE (emphasis not mine)

None of this is Obama's fault, or that of the Congress, or that of the Senate. It is the fault of the citizens for being willfully ignorant and enabling of such behavior. The constitution provided clear and unabashed protections of liberty of which it is was the sole responsibility of the citizens to protect - which they have not done; not by voting or any other means.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:03 | 3637974 Sabibaby
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Keep kissing the elites ass and see how far it gets you. On the other hand, maybe your cute and STD free so maybe it will.

 

Long knee pads.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:44 | 3638403 One And Only
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Long grammar?

When insulting one, one should know the difference between 'your' and 'you're'

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:46 | 3638568 TheFourthStooge-ing
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When diverting blame and diluting responsibility, one should know better than to blame everyone.

Next you'll be telling us that PRISM is the fault of US 'american' citizenism.

End the cheap propaganda.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:12 | 3637988 Poor Grogman
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Because voting for the other team changes everything...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:13 | 3638158 TheMerryPrankster
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Please don't disturb the propaganda it creates unrest in the other inmates....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:41 | 3637934 phoolish
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<<Worst yet, every year since its passage, they voted to fund its operation.>>

 

 

AND EXPAND IT.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:29 | 3637914 jmcadg
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UK news is admitting UK intelligence doing US dirty work and vica versa.

Got to get round the legal side somehow!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:27 | 3638087 Divine Wind
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DING DING DING We Have A Winner!

 

I was wondering when this would be mentioned.

There are many other countries involved besides the US and UK and the activities have been going for many years.

Here are some of the facilities. There are many others:

Geraldton, Western Australia
Pine Gap, Northern Territory, Australia
GCSB Waihopai, NZ
GCSB Tangimoana, NZ
Menwith Hill, Yorkshire, U.K.
GCHQ Bude,Cornwall, U.K.
Misawa Air Base, Japan
Sugar Grove, WV
Yakima Training Center, WA
CFS Leitrim, Ontario, Canada

So when they say WE have not been spying on our own citizens, it is for the most part true. Foreign partners do it for them.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:36 | 3637924 Payne
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All the collaborators had a choice, Verizon, ATT, Facebook they could all have brought this to the public.  They did not.  Why would anyone be stupid enough to trust them now ?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:43 | 3637938 phoolish
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Owebami voted for retroactive telecom immunity as one of his last acts as a Senator in '08.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:54 | 3637958 insanelysane
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Don't blame these corporations.  You can either play or your requests to the FCC or other licensing agencies will have issues.  See Tea Party groups trying to apply for a legal non profit designation.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:54 | 3638046 RECISION
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If you wont play nice with Big Brother, he'll go Mega-upload on your arse.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:19 | 3638165 Ident 7777 economy
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Yeah ... just ask Kim Dot Com huh ...

 

First they came for offshore bank accounts

 

Then they came for offshore webhosting and file hosting 

 

Then I found I was SOL when it came to hosting an anonymous website to voice my complaints against -er- -um- I just had a "knock at the door" ... I see Suburbans with dark window tinting in the driveway and the street ...  

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:02 | 3638055 Urban Redneck
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If they want the privileges and immunities of personhood then corporations should be expected to demonstrate the values and morals expected of persons who are members of civil society, and be ostracized when they fail to.

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:36 | 3637925 spinone
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I feel better now

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:39 | 3637929 phoolish
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<<Service providers supply information to the Government when they are lawfully required to do so.>>

 

These fascists wouldn't understand reasonable cause if it bit them in the ass.

You can't collect data on millions of people for any reason under any standard of reasonable cause.

Period.

Oh wait, I guess I'll trust the FISA Court to watch out for me.

See you in the FEMA Camps.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:41 | 3637935 nmewn
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Clapper...lol...what a tool.

Its world wide baby...

"The newspaper said the Prism programme appeared to allow the Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) to circumvent the formal legal process required to obtain personal material, such as emails, photographs and videos, from internet companies based outside the UK."

Then this pearl...

"Richard Aldrich, a professor of international security at the University of Warwick, said he expected Mr Cameron to say "rather as President Obama has said, that you can't have your cake and eat it - you can't have 100% privacy and 100% security".

"What they're not going to say is, actually, we're very rapidly accelerating to a point where we're going to be in a transparent society," he told Today.

"Privacy is effectively a 20th century concept like the steam engine."

Really? Our privacy or public officials privacy?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22827368

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:45 | 3637943 phoolish
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OK.  How'd they m=iss the Boston Bombers?

Not one more $ of funding until they answer how they missed them AND still need to spy on everyone else.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:57 | 3637962 insanelysane
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The conspiracy theorists would say they didn't miss the Boston Bombers.  They say that the government let it happen.  The people wanted sequestration.  See how good it is without the government protecting you.

 

For the record, I think it was missed cause the government employees are focused on porn instead of security.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 03:35 | 3638671 WillyGroper
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What we do know, is that at one time Prince Chulles wished to be a tampon.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:42 | 3637937 ekm
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If it weren't for Benghazi coverup, we wouldn't have know all this.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:20 | 3638000 seek
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Yes, if they had to light this many back fires, this large... then Benghazi must be quite the shit show when it's unwrapped.

My guess now is that it's something big enough to take out both the Prez and the former SoS from politics permanently; I thought it was just Panetta being a doofus when the boss was away, but there's no way that would elicit this level of distraction.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:48 | 3637944 phoolish
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""authorized collection of 

foreign intelligence information""
Apparently we are foreigners in our own land.
Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:24 | 3638006 seek
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Close -- we're enemies. Remember it was the trading with the enemy act of 1917 that was revised to place citizens of the US into the role of enemies and enabled the gold confiscation and other travesties of 1933.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:51 | 3637951 jonjon831983
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If you believe nothing you say is safe then no excuses if you're using any electronic comm. devices/services.

So, if it's been going on since 2007 ... <insert opinion> ???

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:00 | 3637966 notadouche
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Can anyone tell me if Doctor/Patient confidentiality has been rescinded.  I ask this due to the fact that while filling a prescription this past week a major pharmacy chain "demanded" the medical reasons for the prescriptions being written.  First time that has ever happened to me.  Pharmacist claimed they wanted to make sure the neurologist was making a mistake.  The more I think about it the more it starts pissing me off.  Was made clear they had the right to refuse filing script if I didn't cooperate.  

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:15 | 3638025 A Lunatic
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I went to the doctor for the first time in a year and my experience is as follows. Stepped up to the counter and the receptionist says "can you look over here please" and before I know it my picture had been taken without my permission. Upon being ushered into the exam room a nurse with a computer was reading and repeating verbatim my over the phone complaint from two weeks before. That issue had resolved itself because it took two fucking weeks to get an appointment, this in a rural area of some 1500 people with three doctors serving at the clinic. My doctor arrived next, also with a computer upon which he types every damned thing I say, along with his interpretation of my complaints along with whatever recommendations/concerns he may have had. My prescription was cataloged, sent to pharmacist and I was off to the pay desk, where I have always paid in full, same day of service, with cash. It took them twenty additional fucking minutes to figure out how to make a cash transaction with the new system. I suppose I am now locked into the system and red flagged as an extremist. As for doctor patient confidentiality goes, it no longer exists........

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:01 | 3637970 Yen Cross
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    Clap on-clap off, the Clapper...  I rewatched a clip from Clappers congressional testimony, and he's so nervous that he looks like a f**king steam whistle ready to blow. (Lying like a rug)

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:10 | 3637984 JR
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Oliver Wendel Holmes might have suggested what is wrong with the morass America finds herself in with the lies and the rising police power against a free people. Perhaps he would have called it sin as relates to his famous quote: “Sin has many tools, but a lie is the handle that fits them all.”

Our watch dog media (how long has it been since it watched out for us?) would quickly label “sin” a religious relic, a term to be used only inside the walls of a church. But for people of faith, sin is an important part of their understanding of a creation that God put together based on natural law, and that forces contrary to these natural laws end up with undesirable consequences.

Wise men have maintained that deviating from this pattern of “God’s laws” means man’s laws are subject to the constant changes of bias, tyranny and, with our current example, lies. In short, government has no anchor when society’s leaders become corrupt, when the strongest forces in society meld the laws to fit their needs and ignore the previously agreed upon law (the Constitution).

Tyrants and oppressors, of course, move first to separate man from his Creator. For ignorance is his bondage. 

Americans long have been separated from their Christian roots of limited government and liberty which were grafted during the 20th century onto a secular Jewish culture, into the neo-con ideal of a “Universal Nation.” It is the charges of anti-Semitism against defense of these Christian roots that has enabled these principles to atrophy and even be banned from schools, media, and government – not only in domestic policy but in foreign policy as well.

America’s foreign policy now moves in sync with Israel’s foreign policy which has led to wars and propaganda targeting the Jewish key enemy: Islam. Now, with the Federal Reserve Act drafted by Kuhn, Loeb Banker Paul Warburg providing almost unlimited transfer of America’s resources to the sole use of a central bank with all key owners Jewish, the believers in those Christian founding principles fear for the future of the nation.

America, no longer a sentinel of freedom and human rights, has become a symbol of 21st century slavery and bondage not only to her own people but to all peoples of the world, her American “exceptionalism” no longer exemplifying the Biblical image of a shining “city on a hill” employed by John Winthrop in “A Model of Christian Charity,” the lay sermon he composed in 1630 on his way to New England, but a lawless one of terror.

Grand Ayatollah Javadi-e Amoli, considered by many to be Shi’a Islam’s greatest living theologian and philosopher, explains in this excerpt from “Man, Freedom, Slavery, and Law”:

“For is slavery other than having the power to kill at will whomsoever one wishes, to take whomsoever’s property at will, and to blow up and destroy any part of a country willy-nilly? Is slavery anything other than this?

“After the (Second World) war, what befell Iran at the hands of the West was indeed aught but slavery. They dethroned Reza Khan and enthroned his son in his stead. From the August of 1941, the Allied forces entered Iran (which had declared its neutrality), under the pretext of wanting to help. Soviet Russia occupied the north of the country while Britain and the United States occupied the west and south. Their presence was ostensibly to ‘secure’ the country and was supposedly on peaceful and friendly terms, but they looted the treasury and stole our natural resources. The north of the country was in the hands of the Soviets and travel to and from the north from Tehran required a passport just as if it were another country one was entering, and a day came to pass that an ultimatum was given to the government to surrender seventeen cities to the Soviets.

“And the worthless rulers of the day capitulated and the Soviets annexed 17 cities from their home country and ran off with them! Was this anything other than taking these 17 cities as their slaves? Was it anything other than treating Iran as their slave?

“In the present day, they intimidate these newly independent ex-Soviet states (which had been annexed from Iran) and question them as to why they have entered agreements with Iran! “When they order a country to dissolve its agreements with Iran under the pretext of nuclear weapons, the meaning of this is that agreements and treaties between nations can only take place under the auspices and with the approval of the New American Order.

“This is nothing but slavery under a new guise. The conquest and occupation of Palestine by the Zionist usurper-state Israel is a patent example of 20th and 21st century slavery.”

Ye shall know them by their fruits. -- Matthew 7:16

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:14 | 3637993 A Lunatic
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This lie is the truth, honest..........

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:07 | 3638145 TheMerryPrankster
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This time is really different. I really mean it. I won't come in your mouth. check is in the mail. I never had sex with that woman.

PRISM is not data mining, its outright surviellance. You can't spell prison without PRISM, don't you love how they pick codewords. Like the PRISM or the Patriot act.

Operation Enduring Freedom.....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:30 | 3638013 22winmag
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Last week it was everything-gate. Now it's twilight zone-gate.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:37 | 3638017 surf0766
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When will Americans say enough to the communist / socialist / progressive /  NWO

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:44 | 3638030 q99x2
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Arrest James Clapper Trapper for violating the Constitution of the United States of America and acts of treason.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:51 | 3638041 A Lunatic
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Magic 8 Ball said ROFL!! and spontaneously combusted..............

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:12 | 3638064 Urban Redneck
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No cover letter, no signature, no thesis, JUST BULLSHIT.

Bullet points are not an argument.

The scope, completeness, and applicability of which is subject to endless debate.

 

Here's an argument- James Clapper should be place before a public firing squad and exculted for one of three crimes- high treason, conspiracy to violate the civil and human rights of Americans, or gross incompetance and negligence which endangers the State.

The English language is not too difficult to develop faculty of (ending sentences with prepositions is a matter of personal taste).

"PRISM is not an ... or data mining program"  Then perhaps this walking disease of a DNI would like to explain what he thinks a data mining program is, and why PRISM is not a data mining program.  Since he was commissioned in 1963 and was a singals intercept officer in the military, if he cannot or will not provide a clear and concise answer answer to this question, then perhaps the US taxpayers should demand a clawback of 40 years of salary and pension accruals.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:36 | 3638099 Divine Wind
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Watch for the name In-Q-Tel.

This is the venture capital arm of the CIA.

They put money into those businesses and ventures with end products and services supporting their missions and operations.

You would be amazed who they have backed.

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:03 | 3638132 TheMerryPrankster
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WB is william Binney ex NSA who left the NSA because of the spying on americans.

he had devised a way to  eavesdrop and protect u.s. citizens - the NSA didn't want it, he explains why....

 

There were ways and means that I had showed them how to do it while protecting U.S. citizens. You could do that, and find all the bad guys in the world and not have to violate the constitutional rights of everybody.

LI: So why didn’t they follow your advice?

WB: Well, because they wanted to have leverage on everybody in the country, okay? That’s what Cheney wanted to do. I’m sure that was the issue. Do you want to know who’s in the tea party, and then tell the IRS who to target? Or things like that. Those are all possible things using these programs.

LI: With the Verizon leak this week, do you think that’s an isolated event, or indicative of a whole lot more?

WB: That court order was 13-80. The 80th order of just this year. It’s been going on a long time.

LI: The second leak this week was about PRISM, where the NSA appears to tap directly into Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, and other companies’ servers to access whatever data they want without a warrant. What is your knowledge of, or thoughts regarding, this program?

WB: I just saw the report, and I wasn’t aware of that program. But I figured it was going on, because they were just another source of input of information. The telecoms were giving NSA access to their communication lines. The Narus devices that the NSA put in different rooms around the AT&T fiber-optic network, or Verizon’s network, couldn’t collect everything. They could get most of it, but they couldn’t get it all. So in order to get all the data, they had to go to the service providers to fill in the blanks. That’s what the PRISM program is for—to fill in the blanks. It also gives the FBI basis for introducing evidence into court.

LI: A couple of these companies have come out and said that they don’t provide this data to the NSA. Do you suspect that they are lying?

WB: Oh, yeah. Obviously. Absolutely.

LI: How much data do you estimate will be able to be stored at the NSA facility in Utah?

WB: I simply took what was commercially available off of cleversafe.com, which is 10 exabytes in 200 square feet. Then I divided 200 square feet into the 100,000 square feet of storage that will be at the facility. Then you get 5,000 exabytes stored in that area. That’s five zetabytes. What that means is around 500 years of the world’s communications, if they used all the space for that purpose. I figure they wouldn’t have to do more than 100 years, and the rest of it they can use with parallel processors to try to break codes.

LI: Speaking of the average American citizen, how much data would you estimate the government has collected on them, and what type of information?

WB: It’s everything—phones, emails, twitter, any kind of digital communications that they’ve had. I think it’s into banking as well, but I don’t know that for sure. I do believe they’re doing it. My estimate is that there’s a little over 280 million Americans in the database, several times because one person can have a work phone, home phone, mobile phone, online banking, multiple email addresses. 280 million people are in there at least, and the ones that aren’t are babies in cribs, people in hospice, others not doing anything electronic. Each person is in there between several hundred and several thousand times. It’s aggregated data over a now 12 year period.

LI: Now that they’ve been challenged, federal officials are claiming that this massive data collection has thwarted a terrorist attack. Assuming that’s even true (not that they have much credibility right now), do you believe that preventing attacks is a justifiable reason to conduct this massive surveillance?

WB: No. You see, I left the government with a way to do it without violating the privacy of U.S. citizens. They chose not to do that. That was a conscious choice that they made.

LI: Lawsuits made against the government to obtain information regarding the surveillance of American citizens have often been tossed out because of the government’s “national security” or “state’s secret” claims. Do you think there is a valid need for the NSA to be so secretive, or do you think these roadblocks are merely to cover up their illegal activity?

WB: The roadblocks are to cover up their illegal activity. They didn’t have to do any of this because of the technologies I left them with. There were things they could have done that would have eliminated any need to spy on everybody in the country. They chose not to, and chose to collect all the data. Now they have the expense of transporting the data from where it was collected to where it has to be stored. Eventually they had to build more storage, like they are at the facility in Utah. They’re not making any decisions as to what is good data and bad data—they don’t know, so they have to store it all in the hopes of retroactively going back and analyzing it sometime in the future to figure out what’s important.

LI: Have you ever been asked to testify before Congress?

WB: No, but I’ve sure been itching to do it.

LI: If you were asked to testify before Congress and give a statement, what message would you deliver?

WB: The intelligence community is feeding you a line of babble, and since you have no capacity to figure out what is right or wrong or mediocre in any of it, you simply take them at their word and that’s the wrong thing to do.

Congress does not want me testifying. If I do testify, they can no longer claim plausible deniability. That’s one of the reasons we’re not down there, all the whistleblowers.

 

 

500 years of the entire worlds communication available - can you see where they are going? This ain't about terrorism, its about tyranny.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 09:44 | 3638885 Fishthatlived
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Nice of 'ol WB to throw Cheney's name in there. This is just too predictable.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:32 | 3639546 JR
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 With the revelations from Greenwald and PRISM perhaps Binney will get the national audience he deserves - and encourage others to step forward to turn the tables on the tyrants.  And even now, the tyrants are beginning to strike back…as we learn in a breaking story today that The Guardian is revealing the identity of the NSA whistleblower on its top secret documents as Edward Snowden at his request.

Guardian editors said: “Snowden will go down in history as one of America’s most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world’s most secretive organizations – the NSA.”

From your source, Libertas Institute, here is the price Binney so far has paid: 

LI: What actions has the government taken as a result of your whistle-blowing activities?

WB: They blackballed us for no work, they raided our homes, they tried to frame us three different times on charges. The fortunate part was that I found data that showed evidence of malicious prosecution, so they backed off all of that. If they hadn’t, they would have been Frightening stuff; plus a thousand for bringing it to Zero Hedge. With the revelations from Grennwald and PRISM perhaps Binney will get the national audience he deserves. And encourage others to step forward to turn the tables on the tyrants.exposed in court

http://libertasutah.org/interview/nsa-whistleblower-speaks-out-on-verizon-prism-and-the-utah-data-center/#more-1663

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:07 | 3638142 HalinCA
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But concede, if you will, that without using profiling, the next best choice is massive data collections to allow 'back chaining' from known suspects to hidden cell members is an effective way to find the bad guys ... BUT WHEN WILL THE UN-NEEDED DATA BE DESTROYED?

 

If they know all my cell phone calls, and internet websites, ... but it all gets destroyed on a rolling six month basis when it doesn not show up in a back-chain, I can live with that.

 

Since the 1920s, all customer rep telephone company employees have had access to exactly the same data that VERIZON et al gives the NSA now.  

 

So how much worse than that is this?

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:15 | 3638163 loonyleft
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the really sad part is that, IMHO, this is not all coming out in order to help the public, but bring it all out now, so that it fades quickly from their memory.

Most will read the governnments protests of innocence and buy into because believing anything else is too uncomfortable.

And oh yeah, Building 7 just fell down, because some stuff from another building hit it and there was a fire somewhere, then it all just kinda fell down, real fast like.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:42 | 3638224 ramacers
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PRISM is the worse. insidious. bodies need to hang for this!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 07:48 | 3638776 lindaamick
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Step back a minute and consider that the people in ANY organization are representative of the populace at large.  That means that government representatives, NSA employees, IRS employees etc etc are comprised of honest folk and crooks and everything in between.

That being said, when powers of any group become too great, repression is the outcome. 

The US people have failed to hold their "public servants" accountable.  The people elect them and PAY them.  The people will have to overthrow them in order to get change. The people will have to get involved even if only on their local level to route out the crooks and dimish the governmental powers.  There is no other solution.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:08 | 3638920 LongOfTooth
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For what it's worth the MF'er is lying.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:19 | 3638934 Jim B
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I feel so much safer living in a police state!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:08 | 3639145 headless blogger
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As bad as this is, it is not anything new. I find it strange (not) that the Mainstream media is talking 24/7 about this, as well as the IRS and Benghazi scandals. But mostly the spying scandal. This was well known back in Bush's day, and was going on to some extent years before that. So the question is: why all the sudden are they paying attention to it? One of the top operatives, Glenn Greenwald, has been talking about this for a long time. He's also big with the ACLU, which like him, is a great Gate Keeper for the Controllers.

My take on all of this is, as bad as Obama is, there is something he drew the line in that sand on with the Controllers. They are pissed to say the least that he isn't doing something they want. God only knows what that "something" is.

The other "benefit" this exposure has, is a total DISTRACTION to the masses. We just witnessed the FBI going into an unarmed man's home and blowing him away. Now THAT should be the story playing 24/7. The Todashev murder has moved the United States into a new paradigm. Most people have missed this. Before they were openly doing this overseas. The American public didn't care....Well, now it has moved onto American soil. This is total Fascism.

I don't like Obama. Idon't like Bush. I don't like either Clinton. I don't like 90% of Congress. BUT I highly doubt Obama has much power over any of these criminal acts he and his admin are involved in. Now the Oligarchs, Controllers, or whatever you want to call them, have moved us into a new phase. They attacked our people in Boston, pinned it on typical patsies, and have gone on a short murdering spree to clean up the loose ends. (Two of the FBI agents present at Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's arrest at the boat, were killed from "falling out of a helicopter" 12 miles off the coast of VA in a training exercise). 

I was surprised to see most ZHers fall for this.

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