Ron Paul Warns Of Electronic Surveillance Back In... 1984

Tyler Durden's picture

Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

There are three words that come to mind when I think of Ron Paul; principles, credibility and consistency.  Not only is the video below great because we get to see Dr. Paul speak on the Congressional floor thirty years younger, but also because he was adamantly criticizing civil liberties threats in the context of a Republican President, Ronald Reagan.  He warned us about what the NSA and other intelligence agencies are currently doing well before the internet became widespread.  The man is a statesman of the highest order.  Definitely take the time to watch this short video.

 

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SmallerGovNow2's picture

Righto fonz.  how bad do we want it?

dryam's picture

Like so many other things going on now, it's a conspiracy theory until it's not.

markmotive's picture

Former NSA crypto-mathematician: "We are on a slippery slope to a totalitarian state"

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/06/on-slippery-slope-to-totalitarian-...

Taint Boil's picture

 

 

I have watched with disgust how the MSM has alienated, ridiculed and mocked Ron Paul. This guy is 100% spot on and is a hero in my eyes …… amazing foresight …amazing. I wish I would be here 100 years from now to see what the history books say about how “Ron Paul was right”.

redpill's picture

It was a total piss into the wind but I am still happy to have voted for the man as many times as I had a chance to.

HeliBen's picture

Ditto. Voted on paper and with paper fiat, and an avid collector of anything Ron Paul. I have seen him speak on several occasions unaided notewise for an hour to thousands in attendance from teenagers to 80 year olds about things like politics and monetary issues while the cheering was deafoning. I shook his hand once and coward in his presence. He is undoubtably one of the greats of my generation.

Ron Paul 2016? Id go another round!

Manthong's picture


Wisdom.. sometimes it comes with age.

In a similar vein and looking back 30 years.. 

I bought my first personal computer in 1983... a Compaq luggable.

I still have it .. it has a four digit serial number. I have not fired it up in over 20 years, but I believe it will work (must check/replace the battery on the mainboard).

..and this old fart is just now building an 8 core screamer with a 256 Gb SSD and 2Tb of HD.

I don’t play games anymoar...Oh.. and four (4) 1900 x 1200 displays... I have a couple moar of the same if I care to juice it to 6.

Maybe I should adopt the same attitude about weaponry.

Thomas's picture

I think that was a 1994 video, not 1984 (listen carefully).

MountainMan's picture

...but the suit said 84.

BigJim's picture

He's never been very sartorially-aware, our Ron.

Just sayin'! 

Manthong's picture

?? "Total Sartorial Arwareness"  ??

,,sounds like a noble effort to me.

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

In 1984, Boris is having 6-bit Russian built processor with Wood Heat Sink and black market 8-Track Tape for data storing. Sigh. Maybe is time for grade up.

Manthong's picture

+1k^1k  :-)

Popular architecture back then..  particularly in eastern avionics.

..but I know for a fact this one had good old vacuum tubes inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cWdtX3FVteE

XitSam's picture

And I don't see that as a bad thing for a US Congressman.

James_Cole's picture

 

Oh yea, Ron Paul, I've heard of this guy. He's the uber libertarian who spent a zillion years in congress doing nothing but collect a paycheque and recently sued his fanclub (via the UN) to try and steal a webdomain from them. Nothing says principals like whining endlessly about the UN and then running to them the moment they become useful! 

Best part? UN told him to fuck off, leaving his supporters to salute the UN and ask Paul "wtf??" 

Yes, yes - Ron Paul, charlatan of the finest class!

 

Dull Care's picture

Love Ron, and it boggles my mind that he didn't get more support in either 08 and especially 12. I'm lucky to have voted for Ron Paul in 08 even before I was 'awake'. I was a more conventional conservative who realized what a failure Iraq was, and more importantly for me at the time he was the only GOP candidate who  supported legal online poker. I never liked Bill O'Reilly and I vaguely remembered watching Ron Paul kicking his ass on foreign policy.

 

Now I've become more well read on the broader issues of monetary policy and Austrian economics. I'm just glad I was smart enough at the time to vote for Ron and not give a shit about trying to frontrun and pick the 'winner' like so many voters do . It's just a shame more sheeple didn't stumble into learning more about Ron Paul.

Even in this past election, he was way ahead of the curve opposing a border fence. There's no doubt the Gubmint would love to keep everyone penned into this dystopia without any way to leave.

The more you learn about the man, the more you realize that he's a Goliath amongst tadpoles. There's no doubt the day that should be coming when it dawns on everyone how badly we fucked up by not selecting Paul. That is if the ten-second memory public ever decides to become introspective and quit watching the TV and drinking the flouride.

Proofreder's picture

Most will keep on drinking water and watching DWTS until the water pressure drops to zero and the grid goes down.  Ignorant sheeple everywhere - been to a Walmart lately?

Tell someone that their communications are being tapped daily and the general response is "so what, I've done nothing wrong, ever"

There is little hope that anything will change.  B. Obama has shown this to be proven fact.

We have been taken over and they are everywhere.

Excuse me, there is someone at the d

AlvinYork's picture

Were all just frogs sitting in the pot enjoying the water.. all the while we chat about how things are heating up.. -its ludicrous  

NOW, WHERE can we put pressure? Choke Hold those in the position to "see something"- "SAY SOMETHING"   we should all espouse what Ron Paul says on any given day.. become active.. !

FreedomGuy's picture

And what great legacy to freedom do you leave, Mr. Cole? Have you made prophetic predictions 30 years apriori? I did not think so. Sarcasm and criticism can be so cheap. Save the world from your basement.

James_Cole's picture

 

 

Prophetic only for the ignorant. That and your ad hominem aside, I'd love to hear your defence of Paul using the UN to sue his own supporters. How's that fit into his "freedom legacy"?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/paul-sues-supporters-for-co...

(He lost)

 

 

FreedomGuy's picture

Seems you have a double standard on ad hominem attacks. Okay for you to use on Ron Paul, but not so keen to be on the receiving end. If you read carefully, I set you a challenge. Ron Paul has a lifetime of work, speeches, books, lectures, etc. doesn't seem to be a lazy government drone collecting a paycheck as you posit. Don't know the UN case but I trust the guy more than most any I've ever heard.

So what does your lifetime achievement look like in comparison, Mr. Cole? Any inspiring series of books and lectures by you? Ever made any mistakes that should invalidate your life?

BigJim's picture

Mr Cole is; has been; and almost certainly always will be: an ignorant, hypocritical twat, who will twist others' words and deploy any sophistry to 'win' an argument.

He's a troll, pure and simple, with the emphasis on simple.

JimBowie1958's picture

I'd love to hear your defence of Paul using the UN to sue his own supporters.

Those 'supporters' had grabbed domain names (RonPaul.org and RonPaul.com) and only wanted $250,000 for domain names that prevents Ron Paul from having control over his own name on the internet. With 'supporters' like them, who the hell needs back-stabbing grifters? Common decency would have led these so-caled supporters to NOT profiteer from the man they claim to admire.

How's that fit into his "freedom legacy"?

No one has the 'freedom' to exploit other people, including politicians.

James_Cole's picture

Those 'supporters' had grabbed domain names (RonPaul.org and RonPaul.com) and only wanted $250,000 for domain names that prevents Ron Paul from having control over his own name on the internet. 

On the subject of the webdomains - they are PROPERTY and whoever owns this PROPERTY has the rights associated. Something Ron Paul would otherwise be the first to point out. Also, Ron Paul is not the only Ron Paul in the world, he has no more right to that domain than anyone else.

$250k sounds like a more than reasonable price for the domain and mailing lists. Apparently Ron Paul is a big time capitalist...until it comes to things related to himself, then he's happily a communist.  

And of course you ignore the most comical aspect of this story, he went whining to the UN! The same UN he wants disbanded lol 

Fucking pathetic. 

Bay of Pigs's picture

And you're a fucking liar. Do you really think anyone believes your dogshit posts around here? 

"The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is serving here merely as an approved dispute resolution service provider in this private arbitration. The use of WIPO was necessitated because the current domain name owners used an Australian registrar to acquire the domain name. The current RonPaul.com domain name holders subjected themselves to this proceeding in this forum when they registered RonPaul.com with an Australian registrar".

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ron-paul-files-international-copyright-complaint-against-his

James_Cole's picture

Gawd the ignorance. His lawyer was just trying to deflect obvious embarrassment when they were using WIPO exactly as everyone uses it. 

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is one of the 17 specialized agencies of the United Nations. WIPO was created in 1967 "to encourage creative activity, to promote the protection of intellectual property throughout the world.

Based in Geneva, Switzerland, with a further office in Singapore, the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center was established in 1994 to offer Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) options, in particular arbitration and mediation, for the resolution of international commercial disputes between private parties. Developed by leading experts in cross-border dispute settlement, the procedures offered by the Center are widely recognized as particularly appropriate for technology, entertainment and other disputes involving intellectual property.

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/text.jsp?case=D2013-0278

His whole suit was laughable bullshit:

"Respondent contends that the Domain Name is effectively identical to Complainant’s personal name, but Complainant has no registered trademark for his name. Without a registered trademark, Complainant can only satisfy paragraph 4(a)(i) by providing evidence of the accrual of common law trademark rights. However, the name in question needs to be used in trade or commerce as an identifier of goods or services to establish unregistered trademark rights for the purposes of the Policy."

Bay of Pigs's picture

Yeah, right. You are clearly a legal expert on this topic. Muddy the water? All I've ever seen out of you on ZH is misinformation, lying, smearing, etc...

You're a gutless pussy James and I hope karma gets to you before long. You need a good punch in the face. 

 

JimBowie1958's picture

Your hate for Paul and your blatant bias against him is so overwhelming, you sound like one of those Obamaphone freaks.

Yes, the UN has some international orgs attached to it with little control by anyone outside of the security council, but these domain referees were not the threat from the UN Paul was focused on, and you know that you fucking lying peice of shit. You must be a godamned lawyer.

And my main point was simply that your lie that these were Ron Paul supporters is nothing more than that; fucking liars squeezing the dude for what they could get out of him.

BTW, fuck you, shit-for-brains bitch

James_Cole's picture

I think Ron Paul said something about the UN... lemme see here... Oh yea here's the quote:

"The choice is very clear: we either follow the Constitution or submit to UN global governance. American national sovereignty cannot survive if we allow our domestic laws to be crafted by an international body. This needs to be stated publicly more often. If we continue down the UN path, America as we know it will cease to exist."

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul82.html

Submitting to UN global governance, boy that sounds bad! Imagine if the UN was appointed by ICANN for dispute resolution? Thank Gawd no freedom lovers would submit to it's governance!

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/lro/

Now all I need is the bit in the constitution where it says it's OK to steal someone else's property if you feel you should own it...

BTW, fuck you, shit-for-brains bitch

Great argument!

JimBowie1958's picture

Getting redress for injury through the organization with said authority does not prove you agree with them having that authority, Nimrod.

Scarlett's picture

James_Cole : I find out where you are; my bulldogs get real happy for their new ration

James_Cole's picture

 

That's about the level of 'liberty' and intelligence I'd expect from lapdogs.

Point out dear leader is a fraud and we kills yea! No intellectual ability to defend Paul's actions, nope, straight to murder anyone that points out dear leader is a charlatan. 

Forward comrade freedom lover!

 

JimBowie1958's picture

Yeah, and you slandering honest people from the safe anonymity of the internet is so full of integrity?

ROFLMAO.

You are too stupid to pull this attack on Paul off, especially around here. You need to go back to the gay bars and tranny brothels you are normally at where they will swallow anything, you low-life subhuman, dildo-brain, pegging addict.

James_Cole's picture

You are too stupid to pull this attack on Paul off, especially around here. You need to go back to the gay bars and tranny brothels you are normally at where they will swallow anything, you low-life subhuman, dildo-brain, pegging addict.

Yes, tough to keep up with your superior intelligence.

Dr. No's picture

The first rule is do no harm.  Considering every other politician has screwed us over a 1000 times, doing nothing as you say, is actually pretty good.

thestarl's picture

The MSM down here in Oz have always ridiculed Ron Paul  as well TB, personally i think he is a man of integrity.

WarriorClass's picture

The Federal government has declared war on the American people. It's time to pick up your rifles and defend your country, your homes, and your families. Anyone still working for this government is a traitor to the Constitution and the American People, and they are your enemy. Anyone STILL working for the NSA, FBI, ATF, IRS, Secret Service, or politician that has done nothing about Obama's fake ID or the government's transgression of the Constitution should be on your list - and that includes the so-called TEA party "conservative" politicians who have done Nothing to defend the Constitution they swore an oath to defend. The time is now people, or learn to be content in your slavery.   Live free; kill the banksters that control the government.

FreedomGuy's picture

On a different approach, it begins to get easier and more lucrative to live " illegally" rather than asking government permission to move, breathe, trade and eventually live (Obamacare). Now we have new incentive to drop off the grid.

JimBowie1958's picture

Folks, if you want needless bloodshed and ultimately FAILURE, yeah, let these agent provacateurs trick you into taking pre-emptive action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur

There are a huge number of peaceful legal avenues to redress our greivances. Going around shooting people pretneding you are a freedom fighter is the best way to leave TPTB in power.

We still have friends in law enforcement, the government at all levels and wealthy people and THEY NEED OUR HELP not generic condemnation by dubious instigators.

XitSam's picture

Friends my ass. I think those in government and LE are part of the problem no matter what they say. Talk is cheap. Supporting a corrupt government by not making waves to get a pension shows cowardice, not courage. I do not advocate "[g]oing around shooting people" but they are reinforcing tyranny.

JimBowie1958's picture

You are exactly what an agent provacateur would be.

So you are either stupid, corrupt or employed by LEOs to instigate bullshit actions that jump the gun.

Grow a fucking brain.