Ron Paul Warns Of Electronic Surveillance Back In... 1984

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

There are three words that come to mind when I think of Ron Paul; principles, credibility and consistency.  Not only is the video below great because we get to see Dr. Paul speak on the Congressional floor thirty years younger, but also because he was adamantly criticizing civil liberties threats in the context of a Republican President, Ronald Reagan.  He warned us about what the NSA and other intelligence agencies are currently doing well before the internet became widespread.  The man is a statesman of the highest order.  Definitely take the time to watch this short video.

 

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takeaction's picture

I have watched this several times.  Billy is an amazing person.

I need Another Beer's picture

@ Fonz

This hit the nail on the head. I have given up on trying to explain to friends and family about what is going on because its pointless. As to Billy's "How do we make this group aware, it has to touch them some how." My answer has always been the same. This bury my head in the sand crowd will become active participants when the same old 3 things happen that always occur eventually. starvation, disease and death. That ought to wake'em up.

My biggest fear is a coordinated terrorist attack on all my favorite breweries.

NoDebt's picture

Good question.  I sense a ground-swell against this sort of behavior, but it feels hollow and well-managed.  Well within the bounds of acceptable dissent.

The goddamned ratchet only clicks one direction on this sort of stuff.  The wrong direction.  EVERYONE in government wants this sort of control.  EVERYONE.  They just want it to be themselves at the controls.  So they only argue against it enough to play it against the current regime, but preserve the underlying capability for what they hope will be their eventual use.

 

seek's picture

You're seeing what they want you to perceive with respect to dissent. That's the managed feeling you're getting.

Meanwhile, look at Amazon's sales of 1984, or article activity on reddit -- and those are at a disconnect with the managed perception.

Hopefully more people will pick up on this as well.

CrazyCooter's picture

These are the words you are reaching for ...

Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

Regards,

Cooter

FreedomGuy's picture

"I thought this era had ended when the DDR fell," he said, using the German initials for the failed German Democratic Republic.

From the Merkel thread. NoDebt, you are correct. I combine your post with this quotation to say this stuff never ends. Now that virtually all Constitutional protections have been breached we are not only at risk but will probably suffer the consequences. This IRS, AP phone tap, NSA, etc. stuff all come from the same authoritarian place and it is no coincidence that they are happening at the same time.

lolmao500's picture

The only thing at this point that will change things is a LONG MARCH type of campaign against the US regime, it's supporters, propagandists and financiers.

Proofreder's picture

Or perhaps a South American-type revolution with the populace in the streets banging pots and pans (in the absence of rifles because the government has achieved confiscation ...

in 2020.

strannick's picture

Ron Paul. A man for all seasons

falak pema's picture

they said that about Thomas More and he lost his head for it.

JimBowie1958's picture

Thomas More was quite OK with standing by Henry's side and watching the king murder and rob monestaries across England, allowing Henry to use that stolen wwealth to turn his monarchy into the first absolute monarchy in Western Europe in the modern age, if memory serves me well.

Thomas More got devoured by the same beast he helped to create.

ZerOhead's picture

Damn but I really miss that straight talking, principled, and loveable old man... even though I didn't always agree with him.

Best politician that money couldn't buy... which proved to be the crux of his MSM / TPTB engineered undoing.

LetThemEatRand's picture

Unfortunately, his son Rand seems to subscribe to the corporate middle ground, by which I mean the corporate ground.

FreedomGuy's picture

You know, I have considered similar things as I evaluate various conservatives and libertarians. The purer the ideology, the harder we often judge. I am not sure anyone writing these types of comments here would fare any better if you were evaluated by the rest of us. You might get the social issues right but I might pick apart your economics or monetary policy and call you a fraud or vice versa.

I think Rand's heart is in the right place and the direction he would take us is far better than where we are. You might recall his recent filibusters.

mkucstars's picture

I think Rand needs to appear to suscribe to the corporate middle ground until he gets elected, for that is the only way he has a chance of getting there. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Have just a little faith that he is not like all the rest. Please.

Shell Game's picture

Homeschool, homeschool, homeschool.  Free-thinkers are the antidote to Statism.

 

Ron Paul's free K-5 curriculum:  http://www.ronpaulcurriculum.com/

 

Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Any parent who still lets their kid go to public schools is a dangerously irresponsible parent.

MeBizarro's picture

Yeah because most Americans are well-qualified to teach their kid any kind of math beyond basic geometry/algebra let alone science-related material.  A nation full of home-schooled kids would be a third world country and the entire reason that public education was started & mandatory in the US is because the US workforce in the late 19th century/early 20th century was largely illeriate and lacked even basic rundimentary math skills beyond basic counting. 

Dull Care's picture

LOL do you really believe most public school teachers are qualified to prepare the next generation?

It seems to me that the US is well on his way to being a third world country with public education.

MeBizarro's picture

If you say dopey things, it is hard to take you serious.   Yeah I do believe someone who has a BA (and possibly a Master's) in Mathematics/Applied Statistics/Chemistry/Physics/Biology/etc and training, experience & certification is more knowledge and better-prepared than the average US parent to successfully teach kids.  Crazy idea I guess. 

The top tier (20%) of US students in public schools perform as well if not better than any of their counterparts on standardized tests and have very impressive rates of college graduation & higher education attainment.  The issue is the huge gap in the middle and at the bottom.   

Dull Care's picture

I've only worked in the public schools for the past three years. My opinion on this is hardly 'dopey'. You are correct that at the top tier, things look great but how much credit belongs to the schools in these cases? I believe these students would excel under nearly any scenario and are generally held back by their lower achieving peers. This isn't to say there aren't special teachers. There are, but many of my colleagues aren't as nuanced as you would like to think.

For example I had to explain to a guy who teaches economics that the US Dollar isn't backed by gold and is essentially on the path to worthlessness. He was incredulous.

Any additional investment in these institutions is malinvestment.

FreedomGuy's picture

Have you seen what happens when public school teachers are tested? BTW, actual engineers, mathematicians and others are rarely allowed to teach without proper education degrees or certification.

JimBowie1958's picture

In other words, not allowed to teach witthout proper indoctrination.

XitSam's picture

You've got it backwards. In my state, you need a degree in Education, not what will be taught. And and tales my friend tells me about the liberal idoctrination at the local state university College of Education would make your head spin. The students in the college are required to regurgitate the liberal talking points or get kicked out of the college. They tollerate no dissent.

GeezerGeek's picture

Too bad your statements ignore the agenda of the person at the foundation of US public schools, John Dewey. He was awash in all sorts of collectivist/progressive ideals, and interested in using public schools as a method of shaping the thinking of all those young, malleable minds.

Further, your thoughts on American literacy are misplaced at best. Literacy in America was very high at the time of the revolution. If America was less literate one hundred or more years later it may have a lot to do with the massive influx of immigrants in the last quarter of the 1800s. Facts don't support your assertions.

Chaos_Theory's picture

RE homeschooling and higher-end mathematics...gosh I wish some really smart people would create digital education programs, or maybe upload YouTube videos of truly great teachers covering all those difficult subject areas. 

RE the history of the U.S. public education system, just remember JD Rockefeller's General Education Board's dream of turning us all into assembly-line robots...

""In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply…The task we set before ourselves is very simple as well as a very beautiful one, to train these people as we find them to a perfectly ideal life just where they are. So we will organize our children and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way, in the homes, in the shops and on the farm." - General Education Board, Occasional Papers, No. 1"

gaoptimize's picture

A colleague left my employer to get his PhD in math.  As part of his fellowship program, he is now a TA for algebra at the University of Arizona.  That's right:  UofA freeshman are taking (mindless, rote) algebra because they are too dull, and were poorly instructed, to pick it up in highschool.  The fact is home schooled children out-perform public school children.

My 1st grade daughter brings home a book that is the liberals' interpretation of Aesop's "Ant and the Grasshopper".  The grasshopper is a musician partying and playing all summer while the ant works storing food.  When the winter comes, the ant decides the grasshopper can stay with him and share his food because "well, you did entertain us."

I will be pushing through the RonPaulCurriculum with my daughter after school, but I also spend a good deal of time de-programming her.

FreedomGuy's picture

We need more parents like you. I taught my kids critical thinking in high school.

The Third Man's picture

@meBizarro...Passing over the obvious mistakes in your punctuation, grammar and spelling, your ignorance concerning the nature of homeschooling, and the history of the public education movement is evidence enough that you're ill-equiped to engage in any serious discussion. Go back to school, dude.

Dull Care's picture

I'm jealous of the youth who will go through the Ron Paul homeschool curriculum.

Pareto's picture

When the people turned their back on Paul during and after the RNC, it was then that I realized that change, meaningful change will never come peacefully through a perceived democratic process riddled with rule changes, ballot stuffing and other shinanigans.  Quite frankly had Paul been elected, the $INDU would be back to the mean of around 9000, maybe less, prices would have fallen, government pared significantly, the debt would not be $17T, rates would be a modest 4 or 5%, and you would get to keep more of what you earn with dollars that bought more per unit, even if you were nominally paid less (which is what happens in a recession - prices find demand).  Entitlements would have been means tested, and savers would be rewarded by risk takers who carefully will have measured the expected value of their endeavor.  Why was this option so fucking bad that the people instead elected to celebrate the status quo which common sense tells you is a one way ticket to absolute ruin.

Oh I know, its not the people's fault.  There are other dark forces, the winner already picked, and so on.  But, if the people REALLY wanted change, they could have - we see it everywhere else in the world.  The Republic has to drop democracy, in my opinion, because the rule of law doesn't matter when 50% +1 say it doesn't matter.  The Constitution is being tossed aside for the prospect that somebody, somewheres, is going to provide you with a free lunch (or phone).  Free men, as defined by the Constitution, did/do not require State consent and Liberty was/is defined not by what that state says you can do, but simply by a couple of rules that delineate what you can't do, which for the most part emobodied the Commandments and the golden rule (Luke 6:31).  But they laughed at Paul for that too in South Carolina.

Nope.  Change will never come by rational discussion of principles.  It will come by terror, crisis and bloodshed.

CrazyCooter's picture

For what it is worth, the state of AK electected "non-traditional" republicans to state office (e.g. chair/vice-chair). I wouldn't go as far to say they were pro-Paul, just not blindly traditional/establishment.

What has occurred since then is a complete disaster of charges, removals, and general mayhem. The state has not been allowed to participate in national meetings.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/alaska-republican-party-chairwoman-ousted/article_4e0fef30-a13e-11e2-beca-001a4bcf6878.html

I case it was missed, Debbie was the VICE chair (who was also removed). She was also a life long Republican, actively involved in the party.

AK was one of maybe five or seven or ten states that fell outside the standard Republican line. I am not sure what happened in the others (this is all barely touched in the news at all).

I am so cynical, I am not even buying into the Snowden story. This is just advertisement that the water temp is going up.

Prepare to be boiled.

Regards,

Cooter

 

GeezerGeek's picture

Reading the article reaffirmed my suspicion that the GOP 'establishment' will do whatever it can to prevent conservatives from positions of power or influence. While happy to collect the votes of tea partiers, nothing must be untried in an attempt to prevent ascension to power of any conservative. Look what they did to Rep. Allan West in Florida, redistricting him out of office.

marathonman's picture

Watching the media cover and coverup the RNC nomination in 2012 pretty much sealed the deal for me that the fix was in and that I really needn't bother with voting.  I've been a political refugee since then.

world_debt_slave's picture

just proves the gov ignores our liberties and freedom and does what it desires with impunity.

johngaltfla's picture

Ron Paul missed the point. It was never intended to stop terrorism or attacks on the American citizenry. It's all about obtaining and keeping the illuminati in power:

 

The NSA Scandal Explains how Mitt Romney Lost the Election

Republi-Ken's picture

Your Nuts Bozo.

Who can possibly "keep power" by knowing what chick you are banging

or what your last call to order Pizza Hut was and what you ordered.

Conspiracy Wackos.

The "Illumnati"

If they even really exist, dont need surveillance to hold power.

Period.

They have the money and dont give a fuck about your phone calls.

Ran Paul-Ron Paul-Libertarian Morons. 

And that Idiot Cheerleader Dyler Turden

samsara's picture

Right, and Fuck you very much

Pareto's picture

The words "chick", "banging" and "pizza hut" in the same sentence essentially limit your IQ score to about 90 according to Mensa.  sorry becauase that is unfortunate, and oh yeah, prepare to be down arrowed over 100 times.  Mine was the first.

Bunga Bunga's picture

You have been brain dead over the last 30 years. 

Elliot Spitzer is a great example how private information is (ab)used to control and retain power.

marathonman's picture

Eric Holder?  Is that you?

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Fuck 'em, if all their Will Huntings can't differentiate between genuine threats, and dissent based on love of country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Got principles, got balls? Then fucking use them.

logicalman's picture

My eyes are ready, They're focusing on you. I'm watching every move and all you do. I see you everywhere, I'm here and now I'm there. Nowhere you can hide, you're still in view.
And when the shutter's open, Images on my screen, Sent to the people waiting, People you've never seen, 'cause
[Chorus]I am a camera, Looking at pictures of you. I am a camera. [ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/i-am-a-camera-lyrics-gentle-giant.html ] SMILE, Now you see me, now you don't.
I'm always working, At night and in the day. I'm your security, that's what they say. And if you think you're free, Then turn your back on me. I'll catch you as you look the other way.
And when the shutter's open, Images on my screen, Sent to the people waiting, People you've never seen, 'cause

 

Gentle Giant - 1980

johnQpublic's picture

ROB/DOWNING, KENNETH

Up here in space
I'm looking down on you.
My lasers trace
Everything you do.
You think you've private lives
Think nothing of the kind.
There is no true escape
I'm watching all the time.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
Always in focus
You can't feel my stare.
I zoom into you
You don't know I'm there.
I take a pride in probing all your secret moves
My tearless retina takes pictures that can prove.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
Electric eye, in the sky
Feel my stare, always there
There's nothing you can do about it.
Develop and expose
I feed upon your every thought
And so my power grows.
I'm made of metal
My circuits gleam.
I am perpetual
I keep the country clean.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm protected electric eye.
I'm elected electric spy
I'm elected. Protected. Detective. Electric eye.

 

judas priest

 

XitSam's picture

"In The Beginning"

[First Man:] I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

[Establishment:] Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

[First Man:] I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.

[Inner Man:] There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

Graeme Edge 1969 (Moody Blues)

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Gentle Giant!? Christ, that brings back college dorm mammaries... Three weeks in Spain, three weeks insane. ;-)