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Ron Paul Warns Of Electronic Surveillance Back In... 1984

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

There are three words that come to mind when I think of Ron Paul; principles, credibility and consistency.  Not only is the video below great because we get to see Dr. Paul speak on the Congressional floor thirty years younger, but also because he was adamantly criticizing civil liberties threats in the context of a Republican President, Ronald Reagan.  He warned us about what the NSA and other intelligence agencies are currently doing well before the internet became widespread.  The man is a statesman of the highest order.  Definitely take the time to watch this short video.



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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:30 | 3648911 denverdolomte
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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:31 | 3648913 knukles
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We had our chance.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:34 | 3648926 fonzannoon
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We still do.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:40 | 3648944 SmallerGovNow2
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Righto fonz.  how bad do we want it?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:49 | 3648975 fonzannoon
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For anyone who has not seen it. This was awesome.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:04 | 3649021 SafelyGraze
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Who Is Ron Paul?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:08 | 3649036 dryam
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Like so many other things going on now, it's a conspiracy theory until it's not.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:14 | 3649052 markmotive
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Former NSA crypto-mathematician: "We are on a slippery slope to a totalitarian state"

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:02 | 3649150 brockhardman
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1984?  Oh the irony.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:25 | 3649184 Taint Boil
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I have watched with disgust how the MSM has alienated, ridiculed and mocked Ron Paul. This guy is 100% spot on and is a hero in my eyes …… amazing foresight …amazing. I wish I would be here 100 years from now to see what the history books say about how “Ron Paul was right”.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:56 | 3649215 redpill
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It was a total piss into the wind but I am still happy to have voted for the man as many times as I had a chance to.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:30 | 3649251 HeliBen
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Ditto. Voted on paper and with paper fiat, and an avid collector of anything Ron Paul. I have seen him speak on several occasions unaided notewise for an hour to thousands in attendance from teenagers to 80 year olds about things like politics and monetary issues while the cheering was deafoning. I shook his hand once and coward in his presence. He is undoubtably one of the greats of my generation.

Ron Paul 2016? Id go another round!

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 05:14 | 3649347 Manthong
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Wisdom.. sometimes it comes with age.

In a similar vein and looking back 30 years.. 

I bought my first personal computer in 1983... a Compaq luggable.

I still have it .. it has a four digit serial number. I have not fired it up in over 20 years, but I believe it will work (must check/replace the battery on the mainboard).

..and this old fart is just now building an 8 core screamer with a 256 Gb SSD and 2Tb of HD.

I don’t play games anymoar...Oh.. and four (4) 1900 x 1200 displays... I have a couple moar of the same if I care to juice it to 6.

Maybe I should adopt the same attitude about weaponry.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 05:48 | 3649383 Thomas
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I think that was a 1994 video, not 1984 (listen carefully).

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 06:48 | 3649432 MountainMan
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...but the suit said 84.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:06 | 3649445 Thomas
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The suit said $19.94.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:32 | 3649493 BigJim
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He's never been very sartorially-aware, our Ron.

Just sayin'! 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:21 | 3649574 Manthong
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?? "Total Sartorial Arwareness"  ??

,,sounds like a noble effort to me.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:34 | 3649602 Boris Alatovkrap
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In 1984, Boris is having 6-bit Russian built processor with Wood Heat Sink and black market 8-Track Tape for data storing. Sigh. Maybe is time for grade up.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:54 | 3649643 Manthong
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+1k^1k  :-)

Popular architecture back then..  particularly in eastern avionics.

..but I know for a fact this one had good old vacuum tubes inside.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:45 | 3650234 XitSam
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And I don't see that as a bad thing for a US Congressman.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 06:13 | 3649407 Bangin7GramRocks
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Deify much?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:31 | 3649252 James_Cole
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Oh yea, Ron Paul, I've heard of this guy. He's the uber libertarian who spent a zillion years in congress doing nothing but collect a paycheque and recently sued his fanclub (via the UN) to try and steal a webdomain from them. Nothing says principals like whining endlessly about the UN and then running to them the moment they become useful! 

Best part? UN told him to fuck off, leaving his supporters to salute the UN and ask Paul "wtf??" 

Yes, yes - Ron Paul, charlatan of the finest class!


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:30 | 3649259 Dull Care
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Love Ron, and it boggles my mind that he didn't get more support in either 08 and especially 12. I'm lucky to have voted for Ron Paul in 08 even before I was 'awake'. I was a more conventional conservative who realized what a failure Iraq was, and more importantly for me at the time he was the only GOP candidate who  supported legal online poker. I never liked Bill O'Reilly and I vaguely remembered watching Ron Paul kicking his ass on foreign policy.


Now I've become more well read on the broader issues of monetary policy and Austrian economics. I'm just glad I was smart enough at the time to vote for Ron and not give a shit about trying to frontrun and pick the 'winner' like so many voters do . It's just a shame more sheeple didn't stumble into learning more about Ron Paul.

Even in this past election, he was way ahead of the curve opposing a border fence. There's no doubt the Gubmint would love to keep everyone penned into this dystopia without any way to leave.

The more you learn about the man, the more you realize that he's a Goliath amongst tadpoles. There's no doubt the day that should be coming when it dawns on everyone how badly we fucked up by not selecting Paul. That is if the ten-second memory public ever decides to become introspective and quit watching the TV and drinking the flouride.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:55 | 3649540 Proofreder
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Most will keep on drinking water and watching DWTS until the water pressure drops to zero and the grid goes down.  Ignorant sheeple everywhere - been to a Walmart lately?

Tell someone that their communications are being tapped daily and the general response is "so what, I've done nothing wrong, ever"

There is little hope that anything will change.  B. Obama has shown this to be proven fact.

We have been taken over and they are everywhere.

Excuse me, there is someone at the d

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:37 | 3650471 AlvinYork
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Were all just frogs sitting in the pot enjoying the water.. all the while we chat about how things are heating up.. -its ludicrous  

NOW, WHERE can we put pressure? Choke Hold those in the position to "see something"- "SAY SOMETHING"   we should all espouse what Ron Paul says on any given day.. become active.. !

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:11 | 3649295 FreedomGuy
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And what great legacy to freedom do you leave, Mr. Cole? Have you made prophetic predictions 30 years apriori? I did not think so. Sarcasm and criticism can be so cheap. Save the world from your basement.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:29 | 3649306 James_Cole
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Prophetic only for the ignorant. That and your ad hominem aside, I'd love to hear your defence of Paul using the UN to sue his own supporters. How's that fit into his "freedom legacy"?

(He lost)



Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:07 | 3649447 FreedomGuy
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Seems you have a double standard on ad hominem attacks. Okay for you to use on Ron Paul, but not so keen to be on the receiving end. If you read carefully, I set you a challenge. Ron Paul has a lifetime of work, speeches, books, lectures, etc. doesn't seem to be a lazy government drone collecting a paycheck as you posit. Don't know the UN case but I trust the guy more than most any I've ever heard.

So what does your lifetime achievement look like in comparison, Mr. Cole? Any inspiring series of books and lectures by you? Ever made any mistakes that should invalidate your life?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:37 | 3649502 BigJim
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Mr Cole is; has been; and almost certainly always will be: an ignorant, hypocritical twat, who will twist others' words and deploy any sophistry to 'win' an argument.

He's a troll, pure and simple, with the emphasis on simple.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:24 | 3650139 JimBowie1958
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I'd love to hear your defence of Paul using the UN to sue his own supporters.

Those 'supporters' had grabbed domain names ( and and only wanted $250,000 for domain names that prevents Ron Paul from having control over his own name on the internet. With 'supporters' like them, who the hell needs back-stabbing grifters? Common decency would have led these so-caled supporters to NOT profiteer from the man they claim to admire.

How's that fit into his "freedom legacy"?

No one has the 'freedom' to exploit other people, including politicians.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:22 | 3650626 James_Cole
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Those 'supporters' had grabbed domain names ( and and only wanted $250,000 for domain names that prevents Ron Paul from having control over his own name on the internet. 

On the subject of the webdomains - they are PROPERTY and whoever owns this PROPERTY has the rights associated. Something Ron Paul would otherwise be the first to point out. Also, Ron Paul is not the only Ron Paul in the world, he has no more right to that domain than anyone else.

$250k sounds like a more than reasonable price for the domain and mailing lists. Apparently Ron Paul is a big time capitalist...until it comes to things related to himself, then he's happily a communist.  

And of course you ignore the most comical aspect of this story, he went whining to the UN! The same UN he wants disbanded lol 

Fucking pathetic. 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:42 | 3650702 Bay of Pigs
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And you're a fucking liar. Do you really think anyone believes your dogshit posts around here? 

"The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is serving here merely as an approved dispute resolution service provider in this private arbitration. The use of WIPO was necessitated because the current domain name owners used an Australian registrar to acquire the domain name. The current domain name holders subjected themselves to this proceeding in this forum when they registered with an Australian registrar".

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:59 | 3650758 James_Cole
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Gawd the ignorance. His lawyer was just trying to deflect obvious embarrassment when they were using WIPO exactly as everyone uses it. 

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) is one of the 17 specialized agencies of the United Nations. WIPO was created in 1967 "to encourage creative activity, to promote the protection of intellectual property throughout the world.

Based in Geneva, Switzerland, with a further office in Singapore, the WIPO Arbitration and Mediation Center was established in 1994 to offer Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) options, in particular arbitration and mediation, for the resolution of international commercial disputes between private parties. Developed by leading experts in cross-border dispute settlement, the procedures offered by the Center are widely recognized as particularly appropriate for technology, entertainment and other disputes involving intellectual property.

His whole suit was laughable bullshit:

"Respondent contends that the Domain Name is effectively identical to Complainant’s personal name, but Complainant has no registered trademark for his name. Without a registered trademark, Complainant can only satisfy paragraph 4(a)(i) by providing evidence of the accrual of common law trademark rights. However, the name in question needs to be used in trade or commerce as an identifier of goods or services to establish unregistered trademark rights for the purposes of the Policy."

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:04 | 3650789 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, right. You are clearly a legal expert on this topic. Muddy the water? All I've ever seen out of you on ZH is misinformation, lying, smearing, etc...

You're a gutless pussy James and I hope karma gets to you before long. You need a good punch in the face. 


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:07 | 3650806 JimBowie1958
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Your hate for Paul and your blatant bias against him is so overwhelming, you sound like one of those Obamaphone freaks.

Yes, the UN has some international orgs attached to it with little control by anyone outside of the security council, but these domain referees were not the threat from the UN Paul was focused on, and you know that you fucking lying peice of shit. You must be a godamned lawyer.

And my main point was simply that your lie that these were Ron Paul supporters is nothing more than that; fucking liars squeezing the dude for what they could get out of him.

BTW, fuck you, shit-for-brains bitch

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:21 | 3650864 James_Cole
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I think Ron Paul said something about the UN... lemme see here... Oh yea here's the quote:

"The choice is very clear: we either follow the Constitution or submit to UN global governance. American national sovereignty cannot survive if we allow our domestic laws to be crafted by an international body. This needs to be stated publicly more often. If we continue down the UN path, America as we know it will cease to exist."

Submitting to UN global governance, boy that sounds bad! Imagine if the UN was appointed by ICANN for dispute resolution? Thank Gawd no freedom lovers would submit to it's governance!

Now all I need is the bit in the constitution where it says it's OK to steal someone else's property if you feel you should own it...

BTW, fuck you, shit-for-brains bitch

Great argument!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:30 | 3658162 JimBowie1958
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Getting redress for injury through the organization with said authority does not prove you agree with them having that authority, Nimrod.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 06:52 | 3649436 Scarlett
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James_Cole : I find out where you are; my bulldogs get real happy for their new ration

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:27 | 3650634 James_Cole
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That's about the level of 'liberty' and intelligence I'd expect from lapdogs.

Point out dear leader is a fraud and we kills yea! No intellectual ability to defend Paul's actions, nope, straight to murder anyone that points out dear leader is a charlatan. 

Forward comrade freedom lover!


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:10 | 3650816 JimBowie1958
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Yeah, and you slandering honest people from the safe anonymity of the internet is so full of integrity?


You are too stupid to pull this attack on Paul off, especially around here. You need to go back to the gay bars and tranny brothels you are normally at where they will swallow anything, you low-life subhuman, dildo-brain, pegging addict.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:23 | 3650873 James_Cole
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You are too stupid to pull this attack on Paul off, especially around here. You need to go back to the gay bars and tranny brothels you are normally at where they will swallow anything, you low-life subhuman, dildo-brain, pegging addict.

Yes, tough to keep up with your superior intelligence.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:14 | 3649569 Dr. No
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The first rule is do no harm.  Considering every other politician has screwed us over a 1000 times, doing nothing as you say, is actually pretty good.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:43 | 3649264 20834A
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He is our Cassandra.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 05:29 | 3649377 thestarl
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The MSM down here in Oz have always ridiculed Ron Paul  as well TB, personally i think he is a man of integrity.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 04:15 | 3649341 WarriorClass
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The Federal government has declared war on the American people. It's time to pick up your rifles and defend your country, your homes, and your families. Anyone still working for this government is a traitor to the Constitution and the American People, and they are your enemy. Anyone STILL working for the NSA, FBI, ATF, IRS, Secret Service, or politician that has done nothing about Obama's fake ID or the government's transgression of the Constitution should be on your list - and that includes the so-called TEA party "conservative" politicians who have done Nothing to defend the Constitution they swore an oath to defend. The time is now people, or learn to be content in your slavery.   Live free; kill the banksters that control the government.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:10 | 3649451 FreedomGuy
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On a different approach, it begins to get easier and more lucrative to live " illegally" rather than asking government permission to move, breathe, trade and eventually live (Obamacare). Now we have new incentive to drop off the grid.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:28 | 3650157 JimBowie1958
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Folks, if you want needless bloodshed and ultimately FAILURE, yeah, let these agent provacateurs trick you into taking pre-emptive action.

There are a huge number of peaceful legal avenues to redress our greivances. Going around shooting people pretneding you are a freedom fighter is the best way to leave TPTB in power.

We still have friends in law enforcement, the government at all levels and wealthy people and THEY NEED OUR HELP not generic condemnation by dubious instigators.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:58 | 3650288 XitSam
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Friends my ass. I think those in government and LE are part of the problem no matter what they say. Talk is cheap. Supporting a corrupt government by not making waves to get a pension shows cowardice, not courage. I do not advocate "[g]oing around shooting people" but they are reinforcing tyranny.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:12 | 3650828 JimBowie1958
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You are exactly what an agent provacateur would be.

So you are either stupid, corrupt or employed by LEOs to instigate bullshit actions that jump the gun.

Grow a fucking brain.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:56 | 3649143 takeaction
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I have watched this several times.  Billy is an amazing person.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 05:39 | 3649381 I need Another Beer
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@ Fonz

This hit the nail on the head. I have given up on trying to explain to friends and family about what is going on because its pointless. As to Billy's "How do we make this group aware, it has to touch them some how." My answer has always been the same. This bury my head in the sand crowd will become active participants when the same old 3 things happen that always occur eventually. starvation, disease and death. That ought to wake'em up.

My biggest fear is a coordinated terrorist attack on all my favorite breweries.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:51 | 3648981 NoDebt
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Good question.  I sense a ground-swell against this sort of behavior, but it feels hollow and well-managed.  Well within the bounds of acceptable dissent.

The goddamned ratchet only clicks one direction on this sort of stuff.  The wrong direction.  EVERYONE in government wants this sort of control.  EVERYONE.  They just want it to be themselves at the controls.  So they only argue against it enough to play it against the current regime, but preserve the underlying capability for what they hope will be their eventual use.


Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:21 | 3649074 seek
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You're seeing what they want you to perceive with respect to dissent. That's the managed feeling you're getting.

Meanwhile, look at Amazon's sales of 1984, or article activity on reddit -- and those are at a disconnect with the managed perception.

Hopefully more people will pick up on this as well.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:19 | 3649176 CrazyCooter
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These are the words you are reaching for ...

Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.



Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:15 | 3649297 FreedomGuy
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"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.

From the Merkel thread. NoDebt, you are correct. I combine your post with this quotation to say this stuff never ends. Now that virtually all Constitutional protections have been breached we are not only at risk but will probably suffer the consequences. This IRS, AP phone tap, NSA, etc. stuff all come from the same authoritarian place and it is no coincidence that they are happening at the same time.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:28 | 3649250 lolmao500
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The only thing at this point that will change things is a LONG MARCH type of campaign against the US regime, it's supporters, propagandists and financiers.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:05 | 3649557 Proofreder
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Or perhaps a South American-type revolution with the populace in the streets banging pots and pans (in the absence of rifles because the government has achieved confiscation ...

in 2020.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:45 | 3648958 strannick
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Ron Paul. A man for all seasons

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:09 | 3649156 Kirk2NCC1701
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And valid reasons.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 04:37 | 3649346 falak pema
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they said that about Thomas More and he lost his head for it.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:35 | 3650183 JimBowie1958
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Thomas More was quite OK with standing by Henry's side and watching the king murder and rob monestaries across England, allowing Henry to use that stolen wwealth to turn his monarchy into the first absolute monarchy in Western Europe in the modern age, if memory serves me well.

Thomas More got devoured by the same beast he helped to create.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:51 | 3648931 ZerOhead
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Damn but I really miss that straight talking, principled, and loveable old man... even though I didn't always agree with him.

Best politician that money couldn't buy... which proved to be the crux of his MSM / TPTB engineered undoing.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:09 | 3649158 LetThemEatRand
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Unfortunately, his son Rand seems to subscribe to the corporate middle ground, by which I mean the corporate ground.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:16 | 3649459 FreedomGuy
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You know, I have considered similar things as I evaluate various conservatives and libertarians. The purer the ideology, the harder we often judge. I am not sure anyone writing these types of comments here would fare any better if you were evaluated by the rest of us. You might get the social issues right but I might pick apart your economics or monetary policy and call you a fraud or vice versa.

I think Rand's heart is in the right place and the direction he would take us is far better than where we are. You might recall his recent filibusters.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 15:32 | 3651200 mkucstars
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I think Rand needs to appear to suscribe to the corporate middle ground until he gets elected, for that is the only way he has a chance of getting there. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Have just a little faith that he is not like all the rest. Please.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:59 | 3649003 Shell Game
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Homeschool, homeschool, homeschool.  Free-thinkers are the antidote to Statism.


Ron Paul's free K-5 curriculum:


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:46 | 3649203 Buckaroo Banzai
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Any parent who still lets their kid go to public schools is a dangerously irresponsible parent.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:46 | 3649266 MeBizarro
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Yeah because most Americans are well-qualified to teach their kid any kind of math beyond basic geometry/algebra let alone science-related material.  A nation full of home-schooled kids would be a third world country and the entire reason that public education was started & mandatory in the US is because the US workforce in the late 19th century/early 20th century was largely illeriate and lacked even basic rundimentary math skills beyond basic counting. 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:55 | 3649279 Dull Care
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LOL do you really believe most public school teachers are qualified to prepare the next generation?

It seems to me that the US is well on his way to being a third world country with public education.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:01 | 3649285 MeBizarro
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If you say dopey things, it is hard to take you serious.   Yeah I do believe someone who has a BA (and possibly a Master's) in Mathematics/Applied Statistics/Chemistry/Physics/Biology/etc and training, experience & certification is more knowledge and better-prepared than the average US parent to successfully teach kids.  Crazy idea I guess. 

The top tier (20%) of US students in public schools perform as well if not better than any of their counterparts on standardized tests and have very impressive rates of college graduation & higher education attainment.  The issue is the huge gap in the middle and at the bottom.   

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:26 | 3649305 Dull Care
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I've only worked in the public schools for the past three years. My opinion on this is hardly 'dopey'. You are correct that at the top tier, things look great but how much credit belongs to the schools in these cases? I believe these students would excel under nearly any scenario and are generally held back by their lower achieving peers. This isn't to say there aren't special teachers. There are, but many of my colleagues aren't as nuanced as you would like to think.

For example I had to explain to a guy who teaches economics that the US Dollar isn't backed by gold and is essentially on the path to worthlessness. He was incredulous.

Any additional investment in these institutions is malinvestment.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:20 | 3649466 FreedomGuy
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Have you seen what happens when public school teachers are tested? BTW, actual engineers, mathematicians and others are rarely allowed to teach without proper education degrees or certification.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:38 | 3650201 JimBowie1958
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In other words, not allowed to teach witthout proper indoctrination.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:06 | 3650320 XitSam
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You've got it backwards. In my state, you need a degree in Education, not what will be taught. And and tales my friend tells me about the liberal idoctrination at the local state university College of Education would make your head spin. The students in the college are required to regurgitate the liberal talking points or get kicked out of the college. They tollerate no dissent.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:44 | 3649513 GeezerGeek
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Too bad your statements ignore the agenda of the person at the foundation of US public schools, John Dewey. He was awash in all sorts of collectivist/progressive ideals, and interested in using public schools as a method of shaping the thinking of all those young, malleable minds.

Further, your thoughts on American literacy are misplaced at best. Literacy in America was very high at the time of the revolution. If America was less literate one hundred or more years later it may have a lot to do with the massive influx of immigrants in the last quarter of the 1800s. Facts don't support your assertions.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:30 | 3649598 Chaos_Theory
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RE homeschooling and higher-end mathematics...gosh I wish some really smart people would create digital education programs, or maybe upload YouTube videos of truly great teachers covering all those difficult subject areas. 

RE the history of the U.S. public education system, just remember JD Rockefeller's General Education Board's dream of turning us all into assembly-line robots...

""In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are. So we will organize our children and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm." - General Education Board, Occasional Papers, No. 1"

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 09:09 | 3649660 gaoptimize
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A colleague left my employer to get his PhD in math.  As part of his fellowship program, he is now a TA for algebra at the University of Arizona.  That's right:  UofA freeshman are taking (mindless, rote) algebra because they are too dull, and were poorly instructed, to pick it up in highschool.  The fact is home schooled children out-perform public school children.

My 1st grade daughter brings home a book that is the liberals' interpretation of Aesop's "Ant and the Grasshopper".  The grasshopper is a musician partying and playing all summer while the ant works storing food.  When the winter comes, the ant decides the grasshopper can stay with him and share his food because "well, you did entertain us."

I will be pushing through the RonPaulCurriculum with my daughter after school, but I also spend a good deal of time de-programming her.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 17:16 | 3651603 FreedomGuy
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We need more parents like you. I taught my kids critical thinking in high school.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:38 | 3649968 The Third Man
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@meBizarro...Passing over the obvious mistakes in your punctuation, grammar and spelling, your ignorance concerning the nature of homeschooling, and the history of the public education movement is evidence enough that you're ill-equiped to engage in any serious discussion. Go back to school, dude.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:49 | 3649274 Dull Care
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I'm jealous of the youth who will go through the Ron Paul homeschool curriculum.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:01 | 3649006 Pareto
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When the people turned their back on Paul during and after the RNC, it was then that I realized that change, meaningful change will never come peacefully through a perceived democratic process riddled with rule changes, ballot stuffing and other shinanigans.  Quite frankly had Paul been elected, the $INDU would be back to the mean of around 9000, maybe less, prices would have fallen, government pared significantly, the debt would not be $17T, rates would be a modest 4 or 5%, and you would get to keep more of what you earn with dollars that bought more per unit, even if you were nominally paid less (which is what happens in a recession - prices find demand).  Entitlements would have been means tested, and savers would be rewarded by risk takers who carefully will have measured the expected value of their endeavor.  Why was this option so fucking bad that the people instead elected to celebrate the status quo which common sense tells you is a one way ticket to absolute ruin.

Oh I know, its not the people's fault.  There are other dark forces, the winner already picked, and so on.  But, if the people REALLY wanted change, they could have - we see it everywhere else in the world.  The Republic has to drop democracy, in my opinion, because the rule of law doesn't matter when 50% +1 say it doesn't matter.  The Constitution is being tossed aside for the prospect that somebody, somewheres, is going to provide you with a free lunch (or phone).  Free men, as defined by the Constitution, did/do not require State consent and Liberty was/is defined not by what that state says you can do, but simply by a couple of rules that delineate what you can't do, which for the most part emobodied the Commandments and the golden rule (Luke 6:31).  But they laughed at Paul for that too in South Carolina.

Nope.  Change will never come by rational discussion of principles.  It will come by terror, crisis and bloodshed.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:40 | 3649193 CrazyCooter
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For what it is worth, the state of AK electected "non-traditional" republicans to state office (e.g. chair/vice-chair). I wouldn't go as far to say they were pro-Paul, just not blindly traditional/establishment.

What has occurred since then is a complete disaster of charges, removals, and general mayhem. The state has not been allowed to participate in national meetings.

I case it was missed, Debbie was the VICE chair (who was also removed). She was also a life long Republican, actively involved in the party.

AK was one of maybe five or seven or ten states that fell outside the standard Republican line. I am not sure what happened in the others (this is all barely touched in the news at all).

I am so cynical, I am not even buying into the Snowden story. This is just advertisement that the water temp is going up.

Prepare to be boiled.




Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:50 | 3649528 GeezerGeek
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Reading the article reaffirmed my suspicion that the GOP 'establishment' will do whatever it can to prevent conservatives from positions of power or influence. While happy to collect the votes of tea partiers, nothing must be untried in an attempt to prevent ascension to power of any conservative. Look what they did to Rep. Allan West in Florida, redistricting him out of office.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:39 | 3650480 marathonman
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Watching the media cover and coverup the RNC nomination in 2012 pretty much sealed the deal for me that the fix was in and that I really needn't bother with voting.  I've been a political refugee since then.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:49 | 3649273 world_debt_slave
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just proves the gov ignores our liberties and freedom and does what it desires with impunity.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 03:31 | 3649324 RichardP
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This link should replace the link in johngaltfla's post below:

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:32 | 3648922 johngaltfla
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Ron Paul missed the point. It was never intended to stop terrorism or attacks on the American citizenry. It's all about obtaining and keeping the illuminati in power:


The NSA Scandal Explains how Mitt Romney Lost the Election

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:59 | 3649004 johnQpublic
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comment redacted

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:08 | 3649032 Republi-Ken
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Your Nuts Bozo.

Who can possibly "keep power" by knowing what chick you are banging

or what your last call to order Pizza Hut was and what you ordered.

Conspiracy Wackos.

The "Illumnati"

If they even really exist, dont need surveillance to hold power.


They have the money and dont give a fuck about your phone calls.

Ran Paul-Ron Paul-Libertarian Morons. 

And that Idiot Cheerleader Dyler Turden

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:14 | 3649051 samsara
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Right, and Fuck you very much

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:20 | 3649069 Pareto
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The words "chick", "banging" and "pizza hut" in the same sentence essentially limit your IQ score to about 90 according to Mensa.  sorry becauase that is unfortunate, and oh yeah, prepare to be down arrowed over 100 times.  Mine was the first.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:40 | 3649118 Bunga Bunga
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You have been brain dead over the last 30 years. 

Elliot Spitzer is a great example how private information is (ab)used to control and retain power.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:41 | 3650487 marathonman
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Eric Holder?  Is that you?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:41 | 3649119 RaceToTheBottom
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NSA got your link

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:17 | 3649173 Kirk2NCC1701
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Fuck 'em, if all their Will Huntings can't differentiate between genuine threats, and dissent based on love of country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Got principles, got balls? Then fucking use them.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:35 | 3648929 logicalman
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My eyes are ready, They're focusing on you. I'm watching every move and all you do. I see you everywhere, I'm here and now I'm there. Nowhere you can hide, you're still in view.
And when the shutter's open, Images on my screen, Sent to the people waiting, People you've never seen, 'cause
[Chorus]I am a camera, Looking at pictures of you. I am a camera. [ From: ] SMILE, Now you see me, now you don't.
I'm always working, At night and in the day. I'm your security, that's what they say. And if you think you're free, Then turn your back on me. I'll catch you as you look the other way.
And when the shutter's open, Images on my screen, Sent to the people waiting, People you've never seen, 'cause


Gentle Giant - 1980

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:05 | 3649022 johnQpublic
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Up here in space
I'm looking down on you.
My lasers trace
Everything you do.
You think you've private lives
Think nothing of the kind.
There is no true escape
I'm watching all the time.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
Always in focus
You can't feel my stare.
I zoom into you
You don't know I'm there.
I take a pride in probing all your secret moves
My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
Electric eye, in the sky
Feel my stare, always there
There's nothing you can do about it.
Develop and expose
I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm elected. Protected. Detective. Electric eye.


judas priest


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:16 | 3650371 XitSam
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"In The Beginning"

[First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

[Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

[First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.

[Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

Graeme Edge 1969 (Moody Blues)

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:21 | 3649179 Kirk2NCC1701
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Gentle Giant!? Christ, that brings back college dorm mammaries... Three weeks in Spain, three weeks insane. ;-)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:42 | 3648950 samsara
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Standing Clapping for;

The Greatest President America Never Had

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:54 | 3648988 QE49er
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"Intelligence Officials talk about 'Disappearing' NSA Leaker"

This was the first thing that came into my mind:

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:56 | 3648994 infinity8
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Exactly why none of the recent revelations are news. the .gov always has the leading edge in technology and always has. And if they "can", of course they will. From the Snowden quote post:

#15 "I don't want to live in a world where there's no privacy, and therefore no room for intellectual exploration and creativity."

The best and brightest are identified and made offers they can't refuse. Been going on for a very long time - TPTB have always been one step ahead re technology and that's why it appears in MSM from TV to books to movies before it's "real" for everyonr else. AV, CG, 3D . . . they have it first.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 22:57 | 3649000 Youri Carma
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NSA’s huge new $2bn spy center will be used to snoop on ordinary Americans, warn experts 4 April 2012

Is the NSA building a $800million data center to spy on Americans? Utah desert facility code-named Bumblehive ‘will monitor emails of U.S. citizens’ 17 April 2013

- National Security Agency insists the site will operate according to laws that limit spying on U.S. citizens
- But civil liberties campaigners warn that the government is seeking to expand these powers
- The U.S. government operated a secret warrantless wiretapping programme between 2001 and 2005

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:34 | 3649108 Herkimer Jerkimer
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Little more for those interested…


Homeland Security Is Researching A Huge New Public Surveillance System

As NSA Pairs With Banks To "Fight Hackers", Will It Also Gain Access To Every American's Financial Secrets?

Senate Approves Warrantless Wiretapping Spy Bill

US Totalitarian State Wins After All: Obama Reinstates NDAA Military Detention Provision

NSA Whistleblower Explains Chilling Interview: ‘Everyone in the U.S. Is Under Virtual Surveillance’

U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens

Nothing Is Preventing The Feds From Putting You In A Facial Recognition Database

Big Brother: FBI’s $1B ‘Next Generation Identification’ Program Will Track People Using Facial Recognition

FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool

FAA: Look For 30,000 Drones To Fill American Skies By The End Of The Decade

Ron Paul: U.S. ‘Slipping Into a Fascist System’

“We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" - Big Brother Goes Live September 2013



Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:28 | 3649480 FreedomGuy
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Hahahaha! Yeah, right.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:01 | 3649013 Jim in MN
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OT but....Greece downgraded to Emerging Market status by MSCI

What a trippy time we live in....

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:04 | 3649018 fonzannoon
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and Turkey was recently upgraded to Investment grade.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:05 | 3649024 The Swedish Chef
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The gentleman from Texas... Never has that phrase been more correctly used. 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:12 | 3649045 Atomizer
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Eric Holder - We must BRAINWASH People About Guns!


Logically, when peasants can only throw stones instead of lead. Central planning Banking objectives becomes easier.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:27 | 3649096 spooz
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If Paul had gotten the Republican nomination, I know a lot of progressives that would have voted R instead of Green (other than the Obots who still think there is a lesser of two evils).  Pretty sure he would have beaten Obama.  Shame the duopoly has such a lock on status quo.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:31 | 3649103 howenlink
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Judging from the video, Ron Paul is about 20 years ahead of his time.  Might be good news for the human race two decades hence.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:30 | 3649101 Diablo
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NSA was caught spying on citizens back in 1975. they were barred from doing so, under FISA, in 1978.

of course, after 2001, the neo-cons took advantage of the situation and passed the "patriot" act, that the NSA got their full powers back.

but of course, idiots ignore the facts and blame it on the brown skinned guy today with the foreign name.


Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:55 | 3649136 dognamedabu
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Partisan rhetoric. If the brown guy with the foreign sounding name wanted to stop it he would have. 




Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:07 | 3649155 Diablo
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more partisan rhetoric back'atcha: how many members of congress passed the patriot act? how many renewed it in 2011?  its infantile to think the president has all these unlimited powers...its congress that has all the powers to pass bills/laws.

example of 'if he really wanted to, he wouldve done it'....obama wants to close gitmo...wanna know why he cant? take a look at the budget congress passed and how taxpayer money can/cannot be used in relation to prisoners in gitmo.


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:19 | 3649177 FleaMarketPete
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"its infantile to think the president has all these unlimited powers" you've obviously been in a coma since 2008. President shit for brains violates the constitution to HIS advantage. Not how you wish he would.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:26 | 3649186 Diablo
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'violates the constitution'??? ok, this should be entertaining. name ONE instance where its been PROVEN that the president violated the constitution.


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:31 | 3649190 FleaMarketPete
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Now go away stupid.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:50 | 3649206 Diablo
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now go look up "recess appointments" and "executive orders".

you imbecile.



Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:58 | 3649216 Buckaroo Banzai
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Hey numb nuts, the constitution is written in plain English that an 8th grader can understand. I can fucking read, and I can think, and that fucker hasnt done a single thing consistent with the constitution ever since he took office.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:30 | 3649485 mydogisprettier...
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show me one vote where he voted against the constitution. statist.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:54 | 3649277 MeBizarro
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He certainly could have opposed it in the least and if anything he has double-downed on it.  I agree thought about your comment that even if Obama had opposed any plans it wasn't up to him.  It amazes me on here who woefully ignorant a fair amount of posters on here are about even the most basic powers and operations of the US gov't and its various branches.  Executive branch has more power than the founders ever possibly conceived of but it still doesn't control the purse and even their power through executive orders is still somewhat limited.  

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:11 | 3649293 dog breath
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Why do people blame only the neo-cons?  Senate voted 50-R & 48-D for.  House was 211-R & 145-D & 1-I for.  Funny how only the conservatives get the blame.


Yet Obama can stop this but actually tells the public why it is necessary.  Didn't he study constituional law?  Didn't the President take an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution?  Didn't Congress take an oath to support and defend the constitution?

Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here


Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:33 | 3649492 rustymason
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Well, neocons are not American conservatives at all, they are "former" Trotskyites, but I agree with your basic point.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:40 | 3650191 FeralSerf
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A better question, from the comments here so far, is "why hasn't anyone here blamed Reagan and Bush 41 for the rapid decline during that 12 years of fascism towards our present totalitarian oligarchy?

I don't blame ONLY the neo-cons. I blame the neo-libs just as much as well. Both political blocs have supported and voted for the removal of the freedoms we once took, unfortunately, for granted.

Personally, I began voting libertarian in 1968 when I realized that it wasn't communism that we were fighting in Vietnam. It was the freedom of the American people that "our" government was battling. The Vietnamese were just doing their best to get rid of their own tyrants. The "Domino Theory" was just another one of the government's invalid conspiracy theories.

I voted for Ron Paul in 2000. Everyone said I was stupid and I was "throwing my vote away and he was just a kook that didn't have a chance".

I still believe if he had been elected, we likely would not even know the meaning of 9-11 except as a phone number.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:34 | 3649104 One And Only
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Ron Paul has commonsense thus why he wasn't elected President.

If Ron Paul had the oratory skills of Hitler or Obama he would have been a shoe in.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:36 | 3649111 q99x2
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I watched Paul and Woolsey on Morgan. He did pretty good there too.

What ever is going on against the tyranny must be being backed by some powerful forces now. Way too many things one after the other against Washington. Not that it wasn't all overdue but the consistent hammering indicates more than the common citizen wants and needs things to change. My suspicion is that it is the tech corporations that are part of the problem that are actually up in arms against the CIA and the old dying off oligarchs.

There is still time for transition to a new system without the old banksters and oil primates in control. They are dying off and their descendants did not survive world wars. They are susceptable to change in face of the alternative.

Woolsey was only able to use flat arguements that were based in an old belief system as backing for the lies he told on Peirs Morgan.

I had to laugh my ass off when I heard Peirs say how he didn't want the NSA to see into his personal records. And I had just watched Keiser 455 before where Stacey talked about how it was Morgan who personally tapped her phone.

Crazy shit.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 23:56 | 3649141 RyeWhiskey
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Ron Paul would be a great president. Too bad we missed our chance...

Centuries later people may recall. Price.... price will differ.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:10 | 3649162 Jim in MN
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Ya know, the thing is, if there was less corruption there would be more legitimate authority for the state to use as a buffer for their surveillance.

So, if you know anyone who gets upset at the rage over spying, just tell them to blame the Wall Street/DC Axis of Corruption for delegitimizing authority and undermining the public's perception of the rule of law.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:10 | 3649163 FleaMarketPete
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"principles, credibility and consistency"......Amen.


Too bad we prefer "douchbag, liar, and criminal".


Oh well, death of white culture.....

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:17 | 3649170 pragmatic hobo
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what I don't get is, ... apparently the US government can hear everything, see everything, they have supercomputers and mountain of data at their disposal, yet they couldn’t stop Boston marathon bombing carried out by couple guys who left trails everywhere and was supposedly even warned about by the Russian government.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:22 | 3649180 FleaMarketPete
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Because they are focused more on the teaparty and swiss bank accounts?  Americans supported the patriot act thinking that it would be used against terrorists, not all Americans.  Hence the outrage.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:51 | 3649311 lakecity55
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No, because the Deep State set up Boston.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:34 | 3649191 prains
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that's funny, you just answered your own question

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 04:40 | 3649349 css1971
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What makes you think the purpose of all this stuff is to prevent terrorist attacks on the public?


It fascinates me that people still look at the words and not the actions.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 00:44 | 3649202 DaylightWastingTime
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never wore a mask at a protest. the black bloc disgusted me. anarchy is a cure to vaccines it won't take. this is no longer a matter of governments, we could wish ourselves that spoiled. this is the end of accountability. corporations are the new triumverate, wealthfare, warfare and welfare. to none of those is a vote cast. it is all conscription. you may be the enlisted. but what recourse do you have? government in its most weakened state aimed to serve the people, now in its strongest state it protects us from what could easily be thought as the implications of its service. this is era of implied consent, manifest in the credit you are granted to be an effective member of society, but what will you buy that won't own you? what is the alternative? the end of incandecent prosperity we all flock to like moths?if your wealthy but not rich you are scared. you are the next target. america is done as an amalgumation of well minded creators, sorry we have lost bid to a formidable slavery, a vulgar necessity, lint in the change purse of wealth makers, only inflation will be the tailor of our chains. could you hope for a key made of gold? and even if you were so well prepared could you be assusred it would unbind you? this is is where risk is leveraged against oblivion. if you don't buy it then the ritual of transaction is dead. and then no teeth can chew your way to freedom

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 01:02 | 3649220 lolmao500
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A good article that ZH should post...

What if foreign press reported about the US the same way they do about Syria or Turkey??

More truth in that article than all the MSM combined in a decade.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 02:53 | 3649312 giggler123
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OMG they found me, I suppose I should buy another Ice cream with my own photo id next time...

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 04:45 | 3649353 Fire Angel
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I wrote in Ron Paul for president in the last election, and I still can't find out how many agreed with me. Isn't there an online petition format with the US government that allows concerned to state their case? I'm really wondering how many people actually voted for RP. 

Here's an interesting link:

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:45 | 3649620 fledermaus
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I voted for him via write in in FL in 2008 Elections.  I wanted to see post election if my vote was in fact, counted.  In the intervening years I've kept checking.  It was not counted. 

The reason, I'm told via the election committee rules etc... is that if you don't get on the ballot, your write in for a candidate, who is not on the ballot, will not be counted.  Not all states do it this way but a majority of states do.  I did campaign and donate to the Ron Paul campaign as well as circulate the issue cards and put up lawn signs all over my county.  I wanted to write him in, after he did not make the ballot in FL, but knew that would be lost and not counted at all- so I voted for that constitutionalist candidate that most Ron Paul supporters acknowledged was the closest thing to voting for Ron Paul.

What has ALWAYS enraged me was the argument why vote for X if they can't win? 

As if the only reason to vote isn't for the issue(s)'s to win. 

I get now why pure democracy isn't a great thing, voting to win, majority tyranny, etc...  brings us to where we are now.  NO dissenting voice, outside the status quo can get big enough to influence the status quo.  That is why zero hedge and education about these issues and free an open discussion / freedom of speech is so important.  the mind set and mores need to be changed in the populous.  Notice how Dr. Paul only has hope for the youth movement in relation to the Liberty movement.  The status quo is so ingrained by a certain age that it's a lost cause to even try to move it.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:46 | 3650240 FeralSerf
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Why vote for X if they can't win? Because you want to be on the "Winning Team", dontcha?

The Russians were always on the "Winning Team" with their "vote" for Stalin, just like the North Koreans are in their "democracy" when they "voted" for Kim.

Stalin said the vote wasn't so important. It was the COUNTING of the vote that was.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 06:24 | 3649412 shutupnsing
Wed, 06/12/2013 - 06:55 | 3649437 El_Puerco
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RON PAUL!...Hey!...Where are you?!...



Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:23 | 3649471 22winmag
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Amazing look back 30 years ago. Ina ddition, several movies from the 1980s make great points about terror, surviellance, and the government's use and misuse of both of them.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:37 | 3649503 Aegelis
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I used to call him "Crazy Uncle Ron" and I wish that I were right, but it turns out the opposite is true...he's sane, the rest of all of the government is crazy. 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 09:17 | 3649712 sunnyside
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What is even scarier is when Alex Jones starts turning up correct about issues.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 07:51 | 3649530 blindman
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Enemy of the State 1998 - All about the NSA - Said Beautifully
NSA leaker: are there serious cracks in Ed Snowden’s story?
By Jon Rappoport
June 10, 2013
Joni Mitchell-Hana
Classic Ron Paul: "Our foolish policy in Iraq invites terrorist attacks against US

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:29 | 3649594 buckethead
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I'm always late to the party, but I'll chime in nevertheless.

Ron Paul is a pretty awesome human. Nearly a modern day prophet. Not so much in religious terms, but in much more practical terms.

As with most prophets, he has been branded a heretic. That, friends... Is where the Ron Paul Story ends, at least for his part.

There will be no "Great Man" who will save us from the inevitable tyranny which knocks at out doors, even now.

Someone's knocking... You gonna answer the door, or what?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 08:46 | 3649621 goldenbuddha454
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A Quiz:  So how did we get to where we are today?  A)  The people chose security over freedom at any cost  B)  The people chose security over freedom at any cost C)  The people chose security over freedom at any cost  D) All of the above

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