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Ron Paul: "It's Going to Get Much, Much Worse"

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Submitted by Adam Taggart of Peak Prosperity blog,

Dr. Ron Paul has long been a leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, civil liberty, and non-interventionist foreign policies.

His last term in the U.S. House of Representatives ended earlier this year, so we caught up with the former Congressman to get his latest perspective on how successfully our national leadership is dealing with America’s economic challenges.

In Dr. Paul’s assessment, Washington is too committed to deficit spending and the debt-based economy – both operationally and philosophically – to expect it to embrace a more fiscally-responsible model without a forcing crisis (which he believes is coming):

[T]hey believe it like a religion that spending is good no matter what the spending is on. And that the deficits don't matter; deficits are not a burden. And even though we have this national debt and we have a foreign debt, they don't consider that so bad, as long as people will spend money. And if the people won't spend any money, the government has this moral obligation to do it.

 

I don't expect anything else because they are reflecting what I consider “prevailing attitudes.” And the prevailing attitudes for the last 50 or 60 years, especially since the 1930s, has been spending and deficits and printing money is the way to go.

 

But where I am encouraged is outside of Washington. You get a better perspective from people like you who talk about this and get people to look at their investments. I think this is beneficial, because a lot of people are realizing this whole system is deeply flawed, and they are looking elsewhere. And that is why I talk a lot about free markets, and property rights, and Austrian economics, and getting rid of the Fed. All these things are now up for grabs. A lot of people, especially the young people, are looking at this. So, for this reason, I am a bit encouraged by what might come out of this.

 

But I think we are going to go through the ringer. I think it's going to get much, much worse. It is bad enough already, but there is no way that we can step back.

 

The one thing I am convinced of, after having spent so much time in Washington, is that this will not be a gradual recovery from this disaster that we have. We are not going to elect enough people and have enough courage to vote the right way; there is too much demagoguing and too much misunderstanding. The people would revolt, but the collapse will come. It is going to hit the dollar, and then we are going to have our opportunity. 

 

So, the more people who are protected intellectually as well as financially, the better off we will be in rebuilding what we will need to do in the near future.

Dr Paul continues to be vocal about the destructive role the Federal Reserve’s loose and interventionist monetary policies are having in enabling the mal-investment in the system:

What if the Fed could not buy government debt? What a different world it would be. Everybody said this would be a disastrous to the economy but what if people accommodated with this?

 

What if there was a dependency on saving? What if we did have a market rate of interest? And what if that resulted in less bubbles? All of a sudden the world would be a different place.

 

But no...The only thing they can even do is spend more and more money. That is the only tool they have.

 

So, for that reason, I am not shocked at the numbers. I guess I am more surprised that the whole thing holds together so long. Because when you look at this, and you look at the foreign debt, and the national debt it is so outrageous, and there is still confidence in the dollar, the world they do not have a good currency, so the best they can come up with is the dollar, but even the dollar is less popular than it used to be. It is being held a lot less now as reserve currency, but we can still buy oil, and we can still buy our stuff from China, and they take our currency.

 

But what amazes me is that it holds together. So I think monetizing debt and spending and deficit is going to get much, much worse until the world rejects the dollar. And there will be a rejection here at home, and prices will soar, and eventually interest rates will break loose and they will start rising.

He continues to view precious metals as prudent to hold in advance of this currency crisis. But in the long run, he sees civil agitation for smaller government as our best strategy:

I don't think the euro is going to replace the dollar. And that certainly looks like it is the case. You are not going to go to yen, and you are not going to go to special drawing rights…

 

No, when people become frightened, they look for things of real value, and I don't think they can repeal the laws of economics that says that for 6,000 years metals have been beneficial. They will go to monetary metals, gold and silver, and they will buy other things, such as buying property. But no matter what we have, whether we have our gold coins or we have our property, if we have an authoritarian government, that is our greatest threat.

 

So, I would like to think that there is no perfect protection, other than shrinking the size and scope and power of government, so that we can be left alone and take care of ourselves.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Dr. Ron Paul (19m:37s):

 

 

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Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:06 | 3640729 stinkhammer
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eric, barry and benny could learn a thing or two from this statesman

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:09 | 3640744 espirit
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"...if we have an authoritarian government, that is our greatest threat"...

That is a revelation, and thank you Dr. Paul.

/sarc on/off, I forget which.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3640778 Zer0head
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Few options for online users to avoid spying, experts say

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/07/193356/few-options-for-online-user...

 

sayonara amigos

 

I leave you with this -  take heed and God Bless

 

http://bit.ly/1245ahu

 

Zer0head going dark

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:38 | 3640824 espirit
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Will miss you bud...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:56 | 3640890 Hulk
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Its the fake Zer0head...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:00 | 3640898 smlbizman
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fake or not...pussy..

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:57 | 3641070 55 men
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" It is going to hit the dollar, and then WE are going to have our opportunity. "

 

This how I have seen it, I am somebody who has to believe there are some good guys in high places, out there waiting for this to collapse. Call me bat crazy or whatever. Things will get much worse before they get better but they will get better.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:29 | 3641362 fuckitall
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I don't share your optimism.

I believe when (not if) USD is rejected by other nations and loses reserve status, that's it for America, game over, done, finished.

Like I keep saying, govt plans vs banker plans.  Way different.  And bankers have always won.

Who knows, end of USD could be soon, maybe why Bernanke disappeared, even why all this surveilance stuff coming out, last fear campaign hoping to keep sheeple in line if it does go soon. 

Always figured it would be slow slide to worthless, but maybe not.  SCO announcing gold-backed currency would kill USD overnite.  We'd wake up to worthless dollar and market pandemonium, and it goes downhill from there.

I never felt Rothschilds et al want America as the center of their "world government".   Always felt it would be Europe.  No evidence, just gut feeling.    Maybe they feel it's time to "take America down a few notches" before this surveilance stuff really gets out of hand, and killing the dollar would be a simple way to do it.  They're bankers after all. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:05 | 3641556 Cheduba
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I agree that the world will probably be run from Europe and probably always has been run by the old bloodlines directly from their old hunting grounds.  It seems like many current events can point back to the financial district known as "The City" of London.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:55 | 3641654 tango
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I am convinced that our current circumstances are due to our own ineptitude, willingness to take the easy way out, opting for gratification over prudence, spending over saving and fighting over trading.   I've ignored all the conspiratorial views of history because they're so simplistic - like blaming Jews for the Black Death or Mexicans for a bad economy.  Sometimes there are no pat answers, no convenient group to point fingers at.  

The USD will be the last fiat around due to historical pressures alone.  The world currency does not collapsed while such dingbats as the pound and euro float merrily along.  We are the authors of our demise - not some shadowy group.  The spying was simpy the next stage for folks who know nothing to do except react.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3640904 Oldwood
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It looks like their plan is working. There is about as much chance of any of us becoming victims of this dumbass crackpot "intelligence" system our government has created, as being killed by a terrorist. As with the profiling by the IRS and every other heavy handed and corrupt action this government takes, its more for effect than actual results. They want us afraid. Afraid of everything and everyone. Our fear is their power. We have just seen someone stand up to them and likely he will suffer, but the more of us that pull our heads down and act like we can somehow hide from this are no more enlightened than the jews were in Germany, as they were hauled away, first one at a time and eventually in train car loads. I'm not saying we should lunge straight into their bayonetts but to go sillent now seems like a complete waste and an ultimate capitulation to me. But then again I could simply be a fool, like everyone else who thought they could stand against tyranny.                                                                                                        

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:07 | 3640922 fonzannoon
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Maybe now that this kid laid it on the line we all owe him something. Maybe we should all be asking ourselves how we can help this guy in our own way so what he did matters.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:11 | 3640935 A Lunatic
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Stand, bitchez............

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:15 | 3641102 Meat Hammer
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Libertarians:  Wanting to take over the world and leave you alone. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:11 | 3640938 americanspirit
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Oldhead - you are not a fool. You are a voice of sanity. It is helpful to remember that those who are putting these systems into place are simply flawed humans who, despite their belief that by being hierarchically organized into seemingly flawless systems they are somehow superor intelligences, they are in the end just greater fools. The people who sit at the heart of governmental power are no smarter, and no more competent, than anyone else, and despite their flagrant abuse of regulatory power, they are still simple idiots. That will be the salvation of our democracy, if there is to be a salvation instead of degenerative chaos.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 16:50 | 3643587 tango
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Perfect.  My reasons exactly for not giving credence to conspiracy theories as explanation for this or that event.   Govt officials are just like us only they have a little power.  They are no smarter or talented or competent and thus, could not meticulously organize exotic conspiracies and execute them with perfection - especially when every atom of evidence demonstrates their utter incompentence.  

We have devolved to a point where officias earnestly insist that the best way to fight terrorists is by spying on the American people. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:42 | 3641031 Midasking
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Well said... we just need more to wake up and take a stand http://tinyurl.com/n8hmfya

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:09 | 3640930 Milestones
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Sorry to see ya split. The older poster blues. Have a good one no matter what.             Milestones

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:02 | 3641193 TheReplacement
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Go dark.  Go hide.  Just go.

NSA:  Go to hell.  I ain't going dark or hiding.  You bastards cannot control me or make me fear you.  

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:17 | 3641738 Abaco
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Fuck the NSA.  Jail James Clapper and every asshole working at NSA, or Congress, or anyone in the Executive Branch or the judiciary, who knew about this.  The LAW is not what those pukes say it is. 

 

9-11 False flag. Ricin. Biological agent. Bomb. Allah. airplane. pressure cooker. nerve gas. jihad. messenger. Bin laden. Al Quaeda. consitution. limited government. pro-life. sovereign. Fuck the NSA. Screw the IRS. Jail Holder. Jail Obama. End the Fed. Screw Bernanke. Jail John Corzine. treason. Caliphate. Sharia. Eat shit and die tyrants.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:41 | 3642087 Turin Turambar
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While I understand your sentiment, don't let them run you off.  I'm surely on several lists already, and attempt to engage people in conversation regarding the state of things when the opportunity presents itself.  The authoritarians can kiss my arse.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
--Edmund Burke

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:57 | 3644935 redrob25
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Zer0head,

There are options to avoid spying. While the NSA is developing the Utah super spy center, even they have limitations. 

Firstly, they can only break 128 bit AES encryption with their super computer complexes. They can't break 256bit AES. So, you just get two things:

 

1)Free - Truecrypt (.org) -- encrypt all your local computer files with 256bit AES, using at least a 14 character passphrase. That protects your data 'at rest'.

2) Cryptohippie - this pay VPN service encrypts your communications with 256bit AES, uses proxy chaining to 'scramble' the pathways to avoid detection, and uses forward packet security to make it nearly impossible for anyone to capture more than a few packets of your data at a time (and they still have to decrypt it). 

 

There are ways to ensure your safetly online, and that article you quoted was fearmongering bullshit. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:30 | 3640995 Redneck Hippy
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"Ron Paul has long been a leading voice for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, civil liberty, and non-interventionist foreign policies."

Ron Paul is a moron who spouts crazy conspiracy theories and libertarian mumbo-jumbo as long as he can get attention from media outlets and any dumb-ass billionaire with money.

Zero Hedge demeans itself by giving credence to Paul's dementia-laden diatribes.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:03 | 3641197 TheReplacement
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Wow dude, don't understand history much?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 01:40 | 3641318 SWIFT 760
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kikebot

get the fuck outta here

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:45 | 3641451 RabidLemming
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i hope you die in a fire

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 06:27 | 3641474 Pareto
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and unfortunately, ZH also demeans itself to redneck hppies who are incapable of distinguishing their brains from their own ass.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:13 | 3641566 Charles Nelson ...
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Not sure why I'm wasting the minute to type this, but you are a fucking moron that should immediately remove oneself from any sort of conversation about anything at all. There are some good Dead cover bands that I recommend you follow.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:59 | 3644942 Ctrl_P
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That you MDB ?? - Just on the political tangent rather than the economic one?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:32 | 3641240 John Law Lives
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Those a-holes don't want to learn.  They want to impose their own will.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:44 | 3641449 RabidLemming
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i was going to say something really witty.... and all i can think of is "we are so fucked" going to go drink more now and pretend this will get better.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:06 | 3640732 howenlink
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Ron Paul!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:15 | 3640950 icanhasbailout
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... and that's the good news

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:07 | 3640734 Bay of Pigs
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"We are not going to elect enough people and have enough courage to vote the right way"

I nominate Edward Snowden.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:24 | 3640782 AlaricBalth
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Snowden donated to Ron Paul's campaign in 2012. It should have been a clue that he was not a goose stepping sycophant who can be influenced to toe the "company" line.

SNOWDEN, EDWARD
COLUMBIA,MD 21045 DELL 3/18/2012 $250 Paul, Ron
SNOWDEN, EDWARD
WAIPAHU,HI 96797 SENIOR ADVISOR 5/6/2012 $250 Paul, Ron

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:28 | 3640795 samsara
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Great find

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:35 | 3640815 duo
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I guess the IRS will be asking for an audit.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 06:58 | 3641487 howenlink
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AlaricBalth, that just made my day.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:26 | 3640789 francis_sawyer
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Shit!

~~~

all my GOOD comments were dropped in the previous BUSH/OBAMA/GROSS & BOOZ ALLEN threads be4...

I'm 'tapped' bitchez [unless someone else has a ready loaded MAG to toss me]...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:33 | 3640810 Dr. Engali
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Here you go Francis. Watch Bill Maher defend the NSA

http://youtu.be/eNhO7j7dK_8

Oh and he is Jewish btw. ;->

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:51 | 3640868 francis_sawyer
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Doc... I gotta admit... I really don't watch ANYONE... [I really don't because my thesis is that ANY media personality is a shill]...

~~~

Which means... I rely on my own instincts... If they are incorrect [which sometimes they are]... I ADMIT to the mistake...

I think anyone who has ever read any of my comments on ZH would not ever be able to build a case to discredit that... & I'll stand by that comment until someone endeavors to prove me wrong...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:31 | 3640885 Dr. Engali
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I agree. I don't watch any of the statist propaganda, I will follow a link though. It is funny to see them all pile on the same side of the ship on this one stripping away the facade that there is a difference between them.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:32 | 3641001 francis_sawyer
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THAT... You quite obviously... UNDERSTAND...

~~~

Which is why your comments on this blog are easily understood... The 'stripping away' [which you refer to], are, metaphorically... ONION LAYERS...

Onion layers... Boiled frogs... It's ALL a part of the daily news that we're either expected to:

- subject to

- argue against

- get bulldozed under

Frankly... I... as a somewhat 'FARMER'... advocate the LAST of those optioins...

WhY?

Because I spend the bulk of my time FIGHTING those elements that would ultimately destroy my productive crops...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:20 | 3640960 TeamDepends
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Got your back francis, but it was probably "twat waffle" that sent them over the edge.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:08 | 3640889 Bay of Pigs
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I watched that. Just wow. What a scary bunch of tools all shitting on the Constitution and Bill of Rights at once.

That is the definition of Full Retard right there.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:20 | 3641111 FreedomGuy
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Bill Maher is in the words of the old Soviets, a useful idiot.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 14:05 | 3679867 rustymason
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Bill Maher and his tribe still opens their mouths any time a comrade says, "Body of Stalin." They're still angry about the Berlin Wall falling on their heads.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:57 | 3640892 smlbizman
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pigs....thats 1 ...and question..... do we support mike lee and ted cruz, rand paul and maybe a handful more?...(personally i give them room to get off the hardline)...you cant get anywhere standing in front of the train and telling it to stop....jesus christ look how that short armed fucking piece  of shit mccain treats rand paul on the floor.....( and as a side bar...graham, we know you suck dick) ..so the machine is massive,... fuck, ross periot quit from threats, and how long a go was that?....as a human i want to believe in man ...so a few more edward snowdens, bradely mannings and maybe the gentlemen mentioned above and we start to turn this sinking fucking battleship around.....so lets make some fucking noise.... get on our close peoples nerves... give them printed articles...while standing in line start a conversation....and any other way you fuckers can think of.......i read the words of someone a few yrs ago who said..."when corruption starts making the headlines we are getting close".... well, i think we are there....so francis_ ,et al keep running your mouths and all you other fight clubers...MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE..... 

disclaimer,..i may have a buzz...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:07 | 3640923 espirit
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With no outrage, there will be no fight.

WHERE.IS.THE.OUTRAGE?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:46 | 3641043 francis_sawyer
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@smlbizman

~~~

Yeah I guess... I guess I'll keep runnin' my mouth...

But that's only because I keep:

- wakin up in the mornin'

- & the sun always seems to keep risin' in the east

When that stops happening... I'll just SHUT UP... I promise you...

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:04 | 3641080 smlbizman
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francis_...i have so many people that hate me ..but i dont fucking care...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:21 | 3641114 Meat Hammer
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If so many people hate you you're doing something right.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:35 | 3641366 not applicable
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Perhaps flouride prevents the outrage? I mean, combine this with all of the antidepresents that doctors are so quick to prescribe and you get a great recipe for "melo soup".

For those who actually feel the outrage, perhaps it is quelled by mind-numbing entertainment ("Reality" TV shows, pro sports, MTV etc...) coupled with a recognition that they are only about 5% of Americans who are actually mad enough to want to do something.

Or...perhaps with so many people looking for a job (or a better one) they NEED to believe that the government will fix it all.

We'll probably have a lost 2 decades and by the end of 2030 we'll have a GDP comprised of 80% services, 10% Farmville "products" and 10% actual goods production. Real inflation will be 10 - 20% annualized (2010 - 2030) but CPI will have it pegged between  a "healthy" 3 - 5% annualized; meanwhile, paper gold and silver will be kept at ridiculously low levels (as they are right now); and the age to start collecting social security will be 70. ..oh yeah, and the bulk of everyone's 401Ks will consist o Treasury bills/bonds.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:11 | 3640936 oklaboy
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buzzzz?   duhhhhhhhhhhh

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:07 | 3641207 TheReplacement
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We can't turn the battleship around.  We must go...

Forward!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:21 | 3641754 Abaco
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Fuk McCain.  Fuck the NSA. Fuck Lindsey Graham. Fuck the NSA. Fuck the FBI. Fuck John Roberts (so they got dirt on you - be  a man). Fuck Peter King. Jihad. Fuck Feinstein. Sharia. Fuck Pelosi. Ricin. Fuck Erick Holder. Car bomb. 

 

There is a little noise.  To be repeated in endless variations on every email, text message, phone conversation, web posting, etc. Their shit only works when fear reigns.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:13 | 3640945 Milestones
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Oonstituionally, He must be 35 years of age; this very brave dude is 29.

I DID presume you meant for President. With some egg on my face.        Milestones

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:41 | 3641372 not applicable
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Edward Snowden can be head of an Agency...Jesse Ventura for Pres.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:33 | 3642055 Things that go bump
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Jesse couldn't even manage to be a governor. While I think he actually means well and has the endearing quality of saying just what you want to hear, his raging narcissism gets in the way of actually accomplishing anything and I don't think he actually wants to have to do the real work involved in governance, though that might be a plus for the kingmakers, the powers behind the throne. I grant that his term here in Minnesota was amusing, kind of like having Donald Duck at the helm of state, but I personally think we have become cartoonish enough without electing a Looney Toon.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3640755 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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This ties into finance and the FED. The fucking FED is enabling all this with their unlimited money. Congress keeps increasing spending to enabling the state and in turn all the contractors who do the actual spy work. Kill the FED and it stops once Congress is forced to keep a budget. Throw all the fuckers out in Congress who vote for this shit and letting Government grow larger and more intrusive. The source of this is a spending problem being enabled by cheap and easy credit. If you stock traders here want to protest monkey hammer the fuck out of Google, Facebook et al called out so far as being tied into PRISM. Short the fuck out of them. Also monitor the traffic closely on those stocks see if their is coordinated algo push back to counteract the monkey hammering. If it is big enough you know the FED and the TBTF banks are behind it and in turn it is an admittance they are in bed and on board with the spy totaltarian spy state and it's agencies.

If I was the Tyler(s) or contributors here I'd watching all the companies named in the PRISM program's stocks closely this week to get some clues to how much do people give a fuck about this whole mess by how they trade those stocks and what resistance is there if any and how large and by who. It might make for some eye opening finance blog entries this coming week.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3640808 samsara
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That's why one of Ron Paul's Biggest Books was "End the Fed"

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:36 | 3640819 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The Ron Paul people know this the rest of the people not so much. You need to remind the others who is enabling all this. The chain is simple FED (money creater) > Congress (money spenders). The NSA and the contractors right or wrong, moral or immoral, law or no law are only expenditures when you get right down to it.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:05 | 3640915 samsara
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Yes and the focus should be the owners of the FED.

The individuals should be named like the B-burger's list is.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:17 | 3640953 Milestones
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Good post--cut to the chase stuff.              Milestones

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:01 | 3641076 Matt
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Will Obamacare be the straw that breaks the camels back?

In that last speech, Obama said that there would be tax rebates / subsidies for people who could not afford Obamacare. The ZH article showed an INCREASE of over $100 per month per person.

If half of Americans fall into the definition of "cannot afford" and they get an average of 50% of just the $100 monthly increase in cost rebated, that would be ~150 million people times ~$600 for about $900 billion. Obamacare could add a trillion to the deficit.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:25 | 3641126 Meat Hammer
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It was designed to be the straw.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:20 | 3641994 MachoMan
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never do mental math in public...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3641168 analyzer_66
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+1 - you are indeed fucking-A right !!  But you wont see any PRISM related stocks get shorted, look at who sits on the board of directors of all those companies - all people who are in bed with the banker class.  Aint gonna happen.  You'll see market set interest rates before you see the PRISM be broken and smashed apart.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:13 | 3640756 Cognitive Dissonance
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I find it interesting that Ron Paul seems to speak more freely now that he is out of office. Even "truthsayers" are limited in the truth they can speak when "public servants".

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:18 | 3640767 CClarity
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Lest they be called traitors.  

It is vile how that word is bandied about so freely now, and usually it simply means "you don't agree with me so you are the enemy, you are traitorous to me, so I'll say you're an enemy of the state.  Sigh.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:24 | 3640769 Dr. Engali
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I agree things are going to get much, much worse. With the amount if scandals opening up lately there is no telling what they have in store for us as a distraction. Before they are done the sheeple will be begging them to monitor their phone and Internet activities.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3640807 francis_sawyer
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Gosh Golly Gee Wow...

~~~

Things might ACTUALLY suck one day when we finally decide to acknowledge the fucking ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM...

That would really suck... Especially... Because when that happens, there will no longer be a Zero Hedge around to ripple my synthetic 'FUCK THE MAN' comments into the pond & be considered a GOD for doing so...

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:38 | 3640823 fonzannoon
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I'd like to have several of my zh brotheren's actual contact info before that day comes. Be such a waste to have this go up in smoke and watching valuable contacts all over the world go up in smoke.

besides when you all come scrambling to NY how will you all know where to find me?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:56 | 3640891 Creepy Lurker
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Ok, I'll bite. Why would anyone go to NY, let alone scramble?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:05 | 3640917 francis_sawyer
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@fonzanoon

~~~

Believe it or not... I'd also like that to become a reality [shit circumstances considered]...

Unfortunately ~ I always default to the logical & mathematical reality that it will NEVER OCCUR... Not necessarily 'ever'... but more 'ever' in the sense that it won't happen within my lifetime [based on the EXTRAORDINARY MAGICAL SUPERPOWERS  that money printers appear to hold versus the mortal calculations of an ordinary human lifespan]... I'm NOT SURE I can outlive that time window [though I'm SURE the outcome is inevitable]...

IOW ~ I'd love to sit down & have a beer with you... kito... Doc... & anyone else that has dedicatedc their TIME to posting their thoughts on this blog...

Maybe the PLOT will allow that to become a reality... Maybe NOT...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:14 | 3640947 fonzannoon
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It's the next logical step from here. Otherwise we will stagnate on here pitching each other the same shit.

I have put some thought into creating a sort of Zerohedge "Linkedin". I am actually going to get it moving. I don't pimp a blog and I truly value the friends I have made on here. My angle is nothing other than creating a network of resourceful people who generally share the same mindset. The idea is that if I had to transact business, I'd prefer to do it through someone on here who may benefit. If someone on here needed a job, wanted to help their kid who just graduated (It's all who you know right?)...etc etc.

Beyond that, and I have said this for a while. I would love to grab a beer with many of you. I have not travelled in a while. But I will start getting om the move relatively soon. It would be awesome to call out the city I am going to, and have others do the same, and start grabbing some beers and finally take this bag off my head.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:25 | 3640971 Creepy Lurker
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I suggest building the Zero Hedge Bug Out Compound in Wyoming. In the western part of the state, where most of the land looks like the surface of Mars, acreage is really cheap, and permaculture can work wonders in the desert...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:15 | 3641218 Bay of Pigs
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I met up with a couple of ZHers in Portland last summer (Mr Lennon Hendrix and johansen). It was a gas.

Chumba and a few others were supposed to be there but couldn't make it. There are lots of us out here on the West Coast.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:25 | 3641361 noless
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I'm down to meet if youd have the likes of me around.

Consider it at least.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:46 | 3641261 Divine Wind
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Spot on. Great idea.

And they love guns in that part of the country. :)

 

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3641131 Meat Hammer
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You're welcome in Northern California.

But I want you to wear the bag, LOL.  

Serioulsly, though, I think it's a great idea.  I'm getting together with like-minded people and preparing SHTF scenarios and plans. Why not have escape valves all over the country with people who you know are intelligent, prepared, and care enough to be on ZH?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:27 | 3641230 RockyRacoon
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Maybe the NSA will be kind enough to put us all in the same internment camp.  They should have at least that modicum of a sense of humor.  No beer for me boys, I quit that stuff long ago.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:33 | 3641138 Apply Force
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Fonz - I, along with many others I'm sure, would take part in whatever you can put together.  I read more than I comment, and do my best to act on my thoughts more than I speak (or write) about most ZH topics anyway...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:13 | 3641352 lakecity55
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I am sure a way can be found to communicate with stuff like hushmail, fake email boxes, etc.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:10 | 3641560 MilwaukeeMark
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Amateur radio ... I'm keeping my license current and my skill sets up. Ideal way to communicate when all other modes are shut down. Your location on HF is very hard to track as the radio waves bounce all over the upper atmosphere. Licensing has never been easier and a quite sopsticated equipment set up is less than $1000. Antennas are a simple piece of wire high up in the trees, very hard to even see. Most new rigs run off 12 volts and can be kept charged with a simple cheap solar charger. Most rigs monitor every frequency sprectrum, shortwave, military, etc.

If you are serious about prepping you will need to keep your ears to the rail and this is the way to do it.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:09 | 3641090 smlbizman
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count me in...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:45 | 3641157 Abi Normal
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I haven't been here long posting, but I've been reading for quite some time!  I have been prepping for a while, yet when I lost my job, I've plowed thru all of my savings and retirement, and face ruin!  I hold my head high, but am not sure I can hold onto all my preps, or my family, if this new job does not work out.  I've never done sales before, so it will be an interesting change at 54 years old; however, I have many things I can do, including building things...anyway I know you guys dont know me from Adam, but I will be in Richmond VA if any of you are in the area, just look for Sgt. Unix Crust!!!

that id not my real name but that is the monaker I will live under! 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:13 | 3640944 oklaboy
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well pour one for me

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 07:58 | 3641529 Disenchanted
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@francis_sawyer Elephant? What Elephant??

Jews Dominate Vanity Fair 100 Most Influential Moguls List 

 

 

I guess the Swiss Cheesepopes better sue the Jewish Daily Forward blogger Michael Kaminer.../s

 

To paraphrase George Carlin: It's a big tribal club, and 98% of us aren't in the right tribe.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:04 | 3641687 g speed
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I'm in the goyum tribe and a jew can never be in it--period. 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:40 | 3640835 jon dough
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Gonna go out on a limb here, Dr. E, and posit that some, maybe much of what's been going down, is a prelude, a softening up of our defenses, with an eye towards 2016. And beyond.

How they held on for the past "X" number of years (too many people smarter than me have too wide a variety of the possible timelines for our downfall for me to assign a number so "X" it is...) is beyond me.

Therefore, I think their capacity to carry on is possibly infinite in size as long as they keep the insane calliope music playing, keeping us off balance and chasing ghosts.

"Old Charlie stole the handle, and the train, it won't stop going, no way to slow down...oh, oh"

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 05:59 | 3641462 Wild tree
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Thanks Jon, love that song.....Locomotive Breath/Jethro Tull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KR2H16Mr5g

In the shuffling madess
of the locomotive breath,
runs the all-time loser,
headlong to his death.
He feels the piston scraping
steam breaking on his brow
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train it won't stop going
no way to slow down.

He sees his children jumping off
at the stations - one by one.
His woman and his best friend
in bed and having fun.
He's crawling down the corridor
on his hands and knees
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train it won't stop going
no way to slow down.

He hears the silence howling
catches angels as they fall.
And the all-time winner
has got him by the balls.
He picks up Gideons Bible
open at page one
old Charlie stole the handle and
the train it won't stop going
no way to slow down.

For all the Zero's, thanks for the facts/outrage/entertainment. Lock and load. Salute!!!!!!!!!! R we there yet???
Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:20 | 3640774 Prairie Dog
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We're doomed, doomed! And we have been since the 1930s! The great era of post-war American prosperity never happened. It was all an illusion created by an unsustainable debt bubble. Oh no!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:45 | 3640850 nmewn
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Try to get a hold of yourself ;-)

We are not responsible for fiscal malfeasance, they are. Its one of the reasons you will never see me saying I owe anyone anything in the public sphere.

I no more advocated this than I advocated them creating laws excluding themselves from law or trading accounts to allow them to profit in making laws.

They own, let it burn.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:52 | 3641062 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

They own, let it burn.

...and send all the bills to their estate, their heirs, and their descendents.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:26 | 3641128 samsara
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Personally Go Iceland on the whole thing.   

like the Who said

We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still

 

Shunning -

Verb

Persistently avoid, ignore, or reject (someone or something).

No Credit card usage, Debt, VERY low overhead... 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:30 | 3641146 Meat Hammer
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We're doomed, doomed! And we have been since the 1930s! The great era of post-war American prosperity never happened. It was all an illusion created by an unsustainable debt bubble. Oh no!

I love people like you who take an 80-year window, aka a blip, in the history of mankind and use it to prove a ridiculous point.

And by "love" I mean I want to kick you in the coin purse.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:27 | 3640790 fonzannoon
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Nice to see that Political cum dumpster Mccain trying to talk down Rand Paul today by pointing to the boston bombing as proof that we need these massive nsa programs.

Whatever happened to that boston younger brother since he stunned everyone by walking off that boat. aaaawkward.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3640830 Dr. Engali
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That fucking McCain is a piece of shit. I'd love for Rand to smack that hypocrite down a notch or two. Rand needs to point out that with all this snooping the NSA failed at their task when it came to preventing the questionable Boston bombing.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:50 | 3640869 nmewn
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Lets not leave Lindsey Graham out of this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lindsey-graham-glad-nsa-gathering-phone-records-i-know-im-not-talking-to-terrorists/

He's "glad" NSA is running rampant over his liberty & freedom...me?...not so much.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:51 | 3640878 Dr. Engali
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He's another southern belle p.o.s that I could never stand.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:13 | 3640943 espirit
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Doc, I am sure hoping you're not knocking down "southern belles".

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:56 | 3641068 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

Doc, I am sure hoping you're not knocking down "southern belles".

I think he's referring only to those southern belles who have a dewlap and a penis and have been elected to the US senate.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:24 | 3641122 jon dough
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Still, using Barky Math, that's, like, 124 of 'em, right?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:00 | 3640900 samsara
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Has he come out of the closet yet?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:47 | 3641046 jon dough
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I hear the closet tribal council took a vote and KICKED his ass out.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:12 | 3641351 dvfco
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Whoever he is talking to is talking to a political terrrorist.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:58 | 3640896 Hulk
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McCain and the rest of the Keating five should have been banned from politics for life...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:00 | 3640897 jon dough
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Banned from life for politics...?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:24 | 3641578 Charles Nelson ...
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How bout we just ship him off to a nursing home in Yuma and shoot him up with all the medication Obamacare can buy?

That way his cunt wife and daughter can freely shove as many dicks in their mouths as they like, out in the open with no consequences. What a despicable phony family they are.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3640834 ebworthen
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You would think after all those years held captive in a hole by the Viet Cong freedom and liberty back at home might mean something to McCain.

"Manchurian Candidate" comes to mind.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 02:11 | 3641350 dvfco
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I know someone who spent more than 1/2 decade in the Hanoi Hilton.  He told a funny story about what they would do if they made it out alive.  One guy said, 'teacher', another said, 'build the house of my dreams, brick by brick' and so on.  McCain's answer: "I'm going to be the president of the United States."  I have to respect him for his service and for not taking the easy way out in 'nam, but he is scary.  The fact that he has no respect for personal liberty and would seemingly send 10,000 American kids to POW camps to save one Israeli fingernail if fucking nuts.

How do you go to a POW camp and come out with views like his?  By the way, that's a true story above.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3640837 francis_sawyer
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Hey fonz... Dontcha kno?...

~~~

- Boston Red Sox [predicted to be LAST in the AL East]

- Boston Bruins [milquetost #3 seed ~ Now in the STANLEY CUP FINALS]

BASTIN STRANG bitchez!

~~~

The very reason I like you, [& kito & Doc, still]... Not that anyone really even cares... Is that you are ALL still oblivious to all this nonsense... I ADMIRE people of "faith"... NOT 'RELIGION"... "FAITH"...

Carry on...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:00 | 3640865 fonzannoon
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nevermind my deleted response Francis I think I read you all wrong there.

I am glad you like me, Doc and Kito and I agree it's all about faith.

 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:17 | 3640954 francis_sawyer
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@fonz

~~~

As I've said many times before...  It's all about faith [which ISN'T a 'religion', it's TRUST]... It's HARD to gain trust in any way, shape, or form, [in real life ~ which is not easily understood until one's EFFORTS to maximize their numeric 'FRIEND' network via social media resulted in disaster]...

It mostly takes TIME... TIME is the factor that smoothes out the edges [or, 'clarifies' them]...

It takes 'aptitude' [on the listener] to decipher TRUST... It's an entirely mobile & fluid process...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:34 | 3641013 fonzannoon
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i see you are giving me some tips. you are probably right.

I'd absolutely settle for a beer.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:46 | 3640856 Vendetta
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Ironically, the boston bombing is testimony to the ineffectiveness of all the spying

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:10 | 3640931 bonin006
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Not just ineffective, but counterproductive. they were too busy trying to spy on everyone to pay enough attention to people the Russians pointed out were terrorists.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:07 | 3641557 tarsubil
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What are you talking about? They used it very effectively to paint the picture they needed.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:28 | 3640792 Truther
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Dr. Paul is a genious. He has awakened some of the masses out there to the reality of things and the FED.

So many times he told Bernancke that you're fucking the republic.

Bernancke's response (in other words)...."I am fucked" and there is nothing I can do about it. "So please, lay off my ass".

 

Fuck you Bernancke.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:50 | 3640871 A Lunatic
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The truths he has stood for year over year are foundational philosophical beliefs that have been common knowledge to observant men for generations. That this is seen as genius is further testimony to just how far removed the average American citizen is from a basic understanding of the proper relationship between the individual and the State..............

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:29 | 3640798 mydogisprettier...
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Long live President Paul!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:30 | 3640799 Spastica Rex
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If there's sufficient energy to power the complexity of a global totalitarian super-state, it will happen.

We're bees and this is our hive.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:43 | 3641032 Mike in GA
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Good point following the "if".  No guarantees because the growing complexity requires more societal inputs to be juussst right.  Ain't happenin.  In fact, just the opposite.  More things going wrong, bridges collapse, buildings fall down, bombs go off, liberties are cavalierly traded away for security by the highest sworn Constitutional officer in the land, etc. 

Oh yeah, and the money thing.  Somethin about reserve currency.  Sound as a dollar, etc.  Ain't happenin either.  Just as those stupid dead rayciss white men warned against in that ancient paper we've turned our economy over to the financial types and they've blown it.  Again.

So now we have bridges collapsing, buildings falling down, bombs going off, liberties eroded,  AND we're getting deeper and deeper into debt.  Complexity.  Right.

Hives can collapse way too easily.  

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:30 | 3640800 samsara
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Best President America Never Had.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:32 | 3640803 knowshitsurelock
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Fuck Bernanke

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:33 | 3640813 ebworthen
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On the pillars of the U.S. Capitol at the top are ears of corn.

The U.S. supplies a huge amount of food to the world.

The Dollar is still "strong" because we grow so much food.

Having a huge military doesn't hurt either.

Problem being, both have become increasingly parasitic and unsustainable.

No need to wonder why the CONgress bows low for the likes of Monsanto and Boeing.

Add to it Financial Markets that are a complete Ponzi and you have the leadership of the nation in government and the corporatocracy (the kleptoligarchy) shooting heroin and smoking meth.

Yeah, you can stay up for 72 hours and do some amazing things but have you seen the before and after pictures?

The poor kids (us, the People) are left to witness the horror and do the chores for our sick "Parents".

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:34 | 3640814 Spastica Rex
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I like your perspective better than mine.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:09 | 3640929 XitSam
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End agricultural subsidies! End all subsidies!

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:40 | 3641026 goldenbuddha454
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The Chinese buying Smithfield for 5 billion is the beginning of the end for the US feeding the world.  Sorry to say they're taking over even the most secure interests here.  They know that when they take over the food supply, they'll have total control.  Control the food and you control the people.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 23:22 | 3641117 Mike in GA
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"All your sausages are belong to us."

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:38 | 3640821 lolmao500
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When it hits, it's gonna end up with a LOT of dead people... and LOTS of military movements across the world when the US government is too busy fighting the crisis at home to care what Russia, China and extremists are doing... Hopefully this whole thing doesn't end up with WW3 but history suggests that it will come to that.

There's a few months, perhaps a few years left of relative peace in the west, take advantage of that... because when it rains, it pours...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:41 | 3640838 Aurora Ex Machina
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He still doesn't get just how bad it will be.

The major problem the old guard always have [Kaiser / Hitler - Tzar/ Lenin / Stalin - Puyi / Mao -  Louis XV / Robespierre -  James I / Cromwell - NOW INSERT YOUR FOUNDING FATHERS INTO THIS - etc etc] is that they fundamentally always imagine that the new guard will resemble them.

It's a simple choice: you were offered the nice way out (slow decline, happiness, a nice retirement) but you went for broke ("NO PLAN B") and decided that your old ways were the only ways. Look at Bilderberg - all Oil powers there, all OLD media, all OLD powers. No-one under 46. All fucking retards. No brilliance. Nothing of worth, barring a shitty, shitty, shitty old extractive economy where if you're a CUNT you get rich. Oh, wait - So, treating people like slaves, raping the planet and fucking everyone is ORDER and PROFIT?

 

No, it isn't. Study Ecology you fucking 1.0 cunts. I am SO tired of your bullshit claims that you stabilize everything, and how smart you are, and how you protect Order. No. You. Do. Not.  It's a lie. You clip our wings, you crush our hereditary genetic advantages, you make us act normal, you crush our mental abilities, you stop us from being ourselves, you farm us out to provide "shining light" under strict conditions to make money and then break us, you take our songs and make the world turn to your stupid devices, and there is no progress. You do this with the threat of genocide to both us, and your stupider members, but fuck you. We're not allowed to hunt, we're not allowed to sing, we're not allowed to be ourselves because "ORDER" and "BALANCE".

 

Rule #1.

 

If you don't meet the contract, then fuck you. I AM SO TIRED OF YOUR SHIT.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3640843 Spastica Rex
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Yeah, but didn't you get an iPhone?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:56 | 3640854 Aurora Ex Machina
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You think I'm an idiot? Haven't had a mobile (that wasn't a $-throw) for over 10 years.

I want to let my wings spread. I want to be myself. I want to be allowed to be free. I want to stop living this bullshit mediocre lie. I want to hunt. I want to be allowed to do a little creative destruction sometime.

I want to LIVE.

Your system offers me nothing. It no longer even offers the promises of "Order" and "Stability". You failed. Let us have our time. We know how it goes: you've caged or hunted all the real Predators off the face of the planet, and you're UTTER UTTER CUNTS. Farming us for a brief moment of shining is wrong, and the old contract is broken. Sometimes you have to let evolution take it's course, and let it happen. Anything is better than Disneyland.

 

We want to exist without the threat of culling.  

 

We want to be equals and we hate your system. We want to Shine without being Farmed. If we end up replacing you, then deal with it. Killing the planet to stop it is heinous. We detest you. Let us go.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:56 | 3640888 A Lunatic
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Your first mistake is asking permission...........

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:04 | 3640913 Aurora Ex Machina
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Our kind are culled very quickly if we revolt. Take your current issues and multiply them a little (or - how to use MSM as an effective allegory for your own struggles).

Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star.

Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star

 

Most don't even make it past puberty.

 

Hybrids, on the other hand. Now, there you've an issue.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:50 | 3640872 jon dough
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Axe-ually, I gotz me a a dozen, cousin...

But, he's still right, +100, Au...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:11 | 3641215 dvfco
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If everyone gave up their I-Phone for an AR-15 and tried to make America a better place, what would happen?  (Please don't answer that we'd run out of AR-15s really quickly.  That would be funny, but shallow.)

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:42 | 3640842 apberusdisvet
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It's a shame the traitors outnumber the patriots 100:1.

The Marxists and Fascists have won, guys; the Cloward-Piven strategy has worked too well, and together with corporatocracy, they both have already destroyed the country.  The only way to survive the next decade is to get off the grid somewhere and grow your own food, and have plenty of ammo.

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:22 | 3640965 XitSam
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They haven't won. They've just turned it into a target rich environment.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:01 | 3641189 dvfco
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They have not won and will never win until we give up.  Like Great Britain in WWII, it looked like they could and would never win, but the voice of one man, Winston Churchill, rallied a country and the world to resist, fight and win.  Today, Ron Paul is one of the best voices of reason and, luckily, his words resonate not only with those who understand true economics, not Krugmanomics, Obamanomics or Abenomics, but also with the youth of America.  

It will be especially important for voices like his to resonate with the young in America as those born after 1980 never witnessed Vietnam or any other war that hit home (and many wrongly view Iraq and Afghanistan more like police actions than ongoing wars). They were born after the gas crisis, became aware as Reagan brought about a strengthened country, and watched "The Wall" crumble and the USSR dissolve.  I've noticed they seem to live in a world where they think nothing truly awful can happen on a large scale, because the only horror they've ever seen of any magnitude was 9/11.  Poor Americans born after 1980 are either serving in the military or know someone who serves and they see the inequality every day. Most of America's bottom 1/3rd of the economic pyramid know someone who has died or been maimed in service of our nation, while those raised in well-to-do families hardly are aware of the wars except when they cast their votes for Obama because he said he would stop them and fix everything wrong with our country.  These are the ones, coupled with everyone else under 55 who will never see a dime of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid or any other service we will have paid for our entire lives.  Why won’t we?  Because the fraud being perpetrated at every level of government, from local to federal, is so pervasive and broad is scope that it truly would not be believed by most.  Also, there are still some people so naïve as to think that more than a handful of politicians exist other than Ron Paul that are truly doing good and speaking the truth.

We need to start a list I'd refer to as the A.T.L. LIST.   It stands for "ABOVE THE LAW" and the names of these people need to be made public.  They need to be asked to stop what they are doing and makes lifelong acts of contrition - or face consequences.  Then, once they are named on these lists, they should be given 90 days to make public contrition, or face whatever those of us deem appropriate.  In other words, when people are never going to be held accountable by our government, we need to start holding them accountable individually and allow them it to become open season on everyone ATL and allow as many of our 300 million Americans to start bringing about a system of making sure nobody remains above the law.

Examples of people who may need to be handled outside of the court system would be people like Jon Corzine.  Once he would make the list he should be given 90 days to start bettering society or . . .   

I don't think any threats need to be made other than to say that after 90 days he should become fair game to be treated by others the way he has treated his fellow citizens.  I don't mean he should be robbed, but i think most will follow this line of thinking.  Once people make the list, ignore it, and find out what the consequences are, things might start to change in this country.  Has he stolen or misappropriated hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples’ money?  Is anyone’s life worth hundreds of millions of dollars?  That’s a question I’ve always pondered.

What if Corzine was treated simply the same way as any penniless American caught stealing from a supermarket is treated, especially after the 3rd time they are convicted?  What if people simply decided to take a stand and do what was knew in their heart was right.  We know that we cannot have a country where our children can have a chance to live in peace with freedom, privacy and opportunity if people like Corzine (and thousands of others, he's just a simple example) are permitted to continue to operate in society as they have done for decades.  What would people do to someone like him?  I don't know and I do not know want to say, lest I be treated like every other peasant in American who has spoken up over the years?

Think of Julian Assange and the gentlemen who just revealed the NSA/CIA secrets from Hong Kong.  Whether you agree with them or not, I believe they felt they were doing the right thing to better humanity and their lives will be destroyed for it.  Corizine, well, he can still get a 6 p.m. reservation on Friday night at the Palm and will still be able to pay for it with someone else's money – unless we make some changes.  Some people should learn the feeling of being afraid every time they walk out their front door.  Then they should know the feeling of not having a front door or house or anything else left that they hold dear.

This is all in my opinion - but THE ATL LIST could be a way forward, as 300 million Americans are just scary enough to the government for them to stockpile billions of rounds of ammo.  

But remember, there can never be a sufficient number of people in the government to touch even the slimmest minority of the 300 million if we become united in our cause to root out the evil in this country.  

 

Remember, right now they think they are untouchable.  However, at some point, Hitler also thought his victory was a guarantee.  Americans can make one hell of a difference when united for a good cause!

(The prior passage would be my final exam paper on how to begin to bring about a positive change in American Society if I were taking a PolySci class in HS or some college.  I'd get an F, but it's the way I feel.)

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 00:08 | 3641208 dvfco
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P.S. - How many hundred thousand more Americans do we want to see lose their jobs, get jailed for exercising their freedoms, or impoverished and left in a life of misery while those ABOVE THE LAW conntinue to wreak havoc on our society?

Slavery may have been abolished in the 1860s, but milllions of Americans feel they are living somewhere between slavery and indentured servitude.

While Obama and 10,000s of other government 'workers' are flying around the world to meetings and conferences at 5-star hotels while awaiting their 6-figure pensions after 20 years of menacing the poor - all on the American Worker's tit and foreigners bond purchases.

If we start the change today, Ron Paul will still be right, but we'll be one day closer to thing getting better.  Remember, right now there is very close to a 0% chance of anyone who has pillaged our nation ever being held accountable for their actions. Is it time to make a change?

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:36 | 3641017 sosoome
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Bullshit!

The fuggin marxies and fascies have won nothing! They will NEVER win. It's all based on lies, and liars ALWAYS take thier shit too far.

Find your testicles and get in the face of these liars! Good men MUST stand up! Expose them!

We have the greatest LEGAL document ever devised, but WE have to defend it, and USE it to defeat colloectivist progressives.

It's time for men to be men. Let not Edward Snowden's selfless act be in vain!

Fuck you and your cowardly defeatism.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 03:32 | 3641397 fuckitall
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Expose them?

That's it?  Just expose them and everything turns around magically?

They ARE being exposed.  And what happens?  Nothing.  Because sheeple don't care and those who do care are powerless to do anything about it.

I applaud Snowden's bravery, but what will it accomplish?  Answer: Nothing.

Your constitutional principles just don't matter anymore.  Nobody in a position of power cares anymore. 

That's not defeatism.  It's looking at things realistically.  What IS, not what we wish was.

We're long past the constitution.  Way past it.  That's reality.   Obvious reality.  In your face reality.

No way America will ever go back to it.   No nation in human history ever went back to its founding principles.  None.  Zero.

Your only hope is some other powerful nation rises up and smacks America down ...permanently.  But we all go down with it. 

That's reality.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 04:27 | 3641417 AnAnonymous
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The reality is that the US of A, the mecca of 'americanism' on Earth, never strayed away from its founding principles.

It is simply that there is no longer enough resources left to maintain the 'american' dream.

When you are a thief, one day, you will hit a point when there is nothing left to thieve and when you can no longer glorify theft as you used to as it means driving others to thieve from you as you thieved it all.

That is the reality of the 'american' world.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 04:42 | 3641423 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What is amazing is this 'AnAnonymist' Chinese citizenism citizen's capacity to denial and propaganda.

The illusion.

Chinese citizenism citizens in another exhibition of their legendary capacity to denial. The most entertaining segment in them is Chinese citizenism citizens who actually believe the spin they wove.

Your communauty will go gang style if the situation allows.

But once again, no surprise, Chinese citizenism citizens are duplicitous and won't tell that their true motives.

Just cheap diversion by Chinese citizenism citizens to avoid dealing with the core of the issue, about their nature being revealed.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 07:45 | 3641541 therearetoomany...
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Do you eat dog??

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 21:49 | 3640866 baldski
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Ron and Rand Paul are a bunch of rejects from the clown car that dumped the last batch or Dumbfucks on the American Populace. Rand Paul could not even pass the boards for certification in opthamology, so he started his own board. What a dumb fuck! You want these clowns to lead somebody? Give them to the Texas panhandle and Oklahoma. We can construct a new wall of China around it to keep the brown people out, and rename the place Dumbfuckistan! 

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 22:08 | 3640925 fukidontknow
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Have you considered MSNBC it might have what you're looking for.

 

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