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"You Should Use Both" - How America's Internet Companies Are Handing Over Your Data To Uncle Sam

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In the aftermath of the PRISM spying scandal, the first and logical response was an expected one: lie. The president did it, and so did the various companies implicated in the biggest US surveillance scandal ever exposed. To wit:

  • Zuckerberg: "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers."
  • Google CEO Larry Page: "We have not joined any program that would give the US government – or any other government – direct access to our servers."
  • Yahoo: "We do not provide the government with direct access to our servers, systems, or network."

One small problem: they are all lying.

The NYT explains just how the explicit handover of private customer data from Corporate Server X to NSA Server Y takes place.

The companies that negotiated with the government include Google, which owns YouTube; Microsoft, which owns Hotmail and Skype; Yahoo; Facebook; AOL; Apple; and Paltalk, according to one of the people briefed on the discussions. The companies were legally required to share the data under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. People briefed on the discussions spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited by law from discussing the content of FISA requests or even acknowledging their existence.

 

In at least two cases, at Google and Facebook, one of the plans discussed was to build separate, secure portals, like a digital version of the secure physical rooms that have long existed for classified information, in some instances on company servers. Through these online rooms, the government would request data, companies would deposit it and the government would retrieve it, people briefed on the discussions said.

 

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Each of the nine companies said it had no knowledge of a government program providing officials with access to its servers, and drew a bright line between giving the government wholesale access to its servers to collect user data and giving them specific data in response to individual court orders. Each said it did not provide the government with full, indiscriminate access to its servers.

 

The companies said they do, however, comply with individual court orders, including under FISA. The negotiations, and the technical systems for sharing data with the government, fit in that category because they involve access to data under individual FISA requests. And in some cases, the data is transmitted to the government electronically, using a company’s servers.

 

The U.S. government does not have direct access or a ‘back door’ to the information stored in our data centers,” Google’s chief executive, Larry Page, and its chief legal officer, David Drummond, said in a statement on Friday. “We provide user data to governments only in accordance with the law.” Statements from Microsoft, Yahoo, Facebook, Apple, AOL and Paltalk made the same distinction.

 

But instead of adding a back door to their servers, the companies were essentially asked to erect a locked mailbox and give the government the key, people briefed on the negotiations said. Facebook, for instance, built such a system for requesting and sharing the information, they said.

 

The data shared in these ways, the people said, is shared after company lawyers have reviewed the FISA request according to company practice. It is not sent automatically or in bulk, and the government does not have full access to company servers. Instead, they said, it is a more secure and efficient way to hand over the data.

 

Tech companies might have also denied knowledge of the full scope of cooperation with national security officials because employees whose job it is to comply with FISA requests are not allowed to discuss the details even with others at the company, and in some cases have national security clearance, according to both a former senior government official and a lawyer representing a technology company.

And there you have it: backdoors, locked (and not so locked mailboxes), and internal corporate firewalls in which some employees know everything that is going on and are used as a Chinese Wall scapegoat by everyone else who was shocked there is snooping going on here, SHOCKED.

Oh, and if that was not enough, here it is straight from the horse's mouth. Via the Guardian:

The slide, below, details different methods of data collection under the FISA Amendment Act of 2008 (which was renewed in December 2012). It clearly distinguishes Prism, which involves data collection from servers, as distinct from four different programs involving data collection from "fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past".

 

 

Essentially, the slide suggests that the NSA also collects some information under FAA702 from cable intercepts, but that process is distinct from Prism.

 

Analysts are encouraged to use both techniques of data gathering.

"You Should Use Both." You know: just in case only one is insufficient to make a mocker of all personal rights and civil liberties.

 

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Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:00 | 3637331 williambanzai7
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Eric Schmidt: I don't know what Bilderberg is...

Jeffrey Bezos: Neither do I

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:18 | 3637394 TheGardener
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Only rogue states and their unjustly governments need any sort of surveillance on their citizens . Draw a line, any snooping is illegal activity and if .gov does it to you, it is domestic terrorism .

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:32 | 3637421 francis_sawyer
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Snooping & Surveillance is in the DNA of cheesepopes [& therefore, by proxy, a nation whose motto is "One nation, under cheesepopes, divisible, without liberty, but JUST US for cheesepopes"]...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:53 | 3637460 Fukushima Sam
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Something here about the definition of fascism.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:58 | 3637480 jbvtme
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indirect access?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:33 | 3637561 Pinto Currency
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It seems that the point of all these revelations is that people are supposed to be frightened to post their thoughts expressing disatisfaction on the web.

Be afraid.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:38 | 3637582 noless
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This post was self censored.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:59 | 3637629 King_of_simpletons
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No one is anonymous anymore. Try http://pipl.com

Pretty much your entire history is there for everyone to see.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:16 | 3637659 noless
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I know, i experience the void in real life as well.

Most people wouldn't believe if i explained it to them, the ones that would have probably already witnessed it.

My favorite part is that everyone sees a different internet but don't generally seem to realize it, i won't go into the depths of censorship and misdirection, but it's blatantly obvious.

I have no idea how many people will read the text as i entered it, or as they are supposed to see it. And I'm not talking about interpretation in this context.

Edit: The pipl search turned up nothing on me, same as with google. All the others... On my end at least.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:20 | 3637675 imaginalis
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Facebook and Google were probably an intelligence operation made to look like an idea of some nerd. Microsoft probably was too.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:23 | 3637677 ZerOhead
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Now personally I'm not much of an Illuminati conspiracy fan however...

Is it only me who thinks the PRISM symbol just soooo slightly resembles the PYRAMID with the light rays coming out of the top of it on that you find on our FRNs?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbL7X-e2OeBF56idsHlCgyWWPqKKL9o...

Just askin'...

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:43 | 3637704 macholatte
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The Apathy Factor

Anybody who made a remedial effort to do any research at all about the "snooping" could have discovered all this information easily. People don't care. In fact, until the left discovered that they are not immune to the jack boot of their side's tyranny they were silent. The Tyrant's bite the hand that feeds them. It all comes from the corrupt political forces that demand there is no form of "privacy" on the interenet. That there is no "implied expectation of privacy" like with a land line phone call.  How did this happen? It was fabricated so folks like Google could snoop to build a data base to provide effective and targeted advertising. After all, if you had to agree to let them monitor you, they might have to pay you. But the way it is now, you have to "opt-out" which is merely a way of confirming that you exist and are not another algo floating around. What a surprise when .gov got their hands on all this and decided how cool it was.  Has any Senator or Congressman ever produced a piece of legislation that made privacy on the internet possible?

 

It's called CORRUPTION.

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:55 | 3637730 Supernova Born
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Some good news: the Google propaganda movie "The Internship" is bombing at the box office!

Google must wonder if the PRISM news broke at the wrong time.

Aside, Mr. Schmidt looks like an Indiana Jones character. Yup, that one.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:55 | 3637741 James_Cole
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Following the American coverage of this is nauseating. Keep hearing about how it's 'no big deal.' Has history class been verboten in America for the past couple decades?

A lot of this seems to come back to an extreme historical illiteracy. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:22 | 3637797 HulkHogan
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We are now here:

“...out from the door of the farmhouse came a long file of pigs, all walking on their hind legs...out came Napoleon himself, majestically upright, casting haughty glances from side to side, and with his dogs gambolling round him.

He carried a whip in his trotter.

There was a deadly silence. Amazed, terrified, huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside-down. Then there came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when, in spite of everything-in spite of their terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years, of never complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened-they might have uttered some word of protest. But just at that moment, as though at a signal, all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of-

"Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!"

It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse.”

- George Orwell, Animal Farm

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:16 | 3637894 SafelyGraze
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pipl doesn't have *all* the information on you

https://pipl.com/search/?q=barack+soetero

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:20 | 3637900 AldousHuxley
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1) most americans pick animal farm for being the shortest book in the reading list and pictures of animals

2) most opt for the cliff notes instead

3) then just watch 5min cliff notes video on youtube instead

4) believe that it is a weird story about farm animals and questions why do they have to waste time at school on shit like that when they could be watching some celeb on TV

5) few realizes that it was about communism, but eerily describes US "capitalism" today. Their destiny is to become Snowball or sell out and join Napoleon.

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:33 | 3637921 NoDebt
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Google Suggestions:

Google notices you like pressure cookers.  People who were interested in pressure cookers also looked at:

Cordite

Black Powder

Ball Bearings

Thermal Fuses

Pre-Paid Cell Phones

Would you like to browse these items now?

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:00 | 3637965 James_Cole
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5) few realizes that it was about communism, but eerily describes US "capitalism" today. Their destiny is to become Snowball or sell out and join Napoleon.

Few realize it was about communism hopefully because they know better (it was NOT about communism). 

As someone writing disparagingly about American ignorance when you clearly don't know the subject you're referring to you'd do well to go back and re-read Animal Farm and then spend some time reading Orwell's other works, particularly his essays. 

May I suggest starting here:

http://www.george-orwell.org/AntiSemitism_In_Britian/0.html

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:48 | 3637847 AldousHuxley
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Connect the dots, draw your own conclusions

 

Mark Zuckerberg (Jew) (Harvard) (Facebook founder)

Sheryl Sandberg (Jew) (Harvard)  (Facebook COO)

Larry Summers (Jew) (Harvard) Sandberg's mentor, Harvard President, Obama's economic advisor in NEC, loved repealing Glass-Steagall

Barack Obama (Harvard) favored Summers over Volcker

 

Harvard Corporation (surprised?) elected VC James Breyer who sat on board of Facebook

Harvard alum include Microsoft founder Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer

Microsoft was an early investor in Facebook.

 

Harvard takes the trophy back from Stanford corporation.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:45 | 3638109 FreeSlave
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dont forget google's faounders: Larry Page (Jewish) and Sergey Brin (Russian Jewish)

from Wikipedia: Page's mother is Jewish, but he was raised without religion. And Brin was born in Moscow, to Russian Jewish parents.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 04:17 | 3638682 Davalicious
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Two Israeli companies, themselves linked to Mossad, were hired to collect this data for the NSA

http://www.dailypaul.com/288198/israeli-companies-narus-verint-being-use...

Welcome to the Jew World Order

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:42 | 3637711 francis_sawyer
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If you look real close at those separated little pyramid chunks... They're about 2.2% of the total mass...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:24 | 3637905 Zero Point
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Reminds me more of PROMIS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor%27s_Management_Information_System

Team that up with Echelon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

They been doing this shit for decades. My only question is: Why is this now becoming MSM fodder?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:50 | 3637949 AldousHuxley
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because Obama wanted to cut defense budget and media wants more wars to reign in viewers back from independent internet shows.

 

nothing like a major crisis to hook sheep's attention on TV instead of questioning the status quo.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:02 | 3637973 insanelysane
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People are finally realizing that they are the target.  If you disagree with someone in government they will make your life hell and you have no recourse.  There is no justice.  Too big to fail banks with too big to jail banksters.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:10 | 3638063 Ying-Yang
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Fusion Centers and the new Utah Data Center - Does anyone believe any of this will cease?

Play the chess game to its conclusion.

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:27 | 3638088 ljag
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Did u c the top defense guy for Canada talk about Illuminati, aliens and other assorted "conspiracies"? I'd give a link but I don'T know how to use this IPad too well

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:22 | 3639036 Muddy1
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HMMMMMMMMMMM, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

"One small problem: they are all lying."  No, really they're not lying.  They access Google through AOL, and AOL through Yahoo, and ..... indirect access.

GOOD MORNING EFFEN NSA

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:47 | 3637723 noless
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I literally get conflicting information if i use differing devices on my Facebook account. As far as i know only a couple of people have tried to contact me through it for at least a year, if not much longer, my "activity log" or whatever is blank.. Which based on their own faq and statement shouldn't be possible.

I have witnessed specific devices being mid stream targeted(alternate group propaganda targeting(and not just "smart"devices)) to effect key social nodes (people) during the height of the change over, and yet people seem generally unaware that it even happened.

This is why i say I'm fairly certain I'll be tortured, also why people will be compelled or convinced that i am a schizophrenic , like that guy who tried to out his wife in Germany;been in an insane asylum since 2007, put in jail then subsequently committed based on her testimony that he assaulted her, now information has come to light that what he asserted the bank was doing was in fact true...

On Reddit recently, look it up.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:54 | 3637739 noless
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What I'm trying to say is that this goes way beyond censorship, and is already in the stage of targeted social programming and control.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:17 | 3637788 ZerOhead
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Eventually it will be used to remove or isolate undesireable, troublesome or even merely nonconforming elements from society.

Just what till your account unexpectedly creates it's own history... no-one will ever knowingly associate again with someone who accesses kiddy-porn you know...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:33 | 3637917 11b40
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U R on a roll, ZHead. Keep it up.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:33 | 3637920 AldousHuxley
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freemium strategy

 

at first they give it to you for free

then they wait until you develop an addiction

then they exploit your dependency by inserting their own agenda

when sheeps realize that they've been had, they've gotten all they want out of you.

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:51 | 3638118 Jendrzejczyk
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oHHHH SHIT, ADDICTED To zh....and now paranoid (ok, always benn a tad paranoid).

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:28 | 3639059 Muddy1
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I told my spouse that if i don't show up someday she is to contact websites like this one, and others to get the word out, and to notify..., ..., ..., and my brother.

HELLO effen NSA, how do you people sleep at night and live with yourselves?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:56 | 3638655 Kirk2NCC1701
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Note that ZH keeps its server and email FAR away from US jurisdiction? And remember how often Simon Black (ex Army Intelligence) has advised us to do the same?

Now do you ppl finally get the importance of doing everything you can to reclaim your Constitutional Rights To Privacy?

I intend to do my part. Google, Yahoo, MS, Utube... You've sold me out for the last time. And I've been wise to FB since day 1.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:17 | 3643211 mkkby
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Great, smart guy - but you still are caught.  They copy/store every bit that goes thru an internet backbone, or wired/wireless phone network.  They also have every electronic record of credit/debit cards and checks.

With all communications records and all financial records, everyone is in their net.  As facial recognition gets better and better, your whereabouts will be known even more closely.  Notice all those cameras everywhere?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:10 | 3637661 Troll Magnet
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why are people so afraid? don't ya wanna be the first in line when .gov is handing out barcodes on your head? personally, i hate waiting in line.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:32 | 3637813 noless
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i present my hand so that the beasts bloodlust may be temporarily satiated, while the pantheon musters their strength for the final battle.

Let them brand me, as long as the act makes their intentions obvious.

I would hope others would not do the same, and instead solidify understanding with those they care for.

And a shout out to the warriors in turkey. I hope that you find peace, and pray for those who you have lost.

I of course am crazy so just go about your business, everything is fine.
(don't ban me bro)

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:47 | 3638035 I need Another Beer
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Not everyone

 

No Result Found for Barack Obama, Washingto, DC, US

 

 


Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:59 | 3637631 Beam Me Up Scotty
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So Bin Laden won then I guess....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:59 | 3637864 AldousHuxley
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He did browse Facebook for the original usage of "hot or not" to take a break away from world domination ops in Pakistan.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:12 | 3637989 Zero Point
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Ironically. Bin Laden may have used PROMIS as well as our friends in Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw

Inslaw, Inc. is a small, Washington, D.C.-based, information technology company. In the mid-1970s, Inslaw developed for the United States Department of Justice a highly efficient, people-tracking, computer program known as Prosecutor's Management Information System (Promis). Inslaw's principal owners, William Anthony Hamilton and his wife, Nancy Burke Hamilton, later sued the United States Government (acting as principal to the Department of Justice) for not complying with the terms of the Promis contract and for refusing to pay for an enhanced version of Promis once delivered. This allegation of software piracy led to three trials in separate federal courts and two congressional hearings.

During ensuing investigations, the Department of Justice was accused of deliberately attempting to drive Inslaw into Chapter 7 liquidation; and of distributing and selling stolen software for covert intelligence operations of foreign governments such as Canada, Israel, Singapore, Iraq, Egypt, and Jordan; and of becoming directly involved in murder.

Later developments implied that derivative versions of Enhanced Promis sold on the black market may have become the high-tech tools of worldwide terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden and international money launderers and thieves.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:59 | 3638125 Jendrzejczyk
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Never forget Danny. One of the many "suicides" in our American dreamscape.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Casolaro

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:27 | 3638184 Zero Point
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Yeah... When I started reading back through all the Inslaw/Promis/Echelon stuff from 20 years ago, I remembered Danny Casolaro.

Committed suicide with like 12 slashes across each wrist, after explicitly telling friends and family that he was onto something huge, and that if he died it wouldn't be an accident or suicide.

RIP Danny. I guess investigating Big Brother just made you terminally depressed. I know it does me.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:20 | 3643230 mkkby
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"So Bin Laden won then I guess...."

Never in doubt.  However, this misses the big picture -- Bin Laden was a pawn to enable this military industial take over of the US and world.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:43 | 3637591 Supernova Born
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Chilling effect anyone?

But rest assured the politicians in black dresses in the judiciary will protect us from such egregious and blatant violations of law and the Constitution.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:56 | 3637746 nmewn
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Good thing company lawyers are beyond reproach ;-)

"The data shared in these ways, the people said, is shared after >>>company lawyers<<< have reviewed the FISA request according to company practice."

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:34 | 3637690 ejmoosa
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Why do you think the authorities are working overtime to punish kids who eat their pop tarts in the shape of a weapon?  To condition the masses as to what is not acceptable.

 

I, myself, am a Thought Criminal.

At some point those thoughts will become actions.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:47 | 3637719 disabledvet
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I am afraid. Very much so actually...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:57 | 3637732 TheReplacement
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Don't be afraid.  Fight like a brave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMWM8gY6EzU

What you can do:  http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/

Join the lawsuit.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:01 | 3637867 AldousHuxley
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Fight? lawsuit?

 

Why don't you just stop using the damn thing? oh you have attention whoring needs? well then privacy is not your primary concern is it?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:13 | 3638157 The Heart
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"It seems that the point of all these revelations is that people are supposed to be frightened to post their thoughts expressing disatisfaction on the web."

Bingo Pinto!

Fear fear fear and more fear...how are you going to handle it is an every day test for those who live in the land of the free. Comes in the every night church on the mind control TV. Obey!!!!

What is happening is more and more people are seeing the lies and deceptions as big as bold and everywhere people know what is going on. They are not happy as the multitudes grow. No matter what those crazy babylonians do, and if they are crazy enough to fire the first shot, or perpetuate another false flag event, it will not bode well for those who put theses evil shows on. Prolly after the bilduhburger gaggling gathers, some sort of something could come OR, the new orders to make peace world wide to prepare for the really big show that is well beyond mans, or the babylonians control is going to take place. There is going to be a lot more exposure of all this corruption coming soon in these beginnings of the house cleaning processes for a better transparent, and Rule of Law world future. Hedge that!

Live well folks and do all you can in your worldly powers to bring forth the new peace and reconciliation of all sides. It is well known that it takes only one to change a world into a better place. DO IT NOW!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:42 | 3637592 imbrbing
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Bingo, they all used these words, "direct access". Very telling. I work in IT, no one needs "DIRECT access" to gather data.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:59 | 3637865 caconhma
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NSA developed and provide the basic software to both Google and Facebook.

Google, Facebook, and Yahoo are all owned and controlled by zionist interests who always go "overboard".

Any more questions?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:03 | 3637870 AldousHuxley
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key word "direct".

 

as if NSA logs into Facebook database with sys admin login? There is so much low level data they don't even know what to make of it. They need FB analyst to help them interpret machine data. they probably found 1,000,000 references to bin laden, 1,000 fake bin laden photos and profiles, etc.

 

problem today is not lack of information, but too much info.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:45 | 3638232 Ying-Yang
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15 years ago Verint worked on algorithms to sort this data. Servers sifting through servers turning up patterns and parcing data to usuable leads. That was 15 years ago when I was a white hat.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:34 | 3638016 Kirk2NCC1701
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A certain Palo Alto giant whose acronym can be derived from the words 'horing prostitutes' owns not only unbelievably large amounts of the internet backbone, but also acres of blade servers.

I'll bet the Treasury buys their ink too, if he actually have to print hard fiat.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:05 | 3638058 PiltdownMan
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LOL! But true.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:55 | 3639594 theprofromdover
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At least it is polite.

It tells you it is doing a 'system-check' on your laptop (never finds anything wrong, surprisingly)

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:50 | 3637610 knightowl77
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Exactly!.... they all said that the government does not have "direct access"....they could've said the government doesn't have access, but they all qualified the statement.....so the government does have ACCESS, just not directly

 

Asswipes, the whole lot

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:16 | 3637787 Drachma
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I'll go one further. The government has its own servers with their own 'front doors' for all carrier traffic, so no 'direct-access' to other servers necessary.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:16 | 3637995 Parrotile
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IN-Direct rather than direct, so they are just playing with words. They still have the FULL access they require, but they employ one or more proxies. Maybe the IT Hardware Companies (they will have data links to their systems as part of their mantenence / failure management programme), or even "superficially innocent" links via, say A/C or other Infrastructure SCADA, which all share the same network backbone (cables, switches etc.) so are "exposed" to all traffic flows.

Just becasue it's not "supposed" to happen does not mean that things WILL NOT happen.

Interesting "developments" in the UK - seems the Conservative Government was probably very aware of "sharing of data", so they have been just as disingenuous as their US counterparts. Wonder who else might have been "helping out" ?? Time will tell, and it'll be interesting to see just how large an oil-barrel full of worms this'll turn out to be.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:52 | 3638039 RECISION
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I guess we now know why the US Govt got so pissy at Mega-upload.

Kim Dotcom wouldn't give them access to his servers.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:59 | 3637485 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Anyone who has a brain realizes someone is watching on the net. Nothing new. Be careful what you post.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:08 | 3637614 TuesdayBen
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Should anyone track, know, analyze, and store in your individual profile for some potential future use all your communications, contacts, transactions, movements? Your children's?

Should your Gubmint? Why are they?

That it has been and is doing so must be the biggest scandal in this country's history. Name a bigger scandal.

This Gubmint must be audited, scoured clean, pared back, reformed, and made open and accountable.

First step is to remove Obama. He simply must go. Then begin the audit/investigation and go from there. It will take years.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:35 | 3637693 ejmoosa
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And yet we could not even get a glimpse of Obama's real birth certificate or college transcripts.

 

Oh, the irony.....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:41 | 3638022 Kirk2NCC1701
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Agreed. But then we couldn't see Bush's military record either. Remember how it had to be sanitized, etc?

Ironically, I don't remember the idiots who voted for him being terribly upset about that one. You get what you vote for and what you fund.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:53 | 3638257 Ying-Yang
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Obama, Bush.... doesn't matter. It's the Wizard behind the curtain. Forget Dem or Repub think system control.

 

Overload the sytem. How? Bogus intel and lots of it. System constipation DOS permanently.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:41 | 3637932 11b40
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...and who shall select the auditors?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:42 | 3637933 11b40
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Dup

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:06 | 3637877 jbvtme
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colin powell and alexander haig sat on the board of AOL in the early nineties.  there is nothing new.  about being afraid?  fuck them.  the internet is the elite's worst nightmare. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:40 | 3637930 AldousHuxley
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facebook is the new AOL...controlled private internet.

 

colin powell is the black pawn who defended US military from May Lai massacre of entire village in Vietnam and who also gave necons world creditability in invasion of Iraq with weapons of mass destruction.

 

now he is a venture capital partner.

 

He doesn't give a shit about machine gunning children, he certainly doesn't give a shit about government looking at your photos with GPS tags.

 

and the dumb ass blacks wanted him to be the president.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:03 | 3637489 AlaricBalth
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To: Tyler Durden, williambanzai7, TheGardener, francis_sawyer, Fukishima Sam, et al

As defined in the National Defense Authorization Act; Title X, Subtitle D, sub-sections 1021 and 1022:

You each have been designated malcontents and are now considered a threat to National Security of the United States of America.

The Stellar Wind Worldwide HydraSquid Algorithm, facilitated via PRISM intercepts, has detected an anomaly from your respective IP addresses, and hereby orders you to surrender yourself to the nearest law enforcement agency.

A Skynet airborne drone has been dispatched to your MGRS coordinates to ensure compliance with this directive.

Upon your voluntary arrival at LEA, you will then be relocated to separate DHS re-education facilities at multiple undisclosed locations.

This is the only notice you will receive.

Resistance or non-compliance will be met with extreme prejudice.

END OF COMMUNICATION

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:58 | 3637626 francis_sawyer
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I expected as much... It only serves to VALIDATE my longstanding thesis [that others struggle to accept]... TRUTH ~ as it turns out, is a bitch... [which is the very reason for blue & red pills]...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:48 | 3637726 TuesdayBen
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Obama's wet dream.
And Holder's.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:47 | 3638034 Kirk2NCC1701
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Scotty, how are those repairs to the Transporter coming along?

A bunch to beam up. Kirk out.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:11 | 3640327 StychoKiller
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At this point, I'm willing to take a shuttle-craft ride...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:08 | 3639013 jerry_theking_lawler
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I read this and thought this was HaHa funny....then I pondered for a moment. It has all happened in the past and could very well be standard in the near future.

This is so bizarre and unbelievable that if people realized this was the case, they would shit their pants....then 'try' to vote everyone out of office, pronto....but we know this wouldn't happen....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:34 | 3637426 Midasking
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I feel safer that they care enough to watch out for me... or watch me? http://tinyurl.com/n8hmfya

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:52 | 3637447 Widowmaker
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Actually, truth is terrorism to a Fascist.

And Washington DC has nothing but Fascists.

Look at them, dripping in their lies, disinformation, and marginalization of facts with a resounding "it's for your own good."

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:12 | 3637780 PC Load Letter
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Keyword in each statement: DIRECT. If I leave something at my doorstep and someone takes it, did I give them DIRECT access to it? Clever response assholes

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:57 | 3637961 CaptainObvious
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Obombya did the same thing, to wit:  "No one is listening to your phone conversations."

Did anyone have the crust to ask him, "Are you recording our phone conversations?"  Nope. They're real slippery with their lies, these frontman puppets, aren't they?

They are recording everything and saving it in the Utah data center.  So when they record this message, please be sure to forward this to all it concerns:

Fuck you, United States Gubmint.  Fuck you, Obummer.  Fuck you, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, McCain, Christie, Bloomberg, Romney, Rubio.  Fuck you, Democratic National Party.  Fuck you, Repubican National Party.  Fuck you, United Nations.  Fuck you former presidents Bushes.  Fuck you with a shotgun through a closed door, Uncle Joe Biden. Fuck you with a dirty dildo, Bill Clinton, and fuck you with the same dirty dildo, Hitlery Clinton.  Fuck you all.  Fuck you all employees of the IRS, NSA, CIA, FBI, BATF, ONI, and the rest of the alphabet soup.  Fuck you all.  You are all complicit in raping the greatest document ever penned, the Constitution of the United States of America.  You are all complicit in the dismantling of the rights our forefathers set down as guaranteed.  You are all traitors to the nation and betrayers of the solemn oaths you swore to uphold.  Fuck. You.

[/rant]

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:54 | 3637855 JanaUsoFine
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Gardener, 

So what are we to do about it today?  I'm serious, what is the solution right now... and remember, your answer is collected and recorded by the government

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:38 | 3638105 kchrisc
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Need to update that line/cliché, "No honor among thieves," to, "No honor or secrets among thieves."

Rouge criminal thieving and murdering scumbags.

And this just in:

The IRS prepares to enforce Obamacare’s contraception mandate. [on religious institutions.]

On August 1, the one-year “safe harbor” for religious charities objecting to provisions of Obamacare will end. Starting then, these nonprofit employers will be forced to violate their religious beliefs or pay large fines. In charge of collecting the fines will be our recently newsworthy friends at the Internal Revenue Service.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/won-t-turn-out-well_733957.html

Regardless of what your opinions are of contraception, this should just make you want to go check and clean the arsenal.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:32 | 3637395 Pure Evil
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There's a show on the ABC Family cable network called Pretty Little Liars with three rather unattractive chicks that quite literally represents this trio, (Facebook, Google, Yahoo), fairly well.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:38 | 3637430 Skateboarder
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Four chicks dawg. Don't ask how I know this.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:05 | 3637977 CaptainObvious
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Let me guess, the ugliest one is Microsoft, yes?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:46 | 3637451 freewolf7
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They can no longer feign ignorance.
More are becoming aware.
Yes, it was that smart,
and yes, it was that intentional.
Put the dissociative addiction down,
and be with what the fascist partners
have been hypnotizing you to believe.

Flash mobs at your bank Monday.

Oh wait, gotta get the door...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:43 | 3637596 Kayman
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Eric Schmidt: "If you don't have anything to hide, perhaps you shouldn't be doing it."

It takes a heavily polished pair of Jackboots attached to a set of lying lips  to choke those words out of such a pusillanimous scumsucker.

I wonder how many hits you'd get if you google "Eric Schmidt Liar". I'm not going to bother since I already know Google doesn't jiggy-jig search results.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:07 | 3637654 machineh
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Only three hits for "Eric Schmidt coprophagiac" ... but this makes four.

Eat it, Eric. Eat my steaming pile.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:36 | 3637818 Herd Redirectio...
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Google Glass doesn't record people (all the time), people do. /sarcasm

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:56 | 3637859 Ballin D
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This quote is taken out of context. He was not so subtly warning people that internet communications will inevitably be monitered by the govt and ultimately the only way to avoid being watched is to abstain.

Unfortunately most people miss his point and distribute that bit that you pasted above.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:09 | 3637982 Melin
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A friend who enjoys my liberty-loving missives asked once if I was sure to keep them all. No need, I explained.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:05 | 3637770 TahoeBilly2012
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Doesn't this just all make Alex Jones about the most credible guy on earth right now? I mean, come on, i used think "oh he is over the top here..." but has he been?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:15 | 3637785 Ignatius
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These revelations don't make Jones credible.  Nice try, Alex.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:04 | 3637872 robobbob
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These revelations don't make Jones...not a controlled asset.

but dis info agent or not, he's one of the few whos been raising the alarm the entire time the MSM has been flat out lying to the public about this and much, much more.

name a more credible source....other than ZH of course

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:16 | 3637895 freet0pian
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Ryan Dawson, look him up.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:42 | 3637835 THECOMINGDEPRESSION
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The internet will be closed.. VERY SOON: RON PAUL

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:47 | 3638033 WhackoWarner
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GOT a cell phone? Got a newer car with GPS or black box?...got a Smart Meter?

 

Got any kind of sense?  Got any kind of intelligence left?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:07 | 3637335 DaveyJones
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let's all be different together

in the AT&T Chapter of this story our local boy, then heading Qwest, refused to play ball.

He was soon indicted with something called..."insider trading" I think

What is that? .

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:08 | 3637357 tickhound
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I thinks it's called "appropriate oversight."

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:14 | 3637382 Stoploss
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Now it's starting to make sense. They are all involved, using the ISP's to determine who to go after, using the IRS to inflict maximum tyrannical pain on those whom the White House deemed as enemies, (That would be everyone in the country right now).  Then, when a reporter gets too close, deem him an enemy combatant, to try to hide the criminality.

 

Unplug

Tune out

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:38 | 3637696 ejmoosa
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The only surprise to me so far is that people are not disappearing in the middle of the night...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:51 | 3637733 Going Loco
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....yet. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:09 | 3637775 logicalman
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How would you know?

It sure as hell wouldn't get in the mainstream bnews.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:17 | 3639031 jerry_theking_lawler
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kindasorta....

breitbart??

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:16 | 3637533 Rustysilver
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DaveyJones,

What is that?

That is seven years in the slammer; as I recall.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:05 | 3637337 Cognitive Dissonance
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Assume you are always exposed and constantly surveilled. Then you are never in doubt about the state of the surveillance state affairs. By the way the key phrase is "direct access to servers". There are many ways to skin an Internet rabbit.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:07 | 3637353 prains
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In....direct access

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:15 | 3637385 holdbuysell
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Bingo.

The dead giveaway was when Google's Page needed his General Counsel with him for the statement.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/07/google-prism/

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:32 | 3637414 DaveyJones
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“But,” the post concludes, “the level of secrecy around the current legal procedures undermines the freedoms we all cherish.”

isn't that cute....freedoms we all cherish

he put a cherry on top

fuck you Larry

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:52 | 3637462 Bay of Pigs
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It's amazing these cocksuckers can keep a straight face spewing that propaganda.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:40 | 3637703 ejmoosa
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Because they think the majority do not care.  And they are right.

 

Just remember, it was a minoritiy of Americans that freed us from British Rule.  The majority could have gone either way.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:47 | 3637721 DollarMenu
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If they do not play along, they, their families, and their fortunes will be destroyed.

If only they and their fortunes are considered, they are cowards.

Add in the families, and it becomes a lot more difficult to focus/define.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:45 | 3637841 Herd Redirectio...
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Which makes just about everyone blackmailable, if the people doing the blackmail are that ruthless (which they are).

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:45 | 3638112 kchrisc
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Congratulations Larry Page, you just made it on to the guillotine list!

Where you headed (pun unintended) now, Disneyworld?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:58 | 3637627 Kayman
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Sept 21, 2007

On Friday, Mattel's executive vice president for worldwide operations, Thomas Debrowski, met with the Chinese product safety chief Li Changjiang, to apologize for the company's own weak safety controls. "Our reputation has been damaged lately by these recalls," Mr. Debrowski told Li. "And Mattel takes full responsibility for these recalls and apologizes personally to you, the Chinese people, and all of our customers who received the toys."

And soon the Polish army will invade Germany, and Hitler will reluctanty have to retaliate.  What a fucking pathetic world we live in.  These cocksuckers (my apologies to Michael Douglas) actually think they are doing good. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 18:08 | 3637881 robobbob
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+1 for remembering real history

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:01 | 3638128 kchrisc
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"...actually think they are doing good."

I beg to differ.

These criminal socialpathic scumbags don't give one iota of a shit about anyone but themselves--they can't.

Go and watch the Pelosi, "We have to pass it to see what's in it," video. Does anyone honestly think that such a piece of shit that could say such a thing "thinks they are doing good?" And let's not forget "Bring it on," Bush and "known knowns," Rumsfeld.

Or put another way, does anyone truly believe that the Nazi government was staffed by people that thought "they were doing good?" "Mein Herr, let's do some good today and invade Russia, build some camps and reduce Europe's population some." LOL

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:48 | 3637453 Widowmaker
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In other words, hidden in plain sight.

So, the NSA builds the largest data centers in a state, and the rest of Fascist Inc tries to tell us it's merely a locked mailbox.

What are the data retention policies, who precisely has the key and who is watching them?

Nobody that's fucking who.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:10 | 3637985 CaptainObvious
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 03:16 | 3638666 Kirk2NCC1701
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Some years ago I used to like ICQ as an I'M provider. Then, when I learned that the Israeli company that owned it, had sold it to the US, I jumped ship: I smelled a Mossad/CIA rat. And I've avoided all IM like the plague since then.

Date and porn sites are also THE worst for picking up all sorts of nasty STDs: Software-Transmitted Diseases.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:04 | 3637338 Five8Charlie
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"Direct Access"

Weasel words of the week.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:06 | 3637349 DaveyJones
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You honor,  my client never allowed that fourteen year old "direct access" to his legal briefs

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:58 | 3637481 20834A
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For y'all's edification: The Analyst's Desktop Binder.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/82701103/Analyst-Desktop-Binder-REDACTED

Please note that Keywords and Search terms start on page 20. Employ them frequently.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:04 | 3637339 desoto
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America has become one BIG LIE.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:09 | 3637358 Cognitive Dissonance
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In many ways it always has been. It's just that the thin veneer has become worn and discolored and the fascism underneath is showing thru. The US is and always was just another version of the slave plantation. We slaves were just treated better than most. That is ending.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:12 | 3637371 desoto
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Excellent observation CD.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:12 | 3637665 machineh
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On Barky's plantation, the slaves get Obamaphones. 

So Ol' Massah can listen in and find out if they're plotting against their owners.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:22 | 3637403 DaveyJones
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To Canada old John was bound
All by de net underground;
He's got no clothes -- he's got no "tin"
He wishes he had mail agin.
Gib me de place called "Google's Land,"
Wid Mouse and shubble in my hand;
Whar fiddles ring an' banjos play,
I'll dance all night an' browse all day

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:27 | 3637407 graspAU
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“Money is a new form of slavery, and distinguishable from the old simply by the fact that it is impersonal - that there is no human relation between master and slave.”
-Leo Tolstoy

“While boasting of our noble deeds, we are careful to conceal the ugly fact that by our iniquitous money system we have nationalized a system of oppression which, though more refined, is not less cruel than the old system of chattel slavery.”
-Horace Greely -1872, in writing his opinion of the National Banking Act.

"Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants – but debt is the money of slaves."
–Norm Franz, Money and Wealth in the New Millennium

“There are two ways to conquer and enslave a country. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.”
-John Adams

"When the end result of all our technology, learning and philosophy is a failure to develop liberty and fulfillment or worse, the complete and utter intransience of a social system that has all the hallmarks of slavery being perpetuated forever, should we not question whether there is a source point that controls humanity?”.
-Unknown – Zerohedge

Governments are human livestock management systems.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:22 | 3637802 Ignatius
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May I paraphrase? 

End the FED.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 17:50 | 3637848 Herd Redirectio...
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And: End usury.  End fractional reserve banking.  Justice means that which has been stolen must be returned.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:30 | 3637687 malek
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And the Soviet Union collapsed before us because we lie better than they did.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:16 | 3638637 Kirk2NCC1701
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Could be because their bankers did not serve Mammon nor worship to Lucifer (the misunderstood archangel) as much as our bankers did.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:47 | 3637364 prains
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......."has become"......or..........fully actualized.......no need to use past tense.....it always has been

 

 

just ask carl lewis, lance armstrong, marion jones and on and on....they know, they're the embodiment of a culture based on lies, deceit, cheating, theft, graft and on and on. It shows up not just in finance, politics, corporations but everywhere in the american culture.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 15:07 | 3637501 Jayda1850
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The hypocrisy would be laughable if it wasnt so sad. We tell the world they cant have wmd's, drones, cyber weapons and here we are as the biggest proliferator of all 3. I love my fellow Americans, but until they realize that staying silent on the atrocities caused by our government is the same as endorsing it, I have very little hope to stop heading down this road to totalitarianism.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:04 | 3638136 kchrisc
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"...lthe and of the free and the home of the brave." LOL

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:11 | 3637341 buzzsaw99
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Hell everyone here had to at least assume that Skynet was getting every word of every post, search, comment, review, e-mail, whatever. They make their living by "spying" but it is all voluntary on our part.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:51 | 3637461 Mitzibitzi
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Everyone has to eat, dude. So get a proper job, ya bunch of voyeuristic pricks!

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:05 | 3637342 rehypothecator
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I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.  

I did not shoot the victim one single time.

We do not give the government direct access to any information on our servers.  

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:09 | 3637360 rehypothecator
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We do not give any government direct access to anything on our servers.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:04 | 3637648 Spigot
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I never fucked her, the condom fucked her. We never let them have direct access, we insisted they use a rubber. You know, seperation of powers.

Words are what I say they mean. When I decide they mean something else then they do. If you use those words to mean what you want them to mean, you can do that too. When I answer you, it is from what I want the words to mean, regardless of how you take what I say.

/sarc

This nation's "leaders" and their sponsors have become so intoxicated with power they have become the enemy of any honest person.

Go Galt, starve the beast.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 20:38 | 3638106 lakecity55
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Do we even have a government anymore, or just a gang of psycho killerz?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:23 | 3638641 Kirk2NCC1701
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Ah, but his polymer firewall was of inferior quality, as his macro code was leaked in data bursts onto her domain.

He did not 'intentionally' provide this direct access to his data.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 16:31 | 3637688 malek
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It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 19:13 | 3637992 CaptainObvious
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It was only a modest encroachment.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 14:05 | 3637344 papaswamp
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They are not providing.... Direct access. But 'other' access is allowed.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!