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Pentagon Papers' Ellsberg Says Snowden Saves Us From The "United Stasi Of America"

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It is perhaps too early to judge the impact of Edward Snowden's confirmation of conspiracy fact, but in Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg opinion in today's Guardian, there has not been a more important leak in American history. The "executive coup" against the US constitution that has, at first sercretly but increasingly openly, been under way since 9/11 could finally be stalled by the Whistleblower's efforts. Ellsberg notes Senator Frank Church's 1975 comments on the NSA warning of the dangerous prospect that America's intelligence gathering capability "at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left," noting 'that has now happened'. That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of.


Via The Guardian,



Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.


Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.




The fact that congressional leaders were "briefed" on this and went along with it, without any open debate, hearings, staff analysis, or any real chance for effective dissent, only shows how broken the system of checks and balances is in this country.




In 1975, Senator Frank Church spoke of the National Security Agency in these terms:


"I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."


The dangerous prospect of which he warned was that America's intelligence gathering capability "at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left."




That has now happened. That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of. Snowden reveals that the so-called intelligence community has become the United Stasi of America.




So we have fallen into Senator Church's abyss.




Snowden did what he did because he recognised the NSA's surveillance programs for what they are: dangerous, unconstitutional activity. This wholesale invasion of Americans' and foreign citizens' privacy does not contribute to our security; it puts in danger the very liberties we're trying to protect.

Read more at The Guardian...

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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:49 | 3641625 konputa
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A leak, of what has been common knowledge since the Bush administration.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:50 | 3641632 greased up deaf guy
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godspeed, mr. snowden.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641679 GetZeeGold
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Just don't take any beer with you on the boat....they're using it to round up the whistle-blowers.

Activist Erin Brockovich Arrested for Drunk Boating...


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:07 | 3641702 kliguy38
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there will be NO rollback of the NSA program......this all has to play out......gl all

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:11 | 3641718 SWRichmond
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Remember what happened right after Cheney told us about the $Trillions missing from the Pentagon budget?

False flag terror attack, followed by hot proxy warfare in Syria, followed soon by gloabl war, beggining in 3...2...1...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:27 | 3641776 Money 4 Nothing
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Rumsfeld on 9-10-2001.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:40 | 3641831 tip e. canoe
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always had a sneaking suspicion that that mea-culpa was code giving the final greenlight.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:15 | 3641969 Transformer
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Bradley Manning and now Snowden.  Who will be the next traitor to come forward?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3642148 aint no fortuna...
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ahh, I've been waiting for the bootlickers to show up... anybody got some kool-aid and Depends?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:03 | 3642362 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey FuckTard Transformer,the answer is easy.....    You.

You saound like a "Traitor" to your friends ,family and neighbors.

Your user name tells me you are a Trannie,informant...AKA   "rat"

Have a nice day.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:41 | 3643319 FeralSerf
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FuckTard Transformer is a honeypot. He's a shill that's designed to accumulate information about the people that are reading these posts. The onion has many layers.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:22 | 3642449 Sandmann
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Traitor ? You elect them to Congress and the White House. The ones you call "traitor" uphold the US Constitution

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:10 | 3644336 g'kar
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If they ever enforced the Oath Of Office to uphold the Constitution Snowden would be the only man left standing.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:01 | 3645118 torak
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If you come forward advocating the destruction of the Contitution -- then look in a mirror and you will view the real traitor.  Buy some brown shirts.  I'm sure they're fitting considering your viewpoint.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:39 | 3641819 Midasking
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Exactly NOTHING will be rolled back.  The US car is driving off a cliff the real question is HOW FAR CAN WE JUMP IT? Just strap yourself in.... http://tinyurl.com/mem7o7x

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:59 | 3641916 Anusocracy
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The technology is there.

You don't think some self-respecting control freaks will refuse to use it.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:03 | 3642167 Aurora Ex Machina
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Just for you, excellent comment.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:58 | 3642343 Patriot Eke
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Want to do something illegal and/or unethical?  That's easy: classify and compartmentalize it.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:36 | 3643305 Sokhmate
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Scene: van driving off bridge.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:42 | 3641834 Race Car Driver
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Hear me now and believe me later - this Snowden guy's purpose is to define the new normalcy. There are supposedly calls by the intel goons to 'disappear' this guy. And, they may or may not - just like Tim McVeigh and Ken Lay ... you won't know WTF happened to them.

You're either with US or with the Terrorists. And being the US is now 100% officially a police state - 'disappearing' is the new norm. You will either quietly tolerate it, if not outright support it - or you'll be put on the list for future disappearance.

This is all just a script for the new, new norm.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:18 | 3641981 Ferrari
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I think you nailed it. This kid is breaking the news to us, it's on the table, we're silent, so We The People accept the new status quo.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:07 | 3643634 Aurora Ex Machina
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You're theorizing he's a Judas Goat. Just as valid a theory as thinking he's a Grey Man.


If you're interested, he's already confirmed he's a Redditor, and is leading the charge for a new /sub over there, to strive for change. Wouldn't surprise me if he played a lot of EvE, either.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:55 | 3644020 trader1
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snowden was really really low in the food chain. 

it's quite a show.

in any case, booz allen is seriously raping the american taxpayer by charging more than double the salary of the typical GS-11/12 IASO...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:03 | 3645241 StandardDeviant
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Thanks for the link (even if it is to a Daily Mail article :).

The journalist points out that the comments were said with a sort of half-joking bravado, and probably weren't meant in earnest.  But it does give you a disturbing glimpse into how this sort of person thinks.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641633 SheepDog-One
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Really Bush was president in 75?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:11 | 3641719 mrdenis
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He was still president of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity .....

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3641732 konputa
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Really, did you somehow miss that all email, text messages and phone billing records have been captured and analyzed, with warrantless taps, for more than a decade since September eleventh? I remember these then current developments being discussed publicly. American Idol was still new and perhaps a better distraction than I would have thought.



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:22 | 3641759 nonclaim
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B started it, we all agree.

O could have stopped it. But he didn't.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:04 | 3641935 Bay of Pigs
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Wrong. The NSA has been around for decades. Try reading the Puzzle Palace by James Bamford, among others.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:28 | 3642031 nonclaim
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It was started sometime before O, we all agree.

O could have stopped it. But he didn't.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3642081 Bay of Pigs
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I hear you.

It was 1952 (60 years ago) if anyone wondered. Budget and employees are classified. Billions upon billions and thousands of employees. Largest group of mathematicians and computers in the world.

Not an accurate source, but a basic overview nontheless,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsa

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:45 | 3643342 FeralSerf
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O couldn't have stopped it anymore than JFK could have and JFK was a hell of a lot more of a Commander in Chief than O-puppet.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:38 | 3641822 smlbizman
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the abortion debate seems to be the biggest look over here topic while they pulled off this coup off over the last decade......than they added the gay debate.....now it seems like fuck it, we are at a point that we need no real distractions....checkmate fuckers....

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:16 | 3641973 Paveway IV
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Since September 11th? 

Sorry, but in 1994 Congress mandated that U.S. telecom carriers build all their equipment to allow easy, undetectable government wiretapping of any communication. It was too manual a process up until then and telecom carriers took too long to install a tap. The CALEA act didn't authorize the taps, it just forced telecoms to make all their equipment suitable for automated wiretapping. 

The gutting of your constitution started earlier than that, but CAELA is a better starting point for widescale domestic spying. September 11th was just an opportunity for the government to self-legalize what it had already been doing for years.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:42 | 3641842 Lord Blankcheck
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HW and the same cronies that ran Jrs reign.Rummy,Dick C.......Reagan couldn't recall any thing anyway.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641634 Harlequin001
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Let every Federal employee involved in this hang their head in shame...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641643 GeezerGeek
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Too many words; I suggest: "Let every Federal employee involved in this hang."

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3641731 Doña K
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They were just following orders

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:47 | 3641867 cro_maat
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Having served in the Navy during the 80's I pledged the Military Oath to obey my superiors, however:

"The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809[890].ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ."

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:03 | 3641926 Anusocracy
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They were just following their instincts.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3641694 Urban Redneck
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Federal employee pensions are not granted ERISA protection - i.e. they are subject to forfeiture.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:13 | 3641727 Sudden Debt
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Give every American citizen a free Giant hamburger at McDonals so they don't give a fuck.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:45 | 3641858 Race Car Driver
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Two, or it's no deal.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:41 | 3642085 Che Guevara is Dead
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And a Frappe for our obese women.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:00 | 3642153 francis_sawyer
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How about a plate of North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:45 | 3642110 TahoeBilly2012
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Gawd that just made me hungry, weird.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:45 | 3642109 Sofa King Confused
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I want fries and a shake also.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:01 | 3642158 francis_sawyer
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"You'll get nothing & like it"

~Judge Smails

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641646 tmosley
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Sure, NOW it has "always" been common knowledge, but before the leak it was just "crazy conspiracy theories".

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641680 RSloane
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As in last week it was still "crazy conspiracy theories".

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