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Majority Of Americans Don't Mind Being Spied Upon, Pew Study Finds

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In what is likely the most disappointing, if not unexpected, news of the day, we find that according to a just released Pew Research study, a substantial majority, or 56% of Americans, "say the National Security Agency’s (NSA) program tracking the telephone records of millions of Americans is an acceptable way for the government to investigate terrorism." Only 41% object to having every phone conversation intercepted, investigated, analyzed, and recorded for posterity. Sorry Edward Snowden: you just threw your life away for nothing. The sheep have been properly and thoroughly conditioned and brainwashed, which is why they continue to get precisely the government they so rightfully deserve.

More from Pew:

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post, conducted June 6-9 among 1,004 adults, finds no indications that last week’s revelations of the government’s collection of phone records and internet data have altered fundamental public views about the tradeoff between investigating possible terrorism and protecting personal privacy.

It just gets better:

Currently 62% say it is more important for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threats, even if that intrudes on personal privacy. Just 34% say it is more important for the government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible terrorist threats.


These opinions have changed little since an ABC News/Washington Post survey in January 2006. Currently, there are only modest partisan differences in these opinions: 69% of Democrats say it is more important for the government to investigate terrorist threats, even at the expense of personal privacy, as do 62% of Republicans and 59% of independents.


However, while six-in-ten or more in older age groups say it is more important to investigate terrorism even if it intrudes on privacy, young people are divided: 51% say investigating terrorism is more important while 45% say it is more important for the government not to intrude on personal privacy, even if that limits its ability to investigate possible threats.

The survey finds that while there are apparent differences between the NSA surveillance programs under the Bush and Obama administrations, overall public reactions to both incidents are similar. Currently, 56% say it is acceptable that the NSA “has been getting secret court orders to track telephone calls of millions of Americans in an effort to investigate terrorism.”

In January 2006, a few weeks after initial new reports of the Bush administration’s surveillance program, 51% said it was acceptable for the NSA to investigate “people suspected of involvement with terrorism by secretly listening in on telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the United States and other countries, without first getting court approval to do so.”

Perhaps least surprising is that once the most vocal objector to "Dubya" pervasive surveillance, the Democrats, are now its most ardent defenders. And so once again, political party line stupidity trumps common sense.

Republicans and Democrats have had very different views of the two operations. Today, only about half of Republicans (52%) say it is acceptable for the NSA to obtain court orders to track phone call records of millions of Americans to investigate terrorism. In January 2006, fully 75% of Republicans said it was acceptable for the NSA to investigate suspected terrorists by listing in on phone calls and reading emails without court approval.



Democrats now view the NSA’s phone surveillance as acceptable by 64% to 34%. In January 2006, by a similar margin (61% to 36%), Democrats said it was unacceptable for the NSA to scrutinize phone calls and emails of suspected terrorists.

Of course, if the president was Romney, his head would already be on a stick. Metaphorically speaking of course.

Finally, the biggest danger to America it appears is not a turnkey totalitarian tyrant, but broad apathy as it turns out only one in four follow NSA News "very closely." The other 3 in 4 are far more concerned with who gets to fake-wed the fake-bachelorette this season, or who is the victor of Dancing with the Stars.

Roughly a quarter (27%) of Americans say they are following news about the government collecting Verizon phone records very closely. This is a relatively modest level of public interest.  Only another 21% say they are following this fairly closely, while about half say they are following not too (17%) or not at all (35%) closely.


Interest in reports about the government tracking of e-mail and online activities is almost identical: 26% say they are following this story very closely, 33% not closely at all.


Attention to these stories is higher among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents: 32% are following reports about the government tracking phone records very closely, compared with 24% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents. The partisan gap in interest is almost identical when it comes to reports about government collecting email and other online information: 30% of Republicans and Republican-leaners are following very closely compared with 20% of Democrats and Democratic-leaners.


Overall, those who disagree with the government’s data monitoring are following the reports somewhat more closely than those who support them. Among those who find the government’s tracking of phone records to be unacceptable, 31% are following the story very closely, compared with 21% among those who say it is acceptable. Similarly with respect to reports about government monitoring of email and online activities, 28% of those who say this should not be done are following the news very closely, compared with 23% of those who approve of the practice.

Those who wish to be even more depressed can read on here.

As for Edward Snowden, hopefully this will teach you to throw away your life to liberate a bloated and apathetic society that couldn't care less if the slaughter-gate was slammed shut behind it, and just wants to have its rose-colored blinders on in perpetuity.


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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:51 | 3643745 haskelslocal
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Pew Stinks


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:54 | 3643758 Timmay
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This just makes drawing new borders within the country easier. Sheep can stay with the Gov., everyone else can live elsewhere. All electronic connections severed at the border of course.

Seriously, what is the correlation here to private sector workers and Gov workers with how they answered?

Some people truly are stupid.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:58 | 3643779 Divided States ...
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The Pew also finds that most Americans dont realize that they have a hand (the Government's) shoved up their asses either. Fuckin puppets.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:00 | 3643788 LawsofPhysics
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Bullshit, the real puppets are well compensated, just look at Bush/Obama.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:08 | 3643828 davinci7_gis
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The Jews were the same in WWII...they didn't care when Hitler youth vandalized their stores, they didn't care when Nazi's confiscated their friend's businesses, they didn't care when they were forced to wear the star of David, they didn't care when they took their guns away but boy were they concerned when the Nazis started rounding them up and sending them to the Ghettos and camps.


Remember this America....remember!  They're boiling us very slowly..very slowly.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:13 | 3643855 krispkritter
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There once was a land of sheep,

Which the propaganda had lulled to sleep.

Big Gov listened to their calls,

While basically cutting off their balls,

And stating it was for their safety's upkeep...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:16 | 3643872 NotApplicable
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Survey Says! meh

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:29 | 3643927 macholatte
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"If you have something that you don't want anyone to know," Google CEO Eric Schmidt said in 2009, "maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."


Wag the dog.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:36 | 3643954 Troll Magnet
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I'm not really worried about the NSA eavesdropping on my phone conversations. Because I have AT&T. They probably can't hear shit.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:41 | 3643978 Cobra
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{NSA to Verizon guy} "Can you hear them now.... Good."

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:45 | 3644190 Meat Hammer
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Sorry Edward Snowdenyou just threw your life away for nothing.

I couldn't disagree more.  A minority willing to fight, no matter how small, can overcome a couch-potato majority if they want to badly enough.  We're the proverbial cat being pushed into the corner and it takes something like this for the claws to finally come out.  


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:47 | 3644195 fonzannoon
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as per drudge just now, he has checked out and disappeared, fwiw.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:40 | 3644356 James_Cole
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The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted June 6-9, 2013, among a national sample of 1,004 adults 18 years of age or older living in the continental United States (501 respondents were interviewed on a landline telephone, and 503 were interviewed on a cell phone, including 247 who had no landline telephone).

Yeah, sounds extremely reliable. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:18 | 3644482 Hey Assholes
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No doubt funded by the NSA.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 05:12 | 3645142 Supernova Born
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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:01 | 3645173 Mentaliusanything
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Edit.well played Sir. Peppe la pew was at least honest.

We played into the hands by lining up to be the first with an I Phone.

cry me a fucking river. gps, skype, email, facebook, Mastercard.... just dont leave home without ! 

Maybe you should?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:54 | 3644015 Chupacabra-322
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Our entire system is one giant cesspool of CRIMINAL CORRUPTION. From the executive, judicial, legislative and everything derived from them, federal, state and local. There is nothing that has not been completely and utterly CORRUPTED.

There is not even ONE man or woman in ANY part of government (federal, state, local) that is truly HONEST or has CLEAN HANDS. EVERY single one of them have made some sort of deal with the DEVIL. The longer they are there the dirtier their hands get & instead of having a conscience & getting OUT, the POWER corrupts them more & soon there is NOTHING that will stop them from doing anything and everything they can to stay in and becoming more powerful.

Just like in Sodom & Gomorrah. Not even ONE honest person could be found to prevent GOD from destroying it. So how much hope does America have? Well lets just say, America should be very scared.

But then you must look at the people as well. Sadly most of the people are absolutely CRIMINALLY CORRUPT as well. They lie, cheat steal and kill just like the government, which is why it is so easy for them to turn a blind eye and make excuses for everything the government does.

How to tell a CRIMINAL CORRUPT person. When they try and justify ANY wrong doing for ANY reason.

Some of the justifications they use:
1. Well nobody is perfect
2. He/she is the lesser of 2 evils
3. They could have done or been worse
4. They are doing the best they can
5. They inherited the problem
6. They are not all bad
7. They have never hurt me. As though it is okay to hurt others just not you personally.
8. Yes they lie, cheat and steal but at least they do not kill. Like you would know, especially seeing that they are LIARS. The fact you would have to go to the most heinous crime to try and make them look better should say enough.
9. They are only doing their job. As if claiming it is their job makes their wrongs okay.

The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:58 | 3644029 Chupacabra-322
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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men,
living together in society,
they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

Frederic Bastiat, (1801-1850)



"When misguided public opinion honors what is despicable and despises what is honorable, punishes virtue and rewards vice, encourages what is harmful and discourages what is useful, applauds falsehood and smothers truth under indifference or insult, a nation turns its back on progress and can be restored only by the terrible lessons of catastrophe." –Frederic Bastiat

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:16 | 3644086 pods
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Sorry, but I don't put any stock in "a majority of amerikans" for anything.

Glad rights (supposedly) are independent of the majority.

In fact, what anyone else thinks has no bearing on my rights.

Come on Ben, taper this bitch off so we can destroy this behemoth.



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:49 | 3644198 Meat Hammer
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Good point, pods.  We're not collectivists so who cares what 50-whatever percent of the population thinks when human rights are for the individual despite the whims of the majority?


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:32 | 3643938 tmosley
Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:56 | 3644021 Element
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Pretty sure if I constructed and asked the questions I'd get some rather different results.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:17 | 3644090 pods
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Polls are used to sway public opinion, not to measure it.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:51 | 3644210 Ignatius
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The dominate perception is that terrorism and events like 9/11 followed the narrative laid out by the government and the corporate media.  A poll result like this depends on the viability of that narrative -- white hats and black hats.  Nothing will change without breaking the faulty myth and narrative.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:38 | 3644355 tip e. canoe
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no doubt they had already done a good amount of "pre-polling" in order to tailor the questions to fit the answers they wished to get.

The Office of Reputation Management strikes again...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:40 | 3644733 sun tzu
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All I have to say is fuck the NSA and the idiots that support their spying on Americans.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:28 | 3644125 CaptainObvious
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Well, let's do just that, Element.

Upvote this post if you want the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. to stop recording your phone calls, internet activity, health records, credit score, shopping habits, credit card usage, travel records, employment history, etc. because it is unConstitutional.

Downvote this post if you have nothing to hide, aren't doing anything wrong, or believe that in order to stop terrorism we need to surveil all Americans.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:10 | 3644454 Almost Solvent
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I like e-mailing nude pictures of myself from my Yahoo account to my Hotmail account with the header: Hey there mister Langley nsa my nuts.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:35 | 3645208 i-dog
Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:18 | 3643883 true brain
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If you believe in polls, any polls, then you're dumber than G. w.  Bush, or maybe even his dog.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:11 | 3645183 Mentaliusanything
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his dog was way smarter than you give credit. he knew he had fleas but the Dog knew where George got them

" Lay down with Dogs get up with.......

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:58 | 3644783 caconhma
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There is a good news: common people decide nothing. After all, they are just slaves who cannot live without having a master.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:14 | 3643858 Not Too Important
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That's an ignorant comment. They cared very much. There just wasn't anything they could do about it. The rich ones left, but the poor ones stayed. It wasn't like any foreign countries wanted them as refugees. They were turned away by the boatload.

And we're in the same boat. Who wants millions of American refugees fleeing what's coming? But this time they won't single out any small group. It's all of us. To be financially raped, then left to die.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:26 | 3643860 AlaricBalth
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27 May 2013: A majority of Americans said they believe the federal government today wields too much power, a Gallup Daily tracking survey released Monday indicated. The 54 percent that expressed that belief, however, is only slightly higher than reported in 2012 and slightly lower than reported in 2010 and 2011, Gallup said.

5 June 2013: A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 56% of Likely U.S. Voters now consider the federal government a threat to individual rights rather than a protector of those rights. That’s up 10 points from 46% in December. 

Cognitive dissonance is permeating throughout the US. Its OK to spy on us, yet the government has too much power and is a threat to individual rights. WTF???

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:43 | 3643981 tenpanhandle
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and in a completely unrelated poll, 100% of american households that rely on the govt. for their subsistance want more and larger govt. intrusion in their life.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:17 | 3644094 pods
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I know one amerikan who hopes they all DIAF.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:35 | 3644152 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I'm gonna get drunk and put on some Lee Greenwood.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:57 | 3644023 azzhatter
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Snowden needs to give specific examples of abuse. We already know we're being spied on. Show some fucktard liberals being abused and some pictures of say John Bolton blowing Krauthammer. This will get people's attention. His mea culpa is too general. We already know NSA is a band of fucktards

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:07 | 3644062 dryam
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"The Jews were the same in WWII...they didn't care when Hitler youth vandalized their stores, they didn't care when Nazi's confiscated their friend's businesses, they didn't care when they were forced to wear the star of David, they didn't care when they took their guns away but boy were they concerned when the Nazis started rounding them up and sending them to the Ghettos and camps.


Remember this America....remember!  They're boiling us very slowly..very slowly."


Weren't the Nuremberg trials about former Nazi's saying they were just following orders?.  They were afraid if they spoke up against injustices, then they would be harmed.  Hmm, so someone speaks up about the U.S. government breaking Constitutional laws & the government is going to go after him?  Yes, the Nazi-like environment is here, and it's not going away anytime soon.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:09 | 3643837 dryam
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It's not terrorism that the government is investigating.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:11 | 3643848 john39
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who needs an old constitution when government can be guided through public opinion...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:21 | 3643866 dryam
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They should have also asked "Is the Patriot Act patriotic?, or "Will the Affordable Care Act make healthcare more affordable?", or "Will the Tax Simplification Act make taxes less complex?".

The answers would have been yes, yes, and yes.


Pew sucks.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:24 | 3643910 AssFire
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The government is doing all it can to infuriate an angry white taxpaying man- they need some Joe Stacks to validate all the horrific crimes they perpetrate. Going Gault can't even be a solution in this country- the only thing left is expatriating.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:24 | 3643908 HelluvaEngineer
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Oh, just wait until they change the definition

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:16 | 3644091 Bangin7GramRocks
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$200,000 a year with a GED and living in Hawaii. This dummy throws it all away to expose an injustice and Americans collectively yawn. I will never second guess my decision to be a sell-out coward ever again.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:20 | 3645041 LostAtSea
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@Divided States.... like this?


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:22 | 3644103 rwe2late
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 By "government workers" do you mean the large number in the military and police?

Do you also mean all the gung-ho ex military and the private sector "defense" contractors?

Perhaps there is a need for fewer generalities and more specifics.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:30 | 3644136 greyghost
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just another made up poll to fit the story line. if i had listened to the polls fox news threw in my face before the election i would have been "STUNNED" romney didn't win. really, talking with the folks up and  down the block, most thought the goverment was spying on foreign citizens....not wholesale spying on u.s. citizens. just finished watching a fox news moron asking three other morons if all this spying is ok. not one had any problems with it, that was very painful. fox news never met a nazi they didn't like, unbelievable. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:27 | 3644693 Go Tribe
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The nice thing about the Constitution is that it must be followed no matter how many stupid Americans disagree with it.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:10 | 3643839 de3de8
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Just more proof that we are doomed.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:22 | 3643901 Bay of Pigs
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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:26 | 3643917 maskone909
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poll on yahoo finance says majority agree with the whistleblowing aginst the NSA. 

the pew is wrong

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:34 | 3643947 francis_sawyer
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This just in...


The US Government has issued a poll which indicates that 100% of Americans don't ming getting spied on...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:35 | 3643948 Kirk2NCC1701
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I call it "Phew Pew".

Look into my eyes, darling...  PsychoTronic Weapons and Behavior Modification:

Anybody disagree that the Gaming industry and their toys is not changing the behavior of our children and youth?  Or their addiction to these devices & games?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:52 | 3644010 ShrNfr
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Pew Pukes

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:54 | 3644016 DCFusor
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Confirmation bias on your cynisism much?  I call utter BS.  A straw poll among my neighbors goes more like 99% are really pissed, 1% (an amish family) says, what is this telephone thing you speak of?

Checked Slashdot, Ars Technica, any other tech board, EFF, or DUH, Zerohedge?

Beleive it or not, the sheeple are awaking.  A poll taken in the town where the interceptors work and where everyone else is paid by the same .gov - sure, that means a lot.  Not.

On every site I frequent, the astroturfers in favor have been out like never before.  As luck would have it, the paid astroturfers (usually posting anon) - were totally overwhelmed in the last couple days, and received serious scorn on top.

Give me 6 lines written by the purest of men - and I'll find a way to hang him.

Snowden almost quoted that word for word, and that's everyone's real concern - I'm not suprised not many here and elsewhere have realized the real rammifications of this - after all, we can't all be smart, or inside the heads of the intelligence analysts.  I guess I have unique perspective, having been one during the cold war.  Let me tell you - this is precisely how they think.  We don't have to read it now, just save it for later when we want something on you.  Obviously, it's not to prevent anything, or Boston or numerous others wouldn't have happened, and it wouldn't have been the plane passengers stopping the underwear guy, or the shoe guy....we know it's been going on for longer than that - now, where are the legit busts created by this snooping?  We should be flooded with news of them, even though we weren't before, because now the gov has nothing to reveal that would indicate "sources and methods" - since those are now public.  But they don't, because they can't - stopping trrrism was never the goal.  Get with it, and learn now, or later with much more pain.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:26 | 3644119 mudduck
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I agree. The poll is a lie. Good post DCF.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:45 | 3644368 tip e. canoe
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great post.   would love to see the term sheet of talking points the Turf Patrol got.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:17 | 3644092 SteveNYC
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PEW-k just planting the seed to condition the public consciousness.


"See, most people don't mind......why does it bother you so?"

"Well perhaps it is ok after all....I'm being if most people are cool with it, I guess it shouldn't bother me so much"

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:21 | 3644101 pods
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The hive mind is a terrible thing.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:53 | 3644216 chubbar
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  • How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare « on: January 29, 2013, 04:18:29 AM »

    _____________________________ How Roberts Was Blackmailed To Support ObamaCare

    Many of us have questioned what caused Roberts  to switch his vote on ObamaCare at the last minute, as reported by CBS, and doing so,  so late that the Conservative Justices were forced to rewrite their majority opinion to be minority dissent. These facts may answer that question.

    In 2000 Justice Roberts and his wife Jane adopted two children. Initially it was apparent that the adoptions were "from a Latin American country", but over time it has become apparent that the adopted children were not Latin American, but were Irish.  Why this matters will become evident.

    In 2005 the NY Times began investigating Roberts life as a matter of his nomination to the Supreme Court by George Bush.  The Times was shortly accused of trying to unseal the adoption papers and intending to violate  the anonymity of the adoption process... however there is more to the story.

    Drudge did an article in 2005

    •             The NEW YORK TIMES is looking into the adoption records of the children of Supreme Court Nominee John G. Roberts, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

                  The TIMES has investigative reporter Glen Justice hot on the case to investigate the status of adoption records of Judge Roberts’ two young children, Josie age 5 and Jack age 4, a top source reveals.

                  Judge Roberts and his wife Jane adopted the children when they each were infants.

                  Both children were adopted from Latin America.

                  A TIMES insider claims the look into the adoption papers are part of the paper’s “standard background check.”

                  Bill Borders, NYT senior editor, explains: “Our reporters made initial inquiries about the adoptions, as they did about many other aspects of his background. They did so with great care, understanding the sensitivity of the issue.”

    Were the Children Adopted from Ireland?

    This is not clear ... -- the Associated Press reports that they were "adopted from Latin America." This seems a bit puzzling, in light of the Time magazine report indicating that the children were born in Ireland. Also, their blonde hair and fair skin do not seem conventionally Latin American. 1

    TIME had a “web exclusive” on the Roberts's (7/24/05) and quoted a family friend as stating the kids were “born in Ireland 4 1/2 months apart.”

    How were the Children Adopted?

    According to The New York Times, based on information from Mrs. Roberts's sister, Mary Torre, the children were adopted through a private adoption.

    As explained by Families for Private Adoption, "[p]rivate (or independent) adoption is a legal method of building a family through adoption without using an adoption agency for placement. In private adoption, the birth parents relinquish their parental rights directly to the adoptive parents, instead of to an agency."2

    But was Robert's adoption utilizing "a legal method"?

    Apparently the process of adopting Jack involved some stress for John Roberts. According to Dan Klaidman of Newsweek, during the contested 2000 election, Roberts "spent a few days in Florida advising lawyers [for George W. Bush] on their legal strategy," but "he did not play a central role," because " at the time, Roberts was preoccupied with the adoption of his son."

    It is now quite evident that the two Children were from Ireland.  Even wikipedia references these adoptions at the time of Roberts' confirmation, and indicates that the children were of Irish birth.

    However Irish law 1) prohibits the adoption of Children to non-residents, and 2) also does not permit private adoptions, but rather has all adoptions go through a public agency.

    This would explain the children's origin from a "Latin American country", so as to circumvent Irish law.

    Evidently Roberts arranged for this adoption through some sort of trafficking agency, that got the children out of Ireland and into that Latin American country, from which they were adopted, thereby circumventing two Irish laws -- entirely illegal, but perhaps quasi-legitimized by the birth mothers (two) transporting the children out of Ireland. 

    Undoubtedly Roberts and his wife spent a great deal of money for this illegal process, circumventing Irish laws and arranging for the transit of two Irish children from separate birth-mothers to a foreign nation.  Come 2012, those two children have been with the Roberts' for roughly 10 years, since they were adopted as "infants".

    Some might feel an impulse dismiss this information, mistakenly believing Roberts and his wife were doing a good thing for a children needing a home.

    That would be an inaccurate belief.  As recognized, such an inter-country adoption would only come about at great cost, and those who utilize this method are creating a for-profit black market in adoptive children, trafficking across international borders, and doing so from mothers who have not yet given up  their children except for that profit.  Such actions are creating a very unsavory profit-for-children human trafficking market that even necessitates immediate contact with new birth mothers in dire circumstances to offer financial gain. The entire arrangement is thoroughly predatory, turning children into only financial commodity,  and even providing motivation for their birth mothers to give them up! That's an important ethical recognition.   

    Roberts is not deserving of any sort of respect here, and is only the latest example of people in position believing themselves above the law, beyond scrutiny and exempt from repercussion.

    It all now makes sense.

    The circumstances of these two adoptions explain not only why this would be overlooked by an overall sympathetic media, but also why a sitting Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court would not want this information to become public fodder well into his tenure.  Its release and public discussion would discredit Roberts as an impartial judge of the law, and undoubtedly  lead to his impeachment.

    This also explains why Roberts would have a means to be blackmailed, and why that leverage would still exist even after the institution of ObamaCare.

    ... And it has led to flipping the swing-vote on ObamaCare, which fundamentally changed the relationship between citizen and government, making us de facto property of the state, with our relative worth in care and maintenance able to be determined by the government.  Essentially it was a coup without firing a shot, much less needing even an Amendment to the Constitution.

    And it is consistent with Obama's Chicago-style politics, that has previously involved opening other sealed <divorce> records in order to win election.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:48 | 3644374 tip e. canoe
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    not that there's anything wrong with it, but methinks John Boy is being blackmailed by something a bit more in the closet than his kids.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:16 | 3644474 Almost Solvent
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    He sure has that twinkle in his eye in all his photographs.

    Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:00 | 3645361 hivekiller
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    Most polls are phony and agenda driven. Talk to your friends and neighbors if you want to take a real poll.

    Tue, 06/11/2013 - 19:08 | 3648269 sgt_doom
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    Latest Pew study finds that most Americans are retarded and still haven't figured out it's the oil money people behind Pew Charitable Trusts and Pew Research Center (BTW, remember that it was the Pew Research group which proclaimed that we have a "liberal media" !!!!!!).

    Pew can kiss my barbarously hard butt!

    Wed, 06/12/2013 - 20:08 | 3652135 HardAssets
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    My thoughts exactly - - - Pew & the Washington Post aren't what I'd consider dependable sources.

    One of the memes that will be pushed is "the American people don't care, they want to be 'protected' from terrorism". Its the old use of fear tactics.

    The more this kinda stuff comes out, and it will, the more people are likely to come to despise it. 

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:52 | 3643747 Bastiat
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    Same people that hit the snooze button when the Patriot Act as passed:  twice as the Carney pointed out today.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:05 | 3643813 RSloane
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    I just do not get how people who rightly railed against Bush for his domestic policies including spying are now okay with it because its Obama doing it. How can you go from a prostestor to subserviant in such a short amount of time? What about NDAA? Did that wake anyone up at all?

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:12 | 3643850 fonzannoon
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    My only guess is the free shit army was smaller at the time.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:10 | 3644069 rwe2late
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    most are convinced Obama is the best of bad choices,

    and overlook that their support of him, however grudgingly,

    makes him the choice most effective at doing bad.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:25 | 3644116 noless
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    I'm seriously considering getting an FSA tattoo, or at least making some patches or stickers or something.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:14 | 3643859 Glasnost
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    It's funny when you think about it, they were warning us for a while that this was already happening.


    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:19 | 3643885 NotApplicable
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    What's so difficult to understand about tribalism? "My party, right or wrong." I mean, it's not like people are going to switch sides once they've devoted their whole lives to one flavor of lies over another.

    Divide, Conquer, Rinse, Repeat (ad infinitum)

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:31 | 3643925 upWising
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    "With the Republicans and the Democrats, it's like Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb.  There's not a dime's worth of difference between the two of them."
    ––George C. Wallace, 1968  [erstwhile presidential (little "p") candidate, governor and First Gentleman of Alabama, racist and segregationist who repented in his later years]

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:01 | 3644036 bank guy in Brussels
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    Great quote ... but the most horrible story about George Wallace is from after he stopped being a racist

    In his last round as Governor of Alabama, he was supervising the execution of a man in Alabama's electric chair

    The prison guards kept on jolting the man with electricity, but he was still alive after multiple jolts

    The guards called George Wallace

    He said to continue with the jolts until it worked

    After some minutes of horror the man finally died


    The death penalty is horrifying to most of us Europeans

    But even more horrible is how slow and torturous many of these methods are ... including America's lethal injection where some of these people keep getting poked with needles for half an hour

    Or hanging, where often the neck does not break and many people are conscious for 20 minutes or more while they strangle

    If countries are going to do it ... the bullet or beheading actually seem the most humane methods

    The Russians have also abandoned the death penalty now, but their bullet to the back of the head was a much better way than most

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:25 | 3644321 Anusocracy
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    I think there should be a death sentence card, like a kidney donor card. If someone takes my life, I should decide the punishment, not somebody else, and especially not government.





    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:30 | 3643931 SeattleBruce
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    "I just do not get how people who rightly railed against Bush for his domestic policies including spying are now okay with it because its Obama doing it."

    Herein lies one of the core problems with American politics.  Most people that vote within the party system are OK with it as long as they can maintain the illusion that their 'team' - the good guys and gals (whatever that means to them) - are 'winning.'  It's about as simplistic as cheering for a football or basketball team ultimately.  They've swallowed the blue pill, they're totally satisfied with their soma drug (Brave New World.)

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:40 | 3643975 rustymason
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    Precisely. When GW Bush began building the current phase of the new Soviet State, I pleaded with several conservative friends, "Would you want Hillary to have the power you're giving to Bush?" They replied, "NO! That's why we have to get another Republican in there!"

    The Democratic Experiment is concluded. Results: Total tyranny.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:02 | 3644043 Harbanger
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    This experiment has been cooking for 100 yrs.  It sped forward after WWII when the commies took over the institutions and they became mainstream.  People have been talking about the slow boiling frog for decades.  Guess what? the frog is well done.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:27 | 3644122 rwe2late
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    the "commie" CEOs at Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, EXXON, and Halliburton.

    The "commies" who head the DOD and DHS.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:30 | 3644135 Harbanger
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    Learn your history pecker head, this is way over your head.  You've been brainwashed and don't even know it.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:29 | 3644331 Anusocracy
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    It boils down to ingroup-outgroup morality.

    Ingroup good, outgroup bad.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:46 | 3643994 toady
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    I know folks here like to do the red / blue team thing here, and it may be partially psychologically true, but the reality is there was a chance to stop it before W started it.

    Now it's black letter law. Nothing can be done about it. They'll just keep re-issuing the subpoenas quarterly or annually or whatever. Even if the subpoenas stopped the automatic data feed would keep flowing until the programmers got off their asses and changed the code. And programmers rarely get off their asses.

    I find it surprising that anyone thought they weren't being watched 24/7. And I'll be even more surprised when this comes up again a couple years from now.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:25 | 3644503 Urban Redneck
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    It can be undone (and redone) and this has been done elsewhere.  However, not without a purge of US personalities.


    see Fichenaffäre


    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:54 | 3643748 TeamDepends
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    Pew study as in "damn, p.u., that stinks, DAMN!"

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643749 SemperFord
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    it's no wonder the majority of Americans like Zombie Movies/shows...because they are already braindead so they can obviously relate to that programming

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:45 | 3643991 Harbanger
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    They are being programmed to destroy each other when faced with a disaster.  Everyone is the enemy except the real enemy.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:55 | 3643750 Hongcha
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    ... and there's yer net-net.  A factor we don't like to look at ... what if the majority is comfortable with their slavery?  That is how 10 soldiers corral 1,000 civilians.  A taste for freedom can be bred out, apparently.  The country I knew no longer exists, but there are some free animals still out there believe me. 


    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:10 | 3643834 NoDebt
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    Agreed.  I'm starting to think our coming tyranny will be well deserved.

    I don't like to think how history will judge our generation.  You KNOW this going to end badly.  We'll be the generation history looks back on with the same distain as the generation that let guys like Hitler, Mussolini, etc. sail into power.

    "Why didn't they do something?  Why didn't they stop them?"  Well, now you know why.  We just didn't give a fuck.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:21 | 3643895 NotApplicable
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    All depends upon whose version of history you're talking about. The more tyrannical, the "greater" the tyrant is deemed to be by the official mouthpieces.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:37 | 3643955 machineh
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    One imagines a marble Obama Memorial on the Capitol Mall ... with tributes from a grateful NSA.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:19 | 3644088 Whoa Dammit
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    I just hope the memorial will be realistic---a teleprompter and an empty suit.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:36 | 3643953 Anusocracy
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    Thousands of previous generations suffered greatly so we could evolve to the point where we can volunteer to suffer greatly.


    Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:24 | 3645199 Mentaliusanything
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    Ahha ... someone who has understood( or faced it). 

    Rage Rage against the dying of the light

    Really thank you

    Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:26 | 3645201 Mentaliusanything
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    Ahha ... someone who has understood( or faced it). 

    Rage Rage against the dying of the light

    Really thank you

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3643751 PKF
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    I live in Dumfukistan.  I used to think it was just OH, but now I believe it is the entire country.  Or does Pew just pull numbers out of its ass?

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643772 Blano
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    I think it's the entire country.

    Regardless of what one thinks about Pew, any percentage over 0 is too much.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:14 | 3643861 jo6pac
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    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:03 | 3643800 Antifederalist
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    Dumbfukistan Perfect. Green arrow for you

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:17 | 3643876 smlbizman
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    yeah but every country with stan gets maybe switch to "ville"

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:22 | 3643906 NotApplicable
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    Don't you worry, it's coming!

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:37 | 3643993 Hacked Economy
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    I prefer "shire".  Makes it Hobbit-friendly.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:34 | 3644102 Hacked Economy
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    <huh?  I carefully hit "Save" button once, and my comment gets posted twice?>

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:16 | 3643868 Not Too Important
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    Who owns Pew? If they want to stay in business they will do what they're told. We're way past the freedom of polling agencies.

    From here on out, it's going to be a full court press.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3643752 suteibu
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    TPTB has successfully divided the public into teams of loyal idiots.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3643753 Seize Mars
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    I mind. A LOT.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3643755 falak pema
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    booz n snooze...there you go; America has bought into the "terrorist" meme. Game over for poor brave Snowden. No reaction to support him.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:05 | 3643810 t0mmyBerg
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    Not sure all the facts, but it sounds like Snowden is a hero,  Fing unreal that the majority will trade away such freedom so easily.  But I had already written the country off so I am not shocked really.  I always get ruffled when I read the ubiquitous "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" bullshit from what are supposed to be serious people either.  More people that need and deserve to have an eye put out.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:16 | 3644087 bank guy in Brussels
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    We are probably indeed at the point where it is somewhat hopeless to 'change' America from the inside, by some sort of democratic or informational process, 'waking up' the hopeless citizens

    But the Snowden types are fulfilling a great mission, but it is a different one than they might think - Their accomplishment is that of

    a) Inspiring elements in the US military to further contemplate a (hopefully bloodless) military coup against the US President / Congress / Supreme Court, all those criminals under arrest ;

    b) Helping the rest of the world - BRIC countries, Europe, Asia - to ring-fence and separate from America, which is already happening

    Snowden and other dissidents need to set up shop overseas, anywhere they can

    Russia might have been the right choice for him ... the Snowden show on RT news !


    The ex-military and ex-intel people on the Veterans Today site, are probably right in thinking that any 'restoration of the US Constitution' that could come before an economic collapse, needs to come from a military coup

    The half or more of America that is stupid sheeple, will just follow whatever new leaders are above them

    Meanwhile, the main thing for the rest of the world, is to ring-fence ourselves out of America, start denying American access to our institutions

    We need to disconnect Europe ... the shame of Europe, aside from mauling the Mediterranean countries with the euro horror, is being a part of NATO - the North Atlantic Terrorist Organisation

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:55 | 3644401 noless
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    Where on earth takes American refugees? I find it humorous at best when i meet people that believe i could emigrate elsewhere. I am a metal worker, what country would willingly displace it's own workers for an American..

    I hope that he is safe in Hong Kong, but he may very well have to go deeper inland as things progress. Unless HK really is willing to have such flagrant disturbances as any US attempt to rendition him.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:53 | 3643756 TideFighter
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    Pepe Le Pew does love the pussy, though.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:54 | 3643759 kurzdump
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    Civilizations end when people stop to offer resistance.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:54 | 3643760 Randall Cabot
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    Only 56%? I thought it would have been much higher.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:17 | 3643864 oddjob
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    The 56% survive off the goverment tit, so this is no suprise. Don't bite the hand.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:32 | 3643880 Not Too Important
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    I don't know about any of Pew's numbers:

    'Sales of George Orwell’s '1984' up 69 percent on Amazon'

    There's a lot of pissed off people out there, and they want to know more.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:40 | 3643976 machineh
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    If the increase was 869 percent, it might be taken seriously.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:55 | 3643763 Crimedog
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    Folks at ZH must have a terrible time falling asleep with that tyrannical government bogeyman getting ready to slaughter the sheeple at any moment.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:13 | 3643856 NoDebt
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    They're going to like you in the FEMA camp.  A lot.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:51 | 3644006 tenpanhandle
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    no they won't; he'll be the guard.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:17 | 3643879 Dr. Engali
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    I sleep just fine at night. I keep a little something by the bed for home intruders that would make the terminator cream his pants.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:55 | 3644017 tenpanhandle
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    comment witheld due to second thoughts.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:08 | 3644063 Manipuflation
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    Too late, the police are on their way already.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:39 | 3644164 tenpanhandle
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    no problem, I just threw my cell phone into a passing car.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:30 | 3643929 Not Too Important
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    Unless you're part of the .001%, your government is doing everything they can to kill you and your family off right now. Most of what you eat is cancerous, your air and water is filled with plutonium, and you seem to be fine with it.

    Wait until your children get cancer and they're refused treatment.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:33 | 3643941 toys for tits
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    This post on Reddit was in response to someone who said he didn't mind the privacy invasion:

    16171921 7075 points 3 days ago*x13

    I live in a country generally assumed to be a dictatorship. One of the Arab spring countries. I have lived through curfews and have seen the outcomes of the sort of surveillance now being revealed in the US. People here talking about curfews aren't realizing what that actually FEELS like. It isn't about having to go inside, and the practicality of that. It's about creating the feeling that everyone, everything is watching. A few points:

    1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.

    Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.

    With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.

    2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, fuck it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.

    3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.

    You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.

    4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "fuck you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a fucking wound on my leg?"

    "Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.

    Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.

    You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.

    This all happened in the country where I live.

    You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.

    Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?

    You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?

    Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?

    I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.

    I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:46 | 3643992 MarsInScorpio
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    Thanks for posting it. I'll do all I can to spread it around.


    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:30 | 3644137 Hacked Economy
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    Wow.  Eloquent and concise.  Drew me in and made me *feel* the buildup of anxiety.  Well-written.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:11 | 3644461 noless
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    Please read this in it's entirety and realise that it has already begun in America.

    Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:11 | 3645259 krispkritter
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     I say to you this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren't fit to live. You may be 38 years old, as I happen to be, and one day, some great opportunity stands before you and calls upon you to stand up for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause. And if you refuse to do it because you are afraid. You refuse to do it because you want to live longer. You're afraid that you will lose your job, or you are afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity, or you're afraid that somebody will stab you or shoot you or bomb your house. So you refuse to take the stand. Well you may go on and live until you are ninety, but you are just as dead at 38 as you would be at ninety. And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit. 

    You died when you refused to stand up for right. You died when you refused to stand up for truth. You died when you refused to stand up for justice.

    Martin Luther King

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:04 | 3644425 noless
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    Sorry bro, but what keeps me up at night is trying to figure out which team the people recording my schedule are on, i still don't know why that kid didn't pull the trigger.

    Mock me if you want, or maybe we should take a walk someday, maybe you'll notice it too.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 21:27 | 3644513 noless
    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:55 | 3643764 Stanley Lord
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    Trade with Dave has a take on Snowdon

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:19 | 3643889 jo6pac
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    Thanks for the link and I'll pass it around

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:51 | 3644007 Clashfan
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    Nice one, Stanley, TY.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:29 | 3644132 bank guy in Brussels
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    Wow, that is deep, Edward Snowden connected directly to the Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs and all the oligarchs who own the American government, US Congress, US President and US bribed judges

    Millionaire journalist Mika Brzezinski is the daughter of master warmonger Zbigniew 'Great Chessboard' Brzezinski, as much of a central US Shadow Government figure as the Rockefellers, Henry Kissinger or anyone else

    And her brother Ian Brzezinski working at Snowden's company Booz Allen

    I hadn't looked at the video, did not know it was Mika in this

    No wonder the corporate media is pumping all of this ... the same 'usual suspects' like the corrupt intel-agency-tied UK Guardian that first pumped and promoted and Assange and then started bashing him

    Sh-t, we are really deep into the Matrix now

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:55 | 3644403 tip e. canoe
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    That was Snowden’s secret.

    Ripeness was all.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643766 fonzannoon
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    It's all fun and games till the dollar crashes. Then people might have a few questions.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:59 | 3643783 Antifederalist
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    Bingo. Benign and Government are oil and water.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:06 | 3644056 Manipuflation
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    +1, then +1 then +1.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 20:18 | 3643949 cougar_w
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    People right now are scared witless.

    People who are scared witless ask no probing questions, but instead demand easy solutions. That is because they have lost their wits.

    They get their wits back very quickly when it becomes clear that immediate reaction is the only means of survival.

    Wait for the day. It will come. Pew has taken a snap shot of a world that is no more, that's all.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643767 Antifederalist
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    As a Ron Paul supporter we used to say "we will fight for your liberty while we wait for you to wake up"

    All I hear is snoring.

    Do people have any idea of the potential and certainty of abuse with this policy?

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:22 | 3643902 LawsofPhysics
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    Those who are willing to give up freedom for security deserve neither.  Fuck em, let them all burn along with the fiat.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643768 Downtoolong
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    Only 41% object to having every phone conversation intercepted

    And 95% of those seem to have gone missing for follow up questioning.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:56 | 3643770 azengrcat
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    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 19:04 | 3644050 Manipuflation
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    One more upvote and then stop.

    Wed, 06/12/2013 - 15:24 | 3651167 1C3-N1N3
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    GAHHHH! Now we have 199 more to go.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:58 | 3643780 One And Only
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    I said exactly this a few days ago and got 20 down votes.

    People VOTED FOR this.

    Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:07 | 3643820 mick_richfield
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    The worst and most damaging conceit is that "people voted for this."

    When you lose that illusion, you will be free.

    In a world where some men can create infinite 'money' and force you to accept it -- do I really need to point out how meaningless those votes are?

    Wake up, or don't.  My species will survive or it won't. 

    Finally, it is all one to me.



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