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Bill Gross On Obama On Bush

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Since everything now is metadata (stored, catalogued and archived by Big Brother), here is a sub-140 character snippet by Gross on Obama on Bush. The bond king appears not very happy that the NSA knows ahead of his daily tweets if he is buying or selling bonds. That said, we too dislike hypocrisy... even if sometimes said hypocrisy comes in the form of buying bonds while telling the world the great bond bull market is over.


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Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:25 | 3639049 holdbuysell
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At least Gross called Obama out. Everybody should be calling these false prophets out.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:38 | 3639075 Careless Whisper
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@ mister gross

Hey pal, it's those type of comments that keep you off the list of people that get advance copies of fed minutes. Keep it up buddy and you will need your accountant on speed dial. You must obey.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:40 | 3639089 AlaricBalth
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The irony is we are paying these sociopaths to spy on ourselves.
It's time to defund these criminals.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:41 | 3639091 alphamentalist
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that is the only way to fight this

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:55 | 3639115 i-dog
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And the ONLY way to achieve that is for you and your community to pressure your sovereign state to secede from the Globalist-controlled United States of America.

Yet even that would only be a start back towards a sensible recovery of the Western, errr, American, Dream.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:08 | 3639146 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Surveillance policy of Bush 42 "puts forward a false choice btw the liberties we cherish & the security we provide." B. Obama 2007

Surveillance policy of Bush 43 "strikes a resonable balance between privacy and security." B. Obama 2013

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:23 | 3639172 Sofa King Confused
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Easiest way to stop all this would be for everybody at the same time tell their employers to stop taking taxes out of your paycheck or you will quit.  But everybody's got to be in on it together.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:58 | 3639237 Kayman
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Employers are compelled by law to deduct payroll taxes, and even if they don't deduct payroll taxes they are DEEMED to have deducted payroll taxes, making them personally liable.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:54 | 3639343 mofreedom
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that's really bat guana if you ask me.  businesses still have the keys to their stores, the control rooms of their businesses, they have gens should their power be cut, gold if their bank accounts get seized, off shore accounts for  future cash receipts, on and on and on...but nobody wants the hassle.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:13 | 3639654 Xaqaria
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What business have you worked for that had a stash of gold in the back office? Sometimes I think that posters here think all businesses are giant hedgefunds and trading firms.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:43 | 3639211 Paveway IV
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It could be worse. Much, much worse:

Surveillance policy of Obama "puts forward a false choice btw the liberties we cherish & the security we provide."

President H. Clinton, 2014

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3639523 TeamDepends
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Clinton/Michelle 2016  It Takes A Vagina

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:21 | 3640373 Clashfan
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Bonjour? Shouldn't it be Bush 41? I realize he's really 40, 42, and 43, but wasn't his official term the 41st? Just sayin'.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:58 | 3639238 HardAssets
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And who is going to 'defund' ?  Your 'representatives' are owned . . . and not by the people.

Any so-called actions they take, are nothing but a smokescreen and another scam. 

IMO the answers will never come out of D.C.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:10 | 3639254 MrPalladium
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We need a national strike in which a large plurality of the muppets lock up their credit cards and stop consuming all but essentials for several months, followed by a massive work stoppage by refusing to show up for work in such numbers that it cripples the economy. The regime will cave, or fedgov collapses.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:42 | 3639790 GeorgeHayduke
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That would work if the sheep would do it, but don't count on it. After about 5 days of this the media would start their propaganda about how people who don't spend are unamerican. Then once the work stoppage begins the corporate-owner protection racket known as the police would start pushing around the wage slaves who decided to not comply with their employers wishes.

If the Tea Party folks thought the IRS games were an indignity, just wait until them and the libertarian types had to actually put themselves in the the way of possible physical harm instead of just talking about revolution and rebellion on message boards while making fun of Occupy folks who have already been there. Not going to happen until they have more to lose by not doing it. Even then, the tea party types are pretty hierarchical and will usually accept their slave owners wishes with the hopes of one day having a few slaves of their own to push around one day instead of rebelling against the system. Oh sure, they'll bitch and moan about things, but only until they themselves get into a better spot higher up the food chain, then they'll protect the corrupt system with their lives as change itself will then be the enemy.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:35 | 3639305 Offthebeach
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"It's our fiat/script printing press. We don't 'need' OUR script back. We print it, not you! So, fuk off."

Signed, The Management.
( Bernank, CB's, et al, LLC in Bahamas & Monrovia, Liberia.)

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:47 | 3639103 kliguy38
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O found out in late 2008 he would be taking orders from the same masters that controlled GW........its getting late in the game for the Supercycle and if need be the paradigm will shift from neo liberalism back to neo conservativism.......then we will have "conservatives" supporting the same agenda and the libs crying against the intrusion of liberties.....We'll still have 800 military bases in 150 countries and the flag wavers will still be taking it up the ass at Wal Mart.......Meanwhile a new season of American Idol will be coming up and your mind numbed kids can get a military scholarship for their Bachelor's degree in Phys Ed

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:07 | 3639140 Bay of Pigs
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And as you know kliguy, those of us that raised those concerns here and on other blogs (Mish's, TFMR, etc...) were called loons and crazies for stating O would be no different.

He certainly hasn't disappointed on that, and in fact, he's worse than almost any other President the country has ever had. Not one campaign promise delivered.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:53 | 3639227 Bad Attitude
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Not one campaign promise delivered.

No quite true (but, I agree with the sentiment).

Dear Leader promised change, and just look at how bad things have become. He didn't promise change for the better, he just promised change.

Forward (over the cliff)!


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:44 | 3639563 Acet
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Yesterday we were at the brink of abyss. Today, we took a step forward,

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:00 | 3639241 Kayman
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When Hope and Change surrounded himself with Goldmanites and other Wall Street ilk, Hope died and nothing Changed.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:13 | 3639263 MrPalladium
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"its getting late in the game for the Supercycle"

Take heart! It is still early in the Grand Supercyle downwave of about 50 years duration which is now upon us!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:11 | 3639258 FeralSerf
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". . . we are paying these sociopaths . . ."

I don't know about you, but I'm not paying them anymore than I'm "paying" the armed robber that says, "your money or your life" when I hand him my wallet.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:39 | 3639313 Lordflin
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Don't think defunding will work, as they are printing the currency... The choices are:

A. Popular uprising...
B. World war...
C. Economic implosion...
D. Worldwide pandemic...

Pick one of the above...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3639629 Xaqaria
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The currency they are printing only has value so long as we continue to use it. Without our participation, the currency is just worthless strips of paper.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:58 | 3639850 DollarMenu
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There is great power in simply stepping away from the system, but it takes some energy to overcome individual inertia.

Who is still banking with TBTF, still on cable, still viewing TV, still buying @ Walmart,Target, Costco, who is still

eating @ any of the chain restaurants/coffee, who is still looking for the answers to come from outside themselves?

That inertia can be a real showstopper.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:06 | 3639499 Fentonbr
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Vote the bums out!


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:33 | 3639548 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Vote the bums out!


Great sarcasm.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:56 | 3639358 Rustysilver
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I think you meant a lawyer on speed dial. For reference see Quest CEO; inside trading and 5 years if you are not on the team.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:45 | 3639327 mofreedom
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obama on bush?  i thought omama was gay?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:10 | 3639386 Randall Cabot
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Gross should expose all the false flags they are using to advance the security canard like the Boston Marathon false flag. Watch this video in full screen with the sound up from about 37 seconds and to 57 seconds and you will see:

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:26 | 3639051 Fukushima Sam
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Can we impeach this jerk yet?

Not that it will matter other than some small sense of satisfaction.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:22 | 3639170 Gringo Viejo
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"Everybody talks about the weather,
but nobody does anything about it." ...Mark Twain

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:27 | 3639058 The Master
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Voted for him. Biggest mistake of my life. Sorry guys.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:31 | 3639068 didyoujustpullt...
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It's not like McCain or Romney would have been better, though they probably would have left our guns alone.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:39 | 3639076 francis_sawyer
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Once again... The misguided, misdirectional sound byte that envokes the "knee JERK' [emphasis on 'JERK'] response of wrangling people into anger towards the person [Bush/Obama], the party [either represents], the ideology [that either party supposedly represents], or the "office" & architecture which flows from the office ~ is really what the problem is...


But then again, what's the use?

Any discussions which attempt to address the ROOT of the problem get subjected to the firing squad of this:

or this:

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:48 | 3639107 kliguy38
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Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:59 | 3639129 LetThemEatRand
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Sunlight is a great disinfectant.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:15 | 3639157 francis_sawyer
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Some people think they're brilliant because they can finish a crossword puzzle...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:17 | 3639155 Money Squid
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ZH exists within the "matrix" and therefore is subject to the rules and politcal and legal pressures of those who control the system. Tyler Durdens thought they exited the system and provided a forum for independent thought but they were wrong. As is to be expected all media will succumb to the wishes of those who are in control and ZH is no different. Its just the way it is.


Oh, and I am reporting you Francis for pointing the painfully obvious

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:30 | 3639169 francis_sawyer
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Oh perfect... "It's just the way it is"


So IOW... People here can spend all day long junking francis_sawyer comments because I tell them that, in spite of the 18 comment long "point counter point" thread hijacks that we often get on ZH between Dan Ackroyd & Jane Curtain, they happen to be, in the process of their diatribe, totally ignoring the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM... But to identify & speak about that ELEPHANT has been deemed offensive by way of propaganda campaign...

Notwithstanding that all of that is TRUE... In the end, when people who told me I was wrong, & now can see that "Conspiracy Theory did indeed become Conspiracy Fact" [Unless you're gonna tell me that it was the 'Bangladeshi Anti Defamation' lawyers, or the 'Luciferian Anti Defamation' lawyers in Switzerland who mobilized pressure on the Tylers]... Well ~ now, that's JUST THE WAY IT IS...

As always... Nonstop comedy on the Hedge... I come here to be entertained by the hypocrisy...


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:39 | 3639198 RSloane
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Why would you care if you get junked? If you believe most people are hypocritical here then you should cherise your down arrows. Will Banzai stated that a down arrow is the only arrow that he knows for sure hit his mark. There are a few people whose comments I read continuously - Fonz, Will Banzai, Doc, LawsofPhyics, yours, and a few others. Laws gets down-arrowed just for posting. Who cares? For those of us that actually read your comments and either agree or disagree, fuck the down arrows. Carry on.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:08 | 3639245 francis_sawyer
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You are actually 100% correct in saying that [which is something that I was going to say ~ but is something left better to point out AFTER someone else has taken the consideration to analyze the distinction]


I don't, in reality, 'lament' the down arrows... To me they're just like mercury in a thermometer... They're a way of understanding three things:

- The mathematical balance of the bias

- WHO is is willing to come out of hiding

- What the relative differential is between how many people are willing to take the podium & offer an argument, versus how many hide behind a 'junk arrow' [which is also known as the "ADL paid shill differential quotient"]...

In any case, the previous commenter was completely 100% correct...

THAT'S THE WAY IT IS... [& the "way" it "is", is exactly as francis_sawyer has observed it to be all along ~ through a forest of denials]...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:01 | 3639484 RSloane
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There is a linearity here that is undeniable and not so subtle. Per your previous post, no I do not think that any group resembling something like the Rwanda Reactionaries for Rhetorical Reverence have anything to do with the kind of hard pressure that I believe the Tylers were subject to. With powerful international bankers come powerful lawyers. So in one breadth we can say Obama is a Muslim and this lends to his terrible presidency because what do you expect from Muslims but cannot say a group of international bankers who outright own one country that apparently matters desperately to the US can lead us to war in an instant, and no one will question it because both falsely dichotomous political party's leaders and their acolytes in the US have said "we got your back"? I offer that only as a question because I wish to be enlightened on the matter by someone who has junked you.

No one will come out of hiding, but they will write emails. Maybe it is "that's the way it is" but that does not mean we have to like it, nor does it mean that I cannot ask simple questions with the hopes of being educated by those who might find you objectionable. The Rwanda Reactionaries for Rhetorical Reverance are looking mighty good about now, aren't they.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:43 | 3639545 francis_sawyer
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"I wish to be enlightened on the matter by someone who has junked you..."


Don't hold your breath expecting that to be forthcoming...

Furthermore ~ I'll add something here that I was going to add as a postscript to a comment that I made later in this thread to MrPalladium... [one needs to read that comment, which includes an historical timeline, to appreciate this ~ though NOBODY WILL, because 'anti-semite' accusations & down arrows are the convenient & expedient substitutes du jour]...

I find it odd that people here on ZH can aptly see that the so called 'policies' of a Bernanke or Obama are not logically connected to any particular ORDER that the world economy is SAID to exist within...

Yet nobody, even HERE, is willing to do a little historical research & realize that the same weird behavior has been going on for centuries (& orchestrated, both using the same style & method, & by the same perps ~ what an unbelievable coincidence [aka: 'Conspiracy Theory YET TO BE UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED AS Conspiracy Fact']

If you include the Rothschilds into the paradigm [& how can you NOT]... You've solved the riddle of:

- The ending of the Bourbon's in France at the time of the French Revolution [which, by proxy, was the end of the 500 year monarchial Hapsburg HRE dynasty]

- Napoleon, Waterloo, & the Rothschild takeover of the BOE [resulting in the Windsors]...

- The War of 1812

- Assasination attempt on Andrew Jackson & subsequent ramifications

- The Civil War

- Reuters News Service

- Jeckyll Island

- WWI [& more importantly how it started & how it was funded]

- The Bolshevik Revolution

- Stalin

- Hitler, the Nazis, & WW2

- The Balfour Agreement > Treaty of Versailles > United Nations

- The 'State' of Israel

- Vietnam

- The Kennedy Assasination

- 'Civil Rights' & 'Johnson's Great Society'

- The race to the moon

- 'Women's Lib'

- 9/11

But then again... I guess francis_sawyer is just fucking John Nash... Handy with maps, thumbtacks, yarn, scissors, & magazines... What I need is a straightjacket instead [which are amply provided by the censors at large]...

People who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it... Or, perhaps better... "You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality"...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:26 | 3639704 disabledvet
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"it's different this time." the ability to spy on people in 2008 was a hell of lot less capable than in 2013. and in two more years...2015...the ability to "razzle dazzle" with the data will truly be staggering. and that's what we're not being told by the media which...obviously...get's a"piece of the action" in the form of information sharing. forget "buying reporters." this is about actually writing the news before it even happens....and then reading about it in all the major newspapers. needless to say "the only story you don't want to read is the one about your Agency or yourself" so it is understandable that there is much gnashing of the teeth here. suffice to say "this story is only as good as run with it" major media outlets." obviously ZH is stuffed with hackers so there is a good cop/bad cop problem here. the point being this transcends political beliefs. i really would like to know how those die hard libertarians are doing on the left here. when did all of them become vengeful, spiteful, islam hating, dictatorial loving, god hating, baby scrambling, statists? i mean if you can't hate these people...ALL of these people...left, right, front and can't hate anything.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:04 | 3640118 francis_sawyer
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My comment above [which has received ZERO acknowledgement from either way ~ Largely, probably due to what I suspect to be the "HUH~WHA?" aptitude of most folks], could "easily" be intercepted by the gung-ho n'ere-do-well "Anti-Conspiracy, Conspiracy activists"... That's all logical & expected...

But to IGNORE it would be akin to also ignoring 9/11 'Truthers', or, even something so banal as 'The Clinton Body Count'... As always... justfuckinggoogleit...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:32 | 3640413 Bay of Pigs
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I always try to put things into a historical perspective and I appreciate the post francis.

This Pure Evil guy who has hounded me all day calling me a racist and Nazi doesn't appear to understand or comprehend the importance of history.

(shaking my head in disgust)


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:38 | 3639206 Bay of Pigs
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Looks like Francis has his Team Red and Blue supporters out his morning. Or is it Team PC? Too funny. Anyone touching the cause of the US political problems (Global Zionist Banksters) gets a red arrow or is marginalized as a racist?

Some people need to wake the fuck up around here. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:15 | 3639252 Pure Evil
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But, why does one need racial animosity to expound on the global banksters criminal cabal.

Jews are not the only racial group running this crime cartel. Or, is Obama 1/500th jewish?

Can't you continue to explain your views without resorting to jew bashing, or is that the real agenda?

You know, it's one thing to dislike jews, but somewhat hypocritical to use the global zionist banksters facade to spread your apparent dislike of the hebrew race.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:19 | 3639272 fonzannoon
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I hope you just cancelled your plans for the rest of the day.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:28 | 3639284 Bay of Pigs
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Who said anything about Jews? I didn't. Go ahead, be a blockhead on this and call me a closet racist. 

Some of my best friends are Jews, so go fuck yourself.  


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:36 | 3639300 Pure Evil
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Thanks for keeping the converstion on this beautiful Sunday civilized.

But, obviously you can have Jew friends and still be anti-semitic. Some high level Nazis were known for keeping their favorite pet Jews from being sent to the concentration camps.

And, telling me to go fuck myself won't make it happen. You should really try to come up with a better Ad Hominem attack. Sounds like your really straining the IQ level to come up with something intelligent to say other than fuck you.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:42 | 3639320 Bay of Pigs
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You call me a racist and now a Nazi and I'm the Ad Hom attacker?

HAHAHA....nice logic. How pitiful.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:47 | 3639332 Pure Evil
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I think we're gonna be friends. You seem to take everything personally. I like that. Now all I have to say is gay and you'll probably take that as calling you a homosexual.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:01 | 3639488 chumbawamba
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Is there something wrong with being "anti-Semetic", considering most of the people who are presently fucking up our world mis-identify themselves as "Semites"?  Is it now also disreputable to be anti-child-rapist?

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:49 | 3639570 Pure Evil
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Well, the way we're going, even being anti-pedophile will be seen as a form of discrimination.

You, already have NAMBLA petitioning to be recognized instead vilified.

In some cultures, sex with children is seen acceptable, case in point here. You have all kinds of folks flying to Cambodia/Thailand to have sex with children, US citizens prosecuted under Bush, but not so much now. Cuba is now the hotspot to go to have sex with underage teenagers and children, see here.

We now accept gay marriage, probably will soon have polygamy as an acceptable behavior (of course what man doesn't think he can handle multiple women).

If you stand in the grocery isle and choose one brand of coffee over another will you be accused of discrimination?

It's a Brave New World out there, get ready to have all your traditions trashed.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:30 | 3639438 giddy
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....ummmm...Askanazi KHAZARIANs are NOT semitic... nope...nada...not one says Johns Hopkins genome be more precise...AKs are the children of turkic tribes and genghis khan... DNA cousins to the Boston bombers...but Palestinians ARE semitic...and NOT zionists... read some history asshole...oh...and FUCK YOU...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3639482 Pure Evil
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Ok, you little gay asshole, but I won't be givin no reach arounds though.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:47 | 3639566 booboo
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Might as well be Apache's in three piece suits.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:58 | 3639598 francis_sawyer
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Thanks for the laugh... [& here it was]...

So when you think about it... For prolly 90+% of the dupes out there, when they hear the term "God's CHOSEN PEOPLE", little do they know that GOD [ostensibly, presumably, & by populace] has pre-selected the offspring of Ghengis Khan to lord over the planet...

You just can't make this stuff up :-)...

Sorry kito... I don't think I've ever been to a Banana Republic or a Jos A Bank, but do they sell Ghengis Khan fashion in there?... Or ~ Did Ghengis Khan wear khakis?... More importantly... WAS Ghengis Khan [in consideration of himself] his khakis [according to the Tyler Durden model]?...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:31 | 3639295 Pure Evil
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Look, I never had a problem with anyone's comments on the ZH forum. And, ZH was hyper tolerant of a lot of stuff that was posted on its forum. (Although there were a few times when PC madness got a few people kicked off early on.)

But, ZH's servers are not locate on Mars and as such ZH is bound by the laws of the land where the servers are located. If the servers are located in Europe, then you have to realize that those assholes are extremely hyper-sensitive to any form of anti-semitism. Remember that period of history between say the death of Christ and 1945?

Fact of the matter is ZH is probably always one step away from being shut down by these PC Nazis. So, it kinda comes down to whether you'd rather have ZH around with their policy against racial discrimination, or would you rather see them shut down by overzealous authorities trying to shut you up.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:39 | 3639302 francis_sawyer
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Yup people... THAT'S THE WAY IT IS... STFU because 2% of the worlds population gets a bug up their ass if you make any observation that you dislike the fact that they're sticking their dick in yours...


Here is the Pure Evil comment:

"But, why does one need racial animosity to expound on the global banksters criminal cabal."

My answer [as always]:

- Explain to me how & why the "global banksters criminal cartel" is impossibly, mathematically represented... Or, if it isn't, please share your data to prove otherwise...

- Explain to me how pointing [the above] out equates to "racial animosity"


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:41 | 3639315 Pure Evil
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Well, if you don't like the policy, go back to what you were doing originally before the policy was implemented.

Don't let the ZH policy or the 2% of the population stop you from what you were posting.

Show some balls and go back to posting what ever it was you were posting before ZH implemented its racial discrimination policy.

I'm all for you speaking your mind on the Jewish Problem.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:45 | 3639323 francis_sawyer
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& miss the chance to have intellectual debates with enlightened persons like yourself?... Not a chance!


& by the way ~ I'll be waiting for you to go ahead & pull up that veritable 'cornucopia' of francis_sawyer comments which PROVES beyond a shadow of a doubt what a racist I am...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:53 | 3639345 Pure Evil
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Who cares if your a racist. Haven't met a person that wasn't a racist. Haven't mey anyone that didn't have something crass to say about some group of people.

And, I can't bother myself with to look back at your inconsequential thoughts that you've posted since you joined this little forum.

But, the point remains the same. You whine and gnash your teeth about the racial discrimination policy, but at the same time you buckle under its supposedly suppresive effects.

I encourage you to continue to speak your mind about any all cheesepopemonkeys, but at the same time, you should refrain from using any metaphors to hide your contempt of the God chosen people.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:09 | 3639385 resurger
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Not all of you are god's chosen people, god's chosen people are the ones like Einstein, Chomsky and Finkelstein.

Who are you?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:21 | 3639412 francis_sawyer
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A guy who chooses a devil smoking a cigar with an evil grin as an avatar & acting as lily pure hall monitor for the cause of his interpretation of 'God's Chosen People'


You just can't make this shit up ~ lol

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:33 | 3639443 Pure Evil
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Well, only the angels are gods real chosen people, but since I'm a fallen angel I can't say I'm one of gods chosen few.

I think its funny that Francis has buckled under the racial discrimination policy even though he continues to whine about how it supresses his 1st amendment rights.

Will be waiting to see if he stops using his metaphorical cheesepope and goes back to using his favorite racial tag before the policy was implemented.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:52 | 3639565 tickhound
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"...And Harrison Ford is a quarter Jewish, NOT TOO SHABBY!...."

Sorry.  Got that song stuck in my head now.  Dats not rayciss right zh?

Related:  I heard basketball hoops are going up in greater frequency in downtown Tokyo.  Personally, I don't think its gonna make one 8-ball of muffuggen diff-ERNCE in the NBA.  Izzat rayciss?

If so, my position is that they haven't LEARNED to be tall enough yet.  I heard somewhere this line can protect you from ramifications. 

We're all the same, I heard.  Greyhounds run races cuz Bulldogs haven't LEARNED to be faster.  They need better ACCESS to racetracks.   

It's not that I can't be a money-grubbing disproportionately represented greedy lying sack of thief shit with a smile on my face while I fuck you over... I just don't have ACCESS to being one.  This ability seems too disproportionately represented in modern economics. 

Believe in fairy tales and deny the facts.  It's the THEME in our world regarding just about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE.

Personally, I believe in fairy tales.  I say this to confuse the policy enforcement squads.  It's true.  I do.  On both accounts.  See?

Final disclaimer:  We're all the same.  Exactly the same.  Like my fu-fu dog to my Rot.  It's about access.  Certain dick in certain hole type access.  One must learn HOW to be tall, like the Tokyo-ians. 

And don't reply to me anyone on this matter.  I prefer to let the usual suspects/culprits/former biologists and scientists and now criminals/and now the ostracized, stake their positions.


"We need to come together" and LIMIT ACCESS to ANYONE wishing to become a selfish, narcissistic money-grubbing lying sack of shit with a smile on his face while he fucks you over person. 

We should be EQUAL in our efforts to do this and not discriminate AT ALL whether yellow, white, black, or blech-thief regarding these disproportionately represented positions of power and control. 

Unfortunately, some groups MAY be affected more than others.  But zh refuses any further discussions into who or which group(s) this may be. 

Not directed at you PureEvil.  Just felt like squawkin'.  Carry on boys.  Vent.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3639624 francis_sawyer
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"Will be waiting to see if he stops using his metaphorical cheesepope..."


I've identified... SEVERAL TIMES... That 'cheesepopes' are the name of a mixed league softball team, in Charlottesville, VA, circa the early 1980's...

Any possible 'metaphors' that you might ascribe to the term are purely the product of your own fantasy...

Disambiguation... as it turns out... can be FUN!...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:51 | 3639823 LongBallsShortBrains
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You are the kind of person who has the ability to see the merit of my lawsuit (class action of course) against the systemic discrimination against non black children in the physical education classes of almost all the schools in America.

Is it a coincidence that Reggie, Lebrun, Tyrone, and Rufus all run faster than their non black classmates? What are the chances?

It must be that racist teachers are keeping non blacks from running as fast. We demand equality!!!!! Teach the rest of us how to walk like a chicken, run like a greyhound , and dunk like the back children. Don't discriminate because we are a different color.... Please where is the humanity?

Am I the only slow non African who sees a pattern of discrimination here?

Let me guess..... The test is biased against me..... Yeah that has to be it.... Racist stopwatch.....

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:37 | 3639309 Bay of Pigs
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They will probably shut this place down eventually and most of us already know that.

So what's your point in calling people like me a racist? I find your comment highly offensive. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:41 | 3639317 francis_sawyer
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"Civilized" [in the minds of some people] equates to ignoring elephants in rooms...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:44 | 3639325 Pure Evil
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I never said Mr. Pigs was a racist. You for some reason took my worthless opinion and took it personaly.

Hell, I'm a big fucking racist. I have no problem admitting that I'm a fucking racist.

I walk down the street and see black people, asian people, white people. I can discriminate between the different races.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:54 | 3639331 francis_sawyer
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This conversation is over... See you in hell... I'm definitely not passing thru the pearly gates because I had the audacity to question why an impossible number of his "Chosen Ones" run banking, MSM propaganda, jurisprudence, & political activism... You'd have thought they'd all end up in the clergy... My bad for misguided thinking...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:01 | 3639367 Pure Evil
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I don't have any problem with your point of view. ZH does. But, to me its their website and they can impose any rules they wish. If we don't like it we have to find a different venue. Those are the facts of life. Its the new reality. And, those that are incapable of conforming will, sadly, probably be booted from the site.

I thought for sure I might get the boot because I said some pretty nasty things about mooo-slims the other day.

So, if anything I'm just as guilty as you are.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:52 | 3639581 Henry Hub
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Oh no, you can badmouth, smear, stereotype and slander the Moslems all you want. It only the other ethic-religious group (whose name we dare no speak) that will get you banned.

""To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." -Voltaire

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:39 | 3639454 giddy
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...ummmm...or maybe on the front lines fighting AQ in the ME...nah...leave that to the fly-over state goys... the ones coming back without limbs... to protect zionism... whilst the AKs blood and treasure safely graze at ivy-league coffee bars...ahhhhh... its GOOD to be an elite ZIONIST

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:49 | 3639335 Bay of Pigs
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You posted this right under my comment,

"Can't you continue to explain your views without resorting to jew bashing, or is that the real agenda?"


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:54 | 3639354 Pure Evil
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Dude you just got in the way cause you posted right under Francis. Not trying to tie you in to anything, just trying to have fun with Francis.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:51 | 3639319 MrPalladium
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There is a critical distinction to be made between jews as a group, and jewish power over institutions and industries. One cannot talk sensibly about reforming the "system" unless one understands the interests and agenda - not necessarily shared by the younger generation BTW - of that segment of the Jewish population that exerts enormous influence. For a full description of this power and influence you would be a fool to take Francis word for it when you can take it directly from the horses mouth.

Jews and American Politics, a classic by Stephen Issacs.

The Fatal Embrace, by Benjaman Ginsberg

Jewish Power, by J.J. Goldberg

Also the rather stunning introduction to "The Authoritarian Personality" by Theodor Adorno et. al. in which it is branzenly declared that only whites are capable of racism. Yes you have it on the authority of the American Jewish Committee, sponsor and publisher of that tome, that the Japanese and Chinese are, by implication, utterly incapable of ethnocentrism or racism.

So is pointing out the fact that Jewish authors discuss the effects and consequences of Jewish power, but that we are not allowed to discuss what we may percieve as the harmfull effects of such power hatefull and racist towards the entire group?

Even when we acknowledge the complete innocence of the proverbial "Jewish dentist from Peoria" who is not at all involved with the issue?

Back in the 1950s and 1960s there were many hundreds of thousands of references to the power and villainy of evil wasps published in the major newspapers and the media of the day. Now that they have been utterly displaced in the power structure are we not allowed to discuss the power and the agenda of the victors in that struggle and the agendas of the victors?


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:58 | 3639477 francis_sawyer
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"Back in the 1950s and 1960s there were many hundreds of thousands of references to the power and villainy of evil wasps published in the major newspapers and the media of the day."

Rothschild purchased Reuters as far back as 1888, so it doesn't take much thought to understand who has controlled the media for over a centrury...

In America ~ the 'takeover' process has been on slow simmer... It took:

- The expiration of the charter of the FIRST BANK OF THE UNITED STATES [which was immediately followed by the British Invasion & burning of Washington during the War of 1812]

- The expiration of the SECOND BANK OF THE UNITED STATES [which resulted in an assasination attempt on Andrew Jackson]

- The Civil War [which resulted in the assasination of Lincon perhaps because he supported "greenbacks" as a useful currency]

- after two more presidential assasinations, finally, Warburg's 'Jeckyl Island' creature to become the Fed in 1913

- the almost immediate start of the 'debt machine' called WWI & America's inevitable involvement

- The Bolshevik Revolution

- Hitler, the NAZI party, & WW2 [& the inspired 'jingoism' that the previous 3 line items represent]

It took the succession of all those events to morph 'culture' [especially a multi-hybrid culture] into having a sense of self identity... So it is only AFTER that that you can seek to DIVIDE the same culture along RACIAL, or even GENDER lines [as what happened with 'Civil Rights', & 'Women's Lib']...

IOW ~ It appears to take almost 2 centuries to castrate white males... The villianization of 'EVIL WASPS' of the 50's & 60's were just part of the narrative that fit that chapter of the story...

This summary brings about the obvious question... Why focus on the castration of white males?... The answer is that white males represent, largely, the alpha dogs that are going to call you on your bullshit... The characteristics of those dogs must be neutered...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:24 | 3640192 Pure Evil
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Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Its time to put down the Turner Diaries and learn to love your fellow human beings.

I think you're obsessed with this stuff.

So if we were to come by your house for a visit you wouldn't be hoarding all kinds of Nazi regalia and white supremacists literature by chance would ya.

Well, at least you stick to your guns, no matter what the outcome.

But, I can just see you in the future in some Obamacare nursing home bitching at the staff cause they're all blacks and La Raza types and blaming it all on the Protocol of the Elders of Zion.

It's time to drop the illusions and focus on survival.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:12 | 3640533 francis_sawyer
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Your comment pretty much demonstrates the differential between your assumptions & reality...


I GROW a lot of shit on my acreage... Around me, there are plenty of folks who grow their own shit too... But what I'm especially adept at growing are particular 'herbs' [which even the hillbillies around here don't understand quite so well ~ But I lived in rural Italy for a dozen years, learned their 'ways' & now, finally, kind of understand] ... Rosemary, Thyme, Sage, Tarragon, Marjoram, Oregano, Sage, Lavender, Parsley, Cilantro, Cumin, Chamomille, Dill, St. Johns Wort, etc]...

I BEG them to take my excess, rip out my roots, plant them on their own properties, use them in their own cooking & healing...

As well, because of the terrain... There are a lot of 'fitness enthusiasts'... Mostly 6-figure government hacks who think they've made it to the big time because thy can afford a $1,000 bike, the kitchy duds to wear while they're riding them, and the 'king of the world' attitude that they're SOLVING THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS by way of their 6 figure salaries [which they're using to pay a Mexican to cut their grass] while they get some country fresh air & sunshine & 'train' for their triathlon which they'll be rewarded with a '336th' place medal for achieving... I put up SIGNS for most of these stupid motherfucking fucks to take what they want, FOR FREE, & barely get a nibble [just this morning there were about 8 of them that passed by within 3 meters of me while looking at me with dumbshit looks on their faces while I was cutting my grass]...

Yeah ~ It's time to drop illusions & focus on survival...


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:31 | 3639286 francis_sawyer
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@Bay of Pigs


LOL ~ You're right... It IS funny... All I was basically trying to say in the first place was that the Bill Gross comment immediately beelined focus towards Obama & Bush [which, by proxy, gets people arguing about the more minor, & perhaps irrelevant issue of partisanship]...

This shit happens 24/7 under everyones nose hardly without notice... It is almost impossible for me to visit my family members [even though I love my family], because inevitably at some point they'll be watching one of the glorified police state shows on TV, talking about stocks, or watching the evening news... Somebody will be watching CSI & I'll just blurt out "GOOD COPS ~ BAD PEOPLE" [while some detective is busting down somebody's door just because they have beady eyes & the narrative has led you to believe that]...

Forget about 9/11 or the Boston Marathon... I made a comment here on ZH the day after Boston to the effect of "I'm taking the PATRIOTS, RIGHT NOW at 6-1, to win the SuperBowl next year [because the whole sports world is tied in to all this bullshit as well]"... Hell ~ I didn't even have to wait... The Red Sox [who everybody predicted to suck] are in 1st place, & the Bruins [who were only #3 seed], are in the Stanley Cup Finals...

BASTIN' STRANG bitchez... [rolls eyes]...



- ORB [the all seeing eye] wins the Kentucky Derby

- OXBOW [the burden they make you carry] wins the Preakness

- PALACE MALICE [the "agenda"] wins the Belmont

OOP's ~ How did that happen?


@Pure Evil

It is entirely YOUR folly to believe you can publish a comment that characterizes what I think or feel... Especially when all I've ever done is to ASK how a mathematically impossible asymmetry could be achieved... But you can be my guest, do some homework, & come up with a laundry list of francis_sawyer comments that actually document the HATE that I supposedly feel...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:36 | 3639447 Pure Evil
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Ok francis, don't get your panties all twisted in knot.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:28 | 3639715 francis_sawyer
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Chicks dig me, because I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's usually something unusual... But now I know why I have always lost women to guys like you... I mean, it's not just the uniform... It's the stories that you tell... So much fun and imagination...I mean PURE EVIL you are a madman... When you stole that cow & then your friends tried to make it with the cow... I wanna party with you man...

Oh wait!

"If any of you homos try to touch me... I'll kill you"...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:30 | 3639730 Pure Evil
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Francis, he shoots, he scores, slam dunk, three points.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:21 | 3639901 francis_sawyer
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Slam dunking was a feat that the great Michael Jordan never even accomplished from further than the the foul line [let alone the NBA 3 point line]...


Only one I can think of that mighta been able to do that was NC States David Thompson, [or otherwise maybe one of the 'Revenge of the Nerds' frat boys]... Unless, of course, that my 'three points' was gained by slam dunking over someone's ass while palming their head Blake Griffin style, was awarded a 'foul' on the play, & proceeded to swish the free throw...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:03 | 3639615 Henry Hub
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***subject to the rules and politcal and legal pressures of those who control the system***

The Tylers had to have been subject to enormous pressure. They moved their servers to Switzerland and they still went after them. We have seen time and again people removed from their positions, careers ruined. People hounded and smeared for speaking out. These are ruthless people and they have no moral scruples. They will stop at nothing.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:28 | 3639703 Pure Evil
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I can understand from ZH's point of view. They want to provide a forum where financial issues are discussed. I think their original intent was to allow people to talk openly about the financial issues in regards to our world economy.

Admittedly conspiracy theories about the ethnicity of the people that runs the global criminal bankster cabal is tangentially appropriate, but nearly meaningless, in my opinion.

I think what threw them over the edge was when a couple posts about an article on Israel bombing weapons caches in Syria the anti-semitism posts went ballistic and maybe they had had enough.

They might have been thinking that this was not their original intent when they started this website, or maybe that's just my personal interpretation of what's going on.

I remember looking at the posts and thinking this was trouble. And, the very next day the new policy was put into effect.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:03 | 3639876 francis_sawyer
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"They want to provide a forum where financial issues are discussed. I think their original intent was to allow people to talk openly about the financial issues in regards to our world economy..."



4 years ago... Most people [including myself], were perhaps persuaded into thinking that the 'WORLD ECONOMY' was actually something that was subject to 'market forces' [which were not capable of being subject to manipulation by power or control that resided in the hands of a few]...

That has undeniably been proven [with considerable effort, mind you, ON THE PART of ZH] to be a false assumption...

So despite what you want to romantically think the 'mission statement' of Zero Hedge to be [&/or 'continues to be']... Your statement has, in the process of time, been ground into dust [largely by the revelations & unearthings by ZH itself]...

IOW ~ to ABIDE by your romantcally ascribed definition of what ZH is, or was about... To consider or hope for ZH to continue to be relevant must assume that the ACTUAL 'mission statement' is TRUTH... More specifically ~ if the TRUTH is simply going to be, in the thread topics, a disambiguous & androgyneous storyline... Then the TRUTH must be battered, revealed, & laid bare in the comment section...

So, I suppose if you still remain reticent to discuss the fucking ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM... Then we're simply down to cracking jokes from this moment forward...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:24 | 3639921 Henry Hub
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I will agree with you that some of the posts were "over the top" and I would have been offended if I were a Jew. However there is a wider context, especially in the MSM, of control and censorship of all speech concerning Israel and the power of the Zionist lobby (we should be able to discuss this without slandering all Jews). This is concerning and seem to be coupled with other forms of censorship and control that is taking hold. A free society is best served by openness and free speech and we seem to be getting less and less everyday.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:52 | 3640079 Pure Evil
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A few of the posts were over the top?


So far, I see a lot of pontificating but no actual venting against the supposed gods chosen people.

Seems a lot of folks believe in free speech but are still buckling under the new policy requirements.

I say let loose the gods of war and be damned the consequences.

As if everyone has the existential right to say anything they want without constraint.

Its amazing how some people have the balls to vent their views on a website but if asked to head to Israel and do the same publicly they would be rather hesitant if not downright refuse. Don't let the fact that the goya are heavily armed stop you.

Sorta like a white racist talking trash about the niggers but when driving through darky town they slink down in the seat hoping not to get noticed and hoping to find the nearest way out of there.

I can just see a bunch of KKK'ers driving through certain sections of Miami, FL and shouting out the window, "hi yall are, you bunch of niggers".


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:31 | 3640208 francis_sawyer
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I suppose I should applaud you for coming up with the only defense you could possibly have in your bag at the moment...


That is... Like a 1950's style HOTRODDER PUNK... To use the "chicken" trap...

Last I checked... That tactic only worked on Michael J Fox in "Back To the Future"... You'll have to try harder Biff... [or do you consider yourself more the 'Cornwallis' type]?...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:23 | 3640380 Henry Hub
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***if asked to head to Israel***


I've been to Israel, and let me tell there is far most open discussion about issues in the media and in conversations than is allowed in the US. Of course this freedom isn't extended to Palestinians.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:14 | 3640575 francis_sawyer
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"this freedom isn't extended to Palestinians"


Gosh Golly Gee Wow ~ sounds a lot like Zero Hedge [past Mid-May 2013]... But I'm sure that no 'agenda' lies therein... Carry On people... As if NOTHING HAD EVER HAPPENED...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:38 | 3639082 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Disagree.  I think either of those two statist knuckleheads would have ridden the wave of popular sorrow and gotten some more federal civilian disarmament measures actually instituted, with the help of statist churchian mommies and their whipped white knighting daddies.


Remember, Romney is a grabber!


So, frankly, I think Obama's been a tonic for gun rights: his hamfisted actions have galvanized pro-gun-liberty supporters and activists, and he's driven the # of civilian ownership of guns thru the roof.  He's sold MILLIONS of modern sporting rifles and BILLIONS of rounds of ammo to civilians, which leave us in a better position to defend ourselves against enemies foreign and domestic.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:59 | 3639364 mofreedom
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i didnt vote at all cause i'm pretending to be an illegal alien...may come in handy some day.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:02 | 3639133 Meat Hammer
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Voted for him. Biggest mistake of my life. Sorry guys.


I didn't know whether to junk you for voting for BO or up-arrow you for admitting your mistake.  Since most slobbering Obama puppies don't even know they fucked up, or wouldn't admit it if they did, I chose the latter.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:49 | 3639196 Pure Evil
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Well, shouldn't the BushBots also get on here and apologize for voting for tyranny in the first place? (Well, maybe not the first election, but, certainly the second election after the Patriot Act was implemented, and misled into the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.)

The reasons people used for voting for Tyrannosaurus Rex II are the same reasons people used for voting for the original Tyrannosaurus Rex, albeit, they used a different PRISM (looking glass).

And yes, the BushBots were looking for hope and change after the Clinton years.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:40 | 3639316 Meat Hammer
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Absolutely.  I write in Andrew Jackson on my ballot.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:05 | 3639374 MrPalladium
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A better choice is Jimmy Polk, the last president to actually run the country - worked 14 hour days, read every bill introduced in Congress, ran at a distance and with a month long communications lag the War with Mexico 1846 -1848 and imposed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:42 | 3639456 Pure Evil
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I like your style. It doesn't matter who you vote for, your gonna get exactly who they want.

Might as well vote for Mary Poppins for all the good it does.

Got to hand it to Gore though, at least he bucked the system and kept trying for the brass ring.

Wouldn't doubt though that the whole thing was a set up to get all the BushBots to rally around Bush so that when they invoked the 9/11 tragedy all the BushBots would stand behind their Frankenstein monster and rally us into war wrapped in the American flag.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:09 | 3639480 Bay of Pigs
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You are really on a roll today. Who are "they" and how and why are they brainwashing us?

And since "bankster, globalist and zionist" are offensive, please tell us what terms and descriptions are acceptable to use around here without ruffling the PC feathers?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3639530 Pure Evil
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I don't find anything offensive. As I've recommended to Francis. Use any terms you like on this forum. I don't have a problem with it. I just tired of hearing everyone whine about how they're free speech rights are being suppressed. But, then they buckle under the policy. Stand up and be counted. Say anything you want about the Global Zionist Bankster cabal. Code words for Jews run the world.

Be as racist as you want, I don't give two fly squats. The 1st amendment of the Constitution guarantees your right to express your views even on this forum.

Well, then again, maybe not since the servers are supposedly located in Switzerland and the 1st amendment has no binding in law in that country. So, I guess if someone used anti-semitic speech on this website they fall under the jurisdiction of EU laws and could be prosecuted under those laws since all data is stored in Switzerland.

If you have a problem with the racial discrimination policy take it up with Zero Hedge. But, in the meantime feel free to use any form of speech that you feel is appropriate that will allow you to express your views of the world.

Dare I say, carpe diem, go out and ruffle those PC feathers.

And, I don't know who they are. I guess they are whoever chose Obama to be POTUS and then used the media to railroad him into office. How do you take a nobody community organizer from Chicago and transform him into POTUS? Admittedly a lot of other nobodies have been made POTUS, so we shouldn't be so surprised by this time either.

Millions less people voted for Obama in the last election, and Romney did his best to piss off the Ron Paul voters at the Republican convention so they would sulk and stay away from the polls.

Plus we have Diebold counting the votes without a paper trail and. As its been said before, "its not the ballots that count, its who's counting the ballots."

So, you tell me. Did "We the People" elect Obama, or was he thrust onto us like Bush?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:01 | 3639611 Bay of Pigs
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You danced nicely around the question without answering anything. If you cannot connect the dots as to who "they" are, then you haven't learned a thing hanging around this place. 

Not all banksters, globalists and zionists are jewish. The fact you throw them all together just shows your own bias on the matter. Calling people racists for telling the truth about the banking cabal (BIS) doesn't help your argument one bit. I'm calling you out for being wrong, not for being an assole or a racist.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:16 | 3639665 Pure Evil
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You expect me to believe the assholes that comment on this forum have any true idea who runs the world?

I would say that 100% percent have no idea who runs the world. Some people think its the Jews, some think its the Ashkenazis, some think its the Bilderbergers, some think its the Masons, some think its the Illuminati, some think its the luciferians or the stanists, some think its a bunch of Reptilians, others think the extraterrestrial Greys are running the world.

Then you have some people claiming that they're descended from ancient Eygptians, while the Nazi's believed they were descended from Aryans.

So if at least one of these so-called groups run the world, who in the fuck is running the universe?

Just because some numb-nut comes on here and claims this group or that group runs the world that I'm supposed to take them seriously?

You can provide all the links to all the websites you want, doesn't prove a thing.

All information is a lie. All information is disinformation. All information is brainwashing.

Believe what you want. It won't matter anyway. Its all a bunch of gobbeldygook bullshit.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:01 | 3639858 Bay of Pigs
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So you go Full Retard who has no idea about anything going on in the world or who runs the banking cabal? (I see you didn't answer the question again but instead went ad hom on the posters here).

Depressing talking to you. You have no hope at all?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:32 | 3639996 Pure Evil
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I think I answered your question.

You seem to think you know who runs the world, much less the global banks.

Well, tell us exactly who it is.

Enlighten the rest of us with your supreme knowledge.

Now its your turn to dance lightly around the subject.

Either that, or give us the full force of your delusions.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:23 | 3640379 Bay of Pigs
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I claim no such knowledge, but I don't dismiss many of the factual things that have been shown to you today (as a matter of historical record). You wallow in your own ignorance saying "nobody knows anything". And that's your answer? LOL.

The BIS is the central bank of all central banks. Are you suggesting they have no power and influence over all of mankind? Are you really this stupid or just trolling?  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:04 | 3639493 koncaswatch
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OK guys... I apologize for voting.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:11 | 3639150 Kiss My Iceland...
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You should apologize for voting at all. Boycott all these clowns and criminals.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:23 | 3639174 imapopulistnow
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"Voted for him. Biggest mistake of my life. Sorry guys"

So did I - first time that is. 

I downvoted you (and myself) because we deserve it!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:08 | 3639250 The Master
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It's okay. I deserve it. I was only the first time as well. Abstained from the process in 2012. I won't be hoodwinked ever again.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:30 | 3639298 Kayman
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So what's the choice ?

Voting should be compulsory, but it must include None of the Above on the ballet.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:12 | 3639508 koncaswatch
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-1 "compulsory"

+1 "None of the Above"

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:21 | 3639277 FeralSerf
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I didn't vote for that son of a bitch and I didn't vote for the son of a bitch that ran against him either.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:50 | 3639065 Whatta
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Rebuttal by MSM and Obama adminstration to charges of illegal spying...

..."yeah, so what. THEY (Bush Admin) did it too"

So the circular logic of they did it so we can do it placates the minions in America.

All is good. Surveil away in peace Government, 'til we are all in jail for some strange thought we (once) had and typed out, or spoke, or looked into a mirror during.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:55 | 3639118 LetThemEatRand
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I was at a bar Friday night, and I overheard two guys actually saying that they have no problem with being surveilled for national security, and that it was all Jimmy Carter's fault anyway.  Yes, Jimmy Carter.   No lie.  So in a single conversation they covered the "hey, I don't need no Constitutional rights because I'm not breaking any law right now and besides there's a boogie man out to get me and I'm a scared little bitch," and "Go Red Team."   They were basically okay with any amount of spying so long as a Republican is in charge.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:17 | 3639165 RSloane
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I could show you exactly the same with liberals very comfortable with Obama and his NSA/IRS debacles. In fact, some online sites are devoted to it. Not sure what point you are trying to make but for someone who supposedly eschews the left/right red/blue paradigms I find your example interesting to say the least. 

Lastly, find another bar.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:50 | 3639209 Pure Evil
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Won't make a difference. Was perusing through the brainwashing cable channels and came across a local early morning show where the hosts were discussing how important it was that our government be allowed to monitor our electronic communications to protect us from terrorists.

Talk about doing your best to polish a turd.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:53 | 3639229 LetThemEatRand
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And MSM is already trotting out the meme that the only reason we're all still alive and not killed by some evil doer in a cave halfway across the world, is the constant surveillance.  Of course the fact that this is complete and utter bullshit will be lost on 95% of America, who will continue to debate in bars about whose team should be spying on them.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:18 | 3639268 Pure Evil
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And, they're constantly harping on how such and such terrorist attack was stopped cause of the constant surveillance. But, yet, they were incapable of stopping the Boston bombers before they placed their pressure cooker bombs at the end of the marathon race.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:11 | 3639915 Totentänzerlied
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No, you do not understand the internal logic of power.

Here's a simple question whom someone with a red-devil avatar ought to appreciate:
Q: The security and intelligence apparatus learns of a planned terrorist attack, is it better served attempting to prevent the attack, which may fail, or doing nothing, and then claiming it lacks adequate resources to do its job after the attack happens, if it happens?

Similarly, does the MIC profit more from peace, or from war?

Do police budgets increase when crime rates fall, or when they rise?

Cui f'ing bono. This dynamic is INHERENT in these systems. This class of institutions benefit more from failure to do their job than success in doing their job - anyone who is surprised as to why they fail so much, so hard, so often IS NOT PAYING ATTENTION.

NB: This is a hypothetical example which in no way reflects my opinion of the Boston events in particular. Presuming that there are in fact a non-trivial number of actual terrorist threats over any arbitrary time period is PART OF THE PROBLEM because it simply IS NOT TRUE. The state cannot point to the list of attacks it has thwarted because anyone with 2 functioning neurons knows that any such claim is UTTERLY UNFALSIFIABLE. If something didn't happen, it is far too easy to take credit, particularly when you control all the relevant evidence, the authenticity of which can never therefore be guaranteed. These problems, again, are INHERENT in the natures of the systems that manifest them; putting a different mascot "in charge" and hoping to solve these problems is an exercise in idiotic futility.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:11 | 3640141 Pure Evil
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Exactly which mushrooms are you on?

The psilocybe or the fly agaric?

They differ on their affects to the temporal lobe region affecting powers of reasoning.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:59 | 3639235 RSloane
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It is vitally important to all Americans that they stop watching any political/economic shows on television particularly those that pass off editorializing as fact. The US MSM is all propaganda, every bit of it. There are alternative ways to getting news. Cable 'news' channels just happen to be glaringly worse than the others. I agree you with 100%.

PS If I could give you +10 I would do so happily.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:21 | 3639276 Pure Evil
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I said I was perusing the brainwashing cable channels. I guess I should have said I was channel surfing the brainwashing cable channels.

Meaning, I know exactly where you're coming from. Everything on TV is designed to brainwash you in some form or manner. As I've constantly stated, Fox News is brainwashing for Republicans, just as all the other networks are brainwashing for progressives/liberals/Democrats.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:55 | 3639223 LetThemEatRand
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"Not sure what point you are trying to make but for someone who supposedly eschews the left/right red/blue paradigms I find your example interesting to say the least."

I was responding to a post about the Obama excuse of "yeah Bush did it too."  It's funny because it's true and it taps into exactly the intended point of my post, which is that so long as it's their team doing the spying, most people are okay with it.   The Blue Team is in charge so I think it goes without saying that Blue Team is okay with it.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:18 | 3639940 Totentänzerlied
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That's putting it lightly.

"The Democrats are the party of the welfare/warfare state; the Republicans, on the other hand, are the party of the warfare/welfare state. And both of them are tools of an entrenched Power Elite that is delighted to cultivate the collectivist hatreds from which totalitarianism is sprouting even now."

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:19 | 3639167 smlbizman
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the best response i read about the ole if i aint doing that you dont get to decide that.....THEY do....

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:37 | 3639079 Sofa King
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People will say anything for a limitless expense account...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:21 | 3639168 Sofa King
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Negative yourself you piece of shit, looting scumbag.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:47 | 3639214 Pure Evil
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Come on. Down votes go with the territory. If you're gonna post your gonna get down votes.

Look at it as you've just kicked your enemy in the mental groin and this is his/her rather lame attempt to exact some form of retribution.

In other words, if you were aiming for a specific target then the down vote indicates you hit it dead center.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:05 | 3639373 Rustysilver
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Pure Evil,

And you forced them to read your comment to give you an arrow. Which agian, it's good.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:39 | 3639084 fonzannoon
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The top story in all my local newspapers is about Michael Jackson's kid.

Also that Cali shooter apparently was the one who bought 3 billion rounds of ammo.

No mention of this stuff.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:09 | 3639148 RSloane
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I don't get any national nor local newspapers but I saw the headlines in the local one, and its the same thing as you saw. Above the fold print was also dedicated to happy shots of Obama and his family. I'm just so glad so many of Americans have sacrificed their lunch money to keep him happy. Bleh.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:49 | 3639217 fonzannoon
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I'm so glad you are back. It's great to see someone (I now see truthinsunshine doing it too) come back around and hit refresh on here.

As for LTER, I am glad he posted a conversation he overheard. I feel like by giving examples on here of the shit I see day to day I probably bore people but I am really interested in the tid bits other people see in the travels.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:08 | 3639246 RSloane
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Heya Fonz! I'm glad I'm back too. There is creepy all around us. This country is so so divided that it frightens me, the major reasons being that TPTB know there are two sure fire ways to unite the country: 1] enter into a war that is seen as just, and 2] another 'terrorist' attack on the US. Doc keeps talking about the possibility of war and he is right to do so. I'm wondering if a terrorist attack of great magnitude [you know, so we can keep the cameras on people staggering from smoldering wreckage with blood oozing out of their heads] perpetrated on US soil by Syria would be cynically just what the US needs to unite everyone and get right behind Israel for our own brand of terrorism in the Middle East. Sickening stuff, but it worries me.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 13:20 | 3639264 fonzannoon
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I, unfortunately, listen to a lot of CNBC. Every day they run 25 "cyberattack is imminent" pieces. They ran one last week explaining that hackers can grab control of a plane's computers and crash a plane in mid flight.

I don't know that it will be terroristic (carnage)in nature, maybe it will be. My guess is the easy way out is a cyber attack that locks up all the banks. The camera's can show us smashing through supermarket windows and looting everything in sight as our access to the almighty dollar has been cut off.

It could go either way and I guess it does not make much of a difference. The end result will be the same.

I wish I could grow food where I am all year round. That is my biggest concern. That and which deli I am going to have Kito get me my sandwich from.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:01 | 3639366 RSloane
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I used to watch CNBC religiously so I understand. Even now I watch it occasionally. You're right, if people were separated from their money or EBT cards or gov't checks there would be hell to pay. From CEO's to welfare queens [sometimes they are one and the same] there would be bricks thrown through store windows from exclusive Apple shops to Wal-Mart. People would go nuts. If CNBC is doing their best to keep the flames of fear fanned, then something somewhere is going to break. I think Becky's 'quick' response would be that Obama and the Justice Dept did not go far enough "protecting our freedoms" while violating our privacy.

I can't grow year round either which is why I can, freeze, and dry foods. There is something very satifying though on Christmas Day to serve up your own vegetables that you harvested in during the summer, or serve up pies you made with your own fruits and baked in September. Yum.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:40 | 3639087 greatbeard
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Fuck Obama.  Fuck Gross.  Simple enough.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:45 | 3639098 Expat
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Didyoujustputt:  Are you joking?  What exactly has Obama done to your precious guns?  Nothing. Americans continue to slaughter each other with guns whatever Obama's personal views may be.  (I think many people in the world are frankly ecstatic that Americans are shooting each other and not them!).

Civil liberties exist because once they are eliminated for some categories, it becomes easy and expedious to start broadening definitions.  From terrorist as guy with a bomb to terrorist as guy with a pen is already done.  Soon it will be basically anyone at all, depending on mood.  Do you trust some sick fuck in the DHS,CIA, or NSA (the kinds who waterboard, rape, murder, torture, spy, kidnap, etc) to refrain from classifying as a terrorist the waiter who gave him bad service, the plumber who ripped him off, the bad driver who flipped him off, or his wife's lover?


I studied soviet politics at school.  I recall that we hated the Soviets because they were totalitarian.  we pointed to their secret police and pervasive controls and monitoring as prime elements of their horrible regimes.  When we criticized East Germany, we never failed to bring up the Stasi and their network of spies, informants, and listening devices.

Well, we are now no better.  The system we are supposedly defending is marginally better but probably just as cynical and corrupt at heart.  Our military empire is larger and more rapacious than anything Stalin ever dreamt up.  Our elite is more concentrated and powerful than any nomenclatura under a communist regime.

We have met the enemy and he is us.  We are frankly doomed as a nation, a people and a concept.  And the world will not weep our passing when we go.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:07 | 3639143 malek
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-1  "slaugther each other"

Looks like you also got fed the pseudo-liberal bullshit which -as you will likely not promote taking the guns away from the police- in the end boils down to: the only people responsible enough to carry a gun are... determined by a handful of bureaucrats. Sounds like a path to true Nirvana to me.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 12:55 | 3639234 Pure Evil
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You can take the guns away from Americans (USA) and they'll still continue to slaughter each other, but with other implements of murder including hands and feet.

But, don't let that stop your rant, nor the fact that worldwide, not just in America, people continue to slaughter each other on a massive scale.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 14:39 | 3639455 TPTB_r_TBTF
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Gun Control seems to be working.  Already 1 out of 3 murderers uses a non-ballistic weapon [iaw Stats].


As Gun Control is tightened,

more murderers will use fewer guns.


The top 25 [gun-owning] nations had 33.47 weapons per 100 people with a homicide rate of 1.7 per 100,000 people.


The 25 least-armed nations had 0.64 guns per 100 people with a homicide rate of 10.45—

more than five times as deadly as the 25 nations with the most guns. [The International Numbers]

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:10 | 3640749 Parrotile
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Seems banning legally held guns has the opposite effect to that "intended" on gun crime. Not just one example, but many . . . .  and   and my favourite 

However there are always those who like to pretend gun control "saves countless lives" -  My colleagues in the Sydney Hospitals tend to take a far less rosy view. Not ONE WEEK goes past without a shooting in Sydney. So much for "Gun control making everywhere safer!"


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 11:47 | 3639102 tradewithdave
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