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Germany Demands Obama Explain "American-Style Stasi Methods"

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When even Zee Germans are staring open-mouthed at what they call "American-style Stasi methods" you know things have got a little out of hand. As Reuters reports, German outrage over a U.S. Internet spying program has broken out ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, with ministers demanding the president provide a full explanation when he lands in Berlin next week and one official likening the tactics to those of the East German Stasi. "The more a society monitors, controls and observes its citizens, the less free it is," Merkel's Justice Minister exclaimed, adding, "the suspicion of excessive surveillance of communication is so alarming that it cannot be ignored." While Obama has defended it as a "modest encroachment" on privacy and reassured Americans that no one is listening to their phone calls, the Germans reflect "I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell."

 

Via Reuters,

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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman has said she will raise the issue with Obama in talks next Wednesday, potentially casting a cloud over a visit that was designed to celebrate U.S.-German ties on the 50th anniversary John F. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.

 

Government surveillance is an extremely sensitive topic in Germany, where memories of the dreaded Stasi secret police and its extensive network of informants are still fresh in the minds of many citizens.

 

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"The more a society monitors, controls and observes its citizens, the less free it is," she said.

 

"The suspicion of excessive surveillance of communication is so alarming that it cannot be ignored. For that reason, openness and clarification by the U.S. administration itself is paramount at this point. All facts must be put on the table."

 

Markus Ferber, a member of Merkel's Bavarian sister party who sits in the European Parliament, went further, accusing Washington of using "American-style Stasi methods".

 

"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.

 

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Obama has defended it as a "modest encroachment" on privacy and reassured Americans that no one is listening to their phone calls.

 

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Peter Schaar, the German official with responsibility for data privacy, said this was grounds for "massive concern" in Europe.

 

"The problem is that we Europeans are not protected from what appears to be a very comprehensive surveillance program," he told the Handelsblatt newspaper. "Neither European nor German rules apply here, and American laws only protect Americans."

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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:30 | 3646715 RacerX
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ah this is where it starts getting interesting.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:33 | 3646725 true brain
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"but we learnt it from you." Obama.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:34 | 3646745 maskone909
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They pulled yo skirt up B

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:36 | 3646754 Pladizow
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Obama: One Big Ass Mistake America

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:37 | 3646764 Supernova Born
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"Stasi-style"?

The Stasi only dreamed of these capabilities.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:41 | 3646784 Pinto Currency
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Merkel, the former communist organizer, wants answers.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:45 | 3646809 ParkAveFlasher
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Pots and kettles clanging loudly against one another.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:13 | 3646945 jbvtme
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"the lives of others"...great movie about east germany before the wall fell

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:14 | 3646950 knukles
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OK... What's the line on mooch going to meet Angie?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:19 | 3646982 Element
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    The world is not supposed to rotate in this direction.
Edward Snowden: Russia offers to consider asylum request

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/edward-snowden-russia-asylum...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:32 | 3647047 knukles
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Sure glad all this shits being reported in the British newspapers.  Makes me feel right at home in the Matrix....  Say did you all see Tebow's comments?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:22 | 3647306 Aurora Ex Machina
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Don't you love the irony? There's hope that if you're presented with some (vaguely, ish, diluted) honesty, things don't have to be so batshit crazy pants. It's only a theory, so welcome to where the Wild Things Are!

 

Your MSM loves you being batshitcrazypants; easy to sell you fear remedies.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:38 | 3647379 francis_sawyer
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The biggest irony of all is that all this crack reporting is being furnished to you courtesy of Rothschild owned REUTERS...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:40 | 3647390 Aurora Ex Machina
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Never said it was my theory.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:57 | 3647465 francis_sawyer
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Just reminding everyone that nothing escapes the ever constant eye of Sauron

~~~

Only difference is that some are Orcs [who fight for the cause], some are Hobbits & Elves... & there's always a few Smeagols in the crowd too who are willing to LEND you a hand if it means staying close to the Precious...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 16:25 | 3647577 Greyhat
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And Moerkel forgot to tell us, that the German Counselers Office itself and the BND are the housekeepers of the NSA data slurping machinery in Germany. Thats why germany is orange on their map, they get everything they want here. :)

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=...

Moerkel just wants to say "do us a pleasure and make shure your ops in Germany dont pop up in the media, we have elections in september"...

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:35 | 3647061 NoDebt
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Putin is licking his chops.  Get an intelligence asset AND poke the US in the eye at the same time.

Russians play chess.  We play checkers.  (Another ZH member goes a bit further by saying "we eat the checkers," which I thought was a great line, worthy of repeating.)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:02 | 3647200 JimBowie1958
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Russians play chess.  We play checkers.

lol, good joke, but no, checkers is not our chess, ie parlor game of choice among adult males.

Poker is. Chess has the same set up everytime, while poker gives you random cards at least some of which are face down and hidden. Chess is purely mental strategy and analysis, poker requires strategy and analysis as well as the ability to think from the perspective of other people and read their cues.

Chess is the parlor game for ideologues who prefer to think in an abstract world of perfect peices and standardized, equal starting points. Poker is real life; unfair, partially hidden and disguised, and you play what you get.

Chess is for egg heads, poker is for people who prefer real world challenges, lol.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:16 | 3647276 TuesdayBen
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Au contraire. We Americans prefer slots. Sit on you fat ass for hours. Free drinks. Cheap buffet, all you can stuff down. TV like graphics and thought-numbing noise. And a guaranteed losing proposition.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:19 | 3649916 JimBowie1958
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Nah, thats the retired Americans whose memories wont let them play poker any more...them and women.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:03 | 3647213 Jim in MN
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Thus passed the once-great Republic, in a puff of Cheerios dust.

 

<sniff>

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:58 | 3646867 Ban KKiller
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Yes, a fascist love fest between two criminals who deny in public their ongoing crimes.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:34 | 3647873 Kirk2NCC1701
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Merkel wants answers?

The answer is:  Do the same thing you did when you had to live with the DDR Stasi as you now have with the USSA Stasi. 

Adapt & counter, in your own German way: Low-tech asymmetry eventually beats the demands of hi-tech bandwidth.  :-)

I.e. Be careful what you say to whom, and where.  In the meantime, deluge the system with useless Noise.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:42 | 3646793 Oh regional Indian
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Total bullshit coming from a country (germany) that lives in a virtual mental lockdown.

Denying the hollowcost is a crime in Germany.

And they complain about this?

All zis huffing and puffing is just drama.

 

ori

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:56 | 3646860 pods
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Ya kind of lose the moral high ground when you will toss someone in jail for asking a question.

pods

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:59 | 3646872 CheapBastard
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If this were not the "Summer of Recovery" I'd be really depressed.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:13 | 3646944 Oh regional Indian
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@pods : precisely.

@ cheap b: germany has been in a perpetual summer of recovery since wwii. no wonder they are depressed.

ori

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:35 | 3647062 Svendblaaskaeg
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Please Don't mention zee war

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:15 | 3647271 MeelionDollerBogus
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denying a genocide is the same as calling for more genocide. It has NO purpose but to commit a new generation to a new genocide. There have been so many. The only real immorality here is to declare one genocide more important than the others as "the" holocaust.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:23 | 3648014 Kirk2NCC1701
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Funny (strange), but it's not the Germans who are denying the Holocaust.  Only some Americuns (of German descent?) have that 'challenge'.  If ya know what I mean.

Having said that, millions of Christians --even Catholics -- were murdered.  Hitler was 'Catholic'.  Not to mention the 14 million of Russians who died.  To keep things in perspective and our feet on the ground.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 23:55 | 3653017 MeelionDollerBogus
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I know who's denying what.

http://youtu.be/MraHhPR8M1g

Israel denies Naqba mass graves of Palestinians killed in 1948

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 19:43 | 3648386 Againstthelie
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Absurd and funny:

IM Erika (=Merkel's cover name when she was collaborating with the Stasi in the GDR!) is prosecuting every year more than 10.000 peaceful people for political reasons!

The FRG today has mor political prisoners today, than the GDR ever had.

IM Erika is supporting the US Echelon system, knowing, that it intercepts all phone calls and that it's industry espionage creates a damage of more than 20 billion Euros every year!

What a disgusting regime.

 

ps: for the NSA computers: terror, bomb, Allah, Obama, dead, dirty bomb

pps: fuck you, retarded globalists!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:53 | 3646851 Citxmech
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Never saw this coming.  Hats off to the Germans for speaking up.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 16:30 | 3647598 James-Morrison
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Is "Stasi-Style" the sequel to PSY's "Gangnam Style". 

I can't wait to see Obama star in his first Music Video.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:57 | 3648219 Pinto Currency
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He's not educated enough to appear in a music video.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:37 | 3646768 macholatte
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The really scary part: they've been doing this for years and still make lousy policy decisions.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:38 | 3646769 maskone909
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Damn that has a nice ring good job +1

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:39 | 3646778 cougar_w
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Well some around here (myself included) have observed that TPTB may be throwing O under the bus, the better to get their next patsy lined up for the job in 2016.

If so then I suspect we'll be hearing a lot more about "truth in government" real soon now from the next annointed Fascist leader of the supposedly "free" world.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:52 | 3646848 davinci7_gis
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I agree...the president of Chile sat in Obama's Oval Office chair just the other day...now if that wasn't a total "F" you to his face, then I don't know what is!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:28 | 3648069 Kirk2NCC1701
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They were discussing American investments in Chile, no doubt.  Commodities, farmland.

Which the Mormons are buying up 50x faster than Simon Black and his readers.  Rich Mormons buying up poor Catholics.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:59 | 3648223 Pinto Currency
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Neocons will bring Rand Paul in to really confuse people.

He is most willing to comply and toe (and tow) the neocon line.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:53 | 3646852 reload
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Even the BBC, who went into default damage limitation mode yesterday am are still struggling to get talking heads to interview who will play the game and give them the `if you are doing nothing wrong....bla bla` argument.

Today they had ex M15 head Stella Rimmington on air - who should have been a dead cert to play the game. She did not, pointing out that even if people trust their current governments things should never be put in place that could be abused politically or commercially. Once again the interviewer was left floundering for a way to close the piece on message.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:13 | 3647266 MeelionDollerBogus
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the wonderous BBC is still trying to stop youtubers who uploaded the segment on 9/11/2001 of them calling the wtc7 down 10 minutes before it did, "copyright infringement"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 16:52 | 3647682 cougar_w
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It is coming apart at the seams.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 20:06 | 3648467 throughthelooki...
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Interesting in the UK the story is broken by the Guardian while the Telegraph, another mainstream broadsheet that is also a security service mouthpiece bearly mentions it ... they're probably hoping that if they don't mention it, people will pay more attention to the rugby and cricket ... mind you the Telegraph much prefers security theatre ... rather than security fact ...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:46 | 3646814 TeMpTeK
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"Candidate Obama debates President Obama", starring Barry O...... Don't forget the popcorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:36 | 3648125 Kirk2NCC1701
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Bush & Cheney must be ROTF, laughing their asses off.  Carefully Mr. Cheney, your heart-pump might malfunction (operate outside its design parameters).

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 20:00 | 3648443 Dull Care
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"Let me be clear, most Americans believe___________________________"(<insert bullshit here)-BHO

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