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Ron Paul On Government Spying: "Should We Be Shocked?"
From Ron Paul
Government Spying: Should We Be Shocked?
Last week we saw dramatic new evidence of illegal government surveillance of our telephone calls, and of the National Security Agency’s deep penetration into American companies such as Facebook and Microsoft to spy on us. The media seemed shocked.
Many of us are not so surprised.
Some of us were arguing back in 2001 with the introduction of the so-called PATRIOT Act that it would pave the way for massive US government surveillance—not targeting terrorists but rather aimed against American citizens. We were told we must accept this temporary measure to provide government the tools to catch those responsible for 9/11. That was nearly twelve years and at least four wars ago.
We should know by now that when it comes to government power-grabs, we never go back to the status quo even when the “crisis” has passed. That part of our freedom and civil liberties once lost is never regained. How many times did the PATRIOT Act need renewed? How many times did FISA authority need expanded? Why did we have to pass a law to grant immunity to companies who hand over our personal information to the government?
It was all a build-up of the government’s capacity to monitor us.
The reaction of some in Congress and the Administration to last week’s leak was predictable. Knee-jerk defenders of the police state such as Senator Lindsey Graham declared that he was “glad” the government was collecting Verizon phone records—including his own—because the government needs to know what the enemy is up to. Those who take an oath to defend the Constitution from its enemies both foreign and domestic should worry about such statements.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers tells us of the tremendous benefits of this Big Brother-like program. He promises us that domestic terrorism plots were thwarted, but he cannot tell us about them because they are classified. I am a bit skeptical, however. In April, the New York Times reported that most of these domestic plots were actually elaborate sting operations developed and pushed by the FBI. According to the Times report, “of the 22 most frightening plans for attacks since 9/11 on American soil, 14 were developed in sting operations.”
Even if Chairman Rogers is right, though, and the program caught someone up to no good, we have to ask ourselves whether even such a result justifies trashing the Constitution. Here is what I said on the floor of the House when the PATRIOT Act was up for renewal back in 2011:
“If you want to be perfectly safe from child abuse and wife beating, the government could put a camera in every one of our houses and our bedrooms, and maybe there would be somebody made safer this way, but what would you be giving up? Perfect safety is not the purpose of government. What we want from government is to enforce the law to protect our liberties.”
What most undermines the claims of the Administration and its defenders about this surveillance program is the process itself. First the government listens in on all of our telephone calls without a warrant and then if it finds something it goes to a FISA court and get an illegal approval for what it has already done! This turns the rule of law and due process on its head.
The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing. We need to turn the cameras on the police and on the government, not the other way around. We should be thankful for writers like Glenn Greenwald, who broke last week’s story, for taking risks to let us know what the government is doing. There are calls for the persecution of Greenwald and the other whistle-blowers and reporters. They should be defended, as their work defends our freedom.
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"dialouge"....? Is that French?
(HE, HE, HE HE, HE, HE HE, HE, HE)
STARVE THE BEAST!!!
yes, yes -- French.
One thousand I Sorry's.
Giant TESTICLES. Fuck You Spynet. Could this guy...gasp...actually...be a selfless patriot? Edward you better not let me down. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/06/spynet-deconstructing-ed...
Shocked? Whos shocked? I'm not, the question should be 'Are You Fucking Suprised?'
These insane mother fuckers could give two hoots about anyone of you lot, they dont care friends, not one jot, they can and DO whatever the fuck they like with near impunity of law. Look at the banks, look at the governments, look at Bengazi, Bradley Manning, Gitmo, Jon Fucking Corzine, the Libor scandal?
Wake the fuck up folks, these people we are talking about are truly insane and above the law that applies to you and I.
They know that we know, they are just playing for time before the shit storm hits, and it will. At some point, and I dont know when these people WILL pay for the crimes the have commited against us.
God damn criminal fuckers to the last.
You are a wordsmith sir. I only wish I had one half of your restraint. Up arrow.
Cheers Lunaticfringe,
Most folk just think I am a fucking stark raving mad idiot.
Nice to be complemented for a change.
:-)
Not to me you don't, you sound like someone who's got their head on straight man. +1
Cheers Sweet Chicken,
;-)
+1 (1,000,000) from another stark raving mad idiot (SRMI)!
Power and control, almost everyone who has a chance to be in the position loves to exert it. From a home owner's association to the Federal Government, those who could not make it on their own, snicker as they pass regulations and laws adding to the burdens of us.
From the humiliating TSA checks at the airport to the grim faced third degree by customs as you enter the country, it is obvious America has become a police state.
Like Janis sung years ago, "Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose" or something to that effect.
Sometimes you just wish you could press that green arrow unlimited amount of times.....
Dear NSA,
I am not afraid of Jihad, terrorism or the boogeyman. What I am afraid of is government.
please go fuck yourself
I concur.
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Yes, but some Govts are much more dangerous than others, for instance, the govt of USSA is much more viscious, ideologically warped, murderous and generally existentially dangerous, to all of humanity, not just to its own citizens, than complete pikers like say, the govt of North Korea.
QED
I suppose if someone nuked Seattle, it would be news for a couple of days.
Prison inmates are supposed to have perfect security but even then government cannot really ensure it. Otherwise we would not have rape and murder there. But in exchange for that level of security, prisoners have no rights whatsoever. How many cannot wait for their time to be released?
Good point -- they can't even enforce the War on Drugs in their own prisons.
So how's it possibly going to work out here, in our open-air prison yard??
Awesome point!
The unfortunate part of this is that Ron Paul is probably too old to run and Rand is going to make the same mistake his dad did which was to try to effect change within the structure of Republican Party.
A new brand is required - NOT the "Tea Party". And the movement has to have a 100% focus on financial, economic and, yes, social liberty.
Don't get distracted and don't get bought off. I know, it's a tough assignment - Even Ron Paul couldn't bring himself to do it.
Yep, right on target. There must be a third party. Trying to reform the Republican party is a waste of time as long as it has among it's members Graham,McCain, and their ilk. We should be balls out organizing a third party based on liberty and the constitution. Rand could lead the charge but I get the feeling he isn't committed enough. Maybe he actually likes the old boys club
Let's see, we have:
The Fascist Party.
The Socialist (Communist) Party.
The Anarchist Party.
What would be the correct name and focus for the new party?
I used to love it when Bill Clinton referred to his "Focus" groups. With acknowledgement to Red Skelton we all should know what the word "Focus" really means!
By the time a party as you described gets organized, legalized, and funded, It will have become corrupted and co-opted by the same Babylonian Banksters who control both the Demoncrap and Republidiot parties.
It must be genuinely grassroots conservative and libertarian to have a chance. Control of the peoples House of Representatives is sufficient to take control of this evil Beast on the Potomac. Those souls who fall prey to the D.C. corruptocrats can be rotated out every 2 years. Every unconstitutional act of the executive or judicial branch can be controlled by defunding. Of course, the weak-kneed corrupt John Boehner will have to be dumped as "potted plant of the House".
The corrupt old mossbacks in the senate will be rotated out by death.
STARVE THE BEAST!!!
Screw all these massive parties. They are all sacks of crap. We the people need to become decentralized and disorganized. Living anarchy may be our only hope. Financially starve all the beasts.
Chair Satan may get to print for a while longer to keep the facade alive but when it bursts it will be a beautiful thing.
The pain is worth the prospects at the end.
On a side note: I would rather take my chance with the occasional terrorist than this goobermint.
A Spooner quote rings more true each and every day:
I used to have a knee jerk reaction to this quote. The one thing that was sacrosact in my world was the US constitution.
His comment (made over 150 years ago), perfectly describes our current state of being.
This single quote has made me think deeper about the nature of government than no other.
It makes me laugh when I see TV miniseries about alien invasions (Falling Skies is the latest) where one of the first things that is done is a new government is formed.
It is reinforced everywhere you look. Knee jerk. Like it is a necessity of life.
Food, water, shelter, government.
pods
FISA "courts" are a rubber stamping fraud. They exist so the government can act under a Federal Judge's OK, and it is always OK.
A red arrow for that? Truth hurts.
And, PS, who are these "judges" anyway, who work in secret and always hold for the government?
Don't be distracted nor disturbed by red arrows. There are people on this site, and thousands of others, who never post a comment but do down arrow people because they can do so with anonymity. If someone felt your comment was wrong they should at least have the balls to say why. If they don't ignore the arrow.
Sometimes it's easier to down arrow someone than to take the time, like this, to explain to an idiot why their comment is worthless, racist, or just plain wrong. I contnue to be amazed at the number of such comments that get accolades on this site.
I contnue too don't hurt too much.
"...who are these "judges" anyway, who work in secret and always hold for the government?"
A Star Chamber?
I remember as far back as early 80's everyone saying you're nuts for thinking the gubment was spying on you and keeping files, you're just crazy, paranoid, a 'conspiracy theorist'....today when thats proven to be exactly the case, everyone just says 'Meh...who cares....where's my 401K statement'?
laughing out loud
I thought all good Americans know the phrase "This will go on your permanent record."
So the common the knock on conspirarcy theories is that there would be too many people in the loop for it not to be leaked. But someone eventually has to leak it.
Let's hope someone else sees this and decides they're not being paid enough to build the freedom destroying machine.
What about the Kenyian Birth Certificate with the baby footprint of Obama?
Dewey Cheatum Howe submitted this link on a previous post
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news4/obama_kenyan_birth_certificate.htm
It's not Obama's footprint -- no cloven hooves.
I have to laugh at the conundrum DHS will find itself when the cloven hoof matches and they have to detain an illegal alien, their commander in chief and deport him to Tijuana as they don't like to spend too much money on overseas deportations. :)
I wonder how he will feel being on this side of the fence? :)
I vividly remember the first time I heard Barry's name. I was watching the election coverage in 2004 when they had a spot on the up and coming young star in the Chicago senate election. I believe Bob Shieffer did the spot. You could almost see the shivers run up his leg as he went on and on about Obama's promising future but gave no real reasons to back up the opinion. At the end of the piece I was left confused and wondering what I just witnessed. Now I know.
the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 10th amendment are void due to government efficiancy.
How much of a pathological liar is Obama? Consider this:
For 17 years, Obama's OFFICIAL literary bio listed Kenya as his birthplace. This is the bio that preceded every introduction of Obama at a speech, or other function where he was formally introduced. He read it, and he approved it before it was posted on his agent's website. This fact is VERY well documented.
His bio birthplace was changed the following April after he decided to run for president. That means he has publicly claimed Kenya as his birthplace far, far, longer than he has claimed the US.
Only one of two conclusions can be arrived at:
1) He was born in America, and lied about being born in Kenya as a matter of substantiating his claims for foreign student loans and the cachet of being a black African (pathological liar, still fighting the inner-shame of being half white so he makes himself African black), or
2) He was born in Kenya just as he claimed in his bio, and only changed it to America in order to be able to run for president (again you would have to be a pathological liar to do that shamelessly).
The MSM has turned a blind eye to the reality that if someone white told the same lie for either rationalization, that white would be laughed out of politics as a full-blown whack job.
But the Black Racist MSM is just as sickeningly pathological in its lying. Thus, they bury it, just as they are burying the question of "Where, and from whom, did the YouTube video excuse come from - and who inserted it into the Obama rationalization for Libya?"
Regardless, the birth lies are enough to judge Obama psychotically sociopathic and a pathological liar.
So, how much of a pathological liar is Obama . . .?
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It likely that at least one of Obama's claims of Kenyan birth in order to secure preferential treatment and financial assistance, was made under penalties of perjury.
Look the the kenya thing hit the memory hole.
Obama was born in America.
Maybe that will hit the memory hole.
Obama was born in Bankok.
The road to sanity is hard but in the end you will be sane.
This is one of the best statements I have read in a long time:
The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing. We need to turn the cameras on the police and on the government, not the other way around
People need to turn their cell phone cameras on these assholes 24/7. I'd love to see these bastards squirm under the daily spot light.
Re the cell phone camera ... a person may get shot to death trying to use it
Recall the scene in that astonishing movie trailer for 'God Bless America', the 2012 movie about a middle-aged guy and a teen-age girl who go around shooting a bunch of people for trivial reasons
At 1:24 in the preview, there is a scene in a movie theatre ... some kids are bothering them, the teenage girl shoots the other teens, and a guy with a cell phone camera says, 'I'm recording this !' ... and guess what happens to him one second later
Most astonishing film preview I have ever seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul4CZrnEFxU
And one month of non-stop "suspicious" emails sent by millions of people to send government computers into meltdown.
testing..... 123 123
Does this mean they have a photo log of everyone of my poos now?
Section 307.B of the Affordable Care Act authorizes such documentation to insure you receive the best possible medical assistance in future years.
Please feel free to add any points that may help, keep this up for a month and we win.
Step 1: Cancel any and all accounts such as facebook, gmail, yahoomail
Step 2: Cancel your "smart phone" and use standard cell phone only sparringly while keeping battery out when not in use
(you can buy a cheap track phone to travel with, no pictures or saved phone numbers, police routinely scan your phones without warrant if you are within 100 miles of a US border)
Step 3: Disconnect your TV from the internet so that they don't know what you are watching or have recorded on your DVR
Step 4: Cancel On Star type programs for your vehicle so that they cannot track your travels
Step 5: Start using cash rather than a debit or credit card and wear a hat and sunglasses while making purchases so that Skynet can't see your eyes and the shape of your head, (seems silly but rather important)
Step 6: Please pile on
Step 7:
To make sure the politicians understand your burning rage at their continuing graft, theft of public money, incompitence, lying and downright fucking criminality, punch the fuckers in the mouth at every available opportunity.
Prefrebly with baseball bats if possible.
The only way to avoid detection is to stay away from cameras and any electronic communication devices including RFID chips.
Use cash for purchases.
What a way to live in the land of liberty.....and the population is so used to all this "protection", they believe it is for their own good. This brainwashing is the the ultimate tragedy.
Throw your phones in the dumpster both cell and landline.
Television follows phones.
computer follows Television
move to outer mongolia, trade only in yak dung, find a weathered crone for a companion, live well,die happy
They don't call Satan the Prince of Lies for nothing.
More on shocking US interference :
Ever heard of FACTA ? Foreign account tax compliance act... The IRS has made every bank in every sovereign state of Europe sign this document, which obliges them to reveal to the IRS all accounts held abroad by US citizens in euro banks; something NO euro sovereign has been able to impose on said banks, for their own citizens, as the recent situation in Luxemburg and Austria have proven.
So a non euopean sovereign state obtains for its own tax purposes everything it wants from private foreign banks wheres NO european tax service of any sovereign euro state can do the same with Jersey, Luxemburg, Austria or Switzerland (except by bribing surreptitiously bank whistle blowers).
Why does the US IRS have just a big clout and why don't the Euro sovereigns tell the US IRS to fuck off rather than violate EUro sovereign laws?
Simple: if the Euro banks don't comply they are BARRED access to US territory; to WS and FED, which spells death for them, as that is where the global action is. Its the banks themselves that go hat in hand to the IRS and say : we want to play ball, and the Euro governments just cave in! They can't even stand up to their own banks!
Awesome two faced and inordinate power of US government systems; now being exposed to American people thru the IRS scandal of targeting right wing political bigshots.
AMerican government's inordinate abuse of power is everywhere; in banks, in NSA, in MIC/CIA and nobody can do anything about it except comply. Sad.
But its a two edged sword; the day the Euro governments find some balls they could act differently not only to IRS but also to Google and Facebook who are now part of the Oligarchy system.
For that to occur you need the euro governments to break away from the current financial vice of oligarchy.
Hope in hell that occurs, given the ongoing meltdown, except thru people's ire, not thru good governance.
Barring banks from doing business in the US and with the Fed is way too complicated. Just monitor all their emails and cell phone calls to their drug dealers and hookers and... compliance.
Too bad the RNC shit-canned Ron Paul for Rominy and previously John Mclame. C'mon, it's precisely these type of folks that could care less about USA citizens life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. After beholding the conservative republican belief for a lifetime, I say f**k the RNC.
The mainstream commentators who gave Ron Paul the hardest time during his presidential bids were "conservatives" Sean Insanity and Bill O'Reilly. Limbaugh mostly ignored or pooh-poohed him. (I think Ingraham farted out something, but I don't remember.) These are the guys who are always draping themselves in the American flag and going on and on about fidelity to the Constitution and the vision of the American Founders, yet they dumped on the one guy who actually practiced what they preached. That's when I knew for sure that our two parties were just two wings on the same bird of prey.
I know this is just wishful thinking but...
I think maybe, possibly there is a rare opportunity here to actually do something as individuals protecting our liberties. I know most likely we could never get enough of the sheeple on board but it might be fun to try...
you know how it is with computer systems, to much incoming data and they eventually become overwhelmed and crash.
with that in mind wouldn't it be great if this 4th of July we the people took a run at the NSA via tweets, texts, emails, phone calls, postings and any other form of communication they could possibly monitor. all day long, just keep sending stuff over and over packed full of key phrases that will get flagged, get attention. go to those websites you know they are monitoring, run those searches you know will get skynets gears grinding.
see how much this govt skynet can take before it melts down.
they want to know what we are saying, what we viewing, they want data?
we've got plenty, let's not be timid about sharing.
let's all remind Washington of those sound words of wisdom-
be careful what you wish for big bro, you just might get it.
This stuff is expensive...
Keep sending in those taxes.
Exactly. Let Dr. Ben print until it's worthless. It is a pain we're going to have to experience. In the meantime, they will get less of mine........including these scumbag companies.
It is our only tool at the moment: Starve the beast. Federal, State, Local and Corporations that participate.
Americans are "voluntarily" financing their own destruction.
Are we too stupid and ignorant to remain a free people?
Income taxes on your wages and compensation for services rendered are unconstitutional and illegal per SCOTUS.
Join the underground economy. Keep what you earn!
STARVE THE BEAST!!!
Honestly, if you have nothing to hide why shouldn't you submit to a weekly anal probe?
"Stop! We have reached the limits of what rectal probing can teach us." -- Kang, The Simpsons
OK everyone around the world make your emails, posts everything 10 times longer. Insert paragraphs of random numbers, and nosense text...give their computers something to do.
From RT:
And these are the good guys, so he's lucky he wasn't on the Dark Side.
Snowden hates us for our freedoms.
Obama is protecting us from our freedom.
Clearly our government hates us for our freedoms.
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
http://youtu.be/1PTiMKsTo-o
I'm shocked it took this long for a Patriot to get shocked to the point of drawing the line and saying "Thus far shall evil go and NO further.".
The enemy is in Washington. Time to deputize the population.
I've a few more shockers:
All alleged 'governments' are in fact private, for-profit corporations registered with the SEC, and traded on the NYSE.
US citizens are defined as 'enemy combatants' with respect to the UNITED STATES. (Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917, amended 1933)
Abe Lincoln declared a State of Emergency and martial law in 1862. There is no record that these declarations have been rescinded.
US citizens are bonded chattel of the UNITED STATES, (14th ammendment)
non human reptiles rule ala "THEY LIVE"..ok just a metaphor but you cannot be a loving honest human and compete with these heartless power thirsty sociopaths, THEY know it! they know we cannot do cold blooded murder, so THEY rule over us ...we are powerless against them in that game..I pray others can find a way to bring them down..THEY LIVE.. suck our wealth and blood they blind our children and turn them from humanity, from love. this cess pool so stinks that many of us will never try to look at them and their works.
I just love the "4D GPS Brainwave hologram of every American" aspect of this story. We all have government issued electronic zombie Frankenstein doppelgangers.
I would LOVE to meet mine.
Or, maybe not.
Ron Paul saw something and he said something.
Until a few million citizens kick things off by encircling/blocking the Capitol and the White House for starters, their will be no change, just talk/lies and continuation down the path to death and destruction
I've mentioned this several times on here...but, I think it needs to be about 5 million people...and it needs to last for days, start on a Sunday afternoon.
NO VIOLENCE though...
One American dissident whom Barack Obama fears, even three years after he died, is Joe Stack ... Obama and his handlers so afraid, that they wrote Joe Stack's final moments of life into Obama's speech, « a plane flying into a building in Texas »
And Joe Stack said, in his manifesto the US ordered pulled from the internet:
« Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. »
Joseph Andrew Stack III died in the hope of inspiring resistance and revolt to the US regime
Large photo of US government IRS building on fire after being hit by plane flown by Joe Stack:
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/files/2010/02/irs.jpg
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A software engineer badly harassed by the IRS and US government and system, on 18 February 2010, Stack first burned down his own house, then, leaving wife and child behind, crashed a small aeroplane into IRS offices
Obviously Joseph Andrew Stack III in his death, did leave quite an impression on the US leaders, if not on the US people
Maybe in the end, suicide bomber Joe Stack may be hailed as a martyr of the still-mostly-upcoming New American Revolution
Stack's dying manifesto, tho the US government ordered it censored, it is archived and available on the web from others
Article with photo of Joe Stack's burned-down Waco, Texas house
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0218/Who-is-Joe-Stack
'Better to kick someone out of a plane ' ..... or a helicopter during a training exercise
Duplicate
Triplicate - last time I post from a phone
First, the Congress removes the cockroaches from the White House. Then over the next 5 years, the cockroaches in the Congress are replaced with citizens who understand the role of Gubmint.
Unpossible as every campaign office is being bugged by the incumbents. All communications are being monitored and analyzed. Who writes the checks to the "low level" workers with access to the information?
UNLESS everyone starts telling everyone else to 'Support the other guy'...
Alas, though, in an effort to make even the most simplest solution political, I think there are still WAAAAAY to many democrats who think their guy is okay. ANd reps, too.
18 pages yesterday, and no-one asked the question I thought would be obvious, and I'm left puzzled that no-one in GS is running around making senious noisesTM about:
Does the NSA log Bloomberg / Reuters keystrokes? And who's to say that green light really means Kevin is at work, rather than Dizzy Sma?
"Peak Corruption" Bitchez... The fox no longer guards the hen house, he already ate all the chickens. The United States of Fuck the People.
I am not impressed with the late to the game feigned outrage from a former Congressman who seemed to accomplish absolutely nothing in support of his agenda. Dr. Paul is a limp dick when it comes to the hot pussy of actually getting shit done.
Where was he when the Stingray devices where deployed to snare phone conversations? Hell, to "Stingray" someone is even a verb in the FBI now it is so common.
Where was he when the Narus STA 6400 devices were colocated with the the overseas relay points (the infamous room 641A) ?
And even when all that became public, most of it YEARS AGO, where was Dr. Paul? WHERE WAS THE CONCERNED AND SHOCKED AND ANGERED DR. PAUL THEN????
Keep preaching, Dr. Paul. You obviously inspire folks but actually do very little yourself. Oh wait, there was that one bill in the 111th Congress to relay a piece of property. Bravo, my good sir, bravo! ONE BILL IN YOUR ENTIRE CAREER about conveying a piece of property...and zero influence on the out of control bureaucracy.
Meanwhile some folks are out here ACTUALLY GETTING SHIT DONE to support our agenda. Keep being outraged and writing about What America Should Do, because we know that neither you nor your son sure as hell are going to get anything done...
Ron Paul has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation over his 30 year history that would have limited the federal government's power in various ways. It's always the same story: he comes up with a good proposal and gets 10-30 backers, promising their support. Before it is out of committee, he is down to a dozen supporters, and by the time it comes to a vote -- if it does -- he is always the last man standing. He then gets ridiculed or ignored by everyone in D.C. and the MSM.
He constantly hammered away at the Federal Reserve for two decades when no one else would dare to even mention it. And then monkeys like you lie and fling shit and demand that he save you -- you who are too lazy to even look up what RP has been doing all this time to help you. You are a stupid barbarian unworthy of freedom; you are ignorant and lazy and proud of it.
Love the avatar. It isn't that Ron Paul has bad ideas. It's that he is a utter and cataclysmic failure at putting ideas into action. There are a lot of great ideas by great people every day. But actions are what powers the world. Your defense is at best an acknowledgement of his abject failure and an agreement that he hasn't accomplished much of anything. Love the exchange of ideas, but there aren't any lies in the post above. RP has been inspiring people, yourself included, and I gave him due credit and will always give him credit for that. I know I can safely say that Ron Paul hasn't "helped" me one iota. Rand's record is still a work in progress, but I will guess a future fate same as his dad. Lots of great ideas, but nothing, nada, zip in the way of translating that to needed action.
Again, I ask you folks, HOW IN THE FUCK CAN A CONgress WITH A PUBLIC APPROVAL RATING OF 7-9% KEEP GETTING RE-ELECTED? This whole fuckin' country and its sheeple are fucking MORONS!! btw, you'll never guess what movie I am watching right this minute. His name is Robert Paulson.
Glenn Greenwald interviews Edward Snowden, a very smart guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5yB3n9fu-rM#!
A fantastic interview. A few Snowden quotes from it:
Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life.
The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. People will see in the media all of these disclosures, they'll know the lengths that government is going to to grant themselves powers, unilaterally, to create greater control over American society and global society. But they won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things, to force their representatives to actually take a stand in their interests. And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. Until eventually there will be a time where policies will change because the only thing that restricts the activities of the surveillance state are policy. They'll say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny.
With expenditures of between $600 and $800 billion EACH for TSA, NSA and Homeland Security over the last 10 years you would think that they would have the terrorist completely gutted.
Instead that money ,that exceeds $ 2 trillion, has done nothing but increase the number of people on the federal dole. We now have between 5-10 million people employed to spy on 330 million.
If the tax paying fools that this bill falls on believe that the talking heads that are defending this action, then they deserve what comes next.
Senator Lindsey Graham declared that he was “glad” the government was collecting Verizon phone records—including his own—because the government needs to know what the enemy is up to.
Apparently our enemy is up to abridging all our liberties provided by the constitution.
Nothing will change for the better until the mainstream media does a good job of holding the politicians to account
Very funny
Mainstream media owned by the same USA wealthy families who own the politicians, and who bribe the US judges via their favoured law firms, and who own the companies that count the votes in the 'elections'
Might as well ask the bribed politicians and bribed judges to hold the main stream media to account
If the main stream media is hyping something it is time to be suspicious of whatever they are hyping
Mr Paul wrong concept.
If government served the people the surveillance is never an issue. The thing is government have shown themselves to not serve the people anymore that is what has changed. All the legislation today removes no more rights because all those rights were lost a long time ago.
Now we pretend we have rights, we have none, then things like the patriot act, over here asbos are just the legislating of what has already been taken.
Governments failed to recognize those rights they took away so long ago if a person is not in receipt of them they will never be returned.
[edit] To qualify the last point goes like this I like many others cannot offer my goverment security because it does not give me security.
If Government served the people, they wouldn't violate the 4th amendment by surveiling its populace like a paranoid delusional. It would sit there and accept every hit it took even it meant its people revolting because it's what the people want; and we want to be left the fuck alone.
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Hey all you dickheads who voted for Romney.. where is he on this issue? eh? where's his big speech? oh what's that? *crickets*.. yeah, FUCK YOU.. how do you like Ron Paul now? looking like a straight shooter, right? wished you wrote his name down now, don't ya.. yeah, well.. too late you ass clowns. Maybe next time you will stop running to your fucking woobies and grow a pair of balls.
Chickens coming home to roost for Obammy, son of the bush tradition in Asia :
http://www.businessinsider.com/karzai-american-foreign-policy-caused-911...
The video on Hillary telling the truth to COngress in 2009 is awesome....
When the Dems still had memory; before Dementia set in.