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Snowden' Second Interview To Hong Kong Paper: "I Am Not Here To Hide From Justice; I Am Here To Reveal Criminality"
Following the dramatic self-revelatory interview/profiling of Edward Snowden by the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald, the media world, and everyone else, has been abuzz about what other revelations the NSA whistleblower may bring to light. Moments ago, the South China Morning Post releases the much anticipated second interview with the 29 year old. While hardly earth-shattering, it does provide some additional insight into the mind of the administration's current persona most non grata.
From South China Morning Post:
Snowden said last night that he had no doubts about his choice of Hong Kong.
“People who think I made a mistake in picking Hong Kong as a location misunderstand my intentions. I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality,” Snowden said in an exclusive interview with the South China Morning Post.
“I have had many opportunities to flee HK, but I would rather stay and fight the United States government in the courts, because I have faith in Hong Kong’s rule of law,” he added.
Snowden says he has committed no crimes in Hong Kong and has “been given no reason to doubt [Hong Kong’s legal] system”.
“My intention is to ask the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate,” he said.
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Beijing will seek to interfere in a likely extradition case.
The Hong Kong government has so far refused to comment on Snowden’s case. While many Hong Kong lawmakers, legal experts, activisits and members of the public have called on the city’s courts to protect Snowden’s rights, others such as Beijing loyalist lawmaker and former security chief Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee said he should leave.
Hong Kong Human Rights Monitor director Law Yuk-kai said he was surprised by Snowden’s choice, adding: “Snowden’s positive view of Hong Kong no longer matches the reality.”
Law said a possible reason for his choice could be Hong Kong’s role as the region’s news hub.
“Hong Kong remains a hub of the global media, not least because of its proximity to the economic boom in southern China and the ease of access to many other Asian cities. The publicity could complicate efforts by the United States to charge Snowden and have him deported,” he said.
Snowden said yesterday that he felt safe in the city.
“As long as I am assured a free and fair trial, and asked to appear, that seems reasonable,” he said.
He says he plans to stay in Hong Kong until he is “asked to leave”.
The United States has not yet filed an application for extradition.
Snowden could choose to fight any extradition attempt in court. Another option open to him is to seek refugee status from the office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees in Hong Kong.
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Local activists plan to take to the streets on Saturday in support of Snowden. Groups including the Civil Human Rights Front and international human rights groups will march from Chater Gardens in Central to the US consulate on Garden Road, starting at 3pm.
The march is being organised by In-media, a website supporting freelance journalists.
“We call on Hong Kong to respect international legal standards and procedures relating to the protection of Snowden; we condemn the US government for violating our rights and privacy; and we call on the US not to prosecute Snowden,” the group said in a statement.
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This is not your traditional witch hunt in essence but rather is an educational "witch" hunt for consumers and Congress. Remember without private industry technology the government can't spy...the root.
So where's the outrage on private company snooping? Are we distracted once again? Also look at other companies who sell data and do business with the government too.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/06/recommended-reading-wheres-outrag...
I think he's just trying to make the point about data being used out of context and I said a few months back that this stands to be the biggest attack on consumers we have ever seen. Think about it when you read the news with studies and reports on how folks justify money, it's full of it and you end up looking hopefully for the context in which is was presented. If you blindly agree with all of this, then join the Feinstein and Boehner magpie club:) The video at the link is very cool in the fact that you hear big comapnies like Ford and NASA trying to figure out what they are doing with data and the comment from the T-Mobile gal is priceless..."what we are doing is silly"...in reference to finding true value.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2012/11/big-dataanalytics-if-used-out-of....
Good video and the best I have found about context...Charlie Siefe from NYU who wrote the book "Proofiness, the Dark Arts of Mathematical Deception"...I keep it in my blog footer too...he flat out tells you how numbers are manipulated and how we get sucked in.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2012/01/context-is-everythingmore-about-d...
Again, this is what I hear from Snowden, the information he's trying to put forward is that yes te government and companies can and do use data they have about you out of context if they want to put you away somehwere. If you have not watched the video about the Quants of Wall Street, do it as it further expands on this...when you hear Mike Osinski say "you can do anything with software" beleive it and he also comments on how it does not play out in the real world as designed all the time.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.hk/2012/09/quants-alchemists-of-wall-street-v...
If you want to go back in the archives on this, very interesting at New York Magazine fom 2009..tells his story there too. Ne sells oysters now to the same folks who bought the software he created:)
http://nymag.com/news/business/55687/
Again I think this is the real point Snowden is trying to make and to wake us all up as it happens queitly behind the scenes while we all get distracted on BS about abortions or something as goofy with getting priorities mixed up. One other element to think about as we all talk about banks being too big to fail, well we now have health insurers in the same area...they build up tons of subsidiaries with names that don't relate back to the main corporation and they just move along wiht their data and analytics...see this link for a real good idea on how it works with United..they have truckloads of subsidiaires tht work behind the scenes and you don't recognize them at all..huge with the military and maybe the contracts are so big and profitable that they can simpley shine on the states with participating in exchanges? Think about it..
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/06/united-healthcare-referral-algori...
Like I said above this is a new witch hunt for education for the consumers and Congress and how ti plays out remains to be seen I think, bliss or people asking questions and getting mad enough to want "real" answers versus magpie political rhetoric?
This guy is a Hero.
there more to the interview
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259490/washington-bullying-hong-kong-extradite-me-says-edward-snowden?
Maybe this has already been posted but the legal precedent for this is the Supreme Court case of Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735, 744 (1979).
Quote:
"(b) Petitioner in all probability entertained no actual expectation of privacy in the phone numbers he dialed, and even if he did, his expectation was not "legitimate." First, it is doubtful that telephone users in general have any expectation of privacy regarding the numbers they dial, since they typically know that they must convey phone numbers to the telephone company and that the company has facilities for recording this information and does, in fact, record it for various legitimate business purposes. And petitioner did not demonstrate an expectation of privacy merely by using his home phone, rather than some other phone, since his conduct, although perhaps calculated to keep the contents of his conversation private, was not calculated to preserve the privacy of the number he dialed. Second, even if petitioner did harbor some subjective expectation of privacy, this expectation was not one that society is prepared to recognize as "reasonable." When petitioner voluntarily conveyed numerical information to the phone company and "exposed" that information to its equipment in the normal course of business, he assumed the risk that the company would reveal the information."
In summary you have no privacy bitches if you use a phone in your own home and by extension a computer, email, or the internet since a company has to handle your information.
Huge difference between "expectation of privacy in the phone numbers dialed" and the expectation of privacy in the WORDS THAT ARE SPOKEN BETWEEN 2 PARTIES.
Society has always had a "reasonable" expectation of privacy concerning conversations between 2 parties on the telephone. At least until recently.
Smart guy for a HS dropout. Time to get rid of property taxes and Close all the baby sitting boondoggles.
Like the way Yahoo twists what he said with the headline quote,
""Edward Snowden says he intends to face justice in Hong Kong"
Dead man walking.
none of this is news.
i've come around to the view that we should help Obama - and just get this over with
round up all the terrorists - (AKA "Christians," "Constitutionalists," "Libertarians," "Pro-Lifers," "Occupy ..."
round up anyone critical of the federal reserve - anyone that opposes banker bailouts - anyone who has the temerity to disagree with our supreme leader - and just execute them. why not just dispatch the TSA and go ahead and send journalists and political dissidents to prison camps? Why not just go ahead and send predator drones to kill anyone who dares complain to the IRS?
these people who have taken over the US Governement are obviously sociopaths with demonic intentions. I am tired of waiting around for the next shoe to drop. I say go ahead and let thdm go out and rape and kill and maime and imprison and torture as many people as they need to make them happy. maybe then they would stop.
maybe - like ted bundy - government agents have an insitiable desire to round up kids, rape them, kill them, then put them in the refrigerator to eat later. maybe we should just accept that desire and give in. or allow acceptable quotas - say, if you're a politician or government empoyee or banker or reglator - you get to rape, kill, and eat 5 children per year - AND NO MORE!! -
the public is grasping to know - 'where is the bottom'? how far have we sunk and how much further will we descend. better to establish a realistic floor now than to let things unfurl naturally into oblivion.
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Come on, can a fire say "No more fuel, I've had enough"?
It's in the nature of the diseased sociopath to destroy himself while taking as much 'fuel'' with him as he goes.
The US Government is not filing for extradition yet because they are waiting to see what the polls indicate on American voter attitudes towards Snowden and to the NSA spying. I am sending out E mails to all those that I can and arguing in any public internet forum that Snowden is a hero and I would urge you guys to do the same.
Would it be going too far to plaster "honk if you love snowden" on the side of my truck in white shoe polish? lol
Never let a crisis go to waste...right? While all eyes and ears are distracted away from 401(k) statements by the MSM vilifying the Snowman the markets fall out of bed into the squids hands.
Telegraph is parroting the discrepency in his salary at Booz vs what he said - his story is "falling apart", evidently. I won't register at their site to explain benefits and per diem, but it's nice to know the media is still backing the NSA and Obama like this.
Perhaps in (n) days, when they finally nab Snowden, we will know the complete title of the next blockbuster movie, “(n) Days Of The Eagle”, the long awaited sequel to “Three Days Of The Condor” with a theme song by Robin Trower. Here’s to hoping Snowden is at least as agile and crafty as Joe Turner was in the end.
Here's a different take. What good does it do to have all info on everyone if its a secret so you can't use it? The best thing to do is let everyone know that you're collecting it. You get to see just how passive your populace actually is, you automatically get everyone to start sensoring themselves, and you are now free to use the information in prosecutions, IRS audits, etc. This leak seems like a plus all the way around for TPTB.
and more...
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1259508/snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-hong-kong-and-china-years?
OT: Lebanon, always the meat in the local strategic sandwich.
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So what's going on? A few recent developing news snippets from RT :
And lets not forget that a large part of the reason for the alleged UN 'peacekeepers' leaving, was because Israel kept bombing, shelling, blowing up vehicles, and intruding into others airspace, and generally stirring things up with blood curdling threats, and then they act all 'surprised' when UN peacekeepers got totally fed-up and left.
So what do we get from them now in its place?
And this:
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So Israel are scrambling to get any power to step into the northern border convergence zone, as a buffer and observer, for the UN. Because right now there's nothing there to hamper or observe Hezbollah-Syria-Iranian weapon resupply, and Israeli armour would get hammered if they tried to go in there to hold the area (as would many Israeli economic targets and cities). And the IDF will not want to risk giving Hezbollah and Iran a tactical heads-up about how its armour-defense systems like 'Trophy' fare in battle, nor allow them to practice tactics on how to negate them. They'll want to preserve that system for a far more serious battle.
Plus now the Syrian SAM air defense network, and the Syrian cruise missile bombardment forces, and artillery rocket forces will be on the front-foot, and it will be open-season on any IDF drones or ISR recon aircraft near the border area. And the chances of an IDF intrusion being met with a punishing cruise-missile and long-range rocket barrage has now risen very sharply, due to Israel's own provocative action and incitement, of all local and regional enemies.
So the situation is fairly serious for all. The US deployed forces on the flank in Jordan just to deter the Syrians from lighting-up Tel Aviv industrial parks, with salvos of cruise missiles (and yes, they are more than capable of striking Tel Aviv with those). The Israeli air defense network may be able to swat a high-flying unguided and also non-maneuvering (i.e. totally predictable trajectory) ballistic rocket, but detecting, tracking and defeating a low-flying transonic agile maneuvering cruise missile with a digital autopilot, dispensing decoys and electronic interference, as it comes in, and which exposes itself for only a couple of seconds at most, only tens of feet above the ground, is another matter entirely.
So the Israelis will be busy stringing-up cables and nets, and making navigational barriers to such missiles in likely ingress and transit areas around Golan, to try and hinder heavy missile barrages as much as they can, because for certain Iron Dome and other dedicated systems for sure will not be sufficient to stop that sort of missile attack - any time soon.
Israel knows this, and so do the Syrians, and so does Hezbollah.
And let's not forget that Hezbollah are not doing this for nothing, they absolutely will be rewarded by Syria and also by Iran for intervening with a game-changing level of combat force commitment. So those states will provide and ensure delivery to Hezbollah of suitable weapons, to hold the IDF air and naval forces and bases at considerable direct enduring risk of effective shock attacks. And it will not matter what Israel, nor anyone else says about the flow of weapons, as it's going to happen anyway. Plus Damascus will of course ensure Hezbollah remains overwhelmingly the most capable and best-equipped defacto 'military' within Lebanon.
So summing up; Assad is going nowhere, the rebels are going to be wiped-out, and any that are permitted refuge in Lebanon will be eliminated, one way or another, while Hezbollah are going to be a lot more ready and able plus much better armed and supported, in any potential confrontation with Israel. Thus Israel is going to lose what little control, management, buffer and observer reporting access it had over the UN area, and IDF drones and observers will be fair-game if they go in there.
A situation that is certain to result in sparks.
Transparency is the solution for corruption.
Here is an odd chess piece in motion, the grail weapon talk on Drudge today... Do you think anyone would support Snowden (anyone that watches Dances with the Stars) if a jumbo jet were to go down? Is it enough just to float that as a threat and then nab someone?
I actually had to rethink that post avoiding city and arms names. Thank you, three letter acronym (TLA).
Governments always use the risk of terror to justify invasive surveillance and many other powers, some of which they regularly abuse.
It seems to me that - whilst their spying actions can prevent a terror attack and very occasionally do (not withstanding the many phony attacks cooked up by security agencies, eg Ricin in London - a completely phony nonsense cooked up by the police) - in the end it comes down to how much invasion into our private lives we are prepared to accept to save "us" from a rather abstract and rare risk. Lke so many other risks in life, it's a trade-off. Life is not without risk.
If we follow the political argument thru to its logical conclusion, we would never drive motor cars, get on a bus or do millions of other things we all do in life and which carry risk. The huge difference with terror is that the political elites have never once given any one of us the option on how much surveillance and general inconvenience we are willing to accept. "They" have decided on our behalf and "we" are expected to accept the consequences of their decisions and actions as they are explained.
There is a very good reason for this: government surveillance and many other security actions "they" take do not really exist to protect "us" from anything because that is virtually impossible. It all serves one primary motive: to protect "them" from "us". The spying, surveillance and databases "they" are creating of our behaviour are for the sole purpose of controlling "us", again, to protect "them" from "us".
The Soviet/Russian "Grail" man-carried SA anti-aircraft weapons looted from Libya seems possible as an intended consequence of overthrow of Libya.
Multi-purpose conspiracy?
Global Chaos leading to One Global Government.
Nixon tapped one office phone and Obumma tapped everyones phones every where.
Clinton/Bush/Obama and Reagan before that all have pushed the power of the executive. This isn't a red/blue issue.
I noticed one poll the other day (I think on ZH) where democrats now have less of a problem with warrentless wiretapping than they did when Bush was in office. I'm pretty confident if the republicans were in power those numbers would be reversed.
All administrations will embrace the powers they inherit and seek to expand them. Which is why oversight and strict limitations on that power are so important. Has Obama pushed it further than his predecessors? Yes? And will whoever suceeds Obama push it further? Yes, if he or she is allowed to.
I miss Cheney. He wouldn't fuck around with this. He would have nuked Hong Kong the minute he knew both Snowden and Greenwald were there. I'm sure his margin-of-collateral-damage is larger than the Droners.
Like in the millions.
no, he would have secured any physical assets first then gone about his military business
As this is a global issue, it needs to be addressed globally, crank up the NWO!
If I have to hear one more time "If you've got nothing to hide, well you've got nothing to worry about" ... I'm going to kick someone in the balls.
If you've got nothing to hide, well you've got nothing to worry about.
that felt good, boy did that feel good
catholic girls are better.
I believe that this guy is telling the truth about gov't surviellance and that the NSA is spying on it's citizens. I believe that Americans for the most part have no privacy and that the government is doing things that are illegal. Having said all this, I still have great reservations about this guy. This entire scenario just doesn't pass the smell test. Too much open discussion, too much media coverage; they're making this guy seem like a brave hero but something just seems off. I mean, if the NSA has *that* much access and control of information and TPTB didn't want the public to know how watched they really are, none of this information would have seen the light of day. And this guy would have been long gone.
But here he is all over the tv news, the internet, the forums, front and center. How can one believe that the media is controlled by the MIC, with it's lies about what's really going on the Middle East, Central Asia, the economy, etc. and yet buy this story hook, line and sinker. I am not sophisticated to know what's really going on, but I stopped believing mainstream media a LONG time ago.
Maybe someone at the Top of the Pyramid had a spiritual conversion.
There is something a little strange about Snowden, his actions and motives. But exposing unlawful, worldwide mass surveillance by the NSA is something only an employee could do. It was him, but it could have been another person. I don't think that in itself makes his story suspicious.
And MSM - much of it outside the US - is bound to jump on the story to sell copy. And after all, it gives them a rare chance to give America a good kicking.
you keep using this word , treason. i do not think it means what you say it means....or did obama just change that too...
Snowden, and his girlfriend, are pure-play narcissists. They love this attention. But, he's not safe anymore, anywhere on this planet.
If he wanted all this released why didn't he give it to wikileaks? This isn't news yet. So far its a distraction from actual news, a negotiation to benefit whores and media whores. This damage was done a long time ago. List the crimes, name the perps.
I am certain Obama would not have been able to pass the security background test that was originally given to Snoden.
"...I am not here to hide from justice; I am here to reveal criminality..."
damn fucking right!!!! go ed go!!!!!
It must be a real levelling experience ; being brainwashed into believing that you are the greatest country in the world but infact are little better than a jumped up sleazy corrupt morally challenged banana republic amerika.
The muzzies don't fair much better though when their armed wing is sponsored for the best part by amerika&israel.
That said the rest of us are a bunch of weak fucklings allowing banksta class to shit on our faces.