"Will Obama See Out His Full Term?"

Tyler Durden's picture

It seems the question on many people's minds, as scandal after scandal crashes on the shores of Obama's White House is best summed up by The Telegraph's Damian Thompson. Yet another non-US paper asks, will Obama last the duration of his second term in a surveillance context where what has been revealed is said to be worse than Watergate.


Via The Telegraph,

"They could pay off the Triads," says Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower interviewed by the Guardian in his Hong Kong hideout. Meaning: the CIA could use a proxy to kill him for revealing that Barack Obama has presided over an unimaginable – to the ordinary citizen – expansion of the Federal government's powers of surveillance over anyone.

Libertarians and conspiracy theorists of both Left and Right will never forget this moment. Already we have Glenn Beck hailing Snowden on Twitter:

Courage finally. Real. Steady. Thoughtful. Transparent. Willing to accept the consequences. Inspire w/Malice toward none.#edwardsnowden

Snowden will be a Right-wing hero as well as a Left-libertarian one. Why? First, he thought carefully about what he should release, avoiding (he says) material that would harm innocent individuals. Second, he's formidably articulate. Quotes like the following are pure gold for opponents of Obama who've been accusing the President of allowing the Bush-era "surveillance state" to extend its tentacles even further:

NSA is focussed on getting intelligence wherever it can by any means possible... Increasingly we see that it's happening domestically. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone, it ingests them by default, it collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyses them and it measures them and its stores them for periods of time ... While they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government or someone they suspect of terrorism, they're collecting your communications to do so. Any analyst at any time can target anyone

I do not see how Obama can talk his way out of this one. Snowden is not Bradley Manning: he's not a disturbed disco bunny but a highly articulate network security specialist who has left behind a $200,000 salary and girlfriend in Hawaii for a life on the run. He's not a sleazy opportunist like Julian Assange, either. As he says: "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

It will be very difficult for the Obama administration to portray Snowden as a traitor. For a start, I don't think US public opinion will allow it. Any explanations it offers will be drowned out by American citizens demanding to know:

"So how much do you know about me and my family? How can I find out? How long have you been collecting this stuff? What are you going to do with it?"

Suddenly the worse-than-Watergate rhetoric doesn't seem overblown. And I do wonder: can a president who's presided over, and possibly encouraged, Chinese-style surveillance of The Land of the Free honestly expect to serve out his full term?

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Jim in MN's picture

Only if he's a complete fucking asshole and we are all pussies.


So, pretty good odds for him.

ACP's picture

"Disco bunny."

Now that's funny.

Supernova Born's picture

Finished, his term and we are.


James_Cole's picture

Snowden is not Bradley Manning: he's not a disturbed disco bunny

That's because they haven't had a chance to engage the smear campaign yet, give them time to catch up. 

Skateboarder's picture

Choombamasaurus is here to stay. People don't care, and they can't be arsed to care while supply chains are intact. Wait till the first major supply chain break. Then you'll see some reaction.

Freddie's picture

Lame Cherry's blog thinks O and Biden are toast.  Weird blog but I have seen hime nail stuff a week before it comes out.

His or her take is that Snowden is a CIA designed to take out O and Biden.  Lame Cherry said after the 2012 election theft that Military Intel went deep to get the goods on you know who.  


Operation Snow Job: Edward Snowden

Edward Snowden is part of the Coup de Barack which this blog exclusively ran exposing the fraud of Rush Limbaugh in misdirection. Snowden is managed by Control, and the reason Snowden showed up in Hong Kong is a deal was worked out in the hopes that the PLA will take him into custody by President 11, and thereby a drip by drip show trial will ensue tying this all to Obama and Biden in the ruination of all they are as criminals.

It is assessed the Chicom hackers will with the information gathered be able to deconstruct the network of spying  which is being employed against Americans as well as the Chicoms. This is the using your enemy to expose B. Hussein and to wipe out the Terminator surveillance which is tracking and blackmailing people like Michele Bachmann etc...

More is to come in this, as this coup is still building and will not end with a President Biden. Things will be revealed that Obama's adopted mum, Stan Ann would rise from the grave and denounce him. This will be thorough as this has now gone past the point of no return. Resources have been compromised and exposed. This will reach end game in only one victor.

I hope Lame Cherry is correct.

ZerOhead's picture



Interesting take... we'll have to wait and see how this all pans out.


Personally the only thing that causes my whiskers to twitch is that he's just a tad too articulate for someone without a reasonably formal education... but I'm sure there will be lot's of digging into his history coming up shortly.


The worst thing that could now happen for the NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland and friends is if a somehow a special fund was started up for him... $100 million in donations would not be out of the question with contributions from both the left and the right (can you spell bipartisanship?) and then the CRACKS IN THE SECURITY STATE INTELLEGENCE SYSTEM would quickly become gaping fissures in mere weeks... Can you say "Fire in the hole!" ?


I personally think they have to kill him fast or send his family and soon to be very ex-girlfriend to Gitmo as hostag...er ... enhanced interogation guests... cuz if doing the right thing suddenly becomes Mega profitable it's over for TPTB...

Just sayin'...

Rahm's picture

Another scandal yet to come, directed solely at O...

Freddie's picture

Lame Cherry's stuff is weird but he points out that Hong Kong was British and that British intelligence might be involved.  Edward Snowden picked about the best place he could find.  He would have to be in Iceland to get diplomatic immunity and it would be no slam dunk.

ZerOhead's picture

Iceland unfortunately is once again currently a no-go country.

The right wing fucktards who gave away (yes gave away as in FREE) the Icelandic banks (and fisheries BTW...) to their fucknut buddies who blew big chunks of the European financial system and their own country to smitherens... recently got elected back into power because the completely retarded leftists who won the previous election wanted to take Iceland INTO THE EURO.

The citizens were having none of that and went "lesser of two evils" at the polls. My condolences to all Icelanders... sucks to be you....


Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Shows you how quickly those in power can be co-opted or compromised.

0z's picture

Yea, Hugh Hendry was right to want to short Obama when he first got elected!

Gosh he woulda made a killing!

Freddie's picture

Good thing that he avoided Iceland. Sad but teh leftist wanting to go to the euro are idiots.

I don't watch TV or Hollywood's shit but I kind of like Judge Napolitano.  Here he is saying that Edward Snowden is a hero.   He talks about the 4th Amendment.  

If Snowden goes to trial - he should tell them he did what they AH's at every airport now say on the PA ad naseum - their f**king police state mantra.  "If you see something, say something."  Well Snowden saw something and he said something.


bank guy in Brussels's picture

Refugee from the USA and anti-Zionist Jew Bobby Fischer, took refuge in Iceland after getting jailed in Japan by the government there (Japan's Koizumi was trying to please the US by jailing Fischer)

And shortly afterwards turned up dead in Iceland, some say murdered, to shut him up. Iceland is in NATO and CIA agents come and go ... CIA and Mossad have sprays to induce quick-acting diseases.


NSA 'whistleblower' Edward Snowden is connected directly to the Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs and all the oligarch families who own the American regime

Millionaire journalist Mika Brzezinski pumping Snowden, is the daughter of master CIA warmonger Zbigniew 'Great Game - Grand Chessboard' Brzezinski, Obama friend and advisor, central US Shadow Government figure with Rockefellers, Henry Kissinger, etc

Mika's brother Ian Brzezinski has been working with Snowden at the CIA-NSA-tied company Booz Allen too

UK Guardian is CIA-tied corrupt like the New York Times, same modus ... fake lefty-'progressive' on surface, but the Guardian and NYT both take bribes to publish fake 'news' for the CIA.

Other holes in Snowden's story - improbable CV, quick rise from security guard to IT expert for CIA-NSA in Switzerland, shows a diplomatic passport tho usually confiscated after diplomat job ends ... Even if Snowden personally is half-sincere, media hype with Brezinzskis means this is CIA Operation Mockingbird (media control)

As David Harrison of Trade With Dave says: « What are the odds that the lady doing the interviewing about the guy who spilled his guts on the NSA are brother, sister and employee, not to mention children (a super-majority at least) of the one man who may have the President of the United State’s ear more than any other single person?  Purely a coincidence… nothing to see here folks… move along.  You can forget the Trilateral Commission ... »

So really is 'Operation Snow Job' in one way or another ... With key Brzezinskis involved Project Snowden is definitely a CIA operation

medium giraffe's picture

I've been waiting for someone to start turning this story over and finding a few 'coincidences' like this.  Too many jumped on this story too quickly and there was far too much grandstanding and soapboxing from every corner, it just seems suspect to a career cynic.  Where there's a Brezinski, there's plotting afoot.  Zbigniew's brilliant but totally dispassionate view on the maintenance of power makes Machiavelli look like a kindergarten teacher.

Unfortunately now the public has revealed which buttons can be pushed to get a reaction over issues like this.  So, hot swap the Prez, cozy up to the public with tales of 'oversight' and carry on BAU.  Ron Paul or similar might make a good useful idiot for this sort of job.

Covert electronic surveillance is a BILLION dollar industry, wikileaks will confirm this for you, and it's not going to 'just disappear' because of a week or so of off colour public opinion and a few rolling puppet heads. 

Greyhat's picture

"Too many jumped on this story too quickly and there was far too much grandstanding and soapboxing from every corner, it just seems suspect to a career cynic.  Where there's a Brezinski, there's plotting afoot."

In the worst case Obama could be recycled to a 'Real Kennedy'(tm), but this time without the martyrs myth, the system learns from it's mistakes.


Steve in Greensboro's picture

Mika Brezinski is too stupid to tie her own shoes, let alone be involved in a CIA covert operation.  Think about it.  If you were going to conduct a conspiracy, would you want an airhead like that on your team?  Sorry, but Mika is a useful idiot for the Progressives, not a member of the Inner Party.

The Heart's picture

"He would have to be in Iceland to get diplomatic immunity and it would be no slam dunk."

Howdy hey Freddie.

Edward is prolly already in Iceland enjoying political asylum right now.

hmmmstrange's picture

The problem with him being disposed of is that it benefits Obama the least. If he does disappear, it certainly wont be by the hands of Obama. Anyone wanting to oust Obama just has to get rid of Snowden and all the fingers will be pointing in the same direction.

Urban Redneck's picture

That is the fundamental problem of "insurance" when exiting the game, in buying assurance that one party has less motivation to do you harm, you inevitably pay with another party having more motivation to do you harm.

It's even more of a circle-jerk than financial risk transference in the banking industry.


New World Chaos's picture

Snowden could have held up a poster with his BitCoin address during his interview, then hired a private army. Would require clever killswitches and such to make sure he doesn't become an even bigger target just for his BitCoins.

Umh's picture

There are really very few jobs where a bright person with a good high school education cannot succeed if he can get hired to begin with.

Yes; I went to college. It helped like ticket punching tends to do.

lakecity55's picture

Freddie, I have puzzled over that blog a while.

So many of the 'predictions' have been uncanny, and spot on.

Hope the Cherry is right.

tango's picture


Much as I disdain Obama I hope that other parts of the government are not trying a coup by default.   (I would put zero faith in web sites with a partisan agenda and a conspiratorial world view.   Everything is part of some elaborate plot to them.)   If parts of our government are indeed trying for a coup then we are cooked and no different than all those third-world countries that constantly changed due to a new power boy on the block.    What will save Obama is overreach and backlash.  Instead of simply letting it play out his opponents will introduce all sorts of unrelated items (birth certificate, voting scandals, something about the First Lady, old friends, etc) and thus dilute the power of the present charges.  It's almost inevitable. 

Andre's picture

Be careful what you ask for. If the Praetorian Guard want him gone, WHY? And what comes after?

Also question: Was the DHS expanded as an insurance policy for O?

Lost Word's picture

About the only Constitutional way that Obama and Biden could be removed from office at the same time would be for the US Supreme Court to declare the 2012 Obama election Unconstitutional because Obama is Not a Natural Born Citizen and thus Not eligible to be elected President, and therefore Romney as elected President by default.

SafelyGraze's picture

when bho leaves office and biden takes the reins, which rockefeller will serve as vp?


BLOTTO's picture

Numerology says, #44 is no good. And 'they' love numbers.

Ive (and others) been saying for awhile i think something significant happens to him. Time will tell.


William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia on April 4, 1841.
Zachary Taylor died of a gastrointestinal illness on July 9, 1850.
Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.
James Garfield was assassinated in 1881.
William McKinley was assassinated in 1901.
Warren G. Harding died of a heart attack on August 2, 1923.
Franklin D. Roosevelt died of a cerebral hemorrhage on April 12, 1945.
John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.

In addition to the 8 who died in office Richard Nixon resigned his presidency on August 9, 1974, facing likely impeachment following the Watergate Scandal. (figuratively 'died in office')


Not to mention those of you who follow TA and charts and graphs...would probably say, 'we are over due.'


GAAP is crap's picture

Numerology can be fun as one can make anything into anything, it seems to me.  So here is one:  44 is not good, as everything reduces to one number: 44 = 4+4 = 8.  but #45, well that is more fun.  666 = 6+6+6 = 18 = 1+8 = 9.  45 = 4 + 5 = 9.  so 45 = 666




giggler123's picture

42 (forty-two) is the natural number immediately following 41 and directly preceding 43 and is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

GeezerGeek's picture

It's been quite a while since I watched the original BBC series regarding such, but if I recall correctly the meaning of '42' was determined to be "what do you get when you multiply six times ... nine", thereby confirming the suspicion that there has always been something a bit 'off' about the universe. I'd have to find episode six and rewatch the last few minutes, but that's the way I remember it.

Sweet Chicken's picture

The only thing I can say with certainty is that if Obama is assasinated there will be riots and the race war will begin in ernest. This may or may not be what DHS is preparing for but who can tell anymore in this fucked up world we have created. 

DeadFred's picture

"Joe Biden 2013!" You had to go and ruin a perfectly good post

GeezerGeek's picture

Sounds like the ideal bumper sticker.

GoldForCash's picture

No Biden is tied into it too...leaving some guy named John B.

francis_sawyer's picture

The blubbering ooompa loompa party... Oh joy!

Offthebeach's picture



FreedomGuy's picture

I think Obama does not survive. If the Republicans or even public think this through, Obama as the chief exec is responsible or incompetent. He either knew and allowed it or he is utterly, completely, insufferably clueless as virtually every federal agency seems to run without supervision or competence, i.e., Benghazi-State Dept., IRS-Treasury, Fast and Furious-Justice, and now Snowden. In my whole life I have not seen this many scandals at once or even close. If Obama does not at least resign, much less face impeachment then there is no such thing as executive incompetence.


OS2010's picture

I think the latter.  Said over four years ago that O is the most incompetent WH resident ever, and was royally (pun intended) slammed for it.  He may be able to expound on second-hand ideas, but he's not a leader and certainly not a thinker.

FreedomGuy's picture

OS2010, Do you not think the other world leaders realize he is an empty suit? Most (not all) world leaders know he's an incompetent collection of lefty cliche's. I think they know they can play or ignore him and be confident he will not get competent advice from his incompetent staff. His only threat is actually his weakness...his incompetence. You cannot be sure what decision he will make. During the cold war we at least knew the Soviets were coldly rational. It was a game of two chessmasters. Not now.

I would also put Hillary and Kerry in that group. They only impress themselves.

francis_sawyer's picture

Lerch was impressed with himself before he wasn't...


& if Hilary wants to do what was mentioned above, and have Snowded 'dead-ed' [which would point all fingers at the Teleprompter], arguably, she's connected enough to do it...

The Clinton Body Count


duo's picture

I don't think Obama can even play checkers.

Hedge Fund of One's picture

Anything can happen, but I think that Obama's supporters rally to his defense, paint this as part of the vast right-wing conspiracy against progressivism, count on the populace to stay in its stupor and not to care enough about it to do anything. Especially with so many "distinguished" senators of both parties supporting the program. As mentioned in another article on zerohedge, the polls show most Americans willing to give up their privacy for a (false) sense of safety.

tango's picture

Exactly.  It's as Ron Paul said.   Cultural inertia is too powerful to stop.  We've convinced ourselves that eternal borrowing is the key to prosperity, the media long ago adopted the leftists agenda of redistribuion, group rights and the politicalization of all human action and most citizens are STILL unaware of the scandals.   Worse, a good 30% would support the prez if he sacrificed his daughters in the White House garden.  A former consultant friend admitted he'd "heard" something about some scandal but since he didn't read the papers or watch the news he got only the headlines and assumed Obama was "simply doing his thing". 

Bangin7GramRocks's picture

No fan of Obama but do you people actually think this operation started in early 2009? If you do, then you are politically blinded. Obama continued an illegal operation started by USA Inc. under the leadership of junior executive and project manager George Bush in 2002 or 2003.

Angry White Dude's picture

Agreed. Nothing changes until the supply chains are broken, and only then if the gov is unable to impose open martial law quickly enough to keep the sheep in line.

ChanceIs's picture

No.  Snowden was the bombadier sliced by shrapnel who died in Yousarian's (sp?) arms in Joseph Heller's Catch 22.  After that Yousarian started sitting naked in trees.

I feel like I am holding the dying America in my arms, and wanting to sit naked in trees.  Great form of protest.  The parallels are striking.  Only if you are stoooopid then you get to go on welfare, but if you go on welfare it means that you are smart and recognize the futility of working for the banksters and then don't qualify for welfare.

I do hope they don't serve Snowden some polonium.