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The NSA's "Boundless Informant" Collects 3 Billion Intelligence Pieces From US Computer Networks In One Month

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There's one reason why the administration, James Clapper and the NSA should just keep their mouths shut as the PRISM-gate fallout escalates: with every incremental attempt to refute some previously unknown facet of the US Big Brother state, a new piece of previously unleaked information from the same intelligence organization now scrambling for damage control, emerges and exposes the brand new narrative as yet another lie, forcing even more lies, more retribution against sources, more journalist persecution and so on.

The latest piece of news once again comes from the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald who this time exposes the NSA's datamining tool "Boundless Informant" which according to leaked documents collected 97 billion pieces of intelligence from computer networks worldwide in March 2013 alone, and "3 billion pieces of intelligence from US computer networks over a 30-day period."

This is summarized in the chart below which shows that only the middle east has more active NSA-espionage than the US. Also, Obama may not want to show Xi the activity heatmap for China, or else the whole "China is hacking us" script may promptly fall apart.

Using simple, non-AES 256 breaking math, 3 billion per month amounts to some 100 million intrusions into the US per day, or looked at from another perspective, just a little more than the "zero" which James Clapper vouched announced earlier today is the applicable number of US citizens falling under the NSA's espionage mandate: "Section 702 cannot be used to intentionally target any U.S. citizen, or any other U.S. person, or to intentionally target any person known to be in the United States." Oops.

But it gets worse for the NSA. As the Guardian reports, "Emmel, the NSA spokeswoman, told the Guardian: "Current technology simply does not permit us to positively identify all of the persons or locations associated with a given communication (for example, it may be possible to say with certainty that a communication traversed a particular path within the internet. It is harder to know the ultimate source or destination, or more particularly the identity of the person represented by the TO:, FROM: or CC: field of an e-mail address or the abstraction of an IP address). Thus, we apply rigorous training and technological advancements to combine both our automated and manual (human) processes to characterize communications – ensuring protection of the privacy rights of the American people. This is not just our judgment, but that of the relevant inspectors general, who have also reported this."

In other words, Americans are absolutely the target of billions of monthly intrusions, but said data "mining" is exempted because it is difficult to identify in advance if a US citizen is implicated in any metadata chain.

Only it isn't as it is the whole premise behind Boundless Informant.

An NSA factsheet about the program, acquired by the Guardian, says: "The tool allows users to select a country on a map and view the metadata volume and select details about the collections against that country."

 

The focus of the internal NSA tool is on counting and categorizing the records of communications, known as metadata, rather than the content of an email or instant message.

 

The Boundless Informant documents show the agency collecting almost 3 billion pieces of intelligence from US computer networks over a 30-day period ending in March 2013. One document says it is designed to give NSA officials answers to questions like, "What type of coverage do we have on country X" in "near real-time by asking the SIGINT [signals intelligence] infrastructure."

 

Under the heading "Sample use cases", the factsheet also states the tool shows information including: "How many records (and what type) are collected against a particular country."

 

A snapshot of the Boundless Informant data, contained in a top secret NSA "global heat map" seen by the Guardian, shows that in March 2013 the agency collected 97bn pieces of intelligence from computer networks worldwide.

 

Iran was the country where the largest amount of intelligence was gathered, with more than 14bn reports in that period, followed by 13.5bn from Pakistan. Jordan, one of America's closest Arab allies, came third with 12.7bn, Egypt fourth with 7.6bn and India fifth with 6.3bn. 

 

Next up: more NSA lies of course.

The disclosure of the internal Boundless Informant system comes amid a struggle between the NSA and its overseers in the Senate over whether it can track the intelligence it collects on American communications. The NSA's position is that it is not technologically feasible to do so.

 

At a hearing of the Senate intelligence committee In March this year, Democratic senator Ron Wyden asked James Clapper, the director of national intelligence: "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

 

"No sir," replied Clapper.

 

Judith Emmel, an NSA spokeswoman, told the Guardian in a response to the latest disclosures: "NSA has consistently reported – including to Congress – that we do not have the ability to determine with certainty the identity or location of all communicants within a given communication. That remains the case."

 

Other documents seen by the Guardian further demonstrate that the NSA does in fact break down its surveillance intercepts which could allow the agency to determine how many of them are from the US. The level of detail includes individual IP addresses.

 

IP address is not a perfect proxy for someone's physical location but it is rather close, said Chris Soghoian, the principal technologist with the Speech Privacy and Technology Project of the American Civil Liberties Union. "If you don't take steps to hide it, the IP address provided by your internet provider will certainly tell you what country, state and, typically, city you are in," Soghoian said.

 

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At a congressional hearing in March last year, Alexander denied point-blank that the agency had the figures on how many Americans had their electronic communications collected or reviewed. Asked if he had the capability to get them, Alexander said: "No. No. We do not have the technical insights in the United States." He added that "nor do we do have the equipment in the United States to actually collect that kind of information".

Turns out they do, and that perjury in the US is now merely another facet of the "New Normal." Plus what difference does it make that yet another member of the most transparent administration perjured themselves. Then again, when the head of the Department of Justice is being investigated for lying to Congress under oath, one can only laugh.

That laughter risks becoming an imbecilic cackle when reading the following veiled threat to the Guardian from the NSA's Judith Emmel: "The continued publication of these allegations about highly classified issues, and other information taken out of context, makes it impossible to conduct a reasonable discussion on the merits of these programs."

In other words, the best discussion is one that would simply not take place as reporters should promptly stop actually reporting, and fall back to their New Normal role of being access journalists to important people (see Andrew Ross Sorkin's rise to fame on... nothing) with zero critical insight or investigative effort. Or else...

 

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Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:38 | 3638490 Buckaroo Banzai
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There's a lot to like about Ted Cruz, but I am skeptical. For example, he is pushing to eliminate the IRS (good) and pushing for a flat income tax (bad). If he was truly committed to Liberty, he would stand for the outright abolition of all taxes on wages.

I suspect he may be a Hegelian plant, put in place to ensure there is backstop support for the continued existence of a wage tax, on at least a minimal level.

Our dark overlords absolutely require the wage tax as it enslaves and controls us by crippling the capital formation process, thus ensuring their economic and political dominance continues unchecked.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:55 | 3638520 LetThemEatRand
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He made it to the Senate, so there's certainly reason to be wary.  Chume wagon was a Senator first, and he convinced the Blue Team that he was the next coming.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:06 | 3638530 F. Bastiat
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Ted Cruz seems pretty damn legit.  Barry was just the anti-Bush of the moment.  Barry even had me fooled for awhile; I didn't catch on to him being a delusional marxist until late '09 or early 10. Don't remember exactly when.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:25 | 3638549 LetThemEatRand
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Pay attention to what he does (if anything) in the Senate, by which I mean real Bills, investigations that are not purely propaganda with no result, follow up questions at hearings, etc.   

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:04 | 3638528 F. Bastiat
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Don't disagree totally.  Need to eat the behemoth in chunks, though.  A chunk here, a chunk there. Take 'em.  Pretty soon there's nothing left.  A thousand cuts.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:52 | 3638830 lakecity55
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Hey, not all these guys are bad. There is maybe 1-2% who are OK.

Cruz will not win because he may be the real deal.

It would take Americans to put him or RP on an independent ticket and say fuck off to D vs R

FTA!

BTFD!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:03 | 3639492 Z_End
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Not so sure about Cruz... or his wife...

http://www.dailypaul.com/231718/the-real-ted-cruz

I think she works for Goldman Sachs Wealth Management in in Texas now...

Controlled opposition?

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:38 | 3638492 SMG
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@LetThemEatRand,  noticing you've been fighting the trolls for the past couple days.  They are out in full force.   Keep going sir, every little bit helps.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:58 | 3638522 LetThemEatRand
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I agree about fighting, but I haven't seen a lot of trolls.  I vehemently disagree with many of these guys, but it's Fight Club.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:25 | 3639050 sun tzu
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Ron Paul is a TRUE liberal, not the modern day police state liberal. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:13 | 3638537 Anusocracy
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Cruz would just be another figure on the Elite's POTUS merry-go-ground.

Whoever is elected will always be the wrong person.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:50 | 3638828 lakecity55
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Cruz will not get elected.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:26 | 3639056 sun tzu
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Not until they turn him into one of their own through blackmail or bribery.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 01:49 | 3638617 g'kar
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This is taken directly from forbes top 15 richest in America.

D-Bill Gates 56 Billion

D- Warren Buffett $50.0 billion:

D- Lawrence Ellison $39.5 billion
D- Jim Walton 20.1 billion
D- Alice Walton 20 billion
D- S. Robson Walton 20 billion
I- Michael Bloomberg 18 billion (was a D for 20 yrs then became a RINO and is now an I):
D- Larry Page – Google – 15 billion
D- Sergey Brin – Google – 15 billion
 

D to R – Sheldon Adelson – 14.7 billion is now 23 billion

D- George”Spooky Dude” Soros – Crime Inc,.14.2 billion
D- Mark Zuckerberg $13.5 billion
D- Dustin Moskovitz $2.7 billion
D- Sean Parker $1.6 billion
D- Peter Thiel $1.6 billion
D- Yuri Milner $1 billion
D- Eduardo Saverin $1.6 billion

 

Probably old data though. Democrats are definitely the party of the poor.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 06:53 | 3638748 Clashfan
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"In America"--key words.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:38 | 3638810 GetZeeGold
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Democrats are definitely the party of the poor.

 

Heh heh....yeah they are.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:29 | 3639064 Yes_Questions
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Pfft!  And these guys are just regional managers.

 

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:25 | 3639423 samsara
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You got that right. Now Rothchilds, Warburg, Rockefeller.... et al That and their offspring is the level that needs to be purged.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:31 | 3639191 Wilcat Dafoe
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try listing russia's.

Russia is less than 0.5% Jewish yet are about half the top 20 billionaires.  This is after Putin's chasing several of them out of the country, too, mostly for legit crimes.

Most of the Putin bashing, and the reason for the neoconservative/zionist/jewish efforts to set up think tanks and ngos for the poor, oppressed people of the southern russian republics is tied, directly, to Putin's destruction of much but by no means all of the ridiculous financial power of Jews in Russia, given how few of them they are.

And like here, many of them are primarily loyal to Israel, and often flee there when the wagons begin circling.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:42 | 3638499 0b1knob
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"SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT THE TENETS OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM, DUDE, AT LEAST IT’S AN ETHOS"
Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:47 | 3638824 lakecity55
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Damn, Dick O just copied Adolf's work.

Can we nail him on a copyright infraction?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:41 | 3639090 PiltdownMan
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Sigh. Democrats won't do a thing to "The One." Republicans remember the beating they took in the elections after their impeachment attempt on Clinton.

There is no level of criminality, deceipt or misconduct that Democrats would impeach Obama over. He is PROTECTED.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:50 | 3638414 Whatta
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hahahaha....bonesxxx said "erect". That is a funny word - erect.

Reminds me of the president.

Who was it that said the president was a dick? Oh yeah...here it is:

"Time’s Mark Halperin referred to the President of the United States as a “dick” Thursday, MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough made it clear that he helped orchestrate the incident.

Scarborough set Halperin up by asking him about yesterday’s press conference where President Barack Obama scolded Republicans for not raising the debt ceiling.

“Are we on the seven-second delay?” Halperin asked.

“Yeah, sure,” Scarborough said. “Come on. Take a chance.”

“I thought he was kind of a dick yesterday,” Halperin announced with smile.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:37 | 3638213 A Lunatic
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There are tens of thousands more mother fuckers waiting in the wings. We're beyond that now..........

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:56 | 3638256 freewolf7
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Yes, him . But not just him.
It's revealing itself as more agreed upon by all those in power.

These are the rules.

It is understood by anyone in politics.
If you can play by the rules
while you're playing the role of
seducing the public, you win.

Best man wins.

We are being harvested at every
level of our existence.
Our data, our money, our energy,

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:12 | 3638318 corndog
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No doubt.
And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
Luke 22:30-32

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:13 | 3638285 Ignatius
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"Fuckers! Time to impeach that MotherFucker-in-Chief."

President Biden?  Not an improvement.  We'll have to take 'em all down.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:17 | 3638464 CaptainObvious
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You're 100% right...look down the chain of command...President Boehner (might be good for the jokes, but that's about it); President Leahy (shudder); President Kerry, President Lew, President Hagel, President Holder, President Sebelius, President Napolitano...the list just gets worse the further down the chain of command you go.  Time to clean house, 'Murica.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:28 | 3639062 sun tzu
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It's time to break this country up into those who want tyranny and those who don't.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:32 | 3638483 Diablo
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yeah, thats right lemmings 'bitchez' its all obummers fault.  no need for actual FACTS, like...oh, i dont know..maybe this: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/16program.html?pagewanted=print

(PS: note the date)

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:38 | 3638564 yatikto
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yep.  I am over the republicans.  Unless they make W, persona-non-grata.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 06:01 | 3638715 Disenchanted
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US plans massive data sweep

Little-known data-collection system could troll news, blogs, even e-mails. Will it go too far?

By Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor / February 9, 2006

 

Where was the outcry then? Where was Beck and The Blaze? Oh yeah...a year or so later Beck was busy on CNN trashing Ron Paul supporters as 'terrorists'. 

All these talking heads on TV/radio are fucking hypocrites. I don't care if it's Olbermann, Maddow, Schulz or Beck, Rush, Hannity. If it's their political faction/team doing it it's all good.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:39 | 3639086 Yes_Questions
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But, they are all good at what they do.  Once in a while pretty entertaining.

 

NONE of them are Free, and by knowing they are lying to and distracting their audiences, one sees the purpose the companies they work for have in the scheme of things.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:45 | 3638819 lakecity55
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we have to start somewhere, and that arrogant AA asshole is a good place to start.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:31 | 3638962 AllWorkedUp
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I gots to tell you guys. I'm being continually kicked out and getting "internet explorer not responding" messages when I look at the comments on ZH. Why do I think ZH will be one of the first sites the gov't will shut down when they shutdown the net?

Anyone else getting these messages?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:26 | 3639046 Disenchanted
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I use FireFox, but I've noticed the last few days that everything is running slower than molasses and my CPU is running at 100% when logged in @ ZH. I finally installed the simple Adblocker add-on for FF and that helped some.

Back in the day Internet Site/Forum Admins used to have tricks for making certain users site/forum experience less than ideal. There was a term/slang for it too, but I can't remember what it was. There was also something referred to as 'hellbanning'

Could be coming from outside ZH though...Just sayin.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:31 | 3638196 Terrorist
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Cheers! Muther fookers

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:51 | 3638415 kchrisc
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I better brush up on my enamel ware making skills.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:55 | 3638425 Buck Johnson
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They are coming out and thinking all the information has been dissemenated and it hasn't.  The guardian is slowly and surely putting it out and showing these idiots as lying to the public.  The horrible thing is that soon the world may decide to put their internet on a seperate network designed by said country and with the US cut out of it or not in control of it.  It's a complete joke and we complaining to China about hacking and look what we are doing. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 01:23 | 3638601 Joe A
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They probably have one or more servers dedicated to ZH alone

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 05:33 | 3638702 Disenchanted
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Scientia Est Potentia...bitchez

Total Information Awareness 

 

Two quotes from that second link:

 

Mission(IAO)

The IAO's stated mission is to gather as much information as possible about everyone in a centralized location for easy perusal by the United States government, including Internet activity, credit card purchase histories, airline ticket purchases, car rentals, medical records, educational transcripts, driver's licenses, utility bills, tax returns, and any other available data. In essence, the goal of the IAO is to be able to recreate a life history of thoughts and movements for any individual on the planet on demand, which the Bush administration deems necessary to counter the threat of terrorism. Critics claim the very existence of the IAO completely disregards the concept of individual privacy and liberties and is far too invasive and prone to abuse.

 

and:

 

Reuters has obtained a Congressional report that shows nine months after Congress shut down the controversial Pentagon computer-surveillance program called Total Information Awareness, the U.S. government continues to comb private records and databases to sniff out suspicious activity. Peter Swire, who served as the Clinton administration's top official said "I believe that Total Information Awareness is continuing under other names."—reported by Democracy Now!, June 3, 2004.

 

No shit Sherlock Swire.


NSA Documents on Cryptome 1996-2006 (some of the links there are dead)

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:22 | 3638174 UGrev
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when my kids watch their cartoons and kid shows on my netflix account, suudenly all my pertinent suugestions are now filled with noise...kind of like if i plastered this all over the internet with no particular purpose:

militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, militia ,obama, guns, 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:26 | 3638183 Jim in MN
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Yeah I can only use Goongle Chrime to get to Disney Junior now, other slightly more secure browsers that worked last week don't work now.  LOL fuckers. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:24 | 3638177 Jim in MN
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Corruption, plus amorality, plus these systems of tyranny can ONLY lead to MORE terrorism through the systemic delegitimization of the US government.

These goons put all of our children and more risk, not less.

It has to stop.  This is why the intelligence community is in partial revolt, as was revealed on MSNBC the other night when Chris Hayes asked a Guardian reporter point-blank about it (using the word 'revolt') and he said, in a strained manner, "I'm not going there Chris" in a segment that, strangely, has no transcript available on transcript-happy MSNBC's website this evening. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:28 | 3638187 FinalCollapse
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'Corruption, plus amorality, plus these systems of tyranny can ONLY lead to MORE terrorism through the systemic delegitimization of the US government.'

I will second that.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:35 | 3638209 F. Bastiat
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Hussein Obama might as well be a wild beast.  My cat has a better moral sense than the animals in his regime.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:59 | 3638262 franzpick
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But, what better moral sense can you envisage than for an Islam-Apologist-POTUS to understand and uphold the sacred 'family honor' tradition of stoning to death a half-buried women:  I'll change my reference, from GoBombEm, to, GoStoneEm...

/Sarc off click not responding...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:00 | 3638280 F. Bastiat
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It is rather odd that those who complain about a "War on Women" simultaneously condone the murder of ~151,000 unborn girls every year by the likes of Kermit Gosnell.  Not to mention that they're the same hominids who are actively attempting to deny health care to 10 year old Sarah Murnaghan.

Whether it is murdering the unborn or attempting to deny health care to the born, today's liberalism is simply a death cult. Just like its marxist, socialist, and communist ancestors. 

Pure evil.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3638270 Anusocracy
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Hasn't government always been a daisy chain of crime covered up by a daisy chain of lies?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:26 | 3638178 MsCreant
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They have to watch things like pollsters would watch them, they know currents regarding the things we are talking about and paying attention to. They take the herds pulse, see how the distractions work, what we will put up with. They create "heat maps" alright. This is scary shit, bitches. Nothing paranoid about a damn thing I am saying here.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:24 | 3638475 CaptainObvious
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They better not direct their heat maps at me, because I'm so fuming with rage right now that I'd burn up their infrared.  I knew they were monitoring us all along, but to have it confirmed like this and the lies they are using are so fucking coordinated and lame, like they're not even trying.  I mean, shit, at least pretend to be ashamed you got caught, ya fuckers!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:26 | 3638179 Jayda1850
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God bless and protect Glenn Greenwald and his sources, they are true heroes and sadly I fear for their lives.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:34 | 3638203 F. Bastiat
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Oh please; Hussein Obama's marxists are keystone cops compared to Lenin, Stalin, Bronstein (Trotsky) et al.

Affirmative action doth not intelligence make.

Hell, Hussien couldn't even write his own fucking book.  Hussein, Holder, and their comrade commies are a fucking joke.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:56 | 3638265 andrewp111
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Just wait until Sarah Palin gets elected President. She will make Obama look like the incompetent piker that he is. She won't just harass lib opponents with the IRS, she will lock them up for life, or have "flying monkey" robots hunt them down and terminate them with extreme prejudice. And forget Gitmo. We will have a labor camp for political opponents on the Moon.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:02 | 3638290 F. Bastiat
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The only good communist is a dead communist.  Absolutely.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:40 | 3638814 lakecity55
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And only Dead Communists are good communists!

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:45 | 3638504 Buckaroo Banzai
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You're a fucking loon.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:53 | 3638989 AllWorkedUp
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YOU are the problem. Only a libtard with the intelligence of a flea would say something like that.

If you had said McCain or Graham, you might've almost had an argument. Your precious Obummer and his administration are as filthy as they come. Gitmo is still in operation, moron.

That's right at an annual cost to taxpayers of $750K per prisoner.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:58 | 3638275 Jayda1850
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Obama is nothing but a puppet. Unlike the rest you named, O only gets 8 years. The true enemies of liberty and the constitution have been there for decades, to reclaim you liberty you will need to get rid of more than the POTUS, the whole system needs to be purged.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:03 | 3638292 F. Bastiat
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I do agree that Gyorgy Schwartz is one of the pillars upon which the marxist delusions of Hussein Obama so precariously rest.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:13 | 3638322 Jayda1850
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I look at Soros with deepest contempt and hatred. For although I don't think he's running things, he is more of a parasite sucking up and front running, much like his work for the nazis, the actions of TPTB.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:22 | 3638332 F. Bastiat
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Gyorgy Schwartz is the head of the snake, IMO.  Public enemy number fucking one.  Worse than Cass Sunstein, worse than Peter Orszag, and worse than domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:27 | 3638363 Jayda1850
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Speaking of sunstein, I think the naming of his wife samantha power to the UN and rice as nation sec. adviser guarantees our intervention in Syria by year's end.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:34 | 3638380 F. Bastiat
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I certainly agree that those who wish to destroy this country would see intervention as a move in their favor.  No question about it.

It's critical that we recognize their tactics and not get sucked into that sort of thing.  Really need to keep our guys out of that middle east meat grinder.

The muzzies may be barbarians, but they're certainly not fools - they've been beating USG ass ever since 9/11.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 07:02 | 3638754 Herd Redirectio...
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Its not just about Soros and Obama.  There's an entire 'Billionaire's Club' full of crooks.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:51 | 3638255 Melin
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On this I'm a tad confused. The Guardian is no liberty-loving publication yet they're suddenly worried about our liberty? 

It would be interesting to see a heat map of all the individuals scared into silence by this lengthening list of "leaks."  Seems like that's the actual goal.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:55 | 3638519 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes. Good point. One must always consider the source.

Let's remember that the IRS scandal was started when it was leaked by... The IRS.

Why is all this stuff coming out now, why is it all coming out at once, and why do the sources of the leaks/revelations seem so peculiar?

All of a sudden, the NYT, who couldn't have been more in the tank for Obama for the better part of a decade, is now criticizing him?

Hmmmm.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 01:02 | 3638581 The Joker
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Maybe they think Benghazi is a bigger deal (smuggling arms to Syria) than we think it is.  Distractions.  Notice how that story has disappeared in all this.  Of course, if the admin is responsible for the intentional deaths of ambassadors and soldiers to cover up something, then maybe it is a bigger deal than the IRS targeting tea=partiers or spying on emails.  They are picking their poison?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 01:31 | 3638608 UGrev
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This is how they operate. They have a president who is no longer electable. They have to tear him down. They do this so they can bring in the white horse candidate for 2016 that will truly condemn this country into oblivion. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 07:04 | 3638755 Herd Redirectio...
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They make you, they break you.  Seen it happen so many times...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:26 | 3639052 Buckaroo Banzai
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What you say makes sense, except for the timing. Why start tearing him down now, only 6 months into the term? Wouldn't they wait until he's a few years in, like they did with Clinton during his second term?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:17 | 3639400 samsara
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I don't think the old time tables work anymore. They are rushing now and possibly making mistakes. I think 2016 doesn't work them to hold off until. Sovereign Default maybe.

Maybe like Martin Armstrong's 2015.75 turning date.

They just seem to be rushing now.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:21 | 3638346 The Joker
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Glenn Greenwald is the man.  He's been calling these douches out for awhile.  Has a couple of good documentaries on LinkTV.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3638190 Aurora Ex Machina
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Data is like Heroin.

Get a good stream, and Stratfor looks like Sesame Street. Seriously. The hidden data streams make this look like the fucking local WalMart. The hard-core stuff leaves you feeling like nothing else matters when it's gone. The real deal is 4D presentation, real time algo modeled, data driven surround IMAX with live feed and 3D captured film with a virtual input system (yeah, ok, that bit is a bit clumsy still). It's fucking glorious. Your mind is surfing the Memories of Whiteness and it's not limited to your base level interactions. It's achingly beautiful; add in emotional feedback, and it's a killer.

 

And that's the homo sapien version. Oh, what we give up to come here to post.

 

Choose Life

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 08:48 | 3638826 trader1
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AEM, not sure if you're checking your older threads.  but that exchange with "damage" was priceless.

here's confirmation that "damage" might be a bot.  copy/pasted from the chat application.  he sent me a private chat:

 

damage d00dz infowarz and dildoburgers! google gives NSA direct access to your gmailz y0! and it's a company started by the CIA they get most of their money from them y'jknow 12:15pm

damage d00d, you got new infowarz?! 12:35pm

damage d00d, do you know about the barfchilds? and the dildoburgers?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:55 | 3638994 noless
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Sounds more like some random dipshit then a bot.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:13 | 3639027 trader1
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yea...i think you may be right...unfortunately for him (or her?)  

being a bot would have been less pathetic.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:33 | 3638191 Urban Redneck
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Why so much interest in Germany- is the NSA trying to help the (private) Federal Reserve stay ahead of German gold repatriation requests?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:20 | 3638466 Matt
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Also, notice that Israel appears to be a red country, along with Iran and Pakistan.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 01:02 | 3638585 Telemakhos
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Germany has been attempting to get info, with varying degrees of success, out of the same companies for years.  Up until 2007 or so, German intelligence openly complained that they were having problems intercepting and decrypting Skype communications; they hired an outside contractor to build software to attack Skype's encryption, but that was obviated after Microsoft's acquisition of Skype, which resulted in a rejiggering of the Skype infrastructure that made it possible for governments in bed with Microsoft to listen in.

It may not be that the NSA has greater interest in Germany, but that the services with whom the NSA has "partnered" are better represented there, as they are in the mideast (PalTalk especially).  Brazil's probably higher on the list relative to its neighbors because Orkut (a Google brand) is popular there.  In short, the map likely does NOT indicate the NSA's interests alone but a function of at least three variables:

  1. Market saturation of NSA-aligned properties (Google, MS, Apple, etc.)—the more popular these brands are within a country, the more the NSA will be able to pull data from that country.  Assume, for example, that the NSA gets nothing off QQ or Baidu (Chinese companies): that alone will lower the NSA's coverage ability in China.  In fact, the amount of info coming from China is surprising and probably partly Google's doing, partly also a result of:
  2. Sheer population (I see nothing saying that these graphics are per-capita, and the brighter colors do seem to coorelate to population centers, since you'd think Ireland would be a heavier target due to the IRA and Switzerland for its bank accounts).  The more people in a country, the more data they're going to get.  Greenland will never be a hotspot.
  3. Interest.  The NSA doesn't seem to be hoovering up all of the data, but just what interests them.  They're very interested in Iran, not so much in Mongolia.  I'm guessing that this is less important than #1 and #2, though, since volition is always less important than ability.

The Germans are heavy users of these services (#1 above), it's a big country (#2), and the US does seem to have some interest in industrial espionage in Germany, if the ECHELON rumors are true about the ENERCON turbine plans falling into US hands (#3 above).

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:31 | 3638193 colddirt
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Can my wife find out if I'm watching porn if she askes the NSA kindly? Crap.............

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:15 | 3638327 Hulk
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She already knows, trust me on this...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:49 | 3640687 ManOfBliss
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who cares if ur wife finds out?

my gf watches more porn than i do

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:31 | 3638195 Cognitive Dissonance
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3 billion in 30 days? Is that all? Time to hire a HFT programmer to juice the NSA computer system. They should be doing 3 billion in a minute.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:56 | 3638274 DoChenRollingBearing
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I would just assume the worst and assume that they ARE monitoring 10 times what they say...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:37 | 3638388 seek
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And likely trading it, or if nothing else using it for real time data.

You know, if the WSJ claims are right that they're getting copies of all VISA/MC/Amex transactions, they quite literally have real-time data on a huge portion of the economy, down to the minute if they care to extract it at that level.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:51 | 3638417 Ying-Yang
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10x? nah think bigger

 

The NSA is constructing a datacenter in the Utah desert that they project will be storing yottabytes of surveillance data. And what is a yottabyte? I’m glad you asked.

There are a thousand gigabytes in a terabyte, a thousand terabytes in a petabyte, a thousand petabytes in an exabyte, a thousand exabytes in a zettabyte, and a thousand zettabytes in a yottabyte. In other words, a yottabyte is 1,000,000,000,000,000GB. Are you paranoid yet?

http://techcrunch.com/2009/11/01/nsa-to-store-yottabytes-of-surveillance...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:54 | 3638574 Matt
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You can never have too much storage space, if you are trying to store everything. If we extropolate the 3 billion items across the rest of the heat map, they could already be recording in the petabytes per month.

The scarier part, in my opinion, is what the hell is analysing all that data? Countdown to Skynet.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:11 | 3638634 Lore
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Storage infrastructure requires access to a lot of rare earth metals.  You can't hack that into existence.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 04:31 | 3638685 Parrotile
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How soon before we get that capacity on a USB thumb-drive ? ? (Har, Har!!)

It is not that long ago when 1Gb was regarded as a BIG hard disk - then we "discovered" Digital Cameras, and the rest (as they say) is history.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:21 | 3640963 Matt
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I'm pretty confident hard drive storage has simply expanded at a steady exponential rate, along moore's law. Of course, that will come to an end once they get down to mono-atomic scales.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:05 | 3638298 Hulk
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Just monitoring your writings should give them 3 billion a minute !!!

/my real bad...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:12 | 3638197 F. Bastiat
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Even so, government employees are just not the brightest bulbs in the box.

Wars are ultimately fought by men and the USG just doesn't attract the best and the brightest. Even the NSA.

The fact that centralization institutionalizes ignorance is known pretty much everywhere but the USG.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:36 | 3638201 h0oS
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Wow, how much porn do these government workers need? Fuckers get it for free as well... As for dancing kittens and make-up tips and Z list celebrity gossip, no wonder the US is losing every conflict it is engaged in. If you call this intelligence then I'd hate to meet the stupid.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:54 | 3638517 MrPalladium
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Oceans of drivel and garbage in, actionable knowledge out?

More like hundreds of billions of budget in, need hundreds of billions more to find a terrorist or two.

Nothing usefull? Stage a false flag!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:20 | 3639037 noless
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The content doesn't matter, they just want to know where everyone is at all times or could be based on who they know.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:33 | 3638204 SpykerSpeed
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Everybody do a google search for "CryptoCat" and (if you have an Android phone) "TextSecure".

 

There are fantastic apps that can be used to encrypt your chats.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:39 | 3638218 Urban Redneck
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You might want to read up on Backdoor.AndroidOS.Obad.a before assuming your Android phone is protected by encryption.

(Android might be inspired by Linux, but its not an OS it's a POS and the spawn of Mr. Softy's evil twin)

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:34 | 3638206 A Lunatic
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Isn't it ironic that in order to get the truth about the inner workings of our open and most transparent government ever we must turn to a news source outside of the country..........

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:16 | 3639160 Yes_Questions
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The NEWS was cancelled in the US.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:35 | 3638208 ThisIsBob
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The individual(s) who are blowing the whistle here are risking life in prision.  That's a fairly heroic act of patriotism. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3638241 Jim in MN
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Not 'risking'.  Accepting.  They will find the person.

The question is, is it in vain?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:40 | 3638390 seek
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Life in prison? As damaging as this is to TPTB, they'll call it treason and go for the death penalty.

That's assuming (and I'm not sure I'm there yet) that this isn't an intentional leak to divert attention from Benghazi or initiate a regime change within the US, or cover for something horrific we don't even know about yet.

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:11 | 3638452 fonzannoon
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Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:35 | 3638210 stock trout
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What the hell is a "piece of intelligence" anyway. Those numbers are implying that virtually every single ip packet on the net is a "piece of intelligence"..in other words, everything. 

Hey NSA, here's a piece of intelligence for ya: FUCK YOU. 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:36 | 3638211 jumbo maverick
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Ricin

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:38 | 3638214 ramacers
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how long/how much are we gonna put up with this shit?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:10 | 3638313 Anusocracy
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For the typical American, as long as they are alive.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3638231 Seize Mars
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Every day it just gets worse.

"Give me six lines written by the most honorable of men, and I will find an excuse in them to hang him." -Cardinal Richelieu

They accumulate all this data so they can fuckin screw you whenever they want. His Eminence Rouge would be proud.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:05 | 3639005 roadhazard
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I don't see why they go to all the trouble when they can just make something up, or not. If they want you they got you.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:38 | 3639074 noless
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You're right, eventually they won't bother with the charade. But everything needs to be in place first, otherwise they might lose key infrastructure in the fight that would ensue, which of itself is a threat to their centralization of power.

The safer play on their end is to pretend for as long as is possible, keeping the herd docile, still believing that there are good guys enforcing the law, and that the system works, those lousy malcontents are just envious, or lazy, after all i played by the rules and my life is just fine, sure, i didn't get that raise i wanted, and milk sure seems to cost more now, but what do i know I'm probably just forgetful, i mean, i can still just walk down the street and pick up a gallon at the.. Is.. Is that blood?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3638235 suicidalpsychologist
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The people who created, developed and own the internet use their control to sell crap to those who use the tool they developed? shocking. You are the moron if you fall for their targeted ads, probably the only purpose of these informations they share. That's the only thing they can do with these "informations", target the shit they want to sell you.

Why do you care, if you have nothing to hide exactly ? If you re not happy why dont you cut your internet, cable and TV ? Suddenly noone has anything to say anymore. Chill out people, if you own farmland, guns, some PM and dont use facebook, everything will be fine.

 

 

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:41 | 3638395 Ying-Yang
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Wise words from a suicidal psychologist?

everything will be fine......... heh

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:36 | 3638487 CaptainObvious
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I swear to Jesus Christ, I'm going medieval on the next fucker who dares type "If you have nothing to hide why do you care" or "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about".

Get this through your thick fucking heads, lackwit morons who type the above statements.  I am doing nothing wrong, and I have nothing to hide, but that doesn't mean I am okay with the government sniffing my jockeys and pawing through my wife's purse.  I don't want the government poking through my trash bins.  I don't want the government following me via satellite.  I don't want the government recording my phone conversations.  Why?  Because it's against the fucking law, and it violates the hell out of my privacy.  Innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land, unless, of course, you're da gubmint, in which case we're all guilty as hell, and if we're not guilty, they have an act stuck somewhere in a drawer that they'll pull out as soon as the opportunity arises to make us guilty of some damn thing. 

"Everything will be fine"?!  The hell it will.  Our nation is going down in flames, and the people who are supposed to be leading us are the ones holding the reins driving us toward the fire on purpose.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:23 | 3638546 Clever Name
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Cmon, CO. If you have nothing to hide...

Too easy, cheers! (Pours a shot of Victory Gin)

 

Heres what you say to them:

"Then why not have a cop outside your door?"

"Why not the BB screen on your wall to monitor everything you do, you have nothing to hide, right? Right?"

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:08 | 3639015 roadhazard
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"If you have nothing to hide..."

 

I love throwing it back in the dumb motherfucker, right winger, BushCo lovers faces. Stupid cunts.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:15 | 3639517 Z_End
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"If you have nothing to hide why do you care" or "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about".

 

Ahhh... the cries of the innocent man, the "good citizen"... hear it all the time.

 

What they don't realize is that you are innocent and good until someone decides your not...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:48 | 3639108 noless
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If you add: don't have a bank account, don't have any loans, never see a doctor, never have any legally necessary documentation, never work for a wage or do anything that is taxable, then yeah, maybe you're right..

Or maybe you live in some kind of exotic fantasy land where there are only good people with zero human frailties, failings or possible ill intentions, and those who work for government agencies are explicitly even more altruistic and kind in their inclinations and attributes than that.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:46 | 3638237 andrewp111
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They listen to everything. All digital communications are recorded for posterity. This has been true since at least 2006. Get over it already.

Now if the NSA can send the data backward in time from its future selves to the present, that is even worse (this can be done with Quantum Computers). Think about it. Suppose you already comitted a major crime, and you have not been discovered. But in a future timeline with 1% quantum probability, you get caught 10 years from now. If the NSA can send data from all future timelines to the present, they will know about your crime now, and if you are important, Obama will be able to blackmail you now. Virtually all politicians commit crimes, so Obama will have a large portion of Congress secretly beholden to him. When he needs them, they will suddenly come through for him.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:49 | 3638248 Seize Mars
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Get over it already?

You fuckwad.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:17 | 3638638 Lore
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Statists are certainly showing their stripes. Suppose it was always thus.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:49 | 3638249 suicidalpsychologist
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You realize it's technically impossible to "record everything" , and that nobody has the tools to browse and select thru all this data right?  Now if you re so butthurt, why dont you stop using the whole internet? again, because you re addicted to the shit they developed, own, and use to sell you crap. That's about the only "threat" about the whole thing. And you re suposed to be smart enough to not fall for it.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:57 | 3639126 noless
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Do you think the nsa uses google? And if so, do you believe that the same results show up for you as for them?

If that's the case then holy shit, no, i wouldn't trust anyone they hired with anything about me, because that's retarded.

That would be like having a professor who went to some chain bookstore and picked up the (insert subject) for dummies book for you and charged you for a full course on the subject.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:46 | 3638239 LetThemEatRand
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This is partly a plan to convince people to stop expressing their 1st Amendment rights for fear of persecution. I've seen many posters here (myself included) proclaim that we're all going to end up in FEMA camps.  That's exactly what they want us to think.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:52 | 3638260 A Lunatic
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I'm planning on ending up as fertilizer over at Farmville........

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:08 | 3638301 F. Bastiat
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It's certainly one of the rules of Alinskyism - the threat is worse than the actual event.  I forget which of Alinsky's rules it is.

In fact, one can easily trace Hussien Obama's delusional marxist nonsense to these three books:

- Rules for Radicals
- The Communist Manifesto
- Nudge

Hussein Obama and his keystone communists are a fucking joke.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 10:20 | 3638936 gnomon
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I ain't goin' to no FEMA camp.  I ain't censoring myself. If they come for me after they pass some fucking ex post facto law, I am shooting them, cutting their heads off, and putting their heads on stakes on my front lawn, (just for chuckles).

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:46 | 3638240 fonzannoon
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Is anyone going to jail over this, other than the people couragous enough to report it?

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 23:41 | 3638497 CaptainObvious
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Damn, but you're optimistic.  I don't see those reporters going to jail.  I see a fatal car accident for one, a heart attack at age 40 for another, a mugging gone bad for another, a gas leak that explodes for another...and on and on it will go until the reporters get the message to tow the company line.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 00:33 | 3638559 Clever Name
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Optimistic is right. You are implying that they are doing something illegal. I'm pretty sure our "elected representatives" are aware of the UT data center and its use.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:47 | 3638242 Iocosus
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They are building detailed profiles for us all. Remember the Georgia Guidestones. Lots of us have to die for their dream to come true.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:52 | 3638252 suicidalpsychologist
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You realize they didnt need to listen to your phone calls to know "everything about you", as governement always had all infos on you they want since birth thanks to all the papers you filled since then. You guys are retarded.

And, newsflash, your sorry existence isnt important enough for them to care... the data megacorporations collect and use is only to target ads.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:12 | 3638320 Iocosus
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You totally miss the point.

 

They develop profiles of your religion, your political views, etc. in order to sort you out. If you might have a problem with their new world vision, you'll be eliminated. It's not big corporations trying to improve their marketing.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:07 | 3639382 samsara
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he/she/it is a troll. don't respond or take it serious. waste of energy

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:57 | 3638429 Ying-Yang
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Are you related to Million Dollar Bonus?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:27 | 3639180 Yes_Questions
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Multiple personalities, but don't tell them..

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:48 | 3638245 Payne
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Are they morons, what can they be using all this data for ?  If it worked they would be giving tips to FBI dailey to arrest people.  Massive government boondoogle !

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3638267 F. Bastiat
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Many, if not most, government contracts are awarded to "minority" contractors as a form of "redistribution" of wealth.  I doubt that half of the NSA's contractor analysts could tell you the square root of 81 without a calculator.

I'd put the odds at 95% that neither of the Obamas can tell you what the square root of 81 is without a calcuator.

Reason isn't their thing.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:36 | 3639552 dizzyfingers
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Payne - may turn out to be massive boondoggle but no matter what they "find" it's an excuse to go on droning Americans and locking up others in FEMA camps, question is when not if...

Whether boondoggle or not, we're still dead or locked up.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3638250 The Heart
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As time moves on here the distractions become more lets say, sensational?

What is happening is a total house cleaning and these criminals are and have been monitored and watched. Now it is time to bring this evil into the light to expose this wicked criminality at every level of that Pyramidic thing. Here is just a little more of the unstoppable truth that will not cease until this kind of darkness is wiped off the map. The lines are well drawn. You live and prosper in the light of the all that is, or perish in the darkness you create. This is the Law. Choose well.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/06/08/224292-the-most-famous-america...

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:50 | 3638253 Jim in MN
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It is full blown psychopathocracy.  The RED ALERT button is being pushed at higher and higher volume.

But there are no adults left within the power structure to lead the psychopaths gently (or forcefully) away, as they have been expecting.  'How the fuck do we keep getting away with this shit?  Surely someone will stop us.'  Nope.

Well Greed, it stole the handle

and the train it won't stop goin'

No way to slow down.....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:51 | 3638254 disabledvet
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Again...and Senator's Wyden et al know this..."this operation is going to blow you away once you see its scope and scale." obviously "mere data collection" is just the starting point.

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:55 | 3638264 criticalreason
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I am sure there weeks and months more for this story to run; it must b very hard for all those american corporations to resist the juicey commercial opportunies that these data must offer them; must b very hard for politicians to resist wondering what all the competitors are up to; what about the multinationals? sure commerical advantage and patriotism go hand in hand? 2+2= human nature

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 02:59 | 3638657 disabledvet
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It's absolutely hilarious that ZH limits this to mere "phone calls"...let alone the President. Nobody cares what you have to say because most likely...no, absolutely..."it's been Saud already." this fact alone alone distills all conversation down to just a few individuals and collectives. Then you need to focus on those who are actual capable of executing on their "up to something-ness." this number is obviously hilariously small as well. And then within that context as well "those who in fact will act." you can't be talking more than 25,000 people...the most dangerous of whom reside in the USA since "that is our job." the whole program should at least be acknowledged...at a certain level it already has been now actually. I doubt if any one person is in charge of "it"...but obviously in owning you via your data then there really is no limit to what can be...and is..."being accomplished."

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 21:54 | 3638268 gimli
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We're so sorry Uncle Clapper but we haven't done a bloody thing all day......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoGCdXT07g&list=PL7DBE973809E50EE4

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:02 | 3638291 gimli
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So, if they are going to be watching us all the time, I think we should make them watch Bjork videos all day long  ...... bwahahahahaha....... This one's for you NSA dweeb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CSiU0j_lFA

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 22:05 | 3638296 gimli
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Thank you sir ..... may I have another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br2s0xJyFEM

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