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Pentagon Papers' Ellsberg Says Snowden Saves Us From The "United Stasi Of America"

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It is perhaps too early to judge the impact of Edward Snowden's confirmation of conspiracy fact, but in Pentagon Papers' Daniel Ellsberg opinion in today's Guardian, there has not been a more important leak in American history. The "executive coup" against the US constitution that has, at first sercretly but increasingly openly, been under way since 9/11 could finally be stalled by the Whistleblower's efforts. Ellsberg notes Senator Frank Church's 1975 comments on the NSA warning of the dangerous prospect that America's intelligence gathering capability "at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left," noting 'that has now happened'. That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of.


Via The Guardian,



Snowden's whistleblowing gives us the possibility to roll back a key part of what has amounted to an "executive coup" against the US constitution.


Since 9/11, there has been, at first secretly but increasingly openly, a revocation of the bill of rights for which this country fought over 200 years ago. In particular, the fourth and fifth amendments of the US constitution, which safeguard citizens from unwarranted intrusion by the government into their private lives, have been virtually suspended.




The fact that congressional leaders were "briefed" on this and went along with it, without any open debate, hearings, staff analysis, or any real chance for effective dissent, only shows how broken the system of checks and balances is in this country.




In 1975, Senator Frank Church spoke of the National Security Agency in these terms:


"I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."


The dangerous prospect of which he warned was that America's intelligence gathering capability "at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left."




That has now happened. That is what Snowden has exposed, with official, secret documents. The NSA, FBI and CIA have, with the new digital technology, surveillance powers over our own citizens that the Stasi – the secret police in the former "democratic republic" of East Germany – could scarcely have dreamed of. Snowden reveals that the so-called intelligence community has become the United Stasi of America.




So we have fallen into Senator Church's abyss.




Snowden did what he did because he recognised the NSA's surveillance programs for what they are: dangerous, unconstitutional activity. This wholesale invasion of Americans' and foreign citizens' privacy does not contribute to our security; it puts in danger the very liberties we're trying to protect.

Read more at The Guardian...


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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:49 | 3641625 konputa
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A leak, of what has been common knowledge since the Bush administration.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:50 | 3641632 greased up deaf guy
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godspeed, mr. snowden.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641679 GetZeeGold
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Just don't take any beer with you on the boat....they're using it to round up the whistle-blowers.

Activist Erin Brockovich Arrested for Drunk Boating...


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:07 | 3641702 kliguy38
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there will be NO rollback of the NSA program......this all has to play all

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:11 | 3641718 SWRichmond
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Remember what happened right after Cheney told us about the $Trillions missing from the Pentagon budget?

False flag terror attack, followed by hot proxy warfare in Syria, followed soon by gloabl war, beggining in 3...2...1...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:27 | 3641776 Money 4 Nothing
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Rumsfeld on 9-10-2001.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:40 | 3641831 tip e. canoe
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always had a sneaking suspicion that that mea-culpa was code giving the final greenlight.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:15 | 3641969 Transformer
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Bradley Manning and now Snowden.  Who will be the next traitor to come forward?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:58 | 3642148 aint no fortuna...
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ahh, I've been waiting for the bootlickers to show up... anybody got some kool-aid and Depends?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:03 | 3642362 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey FuckTard Transformer,the answer is easy.....    You.

You saound like a "Traitor" to your friends ,family and neighbors.

Your user name tells me you are a Trannie,informant...AKA   "rat"

Have a nice day.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:41 | 3643319 FeralSerf
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FuckTard Transformer is a honeypot. He's a shill that's designed to accumulate information about the people that are reading these posts. The onion has many layers.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:22 | 3642449 Sandmann
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Traitor ? You elect them to Congress and the White House. The ones you call "traitor" uphold the US Constitution

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:10 | 3644336 g'kar
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If they ever enforced the Oath Of Office to uphold the Constitution Snowden would be the only man left standing.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:01 | 3645118 torak
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If you come forward advocating the destruction of the Contitution -- then look in a mirror and you will view the real traitor.  Buy some brown shirts.  I'm sure they're fitting considering your viewpoint.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:39 | 3641819 Midasking
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Exactly NOTHING will be rolled back.  The US car is driving off a cliff the real question is HOW FAR CAN WE JUMP IT? Just strap yourself in....

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:59 | 3641916 Anusocracy
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The technology is there.

You don't think some self-respecting control freaks will refuse to use it.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:03 | 3642167 Aurora Ex Machina
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Just for you, excellent comment.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:58 | 3642343 Patriot Eke
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Want to do something illegal and/or unethical?  That's easy: classify and compartmentalize it.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:36 | 3643305 Sokhmate
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Scene: van driving off bridge.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:42 | 3641834 Race Car Driver
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Hear me now and believe me later - this Snowden guy's purpose is to define the new normalcy. There are supposedly calls by the intel goons to 'disappear' this guy. And, they may or may not - just like Tim McVeigh and Ken Lay ... you won't know WTF happened to them.

You're either with US or with the Terrorists. And being the US is now 100% officially a police state - 'disappearing' is the new norm. You will either quietly tolerate it, if not outright support it - or you'll be put on the list for future disappearance.

This is all just a script for the new, new norm.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:18 | 3641981 Ferrari
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I think you nailed it. This kid is breaking the news to us, it's on the table, we're silent, so We The People accept the new status quo.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 17:07 | 3643634 Aurora Ex Machina
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You're theorizing he's a Judas Goat. Just as valid a theory as thinking he's a Grey Man.


If you're interested, he's already confirmed he's a Redditor, and is leading the charge for a new /sub over there, to strive for change. Wouldn't surprise me if he played a lot of EvE, either.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 18:55 | 3644020 trader1
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snowden was really really low in the food chain. 

it's quite a show.

in any case, booz allen is seriously raping the american taxpayer by charging more than double the salary of the typical GS-11/12 IASO...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:03 | 3645241 StandardDeviant
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Thanks for the link (even if it is to a Daily Mail article :).

The journalist points out that the comments were said with a sort of half-joking bravado, and probably weren't meant in earnest.  But it does give you a disturbing glimpse into how this sort of person thinks.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641633 SheepDog-One
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Really Bush was president in 75?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:11 | 3641719 mrdenis
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He was still president of the Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity .....

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3641732 konputa
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Really, did you somehow miss that all email, text messages and phone billing records have been captured and analyzed, with warrantless taps, for more than a decade since September eleventh? I remember these then current developments being discussed publicly. American Idol was still new and perhaps a better distraction than I would have thought.



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:22 | 3641759 nonclaim
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B started it, we all agree.

O could have stopped it. But he didn't.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:04 | 3641935 Bay of Pigs
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Wrong. The NSA has been around for decades. Try reading the Puzzle Palace by James Bamford, among others.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:28 | 3642031 nonclaim
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It was started sometime before O, we all agree.

O could have stopped it. But he didn't.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3642081 Bay of Pigs
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I hear you.

It was 1952 (60 years ago) if anyone wondered. Budget and employees are classified. Billions upon billions and thousands of employees. Largest group of mathematicians and computers in the world.

Not an accurate source, but a basic overview nontheless,

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 15:45 | 3643342 FeralSerf
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O couldn't have stopped it anymore than JFK could have and JFK was a hell of a lot more of a Commander in Chief than O-puppet.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:38 | 3641822 smlbizman
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the abortion debate seems to be the biggest look over here topic while they pulled off this coup off over the last decade......than they added the gay it seems like fuck it, we are at a point that we need no real distractions....checkmate fuckers....

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:16 | 3641973 Paveway IV
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Since September 11th? 

Sorry, but in 1994 Congress mandated that U.S. telecom carriers build all their equipment to allow easy, undetectable government wiretapping of any communication. It was too manual a process up until then and telecom carriers took too long to install a tap. The CALEA act didn't authorize the taps, it just forced telecoms to make all their equipment suitable for automated wiretapping. 

The gutting of your constitution started earlier than that, but CAELA is a better starting point for widescale domestic spying. September 11th was just an opportunity for the government to self-legalize what it had already been doing for years.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:42 | 3641842 Lord Blankcheck
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HW and the same cronies that ran Jrs reign.Rummy,Dick C.......Reagan couldn't recall any thing anyway.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641634 Harlequin001
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Let every Federal employee involved in this hang their head in shame...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641643 GeezerGeek
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Too many words; I suggest: "Let every Federal employee involved in this hang."

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:14 | 3641731 Doña K
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They were just following orders

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:47 | 3641867 cro_maat
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Having served in the Navy during the 80's I pledged the Military Oath to obey my superiors, however:

"The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) 809[890].ART.90 (20), makes it clear that military personnel need to obey the "lawful command of his superior officer," 891.ART.91 (2), the "lawful order of a warrant officer", 892.ART.92 (1) the "lawful general order", 892.ART.92 (2) "lawful order". In each case, military personnel have an obligation and a duty to only obey Lawful orders and indeed have an obligation to disobey Unlawful orders, including orders by the president that do not comply with the UCMJ. The moral and legal obligation is to the U.S. Constitution and not to those who would issue unlawful orders, especially if those orders are in direct violation of the Constitution and the UCMJ."

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:03 | 3641926 Anusocracy
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They were just following their instincts.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3641694 Urban Redneck
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Federal employee pensions are not granted ERISA protection - i.e. they are subject to forfeiture.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:13 | 3641727 Sudden Debt
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Give every American citizen a free Giant hamburger at McDonals so they don't give a fuck.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:45 | 3641858 Race Car Driver
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Two, or it's no deal.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:41 | 3642085 Che Guevara is Dead
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And a Frappe for our obese women.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:00 | 3642153 francis_sawyer
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How about a plate of North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:45 | 3642110 TahoeBilly2012
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Gawd that just made me hungry, weird.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:45 | 3642109 Sofa King Confused
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I want fries and a shake also.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:01 | 3642158 francis_sawyer
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"You'll get nothing & like it"

~Judge Smails

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641646 tmosley
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Sure, NOW it has "always" been common knowledge, but before the leak it was just "crazy conspiracy theories".

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641680 RSloane
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As in last week it was still "crazy conspiracy theories".

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:05 | 3641692 GetZeeGold
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If you're in the shouldn't be reading about that stuff.

Military told not to read Obama-scandal news...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:38 | 3641821 machineh
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... and it's one, two, three, WHAT ARE WE FIGHTIN' FOR?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:55 | 3641902 lakecity55
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Anyone currently in the military had better be aware they are going to eventually be offed by these psychopaths.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:06 | 3645250 StandardDeviant
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The difference is something called "evidence", which this heroic Snowden fellow has now provided in abundance.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:26 | 3641780 earnyermoney
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Common knowledge of the employees of the alphabet soup agencies. Everyone else is just a tin-foil hat nutter.


Every employee who signed off, participated in this scheme should be arrested as a traitor to the country and hung from the gallows if found guildy.


I'll bet Barry was using this tool to spy on his political enemies and opponents.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:52 | 3641889 Race Car Driver
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> I'll bet Barry was using this tool to spy on his political enemies and opponents.

Hey, sorry - I had to junk ya for this little faux pas. Barry doesn't have any political enemies or opponents. There's the Team - and everyone else. Yes, Barry - and every other .gov paycheck collector team member - is spying on everyone else.

You're with US or against us. Two groups - with, against. No others. Capiche?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 14:10 | 3642897 Totentänzerlied
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Team State is actually Blue Team Statists + Red Team Statists + ....
Internally, Team State fights as much as any other group. The important point is that what they're fighting over are the minute details of how to gain ever more power, control, and money - not whether to do so or not, just how exactly it will be done.

All politicians have political enemies, but, axiomatically, they don't have ideological enemies among politicians,max far as statism is concerned. Some of them prefer a more nuanced approach to lying/stealing/killing/exploiting/dominating, some not, that is all, and yet they fight as much amomgst themselves as any other group.

I'm really not sure what would prompt you to commit such a blatantly fallacious error. You sound like Bush Jr. Guh yerr either wiv us er yerr wiv thuh terrrrists!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:05 | 3641944 Iriestx
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Hanged.  When you lynch a person it's hanged.  Hung is a big fat cock.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:49 | 3642122 Stackers
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Konputa, not a leak - hard confirmation.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:49 | 3641626 SheepDog-One
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Moar whistleblowers please!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641684 Wakanda
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Let's get this thang rolling!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:52 | 3641627 falak pema
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hahaha; good old Daniel Ellsberg! 

But I know that courageous as he was and as Snowden is, it'll just be a small dent in their oligarchy armour.

The state hype is so much more powerful, the MSM so much more subservient than in the 70s  and Congress so much more lobbyist plaything, and Supreme court so much more Patriot Act puppet pulpit. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3641650 DeadFred
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Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:07 | 3641698 RSloane
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I'm preparing for the worst. Hope is just another four letter word.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:29 | 3642035 DosZap
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 I loved the Drudge article that the NSA said we "accidentally" picked up some citizens messaging.Yeah sure you did.You will fall into the category of the Useful Idiots anaolgy.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:05 | 3641691 disabledvet
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perrty much. "no mention of directed advertising" Guardian? how's that for an "intrusion in privacy"? ridiculous and i agree falak...nowhere near what is needed in order to just get a handle on the enormity of the USE of said data. (and we are talking mere data collection here. i don't understand why all secrecy.)

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:20 | 3641991 Anusocracy
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The success of the State is in taking your survival instincts, which should primarily benefit yourself, and perverting them so as to benefit the State first and foremost.

Your benefit is reduced to being incidental, if at all.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:50 | 3641629 GeezerGeek
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This is just another version of Janet's See Something, Say Something. In this case, it's Surveil Someone, Squeal (to) Someone.

Except it doesn't apply to Moochelle, whose phone is supposedly hackproof.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:58 | 3641663 TheFourthStooge-ing
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If you see something, say something, Edward Snowden style.

Fuck off, Janet.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:58 | 3641666 AmCockerSpaniel
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OK; So Moochelle's phone is hackproof, but what about the phone on the other end of Moochelle's line?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:27 | 3641778 Joe Davola
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Yeah - there's one end of the conversation, the other end and the transmission channel.  Anyone thinking their technology is hackproof and secure is fooling themselves.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:50 | 3641630 philosophers bone
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It will be interesting to see if disclosure even matters.  The zombies are really scared, dependent on the government and brain dead.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:03 | 3641930 Race Car Driver
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'Disclosure' was the intent.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641635 LetThemEatRand
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Reading comments on various websites this weekend, there seems to be a fairly large number of people who truly don't give a shit (e.g., "he is helping the enemy by daring to leak state secrets"), but also a solid number of people who applaud him.  If this wakes up another 10 or 20 percent of the people who were complacent before, that may be enough to cause a real shift in this country.  But I'm skeptical.  The massive propaganda machine is already in full force.  Drudge is even running a story that this may have been Chinese spying.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3641690 duo
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The "I obey the law, I have nothing to hide" meme is all over Fox and MSNBC.  Hello!  This has nothing to do with law and order, it's about getting dirt on political enemies and blackmailing them or eliminating them.  Then the pettiness of these crimes getts greater and greater, until driving a green car on Tuesday is a crime, let alone voting for Ron Paul or Republicans in general.

How do you think they decided which Chrysler dealers to close?  THE NSA KNEW WHICH DEALERS SUPPORTED REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES and fed that info to the administration (nudge).

It's about instilling fear.  If you don't want to be audited, if you don't want to be held up at the airport, if you want that bypass for the right peope!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:29 | 3641790 nonclaim
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"nothing to do with law and order"

The word to describe this administration is _outlaw_.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:31 | 3641793 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Matt Drudge, Rachel Maddow, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of their NPR/Fox News/MSNBC/MSM gang are all going to support this surveillance sickness because they, like most Americans, fear and distrust freedom. It's as simple as that.

Sure, they rally around some vague, nebulous concept of freedom in the abstract, but the sight of anyone actually exercising freedom makes their skin crawl. They are the kind of people who would call the cops and turn in their neighbors for shooting off fireworks on Independence Day.

Their hypocricy is what I find most nauseating. Instead of hiding behind a flag, why don't they just admit that they've always longed for life in Soviet America?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:52 | 3641887 lakecity55
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Rush has moments of clarity, but I think the Oxy put him on the Blackmail List.

Besides, he is too supportive of the Money Powers.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:29 | 3642036 Anusocracy
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Control freaks don't fear and distrust freedom - they don't have a use for it, nor a concept of it.


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 14:28 | 3642986 Totentänzerlied
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These nauseating servile pathetic caricatures of human beings only care about one thing: CONTROL OF STATE POWER.

Their only concept of freedom is, freedom to be ruled by the state, freedom of the state to do absolutely anything.

They lie constantly, they manufacture lies just to confuse, they have no qualms about lying because it serves the only worthy goal: CONTROL OF STATE POWER.

The Soviet analogy is so accurate, appropriate, and true, it is downright terrifying.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:32 | 3641800 HelluvaEngineer
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It is impossible for anyone to obey the law.  There are far too many of them, and many of them are contradictory.  This is of course by design.  (Please don't quote Rand; I know the quote)

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:35 | 3641808 20834A
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That attitude is just the stupidest thing ever.

Is everyone in your family lily-white?

Your son is using drugs, Mr. Mayor. We will jail him if you don't cooperate. Now sign that bill.

Mr. Supreme Justice, vote how we want or we'll put child porn on your computer. No one will believe you didn't do it.

Congressman, stop making waves or we'll publish those intimate pictures you took of you and your wife doing those freaky things.  

We'll tell the world about your *sealed* juvenile record for prostitution, Ms. Publisher- anonymously, of course.

You had an abortion when you were twenty, Ms. ProLife. People won't think you "saw the light", just that you're a hypocrite. We'll make it so. Remember, we own Ms. Publisher.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:51 | 3641884 Disenchanted
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And even if you didn't do anything wrong, if you piss them off they'll just make shit up...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:55 | 3641899 Element
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The NSA system ain't perfect though, somehow they fail to notice some things ...

"... alcohol began to compete with my energies ... I'd lose focus". Although Bush states that he was not an alcoholic, he has acknowledged that he was "drinking too much"
On September 4, 1976 (age 30), Bush was arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol near his family's summer home in Kennebunkport, Maine. He admitted his guilt, was fined US$150, and had his driving license in the state suspended for two years, although the White House had claimed 30 days.
Bush refused to answer questions about past marijuana use. In a taped conversation with a friend, Bush said "I wouldn't answer the marijuana question. You know why? 'Cause I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."
Hatfield reported that Bush had been arrested for cocaine possession in 1972 and that his father pulled strings to have records of the arrest expunged. Bush campaign spokesperson Mindy Tucker called the allegation "absolutely untrue". Bush repeatedly refused to state whether he had ever used cocaine. Bush did say in 1999 that he could truthfully answer "no" to the then-standard FBI background check question of whether he had used any illegal drug in the last seven years. He later stated that he could have passed a background check under a policy that his father had instituted as President in 1989 that extended the background check to 15 years. This would have checked back to 1974, two years after the alleged 1972 arrest.

Some are more equal.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:02 | 3641923 20834A
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Edit: Replace Mr. Mayor with Mr. Governor

When I tried to edit, I got Access denied...not authorized...?!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 14:29 | 3642997 Totentänzerlied
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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:35 | 3642064 GCT
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Makes me sick Duo.  this has nothing to do with nothing to hide.  This has all to do with illegal access to law abiding citizens information and discussion online and over the air.  I dslike the word sheeple but t does apply in this situation.  So they state that they stopped a terrorist attack after garneering the personal information of millions of people.  Give mea break they already knew the smuck was a terrorist. 

THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH PRIVACY AND ILLEGAL SEARCHES ALL IN THE NAME OF SECURITY.  Fuck em all.  There is a reason these entertainer's on the MSM do this, they certainly do not report truthful news anymore.  So the people will agree with them.  So the dumbass sheeple will allow the government who teat is extended to them on a daily basis will silvence people with even half a brain. This has nothing to do with hiding a dam thing. 


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:21 | 3642442 Sandmann
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Fox ?  Did James Rosen really say "I have nothing to hide" ?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 12:31 | 3642489 Milestones
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Pardon me,but how in thhe hell did anyone buy "this is not a law and order issue? What is the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which is the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND; a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

If you read the 4th you will note, the reqirement for a "warrent to issue" comes first, THEN you can proceed to spy; not the other way around.

"Thus the particular praseoloogy of the Constitution of the United States confirms and strenghtens the principal, supposedly to be essentiaal to all written constitutioons, that a LAW THAT IS REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION IS VOID, AND THECOURTS AS WELL AS OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE BOUND BY THAT INSTRUMENT."Marbury v Madison 17 Wall 205 Cranch 2 (1803)

Per Blacks Legal Dictionary in part: VOID--Null; ineffectual; nugatory; having no legal force or binding effect.

Finally I would suggest that you folks who haven't done so read that document; and please read Article VI Section 2 which also proclaims the Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

I would suggest that if we do attempt to resort to the U.S. Constitution that the instument be used in the forfront of any thing else for a couple of reasons.1) It would present to the outside world with a worthy objective and 2) Would give our grunts in the military with a legit. defenswe for taking no action afgainst us due to their oath to defend the Constitution, not the government. The solders and sailers are only required to follow lawful legal orders  also.

I note wth a grin that O'blah blah stated a day os ago that this action is a "moderate encrochment" on our civil rights. AS in moderately pregnant perhaps, or in his case moderately stupid.                                 Milestones  

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641636 fonzannoon
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The best defense is a good offense. Arrange an exclusive CNBC interview with the guy. Ask him when he thinks the fed is going to taper and what his upside target is for the S&P. Confirm with him whether he feels it's better to rotate into cyclical stocks as a recovery play here or stick with the dividend players. End the interview.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:58 | 3641662 kito
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did you check out the nikkei fonz? look at those Almighty Dow futures roar this morning.....................................come out of the bunker fonz....just as i said.........

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:00 | 3641672 fonzannoon
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You keep telling me that from the other side of the bunker. 2015 is far away. You can still buy stocks and get out in plenty of time.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3641696 kito
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hahaha............the empire is clearly crumbling.............this guy makes a trifecta of important whistleblowers...... people are starting to sense the u.s. isnt the omipotent nation it once was...............little by little, there is a chipping away of the veneer that allowed the u.s. to shine..................will there be a nation to directly challenge the u.s. in the next few years? a challenge that exposes a weakness of the u.s.??? one that causes the next leg down in americas terminal decline????

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:57 | 3642143 Acet
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All it takes is for China to dump their US Treasuries.

And that might be triggered by all sorts of funny things, like a war against Iran (major oil supplier to China) or an American ally (like Japan) starting a war with China, Ben Bernanke accelerating printing due to a "sudden slowdown of the US economy" or simply by the Chinese reaching their chosen magic number in their Gold Reserves.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:55 | 3642334 GCT
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China has direct access to the Fed now.  Dump them not likely as the Fed will simply take them off their hands behind closed doors of course.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:01 | 3641678 SheepDog-One
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Kito have you turned into an index humping robotarder? Say it aint so!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:08 | 3641705 kito
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LOL....come on sheepdog!!! way!!! only point is that the crash isnt coming this year................

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:11 | 3641720 SheepDog-One
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'This year' do you know that? You've got this pegged to years now? 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:19 | 3641747 kito
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i think the mass delusion buying into this "recovery" is still gaining traction.........there is much more TPTB can swindle from americans.................they shall wait.........................the stock buying flock must be fattened further......................

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:50 | 3641881 SheepDog-One
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I knew lot's of people who always talked about buying stocks, and some real traders too....these people now are out of the markets so who are the stock buyers of today, the 401K monthly contributors only?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:06 | 3641697 LawsofPhysics
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Rates on the ten year are bouncing off 2.2 % again.  Is the Fed now buying 100% of what issuance reamins?  Tick tock motherfuckers...


I still see a whole lot of unfunded liabilities for 2013-2014.  You cannot tax what doesn't exist folks.

I remain long black markets and sharecropping.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:52 | 3641637 Catullus
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I'd really like a whistleblower from Dianne Feinstein's staff to step forward.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:32 | 3641798 quasimodo
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For what reason? So that old joo bitch can cap him/her from the backside?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:49 | 3641874 lakecity55
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The stench of her corruption reaches even the Throne of Heaven.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:34 | 3641805 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I'd really like a whistleblower from Dianne Feinstein's staff to step forward.

Unpossible. She loathes anyone with a spine, so she only hires invertebrates.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:45 | 3641852 machineh
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That is why Stasi enablers like Feinstein are given only verbal briefings, with written notes not allowed.

If some modern-day Nixonian plumbers were to burglarize Feinstein's office, likely they wouldn't find any smoking gun to prove how Feinstein sold out her country to the coup-makers.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:51 | 3641638 dick cheneys ghost
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We need a 100 'Snowdons' to come forward.......sadly, I dont think anything will come of this as most Americans are not paying attention

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:10 | 3641639 JustObserving
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They hate us for our freedoms - especially the freedom to be spied upon.  Anyone with half a brain knows that 9/11 was an inside job.  90% of Germans do not believe the official US 9/11 fairy tale.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:47 | 3641850 lakecity55
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Yeah, it's not AQ or 'terrists' who 'hates us for our freedomz.'

It's the United Stasi of America who hates us!

The enemy of the USG is the American People!!

If ZHers are not armed up, you had better do it NOW.

And I mean, carry your roscoe at all times!

You do not have the right to assault even corrupt officials, but you have every right to defend yourselves!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:47 | 3641865 machineh
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When politicians say 'we are at war' that's exactly what they mean:


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:52 | 3641641 Cursive
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Any journalist who had a set of balls would take a camera crew down to Langley and demand to have a look at his dossier.  According to conspiracy theorists*, the CIA has a file of at least 14 pages on every man, woman and child in the USSA.


*Term used to describe people who do not succumb to the brainwashing efforts of government officials and the media.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:57 | 3641659 JustObserving
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"the CIA has a file of at least 14 pages on every man, woman and child in the USSA"

It is a lot more than that since your every email, SMS message, credit card purchases and phone call information is stored.  How can it be only 14 pages? My guess is that it is well over a 1000 pages, even 10,000 pages per person.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641681 Cursive
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I agree with you that the NSA/CIA/Council on Foreign Relations/etc. collect and maintain much more data than that, but the dossier is a summary file of useful information, not just raw data.  Of course, my 14 page number was from the 80's, so the dossier could be substantially bigger now.  Regardless, this is all just another loud warning sign that to lower one's profile and move as much off-grid as possible.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:07 | 3641703 fonzannoon
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I'd love to see my file

It's gotta be hysterical. I'd love to have some of my text messages back. nobody sends as many fart jokes as I do. Nobody.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:49 | 3641876 machineh
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Welcome back, Mr. van Winkle.

Your dossier is measured in GB now. Some things have changed since you went to sleep ...


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641683 HulkHogan
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USSA, USSA, USSA! Time to add the hammer and sickle to Old Glory.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:40 | 3641832 therover
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Since the data is now in bits n bytes land, its only one page. But it's a BIG FUCKING PAGE.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:59 | 3641667 Hobbleknee
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Don't forget blood samples and DNA.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:48 | 3641873 Hulk
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I think we should all send them a stool sample to place in the file. Hell, lets just send them the whole stool !!!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 14:17 | 3642926 YC2
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Now that is a surveillance compliance campaign I can support

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:04 | 3641689 Chupacabra-322
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Absolutely! And that's this Criminal CIA/NSA's plan. To have dossier's on everyone to create false narrative's around potential political dissent.

They have threat assessments on everyone. It will make it more effective for " The Night of Long Knives" once the engineered collapse occurs. They will know the "Hot" arena of resistance & where to go with the DHS/Paramilitary storm troopers and who to disappear via NDAA.

Sick Psycopaths.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:53 | 3641642 sus sapientiae
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Though I likely picked it up from someone using it prior to me, United Stasi of America is starting to appear more frequently...

Sun, 06/09/2013 - 17:51 | 3640076


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:51 | 3641882 machineh
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Important, too, to spell out NSA as National Stasi Agency.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:09 | 3641925 Element
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Yeah, but how come US taxpayers have no clue whatsoever what the NSA budget is?

Do they keep books?  Does anyone account for anything? Or do they just pour money in the top and various people just steal whatever they fuckn want from the NSA accounts, cause no one knows shit about what's being theived, nor how much money should really be in there?

just asking, 'cause I wouldn't mind workin there ... like, see how it goes n stuff ...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:17 | 3641980 Joe Davola
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200,000/yr for a subcontractor - Booz Allen's gotta be charging the feds around a mil/yr

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 14:40 | 3643064 supermaxedout
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I was shocked when reading this headline:

SSA just purchased 174,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition.

I had problems to understand that it is not a neo SS or SA organization. It is hard to imagine that it is in fact the US  "Social Security Administration" stockpiling war ammunition for reasons unexplainable to me.

There you have it. Stasi and SS or SA hand in hand against umh ? The commies umh,r the Nazis umh ?  No better against the terrorists, that fits in doubt to anybody.

So if you have trouble with your neighbour next door, just call the "New Stasi Agency" and tell'em, that you are working with the SSA and that your neighbour is terrorizing you. That should fix the problem. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3641647 bania
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If I wanted to dismantle buildings I should be a structural engineer.
If I wanted to dismantle the constitution I should be a constitutional lawyer.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3641648 SheepDog-One
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Their plan to 'sneak in' a rights-less liberty-less america was doomed from inception. It's over for them they just don't know it yet, but I'm sure dreams of enslaving 'The People of Wal*Mart' won't go down without a fight. Fuckin idiots.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:54 | 3641649 Smegley Wanxalot
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but POSident Oblowhard said we've "struck a balance" so it must be ok, right?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:00 | 3641669 SheepDog-One
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Yep the balance is 'We rule you and do whatever we want, see?'

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:55 | 3641651 Smuckers
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I was going to apply for Snowden's job, but before I could click 'Send' on my resume, I got an email saying I was not a successful candidate.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:15 | 3641736 JustObserving
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Being a Zero Hedge regular disqualifies you from every National Security job - too high a probability that you may go rogue.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:57 | 3641655 Debugas
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eastern europe - whenever a cell phone with a special custom made chip designed to encrypt communication is used the providers are oblidged to report it to the special unit which in cooperation with manufacturer tries to decypher the communication and capture the device and its owner. I know this practice is being used for over 10 years now

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:18 | 3641712 Jorgen
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eastern europe - whenever a cell phone with a special custom made chip designed to encrypt communication is used the providers are oblidged to report it to the special unit which in cooperation with manufacturer tries to decypher the communication and capture the device and its owner. I know this practice is being used for over 10 years now.

Geographically Eastern Europe (Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia) or ex-Soviet Block Eastern Europe? I had never heard before of what you wrote above. It is certainly possible that Belarus, Ukraine and/or Russia may have this kind of laws, but Czechia, Poland or Hungary...? Do you have a source of your info?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:57 | 3641660 Hobbleknee
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So the government will slap some wrists and promise to stop, but of course they won't really stop.  And then what?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:04 | 3641685 tarsubil
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Then you get a police state where literally no one can expect to continue to walk around after even thinking ill towards our masters.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:34 | 3641803 lakecity55
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We'll end up like NAZI Germany where there will be a 'curfew' after dark, where the new national police force will be on patrol, demanding your 'papers' and wanting to know your business.

The military is being told not to read about the WH scandals. Veterans are the new enemy. The dhs, led by a corrupt lesbian communist/fascist is going to be our new 'army' unless we stop it!

You guys remember the TEA Party  irs demonstration in Florida a couple of weeks ago?

Look up the story. There was a new police force there, guys with weapons and 'dhs' patches on their shoulders.

When did CONgress pass a new National Police Force law?

It is time to Hang Together OR hang separately!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:56 | 3641907 Chupacabra-322
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They were marching in front of a Federal Reserve building. If I'm not mistaken, The National Police Force is The Federal Reserves assigned security force.

Criminals protecting criminals.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:50 | 3642309 Paveway IV
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No formal 'National Police Force' yet and nobody that goes by that exact name. As a practical matter though, Congress has been building one since 9/11. They doled out "Federal Law Enforcement" authority after 9/11 to all kinds of shady security organizations. Federal Reserve building security got the blessing, and are now Federal Reserve Police:

Security guards for generic federal buildings/property were likewise designated as Federal Law Enforcement Officers after 9/11. They're called the Federal Protective Service and are organized under the Department of Homeland Stasi:

The DHS FPS contracts out almost all of their work, although they keep referring to those contractors as 'staff' and 'officers', so they must have some magic powers. They're well-armed in any case, so obey their orders in your FEMA camp. 

With all the scandal, I can't leave out the recent DHS FPS news: the ex-Regional Director of the Capitol region just pleaded guilty to bribery charges. One of the big rent-a-cop outfits with FPS contracts is Security Assistance Corporaton(SAC). SAC was a scam started after 9/11 pretending to be a small minority-owned business to cash in on fed security contracts. The feds ignored that for years, but finally had to act when they found out SAC was bribing FPS for even more contracts.



Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:03 | 3641931 imapopulistnow
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That was one scary WTF pic! 

I was taught in civics class that we had local police forces instead of national police forces to protect our democracy.  Now we have a national police force? 

A state police force?  A force for a police state?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 08:58 | 3641665 Bearwagon
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Did anyone here on ZH already mention the possibility, that even this sort of welcome revealment could be staged? I don't know, but I think it could merely be a distraction from much more sinister and dangerous actvities! The medium is the massage, and all that ...

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:01 | 3641676 therearetoomany...
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I have...and, read article I psted directly above. 


Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:03 | 3641671 therearetoomany...
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A side track here but I just saw this article in canada freepress.  I must say that I know nothing of this site or the author.  But, what he is saying here, though it is schlocky in the beginning, if it's true, confirms what everyone on here, and other similar sites, Alex Jones, etc, has been saying for some time now...

Please read and beware...

EDIT:  If anyone can prove or otherwise convince me it's BS, I will gladly remove the text of this post.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:08 | 3641707 SheepDog-One
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I dont know if the clandestine meeting actually happened but certainly the story sounds about right in my opinion.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:39 | 3641779 lakecity55
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They have had a consistent record so far.

I have followed his posts for several years. Hagmann is a devout Christian and has consistently angered TPTB. IMO, he is following his conscience as his Faith instructs him to do.

Hagmann seems to be the real deal.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 09:57 | 3641911 Disenchanted
Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:06 | 3641941 therearetoomany...
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Thanks...up arrow but I guess too much time has passed and I can no longer edit the comment.

Let's all agree it's horseshit.

Assuming Ken-Welch and you aren't some kind of psy-ops trolls.  :-p

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:24 | 3642009 Disenchanted
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I'm not Ken Welch, but I used to wonder about William 'Bill' Cooper considering his ties to Naval Intelligence(and his religious bent) but once he turned up dead in Nov 2001 I reassessed him and what he had to say before the AZ LEOs killed him. Not saying I'm fully onboard with everything Cooper put out there, but I think you'll get my drift.

If Hagmann turns up dead I guess I'd have to do the same with him.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:31 | 3642047 lakecity55
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There seems to be more information available on Hagmann than Welch.

It goes to motive.

There is a greater motive to discredit Hagmann than to substantiate him, IMO.

More research is called for. Maybe a ZHer with IT skills can dig deeper on both Hagmann and Welch.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:28 | 3642030 lakecity55
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