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For Anyone Who Still Thinks Earnings Matter

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As Mike Tyson once ominously noted, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face," and it seems the rampage of equity bulls have some plan that many more prosaic fundamental analysis-based investors are unaware of (as we showed here). The 'punch' in the face will come; but in the meantime the following chart may be just the 'jab' that softens them up. As ThomsonReuters notes, of the 116 second-quarter earnings preannouncements given by S&P 500 companies, 93 of them have been negative, while only 14 have been positive. The resulting 6.6 negative to positive guidance ratio is the most negative since the first quarter of 2001. Nothing to see here, move along.



Of course - that doesn't matter - as we already know... fundamentals are irrelevant in a market of expanding hope-driven multiples...


because margin 'faith' is keeping the dream alive...


Charts: Barclays and ThomsonReuters

(h/t Brad Wishak At NewEdge)

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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:02 | 3644240 Pareto
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All this money.  And nowhere to hide.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:13 | 3644463 Rick Blaine
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A two-word phrase comes to mind...

Here's a hint - it rhymes with "Fonzie dream." 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:27 | 3644514 TuesdayBen
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What is "Ponzi Scheme"?
Gubmint Fraud and Abuse for $400 please.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:04 | 3644242 Dr. Engali
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Who needs earnings when the Bernank will print you as much money as you want? Hey Ben I'm a little short. Can you print me a billion or two? Thanks you're a real pal, the next drink is on me.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:12 | 3644271 beekeeper
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I'm sorry. Free money is for club members only. - BB

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:20 | 3644297 SeattleBruce
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But I'm a member of Fight Club...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:31 | 3644337 mckee
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The first rule is...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:18 | 3644484 flacon
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The Rules of Fight Club.

1st RULE: You do not talk about FIGHT CLUB.

2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.

3rd RULE: If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over.

4th RULE: Only two guys to a fight.

5th RULE: One fight at a time.

6th RULE: No shirts, no shoes.

7th RULE: Fights will go on as long as they have to.

8th RULE: If this is your first night at FIGHT CLUB, you HAVE to fight.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:24 | 3644318 otto skorzeny
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club members or tribe members? they are one and the same.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:04 | 3644244 aint no fortuna...
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earnings - how 20th century

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:33 | 3644343 Bay of Pigs
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We don't need no stinking earnings!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:07 | 3644252 wisehiney
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Tyler, could you do these articles and charts in braille please?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:08 | 3644256 TheEdelman
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Ben Bernanke, like Mike Tyson, is unbeatable.

Where is Buster Douglas when you need him?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:08 | 3644258 Spitzer
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Is this a joke ?


Nothing matters

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:11 | 3644268 ACjourneyman
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Anyone have a good stock to short this bitch with, thinking Tesla puts might be the answer with a 40.00 call in 2 years.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:12 | 3644269 ACjourneyman
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Anyone have a good stock to short this bitch with, thinking Tesla puts might be the answer with a 40.00 call in 2 years.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:20 | 3644285 Ham-bone
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GLD, SLV - going to zero...in so many ways.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:18 | 3644289 gatorengineer
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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:13 | 3644274 JJ McApe
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indeed fundamentals do not matter anymore. just how much the fed can pump into the system everyday.

this is no free market anymore. this is nothing but a farce. banks don't pay interest anymore and force savers into risky assets.

when you consider real inflation you lose 15-30% of your real buying power every year.

just end dat stimulus qe4 85b per month, raise interest rates to 3% and see what happenes.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:27 | 3644327 disabledvet
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again "you will not hear me call gold a debt." the market corrects when the last bull thesis (p/e expansion due to New Normal conditions) is proven false. So far it has been true as in fact earnings have contracted...but multiples have expanded to compensate. there are a myriad of reasons behind this...not the least being "random events" which have had a major and positive impact on the the policy front. still...interest rates have risen at the long end, as the Fed "loses control" of that then obviously...in theory...equities should correct as a consequence. the irony of course is that if the Fed were to start going "hog wild" and monetizing the debt again it SHOULD be deflationary thus being VERY equity negative. that has not been the case "monetization to date" however (indeed the exact opposite has happened) so...based on this fact "we need to revise our thinking." my personal view was initially that QE would be INflationary not deflationary...so i've had to do a total rethink...that's why i was bullish on equities. if in fact it is deflationary however (and Japan and Europe are rolling over, interest rates are coming down globally, commodities are backing up, Ben Bernanke is walking on water and a 29 year just exposed America's Entire War Plan To Defeat the Terrorists) is the best thing to do...nothing?...continue to do...something?...i'm really unclear actually...other than that something must be done to stimulate growth in the US economy in the immediate term. my bet therefore is Christine Romer as Fed Chair...what was the question again?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:02 | 3644429 NoDebt
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Well, there's something in there for everyone to agree with, that's for sure!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:16 | 3644286 WTFUD
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Those "new orders" , is that a silver line?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:27 | 3644291 ekm
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It's very tough for people who have not had totalitarian experiences to understand. I'm trying very hard to explain this it's been a long time.


Whenever the government gets directly involved with the economy, valuations do not matter. Let me repeat this again, anykind of valuation, stock market, bond market, bond yields, corporate balance sheets (corporate become an extension of the government), you name it anything and everything, IT DOES NOT MATTER.


Bonds, stocks, yields, earning, nada, nichts, zilch nothing matters. You know why: Because the logic goes, the government doesn't lose money.

Hence if the gov wishes, the gov can never ever ever ever lose controls of any paper or electronic market that uses valuations and I am talking  world wide control.


So, whenever people say, look at the yields, or the Dow, of the Vix, corporate earnings, forget it, just forget it, it does not matter.....until.........the REAL ECONOMY collapses, which is happening slowly but steadily.


Keep dreaming, keep talking yields and stocks. Nobody can call the top or the bottom of the middle, if the gov gets involved.


What the government CANNOT control is food production world wide. goods production world wide, crude oil extraction world wide..and that's when the whole thing collapses, since the whole thing is a derivative of the real economy and commodities, same as in 2008, 2000, 1987 etc.

It's coming, it's inevitable, it's very soon.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:30 | 3644334 Everybodys All ...
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Gave you a thumbs up btw.

Imho that is usually when a stock market crashes. When everyone thinks it's never going down again. History repeats this act over and over again.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:49 | 3644381 ekm
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It just slips out of hand but there are always obvious signs, always.


The most obvious sign: Currency swaps between BRICs, and even anglo allies like UK, Australia and New Zealand bypassing the dollar and doing barter with China.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:31 | 3644339 SeattleBruce
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As powerful as the fed and its backers have been and still are, countries that settle trade outside of the dollar matter, and as you point out oil, food and other sorts of production that are not completely controlled by one lever matter, which is why ultimately the fiat reign of the fed and the USD will end.  Sometimes, I think we begin to think TPTB as omnipotent, but they are not.  Yes, there are tons of pricing misallocations throughout the world's economies.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:37 | 3644351 fonzannoon
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The market recovered extremely quickly after the 87 crash. Fairly quickly after the 2000 crash and very quicky after the 2008 crash. If that is all we are looking at then I need another hobby.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:43 | 3644361 ekm
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It is in the nature of the process of control, that the controllers refuse to lose controls, until control abandons them.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:45 | 3644365 ekm
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153k followers just crossed



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:10 | 3644457 wisehiney
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How many top security clearance personnel (snoops) did the article say there were?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:11 | 3644459 NoDebt
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Fonz- they're on the ropes this time.  You can see the policy desperation (don't listen to their words, just watch their actions).  If they lose control with interest rates at zero and the QE engine wide open, it's over.  No more bullets in the gun.  Then the capital controls and confiscation starts.  To say nothing of...... war.  Civil or otherwise.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:19 | 3644293 scatterbrains
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It's a simple bet.. has nothing to do with earnings or interest rates or inflation.  The question is how long can the crooks maintain control of the system?  That's it.  Go long if you think they can maintain the ponzi, nuetral if it looks like they are on the ropes and short the ever living shit out of it if you see any of them walking out in handcuffs.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:19 | 3644294 candyman
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It should be called the great Wooden Nickles recovery of 2013, yahoo!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:28 | 3644328 q99x2
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Looks risky when you put it that way. Maybe the low average volume is additional risk.

On another note, Gun control is being pushed in the media now that the FEDs got caught preparing to blackmail everyone.

There is a TV in this house that an old lady listens to. I want to throw it out the window before it kills her but figure at this point in her life what's the use. She's successfully lived a free life.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:38 | 3644353 ptoemmes
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Setting up for the big beats?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:48 | 3644377 thismarketisrigged
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dont worry tyler, i never thought earnings matter.

although earnings should be a major factor about a companies long term growth potential, in the market, it means nothing.


whenever a company misses, as we saw plenty of this past quarter, the stock may sell off for a day or 2, but within a week at most from the sell off, the stock is right back at or beyond the price it sold off from.


earnings sadly mean nothing until this fucking criminal cartel fed gets the fuck out.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:02 | 3644426 TwoJacks
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someday this war's going to end

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:41 | 3645219 Its_the_economy...
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When did it start?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:40 | 3644549 digilante
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Rosie does - but don't expect to see this missive front and center at ZH...



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:13 | 3644827 augustusgloop
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diggler tante- 

read the article: CANADA. summary-better banks + commodity based economy.  that doesn't contradict any of the  jeremiads on ZH. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:42 | 3644553 ebworthen
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I'm watching Cramer (recorded on my VCR - remember those?  Still works great).

Cramer is trumpeting the S&P upgrading U.S. Debt Outlook.

And Spains Labor Minsistry saying unemployment is down by 100,000.

Oh - everything must be O.K. - BUY STAWKS!


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:59 | 3644788 Aurora Ex Machina
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No-one? Really? No-one going to do it?


Ok then.

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