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Germany Demands Obama Explain "American-Style Stasi Methods"
When even Zee Germans are staring open-mouthed at what they call "American-style Stasi methods" you know things have got a little out of hand. As Reuters reports, German outrage over a U.S. Internet spying program has broken out ahead of a visit by Barack Obama, with ministers demanding the president provide a full explanation when he lands in Berlin next week and one official likening the tactics to those of the East German Stasi. "The more a society monitors, controls and observes its citizens, the less free it is," Merkel's Justice Minister exclaimed, adding, "the suspicion of excessive surveillance of communication is so alarming that it cannot be ignored." While Obama has defended it as a "modest encroachment" on privacy and reassured Americans that no one is listening to their phone calls, the Germans reflect "I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell."
Via Reuters,
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman has said she will raise the issue with Obama in talks next Wednesday, potentially casting a cloud over a visit that was designed to celebrate U.S.-German ties on the 50th anniversary John F. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech.
Government surveillance is an extremely sensitive topic in Germany, where memories of the dreaded Stasi secret police and its extensive network of informants are still fresh in the minds of many citizens.
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"The more a society monitors, controls and observes its citizens, the less free it is," she said.
"The suspicion of excessive surveillance of communication is so alarming that it cannot be ignored. For that reason, openness and clarification by the U.S. administration itself is paramount at this point. All facts must be put on the table."
Markus Ferber, a member of Merkel's Bavarian sister party who sits in the European Parliament, went further, accusing Washington of using "American-style Stasi methods".
"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.
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Obama has defended it as a "modest encroachment" on privacy and reassured Americans that no one is listening to their phone calls.
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Peter Schaar, the German official with responsibility for data privacy, said this was grounds for "massive concern" in Europe.
"The problem is that we Europeans are not protected from what appears to be a very comprehensive surveillance program," he told the Handelsblatt newspaper. "Neither European nor German rules apply here, and American laws only protect Americans."
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Der Spiegel is not a happy camper. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-press-us-spying-program...
Hypocritical leftist rag.
Shutup Merkel, you know what comes with the paper banking cartel; a) gold isn't money (yours isn't there!) b) endless wars and Israel are your problems too c) Western world spy grid necessary to keep order.
funny the Germans lecturing everyone about the dangers of hyperinflation, fascism, tyrrany, death camps ...
I guess once you've been down that road you don't ever want to follow it again.....at least until it is forgotten four generations later.
Takes one to know one.
OMG! ... that's just incredible! ...what disgrace ... what a complete global 'loss-of-face'.
If the Nobel Committee had any ethics, morals, or basic scruples they would openly rescind and demand the peace prize award for 2009 be returned.
But of course, they also don't have any.
Hey, let's send some more weapons to Syria, NATO! ... yeah! ... what a great idea!
why couldn't we insult and hack that old fart's commitee till they're forced to do so ?
Obama/NSA has the dirt on the old perverts.
www.drudgereport.com
I'm waiting to hear from Putin and Kim Jong UN.
Obama has defended it as a "modest encroachment" on privacy and reassured Americans that no one is listening to their phone calls.
This is a complete lie. At any time they can play back your phone calls or listen in real-time.
The fact that this capability was developed with taxpayer funds is abhorent.
What the Germans are really thinking is that if Americans are prepared to give up their rights to privacy without a whimper maybe so will Europeans...
can i listen to Obama's phone calls ???? just anti-terrorism standard procedure of course, if i don't find anything to impeach you, you're free to go of course
Just as he constantly lies to us, he will tell Germany that he knows nothing.
HA-HA.
One has to see German political outrage at Obama's anti-democratic surveillance activities in the light of Germany's coming election in September. After all, German security agencies are little better.
I wonder if it's possible for Nobel committee to demand Obama give back the peace prize.
The fucknuts on BOTH sides of our political aisle support this shit. That shows exactly how unfree we have become.
If we are so unsafe that you have to stoop to this government...we want to know WTF is such a great threat to us that we give up our freedoms. ARE WE AT WAR WITH ISLAM OR NOT? Tell us straight up. Give us the truth. Maybe we would appreciate your freedom grab then.
If not...get the fuck outta our business! Fuck you Barrack Obama and Dubya Bush.
Well, we're always at war with brown ppl ... I mean how couldn't we create terrorists while bombing those poor lads for years ??? would you be an afghan or iraki who's family and friends have been killed or mutilated, with no future nor anything to eat ... wouldn't you wanna bomb USA and kill some americans ???? of course you would !
The Democrats embraced Marxism enthusiastically, the Republicans reluctantly.
They're just jealous.
Obama - "I was going to shut down the Bush measures. Then, I was shown pictures of guys junk, that they send out over the internet.... I became addicted and couldn't get enough. The rest is history."
Merkel should get an answer to her demand in....oh, 6-7 years..around the time their gold starts to be received..
None of this makes any sense. The other whistleblower said that they were keeping everything over a year ago at least and he's hanging out in the US. So if you have a powerpoint presentation that makes the revelation real?
LET'S DO A POLL:
GIVE ME AN UP ARROW IF YOU KNEW THIS WAS GOING ON.
GIVE ME A DOWN ARROW IF YOU DIDN'T.
I, too, would like to know about the ABC Media, LTD., Is this the Disney ABC crap? I sure hope Mickey, Donald and Goofy are in no way connected to ZH; otherwise, I'm gonna start wondering wuzzup with ZH. Back on topic, we've been living in the United Stasi of Amerika for a long fucking time. If the U.S. sheeple won't hold Blobama accountable for these encroachments - emphasis on ROACH - at least other nations, not just Deutschland, are asking Barry wazzup with the U.S. gov't. espionage on any nation it wants to. Man, Pepe Escobar was right on with the title of one of his best books: "Obama does Globalistan". Blobama knows when you've been sleeping, he knows when you're awake; he knows if you've been good or bad, so be good for goodness sake!!! Notice how not one bloody fucking member of CONgress quotes Thomas Jefferson, EVER, and written on the Jefferson Memorial are these wonderful words: "I have sworn on the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man".
Americans are so fucking brain dead that it takes foreign governments to hold the US administration's feet to the fire. Pathetic.
maybe she could meet wiith the liberal media here and ask why they keep kissing Obama ass....whem he continues ever worse Chicago thug methods???
d00d.. grow up and turn off the fox.. please? this is systemic...not any one knucklehead.
US: From role model democracy to role model police state.
Maybe we should enlist the Germans to make our stazi-ness more efficient?
SHAMWOW????
We can hold their GOLD for ransom
Remember Jan Brewer was called a nazi for wanting to ask illegals engaging in suspicious activity for their "papers"?
Illegals, if you're not doing anything wrong, just show your papers.
Shit is getting real! Off duty cops collect DNA samples at Alabama roadblocks
http://o.dailycaller.com/thedailycaller/#!/entry/offduty-cops-collect-dna-samples-at-alabama-roadblocks,51b652f5da27f5d9d0dcc3b9/1
CNN reports:
"The man behind of the NSA surveillance leak is dangerous and a "defector," U.S. Rep. Peter King said Monday"
A "defector". Isn't that rich.
Watch as the enemies of freedom and liberty reveal themselves!
Excellent article on RT, couple of days old, but well worth the read.
NSA overreach: When a system of checks and balances breaks down
http://rt.com/op-edge/nsa-overreach-checks-balances-397/
No shit. No one is safe because all the info can and will be used against you. And if you are dumb enough to enter the United States it will be used against you outside a court of law.
Time for nations corporations to take action. It is your civic duty to "do the right thing." Not to mention the fact that your asses are toast if you don't .
The other issue is that whatever gets done about this will not be able to happen through the judicial system (at this point.) It will have to happen as it has historically when mass psychosis enters the social elite.
>>>Time for nations corporations to take action.
How do you think we got to this point? They did.
Definition of Encroach:
1 : to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another 2 : to advance beyond the usual or proper limits <the gradually encroaching sea>
If I had to choose, I'd prefer a German police state to the current filthy, Kosher Marxist/multiculti one.
Verizon, AT&T, Google, and every other U.S. carrier better be shitting a brick right now that the foreign markets don't boycot them or demand they leave. It all ties in globally together, doesn't it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bDqN7sI7RQ
This is what you get when Dems and Repubs start "working together". I would rather they stay at odds and engage in gridlock. I believe this would fit under the heading "be careful what you wish for" Those "bipartisan" measures suck hard!
Who knew the most favored political mantra would be "I spy with my little eye..."
I bet some government narc wrote that in an attempt to indoctrinate us at a very young age. A little "Manchurian Candidate" for the kiddies out there.
POMO fixes everything.
Mutti!
some of you guys get it... most of you are clueless fucktards from "dumbfukistan" (kudos to ZH'er who coined that phrase a few days ago). only puts you a few degrees away from the majority of people who aren't even alive, just walking slave-matter that thinks its own animation indicates life, yet pollutes the consciousness field with the perpetuation of the FALSE story. false history. false truth. that's most of you. enough already with the snowden love. wb i admire you for your creative work. really. no joke, it's some crazy and thought provoking shit. pictures are worth 1000 words. yours are worth 1,000,000...
however,
snowden is a snowjob. snowden has confirmed what we knew already. snowden hasn't revealed any new info. the truth is much scarier than most of you realize. remember, the internet has been around for decades and was SOURCED by the establishment to the private sector. they are just running a typical psy-ops feeler program. reign in the masses. regain confidence. test reactions. identify outliers and those who haven't been seduced by the psychological warfare operations and pseudo-linguistic brainwave bombardment.
This is ZH, where people are smart and gutsy, but still a little close-minded and easily fooled by the Real Powers That Be because the said ZH's still are blinded by religion, race, profiling, slander, and the five senses in general. I mean, the fact that 9/11 is still considered conspiracy theory around here is testament to the fact that people can ACT prgressive and forethinking, but they REALLY dont want to acknowledge that EVERYTHING they know about reality is possibly false. It's possible that you aren't even a real soul. You could be a copy/clone. Aliens are cuckoo stuff right? right. The moon is a naturally occurring object right? right. the sun is made of fire and nuclear processes and stuff right? right...
Not all of us.
There are a few interesting points in all that.
Your comments about reality do apply.
Now. Focus.
I think it's time for you to take your meds.
The Libtards are being seen for what they are; Jack-booted thugs in hippies clothing
Really, no one is listening? Just like no one at the IRS will release our private information to our enemies.
United Stasi of America
i guess the nsa has a new version of [ main core] program updated by several million
Fox News: "State Department accused of covering up prostitution investigation". Well, when the #1 enabler is your #1 at the State Department, what do you think will happen-DuH?! Next scandal please I'm bored!
This is what I was wondering about. Like the Swiss for example. It's now "Out there" officially that the NSA/CIA/XYZ did a black bag job on one of their bankers, Do the Swiss Gov. or Swiss People have questions?
Sounds like Germany has them.
It would be a touching counterpoint to history if somehow Germans saved Americans from Facsism.
What I mean was, it's something like "The Emperor Has No Clothes" moment. I know you you said their goal was to never have that moment. Or at least desensitize you a little bit at a time so there is no effect and it is just accepted.
But with the German's visceral memory of someone they know or relatives had relatives in East Germany and had bugs in their house, looking up public records afterwards of their neighbors spying on them etc.
Merkel has to officially acknowledge it and how that goes down will be very tricky. One misplace statement, Act etc may have an impact on how the world "officially" classifies America.
It just may be the "He Has No Clothes" moment for the world.
One question leads to another.
Here's some pictures of the babe Snowden left behind...not bad. Only enhances his sacrifice.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/11/here-is-the-nsa-whistle-blowers-allege...
RUN EDDIE RUN!!
"Zee Germans"
Germans who speak English generally do not have a problem with the 'th' sound as Latin language speakers do. It is the latter who substitute the 'z' sound for the 'th' sound.
This is election year, and your implicit denial is very telling.
What are you hiding Ms. Merkel?
If there is an email address for the public to send their questions to make general enquiries to either NSA or any USA Government help desk, ZH should ask all viewers to cc the US government on every one of their sent emails, just in case the government didn’t get that one by eavesdropping, a sort of courtesy by cc inclusion.
If enough people started sending all their emails to USA Gov cc it would be spectacular !
Jeezus what a load of crap, all European goverments know what is going on, it is just election bacon, they all in and lying as usual.
We are all Stasi now.
Here is an interesting thought. It is ok for a nation to spy on itself. It is an act of war for another nation to spy on another nation.
Imagine what the NSA has on Bubba?
Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist.
Have they not figured that out yet?
Obama
"Ich bin ein östlich Berliner"
Ex-Stasi Spy Chief Markus Wolf Hired By Homeland Security
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/061204wolfhired.htm
Ex-Stasi “expert” consult with U.S. on homeland security
From the February 2005 Idaho Observer:
http://proliberty.com/observer/20050216.htm
Why have Soviet secret service ‘KGB’, General Yevgeni Primakov, as well as Markus Wolfe, the ex-boss of the ”STASI”, the equally feared former East German ‘State Security Police’ been hired by – and for – the US Gov’t.? http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/12/302870.html