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"Will Obama See Out His Full Term?"

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It seems the question on many people's minds, as scandal after scandal crashes on the shores of Obama's White House is best summed up by The Telegraph's Damian Thompson. Yet another non-US paper asks, will Obama last the duration of his second term in a surveillance context where what has been revealed is said to be worse than Watergate.

 

Via The Telegraph,

"They could pay off the Triads," says Edward Snowden, the NSA whistleblower interviewed by the Guardian in his Hong Kong hideout. Meaning: the CIA could use a proxy to kill him for revealing that Barack Obama has presided over an unimaginable – to the ordinary citizen – expansion of the Federal government's powers of surveillance over anyone.

Libertarians and conspiracy theorists of both Left and Right will never forget this moment. Already we have Glenn Beck hailing Snowden on Twitter:

Courage finally. Real. Steady. Thoughtful. Transparent. Willing to accept the consequences. Inspire w/Malice toward none.#edwardsnowden

Snowden will be a Right-wing hero as well as a Left-libertarian one. Why? First, he thought carefully about what he should release, avoiding (he says) material that would harm innocent individuals. Second, he's formidably articulate. Quotes like the following are pure gold for opponents of Obama who've been accusing the President of allowing the Bush-era "surveillance state" to extend its tentacles even further:

NSA is focussed on getting intelligence wherever it can by any means possible... Increasingly we see that it's happening domestically. The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone, it ingests them by default, it collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyses them and it measures them and its stores them for periods of time ... While they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government or someone they suspect of terrorism, they're collecting your communications to do so. Any analyst at any time can target anyone

I do not see how Obama can talk his way out of this one. Snowden is not Bradley Manning: he's not a disturbed disco bunny but a highly articulate network security specialist who has left behind a $200,000 salary and girlfriend in Hawaii for a life on the run. He's not a sleazy opportunist like Julian Assange, either. As he says: "I'm willing to sacrifice all of that because I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."

It will be very difficult for the Obama administration to portray Snowden as a traitor. For a start, I don't think US public opinion will allow it. Any explanations it offers will be drowned out by American citizens demanding to know:

"So how much do you know about me and my family? How can I find out? How long have you been collecting this stuff? What are you going to do with it?"

Suddenly the worse-than-Watergate rhetoric doesn't seem overblown. And I do wonder: can a president who's presided over, and possibly encouraged, Chinese-style surveillance of The Land of the Free honestly expect to serve out his full term?

 


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Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:33 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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Only if he's a complete fucking asshole and we are all pussies.

 

So, pretty good odds for him.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment ACP
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"Disco bunny."

Now that's funny.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Finished, his term and we are.

-Yoda

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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Snowden is not Bradley Manning: he's not a disturbed disco bunny

That's because they haven't had a chance to engage the smear campaign yet, give them time to catch up. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:55 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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No
Yes

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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Choombamasaurus is here to stay. People don't care, and they can't be arsed to care while supply chains are intact. Wait till the first major supply chain break. Then you'll see some reaction.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:03 | Link to Comment flacon
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Joe Biden 2013! 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Lame Cherry's blog thinks O and Biden are toast.  Weird blog but I have seen hime nail stuff a week before it comes out.

His or her take is that Snowden is a CIA designed to take out O and Biden.  Lame Cherry said after the 2012 election theft that Military Intel went deep to get the goods on you know who.  

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/

Operation Snow Job: Edward Snowden

Edward Snowden is part of the Coup de Barack which this blog exclusively ran exposing the fraud of Rush Limbaugh in misdirection. Snowden is managed by Control, and the reason Snowden showed up in Hong Kong is a deal was worked out in the hopes that the PLA will take him into custody by President 11, and thereby a drip by drip show trial will ensue tying this all to Obama and Biden in the ruination of all they are as criminals.

It is assessed the Chicom hackers will with the information gathered be able to deconstruct the network of spying  which is being employed against Americans as well as the Chicoms. This is the using your enemy to expose B. Hussein and to wipe out the Terminator surveillance which is tracking and blackmailing people like Michele Bachmann etc...

More is to come in this, as this coup is still building and will not end with a President Biden. Things will be revealed that Obama's adopted mum, Stan Ann would rise from the grave and denounce him. This will be thorough as this has now gone past the point of no return. Resources have been compromised and exposed. This will reach end game in only one victor.

I hope Lame Cherry is correct.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Interesting take... we'll have to wait and see how this all pans out.

 

Personally the only thing that causes my whiskers to twitch is that he's just a tad too articulate for someone without a reasonably formal education... but I'm sure there will be lot's of digging into his history coming up shortly.

 

The worst thing that could now happen for the NSA, CIA, FBI, Homeland and friends is if a somehow a special fund was started up for him... $100 million in donations would not be out of the question with contributions from both the left and the right (can you spell bipartisanship?) and then the CRACKS IN THE SECURITY STATE INTELLEGENCE SYSTEM would quickly become gaping fissures in mere weeks... Can you say "Fire in the hole!" ?

 

I personally think they have to kill him fast or send his family and soon to be very ex-girlfriend to Gitmo as hostag...er ... enhanced interogation guests... cuz if doing the right thing suddenly becomes Mega profitable it's over for TPTB...

Just sayin'...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Rahm
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Another scandal yet to come, directed solely at O...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Lame Cherry's stuff is weird but he points out that Hong Kong was British and that British intelligence might be involved.  Edward Snowden picked about the best place he could find.  He would have to be in Iceland to get diplomatic immunity and it would be no slam dunk.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Iceland unfortunately is once again currently a no-go country.

The right wing fucktards who gave away (yes gave away as in FREE) the Icelandic banks (and fisheries BTW...) to their fucknut buddies who blew big chunks of the European financial system and their own country to smitherens... recently got elected back into power because the completely retarded leftists who won the previous election wanted to take Iceland INTO THE EURO.

The citizens were having none of that and went "lesser of two evils" at the polls. My condolences to all Icelanders... sucks to be you....

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21577107-voters-return-parties-led-...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Shows you how quickly those in power can be co-opted or compromised.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment 0z
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Yea, Hugh Hendry was right to want to short Obama when he first got elected!

Gosh he woulda made a killing!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Good thing that he avoided Iceland. Sad but teh leftist wanting to go to the euro are idiots.

I don't watch TV or Hollywood's shit but I kind of like Judge Napolitano.  Here he is saying that Edward Snowden is a hero.   He talks about the 4th Amendment.  

If Snowden goes to trial - he should tell them he did what they AH's at every airport now say on the PA ad naseum - their f**king police state mantra.  "If you see something, say something."  Well Snowden saw something and he said something.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/judge-napolitano-to-shep-smith-nsa-leaker-an-american-hero-who-exposed-extraordinary-violations/#disqus_thread

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:42 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Refugee from the USA and anti-Zionist Jew Bobby Fischer, took refuge in Iceland after getting jailed in Japan by the government there (Japan's Koizumi was trying to please the US by jailing Fischer)

And shortly afterwards turned up dead in Iceland, some say murdered, to shut him up. Iceland is in NATO and CIA agents come and go ... CIA and Mossad have sprays to induce quick-acting diseases.

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NSA 'whistleblower' Edward Snowden is connected directly to the Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs and all the oligarch families who own the American regime

Millionaire journalist Mika Brzezinski pumping Snowden, is the daughter of master CIA warmonger Zbigniew 'Great Game - Grand Chessboard' Brzezinski, Obama friend and advisor, central US Shadow Government figure with Rockefellers, Henry Kissinger, etc

Mika's brother Ian Brzezinski has been working with Snowden at the CIA-NSA-tied company Booz Allen too

UK Guardian is CIA-tied corrupt like the New York Times, same modus ... fake lefty-'progressive' on surface, but the Guardian and NYT both take bribes to publish fake 'news' for the CIA.

Other holes in Snowden's story - improbable CV, quick rise from security guard to IT expert for CIA-NSA in Switzerland, shows a diplomatic passport tho usually confiscated after diplomat job ends ... Even if Snowden personally is half-sincere, media hype with Brezinzskis means this is CIA Operation Mockingbird (media control)

As David Harrison of Trade With Dave says: « What are the odds that the lady doing the interviewing about the guy who spilled his guts on the NSA are brother, sister and employee, not to mention children (a super-majority at least) of the one man who may have the President of the United State’s ear more than any other single person?  Purely a coincidence… nothing to see here folks… move along.  You can forget the Trilateral Commission ... »
http://tradewithdave.com/?p=16948

So really is 'Operation Snow Job' in one way or another ... With key Brzezinskis involved Project Snowden is definitely a CIA operation

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:18 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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I've been waiting for someone to start turning this story over and finding a few 'coincidences' like this.  Too many jumped on this story too quickly and there was far too much grandstanding and soapboxing from every corner, it just seems suspect to a career cynic.  Where there's a Brezinski, there's plotting afoot.  Zbigniew's brilliant but totally dispassionate view on the maintenance of power makes Machiavelli look like a kindergarten teacher.

Unfortunately now the public has revealed which buttons can be pushed to get a reaction over issues like this.  So, hot swap the Prez, cozy up to the public with tales of 'oversight' and carry on BAU.  Ron Paul or similar might make a good useful idiot for this sort of job.

Covert electronic surveillance is a BILLION dollar industry, wikileaks will confirm this for you, and it's not going to 'just disappear' because of a week or so of off colour public opinion and a few rolling puppet heads. 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Greyhat
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"Too many jumped on this story too quickly and there was far too much grandstanding and soapboxing from every corner, it just seems suspect to a career cynic.  Where there's a Brezinski, there's plotting afoot."

In the worst case Obama could be recycled to a 'Real Kennedy'(tm), but this time without the martyrs myth, the system learns from it's mistakes.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 10:44 | Link to Comment Steve in Greensboro
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Mika Brezinski is too stupid to tie her own shoes, let alone be involved in a CIA covert operation.  Think about it.  If you were going to conduct a conspiracy, would you want an airhead like that on your team?  Sorry, but Mika is a useful idiot for the Progressives, not a member of the Inner Party.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:49 | Link to Comment The Heart
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"He would have to be in Iceland to get diplomatic immunity and it would be no slam dunk."

Howdy hey Freddie.

Edward is prolly already in Iceland enjoying political asylum right now.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:13 | Link to Comment hmmmstrange
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The problem with him being disposed of is that it benefits Obama the least. If he does disappear, it certainly wont be by the hands of Obama. Anyone wanting to oust Obama just has to get rid of Snowden and all the fingers will be pointing in the same direction.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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That is the fundamental problem of "insurance" when exiting the game, in buying assurance that one party has less motivation to do you harm, you inevitably pay with another party having more motivation to do you harm.

It's even more of a circle-jerk than financial risk transference in the banking industry.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 03:36 | Link to Comment New World Chaos
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Snowden could have held up a poster with his BitCoin address during his interview, then hired a private army. Would require clever killswitches and such to make sure he doesn't become an even bigger target just for his BitCoins.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Umh
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There are really very few jobs where a bright person with a good high school education cannot succeed if he can get hired to begin with.

Yes; I went to college. It helped like ticket punching tends to do.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 03:41 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Freddie, I have puzzled over that blog a while.

So many of the 'predictions' have been uncanny, and spot on.

Hope the Cherry is right.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:03 | Link to Comment tango
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Freddie,

Much as I disdain Obama I hope that other parts of the government are not trying a coup by default.   (I would put zero faith in web sites with a partisan agenda and a conspiratorial world view.   Everything is part of some elaborate plot to them.)   If parts of our government are indeed trying for a coup then we are cooked and no different than all those third-world countries that constantly changed due to a new power boy on the block.    What will save Obama is overreach and backlash.  Instead of simply letting it play out his opponents will introduce all sorts of unrelated items (birth certificate, voting scandals, something about the First Lady, old friends, etc) and thus dilute the power of the present charges.  It's almost inevitable. 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment Andre
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Be careful what you ask for. If the Praetorian Guard want him gone, WHY? And what comes after?

Also question: Was the DHS expanded as an insurance policy for O?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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About the only Constitutional way that Obama and Biden could be removed from office at the same time would be for the US Supreme Court to declare the 2012 Obama election Unconstitutional because Obama is Not a Natural Born Citizen and thus Not eligible to be elected President, and therefore Romney as elected President by default.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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when bho leaves office and biden takes the reins, which rockefeller will serve as vp?

 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:44 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Numerology says, #44 is no good. And 'they' love numbers.

Ive (and others) been saying for awhile i think something significant happens to him. Time will tell.

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William Henry Harrison died of pneumonia on April 4, 1841.
Zachary Taylor died of a gastrointestinal illness on July 9, 1850.
Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in 1865.
James Garfield was assassinated in 1881.
William McKinley was assassinated in 1901.
Warren G. Harding died of a heart attack on August 2, 1923.
Franklin D. Roosevelt died of a cerebral hemorrhage on April 12, 1945.
John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963.

In addition to the 8 who died in office Richard Nixon resigned his presidency on August 9, 1974, facing likely impeachment following the Watergate Scandal. (figuratively 'died in office')

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Not to mention those of you who follow TA and charts and graphs...would probably say, 'we are over due.'

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:52 | Link to Comment GAAP is crap
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Numerology can be fun as one can make anything into anything, it seems to me.  So here is one:  44 is not good, as everything reduces to one number: 44 = 4+4 = 8.  but #45, well that is more fun.  666 = 6+6+6 = 18 = 1+8 = 9.  45 = 4 + 5 = 9.  so 45 = 666

 

 

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:38 | Link to Comment giggler123
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42 (forty-two) is the natural number immediately following 41 and directly preceding 43 and is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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It's been quite a while since I watched the original BBC series regarding such, but if I recall correctly the meaning of '42' was determined to be "what do you get when you multiply six times ... nine", thereby confirming the suspicion that there has always been something a bit 'off' about the universe. I'd have to find episode six and rewatch the last few minutes, but that's the way I remember it.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Sweet Chicken
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The only thing I can say with certainty is that if Obama is assasinated there will be riots and the race war will begin in ernest. This may or may not be what DHS is preparing for but who can tell anymore in this fucked up world we have created. 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:35 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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"Joe Biden 2013!" You had to go and ruin a perfectly good post

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:51 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Sounds like the ideal bumper sticker.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment GoldForCash
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No Biden is tied into it too...leaving some guy named John B.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 05:44 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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The blubbering ooompa loompa party... Oh joy!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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2013

"KEEP THE GREEN SHOOTS GROWING!". BIDEN FOR PRESIDENT!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:03 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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I think Obama does not survive. If the Republicans or even public think this through, Obama as the chief exec is responsible or incompetent. He either knew and allowed it or he is utterly, completely, insufferably clueless as virtually every federal agency seems to run without supervision or competence, i.e., Benghazi-State Dept., IRS-Treasury, Fast and Furious-Justice, and now Snowden. In my whole life I have not seen this many scandals at once or even close. If Obama does not at least resign, much less face impeachment then there is no such thing as executive incompetence.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:27 | Link to Comment OS2010
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I think the latter.  Said over four years ago that O is the most incompetent WH resident ever, and was royally (pun intended) slammed for it.  He may be able to expound on second-hand ideas, but he's not a leader and certainly not a thinker.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:42 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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OS2010, Do you not think the other world leaders realize he is an empty suit? Most (not all) world leaders know he's an incompetent collection of lefty cliche's. I think they know they can play or ignore him and be confident he will not get competent advice from his incompetent staff. His only threat is actually his weakness...his incompetence. You cannot be sure what decision he will make. During the cold war we at least knew the Soviets were coldly rational. It was a game of two chessmasters. Not now.

I would also put Hillary and Kerry in that group. They only impress themselves.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 05:52 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Lerch was impressed with himself before he wasn't...

~~~

& if Hilary wants to do what was mentioned above, and have Snowded 'dead-ed' [which would point all fingers at the Teleprompter], arguably, she's connected enough to do it...

The Clinton Body Count

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.html

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:21 | Link to Comment duo
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I don't think Obama can even play checkers.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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dominoes

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:53 | Link to Comment Hedge Fund of One
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Anything can happen, but I think that Obama's supporters rally to his defense, paint this as part of the vast right-wing conspiracy against progressivism, count on the populace to stay in its stupor and not to care enough about it to do anything. Especially with so many "distinguished" senators of both parties supporting the program. As mentioned in another article on zerohedge, the polls show most Americans willing to give up their privacy for a (false) sense of safety.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:16 | Link to Comment tango
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Exactly.  It's as Ron Paul said.   Cultural inertia is too powerful to stop.  We've convinced ourselves that eternal borrowing is the key to prosperity, the media long ago adopted the leftists agenda of redistribuion, group rights and the politicalization of all human action and most citizens are STILL unaware of the scandals.   Worse, a good 30% would support the prez if he sacrificed his daughters in the White House garden.  A former consultant friend admitted he'd "heard" something about some scandal but since he didn't read the papers or watch the news he got only the headlines and assumed Obama was "simply doing his thing". 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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No fan of Obama but do you people actually think this operation started in early 2009? If you do, then you are politically blinded. Obama continued an illegal operation started by USA Inc. under the leadership of junior executive and project manager George Bush in 2002 or 2003.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Angry White Dude
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Agreed. Nothing changes until the supply chains are broken, and only then if the gov is unable to impose open martial law quickly enough to keep the sheep in line.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:37 | Link to Comment ChanceIs
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No.  Snowden was the bombadier sliced by shrapnel who died in Yousarian's (sp?) arms in Joseph Heller's Catch 22.  After that Yousarian started sitting naked in trees.

I feel like I am holding the dying America in my arms, and wanting to sit naked in trees.  Great form of protest.  The parallels are striking.  Only if you are stoooopid then you get to go on welfare, but if you go on welfare it means that you are smart and recognize the futility of working for the banksters and then don't qualify for welfare.

I do hope they don't serve Snowden some polonium.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Nassim
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Let them incarcerate you for a while and deprive you for all your senses and you would be like a disco bunny in no time at all.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:43 | Link to Comment william114085
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CNN had a panel discussion where the rhetoric was non-stop "he took off for CHINA"

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:55 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Will this be a fourth of July with US flags flying upside down???

Sure is shaping up that way.

I've lost that warm fuzzy feeling.

Independence???

 

From what?

Is that the warm fuzzy feeling i have lost?

It's worse now that in the 1700's.  Worse..

This time is not different..

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feLjqdbR8GA Our Gov. is worse than the one our founding fathers fought against

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Harry Reid wants to pass amnesty on July 4th.  No joke. It would be the ultimate FU to Americans.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:06 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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have you seen any Stern/Leno man on the streets over independence day?  half the country doesn't know who we gained independence from, or why.   the only thing that can save the US at this point is to once again restrict voting to property owners (or you at least have to pay above a certain threshold in taxes) and literacy tests.  its amazing how many things the founders got right.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Going Loco
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"the only thing that can save the US at this point is to once again restrict voting to property owners...and literacy tests."

But this would produce a new elite which would prevent the non-elite from ever owning property or becoming literate, so what good would that do?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 05:56 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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Not even the elite would want that... They wouldn't have any Mexicans to come mow their lawns & clean their shitters...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment malikai
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Mexicans do that for the money, not citizenship.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Less than 1% of all Americans know WHY the colonies seceded from Great Britain thanks to the joys of the American education system.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Manning is no "disco bunny" and is every bit the hero that Snowden is, which is saying something:

Tuesday, June 11, 2013

[Editor’s Note: The following post is by TDV contributor, Wendy McElroy]

US Army Private Bradley Manning is being persecuted for exposing war crimes committed by the Bush and Obama administrations. Like any criminal, the US government wants its wrongful acts to remain secret; it wishes to make the truth illegal.

On June 3rd, the trial of Manning began. He previously pled guilty to 10 offenses that could collectively bring 20 years in custody, but the military prosecutors were not satisfied. They pursued the capital offense of “aiding the enemy” which can be punished by execution or life imprisonment. This is Obama's warning to anyone else who is tempted to speak truth to power. 

WHAT YOU ARE TOLD IS ON TRIAL

Bradley Manning was arrested in May 2010 for passing restricted material to the WikiLeaks site, which is dedicated to the free flow of information. The material included videos of American airstrikes on Baghdad and Afghanistan, as well as hundreds of thousands of diplomatic cables that became known as the Iraq and Afghan War logs. 

The American government and military were acutely embarrassed. For example, one video consisted of cockpit gunsight footage from a US helicopter that was involved in the series of July 12, 2007 airstrikes on Baghdad in which an estimated 18 people were killed, including two Reuters war correspondents. The military claimed the dead were armed insurgents, and at least two of them had weapons which is common practice in Iraq. The Pentagon buried the footage by refusing a Freedom of Information request from Reuters. When the video was leaked, it showed an indiscriminate slaughter. Its audio captured the unalloyed joy of the Americans as they killed and an absolute lack of remorse when they realized young children were among the dead.

This video was a turning point for Manning who was shocked by the soldier's remarks. At his pre-trial hearing, he stated of the leaked material, “I felt I had accomplished something that allowed me to have a clear conscience based upon what I had seen and read about and knew were happening in both Iraq and Afghanistan every day.”

The 1971 leak of the Pentagon Papers by Daniel Ellsberg was a turning point in the Vietnam War because it revealed the depth of lies being told by the American government to the American people.  Manning's act was a turning point in the Iraq and Afghan wars but it had far wider impact. For one thing, it was instrumental in sparking the Arab Spring; one diplomatic cable discredited the Tunisian government by verifying the raw corruption of the President and his family.

MANNING'S UNFORGIVEABLE SIN

Indiscriminate slaughter and the torture of detainees do not disturb the Obama administration; talking about them does. Manning not only talked but he backed everything up with data. For exposing and embarrassing them, government wishes not merely to punish Manning but to crush him utterly so that his example does not inspire others. To do so, it must make transparency into treason.

The accusation of aiding and abetting the enemy is a drastic and dangerous expansion of the Espionage Act.  The exact wording of the charge: “Knowingly giving intelligence to the enemy through indirect means.” Traditionally, direct means have been required; that is, a person directly and intentionally provided intelligence to “the enemy.” The prosecutors now contend  that the transfer can be indirect and unintentional. They argue Manning should have known Al Qaeda could access the information; his intention of revealing a war crime to the world becomes irrelevant. The New York Times observed, “This would turn all government whistle-blowing into treason: a grave threat to both potential sources and American journalism.”

The civil libertarian Glenn Greenwald explained further, “[The new legal theory] would basically mean that any kind of leak now of classified information to newspapers, where your intent is not to aid the Taliban or help them but to expose wrongdoing, is now considered a capital offense and considered aiding and abetting the enemy....And that’s an amazingly broad and expansive definition...”  The expanded theory becomes a de facto gag order, especially in the hands of Obama who has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all previous Presidents combined.

There is no question that Manning broke the law. The fault lies not in Manning but in the military. No person nor organization has the right to force a man to surrender his conscience and mutely watch the slaughter of children. He has an inalienable right to speak the truth. To claim otherwise is to argue that a soldier is literally property, a slave of the military and no longer a man.

In Civil Disobedience, Henry David Thoreau declared, “Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right....Law never made men a whit more just; and, by means of their respect for it, even the well-disposed are daily made the agents of injustice.”  Speaking specifically of soldiers who surrender their conscience,  Thoreau continued,  “They have no doubt that it is a damnable business in which they are concerned; they are all peaceably inclined. Now, what are they? Men at all? or small movable forts and magazines, at the service of some unscrupulous man in power? [B]ehold a marine, such a man as an American government can make...a mere shadow and reminiscence of humanity...”

Manning has already spent 1110 days in prison, much of it in solitary confinement and other conditions that human rights organizations call torture. Even for the most military of men, 1110 days and the prospect of 20 years more should be enough punishment for the 'crime' of retaining a conscience.

WHAT THE TRIAL MEANS ABOUT AMERICA

Roger Williams, the Puritan founder of Rhode Island, was America's first revolutionary. He created the American soul by inextricably linking individual liberty with freedom of belief. In the 1640s, Williams argued passionately for “soul liberty” – that is, an individual's conscience should be free from outside interference and control.  “[T]o force the Consciences of the Unwilling is a Soul-rape,” he declared bluntly. Drawing upon Williams, the contemporary American philosopher Martha Nussbaum further defined “soul-rape” as forcing people “to affirm convictions that they may not hold, or to give assent to orthodoxies they don’t support.”

Williams won the argument, and the First Amendment was the ultimate  result. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...” The amendment was first in the Bill of Rights because freedom of conscience and speech is the most fundamental of human rights. Around the world, Americans became renowned as a people who bowed their heads and beliefs to no one; they spoke and believed freely. And, so, the world gravitated toward America because of the hunger within human beings to think and decide for themselves. It is a hunger for human dignity.

The persecution of Manning is an attempt to destroy the core of what it means to be American by destroying freedom of conscience and speech.  The police and surveillance state of America wants to control information down to the level of reaching inside people's minds to instill a fear of speaking or deciding for themselves. 

Obama is raping the soul of America. 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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He's a democrat. A liberal to boot.

Those that elected him are not capable of rational thought. They only know "feelings".

Hence their perpetual poverty and dysfunctional lives.

Besides, do you really want those 47%ers rioting n' shit in your hood while you are at work? Or do you think the MSM finally stop fellating him? 

He will stay put.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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There is NOTHING liberal about that war-mongering son of a bitch. Jefferson was a liberal. Obama is a fascist to his rotten core, the absolute opposite of what Jefferson stood for.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Eireann go Brach
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You stupid fucking yanks sure got what you deserved when you turned the American voting system into a popularity contest!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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yes we did. Here we don't even ID voters, so even if you are not a citizen, as they say in Chicago, "vote early and vote often!"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:44 | Link to Comment FreedomGuy
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My favorite saying is, "My dad was a diehard conservative and voted Republican all his life. However, now that he's dead he always votes Democrat!".

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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I suppose the common defence to that is the same that the Brits gave to me when I asked why they reelected Tony Blair: "The other candidate was even worse."

I don't think that Barry was reelected because he was popular. It was the results of The Machine, IMHO.

If there's no candidate that represents your values, or even worse they all are overwhelmingly repugnant to one's values as these tyrants are, how can you in good conscience vote for anyone?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:59 | Link to Comment GoldForCash
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There is no doubt about it. Snowden will meet with a terrible accident as did the 2 FBI agents that took down the Boston bomber...the 3rd one remembered what he was told to say. Also a long time ago accident victim Sonny Bono.....yes..true

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:33 | Link to Comment Ian56
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The implications of a MASS SURVEILLANCE STATE. 

The mass blackmail of political dissenters, politicians, media, judges etc. 

 

http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/feinstein-and-clapper-finally-admit.html

Feinstein & Clapper finally admit to collecting all phone records for 7 years

http://news.yahoo.com/clapper-clarifies-remarks-over-nsa-snooping-155751214.html

They say that they won't look at the records without a good reason. They previously lied and tried to cover up that they were collecting the phone records of all Americans, what makes you think we can trust them to not look at the data they have collected, whenever it suits the government to do so?

Clapper denied collecting phone records on millions of Americanshttp://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/spy-chief-clapper-denies-misleading-congress-spying-americans-221024826.html

The reason for the NSA's Mass Surveillance programs is to suppress political dissent, they are not anti-terror measures.

Why didn't the authorities stop the Boston bombing with all of the intel they had and are now collecting on everyone? There was plenty of evidence that the elder brother was a substantive threat and the FBI had had contact with him for at least 2 years before contact was "dropped" after his 6 month visit to the Caucasus. His activities in the Caucasus included attendance at, at least one Islamic Extremist conference in Georgia, with the main speakers being Islamic hate preachers. The Russians warned at least three times that he was a threat and to watch him. But the authorities didn't watch him. Why not?

The reason the authorities didn't stop Boston is because anti-terror is not the priority. They would rather use the 4,000+ private contract staff and who knows how many NSA staff, to go after domestic political dissenters.

Edward Snowden was a private contractor working for Booz Allen who had top secret clearance. (A third of private contractors have top secret clearance.) Snowden claims that he had authorisation to snoop and listen in on anyone "Federal judges, even the President".

The FBI have already tried to label Occupy protesters as "domestic terrorists". When the FBI were pursuing and harassing Occupy, what makes you think that the FBI did not go to the NSA and ask "what have you got on these people". Or "can you help us identify others". NSA "why we sure can - we've got LOADS of data going back 7 years - we'll get back to you tomorrow."

The authorities will do the same against Monsanto protesters or attendees at gun rights rallies etc. Anything the government doesn't like, any political dissenters.

Similarly the government will try and use this information on any civil rights activists like the ACLU. The FBI getting a spy in the camp of the ACLU would be a coup. There is probably someone in the top levels that has something to hide and can be blackmailed to provide information on what the ACLU is planning to do, or provide some information on some other top level person. If they can't get a top level person, they will work on the next level down or secretaries etc.

But it gets worse.

The government and party leaders have always kept dossiers on politicians to use as leverage to make sure "they vote the right way".

Now they have access to :- all their phone records the contents of every phone call made every email every text their social media interactions their voice mails

etc. etc.

They also have access to the same data for all their staffers.

What makes you think the government won't use this information if they want to swing a tight vote?

Similarly they will keep dossiers on all State Party leaders, National Committee members and legislators.

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a surveillance dossier on every TV anchor and media personality? What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to try and ensure the media stick to the "government's story". (Obviously most of the media personalities won't be able to be blackmailed, but some will. If they can't blackmail the actual media personality, maybe they can get something on their spouse or their kids. Threatening to go after their teenage kid for smoking dope and jailing them would be a powerful weapon.)

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a dossier on every Federal judge? What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to ensure "the right verdict" on any sensitive cases? If there is any doubt, a Federal judge will be appointed that CAN be blackmailed into delivering the "right verdict".

But it gets worse.

What makes you think the NSA does not have a dossier on every member of SCOTUS? What makes you think the government won't try and use the above information to ensure "the right verdict"?

If all of the above is not happening now, and I am pretty sure it is, what makes you think the President who takes office in 2017 won't do it? NOBODY knows who that will be. The time to speak out against this is NOW.

A Democrat supporter put this better than me :-

"The storage of the collected surveillance data is the most egregiously fascistic aspect of this. They are creating a database on every single citizen's communication and activities. Those who don't see the danger in that are either rank apologists, or they have not thought through the possibilities.

Citizen 1,675,402 begins to look a little too angry or activist, and it will be no trouble at all to search through the data and find some reason, somewhere, to call the local officers to check out some violation from 2013. To arrest, and have someone disappear.

It offers an entire infrastructure for pre-emptive silencing of opposition to the government, even before it has a chance to materialize. And for those who are implementing an agenda of corporate, profit-centered and human-exploiting policies that will cause widespread impoverishment and rage, this is exactly the sort of system that will offer tremendous temptations for abuse to prevent the inevitable pushback.

We saw already what the government did to proactively target Occupy. This surveillance program violates the fundamental trust Americans are supposed to have in their representative government. It is deeply disturbing, creepy as hell, and ALL Americans should be standing together now to stop it."

See my previous article on this :- All the Infrastructure for a Tyrant, courtesy of Bush, Obama and Congress http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/all-infrastructure-tyrant-would-need.html

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 08:32 | Link to Comment Bosch
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Hilarious.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, unfortunately he will.  But, I wonder what the really BIG scandal is?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:11 | Link to Comment ACP
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I can't think of any scenario that would get him out except for one: Cuts off government handouts AND admits it's his idea.

 

If Obama is proven to be a child molester: "The Republicans made him do it."

If Obama shoots someone on national TV: "It's Bush's fault."

If Obama cuts off handouts: "What the muthafuck?!?"

 

Edit: Dayum! Is this what Snowden left behind? A member of the Waikiki Acrobatic Troupe. The key word being "Acrobatic."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/photos-meet-the-acrobat-girlfriend-nsa-le...

 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:09 | Link to Comment DormRoom
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The BIG scandal is the one that has been going on since 9/11.

The war on terrorism, like the war on drugs allows the government to write big blank checks, with little accountability,  to agencies that then go out an hire contractors (from Booz Allen) for 2-5x the salary of a regular employee, or tender lucrative contracts to the private sector.  Government seems to be getting smaller, but it's not, if you count the tens of thousands of contractors that agencies employ.  The net effect is money flowing from the middle class to the mili-technology, and surveillance class employed by the militiary-industrial-surveillance complex. The police state is self perpetuating now that it has become a tens of billions of dollars market.

 

And if you compare the police state to the drug state that existed after the war on drugs where street drugs became very cheap, of high quality, and easily accessible, then the police state will be one in which every personal information will be monitored, easily accessible, and sold cheaply to agents (marketers, state agencies, insurance companies, charities). 

When they delete you, it will be a thorough job.  There will be no caching.

 

 

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:35 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Tens of billions?  Son, you are off by an order of magnitude.

The 'defense' budget is supposedly $1 trillion a year.  Lets assume they aren't undercounting.  If most of that gets funneled to private contractors, one way or another, then, on the stock market, with an earnings multiple of just 10, the defense budget would be directly supporting $20 trillion in market cap (and who owns the companies who get gov't contracts would be the real question)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 07:40 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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"(and who owns the companies who get gov't contracts would be the real question)"

~~~

Let me take a wild guess... There's probably only a 2% chance I'll get it right on the first try so I'm getting 50-1 odds here minus the vig...

Ummm... The 'Bangladeshi's'?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:34 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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obama should just change his name to bush ...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Ham-bone
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Bu-ama???

Oba-ush???

Traitors???

Tools???

One and the fucking same - whether they are forced to be assholes at gun point or just are assholes...their actions show they care nothing but for continuing the rein of the few. 

BTW - Wonder if NSA will be able to connect the dots that I'm not a big fan of theirs or totalitarianism.  Not a fan of infinite money, infinite government, infinite liars infinitely telling lies...I just hope there are more that feel likewise than I realize.  Perhaps someone from the NSA would be so good as to help us have a "get together".

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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Mabus was supposedly a mirror image for Sadam Hussein.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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Cisne negro

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Had to look it up, thought you were talking about Barack Milhouse Hussein Bin Laden Obama. Wait a minute.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Uncle Sugar
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We're the only ones paying attention. The public only has an opinion on DWTS.  Obozo is bullet proof.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Overfed
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He's gonna do a Bloomturd and go for three!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:39 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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You beat me to it by about 45 seconds.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:40 | Link to Comment Umh
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If you are right then we are stupid. That's not saying that I doubt what you are saying.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:38 | Link to Comment DrewJackson
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Only racists would not support overturning the 22nd Amendment!!!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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It's not his second term I'm afraid of.  It's his third.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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El presidente for life. Viva la revolucion.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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This is NOT a country built on fucking socialist dictator cunts.  They want it, come and take it from us.  The last stand of liberty will be fought right here in the US.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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No it wasn't, but it's being taken over through a silent coup.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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It's going to be restored by the blood of our patriots.  Unfortunately nothing of worth comes without the sacrifice of the righteous.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Can I get an argument from a down voting fag as to where they think I'm wrong?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Pay no attention to the NSA agent trolling these pages.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Snowden worked for the NSA.  He has more balls than most people here.  Speak your mind while you still can or go fuck yourself.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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A silent coup by dilution of culture, i.e. morality.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Chalie can't surf, and Barry can't habla.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment Skateboarder
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For the good of the country, for the good of the people, etc.

Fowad!!@ durr

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment sgorem
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"Obozo is bullet proof.".......TO EVERYONES DISMAY.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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He's criticism proof thanks to our MSM.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Kurunghun reptilian symbionts like Obama and Rasputin before him are nearly invulnerable to everything but injuries to the head. They can be best distinguish by their purple lips. They are the archetype for zombie myths.

Dulrilia symbionts are best distinguished by the stretched look of their skin, (think Pelosi or Biden). They are the archetypes of vampires and are best put down by injuries to the heart. Actual stakes are not required but do lend a touch of class.

Pryngli symbionts which are best distiguished by the highly unnatural browning of the host's skin (examples LaGarde or Boehner) are extremely resilient to physical damage but dissolve rapidly in water. This is a newer class of symbionts are not found in the folklore. The similarity to the wicked witch of the west in The Wizard of Oz is consider to be purely coincidental

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:39 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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That could be a good way for TPTB to start a race war.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:41 | Link to Comment thedrickster
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Just think of all those shiny new emergency executive powers BO would get to try out.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:23 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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That is what happens AFTER Obama leaves office. The Black Unemployment rates almost guarantee it.  Another reason for him to finish his term.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment surf0766
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I can't wait until the communist/socialist/progressives try and remove the presidential term limits... Cause it is coming.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:51 | Link to Comment sgorem
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+1 for sarc.....................

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment NemoDeNovo
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Um actually its not <sarc>....

http://nation.foxnews.com/22nd-amendment/2013/01/06/king-obama-congressm...

No Fan of Fox news, but you can find this on thomas.gov too I believe

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:59 | Link to Comment buyingsterling
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I hope so. Fast track to secession.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:18 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Lucky Texans

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:43 | Link to Comment OMG
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Oblaba could skull fuck a mexican gay/lesbian midget on prime time TV & nothing would be done about it.

Although a Bill being introduced banning SF is at hand.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The typical American outrage and response:

The system is thoroughly corrupt and rotting from the head down. The IRS , spying on reporters, the elections, the markets, the politicians, the....... oh look a rainbow . What was I pissed about? Ah never mind honey grab me a beer Survivor is on.

Sadly I have little faith in the American people and this will fade away like many of the government's crimes against the public. We are stuck with this guy and the whole shitty system that produced him.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:49 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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and that's the optomistic view Doc. Watch the media dig up something about this dude that allows both sides to bury this guy under a media barrage of "traitor" talk until we are foaming at the mouth to get him.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:56 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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You are probably right. I'll bet they will before it's done. You'll see flags flying everywhere with "Bury Osama Bin Snowden" bumper stickers on every patriotic American (foreign made) automobile.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:15 | Link to Comment ShrNfr
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He is gradually losing the media. They don't mind spying on somebody else, but spying on them, that is a whole different matter.

The tone has started to shift of late.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:32 | Link to Comment you enjoy myself
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yep, that was by far his biggest miscalculation.  you have a compliant, kneepad media that's going to ignore (or, if it can't be suppressed, defend) literally anything you do, and that's who you fuck with?  if Obama had Pinch Sulzberger killed by a drone strike on an UWS apartment the NYT would likely have had a vigorous debate about whether or not to publish that info.   hey, you have to break some eggs to make a messiah omelet. 

but target, or at least implicitly threaten, the entire press corps?  that's a sign of megalomaniacal narcissism. 

 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:54 | Link to Comment sgorem
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i have to agree with you DR., but just maybe, we'll get lucky.............in the most positive way you can imagine. have faith.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment tmosley
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People are always down on "typical Americans", as if they are substantially different from "typical humans".

The fact is that the typical American outrage and response is more like:

"Holy shit, that's awful, but I have to head out to my second job to keep from defaulting on my $100,000 of student and credit card debt.  If I have any energy when I get back, I'll post online about it!"

The now only slightly less typical American is unemployed, and has time to fully take this stuff in, and is uncomfortable enough to be moved into action.

We are building towards a critical mass.  I'm not convinced AMERICA will last out Obama's second term.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:33 | Link to Comment NemoDeNovo
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Right there with ya, not sure if 'merica will remian in its current for for the next 18 months even

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 05:38 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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On purpose...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:21 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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No doubt the financial system has a terminal condition of something. And Obozo could become Julius Caesar Hugo Obama I if he plays his hand right during a crisis.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Straw Dog
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Also where is the coverage by the US media on these scandals, most stories seem to be broken and run by UK newspapares, Telegraph, Guardian, or the Daily Mail (the UK equivalent of USA Today). The media here is a liability not an asset.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 04:36 | Link to Comment Going Loco
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NB: Rupert Murdoch does not own any of the newspapers that have broken big corruption stories.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Lost Word
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Those British Newspapers are generally Establishment, or Controlled Opposition.

Fox News is slightly better than the other Liberal Network News orgnizations, but Fox is also Controlled Opposition.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:19 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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The USG has too much leverage over Domestic and Conglomerate Media. Only independent foreign outfits have the freedom to challenge the USG.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment NOTfromSanFrancisco
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+10

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Alcoholic Nativ...
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Long live the Osama Slayer!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:44 | Link to Comment monopoly
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Well if Obama and family leave and move back to Chicago, the savings to the taxpayer over 3 years would probably exceed 1 billion dollars. But then we have "joe", Oh my.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:47 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Obama?  Impeach the fucker, and hang all the CONgressional representatives who gave their stamp of approval.

Disgusting to watch the establishment wonks on T.V. try to equivocate about why what N.S.A. is doing is just fine and dandy.

More disgusting is to hear them bemoan and wail about the "traitor" Edward Snowden for exposing the treachery and debauched logic of the N.S.A. and the Government Apparatchiks who justify raping the 4th Amendment of The Constitution.

Fuck and hang the lot.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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The Constitution won't stop a bullet and we're on our way to seeing that it won't stop a psychopath.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   Fuck, I hope Obunga is in office through his full term. I have nightmares about Biden running the country!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:42 | Link to Comment Freddie
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I would take Biden in a heartbeat.  Somebody in Biden's family probably did something once that was good for America.  Obama's family?  LOL!  He is not even an American.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Bear
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Obama's family? 

Martha Vinyard's economy boosted by Obama family, a summer here a summer there, it all adds up 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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    My personal preference would be, to make both of them walk the plank over a volcano. Just because someone in your family might have done something redeeming in the past, doesn't give you a ticket to screw up the future. They're both(Biden & Obama) spineless pukes, but Bidens 'hoof in mouth' disease would be more destructive imho.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:38 | Link to Comment Freddie
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No doubt my friend.  They are both criminals.  If I had to take one over the other it would be Biden.  He seems more buffoonish and abit less evil.

I don't watch TV but saw this with Judge Napolitano who I think is pretty good. He said Edward Snowden is a hero.  He also defends the 4th Amendment and attack the govt spying program.  The guy has stones.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/judge-napolitano-to-shep-smith-nsa-leaker-an-american-hero-who-exposed-extraordinary-violations/#disqus_thread

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:54 | Link to Comment wisehiney
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Let them stay so they can hurry and finish the job. I don't want to be too old to help rebuild.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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America will probably go full retard...

2016 : Hillary president... napolitano AG... Bill clinton defense secretary... jon corzine fed chairman... chris matthew WH spokesman...

You know, for the lulz. I mean, if you gonna go full retard, go all the way!

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:41 | Link to Comment ReactionToClose...
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Please ... please Zerohedge, make the case for this (i.e., "lobby" for it over Yellen) ..... the preceding poster struck on a gem of an idea .... what better?

Jon Corzine to replace Bernacke as Federal Reserve Chairman ..... It would make Goldie happy (see Dudley @ NYFed) and likely even Chase Manhattan.  Chris Cristie would get a New Jersey alumnus boost as an extra (bi-partisan).   Make Bernie Madoff vice chair if he embraced 'restitution' for his 'sophisticated' ( I must have a guranteed 7% return even if it makes no market sense to guarantee such) investors

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Get serious. Gideon Gono is the only one who can fill Bernanke's shoes.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 01:25 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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Is he even available?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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I don't think he'd work for FRNs, if thats what you are getting at.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Divine Wind
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Fat chance.

Consider the following:

The House of Representatives must first pass by a simple majority of those present and voting articles of impeachment. Upon their passage, the defendant has been "impeached". 

(No chance of that happening, even though the numbers are there. At a minimum, most would not want to be called "racis" or be accused of being a group of old White Men tired of having a Black Man in office. Far too messy.)

Next, the Senate holds a trial. The Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. To convict the accused, a two-thirds majority of the senators present is required. Conviction automatically removes the defendant from office.

( No chance of this happening. The Senate has not voted 2/3rds on anything of merit in decades outside of pay raises and extra perks. Further, Chief Justice Roberts already appears to be under positive control as evidenced by the situation surrounding ObamaCare. Someone sure seems to have gotten to him.)

Obama will serve out his term.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:04 | Link to Comment Catullus
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It's about destroying the legacy. It'll mean something to someone years from now.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 00:11 | Link to Comment brettd
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To a conservative/libertarian, he's worth more in office than not.

Great teaching opportunity!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 06:15 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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You are correct. Also, the House GOP remembers the last impeachment, and how well that one turned out for them (they actually lost seats in Clinton's second midterm as a result). They will count votes in the Senate before they proceed with anything.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Hal n back
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move back to chicago? LOL

 

Penny Pritzker, his new Secretary of Commerce, led the fund raising effort to buy the Obama family an estate in Hawaii. Now thats how you get a cabinet jobs-first you are born with a silver spoon, then use use that to gain power. The American Way.

 

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The land of the free? Where is this mythical place?

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:02 | Link to Comment Catullus
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So Charles fucking Krauthammer is for spying on Americans. And there you have it. Republicans and the neocon filth investing the party are now the counterrevolutionary party. Freedom destroyers.

I would impeach Obama just to see neocons defend him. Just we forever know the score. Drawn to absolute power like flies to shit.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:26 | Link to Comment ChanceIs
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I found Krauthammer's implicit (bordering on explicit) support of the current level of "surveillence" disturbing and dissapointing.

I wrote yesterday about how I wasn't afraid of terrorism.  I surely would have a fear spike if I ran into one in a dark alley.  But the statistics just aren't there for me to worry about.  Denninger wrote a second article this week on it:

It's Not About Terrorism Folks

Since 9/11 the common mantra from our government at all levels is that "This is about protecting you from terrorists."

This is a lie.

I'm going to prove it.

The odds of being killed by a terrorist over a five year period are about 1 in 20 million. This means the odds are about 1 in 100 million annually.

...............

Still afraid of the big, bad terrorists?  

This doesn't even register on the scale of risks to your life folks.  It is an outright scam promulgated by the government that we are some sort of "extreme" risk from such an event.

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=221610

Who can afford to not allocate their limited resources in a prudent fashion?  Nobody.  It is a simple question.  Do you want to spend $100 billion annually to reduce the risk of me getting whacked by a terrorist from 1 in 100 milliom to 1 in 99 million?  Doesn't add up.  Neither does Krauthammer.  As I said, I am deeply dissapointed.  In general I hold him in very high regard.  There is clearly some knee jerk, hard wired neurons firing in his head when it comes to this issue.

I don't worry about terrorists.  Really.  I felt more confident that I wouldn't get hit an hour after 9/11 than I did a week before (which was very high) because I figured they had shot their wad for a long time.  That doesn't mean that I didn't grieve for the bereaved.  Hardly.  I went to the funeral at Arlington of a serviceman killed in the Pentagon.  I almost joined up to go kill the bastards.  I am just saying....look at the odds.  They aren't there and never have been.

Obama and economic collapse scare me waaaaaay more.

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:49 | Link to Comment NOTfromSanFrancisco
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+ 100

Mon, 06/10/2013 - 23:06 | Link to Comment PeterSchump
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Dumbest question of the 4 year cycle. A majority of the voting populace want what he is bringing. The next guy/gal will make him and Bush look like pikers, and will still blame Bush.

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