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Guest Post: Employment - The Macro Trends

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Submitted by Lance Roberts of Street Talk Live blog,

 

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Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:09 | 3637655 Frastric
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If this market is 'oversold' then I hate to see what overbought would be!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:17 | 3637667 TeamDepends
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Government will create all the jobs we will ever need.  Obama just needs more time (third term).

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:33 | 3637682 Theta_Burn
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The Gov and O have bigger problems soon...

And I'm shocked...SHOCKED that it hasn't been presented here recently

We are about 140Bil from 17trillion on the national dept..

I think attention spans are going to get a whole lot longer this fall...and it won't be just the plebs, in fact fuck the plebs, it will be the rest of the world telling us to fuck off...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:36 | 3637692 ZerOhead
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They are going to need a shitload of new hires to go through all of that data they are downloading on all the citizens of the world.

Unfortunately Americans can't be trusted so they will likely contract it out to the same Israeli firms that are currently collecting it... who will no doubt hire at least 1 million Indians to search through it to find the 'pearls'...

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:39 | 3637827 sethstorm
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No, that's the exact sentiment of the private sector.  US CItizens have too much freedom in their eyes.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:07 | 3637878 JohnG
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It's a bit surreal for me reading the articles and digging around for information on the NSA wiretapping scandals.  I'm almost to the point of being afraid to use the internet at all.  Or leave home at all.  I really don't feel that I'm Being paranoid at all by Feeling paranoid.  It's just a wierd felling for me.

And I'm a computer scientist.  I teach this stuff too (occasionally in my advanced age I'll teach a class...).  And I've loved the internet ever since it was ArpaNet.

Strange how things change.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:55 | 3637717 francis_sawyer
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Who fucking wants a job when cheesepopes run the printing presses... If you're working, you're working for THEM because they've conveniently set themselves up to skim your labor...

~~~

Only sychophants don't understand this...

The world is going to shit right now because people innately understand this [& are thus dissuaded from having the motivation to work]... Yet the 'Pavlovian' response which they have been conditioned with prevents them from understanding this on a conscious level...

It's like the 'Good Will Hunting' [NSA] scene... There are a lot of WICKIT SMAHT people out there [like Will Hunting]... But who the hell wants to work for cheesepopes [or, NSA, in the example] once you've figured out what it's all about...

I'd rather grow crops...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:28 | 3637808 TeamDepends
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Uh, if people can't trust not only the executive branch, uh, but also don't trust congress, uh, and don't trust federal judges to make sure we're, uh, abiding by the constitution, due process and the rule of law then we're going to have some problems here.

Barry Hussein Sotorobamadinga  6/7/2013

If this doesn't make you tear up then maybe you are not a patriotic American?


Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:37 | 3637823 sethstorm
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Since the private sector hasn't been friendly with those seeking employment(by doing everything hostile including temp labor usage), why not work for an employer that offers what the private sector won't?  That, and it's not as if you automatically lose your conscience for doing so. 

 

Maybe when the private sector doesnt have an fixation on treating their non-business-owning participants with contempt, you would have a good point.  Until then, the public sector is not out of consideration for paying the bills that come throughout life.

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:51 | 3637849 Theta_Burn
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I'm small private sector (construction) and having to deal with the incessant fucking whining, personal problems, and mistakes, I'd say you have it backwards, at least from my perspective. but for every ten guys you do find 1 worthy and worth all of the above.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:45 | 3638234 Colonel Walter ...
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Exactly, and the problem is a large percentage in construction decide not to actually employ anyone. Just call them independent contractors, 1099 them and then you can eliminate most of those headaches. It may be technically illegal to miss-classify them, but the government, at least in my area, seems to care less. I'd have to say that 50% or more of the work is being performed in such a manner and the trade workers trying to play by the rules are suffering immensely.    

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:21 | 3639035 sethstorm
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A lot of it would go away if they weren't treated with general contempt; such removal would have to come from a complete inability for your kind to use the "1099/temp/contractor" benefit dodge.

You are not the Almighty just because you are a business owner, stop thinking that you are(never mind thinking that a small business imparts you any special status).

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:26 | 3637805 sethstorm
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However, in order to keep costs minimized businesses have resorted to temporary hires rather than full-time employment which incurs additional costs of benefits and health care. The expectation is that temporary workers will eventually become full-time employees, however, with the impending effects of higher health care costs due to the Affordable Care Act - temporary hires may be the new normal

Then make temporary work cost as much as full-time work.  If business wants to play European hardball against workers, there are options to moot reclassification.

 

The first piece would be to acknowledge temporary/staff/consulting/part-time work hires as (employer-formed) labor unions and subject them to a federal version of the Right-to-Work law.  This would take away the incentive to use them as benefit dodging entities as nobody would choose a lesser classification than they desired.  Businesses would have to compete against the default full-benefit, high-security classification.

The next part would be to give the unemployed and new entrants protected status.  It would be attained at the minimum working age, and only lost after 10 years of continuous direct-hire employment in a full-benefit/full-time/non-temporary capacity with one employer.  Such status would reinstate upon losing employment and/or becoming ineligible for unemployment insurance.  This piece ensures the failure of any traditional business response to ironclad regulations(which is to not hire).

 

Finally, blunt the forces of jurisdictional arbitrage by ending all guest worker programs (and anything capable of such) and penalizing offshoring.  This would be the hardest piece to enact but the one that is most necessary - as it would remove the pool of less-than-free-but-legal labor used by business.

 

While none of these are easy, they would go a long way to ensuring that the US can preserve First World levels of protection while preventing a European(or Third World) reaction.  The country, the legitimate/law-abiding citizens within, and the way of life that the US has enjoyed are too valuable to be subject to intentional destruction from within.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:39 | 3639450 GreatUncle
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If you take out the population growth you will find that the level of unemployment correlates to the efficiency of the system. The more efficient the system becomes the less full time workers you will need. Being a % and not an absolute value it is even pointless killing half your population because the same percentage will remain just in case big government contemplates it. This time round the debt after so long, being so big with very little money to spend they resort to CTRL-P to try and hold it all together. THINK THAT ABOUT SUMS UP WHERE WE ARE.

Well the effciency rate is way to high for the current economic system to survive for long and all QE does is just add a % of a number into the system. It DOES NOT REDUCE THE LONG TERM EFFICIENCY RATE making the current economic system sustainable because that would means reversing all technological advances. If anything the current situation is pushing for ever higher efficiencies that in a short time will just make things disasterously worse. Their own worst enemy is themselves ...

Not interested in possible solutions neither because by that last point there is none for the current economic mechanism. So game, set and match, efficiency will eventually destroy the current economic situation what we do to pass through this point is a whole different issue.

 

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