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"You Have Over-Stepped Your Boundaries, Sir"

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Submitted by Mark J. Grant, author of Out of the Box,

Perhaps you have noted in your life, as I have in mine, that denial is often the preface to justification.
 
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
 
                        -Benjamin Franklin
 
A government, any government, the American government, can justify its actions based upon national security. It is an often used tactic that is supposed to explain and rationalize the actions of those in power. It is not a Republican tactic or a Democrat tactic rather it is a tactic used by politicians who wish to control and contain its citizens where retention of power is a higher authority than individual rights. History has shown that only in times of extreme national duress, such as war, that is this a justifiable argument.
 
“As a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights. Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.”
 
                          -James Madison
 
It is not often that my commentary concerns itself with the Founding Fathers of our country. I am afraid that most days I am concerned with the more mundane existence of markets and preservation of capital and even of making the occasional dollar when it can be done. I also generally, except as it defines the markets, do not enter into the fray of the right or wrong, the moral justification, of the actions of governments. This is quite a dangerous space where motivations and agendas can and should be called into question.
 
Having said this then I will state that I have no political agenda and that my sole motivation is what I consider fundamental to the country which is the individual rights ascribed to the people in the formation of America. One document is the Constitution and one is the Bill of Rights which protects the citizens from the intrusion of the government. This is the bedrock of America. This is the terra firma, the firm ground, of the United States.
 
“Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add “within the limits of the law,” because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual.”
 
                        -Thomas Jefferson
 
For the citizens of our country there is no justification, no national security assertion, that will dissuade us from the premise that our current government, in listening to every phone call and reading every transmission on the internet, is violating the fundamental Constitutional rights of American citizens. If you consider Wall Street; every strategy discussed, every potential business transaction written in an email has now been read by our government and the information could be released with great harm resulting to the involved parties. An order given by any institution on the phone or in an Bloomberg IB could be shared with people that could use the information for their own benefit. The potential impact on the financial industry has quite grave consequences!
 
As Americans we should say, “You have overstepped your boundaries Sir.” Citizens should stand and state, “No one has given you the authority to spy upon me and my fellow Americans and that you are violating the Constitution in this exercise and it should cease immediately.” It should be said to a Democrat. It should be said to a Republican. We should say this to any man that has undertaken to pervert the rights that we have ascribed to ourselves in the formation of our government.
 
This is where we should stand and we should make our voices heard to the best of our abilities.
 
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
 
           -Thomas Jefferson

 


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Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment screw face
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long ago........in a universe fare fare away..

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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FUCK YOU, Uncle Janet!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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The Founding Fathers took steps in the right direction but there is still more steps to go.  The Founders knew about inalienable rights but they still wanted power so they took the responsible for these rights.  The People delegate the responsibility of inalienable rights by voting.

 

The future will be self-representation.  No voting and it would take a lot to delegate your responsibility of your inalienable rights.  When the responsibility is delegated to someone else Liberty is lost.

 

Inalienable rights must and always coincide with inalienable responsibility.  Power will then be completely in the hands of The People.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Richard Chesler
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Is that before or after picking up the food stamps?

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Miranda 2013 (PRISM edition):

(The opening screen on every/any digital device anywhere for the rest of your life).

1. You had the right to eternally remain utterly verbally, telephonically, digitally and gesticularly (esp. Italy) silent while in the presence of your family, friends, employer and society, less physical person to person contact outside the range of anyone carrying a cellphone, laptop, tablet, Google glasses, nano drone insect surveillance device (whether owned by any government, corporate or private entity or within range of anyone else's nano drone insect surveillance device by whomever owned);
2. Anything you say/said/typed/implied by emoticons/gesticulated/or demonstrated/implied with facial expressions or any sounds at any point in your life or say can and will be used against you in a court of law or before any .gov subcontract court;
3. You have a right to have an "attorney" whether human or handheld digital legal assistant (with forensic computer science capability disabled) available before and during the questioning; and
4. You have the right, if you cannot afford the services of an attorney/rental digital legal assistant, to have an appointed digital legal assistant (manufactured within the last 10 years), at public expense and without cost to you, to represent you before and during the reading/viewing of your digital pre-confession to any and all crimes you have committed.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment CH1
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Stop  Obeying  Them

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment prains
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Stop Helping Or Obeying Them

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment floyd084
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Yeh I tried explaining that with rights come repsonsibilites, this was after the whole newtown thing and the 2nd ammendment, people told me to fuck off.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Supernova Born
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Smells like infringement.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Yeah, because those who obey the law should always be punished for the actions of criminals and wackos.

Those who obey the law ARE being responsible, bubba.

Maybe you should take a course on constitutional law and the second amendment.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment IamtheREALmario
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Very true. The questiona I ask you:

1. Do you think that the human race as it currently stands is capable of taking that responsibility.

2. If the human race is currently not ready then do you believe that if they were taught by their parents and schools the fundamentals of self responsibility instead of how to be good little takers of orders then they would be ready?

My personal belief is that thanks to the workings of government in the dictating to people how they are (cough) educated and the rules they must live under (or else face the loss of freedom by imprisonment), people in general have a great deal of difficulty establishing an environment for themselves where they can take responsibility ... rather than take orders.

What would the psychopathic "so called" leaders (the architects of the dialectic and bane of our existence {not the gifts to us that they believe they are}) do if they could not force others to do their will?... and this includes the good little slaves at the NSA, FBI, CIA, the militaries, IRS, in corporate America, doing the will of the head banker? Obviously they are currently a lost cause and it would take generations to train people to not aspire to psychopathy ... as we are now trained.

But is that the real answer? I do not know. Hegel said (not exactly, I am paraphrasing), in his discussion of the dialectic, that neither Yin nor Yang can "win" (because they are complimentary and one cannot exist without the other) and to get past the dialectic a new paradigm must be formed. The question is "what is that paradigm?".

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 16:41 | Link to Comment espirit
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The answer is quite simple grasshopper, "Work or you don't eat."

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 04:54 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Get a copy of "Obedience to Authority", by Dr. Stanley Milgram.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment WarriorClass
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No, the people reserved for themselves their inalienable rights, as listed in the Bill of Rights.  The Federal Government was only granted very specific enumerated rights in the Constitution, which they have continually violated, voiding their governing authority by breach of contract.  We do not have a legitimate government, but a despotic regime that must be removed.  The people have previously shirked their responsibility in failing to remove the regime, thinking they can vote their way to freedom despite the rigged Diebold voting machines and obvious fraud in the party primaries and general elections.  This is changing as people are waking up to the fact that they alone are responsible for their freedom and their failure to enforce it always results in their slavery.

This is coming to a head, very soon.  

Americans have purchased so many firearms that many manufacturers of military pattern semi-automatic rifles are back ordered for a year or more, and ammunition has doubled in price, when you can find it, and there are now at least 100 million gun owners in the US. DHS has purchased over 2 billion rounds of ammunition and "assault rifles" for personal protection. America is preparing for a civil war, and to deny it is whistling past the graveyard of history.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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The Federal Government was only granted very specific enumerated rights in the Constitution,..

+1 for a great post, but to point out a common misperception here: the Constitution does not grant rights. It only enumerates them. Those rights exists before, during and after any constitution and even if said constitution denies those rights.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment screw face
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...with all due respect the founding fathers were slave owners, who grew hemp....

i took the red pill....

....what say you

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment buyingsterling
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Presently we're ruled by pot-bellied pedophiles and butch dyke sadists. I'll take the founders, fuck you very much.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment screw face
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Starve the beast then... no need to attack...

as for me......i have no iron in the financial fires....

it wood be nice to go back to those times, however...well the hemp part any way..

need i say moar!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Not all the FF were slave owners, bubba.

You need to take a history course on the Ameerican Revolution...or at least a good one.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment HedgeHammer
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Unalienable rights are those rights given or endowed to us by our creator and are not ours to give away nor can they be taken away.

Inalienable rights are those rights can be given away with your consent, whether it is through inaction or explicit permission given.

 

There is a big difference between these 2 words. Do not let yourselves be fooled, Unalienable rights was used in the Bill of Rights for a reason and not Inalienable. It never was nor ever will be interchangeable with each other.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Last night Kirk2NCC1701 responded to a comment I made on the Revolution 2.0 by Simon Black thread. This was my response which I just posted. I am sorry for the repost but I think it is apropos to this article.

Kirk - You ask some very stirring questions which deserve an equally sagacious and sober response. 

Let me begin by asking you what you define as "patriotic comrades-in-arms"? If you are referring to mindless flag waving cheerleaders who scream "USA" at a sporting event, or one who emphatically states "America. Love it or leave it" without a full understanding of what America was, is, and could be, I would not qualify under that particular category. My oath was to my country, not the government. A patriot is one who supports good and limited governance. One who not only questions the government when injustice arises, but tries to affect change when repression, encroachment, incompetence and systemic criminality infringes upon the liberties which once made this nation a hopeful place.  

Liberty is the freedom to make choices.  I do not begrudge a man who has reached his saturation point and decides to leave. It is stessful to relocate a family to a place in which one is relatively unfamiliar.  However, I do have issues with a man who took an oath to defend, and then takes pot-shots from the comfort and temporal safety of the ski-slopes of the Andes.

Concerning Bush, Cheney, Obama et al, I neither voted for them nor support them. My political leanings do not adhere to the prevalent left/right paradigm. I have been very fortunate because I have experienced the best and worst of what this country has to offer. My "epiphany" or turning point, as you say, is a personal one which occured a very long time ago. This country has clearly lost its way. Too many individuals and entities believe entitlement is their birthright.  Too many have their hand out and not enough are willing to lend a hand. Sacrifice has become an archaic act and narcissism has become its replacement. 

I choose to stay, because I believe standing and fighting for an ideal can be contagious and it will leave a legacy for my children to follow.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-10/revolution-20-if-history-any-guide-its-only-going-get-worse#comment-3645996

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Uchtdorf
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In a word, bravo.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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AlaricBalth,

You Sir, have my respect!

I read this morning on another blog, this statement by the blogger:

If I must die, then I will do so here in America, fully armed and facing my oppressors. I won't die in some ditch, begging for mercy.

While some may find it troubling, I take it deeply to heart and am prepared for its eventuallity.

DaddyO

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment davinci7_gis
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I totally concur...we may all get our wish soon and, as the old Bon Jovi song so aptly stated, " go out in a blaze of glory"!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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My plan is not to " go out in a blaze of glory" as you stated, but to attempt peaceful resolution to my grievances. This notion that we are in the minority and will slog through the onslaught because the sheeple will lay bleeting in their stupor is a false one at best.

It is past time for many of us to go rattle the paddock gates and wake the sheeple up! Although the actions of one Edward Snowden may serve to elicit many from their slumber.

Also the notion that Simon Black has all the answers is pure horsehockey. It is high time to draw a moral line in the sand and decide whom you will serve, the call of a freeman or the lure of the status quo!

Red pill or Blue Pill, you decide...

DaddyO

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment aka Gil
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The "sheeple" have had ample time to wake up. If they don't stay out of the way, they could very well share the fate of the tyrants.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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In Rev 1.0 many choose the side of the Tyrant...Will Rev 2.0 be any different if it comes to that? ...Decide whom you will serve, as stated previously...

DaddyO

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Ample time perhaps but the triggering events required have not yet happened for most.

That is why the PTB go to such expense to occupy the average persons mind with pointless entertainment.

The fires of hell have been replaced by the silence of boredom as the driving fear of our culture.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Lester
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It is The State Legislators from "the many states" that MUST Be Held Accountable and Required By Their Respective Citizens to recall their Congressional delegations and Reform The Federal Government and ALL Bureaucracies, Courts and Operations.

 

America has the mechanism for reform, unlike most other Nations.  Time to use it is NOW~!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Hear Hear!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment prains
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 Too many have their hand out and not enough are willing to lend a hand.

 

And so few have STOLEN so much of the wealth of the nation that nothing is left to help those who truly need the help.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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 …… whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..

You all know where this got copied and pasted from!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Ignatius
Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment mademesmile
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...He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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What just blows me away is that Obama can stand up in front of a room (and nation) full of people who should know better, and state that he "swore and oath to keep America safe" - and not get called on it.

Fucking-A!  Last time I checked, what he swore, was to ". . . faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and. . .  to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

Any self-proclaimed Constitutional scholar should know that serially violating the Constitution is NOT faithfully executing the Office of the President either.

Those in charge of the NSA, the entire FISA court system, POTUS including his cabinet, and any member of Congress who knowingly signed-off on this bullshit should be removed and indicted as domestic enemies of the Constitution (to which all members of the military are sworn to hold as enemies of We The People).

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment upWising
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Ben and Tom and James just didn't understand the threats we face!  This, "The Greatest Country The World Has Ever Seen" (according to Bob Dole), is under ATTACK by teenagers with accents and handguns!  Amercians DEMAND and EXPECT protection from these Existential Threats to the Amercian Way Of Life ("non-negotiable" according to Dick Cheney) and the Founding Fathers just don't get it.  For one thing, these old guys talk in long sentences that really don't make much sense.  Besides, these "Founders" never wrote a Mission Statement or Declaration of Shared Vision, never had a logo, never had a corporate motto. Where's their Business Plan?   Just not credible without these essential elements!!

I, for one, am CC:ing ALL my emails to NSA to save them the trouble of reading my emails because I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE.  I LOVE Amercia and I support anything the Rulers tell me to do.

Amen.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment LuckoftheIrish
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Thank you for the wonderful email idea! I have just emailed the NSA to be certain I am CC'ing to the correct address. Fuckers.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Midasking
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Michael Moore disagrees with a lot of what the Founding Fathers mentioned... I don't know who to believe.  http://tinyurl.com/mem7o7x

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Say it with lead.  Say it with gold.  Say it with pride.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Jigsaw
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i demand satisfaction

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment BaggerDon
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Sadly, I think most Americans look upon US citizenship as some sort of CRUISE....no decisions or risks please, just let me know what time dinner and the show are....

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment CH1
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Excellent analogy!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Taint Boil
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Yeah, another  +1 - excellent analogy

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment de3de8
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Good luck considering the majority of the Sheeple are ok with the eavesdropping.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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thats what they say....other signs say a different tune....

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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Everyone I ask that is aware of the leaks and current state of affairs is PISSED...

Again, this notion that the sheeple will lay bleeting is a false one...some will because they have been lured into dependence on their masters.

Others, will wake up and shrug off the status quo, rest assured.

DaddyO

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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So the lard assed Washington media have suddenly become civil libertarians,

  or are they just reading this week's script as usual?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Reading the script.

There was an article on here yesterday that said something like 65% of Americans don't give a fuck .gov is spying on them.  As long as that's true (and I have no idea if it is), this issue has no legs.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment GubbermintWorker
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I can't tell you how many times I've read people say " If you're not doing anything wrong, what are you worried about?"

 

Disheartening.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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please answer them from now on by saying...you dont get to chose whether you are doing anything wrong....THEY do.....

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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That's a great answer - though I doubt it will get traction with the lazy statist crowd.

The heartening thing is, even if that poll is correct (and I have my reservations) - that means that a huge number of citizens think this is criminal bullshit.  As long as the lethargic don't get in the way, that's pleny enough folks to cause these psychopathic fascists a whole bunch of heart-ache.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment mudduck
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How about if every polititian, banker, every wonk from top to bottom of whatever department, agency, etc, and every athlete who have testified under oath that they can't recall or are not clear on that, have all their calls and e-mails dug out and gone over. WTF why not? May as well get some payback milage out of the damn thing before they lie about shutting it down and destroying all the records.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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People are idiots.  A few examples of not doing anything wrong but need privacy.

Let's say you're a new politician and you are trying to get elected.  The incumbents have the NSA at their disposal intercepting all of your communications and strategy.

Let's say you're a start up and you are trying to launch a new product.  The corporatacracy have the NSA at their disposal...

Let's say you're trying to give your young adult children some advice.  The establishment that doesn't agree with your teachings has the NSA at their disposal...

 

Face it.  The IRS agents were actively telling organizations that they could not "push" their beliefs on people.  These organizations did initiate contact with the IRS but in the future as the NSA data mining is in full swing, expect the govmint to initiate contact.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment nowhereman
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People are idots -> I am a Person -> therefore I am an idiot.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Time for a change?

"If you don't annoy the police, you need not worry".

NY Senate passes bill making 'harassing' or 'annoying' police a felony crime.

Sponsored by Senator Joe Griffo, Bill S.2402 would make it a felony to “harass, annoy, or threaten a police officer while on duty.”

http://rt.com/usa/us-police-harrassment-crime-308/

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Your "Free Corzine" shirt annoys me, you're under arrest for felonius annoyance.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Check out what these Florida Gestapo did to a 14 year old with a puppy because of a "look" he allegedly gave them:  http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/05/miami-dade_police_choke_b...

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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If one farts in NJ but the smell crosses state lines and annoys a cop in NY, is it a crime?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Last time I was in NJ - a good fart would've been considered "relief" from the stank eminating from that shithole.  Nothing like the combined aroma from open waste dumps and meat processing plants.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Smuckers
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What a different reaction you would get if you went to their house, sat on their front lawn and stared through their living room window with a bowl of popcorn.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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smuckers if thats what it takes....we need to start a mini project mayhem and wake them the fuck up.......when ur standing in line...just start talking...make them give you that dear in the headlight look....but maybe planting a few hundred seeds we will get 50 plants...thats more than before

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment davinci7_gis
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Those are the ones that are either on the government "dole" or are too stupid to understand that the ones who watch us are the ones who determine what is right or wrong!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment StarfishPrime
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From: http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/

  • My response is "So do you have curtains?" or "Can I see your credit-card bills for the last year?"
  • So my response to the "If you have nothing to hide ... " argument is simply, "I don't need to justify my position. You need to justify yours. Come back with a warrant."
  • I don't have anything to hide. But I don't have anything I feel like showing you, either.
  • If you have nothing to hide, then you don't have a life.
  • Show me yours and I'll show you mine.
  • It's not about having anything to hide, it's about things not being anyone else's business.
  • Bottom line, Joe Stalin would [have] loved it. Why should anyone have to say more?
Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment GubbermintWorker
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Great read....thanks!

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 05:51 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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That link triggered some sort of vncprobe software towards my PC!  The offending ip address is 71.95.196.119 (Charter-net-hky-nc).  Be careful out there!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment mudduck
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None of the attendies at the recent Bilderberg meeting had anything to hide, lets see all their calls and e-mails. Oops, right then, no one who recently testified at the recent IRS tea party targeting hearings has anything to hide, bring out the call transcripts and e-mails. Oh right, of course, someones private info might be disclosed, can't have that. Maybe just have an independant third party go over them just to make sure you know....

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Renewable Life
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No they haven't become civil anything!  Those POS assholes have suddenly realized, that "they" are NOT part of the "priviliaged class" they thought they were!

The MSM and the idiot federal politicians thought they were part of the priviliaged class of people who the Constitution "applied" too! They thought they were in the Kings court, protected, and still had privacy, rights, liberty, etc

They believed the 9-11 BS patriot act crowd was correct and more importantly, they believed they were the smart. special people who deserved the Constitution, but the rest of the people can't be trusted!

So they are absolutely enraged, to learn the reality and the truth, that they have been placed by the King (.gov) into the crowd of average citizens! That they are ALSO subject to be spied on, threatened, and controlled by TPTB! 

It couldnt happen to a better bunch of assholes, welcome to the bottom idiots, feels great doesn't it?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Smuckers
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Do I have to click 'Send', or can I just leave it in my Drafts for them?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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Speakin' for myself, I think I'll be leaving out the "sir" part. Try "asshole" instead.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment Big Slick
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Ask "Why _____?"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment docmac324
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As long as their are conduits to keep the mind occupied, it will continue with aplumb.

Americka is not getting any "smarter" if you noticed.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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Plums are apparently becoming more popular though...  :P

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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"For the citizens of our country there is no justification, no national security assertion, that will dissuade us from the premise that our current government, in listening to every phone call and reading every transmission on the internet, is violating t.... hey, wow a #sale @Macy's!!"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Joe_in_Indiana
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Let's get off the pot! Take this FISA order to the SCOTUS and ask them if it is Constitutional or not!

I think they are afraid to do so because it would be thought of as Unconstitutional Immediately.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Shad_ow
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Yeah, just like Obamacare.  Oh, wait.

 

Depends on what the NSA has on the conservative justices, if any really are conservative or honest.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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Rand Paul has an excellent opinion piece in the WSJ. 

Power corrupts, always has, always will.  If government has big brother capabilites, it will only be a matter of time before they are abused, if not already.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment imapopulistnow
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(That was my opinion, not Paul's)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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If and when? LOL, it's been going on for decades.

Rand Paul is a disgrace to his fathers legacy. He supported Mitt Romney, who endorses all of this bullshit.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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Yup.......grandstands but doesn't walk the talk.........besides......he's in the Senate and you don't get there without taking one up the pipe.......so little chance he will be there for the people...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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If Rand Paul completely misses on the big things (like endorsing the statist warmonger Romney), who cares what he thinks on others issues.

Sorry, this guy doesn't cut it. I don't trust him at all.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment machineh
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'Cease immediately.'

The only issues that get URGENT action from Congress are resolutions supporting Israel. 

When it comes to OUR well-being, not so much. Eight senators are filing a bill to compel the FISA court to reveal its rulings:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/11/us-senators-government-secret-court-surveillance?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20aux-1%20mini-bento:Bento%20box%208%20col:Position1

What would this accomplish, other than telling us what we already know?

If these Depublicrat imposters were serious, they would be filing impeachment charges.

All else is smoke-blowing, foot-dragging distraction.

The die is cast: DELAY, DENY, DECEIVE.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment devo
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Why do Libertarians love making up founding father quotes?

Those sound like they were written by a 5th grader after 50 years of "dumbing down America". Come on now, get some real quotes!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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From who? There isn't anyone in gov't worth quoting now.

Maybe they are all "dumbed down" as well?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment devo
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I mean some real Jefferson, Madison, et al quotes. There are misquotes and fake quotes by these guys all over the net that get perpetuated to the point they're incorrectly attributed.

Here is an example: http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/private-banks-quotation

Thumb me down all you want; I want real quotes and you should, too. Quotes aren't real just because you like what they say.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment screw face
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Woooh Jah....

that was good...MOAR....please

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment screw face
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+1

point well taken

Starve the beast....no need to attack

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Dude,

1) Lack of evidence does not prove lack of existance.

2) The quote fits what Jefferson believed and was reflected by later Democrats like Andrew Jackson. Jefferson had the example of the French fiat fiasco when they issued paper currency based on real estate and that crashed, impoverishing milions of Frenchmen and laid the foundation for the French Revolution that Jefferson initially supported. 

3) The words inflate and deflate were first publicly used for economics in the early 1800's around 1830, and so were probably in vogue ell before that among those who were in discussion regarding the topic well before anyone was bold enough to publish. And to use those words to describe a process similar to the French currency bubble is hardly all that imaginative since the two words were well in use by Jeffersons time to describe when things get bigger and then get smaller. Jeffersons inventive use of the English language does not equate to spuriousness later when quoting him.

My bet is that Jefferson said something very similar to that quote and his fellow Democrat-Republicans felt almost the exact same way for decades.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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"Why do Libertarians love making up founding father quotes? Come on now, get some real quotes!"

OK, here one that's highly relevant to a population like ours that apparently doesn't mind a high tech police state infrastructure that makes the Stasi's look amateurish:

In an interview with Gilbert in Göring's jail cell during the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials (18 April 1946):

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.  (of course, we now know what a farce that claim has become)

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment devo
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The messed up thing is ZH could easily be NSA.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Is that a real quote?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Dr. Richard Head
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I am in a battle with my local village council right now - http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2013/06/05/news/doc51ae020c64b8b675299157.txt

One of the things I found most intriguing, after pouring over the "legislative" actions of the council, is that every fucking ordinance they pass includes "AND DECLARING A STATE OF EMERGENCY".  Every fucking last one of them.  Want to know why?  If ordinances were passed without that tag, the village council couldn't push so many new codes down our throat so quickly.  There are supposed to be three readings of an ordiance before a vote can take place and between each reading a waiting period of X days would be required.  When they read it with the "declaring a state of emergency" they can eliminate the waiting period inbetween.

"If there is no emergency, we will create one to respond to" - Any dickwad politician of any stripe. 

I HAVE FUCKING HAD ENOUGH OF EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.  ABOLISH IT ALL.  STICK THAT IN YOUR PPIPE AND SMOKE IT PAUL GILL NSA FAG!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment SeeNoEvil
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Great article !

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment falak pema
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the key phrase that Jefferson says and the declaration of human rights trumpets as well :

...But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others.... 

Might is not right in the pursuit of one's happiness, as the golden rule applies. Something that should come voluntarily but, given human nature,  comes under duress of rule of law imposed by government; whence the power of the elected, inevitable and necessary and need for balance, separation of counter powers; to ensure no abuse by those who wield it. 

Transparency and equal access to justice then is the cornerstone to ensure that liberties stay compatible with duty  to others' freedom. Transparency ensures all denial when faced with fact is near impossible.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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The NSA was established in 1952. We're a tad behind the curve.

They been intercepting, listening, reading and storing information on Americans for 60 years now. Chew on that fact for a minute.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment rejected
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" We should say this to any man that has undertaken to pervert the rights that we have ascribed to ourselves in the formation of our government."

 

Does this apply to those 'americans' working at said intel agencies? You know, those smiling people that wave at you from their car when going to work every morning...

 

Government is the means..................People are the engine.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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You mean to say that these crooks and thieves, wolves in sheep's clothing, are not looking out for our best interests?

Who can look out for your own best interests, unless you are looking out as well?

And how can you protect your own best interests unless you are also willing to protect those of others ?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Dr.Evil
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Most people are not aware! Or don't care. See  Alxea for todays Hot topics on the net.
Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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What we need is another reality TV show, but one where all the content is provided by the NSA and all that content is extremely embarrassing to pubic figures (and their children)...

If the mob demands dumbed-down infotainment, give then their medicine wrapped in something they want to consume. 

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment criticalreason
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i expect there plenty more revelations to pop out to keep the story alive for another few weeks but if the polits and the media not that interested then that will b the end of it.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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If you consider Wall Street; every strategy discussed, every potential business transaction written in an email has now been read by our government and the information could be released with great harm resulting to the involved parties...

 

FUCK WALL STREET> THEY ARE THE LAST MOTHERFUCKERS ON EARTH I GIVE A DAMN ABOUT> THEY ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE FASCIST STATE YOU FREAKING 'TARD.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment OpTwoMistic
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Ok.

“You have overstepped your boundaries Sir.”

Who is listening?

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Janet freaking side show Napolitano works for the Queen of England.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment eatthebanksters
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The 4th ammendment gives us no ability to protect ourselves from tyranny if the tyrant knows what we are thinking.  This NSA program is not about protecting us from foreign terrorists, this is everything about protecting the government from the dissent that will come when Obama and his comrades destroy our way of life.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment lunaticfringe
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Nobody argues with the founding fathers. You know why? Because they were right. Once in awhile, a design is so perfect, so flawless timeless- that it never needs tweaking.

Such was the Constitution, the 1911 .45 auto, and the HD Roadking. 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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a·mend·ment)n.1. The act of changing for the better; improvement

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:44 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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a·mend·ment)n.1. The act of changing for the better; improvement

The amendment process is part of the Constitutions flawlessness, not evidence of its imperfection.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment RunningMan
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I agree with Mark Grant. I wrote letters to my Senators and Representative yesterday. Time to stand up and defend our country.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment carbon
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House Speaker John Boehner today called NSA leaker Edward Snowden a “traitor” who put Americans at risk by releasing classified information to the media.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment pods
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Yep, and orange Oompa Loompa heads roll just like normal ones.

pods

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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I contacted Boehner's office this morning to tell him that he and his fellow pubes were wrong...Snowden is a hero....

Smaller gov't, much smaller gov't means less of my stuff gets seized by the NSA

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:52 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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that's all I need to know - Snowden, hero; Boehner, asshole

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment csmith
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It is not a Republican tactic or a Democrat tactic...

 

But, depending upon who is in power, it can be used as the most powerful weapon imaginable against the opposition. This is the core of the problem. Therefore neither party should have access to it.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Dude, the GOP and Dems do not oppose each other.

They are just different puppets in the same shadow theater.

The real opposition is the 99% who the 1% are dry fucking in the ass.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment russwinter
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I am getting set to move to Uruguay later this year. I spent a year and a half in Rio de Janerio, had the time of my life, but Uruguay is more tranquil and safe.

https://secure.internationalliving.com/121SUR12DX/W121N7E3/

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment kralizec
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It should be said to a Democrat. It should be said to a Republican.

What?  Indy's and others off the hook?  Says who?

Whatever.

Talk is cheap anyway, actions are all that matter.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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Just think how much it would help political strategizing. If you know where you opponent is going to spend campaign dollars. If you know what points of attack he will bring against you in the political discourse. If you know where he is going to deploy his political capital, you invariably have the upper hand.

 

This could explain the results of the last election (that and 108% precinct voting)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment notadouche
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So basically the citizen is asked to carry a larger tax burden in order to allow the authority to electronically video, record, store and monitor our every movement at which point in time as the authority deem it necessary to use all of this information to incriminate us at the moment of their choosing. We must allow and PAY for it for our own protection. Furthermore the citizen is not allowed to have the same access to keep a sensible checks and balance on the the authority to ensure there is no abuse. Alrighty then sounds perfectly sensible, in some Bizarro world that no sane person would choose. Very convenient for the elites though.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Half of the citizens are dependent on the State's ability to sieze the labor (tax dollars) of other citizens.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment notadouche
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I contend that every citizen has broken a law multiple times in their life. There are so many laws many wouldn't even know it. At some point all that has to be said by the authority is that "so and so is a known criminal" and the majority will just shrug and say they got what they deserved.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment XitSam
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Multiple times? How about Three Felonies a Day

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Citizenship Ceremony:

So, Dear Mexican immigrants, now that you have experienced the kind of freedom and privacy that only the US of A can offer, we invite you to stay, bring your parents, children, brothers and sisters...

(Hot mike:  Stop them, they're running away!  Do you think than any of them realize that the post facto border security was going to keep them from ever going home again?)

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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However, it is unconstitutional to ask immigrants for their papers.  Citizens on the other hand...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment BigInJapan
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Wha? ME?

I blame James, the nigga hatin' dolphin.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment auric1234
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FUCK YOU STASI

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment Smuckers
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A shame people are not as fired up over protecting their digital space as their physical.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Escapedgoat
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I know this may be out of subject. TODAY THE  Under occupation Greece closes the State Television ERT (THE ONLY NON PRIVATE NEWS ORGANISATION) . Therefore any news comming out of Greece, YOU MAY AS WELL ASK THE SQUID. Or the Central Command in Brussels

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment kurzdump
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A right to properies requires a state to grant this right and to eventually prosecute someone else infringing this right. The state is the very basis of our society and has to be protected against external and internal disruption. Due to the increasing complexity of our society the complexity of the state increases as well and constantly reduces the level of individual liberty.

Im sick of people calling for liberty while gathering up properties and using social and public services.

Get rid of the state and disband your nations if you want liberty! Grab yourself a gun and defend your "properties" on your own or gather more at gunpoint. Or build up a farm wherever you want without asking anyone. Thats liberty! Do you really want it?

I do. If you dont, you HAVE TO obey your masters anyway.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Chump
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I stopped here:

A right to properies requires a state to grant this right

Blathering idiot.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment kurzdump
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Read more details about "properties":

http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/pdf/prop.pdf

Private property is a legal concept and this requires a state for it to exist.

Anyway, you guys are having faith in the state. So its pointless to proceed.

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment JimBowie1958
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Dude ownership existed long before any state gave formal recognition to and protection of property.

Fucking public education....SHIT!

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Chump
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No kidding.

"Rights are granted by the state!  Here is a state document to substantiate my claim!"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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legal concepts are a state-defined idea.
PROPERTY comes from nature itself. All animals & plants do things to claim their territory, some using force, some using merely scent identifiers like pissing on a bush. Fungus actually uses mycotoxin not just against non-fungi but against EACH OTHER to identify their territory.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment kurzdump
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My native language is not English. Maybe I was not using the right words.

There is a difference between possession and ownership. Possession is natural. Ownership is a legal concept. I was talking about "private property" in context of ownership. In my native language we use the same word for "property" and ownership. There is another word for property in possession.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Chump
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The problem I'm having now is fitting this comment in with your initial comment.  You stated that property rights are granted by the state.  Are you now saying that ownership rights are granted by the state?  In English this is known as splitting hairs (creating a difference where there is virtually no difference).

Stepping back, it seems to me that you're saying an organized state helps to defend property rights, and I would agree in theory.  This is among the primary reasons humans organize themselves in the first place.  But, that is a far cry from the assertion that property rights originate from the state.

Thanks for responding, and at this point I apologize for insulting you initially.  I hate statists and communists especially, and your initial comment screamed "commie" to me.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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NO, a right to property starts with taking posession of it and ends with force to maintain it so.
All rights to property are in nature: you try telling a bear a cave isn't is: if you've got a gun you win, if not, the bear wins.

Governments & states grant no rights but they do use force to take away your property.

AND YES, I definitely want a less complex society with NO such forceful intervention by governments, as many others prefer. We'd all be safer that way.

Why don't you ask how the state has granted rights here:
http://youtu.be/w8dzHZNMpIU
The right to have your child shot sleeping when police go to the wrong house, that's a right, isn't it?
Oh it's not? Hmmmm

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment flacorps
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Ever read the 9th Amendment? The founders admitted they didn't think of all the rights, and that others might be found inherent in the people. One they didn't think of was the right to privacy. The Supreme Court Griswold case established it based on "emanations" from the other enumerated rights. It is that right that the government now freely tramples.

Now, were I in a position to do so, I would suggest that there is another right that the founders neglected. Provisionally (until someone comes up with a better term) I would call it "The Right of Autonomy" or alternatively "The Right to Liberty" and I would define it as follows: There is a sphere of personal action into which the government should not be able to intrude. The term "Liberty" appears to be greatly out of favor, hence I use the more neutral philosophical term "Autonomy." The Declaration of Independence does mention "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" and I would argue that Autonomy may be broader than mere liberty, encompassing the latter two. In other words, "Liberty" refers to immediate action, while "The Pursuit of Happiness" is measured over a longer time-scale which (should) involve planning.

For instance, I would suggest that tying a mandate to buy health insurance into the tax code would violate the Right of Autonomy (to cite one of the most egregious examples). In my view, the right could be impinged simply by an excess of regulations that in and of themselves alone would not overly burden the individual's daily life. In other words, there should be a limit to what can be done by law for our own good.

As an example of the latter, Americans cannot buy a sub-$10,000 Chevy known as the Sail. It doesn't have the plethora of safety and emissions features currently required, although it would have met the standards prevalent in the '90s.

I also find fault with 90% of what Mayor Bloomberg tries to foist on people. The baby formula restrictions is the one step I do agree on because the baby is not yet able to express its preference to have breast-feeding, which will make its brain 30% larger than formula would allow for.

Would the Supreme Court ever recognize such a right? I don't think so. It would be a bombshell that would undo so much do-gooding that the country's collective vapors would overwhelm. But there's always hope.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment MedicalQuack
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James Madison and Thomas Jefferson didn't have social networks to deal with either:)  Sorry had to say that.  This is good though as folks are beginning to get mad and pay attention so I guess that is what it takes. 

The Killer Algorithms don't care who they bite and what legacy are we leaving for our kids with this...one thing all of this has addressed is sadly how little the average citizen knows about the mechanics of all of this and exactly why I keep trying to educate and inform as the big danger is data used out of context..."you can do anything with software" to quote the man who wrote the software that all the banks used in sub prime. he makes that comment in the documentary about the Quants of Wall Street..always in my blog footer so easy to find:)

Recommended Reading: “Where’s the Outrage Over Private Snooping?” “The Killer Algorithms Have Teeth & Don’t Care Who They Might Bite and here's the link if you don't mind getting mad while you read...good stuff here and someone besides myself beating this drum.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/06/recommended-reading-wheres-outrag...

 

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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Rights do not come from a piece of paper, or rulers that hold up the piece of paper saying it gives them the "right" to rule.

 

They aren't my founding fathers. I don't have founding fathers. I am my own person and I do not live by some "Master Plan" whipped up by someone master planners that was created for "their" benefit.

 

When Benjamin Franklin was asked what kind of a Government we have, he replied, 'A republic, if you can keep it'. IF? You see, he already knew right then and there that there was a problem.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment flacorps
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The founding fathers attempted to found the most limited government they thought could survive, *only after* having experienced one that was not quite robust enough (although it might have held up, had not the mischievous British secretly counterfeited the shit out of its currency).

The Constitution has a Bill of Rights attached because weakening the Federal Government was a necessity to assure passage of the document--otherwise several states were ready to scuttle the whole thing.

So what you're saying is that in your view what the founders thought was the most minimal setup that could do the job was too much? Keep in mind that what we have today has gone far astray from what we had when Alexis de Tocqueville found a thriving and free country in 1831.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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A free country with slaves in it... 'American' freedom.

Slavery is freedom.

Trend started on 1776, July, 4th.

It just kept expanding since that day.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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This comment is utterly stupid. Can propagandists come with better stuff?

The answer shows in the wrong place. Comes to answer the following comment on who said citizens djajaja...

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:02 | Link to Comment akak
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A stinking, polluted country with roadside-shitting slaves in it... Chinese Citizenism-style freedom.

Roadside crapmongery is hygiene.

Trend started on 1949, October, 1st.

It just kept blobbing-up since that day.

Welcome to the Chinese Shitizenism world, it's a disgusting place, you'll see.

"Caution: Same Old Shit"

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Welcome to an AnAnonymystical world. It's a Sino-Atlantean Euro-Indopean Antarctico-Lunar place, you'll see.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment akak
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You forgot Lemurian.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 17:17 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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You got it:

aside from the First Nations people everyone else is an illegal immigrant - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj0HVR3-yLA

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Ckierst1
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The American Revolution didn't seek to free all men from tyrants, just some men.  Bonded servitude was common in that era and had been going on for over a century, not counting native peoples societies.  Sometimes it was voluntary and finite - essentially an exchange.  Other times it was permanent and constituted chattel slavery. The Enlightenment wasn't an instantaneous event, rather a gradual change in the minds of men.  A long journey begins with a single step.  Simply because all men didn't agree completely and at the same time on all the philosophical precepts doesn't invalidate an ideological movement. We advance civilization on the shoulders of other pioneers and dreamers of better things, who were also men and thusly fallible, imperfect, inconsistant and somewhat hypocritical.  Don't try to smugly judge other eras through the lenses of the politically correct 21st century.  The heros of that age DID capture some liberty.  It's loss was assured in 1865.  We're currently losing the illusions of a remnant mythology of liberty.  We may be able to salvage some liberty but I have some doubts that it will occur via the ballot box.

Tue, 06/11/2013 - 15:11 | Link to Comment OneTinSoldier66
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@flacorps

 

What I am saying is that, what your are saying and upholding, is what has gotten us to where we are today.

 

I invite you to please watch the following:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGP6ck6aFXA

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!