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27 Edward Snowden Quotes About U.S. Government Spying That Should Send A Chill Up Your Spine
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
Would you be willing to give up what Edward Snowden has given up? He has given up his high paying job, his home, his girlfriend, his family, his future and his freedom just to expose the monolithic spy machinery that the U.S. government has been secretly building to the world. He says that he does not want to live in a world where there isn't any privacy. He says that he does not want to live in a world where everything that he says and does is recorded. Thanks to Snowden, we now know that the U.S. government has been spying on us to a degree that most people would have never even dared to imagine.
Up until now, the general public has known very little about the U.S. government spy grid that knows almost everything about us. But making this information public is going to cost Edward Snowden everything. Essentially, his previous life is now totally over. And if the U.S. government gets their hands on him, he will be very fortunate if he only has to spend the next several decades rotting in some horrible prison somewhere.
There is a reason why government whistleblowers are so rare. And most Americans are so apathetic that they wouldn't even give up watching their favorite television show for a single evening to do something good for society. Most Americans never even try to make a difference because they do not believe that it will benefit them personally. Meanwhile, our society continues to fall apart all around us. Hopefully the great sacrifice that Edward Snowden has made will not be in vain. Hopefully people will carefully consider what he has tried to share with the world.
The following are 27 quotes from Edward Snowden about U.S. government spying that should send a chill up your spine...
#1 "The majority of people in developed countries spend at least some time interacting with the Internet, and Governments are abusing that necessity in secret to extend their powers beyond what is necessary and appropriate."
#2 "...I believe that at this point in history, the greatest danger to our freedom and way of life comes from the reasonable fear of omniscient State powers kept in check by nothing more than policy documents."
#3 "The government has granted itself power it is not entitled to. There is no public oversight. The result is people like myself have the latitude to go further than they are allowed to."
#4 "...I can't in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they're secretly building."
#5 "The NSA has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything."
#6 "With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your e-mails or your wife's phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your e-mails, passwords, phone records, credit cards."
#7 "Any analyst at any time can target anyone. Any selector, anywhere... I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President..."
#8 "To do that, the NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. It ingests them by default. It collects them in its system and it filters them and it analyzes them and it measures them and it stores them for periods of time simply because that's the easiest, most efficient and most valuable way to achieve these ends. So while they may be intending to target someone associated with a foreign government, or someone that they suspect of terrorism, they are collecting YOUR communications to do so."
#9 "I believe that when [senator Ron] Wyden and [senator Mark] Udall asked about the scale of this, they [the NSA] said it did not have the tools to provide an answer. We do have the tools and I have maps showing where people have been scrutinized most. We collect more digital communications from America than we do from the Russians."
#10 "...they are intent on making every conversation and every form of behavior in the world known to them."
#11 "Even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded. ...it's getting to the point where you don't have to have done anything wrong, you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, and attack you on that basis, to sort of derive suspicion from an innocent life."
#12 "Allowing the U.S. government to intimidate its people with threats of retaliation for revealing wrongdoing is contrary to the public interest."
#13 "Everyone everywhere now understands how bad things have gotten — and they’re talking about it. They have the power to decide for themselves whether they are willing to sacrifice their privacy to the surveillance state."
#14 "I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."
#15 "I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."
#16 "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong."
#17 "I had been looking for leaders, but I realized that leadership is about being the first to act."
#18 "There are more important things than money. If I were motivated by money, I could have sold these documents to any number of countries and gotten very rich."
#19 "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won't be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things... And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it's only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that... because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny."
#20 "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
#21 "You can't come up against the world's most powerful intelligence agencies and not accept the risk."
#22 "I know the media likes to personalize political debates, and I know the government will demonize me."
#23 "We have got a CIA station just up the road – the consulate here in Hong Kong – and I am sure they are going to be busy for the next week. And that is a concern I will live with for the rest of my life, however long that happens to be."
#24 "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions, and that the return of this information to the public marks my end."
#25 "There’s no saving me."
#26 "The only thing I fear is the harmful effects on my family, who I won't be able to help any more. That's what keeps me up at night."
#27 "I do not expect to see home again."
Would you make the same choice that Edward Snowden made? Most Americans would not. One CNN reporter says that he really admires Snowden because he has tried to get insiders to come forward with details about government spying for years, but none of them were ever willing to...
As a digital technology writer, I have had more than one former student and colleague tell me about digital switchers they have serviced through which calls and data are diverted to government servers or the big data algorithms they've written to be used on our e-mails by intelligence agencies. I always begged them to write about it or to let me do so while protecting their identities. They refused to come forward and believed my efforts to shield them would be futile. "I don't want to lose my security clearance. Or my freedom," one told me.
And if the U.S. government has anything to say about it, Snowden is most definitely going to pay for what he has done. In fact, according to the Daily Beast, a directorate known as "the Q Group" is already hunting Snowden down...
The people who began chasing Snowden work for the Associate Directorate for Security and Counterintelligence, according to former U.S. intelligence officers who spoke on condition of anonymity. The directorate, sometimes known as “the Q Group,” is continuing to track Snowden now that he’s outed himself as The Guardian’s source, according to the intelligence officers.
If Snowden is not already under the protection of some foreign government (such as China), it will just be a matter of time before U.S. government agents get him.
And how will they treat him once they find him? Well, one reporter overheard a group of U.S. intelligence officials talking about how Edward Snowden should be "disappeared". The following is from a Daily Mail article that was posted on Monday...
A group of intelligence officials were overheard yesterday discussing how the National Security Agency worker who leaked sensitive documents to a reporter last week should be 'disappeared.'
Foreign policy analyst and editor at large of The Atlantic, Steve Clemons, tweeted about the 'disturbing' conversation after listening in to four men who were sitting near him as he waited for a flight at Washington's Dulles airport.
'In Dulles UAL lounge listening to 4 US intel officials saying loudly leaker & reporter on #NSA stuff should be disappeared recorded a bit,' he tweeted at 8:42 a.m. on Saturday.
According to Clemons, the men had been attending an event hosted by the Intelligence and National Security Alliance.
As an American, I am deeply disturbed that the U.S. government is embarrassing itself in front of the rest of the world like this.
The fact that we are collecting trillions of pieces of information on people all over the planet is a massive embarrassment and the fact that our politicians are defending this practice now that it has been exposed is a massive embarrassment.
If the U.S. government continues to act like a Big Brother police state, then the rest of the world will eventually conclude that is exactly what we are. At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet.
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Not quite dead. Undead maybe.
This goes waaaaaaaay beyond what the Stasi were capable of.
Those poor bastards were steaming envelopes open, mountains and mountains of envelopes. I decided to honor our new Stasi and soon will be flying a DDR flag I found on EBay. Can't wait.
Especially if it goes to its logical conclusion - as then it's totalitarian power meets technological prowess. Which means the revolt/revolution will need to counter with equal or greater technological prowess.
It's highly likely that nothing will change since someone will take advantage of this revelation. Look at Assange. He is an opportunistic leach who charges 1 million dollars per interview.
Your name is already on ze list.
Fuckin aye dude. We're all going to make the same decision as Snowden made (or not). Did you F'n think the 2,000.000.000 rounds of ammo, the 1,000s of DHS tanks and 50 cal machine guns were for the fuckin banksters and their group of blackmailed politicians. No they are to mow us down like crops in fields of crop circle hit by orbiting energy F'n weapons.
We will all get our chance to be Heroes.
High heeled Obama.
uhmm... cough... cough. Now you can say Bea666st System. here'ssssssssssssss johnny!
Government.Out.Of.Control
Reagan may have said it best back in the 1950s or 60s, how government takes on momentum, slowly, and before you know it, your freedoms are gone.
It may take many Snowden's to put a halt to government's overreaching for power at the expense of its people.
He made a big sacrifice. Will the public back him or leave him hanging out to dry.
Well, if I had IT skills, I'd start at Support Snowden site. Support Snowman would have been easier though.
Already underway:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57588508-1/edward-snowden-gets-crowd...
I'm sure glad Obama has changed all of this. Now we have a goverrnment we can trust.
Keep voting.
Keep paying these guys salaries.
It's the right thing to do.
Be patriotic, be a good 'murican.
and change we can believe in!!
"We've put into place the toughest ethics laws and toughest transparency rules of any administration in history - in history!"
Barack Obama
Jan. 22, 2010
Has there been a bigger lie in history - in history?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXWTdTnhebs
Agree as long as we understand that bothbRethuglicans and Demoncrats are equally blameworthy . Bush and Cheney implemented this shit.
Terrorism the excuse, police state the goal.
While everyone is watching this circus, we should turn 180 degrees and look for the real fuck job currently happening. I bet whatever it is, it's a real dousy.
The greatest lesson learned from the fall of Communism is that you have to make people love their servitude to the system.
Clearly, we need to have a massive program to immediately build more Room 101's...
If the U.S. government continues to act like a Big Brother police state, then the rest of the world will eventually conclude that is exactly what we are. At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet.
I hope so, it is the best thing possible to kill the dollar's reserve currency status and hopefully the FED in the process. The country is too far gone and has been perverted beyond all belief on cheap credit with the belief it is unlimited. That will bring most this to a screeching halt once deficits and budgets matter again. There ain't no voluntary withdrawal from that heroin drip now and that includes the populace that has been domesticated and complacent by it. Keynesian economics is the great enabler of Marxism in a hybrid corporate/government dysfunctional crony relationship. The only way for the Republic to be restored is to revolt against the FED and cheap and easy credit that enables all this and get back to sound and moral monetary policy along with a downsizing of institutions that are in line with the actual resources that can support the size without inflated hot air rehypothication making them bigger than they should be (you know kind of like athletes on steroids).
All this shit going on including the NSA scandal here is just symptoms not the cause, the cause is the FED and their fiat backed by nothing that is not debt free in it's creation process.
FUBAR, bitchez!
"That will bring most this to a screeching halt once deficits and budgets matter again." - right. What is unsustainable, cannot continue.
yes, snowden is a hero, among the few, the gov has most everybody by the balls in debt, worrrying about everyday concerns like family, jobs, mortgages, car payments, food, vacations, tv, facebook that they cannot be concerned with a little thing like privacy.
#19 "The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change."
That's my greatest fear. We will fall from grace without so much as a whimper.
Keep the NSA-bots busy. Make sure every e-mail and text includes lots of interesting keywords. For example, slipp in sentences like this:
I sure hope jihadis don't target US infidels by placing pressure cookers loaded with C-4 at the upcoming July 4th celebrations.
i guess we shouldn't expect to hear from you for the standard period of a fine...two weeks!
Groups of random characters like this might be even more troubling:
j 4 y t l a x L
P f h l i i q V
Z H 1 K F J X G
o v 9 A k R b m
w J h v o I A P
R Y p K n 1 m 8
a g 8 8 s 6 y f
q B 5 B e y s v
y j 8 F t Y f w
k M E S 3 P f 7
X h C Z q R 1 6
3 Z F D g 1 9 E
j b D 0 U D 8 q
1 j C P W n 9 u
p A y t M i k Y
If you like being singled out for TSA patdowns every time you fly, just exchange a few messages like these with your friends every day.
but but but..my insider informatin leaker makes my algo orders in this form of encryption to GS all the time!! damn..no wonder I keep losing money! i'm being front run by the NSA...
bastards!
Let me help you with that:
http://www.dave-reed.com/Nifty/randSeq.html
Enjoy!
hey it doesnt have an unrandom generator!
Sweet!! Couple trillion of those would fuck them up good! Make them long as hell!
I like to open boxes with box cutters.
http://trollthensa.com
Here's homeland security's watch word list, around 366 of them:
DHS & Other Agencies
Domestic Security
HAZMAT & Nuclear
Health Concern + H1N1
Infrastructure Security
Southwest Border Violence
Terrorism
Weather/Disaster/Emergency
Cyber Security
I'm going to drive around to the ex-wife’s house after buying a new Sim and I'm going to say all of those words. I will leave the phone on her porch, I will retreat a safe distance and watch her ass get droned.
I guess moslems, jews, christians and buddhists etc without the word "extremist" isn't a problem..hmmm..what about greenpeace, PETA or other groups that are stupid enough to put the word "secret" in their name!!!! hahahaha
Is this where we're supposed to add words they overlooked, so they can add it to their next Rev, or to the Unpublished version? /s
"Shootout"
'Hey bro - did you see the OT SHOOTOUT between the Sounders and the Timberwolves?'
NSA Tech Hounds are on it!
Help him!....Help him!....Help the bombardier!...I'm the bombardier! I'm alright! Help him!...It's....What's his name?... Snowden....(Catch 22)
I met a girl about 4 years ago in a bar. She gave me her number and I gave her a call but we couldn't meet at that time and I promised to call her again at a later date. I lost her number. Does the NSA have a help line from where I can retrieve her number from my call history?
You should ask them.
I think he just did.
Yeah i think his corpse is lying around the local river.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv__AsyX_nU
He just did
Hey, where'd he go?
Fema Camp on route 66 off exit 6
"At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet."
Take a look around you lately. We've already become the "bad guy" of the planet. The only people who cannot see it are the debt slaves.
Embarrassed??????
How about SHAME.
Snowden is a TRUE patriot. Defending the Constitution. Laying his freedom, livelyhood and life on the line.
The others that work in his place? Worms. Spineless worms. No backbone, nor moral center. Worms.
My hat is off to Edward. No doubt he will be "disapeared". WORMS. Hang your heads in SHAME!
I think there's going to be massive foreign policy fallout from this. The NSA is essentially collecting a " Blackmail List" on everyone, in order to control any outcome that they deem outside of their agenda.
help me out, OK, we know the secrecy gig is up now with the macro announcement of Prism, I get it and am pissed, but is there some other super secret spook stuff revealed at a micro or pico level I can look at or read to really scare the shit out of me?
read about "six degrees of separation" and go wow....then go "oh shit" when you realize it's now down to one computer.
central clearing indeed.
True, many years ago I was checking into a hotel at a small Carribean island resort. While waiting, I looked down at the luggage tag of the guy in front of me, I did not know him...he lived a block away from me. I didn't say a word but was quite amazed.
We will soon be in a major war to divert us from these issues.
Vlad has drawn a line in the sand and Zato could back down if the US military will not whole-heartedly join in and then there's the race against ongoing financial collapse. They could misjudge things and get tsunami wiped out, be disgraced, out of power before they get things kicked off.
ZAto has already run out of Al_CIAda hamburger for the meat grinder at present. Who'll supply the cannon fodder for a bigger engagement?
I did see that the Golan might soon be made available to free-lancers as a kind of karma payback. That could get interesting quickly.
why is anyone surprised? I'm sure its not just the US.
Of course MI5 has been at it for years, it's not the big mouths they are worried about it is the quiet ones. The intelligence services are not that simplistic, moaning and complaining is part of the human condition. Finding the real bad guys is almost impossible. I suspect a lot of the data collected is to trend the mood of the population, to try and predict which way the herd is moving, and then adjust the propaganda to suit.
wouldn't it be great if this was part of the evolution of man into avatars in an (NSA inititiated) avatar world where the NSA could predict the behavior of every individual by using the past...every deviation would be an admission of guilt, nobody would deviate because they would instantly be caught..sounds like QE to me.
A for what it is worth since they like to talk a big game but not deliver like them Justice Department files they claimed to have that they leaked encrypted but no one knows what is in those files still.
http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/06/18880-hackers-infiltrate-governmen...
“Anonymous” hackers are boasting that they infiltrated PRISM, an allegedly massive government-run program that snoops into every American’s computer to troll for terrorist-related material. (“Anonymous” is a hacker group that exists to break into private government systems.)
According an Anonymous spokesman, because PRISM has swept up everything, including online phone calls through Skype or Google, they claim to have found calls showing collusion between the government and corporations. Indeed, Anonymous claims to have discovered President Obama’s Skype calls, adding nonsensically that “we’re only afraid it’s too absurd to be true.”
Anonymous now claims to have the government over a barrel in its continued, “nonpartisan” search for truth. “We want to know the government’s point of view simply because it will help us build a more complete view of what’s really going on. Even clever lies, denials, and evasion help us in our pursuit of truth. We won’t release the information until we’ve run it all over with several officials and received a frank appraisal of its context.”
And then the punchline from the Carneyvile Barker himself
The White House press office says that Anonymous’s claims about PRISM amount to fantasizing and blackmail. “The sad irony is that PRISM doesn’t even exist, but because of hacks like these we need something like it,” said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney. “We will not cooperate with terrorists on any level, and we refuse to comment on illegally obtained confidential information.”
...
While all of us want to stop terrorist attacks, most of us have the feeling that PRISM is the internet equivalent of the TSA program: a corruptly managed program that engages in vast overreach, both because it can and because political correctness mandates that it ignore obvious flags (such as sweaty, uptight men in kufiyah’s boarding planes with one way tickets or emails saying “Allahu Akbar”) in favor of deeming every American a suspect.
...At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet...
That point has already been breached, time and time again.
What's up ahead is the confrontation that awaits the planet.
The question to ask is why they are doing it, spending billions on data collection. They know what is coming, the collapse, they know anarchy will ensue. They intend to try and control the chaos, to come out on top, to preserve the status quo.
99.999% of the data they collect is just noise. The thing that makes me laugh is this, the people who intend to revolt will be aware of the surveillance, so all of this technology is a complete waste of time. The ingenuity of man will always overcome the stupidity of government; this is how all revolutions come about.
....They are paying themselves to collect the data.
You got it. It's the make works programs.
The system has O.C.D. It cannot stop.
Really Wile-E, I'm sure they're seeing amazing, intoxicating stuff. Did you ever see the story about the DARPA/MIT challenge to find 7 or 8 large weather balloons? It was about watching the traffic like synapses in a hive brain.
Imagine a real-time, digital Tower of Babel constructed from all kinds of clues to human consciousness and interaction at the macro and micro scale.
To them, none of it is noise and they never throw away any of it. Even it they're overwhelmed with data at times, they still try to save it all as their ability to manage and mine increasingly enormous flows tries to keep up.
Evil, but fascinating.
This database is how "they" get info to smear political opponents for their billionaire overlords (in case one won't play ball, which they all do anyway).
Ahh like Hoover. Well if they are stupid enough to shit on their own doorstep they deserve everything they get. We don't deserve politicians like that; we need some real intelligent sociopaths in charge. Putin is a good model.
Impeach everyone, they're all guilty of at least desecrating the Constitution - after that, the list goes on for miles....
Back to the topic, its not so hard to give up everything...its possible
He wants safe harbor in Iceland. That tells me A LOT!
"As an American, I am deeply disturbed that the U.S. government is embarrassing itself in front of the rest of the world like this."
As for me, as an American, I am deeply *pleased* that the U.S. government is embarrassing itself in front of the rest of the world like this.
Let the world know what our government has become, and let our government - goons like McCain, Obama, Feinstein, Clapper - feel the full wrath, and let ordinary Americans witness this, soak it up, wake up, and then go from there...
Change is in order. Not the lip-service "change" this duplicitous fuck-up Obama blabbed about, but real change for the better, for the people.
I guess the moral of the story is....You can't make it as a "leader" if you are honest, buy you can go to prison for it.
While most are predicting doom perhaps this could end up being the American people's finest hour since the 1960's or the 1770's. I am being both a contrarian and an optimist.
Americans are shocked at this because they are inept, lazy, and carefree when it comes to their liberties.
Look at the people who support infringing on our right to bear arms...
There are so many tea leaves that have so much writing on them that to NOT expect this state of Orwellian dystopia we currently find ourselves in is pretty absurd.
No one has gone to jail over this, no one has resigned, no one has been fired. There has been ZERO accountability for ANY of the recent scandals.
I've been saying for a while the society we live in more resembles fascism than anything else. Look at the benefits these companies have received from being in bed with the government - taxes, regulation, policy etc, it's always in their favor. Are you really shocked GOOGLE pays almost no taxes? To end my rant...#freecorzine
....and our Congress critters are busy this very day trying to pave a path to citizenship for more people who have zero respect for the rule law, our system (former system) of government, and who will become net drags on society. We have more than enough of our own home-grown dregs.
Remember, there will be a significant increase in HB-1 approvals. There are more current US citizens who are qualified or more qualified. Another "False Flag" that will enable our "overloads" to increase profits while lowering the value of labor and increasing slave labor.
Remember, there will be a significant increase in HB-1 approvals. There are more current US citizens who are qualified or more qualified. Another "False Flag" that will enable our "overloads" to increase profits while lowering the value of labor and increasing slave labor.
The Lives of Others.
Great movie about how a Stasi snoop sabotages efforts to ruina dissident. Even in the hell of East Germany, the great risk for the power freaks is they must depend on the consent of those who do the work.
The thing the state is going to suffer great angst over, and mid-level managers will be threatened with job loss or reassignment over the coming weeks and months - possibly years, is if they fail, with all their fancy technology to find one smart fugitive hiding in a big city. It is amazing how long some of them manage to survive underground.
We shouldn't be surprised - Ron Paul has been warning about this illegal spying since 1984. He warned us this would happen with the signing of the Patriot Act and the NDAA
I have to say I didn't start getting into econ and politics until around about 2005 / 06 ish time period. At that time there was a lot about Bush and blah blah blah going around, but I started out as a Recraplican when I was 18, cause that's what I thought I knew. Then I saw I believe it was Zietgiest, which launched millions of questions of everything, while I am a firm believer in two sides to every story, I questioned everything on all sides of the spectrum. While doing so I started feeling like "tin foil hat" material started just getting to out there and impossible. As the years went by I started aligning with Ron Paul and his views about the world and agreeing. Recently everything threw me through a loop again. 7 years ago reading that domestic armies would be built, taxes would get out of control, devaluation of our currency, stock market crashes, endless wars, NSA / DHS watching our every move, back then seemed a bit much, but in the past year it's all been being made public. So it makes me wonder to what extent it will go.
This. Everything happening now is completely throwing me for a loop and changing my worldview. I try to question my assumptions and look at both sides of an issue and as a scientist thought I was fairly immune to too much tin-foil hattery, but a lot of it is proving to be true. My mind has been blown and what has really done it is seeing the disconnect between what's happening on the ground and the messages propagated by the MSM and gov. I suppose I was a bit nieve before, but wathing events unfold in Syria and the economy has really been an eye opener.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw
all the signs of a false flag...why would anyone hire him in the first place?
Snowden is wake up call to every person --its time to draw a personal line in the sand--not to discuss, but to realize in your heart that at that point in the unfolding of events you will be willing to lay it all down-- Snowden did that -- we should all do the same.
The greatest generation fought a world war and looked death in the eye. We should learn from them. What are you willing to die for?
your greatest generation where the biggest bunch of schmucks, fools, enablers and patsies to ever come down the pike.
Pearl Harbor was a false flag event.
We got into WWI against the wishes of the sheeple because banksters had Woodrow Wilson owned via some kiddy-porn
John Boehner is a traitor to freedom and free speech. All the others in the Republican Party, save a few, are RINOs. Reagan would be ashamed of what has become of his once proud party. Reagan believed in the people and their ability to pick themselves up, not wait for a handout from the government. He knew government was the problem, not the solution to society's ills. Reagan knew that the individual rights trumped any group rights and that it doesn't take a fucking village to create prosperity. It takes entrepreneurship, hardwork, and vision from the individual. He knew a man could accomplish more with his own personal resources than with the handouts of others. Can anyone really tell the difference anymore between Lindsay Graham and Chuck Schumer? John McCain and Bill Nelson? Its like they've all morphed into one person. 6 Year terms for these assholes back to back to back and what we get is lifelong tenures? What we get is Prism, Fast and Furious, IRS auditing the Tea Party, Benghazi, State Department cover-ups, AP computer hacking, 7 trillion more in debt, 7.6% unemployment, a dollar quickly turning into toilet paper, $4 gas, outsourced jobs overseas, Obamacare. People can't call each other anymore without wondering, nor can they go to their computers without wondering, nor can they speak out in public or protest without wondering. To paraphrase Hillary 'we have every right to question our government'. She was right, however, she doesn't believe that now does she? It is time for a third party.
all true... but trivial in comparison to MILLIONS DEAD women and children.. just fodder for the MIL-INTEL-FINANCE Complx. collateral losses while wall st - london counts their trillions..
Ur delusional. Reagan did major damage. I hate when people elevate this B acting prick to Demi-god status. Drug running, Iran contra.
He fucked the three stooges good n proper out of their syndication rights.
Pahleeeeeeeez
Snowden is nothing. He is a throw away. Like gay little Bradley Manning, there is nothing scary or chilling about Snowden or much he "reveals." TTCP and "Five Eyes" are so huge, made up of so many tens of thousands of people involved in all the code word programs that this little BAH fucker thinks he has the golden ticket from the chocolate bar? Snowden will roam free as a smoking asset trotting around the globe regardless of his allegiance. Perhaps he was set free to do exactly this? Not everything is as it seems. Intelligence agencies and the tens of thousands in it are capable of so much, in so many ways, that letting this one contractor disappear with something remotely valuable via sneakernet strikes me as possible under some very very kind one time circumstances, but highly unlikely. He is nothing. He scares no one. Was he turned? Was he led down this path purposely by someone? No matter as it is unleashed doing exactly as intended.
Gave up his home, his girlfriend...cry me a fucking river Mr Snyder...
and you know dick about squat..so what are you worth?
See my above post. Kudos to you for putting dick and squat in the same sentence. I would've gone with shit and shinola, but no one seems to know what shinola is...
You are part of the problem.
Your ad hominem is so damn well done in so few words, I should probably give you a golf clap. You may be right. But we don't know, neither of us, do we? We each may think we know based on available information. The information available to one may not be available to others. Information may be beneficial or detrimental to one's position. It may be contextually lacking, it may be overly simplified. So you keep relying on your information stream, and I'll keep relying on mine. And you keep that ad hominem thing perfected, cause it is indeed a showstopper to most dumb fucks who don't know Latin.
Your points would be better received if you were not such a smug asshole.
And you're fun to troll. Let's do this again sometime.
And "Conspicio", please don't brag because you can use Google Translator and just finished your 3rd week of Rosetta Stone Latin.
Congrats.
sadly, you may be onto something....we've already seen both the BLATANTLY in-yer-face "fuck you... try to make me stop" criminal activity, and the flip side is that doubl-triple-agent shit. As devious as these FUCKERS are [sneaky little chicken-shit fucking cowards], I don't put nothin' past 'em
You could have just said "TPTB are not afraid of Snowden or anyone in similar situation, he reveals nothing not already suspected, the media will drop this issue like it's hot, and in any case the apparatus in question are so enormous there is nothing any one person or even a nation of persons can do about it."
Indeed, the nuance is different, but tag that on as well.
This is only the opening salvos........
your off your meds again, I see...
Wow! You a dumbfuck of unprecedented proportion.
And the kicker is, the NSA knows it...
At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet......
you silly twat! how you can confuse a kleptocracy of corporate and political PUS PARADING THEMSELVES AS RIGHTEOUS LEADERS, and "WE" the people/sheeple is beyond me.
THE SHEEPLE WORLDWIDE ARE THE SHEEPLE AND WE STAND TOGETHER AS ONE.
WORLDWIDE, IT IS "US" SHEEPLE, AGAINST THEM!
simple.
At least my friend who has been paranoid for years that 'they are watching him' can't feel special anymore..
I think that Snowden should get more credit for leaving his girlfriend. That would be tough to do. I would even put up with her flowery writing....
Ms Mills will be booking appearances on every network shortly, I'm sure. She does have nice cupcakes, tho...
"I will be satisfied ift he federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
I can't wait to see the real world.
I told someone this once,
They missed Benghazi and they missed the Boston bombing...wtf is prism actually monitoring? That's one international terror attack and one domestic terror attack....
Let's not forget we are dealing with a gov that will be hard pressed to find out where it's next trillion will come from once qe ends and things begin to fall apart...then the aggressive seizure of assets both off shore and onshore based on the most flimsiest of premises thanks to prism will begin....any calls to cayman, Zurich,Singapore,etc etc is enough to belong to a special little file called "to be dealt with later"....
Not to mention IRS, sec, FBI, dhs, etc etc any agency that can extract a nickels worth of fines from you either civilly or criminally will be used...
First comes fraud
Then comes force
The fraud part which we all have been aware of for some time is almost done...
That old George Bush quote now makes sense:
"We're fighting for freedom over there, because we've already lost the battle over here."
We collectively invest way too much trust in all hardware/software vendors.
The Internet, and the protocols designed to establish communication, were designed by the military... What the fuck did you think was going to happen? Oh and do we really think and believe that the NSA is the only entity doing this? Get a fucking clue? SMTP (email) is my favorite, sent in clear text over the wire, all one needs to do is pick a host, grab a packet sniffer and start capturing, filter results by SMTP....it won't be long until you grab personal/private information of any kind (SSNs, CC #s, passwords, user accounts, birthdates, travel plans etc)
Ponder my metaphorical dialog:
"Ok, bye boys"
"Your mom and I will be gone all weekend, we're going out of state to celebrate our anniversary"
"Please don't call us unless it's an emergency, we want some private time, we want to be left alone"
"Don't get into the liquor, don't have your girlfriends over for finger-banging and sure as hell stay out of our room, there are private things in there that are none of your business"
Now, when dad comes home and finds slug tracks on his bed, cash & marijuana missing from his secret stash and several missing bottles of tequilla and whiskey (not to mention half his ammo for is guns is gone), does he really have the right to be pissed? ...or should Dad have realized trust should never be granted to those with idle time, nobody watching them and seemingly plentiful resources at their disposable, regardless what kind of resources they are?
Unplug and cancel it all, start with your iPhone (one of the most advanced, and widely accepted, means of being tracked...and you're paying your carrier and Apple 100's to do it)
Rathole food, water, ammo and medical supplies, bitches. I'm long blood, bullet holes, chaos and shattered dreams...sorry kids.
If you say Snowden is a traitor then you are saying: 1) I am not interested in knowing the truth about what my country is potentially doing to my constitutionally protected personal freedoms. 2) I am content living in a country where my every phone conversation, e-mail, movement from one point to another, purchase at department stores, purchase online, payment to a political group etc... will be tracked by the government. 3) I want the government to think for me because I am not capable of thinking for myself. 4) It is ok if any government entity comes to my house and searches the premises at anytime, for any reason without a warrant specifying what they are looking for, who they are looking for, how long they have to look for something. 5) Millions of American Soldiers died for no reason at all.
My Mother was not suprised by this as she does not support what NSA is doing trampling on our privacy and our Constitution hence why she refuses to post anything online in any public forum. She has felt for years the Government has been spying on us in many ways and I think she got this from my deceased Father who was a 26 year Navy Master Chief Cryptologist from 61-87. I am sure he probably shared some things with her.
I only remember my Father telling me once something about the US Spying capabilities and that was back around 1980-81 time frame when he said our satelite capabilities were so good they could read the writing on a guy holding a pack of cigarettes in Russia and they could eavesdrop on telephone calls from space. And this was 1980 so I know we have the ability now to get any communications we want.
I know as a Navy brat growing up my Father was assigned to the Naval Security Group Activity AKA NSGA and they had listening post all around the world often referred to as bullrings for the massive antanaes surrounding the buildings to intercept ALL signals and forward them to most likely Fort Mead.
We lived in all kinds of strange places and these listening post were usually on military bases except the one in the Azores. It was 10 miles on the other side of the Island from Lajes Air Force Base.
Spying has been going on a long time and sigintel gathering has been around a long time and even here in the US the NSGA has listening post at many US bases. What better cover to use for domestic signal intelligence gathering then the already existing NSGA stations at domestic bases. My point is that NSA doesn't have a super antanae at Fort Mead that gathers these domestic signals they rely on the military infrastructure already in place to forward collected signals to them via secure lines from all around the world including the US.
If it is transmitted in the air then NSA has it. Now we find the Internet is another means of gathering communications just as fax communications were gathered via phone companies.
Once NSA gets into quantum computers if they aren't already that is when the reams of data collected will be able to be deciphered quickly and effectively based on whatever criteria they set. I am betting that is why they are now building the super data storage facility in Utah as they have advance their computer technology to that level that can handle that amount of data mining and processing.
As I type this I know it will end up in their data collection and I could get a visit from some government agency such as "No Such Agency" or other alphabet as they will have my IP address for my router.
It is sad that in a supposive free country we now have to fear what we type and post and that even emails aren't private. I would like to know just how much they are paying companies like Apple, Google, AOL, and many others to allow them unfettered access to their servers or is it that they are hacked by NSA and stolen from them?
I have trouble understanding people who think for the sake of safety it is ok for our government to trample on the protections of the constitution against this type of government surveilance against its own citizens. I hope somebody is held accountable and if our President was aware and condoned it that he is impeached.
The likely outcome will probably be similar to the outcome we saw in the state department fiasco and nobody will trully be held accountable and the machine of government will just continue on to erode our freedoms unchecked.
It's a turf war between the NSA and CIA writ large...with unimited intercepts, the NSA has probably got a trillion or more made in the markets since the 90's using inside info.
see article here:
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/did-someone-help-ed-snowden-punch-a-hole-in-the-nsa/
Makes a lot of sense to me
And the really insane and ridiculous thing is that far from being mortified, by a tsunami of shame, for what it has degenerated into, the idiotic US Govt regards the guy to have betrayed Big Brother, the Security State! When did he pledge allegiance to Big Brother? When did he pledge to defend and protect Big Brother?
Isn't that missing the whole point of having a professional 'public service' in the first place?
I have known the US was the baddest bad-guys for a long time now, decades. I've been impervious to the propaganda myths, since a teen, I was awake to it long before I left high school. You really have to be completely blind not to notice how rotten and insane the US Govt is.
Robert B McNamara openly and forthrightly admitted, in the Fog of War, that he and all of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff were acting like outright war-criminals, and he was only talking about WWII at that stage, he was not even talking about what they then did in Vietnam, and in Cambodia. Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in December 1973, right after being the mastermind of murdering millions within Indochina, and the scum-sucking filthy cunt is still walking around free and breathing today!
That is what the United States Govt is, a filthy nest and home-base of flagrant war-criminals of unprecedented savagery and brutality.
McNamara also said that if the US had lost WWII, that he, and the Joint Chiefs, and General Lemay and the senior US leaders would have undoubtedly been executed as war-criminals.
You don't hear that on the MSM ... and that's the whole problem. Instead we have all been force-fed this multi-generational great-lie, that the US Govt saved the world from terrible evils in WWII. No, they didn't save a damn thing! It continued on thereafter, they kept murdering millions more, again and again in the following decades, and lied and propagandized it, more and more each time.
But you won't ever hear a gutless immoral arsehole like the Diane Sawyer, or Matt Lauer demanding Obama and Bush be immediately arrested, tried and hanged. Lehrer won't ever do it. You won't hear it from any of them, because they themselves are the chronic liars and the generators and purveyors of the trenchant dishonesty that has gotten us to this darkest of global dead-ends.
The cult of personality has been more insanely applied in the USA than it was used in Stalinist Soviet Union, or in North Korea - today! The only real difference is we didn't paint giant murals on buildings and build enormous statues to the El-Presidente. Nope, we had the dementing sickness of Hollywood lie-making and its endless reinforcement instead. And that's the lie that must finally be torn-down and looked at honestly.
And +100 more for this."Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in December 1973, right after being the mastermind of murdering millions within Indochina, and the scum-sucking filthy cunt is still walking around free and breathing today!"
If the U.S. government continues to act like a Big Brother police state, then the rest of the world will eventually conclude that is exactly what we are. At that point we become the "bad guy" and we lose all credibility with the rest of the planet.
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The situation has been going on for years. The US is the mecca of 'americanism' on Earth.It will never lose credibility with 'americans' all around the world as long as the US keep doing what 'americans' expect the US to do.
That includes spying.
For every one around the world, the US retains its credibility as the mecca of 'americanism'.
Ah ah, AnAnonymous displaying his dancing monkeyness. Made me laugh.
Chinese citizenism citizens, always willing to pass the bad consequences onto others, never foot the bill.
Chalk it up to eternal nature.
You don't seem to understand what Mecca is, and where. Don't let angry salafists hear that ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6
Operation Paperclip brought Nazis to the USA, and they continue their aims under the Rockefeller/Rothschild zionist Trilateral Commission agenda which deliberately ruined Germany, Russia, and now seeks to do the same to Europe, the Middle East and the USA (its finest prize if it can get away with its Stasi ways).
Interesting to see recent released diaries of Rosenberg, Hitler's helper. It reveals the Nazi thinking which is NOT for jews, gentiles, nor any other decent person. It is all for power in the hands of the few at the expense and death of the many.
Remember that the American Communist party disbanded after it said the Democrat Party adopted its agenda. Latterly, so does the Republican Party with its freak show like McCain, and any other lil pet paid by the international financiers and betraying the Constitution. Paid to be stupid, and just take the money, like a good lil apparatchik.
Nazis were easily assimilated because nazis were fascinated by 'americanism'. 'Americans' did the things the right way, nazis thought.
When brought to the US, through little adjustment,they were allowed to become what they always wanted to be: 'americans'.
Don't get over carried with your own cheap propaganda.
In the Chinese citizenism world, Tibetans and Uyghurs would not riot under any case as they would never get the upper moral ground and their riot will be depicted as the product of rag tag, subhuman trash that do not deserve to live and whose presence is already pollution.
The Chinese citizenism citizen nature is eternal gives for that example that the outcome is known for sure.
Although I agree with the sentiments of cougar_w below, I must add my thought that this isn't going to last much longer. We are fast reaching a catharsis of sorts before 2020 and I'd be surprised if there wasn't a major breakdown before 2030. That just isn't that far away, even if it seems like it.
Folks it takes a well maintained power grid and tons of energy and intelligent, motivated people to even think about doing what the NSA is doing. And even if they succeed, what are they going to find out? That everybody is surfing for porn and posting meaningless drivel on the internet?
We are going bankrupt trying to contain a few goat herders in the Middle East. We can't even prevent the takeover of the southwest by Mexicans. We certainly can't balance the budget.
Look around. I see a deteriorating, old infrastructure and obese, depressed, or psychotic looking people everywhere I go.
There's just nothing going right, and when the time comes nobody is going to escape with their power and loot intact. Not the NSA, not the banks, not any ethnic group, not any industry, nobody.
My children will live long and prosper, as God is my witness, by my hand and will.
This the Republic, without artificial boundaries, not the whining 'democracy'.
Best wishes to you and yours.
Give all to the Republic, or surrender to your slave master.
Hasn't it occured to you that the infrastructure falling apart and the Mexican invasion is all part of a master plan? The slow destruction of the USA along with the rest of what once was the Christian democracies is happening right before our eyes.
WW2 started by the Nazis under Hitler was the trial run. What's happening now is the real thing. What stopped Hitler was the USA that was still a genuine Christian nation. Why do you think the war on Christianity in the West has been so intense? Only Christianity and Judaism are targeted. When the homosexual lobbies attack the Boy Scouts and Chick-Fil-A they are actually attacking Christianity. When they demand gay marriage, some have admitted that even if they get the right to marry they won't stop until they destroy marriage entirely.
This is a war of religions between the followers of YHWH and the followers of Lucifer (aka as the greatest impersonator, among other pseudonyms) and no-one can be neutral.
Obama debates Obama on our rights and wiretaps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8&feature=player_embedded#!
How the Founding Fathers viewed General Warrants
https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/generalwarrantsmemo.pdf
The German American contingent in the USA is strong and loyal. Interesting that the German government wants answers from Obama on the 21st century U.S. administration Stasi ways. Something O'bomba continues, begun by the Bush nazionists, and their masters: the Rockefeller/Rothschild Trilateral Commission which routinely thanks Editors of mainstream media for complying.
It's a process; people having their say. Unfortunately, the Trilateral Commission and its favored apparatchiks like the Clintons, Rahm Emmanuel, John Kerry and freak McCain do believe: never let a crisis go to waste.
So, the Borg will look, listen, and probably bring back segregation: this time on the internet; separate country from country so the globalists can march on, jackboot style, without the people of the globe talking to each other; speaking truth to power.
This is a huge embarrassment to "patriots" and their "not time yet" mentality.
It was "time" a long fucking time ago, cowards.
But you're right in a way. It's not time anymore. Your window of opportunity has ended. No fucking way could you take on this huge govt now with any hope of achieving anything ...except your deaths perhaps.
fucktall,
You are an agent provacateur; confused.
It's Germany 1940 and you idiots think you're going to take on Hitler ...some day.
Morons.
Darwin award candidates.
fucktall,
You speak like George Soros, the jew whose father leant him to the Nazis to steal the property of jews, just so his son George Soros could survive, and Soros the major funder of the 'Democrat Party', and his ilk chose Obama to put a multi culti face on their ugly, bankrupt unregulated otc derivatives which would kill them unless they get innocents to pay for them.
And now they are getting rid of Obama to put their next placeman in position prior to the next election.
Their next puppet will probably proclaim: truth for all! End government lies! Security, safety for all!
What a load of bollox. Same old monarchists, vatican, international financiers; different brand name.
I believe you're correct. When the news media starts to turn on Obama then you know it's time for this lame-duck president to be replaced by the next puppet.
Hilary has gone silent of late. The powers-that-be know that the public has a very short memory and Bengazi will be forgotten before the 2016 election.
Lots of time to promote the next sacrificial lamb.
Is nothing more precious to you than your life?
Pot - kettle, idiot. You cowards won't be getting off your gutless asses and risking your lives anytime in the foreseeable future, I guaran-fucking-tee it.
They will never get my ZeroHedge password .... right, right, right Tyler?
is it "noneedtobeparanoidanymorecositstrue"?
No, it's
"ju5tb3c0zurn01dn01dd0ntm3anth3yr3n0taft3ru"
Quote: "The fact that we are collecting trillions of pieces of information on people all over the planet is a massive embarrassment and the fact that our politicians are defending this practice now that it has been exposed is a massive embarrassment." endQuote
At a party a few years ago there was a guy who said he knew "for a fact" that foreign diplomats/visitors/etc. to US federal or UN buildings had their feces flushed into inspection bins where we'd be able to figure out what they were eating, if they were ill or diseased (think H Chavez), and if they were using drugs and thus, prone to blackmail.
We all laughed and grossed out at the thought of having to inspect through Hillary Clinton's dook, and never thought of it again.
Now, it seems like it's not that far off for this paranoid gov't to fish through sht in the name of 'national security'
Never mind deep throat. Times move on. It's now deep shit.
The Trilateral Commission is out of control, and out of their minds; using the old ploy of 'need to know', so that a good person doing a wrong thing can honestly say they were only following orders, and lie for their employer, yet believe the wrong thing.
'First they came...'
An excellent poem written as a result of the Nazis killing jews and gentiles alike, while the international financiers and their central banks and their chosen politicians admired Hitler, promoted him...and then suffered convenient amnesia when their crimes were discovered...yet shipped their favorites to the USA to continue the program under 'Operation Paperclip'.
Google 'Operation Paperclip' , 'Operation Northwood', 'Operation Gladio', and you will see why the Trilateral Commission shadow world government hate you, me and anyone outside their Bilderberg Group dupes, the politicians paid by us to support their naziionism which cares only for power - not jews, gentiles, nor anyone else.
Deep shit indeed...
If what he claims is true, he's a hero. If not, he's a traitor.
As far as him having "violated his oath," etc., almost every political office holder in Washington does that daily.
Obama does it every time he takes a breath.
You can't violate something that isn't lawful. Any None Disclosure Agreement he may have signed won't be valid and as a federal contractor he should be protected under the federal whistleblower act unless of course its a matter of National Security exception/Sic
GOD BLESS THIS HERO AND DAMN THOSE THAT STAND AGAINST HIM!
For Liberty, Edward!
Snowden saw probably 10% of what they are doing if that..... There should be one mother of a database somewhere that this feeds.... The taps into Visa and Mastercard have yet to come out. The Boston esq camera system should come out.... I would hazard to guess within seconds they could tell where you are within 10 feet, what you bought at the grocery (no credit card, how about a store discount card?). determine by your water usage if you showered today, etc, etc..... lets see what happens when this comes out...
I hear an airpl
oops..looks like it was a drone
His Name is Edward Snowden
Total local, state, federal law enforcement plus active and reserve military equals 3,247380. If just 2% of the hoodlum punks in U.S. population revolt = 6,300,000. We citizens will have to help out.
oops...simultaneous.almost!
You'd be damn lucky to get 1/10 of 1%. By your math that's 315,000. Still high. More like 100,000. Then you have no organization, no leadership. Eveybody doing their own thing. Confusion and chaos.
Good fucking luck with that.
And why count on "hoodlums and punks" doing the dirty work? What about you middle-class "patriot" gun owners?
Oh by the way, "hoodlums and punks" are alerady recruited, firmly in govt's camp, supplied with nice govt weapons when called up, and they'd love killing you middle class "whiteys".
Suspect that's where much of that DHS ammo and weapons would end up.