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NSA Whistleblower Reveals Himself

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"I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good... The NSA routinely lies in response to Congressional inquiries about scope of surveillance in America. The NSA is intent on making every conversation and every form of behaviour in the world known to them.... What they're doing poses an existential threat to democracy."

            - Edward Snowden, 29, PRISM Whistleblower

The US government will be happy to learn it will save several million dollars on the criminal inquiry into the identity of the NSA's PRISM whistleblower because moments ago in a lengthy profile by the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald, said whistleblower has decided to reveal himself to the world: he is Edward Snowden, 29 years old. Originally from Elizabeth City, NC, a Maryland community college dropout and former Special Forces trainee, the 10 year "veteran" with the NSA, most recently in its Hawaii office under the employ of defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton, has just made history and joined the pantheon of such legendary whistleblowers of the US government' secret activities as the Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg and Wikileaks' Bradley Manning. Last but not least, Edward is currently residing in Hong Kong, out of harm's (read America's) way.

Who is Edward and how did he end up at the NSA? The Guardian has the full story.

By his own admission, he was not a stellar student. In order to get the credits necessary to obtain a high school diploma, he attended a community college in Maryland, studying computing, but never completed the coursework.


In 2003, he enlisted in the US army and began a training program to join the Special Forces. Invoking the same principles that he now cites to justify his leaks, he said: "I wanted to fight in the Iraq war because I felt like I had an obligation as a human being to help free people from oppression".


He recounted how his beliefs about the war's purpose were quickly dispelled. "Most of the people training us seemed pumped up about killing Arabs, not helping anyone," he said. After he broke both his legs in a training accident, he was discharged.


After that, he got his first job in an NSA facility, working as a security guard for one of the agency's covert facilities at the University of Maryland. From there, he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. His understanding of the internet and his talent for computer programming enabled him to rise fairly quickly for someone who lacked even a high school diploma.


By 2007, the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland. His responsibility for maintaining computer network security meant he had clearance to access a wide array of classified documents.


That access, along with the almost three years he spent around CIA officers, led him to begin seriously questioning the rightness of what he saw. 


He described as formative an incident in which he claimed CIA operatives were attempting to recruit a Swiss banker to obtain secret banking information. Snowden said they achieved this by purposely getting the banker drunk and encouraging him to drive home in his car. When the banker was arrested for drunk driving, the undercover agent seeking to befriend him offered to help, and a bond was formed that led to successful recruitment.


"Much of what I saw in Geneva really disillusioned me about how my government functions and what its impact is in the world," he says. "I realised that I was part of something that was doing far more harm than good."


He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan. It was then, he said, that he "watched as Obama advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in", and as a result, "I got hardened."

Why did he wait so long?

He said it was during his CIA stint in Geneva that he thought for the first time about exposing government secrets. But, at the time, he chose not to for two reasons.


First, he said: "Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didn't feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone". Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary.

That did not happen. So he proceed to reveal what he knows about the NSA to a newspaper which the NYT pejoratively referred to as a "British News Site." Well, he certainly did not go with any of the news sites on favorable terms with the current administration. Instead, "He purposely chose, he said, to give the documents to journalists whose judgment he trusted about what should be public and what should remain concealed."

Which of course brings up the question: now what, and why risk what was otherwise a "comfortable life" in a Hawaiian paradise?

In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."


Despite his determination to be publicly unveiled, he repeatedly insisted that he wants to avoid the media spotlight. "I don't want public attention because I don't want the story to be about me. I want it to be about what the US government is doing."


He does not fear the consequences of going public, he said, only that doing so will distract attention from the issues raised by his disclosures. "I know the media likes to personalise political debates, and I know the government will demonise me."


Despite these fears, he remained hopeful his outing will not divert attention from the substance of his disclosures. "I really want the focus to be on these documents and the debate which I hope this will trigger among citizens around the globe about what kind of world we want to live in." He added: "My sole motive is to inform the public as to that which is done in their name and that which is done against them."


He has had "a very comfortable life" that included a salary of roughly $200,000, a girlfriend with whom he shared a home in Hawaii, a stable career, and a family he loves. "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

That said, he has left the US and is now in Hong Kong, which in the New Normal is a safer venue for those exposing what until recently was considered a massive conspiracy theory.

Three weeks ago, Snowden made final preparations that resulted in last week's series of blockbuster news stories. At the NSA office in Hawaii where he was working, he copied the last set of documents he intended to disclose.


He then advised his NSA supervisor that he needed to be away from work for "a couple of weeks" in order to receive treatment for epilepsy, a condition he learned he suffers from after a series of seizures last year.


As he packed his bags, he told his girlfriend that he had to be away for a few weeks, though he said he was vague about the reason. "That is not an uncommon occurrence for someone who has spent the last decade working in the intelligence world."


On May 20, he boarded a flight to Hong Kong, where he has remained ever since. He chose the city because "they have a spirited commitment to free speech and the right of political dissent", and because he believed that it was one of the few places in the world that both could and would resist the dictates of the US government.

Snowden's future is bleak to say the least, and if Bradly Manning's recent travails are any indication, a life in prison may be an upside option:

"All my options are bad," he said. The US could begin extradition proceedings against him, a potentially problematic, lengthy and unpredictable course for Washington. Or the Chinese government might whisk him away for questioning, viewing him as a useful source of information. Or he might end up being grabbed and bundled into a plane bound for US territory.


"Yes, I could be rendered by the CIA. I could have people come after me. Or any of the third-party partners. They work closely with a number of other nations. Or they could pay off the Triads. Any of their agents or assets," he said.


"We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."


Having watched the Obama administration prosecute whistleblowers at a historically unprecedented rate, he fully expects the US government to attempt to use all its weight to punish him. "I am not afraid," he said calmly, "because this is the choice I've made."


He predicts the government will launch an investigation and "say I have broken the Espionage Act and helped our enemies, but that can be used against anyone who points out how massive and invasive the system has become".


The only time he became emotional during the many hours of interviews was when he pondered the impact his choices would have on his family, many of whom work for the US government. "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night," he said, his eyes welling up with tears.


As for his future, he is vague. He hoped the publicity the leaks have generated will offer him some protection, making it "harder for them to get dirty".


He views his best hope as the possibility of asylum, with Iceland – with its reputation of a champion of internet freedom – at the top of his list. He knows that may prove a wish unfulfilled.


But after the intense political controversy he has already created with just the first week's haul of stories, "I feel satisfied that this was all worth it. I have no regrets."

Now the great debate begins: is sacrificing it all in the name of ethical principles under a totalitarian regime now fully set on destroying you, worth it? And since we are dealing with one grand revealed conspiracy, another one will naturally emerge: is Snowden's explanation of his motives honest and accurate? Why now and why him? Surely at least one other person has worked at the NSA in the past decade whose thought process has been identical and who put the value of democracy over and above that of one's personal career development and safety.

Most importantly, the ball is now in Obama's court, and the constitutional scholar's every action will be studied under a microscope by civil liberty defenders (both real and paid for) everywhere while one Jon Corzine withdrawls millions of dollars from East Hampton ATM machines unhindered, and without any scruples.

Finally, we would like to thank Snowden for putting a nail into the coffin of all those who use the term "conspiracy theorist" pejoratively. Because whatever his motives, whatever the outcome of this dramatic escalation between the people's right to know and a government intent on hijacking all civil liberties one by one, Snowden has showed that the distance from Conspiracy Theory to Conspiracy Fact is just one ethical judgment away.

For those curious, here is the full text of the US-Hong Kong Extradition treaty.

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Snowden's interview with the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald (produced by WaPo's Laura Poitras) can be seen after the jump.


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Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:49 | 3639572 Strike Back
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His name is Eric Snowden.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:51 | 3639579 Almost Solvent
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Let's hope he sticks around for awhile

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3639585 machineh
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Holy fuck ... the hits just keep on comin' ...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 15:54 | 3639588 doomandbloom
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Did he use a condom?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:01 | 3639607 true brain
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Question: Is the human conscience stronger than threat of imprisonment, torture, death?

If the past is any guide, the last vestige of human conscience will be wiped out before this is over.

Yes, he should fear for his life.


"Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary."

Big mistake many people made, including myself.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:03 | 3639614 Skateboarder
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Excuse my language, but dis nigga dead.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:06 | 3639627 Manthong
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A true hero of his Saeculum.. I hope he knows that.

I recall something about "lives, fortunes and sacred honor”.

Maybe there are others in his (former) silo.

There may be cause for hope.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:15 | 3639662 Publicus
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He sacrificed himself to save us all. He is Jesus.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:22 | 3639669 Manthong
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Oh, and consider this..

The lib/progressive/collectivists that run the state now are the progeny of the lib/progressive/collectivists who were claiming “the balance of power” was maintained when the Soviet Union got the bomb in 1949.

Hong Kong is China..

“History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
-Mark Twain

(I don't think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg  took flight to the Soviet Union)


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:31 | 3639737 mophead
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The government doesn't spy on its citizens! If that were the case, someone would have said something by now. What!? Someone has said something? CONSPIRACY THEORIST!!! WACKO!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:35 | 3639754 cifo
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$200k a year for someone without a high school diploma is not bad.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:47 | 3639805 James_Cole
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DNI: Prior to this week, The Terrorists didn't realize that the US Govt tries to monitor their communications.


Lol, Greenwald's twitter feed is good stuff.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:52 | 3639827 Real Estate Geek
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God bless and preserve him

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:02 | 3639853 Manthong
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To you ruffled feather delusional types.. 

There are concepts here that are interesting to note.

On July 4, in a few weeks, stop to think about how much the state that controls your toilet, shower, lights, detergents, fuel, GM food, housing, education, currency, net  income.. ad nauseam.. resembles the nation of free people that was Constitutionalized in 1789?

At what point does nominal treason in the new normal in the name of liberty supplant vice?

..just saying..

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:04 | 3639877 Big Slick
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 I understand...

By deciding to stop being nothing more than a tool of the political elite to usurp fellow countrymen’s Constitutional rights and end one’s work spying on law-abiding Americans for the US government, a person HAS a name. 

HIS name is Edward Snowden.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:07 | 3639898 Yes We Can. But...
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Huge mancrush.

Guys 29, and no matter what happens his was a life very much well-worth having lived.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:02 | 3639929 Manthong
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and..I am just drawing contrasts..  the general reaction to this guy is going to be same as the pre-McCarthy reaction to the Rosenbergs was.. 

The MSM moved to the left after McCarthy (relative to the state).

The state was right of center then, it is way left of center now..

Where might what’s left of the MSM go with this hot potato?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:07 | 3640129 SimMaker
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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing eveyrone he did not exist.


I always like to invite people to look up the word "Nazi", those zany German "Right Wingers" from a distant past.


Nazi, stands for "National Socialist German Workers Party"


So, thats where they are going. So far to the "Left" they will be as "Right Wing" as kids are told Hitler was. And with all these new toys, oooooh boy...the next Hitler is going to have a  blast.


Do you think NSA has a record of Americans Votes?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:38 | 3640235 El Viejo
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They can't stop telemarketers from harassing my 87 yr ol mom, but they can listen in on all conversations in this country. amazing.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:16 | 3640763 Joe Davola
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...preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States


When the Worm in Chief reiterates that he's only doing this to protect the citizenry, he needs to recall his job is to protect the constitution - the people can protect themselves if the constitution is maintained.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:23 | 3640961 jeff montanye
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damn good point.

and on a related issue:

p.s. his name appears to be edward:

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:40 | 3641156 Paveway IV
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1) I'm grateful for any whistleblower - they're all we got left.

2) Edward is a dead man for sure and doesn't seem oblivious to this fact. Not sure whether to be happy or sad about that, but it's nice to see a fellow American sacrificing themselves to defend my constitution. I would like to think I would have done the same if it had come to that. 

3) The Electronic Frontier Foundation has been fighting domestic spying for years. The government hates them. Telecoms hate them. Need I say more?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:19 | 3640276 fnord88
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"First they came for the communists,

and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."


Yup sounds socialist to me


Statists are as statists do: Accrue as much power as they can in the hands of as few a people as possible. Left and right might disagree on Gay Marriage, but they sure as fuck don't disagree on giving themselves as much power as possible over their "subjects". It's the government which is the problem, not which flavor currently pretends to runs things.


In the words of the late, great Bill Hicks:  "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons."

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:26 | 3640395 fnord88
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Also, apparently this guy gave money to Ron Paul. Now i love him even more. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:53 | 3640516 0z
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"What they're doing poses an existential threat to democracy."

If Only that were true, they would be doing something good.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:17 | 3640589 Bindar Dundat
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here is a view from 2017.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:04 | 3640722 Stuart
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The issue now in front of everyone is what are WE, the public, you know the folks these nazis are supposed to work for... what are WE going to do about this.   Nothing as usual?


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:15 | 3640759 A Nanny Moose
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Knowing this, I am surprised the IRS wasn't all up in his junk....well OK, am not surprised at all.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3640787 FreedomGuy
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Libertarians and those who think like free people are correct. You don't change this nibbling around the edges. Dramatic, big knife changes are needed. Will anyone go to jail for this? I think not...just like all the other scandals piling up.

Is there any solution for this crap short of some sort of political or physical revolution? It is thoroughly embedded in so many agencies. Imagine the crap we don't know from all agencies but especially the 25 or so police agencies we have. My guess is scandal, muddle, mumble, a few small fish get the ax and the issue fades and things go on as they do now.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3640832 fnord88
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"but especially the 25 or so police agencies we have"


we know about




+1 on the rest

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:42 | 3640462 Kinskian
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"Nasi" is also the title for the leader of the Jewish Sanhedrin. I'd say that's as relevant as Hitler in our current predicament.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:49 | 3640683 Lost Word
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Nasi is Hebrew meaning Prince.

There was a book about Mossad with a title something like Every Spy a Prince.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:10 | 3640741 Kinskian
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Yes, from the link I posted...

During the Second Commonwealth (c. 530 BCE - 70 CE), the nasi was the highest-ranking member and president of the Sanhedrin or Assembly, including when it sat as a criminal court. The position was created in c. 191 BCE when the Sanhedrin lost confidence in the ability of the High Priest to serve as its head. The Romans recognised the nasi as Patriarch of the Jews, and required all Jews to pay him a tax for the upkeep of that office, which ranked highly in the Roman official hierarchy.

...In Modern Hebrew, nasi means president, and is not used in its classical sense. The word for prince is now nasich.

Much more recently, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz has taken the title nasi, in an attempt to re-establish the Sanhedrin in its judicial capacity as the Supreme Court of Judaism.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:22 | 3640776 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"... look up the word "Nazi",..."

I suggest it's etiology is from: AshkeNAZI.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:18 | 3640166 Yes We Can. But...
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Snowden's being a Hawaiian rights a a prior wrong contributed by that state.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:51 | 3640689 Lost Word
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Only completely if Snowden becomes President instead of Obummer.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:56 | 3641184 tip e. canoe
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special election time?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3639931 francis_sawyer
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Wormer... DEAD!... Neidermeyer... DEAD!... Snowden..........................................DEAD!...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:53 | 3640081 Manthong
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C'm on now people..

any sarc that reflects affairs of the state with Animal House is a good sarc..

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:45 | 3640250 francis_sawyer
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Thank goodness somebody understands... OK ~ let me rephrase... for the idiots out there...

"Most of the secrets the CIA has are about people, not machines and systems, so I didn't feel comfortable with disclosures that I thought could endanger anyone". Secondly, the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms, rendering disclosures unnecessary"


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:29 | 3640406 fnord88
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He has said he voted for a third party candidate, did not ever vote for Obama, and records show him giving money to Ron Pauls campaign.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:54 | 3640082 Manthong
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.. dupe.. slow comms

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:21 | 3639954 prains
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spoke with a 29 yr old on a ZH thread a few weeks back, hope he's reading this article. He was deriding his generation as useless but now you see, there are smart young fuckers out there lurking in the weeds who will fight for real freedom, they are NOT all slackers.

One is named Eric Snowden.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:02 | 3640718 Meat Hammer
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If Eric Snowden ends up dead we might actually see the fuse be lit on this powder keg.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:32 | 3641139 prains
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If ever there was a time for people to rise to the aid of a real hero it would be when they come for a guy like Eric, lets hope WE as a people find the same courage he has shown US

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:51 | 3640875 putaipan
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the most important thing i have gleaned from mr. snowdens descriptions of his heroic act is the bigger problem of outsourcing....

doesn't anyone else see a bigger detail rolling down the railroad tracks ? he said he could do all sorts of nefarious things while working for booz allen ... ultimately, all this information and control exist in the hands of private corporations beyond the c.i.a. , nsa or "the government". talk about spooky.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:28 | 3641437 Herd Redirectio...
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And this is alarming how?  Have you never heard of the Military Industrial Complex?  Who do you think designs drones and cruise missiles?  Fascist oligarchy.  Without understanding who the big players are, a person won't see the big picture.  Let me just say, many of those who have been making the decisions in America in the last decade + have benefitted tremendously (and profited even more) from 'wasteful' spending by the MiC.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:35 | 3640225 nmewn
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Fuckin a.

Lets ruffle a few more. I read this earlier in the week and saved for a special occasion ;-)

"Visualize the entire United States as one vast “company,” with citizens as employees and politicians and bureaucrats as managers. Everybody, in theory, works together to make the company successful.

But there are two realities which shatter this idealized theory: first, only about half the employees actually ever do any work, while the rest seem to be on permanent vacation or sick leave; and second, our bureaucratic “managers” — just like the wealthy fat cats in Marx’s visionsimply benefit from the labor of others without ever producing anything of value themselves."

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:31 | 3640998 lostintheflood
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it's good to have heroes for our children to emulate.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3639837 Lost Word
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Another absurd lie perpetrated by Government and news media lapdogs and swallowed whole by the sheep.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:59 | 3639854 Surly Bear
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His name is Eric Snowden.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:44 | 3640472 eatapeach
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Edward, isn't it?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:05 | 3640123 klockwerks
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Are you saying that the guy is a fraud and the whole thing is a set up

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:01 | 3640296 nmewn
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lol...yeah it took like an hour or so for a new conspiracy theory to be born.

In this one, the government uses a contractor/vet who worked for the government to add a face to the voice of the press that exposed their latest infringement on our liberties.

Highly chance of success ;-)

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:21 | 3640602 Race Car Driver
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I smell what yer cookin'.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:55 | 3640706 Lost Word
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All you Down voters seem to have Misunderstood which thread I was commenting upon.

I was commenting about Government lies being swallowed whole by the Sheep.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:26 | 3639974 lolmao500
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What a load of crap.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:13 | 3640337 ghandi
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DHS insider just published today excerpt:


But only about one quarter of the real information is being reported. The other three quarters will be the game changer. But first, tell people what I’ve said. Let them know that more will follow but get this information out right now while the internet is still relatively free. Do it today.”

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:58 | 3640537 August
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Perhaps Mr. Snowden can start making weekly radio broadcasts into Occupied America.

With enough time and some discreet lobbying, the Shanghai Co-operation Council might even be induced to supply clandestine support to the American Resistance. I suppose, though, that a no-fly zone is just too much to hope for.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:50 | 3639815 TeamDepends
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We would like to shout out a heart-felt FUCK YOU to PRISM.  Thanks for listening.....

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:57 | 3639842 RafterManFMJ
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$200k a year for someone without a high school diploma is not bad.


Yea J man that's roughly 5400 oz. of silver after tax! Man remember the days when you only got 20?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:16 | 3639932 SpykerSpeed
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Yes, I remember when silve was much more expensive than it is today...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:17 | 3640356 cifo
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I am thinking that $200k is a beginner salary for NSA employees.

I imagine that the guys with a diploma/graduates/PhDs working for NSA are paid as much as the president. Plus benefits (living expenses in Geneva, Hawaii, Japan etc.) How do I get a job there?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:25 | 3640391 Stuck on Zero
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That explains all the BMWs zooming around Arlington.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:51 | 3640502 cifo
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Are you talking about the grave caretakers?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:00 | 3641187 tip e. canoe
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that and access to EZ CreditTM

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:37 | 3640435 Raymond K Hessel
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Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:37 | 3640437 Raymond K Hessel
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You rent out your soul and you get $220k a year.

And it was not a beginning salary..he worked his way up from security guard on a college campus.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:37 | 3640016 Yes We Can. But...
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Thats $100k/year for toil, and $100k/year more to help you suppress your conscience and be a good little foot-soldier

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:24 | 3639968 MiltonFriedmans...
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Having listened to him, I would be willing to bet that his IQ rivals that of most Harvard grads, and unlike a typical ivy leaguer, he has not only a brain, but a heart and soul. I doff my cap top him.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:27 | 3639981 lolmao500
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Yep. Most people with PHDs I know are closed minded drones who work for the establishment.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:16 | 3640350 Richard Chesler
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"the election of Barack Obama in 2008 gave him hope that there would be real reforms"

Koolaid drinker.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:52 | 3640510 cifo
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"I would be willing to bet that his IQ rivals that of most Harvard grads"

Yes, he was not able to get his high school diploma. Not that it mattered.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:20 | 3640962 Kirk2NCC1701
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Imagine if ppl like Moses, Alexander, Jesus... had a high school diploma or degree from an Ivy League college. LOL.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:33 | 3641439 Herd Redirectio...
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There was a famous fighter from Russia a few years back (Fedor).  Best HW in the world at the time. 

He was a little unorthodox but highly effective.  The comment that was made by American fans was "Fedor's so good!  Imagine if he had been brought up in America with proper training, and coaching, and access to modern facilities!"

Which was of course completely beside point.  His background made him the fighter that he was.

The analogy here is the HS Diploma, of course.  "Think of how smart he would have been if he could have just graduated HS."  LOL, OK.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:45 | 3640675 Harbanger
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Maybe he changed, people get it at their own pace.  Don't forget that Breitbart started out as a liberal.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:53 | 3640696 Imminent Crucible
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"Koolaid drinker"

Well, yeah. But before he fell in love with Obama, he went to Iraq thinking he was going to make the world safer for democracy.  So he was naive and trusting, and believed the rubbish that was pissed into his ear all his life. The important part, the encouraging part, is that ONE DAY HE WOKE UP.

I'll tell you this, it took me a heck of a lot longer to catch on. By the time I was 29, I knew there was something very wrong with the USA. But this young guy left me in the dust.

Don't minimize the significance of this; there are still people of conscience, people of good will out there. The Tower Of Power is a rickety, teetering thing wired together with lies and deceptions and clever costumery. The mask is being pulled away bit by bit, and the hideous face underneath is slowly but inexorably emerging.  It doesn't take 100% of the population waking up to turn the tide. A relative handful, if they are sufficiently determined and fearless, can turn this barge around in time.  The great mass of people will follow them, once they grasp the truth that TPTB are a giant crime syndicate that is determined to reduce us all to slavery.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:02 | 3641191 tip e. canoe
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 The Tower Of Power : that's good.

we might have to make a meme...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:40 | 3641446 Herd Redirectio...
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The funny thing about the herd is... They want to follow.

They just don't know who to follow.  They are following the same people their whole life, and its not worked out great, but most sheep haven't stopped to think about that yet, what with house and stock market prices being what they are.

It takes about 2 - 5% of the population to 'lead'.  Politicians like to say the right things, and they have got that down, so I will leave that to them.   But I will try to 'do' the right things, hopefully (and calling out the hypocrisy of the current leaders) that will get some sheeps' attention.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 01:18 | 3641295 Lore
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The recruitment selection process at these agencies is sophisticated and proven.  As a person of intelligence AND principle AND initiative, Mr. Snowden may be one out of a thousand.

Middle managers will probably be expected to engage in some Witch Hunt to find others. The fear must be thick.  $200K isn't enough, IMHO.

Realistically, there's no point going after Snowden.  A cynic would argue that they'll do it anyway just to make an example.  I have a little more faith in humanity.  The future isn't set. 

Interesting times!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:40 | 3640241 kliguy38
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read it carefully......he is one of the poor that tried to educate himself through the military.....its all crafted to throw a net out in high school to pick up these "new poverty class" that can no longer afford college but are high IQ.......there will be more like him but they most likely will try to make an example of him as they did with Manning. I have to say that he knows FULLY well the ramifications of his actions and to me that is more courageous than jumping reflexively on a live grenade. What he faces makes most people incontinent of bowel and bladder......He is a fochin STUD!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:57 | 3640529 infinity8
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I read it carefully, maybe because I know someone (departed for several years) who was recruited as a college sophomore (on scholarship) for his mad language skills and trained as an Army cryptanalyst, stationed in Japan, listening to Korea back in the day, who's superiors were NSA even tho' he was in Army uniform. This guy started out w/NSA, worked for CIA and left "disilllusioned" only to go back to working for NSA? I smell fish. And he's gonna put his face and (supposed) location out there? CIA is kitten-tits compared to NSA.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:29 | 3640209 1100-TACTICAL-12
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see ya in room 101...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:46 | 3640679 AKrandy
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 This guy is a true patriot. There are many people that would sell their soul(and everyone else) for far less than this guy was making.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3639724 machineh
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... and Obama is Pontius Pilate.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:57 | 3639843 LetThemEatRand
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More like Pontius Pilate's stool groomer.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:32 | 3639742 SheepRevolution
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No, he is not Jesus.

He is a true American Patriot.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:34 | 3639750 Publicus
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I was wondering why the current pope is the last pope according to the prophecy, now it all makes sense.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:43 | 3640845 Meat Hammer
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Let's think about what we're not thinking about right now...

We all know that something has to pop so the economy can collapse, the wrong people can be blamed, the EBT cards can get shut off, blood can spill in the streets, and the government can finally shred the Constitution completely....for our own good....and institute martial law (DHS ammo stockpiles), all the while the men behind the curtain buy America for pennies on the dollar, sneak out of the exits, and lock the doors.

A series of scandals in the administration, which ulitmately have evidence that points (truthfully or not) to the first black president in our history is the exact type of thing that could spark the civil war that TPTB and TBTF want (and need). 

We all know that Obama's race acts as an impenetrable shield for millions of people in this country....including many guilty whites on the left.  He could be personally executing conservative whites and there are plenty that would think it were justified.  

I play in a men's hardball league and one of the pitchers who was on the mound today was black.  He wasn't throwing anything near the plate but was yelling at the umpire for not giving him strike calls.  Then he pulled the race card....saying "Ya gotta be white to get strikes in this league?!!"

This country is full of ticking time bombs looking for an excuse.  Maybe Eric Snowden was placed there by people who want what is coming to happen.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:48 | 3641454 Herd Redirectio...
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Any period of change is risky for TPTB.  They use any available opportunity to extend and tighten their grip.  That means being prepared (in advance) for certain tragedies and events.  But these periods of change are also when TPTB stand to lose the most, if people don't go along as planned.   That means, IMO, the TPTB don't want a civil war, but they can see their actions have destabilized the country to that point.   So if something is inevitable, they will try to make the most of it.

Moral of the story: The same moments that are opportunities for change for TPTB are opportunities of change for us, the everyman, to affect society as well.  Say there is a stock market crash, don't hold back from telling your friends about manipulation, rigging, insider trading, that there were MANY who saw it coming, etc. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:49 | 3641624 tip e. canoe
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+1 malcolm gladwell, they don't call em tipping points for nothin

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:34 | 3640003 SMG
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Real American Hero!  Thank You, Mr. Snowden!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:50 | 3640264 francis_sawyer
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Jeez ~ I was thinking he had 'hero' potential until you chimed in... Now I'm really going to have to put my thinking cap on...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:58 | 3640707 Harbanger
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LOL! I had the same exact thought.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:46 | 3640057 Wannabee
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Rumor has it, middle name is Edward "Patrick Henry" Snowden

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:59 | 3640105 Miffed Microbio...
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Is this an alias? I'm thinking Snowden in Catch-22. Snowden's secret the man that spilled his guts? God help this man he's a modern day saint! This is why I cringe when people denigrate his generation. For once in a long time I'm inspired by someone.


Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:58 | 3640281 francis_sawyer
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Anagrams for Eric Snowden [fuu ~ I'm carrying your H20 here]...



new coined


wires onde

rosin weed



Edward Snowden

downwards end



Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:20 | 3640371 mofreedom
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did he listen to rush, hannity, levin, beck, et all?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:29 | 3641235 Balanced Integer
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If he did, so much the better.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:40 | 3640656 Anusocracy
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Remember to donate if a defense fund is needed.

I will.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:03 | 3641195 merizobeach
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Yossarian: "Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?"

Here--omfg, we've found one!  Or it's a fantastic alias.  Regardless, he is a patriot to humanity.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:50 | 3641628 tip e. canoe
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a bit mindbending to grok how much modern reality is mimicing art, isn't it?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:41 | 3639781's picture



He sacrificed himself to save us all. He is Jesus.


On the contrary, Snowden refused to sacrifice his principles by remaining at the NSA.  Proclamations of Snowden as the second coming of Christ notwithstanding, he has all the earmarks a genuine hero.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:24 | 3639967 Renewable Life
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The next president better be ready to pardon this kid on day one, or NEVER be elected!

The radicalization of America has begun, I hope thousands more follow him and there consciences!!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:34 | 3640001's picture

I don't know if folks will visibly rally over this issue or what the benefit of petitioning the government for redress of wrongs would be at this point. But there's something visceral about the knowledge that you are being watched. Simply put it's just plain creepy. Apologists can trot out the old "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" canard all they want but suddenly millions of Americans can feel the government's eyes on the back of their necks. It hits you on a primitive level and will make a difference in some shape or form.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:38 | 3640021 EscapeKey
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I hate that response so much. If THEY have nothing to hide, then why do THEY need to hide in the shadows? Oh yes, the old "national security" bullshit line, which has been abused who knows how often by now...

The simple fact is that if they record all information, they can later bring it up again. And if your intended peaceful demonstration suddenly turns violent, then they will pick up the organizers in 10 seconds flat, regardless of whether they had anything to do with the violence.

That's just one example.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:02 | 3640104 BidnessMan
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Anyone can be locked up at any time if some government person decides they want you.  The average person is estimated to  unknowingly commits 3+ felonies per day.  The number of laws and regulations with felony penalties on the books can't be counted. And thousands more get passed every year.  Now some NY legislator wants to make it a felony if a cop decides you were bothering him.

Capturing every phone call and email, and photographing the front and back of every piece of US Mail, makes it certain there is an evidence trail for many of your 3+ felonies per day.  Just a matter if someone wants to make an example of you, or some prosecutor decides he needs you to pump up his conviction / plea bargain win ratio performance metrics.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:44 | 3640474 cynicalskeptic
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That's by design - make 'the law' the focus, NOT 'right and wrong'.   When EVERY person has to worry about inadvertently committing some violation of the law, it becomes a matter of enforcement 'discretion' whether or not to pursue individuals.  You now have the perfect authoritarian society - EVERYONE is guilty of SOMETHING and can be imprisoned at the whim of the state.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:06 | 3640728 Professorlocknload
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Yes, it's by design, cynicalskeptic...

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws."
Ayn Rand

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:22 | 3641434 StandardDeviant
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Cardinal Richelieu wrote this back in the seventeenth century:

Qu'on me donne six lignes écrites de la main du plus honnête homme, j'y trouverai de quoi le faire pendre.

(If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.)

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:55 | 3640090 20834A
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People are fools with that 'nothing to hide' bullshit. Jesus had nothing to hide. But the PTB managed to twist him up anyway.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:52 | 3641457 Herd Redirectio...
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If the gov't can access everything in secret, they can also plant information, and that would make it your word vs the government.

THAT is the aspect of "If you've got nothing to hide, why worry" that naive people just don't see (yet).

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:23 | 3640191 Bay of Pigs
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I was wondering if you had left ZH too like some other vets.

Glad to see you still around brotha.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:46 | 3640483's picture

Couldn't let Snowden's Day go without remark, for the benefit of the NSA archives, if nothing else.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:06 | 3640309 Mike7.62
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I always hear the refrain "If you haven't done anything wrong, you don't have to worry". Problem is, you don't get to determine what is "right" or "wrong". What you thought was "right" yesterday, may be "wrong" today.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:05 | 3640727 Lost Word
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I lived ten years in Alabama where it was legal to drive without car insurance.

Then one day, legal became illegal, because the politicians said so.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:36 | 3640817 FreedomGuy
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Nice point, Crockett. I hate that damned idea, "If you have nothing to hide..." crap. The assumptions in that statement are that infinite State power and monitoring are a good thing because the State is angelic in nature. Only in modern times can we begin to do this stuff through electronics. I hope you are right and the brain dead half of America wakes up to the danger. This is the evidence that Big Brother has been under construction for some time.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:34 | 3640012 ISEEIT
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More likely he's an op.

On second thought?

He's an op.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:57 | 3640286 Wile-E-Coyote
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This is BS but the question is why and why now.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:29 | 3640986 stocktivity
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No he isn't

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:15 | 3639664 macholatte
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I think we all know what kind of hell Mr Snowden is going to go through. Instead of that, this is what he should get:

It recognizes those individuals who have made "an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors". 


Presidential Medal of Freedom

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:25 | 3639672 Bananamerican
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NSA made a mistake...they accidentally hired someone who believed in the founding principles of his country....who wouldn't just amorally violate those principles for the sake of a taxpayer funded paycheck and a chance at promotion....

"Don't rock the boat and you'll go far"

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:02 | 3639866 RafterManFMJ
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It's critical to understand the man DID NOT complete his obligatory internment at a re-educational camp known as 'Public School' nor did he seek advanced mind-control at any university.

Memo to the NSA - Do not recruit the highschool dropouts or homeschooled; only quality proles that have at least a 4 year degree.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:58 | 3640532 ponzisaurus
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Quite the dilemma for the NSA, they need talent that can think out of the box but those talents are destroyed by the conditioning that allows reliability.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3640002 WillyGroper
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Quite amazing what a child left behind can accomplish.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:02 | 3640719 AKrandy
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They will definitely be changing their psychological profile. Less free thinkers and moar narcissistic psychopaths.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:37 | 3641014 Kirk2NCC1701
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They'll do what other religions have done: if you can't recruit them, you breed them. By first selecting a group, clan or tribe that meets the requirements.

They're already doing this in some industries/sectors.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:42 | 3640036 lolmao500
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Yeah but that'll never happen.

Only war criminals, crooks, fascists and traitors receive the medal of freedom nowadays.

Just in the last few years... A few names...

Warren Buffet, Alan Greenspan, David Rockefeller, Jesse Jackson, George Tenet, Tony Blair, Angela Merkel, Shimon Peres, Madeleine Albright, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Dick Cheney, Robert Gates, Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld, Lyndon Johnson, HW. Bush, Irving Kristol and many others.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:55 | 3641458 Herd Redirectio...
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Well, hell, when we need to go after people for possible Treason, that there is a fine list to start with.  Buffet, Greenspan, Rockefeller, Brz, Cheney, Kissinger...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:25 | 3639973 Randall Cabot
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Now we need a whistleblower to expose all the false flag attacks, the last one being the Boston Bombing which was probably the sloppiest one they did yet. Watch this video in full screen with the sound up from about 37 seconds to 57 seconds. I will explain what is going on there if anyone can't see it:

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:25 | 3640199 klockwerks
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Thanks, but are you implying that what we saw at the mark was "the drill"

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 20:22 | 3640547 Randall Cabot
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I don't think it's a drill but I'm sure they practiced it (there are some photos at the first bomb site that might be from a drill though).

Look at the space between the shirtless blonde guy's left leg and the cop standing in the street at around 41 sec. A little later a guy walks up from the right with two types of material in his hands, yells something and then throws them in front of the shirtless blonde guy and a dark haired guy with a beard. The bearded guy turns his head and then points across the street and yells " that guy has a fucking camera on..." to a dark haired female who had just walked up.

The dark haired female has a long blue scarf that is covering the space between the blonde guy and the bearded guy and she turns to look across the street but then spins around and moves a bit to the right.Then the now standing bearded guy says something to her and she gestures to him with her right hand and then goes back to standing near a guy in yellow around a "victim" on the ground all the while dangling the blue scarf or moving it around.

So what's going on?

The amputee injuries are fake. Blonde guy and bearded guy and others are applying fake Hollywood type gore to people with previous amputations so that they can be wheeled or carried away for the cameras and to be shown on TV and the net to shock the public. Look at the fake gore object between the blonde guy's left leg and the cop.

The bearded guy has some authority as he seems to be directing others. The guy who throws the material is probably supplying some more gore, maybe the material itself or maybe something hidden under the material. The dark haired female was doing her job of obfuscating the goings on with her body and the blue scarf when the bearded guy points across the street about the camera. Since she was already doing her job she was momentarily confused but then went back to obfuscating the scene with her body and the blue scarf with the bearded guy giving her some instructions and she gesturing with her hand.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3640839 FreedomGuy
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So why did they let the younger brother survive?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:04 | 3640910 Randall Cabot
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They actually did try to kill him but couldn't finish him off before some Mass cops who were probably unaware that a hit was going down messed it up.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:26 | 3640977 Randall Cabot
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CNN edited this part out after it first aired:

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:48 | 3640488 cynicalskeptic
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Sibel Edmonds has had a federal gag order on her for HOW long?

That's what you get for doing your job - only problem arises when you translate intercepts linking US politicians, arms dealers, Turkish Generals, drug traffickers and terrorists......     can't have the truth coming out, can we?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:30 | 3641236 CaptainObvious
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I hope this starts a landslide of whistleblowing, so Obombya won't know who to persecut---err, prosecute first.

If Snowden starts a legal defense fund, I am kicking in some fiat.  A month's salary wouldn't be out of the question.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:29 | 3639728 tmosley
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There will be consequences for his death.  The dominos will start to fall soon after.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:05 | 3639879 RafterManFMJ
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You're damn right there will be!!! Just like Kennedy, and the 70+ witnesses, investigators, journalists, etc. that were murdered as well. Man, there will be consequences!! I bet at least 3 books get written about this gentleman. When those consequences start to roll, get out of the way!!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3640005 EscapeKey
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It's not actually that far fetched.

Encrypt all communication. Yeah, they might turn up at your door to ask for your keys, but if everyone started encrypting their communication, then this meld would soon be rendered useless, ie the RIAA miserably failed in this approach.

And finally, if they got your key, there is no reason you couldn't have used the plausible deniability trick, and encoded another message in random data always attached to your posts.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:11 | 3641096 freedogger
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What you say isn't necessarily that important. Its who you talk to, who they talk to, where you go, what you buy, what sites you look at. Encryption won't hide this.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:55 | 3640092 Randall Cabot
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The close connections between a relatively small circle of people and those in their immediate spheres of influence is no coincidence. That all of them, in some fashion, were part of the circumstances surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy is also no coincidence. Critics of JFK assassination conspiracy theories contend that a conspiracy so immense would require a vast number of people involved. In fact, the mechanics of initiating the conspiracy described in Final Judgment involved perhaps no more than 20 people. Most of those ultimately involved in the conspiracy were probably not even aware of the activities of the others who were involved.

So then, let us name, for the record, those whom we believe had advance knowledge that John F. Kennedy was going to be killed on November 22, 1963. They are:

Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion;

Israeli Mossad assassinations chief Yitzhak Shamir;

Permindex chief executive officer Louis M. Bloomfield;

Mossad officer and Permindex banker Rabbi Tibor Rosenbaum;

CIA Counterintelligence chief James J. Angleton;

French intelligence officer Georges deLannurien;

Crime Syndicate boss Meyer Lansky;

The actual shooters in Dealey Plaza. Evidence strongly points toward French mercenary Michael Mertz as one of those gunmen. In any case, as we have seen, at least one assassin was contracted by the Mossad through disloyal elements in French intelligence, although it is probable that there were several assassination teams in place.

CIA contract agent and longtime Mossad asset Frank Sturgis claimed to have played a part in the events in Dealey Plaza. His Cuban exile henchmen, Guillermo and Ignacio Novo, who were with Sturgis in Dallas also played some role, although whether they were actual gunmen has yet to be determined.

Although it is likely (although not certain) that Meyer Lansky's Mafia lieutenants—Santo Trafficante, Jr. of Tampa and Carlos Marcello of New Orleans—had advance knowledge of the impending assassination itself, it is not clear that they, or, for that matter, Chicago Mafia boss Sam Giancana or the Mafia's "roving ambassador," Johnny Rosselli, were actually involved in the planning of the assassination itself. However, we do know today that both Giancana and Rosselli were under the thumb of Mossad-connected crime boss Hyman Lamer—and that opens up a whole new can of worms.

The role of the Italian-American organized crime figures in the JFK assassination is more media-generated myth than reality. At best, they were secondary players in the bigger scheme of things. In Appendix Nine we will also consider the likely role—at least as an intermediary—that top-ranking Mossad figure Shaul Eisenberg played in the events surrounding the assassination, suggesting that Eisenberg did, in fact, have advance knowledge of the impending assassination.

Read the entire book Final Judgment here:

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 06:04 | 3641463 Herd Redirectio...
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Also involved, the CIA and a certain member of a certain B U S H family.  So if the Mossad and CIA were at the center of it all... What does that tell us.

The reason why, well, I don't think there was just one single reason.  Probably JFK was overstepping his bounds, getting more popular/populist than was wanted.  But primarily, they needed something that would help keep future 'rabble-rousers' in line.  Show someone newly elected some Zapruder footage, ask them "You got that?!" and be on your way.

What do you think they show future puppet heads of state in Iraq, Libya, etc?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 18:12 | 3640147 tmosley
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As a straw does not break the back of an unburdened camel, the assasination of a president on the orders of a vice president does not send a comfortable nation into civil war.  We are no longer a comfortable nation.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:47 | 3639807 cifo
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"Excuse my language, but dis nigga dead."

Which one?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:12 | 3639919 SpykerSpeed
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Oh snap!  hahaha

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:56 | 3640097 Jugdish
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At least "dis nigga" will die like a man, not having lived as a coward.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 16:03 | 3639616 Lucius Corneliu...
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Not me

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:10 | 3640324 Al Gorerhythm
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So, which politician offering eternal salvation will you place your trust in next time? The GOP? A new Dem?

Swinging from camp to camp will only confirm that they both offer the same thing but don't have the ability to deliver it. Being as they (government and its agencies) produce nothing of value, how can they deliver anything of material or spiritual value? This devisive form of government is simply and only an idea, a human construct, therefore one that can just as simply be rejected. There is another alternative and has already proved workable.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 19:16 | 3640353 worbsid
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I don't understand how you question "conscience stronger than imprisonment, torture, death" when there are a few million military that are sure as hell not doing what they do for the money.  Agreed that the leadership are doing it for the power and the glory but the grunts are there for country and apple pie.  The pay is somewhat better than a draftee during Vietnam.  There I learned about Johnson's war, but three or four tours in Iraq, Afgan and other sand shitholes have to be worse.

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