Snowden' Second Interview To Hong Kong Paper: "I Am Not Here To Hide From Justice; I Am Here To Reveal Criminality"

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Following the dramatic self-revelatory interview/profiling of Edward Snowden by the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald, the media world, and everyone else, has been abuzz about what other revelations the NSA whistleblower may bring to light. Moments ago, the South China Morning Post releases the much anticipated second interview with the 29 year old. While hardly earth-shattering, it does provide some additional insight into the mind of the administration's current persona most non grata.

From South China Morning Post:

Snowden said last night that he had no doubts about his choice of Hong Kong.

 

“People who think I made a mistake in picking Hong Kong as a location misunderstand my intentions. I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality,” Snowden said in an exclusive interview with the South China Morning Post.

 

“I have had many opportunities to flee HK, but I would rather stay and fight the United States government in the courts, because I have faith in Hong Kong’s rule of law,” he added.

 

Snowden says he has committed no crimes in Hong Kong and has “been given no reason to doubt [Hong Kong’s legal] system”.

 

“My intention is to ask the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate,” he said.

 

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Beijing will seek to interfere in a likely extradition case.

 

The Hong Kong government has so far refused to comment on Snowden’s case. While many Hong Kong lawmakers, legal experts, activisits and members of the public have called on the city’s courts to protect Snowden’s rights, others such as Beijing loyalist lawmaker and former security chief Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee said he should leave.

 

Hong Kong Human Rights Monitor director Law Yuk-kai said he was surprised by Snowden’s choice, adding: “Snowden’s positive view of Hong Kong no longer matches the reality.”

 

Law said a possible reason for his choice could be Hong Kong’s role as the region’s news hub.

 

“Hong Kong remains a hub of the global media, not least because of its proximity to the economic boom in southern China and the ease of access to many other Asian cities. The publicity could complicate efforts by the United States to charge Snowden and have him deported,” he said.

 

Snowden said yesterday that he felt safe in the city.

 

“As long as I am assured a free and fair trial, and asked to appear, that seems reasonable,” he said.

 

He says he plans to stay in Hong Kong until he is “asked to leave”.

 

The United States has not yet filed an application for extradition.

 

Snowden could choose to fight any extradition attempt in court. Another option open to him is to seek refugee status from the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees in Hong Kong.

 

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Local activists plan to take to the streets on Saturday in support of Snowden. Groups including the Civil Human Rights Front and international human rights groups will march from Chater Gardens in Central to the US consulate on Garden Road, starting at 3pm.

 

The march is being organised by In-media, a website supporting freelance journalists.

 

“We call on Hong Kong to respect international legal standards and procedures relating to the protection of Snowden; we condemn the US government for violating our rights and privacy; and we call on the US not to prosecute Snowden,” the group said in a statement.

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Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:53 | 3650257 The Juggernaut
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'I'm neither traitor nor hero. I'm an American.' - Edward Snowden

Damn this dude is a hero

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:53 | 3650262 nope-1004
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He's got more guts than all the pampered bank CEO's currently running insolvent institutions.  I give him credit.

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:00 | 3650279 Pladizow
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"Treason doth never prosper. For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." - Sir John Harrington 1561-1613

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:14 | 3650363 Fanatic
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"Truth is treason in the empire of lies". -Ron Paul

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:17 | 3650377 MillionDollarBogus_
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Has Snowdumb mentioned the agreement he signed and dated, which stated the max punishment should he divulge the secret info he was to handle..??

That is the key.

He is so screwed.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:20 | 3650389 bagehot99
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MDB - are you a national security hawk now? LOL, and an expert on the detailed terms applied to government contractors!! I'm pretty sure you were a massive defender of Scooter Libby, weren't you? Hello? You did defend non-leaker Libby, right?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:25 | 3650395 The Juggernaut
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Yes.  As an American, he did obviously uphold the US Constitution agreement.  Unlike the vast majority of DC... and you, MillionDollarBogus_.

Wasn't it "Bonus"?

"Earlier, in the interview in which he revealed his identity to the world, Snowden explained that he had sought refuge in Hong Kong because it “has a strong tradition of free speech” and “a long tradition of protesting in the streets.”

Local activists plan to take to the streets on Saturday in support of Snowden. Groups including the Civil Human Rights Front and international human rights groups will march from Chater Gardens in Central to the US consulate on Garden Road, starting at 3pm."

I am Edward Snowden!

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:47 | 3650509 NotApplicable
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There are several versions of this troll. I'm not even sure the original is still around anymore.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:47 | 3650715 redpill
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Any one of these dirtbag politicians that try to call this man a traitor are only condemning themselves.  The curtain just got pulled back and the roaches are running.  Fuck yeah, Ed Snowden, fuck yeah!  How do we donate to the legal defense fund?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 21:20 | 3652380 mjcOH1
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"...because I have faith in Hong Kong’s rule of law,” he added."

He's articulate and I've enjoyed reading the transcripts of his interviews. There's been little bluster or bullshit in his remarks. Until this one that is. Sounds like he got bored and hit the cheap saki before that gem. Good luck with Communist Chinese courts or civil liberty protections.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:25 | 3650415 MillionDollarBogus_
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Years ago I signed a 'need to know' agreement in order to receive a security clearance. 

Snowdumb did the same.

He has scewed himself in a royal fashion...

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:26 | 3650422 The Juggernaut
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MillionDollarBogus_:  You're a traitor to the USA.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:32 | 3650664 JimBowie1958
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And MDB is a liar since he shuold know that a NDA does not cover CRIMINAL activity, of course.

That so many normally intelligent Americans think this guy a traitor for whistleblowing shows haow stupid the public has become.

Our democracy is almost brain-dead.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:30 | 3650429 Bay of Pigs
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"Secret info"...LOL. How about just providing confirmation of what many already suspected/knew?

He understood exactly what he was doing. And what about you? How's the view from the bleachers pussy?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:06 | 3650582 ToNYC
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the bleacher's view is much better now that the panties are off.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:38 | 3650478 Henry Rearden
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Agreements become invalid if illegal activity is involved.  Not having a search warrant to gain access to someones information is illegal. 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:28 | 3650643 BraveSirRobin
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This is a potentially valid point, and may be the bone of his legal defense. You cannot use government classification to attemtp to hide or coverup illicit or criminal activity. However, if the program exposed is deemed legal, and the government will contend it is so, he will be prosecuted and convicted. His trial will be political not in the sense of it being a show trial, but in the sense that the determination of the american people as to the legality and acceptability of what he has exposed will determine his fate.

Latest polls show a majority of the people are OK with what the NSA is doing, so it looks like life in a SUPERMAX for Snowden.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:27 | 3650416 RichardP
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... stated the max punishment should he divulge the secret info he was to handle..

Can you be more specific?  There is people's private information that the government collected that he was to handle.  Then there is the fact that the government was actually collecting said private information.

He has not revealed people's private information that he was handling.  He has only revealed the fact that the government was collecting it.  Do you think he signed an agreement that laid out the maximum punishment he would receive if he revealed that the government was collecting your personal information, illegally?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:34 | 3650916 BraveSirRobin
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So here's a list of all the countries without an extradition treaty with the US:

: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

There are quite a few suprises here considering the political relationships between the US and some of these countries. I have been to quite a few of these places and would deffinitely have my preferences. It is not clear if Hong Kong must honor an extradition because of China's status. In any event, Snowden can quickly slip the border to China if he feels pressure to do so. Hong Kong is also the media capital of the region, so it's easy to get his story out.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:25 | 3650421 OutLookingIn
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Only if he is under the exclusive domain and custody of the good ole U.S. of A.

Otherwise, he can legally renounce and tell them to go "pound salt"!

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:30 | 3650434 Black Swan 9
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His integrity trumps your fear, MDB.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:22 | 3650628 angel_of_joy
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Your Bonus already turned Bogus ??

Interesting...

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:45 | 3650711 MillionDollarBogus_
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What bonus.?  We've been downsized - cutbacks are hell.

My point here is not that the govenment has engaged in illegal activity.  They do that stuff every day. Just ask any American Indian with knowledge of treaty violations going back to day 1.

Like a driver rolling through a red light, or driving while legally drunk, the goverment gets away with what it can, while they can, as long as they can.  Call it human nature.  Cheat until you get caught, then quit cheating.  Everyone does it.  Nixon is the poster-boy of government cheating/coverup.

So-dumb signed a confidentiality agreement of sorts.  The deal had nothing to do with the content of the info his employer handled.  The deal was that he would not talk about what he did.  He decided to not be quiet.  He broke an agreement.

Who here has never signed a confidentiality agreement?  Based on my red arrow count, I would say 99% or more.

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:31 | 3650903 Terminus C
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Confidentiality agreements do not pertain to notification of illegal activities.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:54 | 3651022 MillionDollarBogus_
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Hence the Patriot Act.

Every bit of data gathering will always be protected by the PA.

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 17:22 | 3651627 analyzer_66
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its funny how that old Patriot act was already written well before 911 happened, then, in the middle of the night, while no one was looking, the Patriot act was rammed down our throats with few lawmakers actually reading the "BOOK" that is the Patriot act.  The snowjob on our right to privacy, is now being....

Snowden'ed ??

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 18:35 | 3651847 NeedtoSecede
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Back in the late '80s I was assigned to an Air Force recon unit that required a very high level security clearence and we were "forced" to sign all sorts of shit. And then upon leaving the AF, I was required to sign another "agreement" that supposedly shut me up for 70 years (pretty funny eh?). So yes, agreements like MDB describes are for real. HOWEVER, and this is a big however, there were limits even on those documents for those of us in the military at the time. We were not required to follow illegal orders and were in fact required to blow the whistle on illegal orders and activities. And "I was just following orders" was not a defense to illegal activity. And finally, as an AirForce Officer, I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. (One of the reasons I got out was many of the missions I was flying had absolutely nothing to do with our defending our Constitution)

So yes, Snowden probably signed some worthless paper, but if he can prove he was trying to uncover illegal activity he may have legal cover. I do realize there may be differences between active military and contractors, and things have gone full retard FUBAR since my days, so I think some confidentiality docs are the least of his concerns.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:16 | 3650843 Dr. No
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Did the SS sign agreements with Hitler?  Didnt mean dick when it was all over.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 16:25 | 3651429 booboo
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hey Retardius Maximus Bogusius, you ass mutts need to get your story striaght.

 Monday the narrative was "he was a traitor and committed treason" today it is, "Well, this so called evil spying, it's really reasonable peek a boos into a huge pile trying to find the needles befor they are stuck in the hay stack" (kinda like the boston bombers that they knew about but did nothing, you know, actionable information that the lame ass gooberment does not take action on because it harm to human life can be leveraged.)

So I ask: what state secrets did he divulge? OR If is really not big deal that they spy on us, what did he violate?

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:20 | 3650388 jbvtme
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the nsa fucks with our privacy and snowden is a hero.  and he is.  the us army slaughters civilians in bagdad and bradley manning is a footnote.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:33 | 3650452 Black Swan 9
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Maybe this will help Bradley Manning..

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:35 | 3650675 JimBowie1958
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Manning was a homosexual who put out US military secrets to embarras a former lover.

Manning is of ZERO comparison to Snowden.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:33 | 3650910 Terminus C
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Does it still sting that he embarrassed you?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 15:45 | 3651262 tunnelvizn
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Something only a current lover would ask !

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:34 | 3658171 JimBowie1958
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You know, counter-acusations are the cheapest, least creative and boring rhetorical tactics in the books.

Manning is no hero, but a confused and angry little twit.

Your low-life humor does nothing to change those facts.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 11:58 | 3650284 doomandbloom
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Can we extradite Obama to Hong Kong pls? ( for a fair trial) what are the rules on that one?

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:03 | 3650310 icanhasbailout
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Conveniently the EPA has a document on the subject.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/policies/civil/rcra/intnltrahazw...

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:05 | 3650311 Joe Sixpack
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Well let's see. When he was born he was a British dual national at best, but Hong Kong is no longer tied to the Brits politically. He was/i an Indonesian citizen, so that angle could be investigated. He may be a US citizen or may have been at some point in time, but I'm not sure that helps either way.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 15:26 | 3651175 LostAtSea
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Not to take anything away from his heroics, but I bet he had some pussy lined up in Hong Kong.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 16:25 | 3651422 Meat Hammer
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MDB lives in Hong Kong???

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:07 | 3650325 falak pema
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lol, maybe WB7 can get him to do an interview on how he became GWB's soul brother. 

 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:02 | 3650565 DeadFred
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This is a difficult question. Do the Hong Kong/USA rules apply or do the Hong Kong/Kenyan rules trump them. Hard coices.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:10 | 3650814 Gazooks
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Moscow rules entirely

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:15 | 3650367 Buzz Fuzzel
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He's got 5 times the guts of all our papererd politicians currently running an insolvent country.  I give him credit too.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:43 | 3650495 resurger
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+1000000000 lol

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:02 | 3650293 smlbizman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw442y2fTeU..

once again,  bradley manning also...

im glad they are going to take to the streets....as an american i will be watching jerry springer...and wont be available that day...

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 13:46 | 3650712 BraveSirRobin
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I will state Manning's case is different. Manning contends he released the classified information in reaction to callousness he saw expressed in combat "shooter" videos, or so I recall. However, he did not release only that video, he relased everything he could get his hands on, no matter what its nature or potential to expose perfectly legal and legitmate activity because of disdain for a single particular action unrelated to all the other documents he released. Snowden's defense is that he saw illegal activity that was classified to keep it from autorities and the american people, and that the documents he is exposing are narrowly drawn and focused on that illegal activity.

There is a big differnce between the two. One is focused in his exposure, the other had a visceral reaction that smaked more of personal retaliation that lead to a lot damge and people getting killed. Manning is no hero. I will wait for more information to make a judgement on Snowden. First reports are often wrong, but it appears from my point of view the NSA and USG are engaged in something called a "general warrant" which is exactly and specifically what the 4th Amendment was adopted to prohibit. 

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 14:22 | 3650867 Gazooks
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Manning did what he could 

the sheer volume was immense

it was not vindictiveness that drove him

it was realizing the depths of military carelessness

calousness and malicious incompetence

and the political universe of war lies 

 

interesting timing for Snowden's action amid Manning's CM

hope it's a trend

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 00:40 | 3653126 BraveSirRobin
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No, Manning was rash and reckless. He released a multitude of documents that had nothing to do with the supposed sins that drove him to his action. As a result, a number of people were killed as they were exposed as collabortors with US and allied forces. His actions were as crass and callow as those he coplained about. He is not hero.

Wed, 06/12/2013 - 18:43 | 3651870 NeedtoSecede
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+1 For closing the circle on general warrants and the 4th Amendments.

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