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Full White House Statement On Syria's "Red Line" Crossing
What comes after George Bush and George Bush Jr.? Must be George Bush the Third, only this time armed with a Nobel peace prize. Seriously, are they that stupid to think they can rerun the entire Iraq invasion scenario without changing anything? And is the US public really that dumb to let it slide? And how many Syrian citizens and US soldiers have to die in what is the most glaring instance in the past decade of a wag the dog-type distraction from on onslaught of domestic administration scandals?
Complete Text of White House Statement on Chemical Weapons in Syria
Following is the statement issued by the White House in the name of Benjamin J. Rhodes, deputy national security adviser.
At the President’s direction, the United States Government has been closely monitoring the potential use of chemical weapons within Syria. Following the assessment made by our intelligence community in April, the President directed the intelligence community to seek credible and corroborated information to build on that assessment and establish the facts with some degree of certainty. Today, we are providing an updated version of our assessment to Congress and to the public.
The Syrian government’s refusal to grant access to the United Nations to investigate any and all credible allegations of chemical weapons use has prevented a comprehensive investigation as called for by the international community. The Assad regime could prove that its request for an investigation was not just a diversionary tactic by granting the UN fact finding mission immediate and unfettered access to conduct on-site investigations to help reveal the truth about chemical weapons use in Syria.
While pushing for a UN investigation, the United States has also been working urgently with our partners and allies as well as individuals inside Syria, including the Syrian opposition, to procure, share, and evaluate information associated with reports of chemical weapons use so that we can establish the facts and determine what took place.
Following a deliberative review, our intelligence community assesses that the Assad regime has used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year. Our intelligence community has high confidence in that assessment given multiple, independent streams of information. The intelligence community estimates that 100 to 150 people have died from detected chemical weapons attacks in Syria to date; however, casualty data is likely incomplete. While the lethality of these attacks make up only a small portion of the catastrophic loss of life in Syria, which now stands at more than 90,000 deaths, the use of chemical weapons violates international norms and crosses clear red lines that have existed within the international community for decades.
We believe that the Assad regime maintains control of these weapons. We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons.
The body of information used to make this intelligence assessment includes reporting regarding Syrian officials planning and executing regime chemical weapons attacks; reporting that includes descriptions of the time, location, and means of attack; and descriptions of physiological symptoms that are consistent with exposure to a chemical weapons agent. Some open source reports from social media outlets from Syrian opposition groups and other media sources are consistent with the information we have obtained regarding chemical weapons use and exposure. The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin. Each positive result indicates that an individual was exposed to sarin, but it does not tell us how or where the individuals were exposed or who was responsible for the dissemination.
We are working with allies to present a credible, evidentiary case to share with the international community and the public. Since the creation of the UN fact finding mission, we have provided two briefings to Dr. Åke Sellström, the head of the mission. We will also be providing a letter to UN Secretary General Ban, calling the UN’s attention to our updated intelligence assessment and specific incidents of alleged chemical weapons use. We request that the UN mission include these incidents in its ongoing investigation and report, as appropriate, on its findings. We will present additional information and continue to update Dr. Sellström as new developments emerge.
The President has been clear that the use of chemical weapons – or the transfer of chemical weapons to terrorist groups – is a red line for the United States, as there has long been an established norm within the international community against the use of chemical weapons. Our intelligence community now has a high confidence assessment that chemical weapons have been used on a small scale by the Assad regime in Syria. The President has said that the use of chemical weapons would change his calculus, and it has. Our decision making has already been guided by the April intelligence assessment and by the regime’s escalation of horrific violence against its citizens. Following on the credible evidence that the regime has used chemical weapons against the Syrian people, the President has augmented the provision of non-lethal assistance to the civilian opposition, and also authorized the expansion of our assistance to the Supreme Military Council (SMC), and we will be consulting with Congress on these matters in the coming weeks. This effort is aimed at strengthening the effectiveness of the SMC, and helping to coordinate the provision of assistance by the United States and other partners and allies. Put simply, the Assad regime should know that its actions have led us to increase the scope and scale of assistance that we provide to the opposition, including direct support to the SMC. These efforts will increase going forward.
The United States and the international community have a number of other legal, financial, diplomatic, and military responses available. We are prepared for all contingencies, and we will make decisions on our own timeline. Any future action we take will be consistent with our national interest, and must advance our objectives, which include achieving a negotiated political settlement to establish an authority that can provide basic stability and administer state institutions; protecting the rights of all Syrians; securing unconventional and advanced conventional weapons; and countering terrorist activity.
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Will it stop?
That's great..."protecting the rights of all Syrians."
More like..."protecting the rights of foreign terrorists who are torturing, beheading, raping and poisoning the Syrian civilians in the name of who the fuck knows what."
Well, at least this administration is consistently fucked up, both here and abroad.
Did anyone notice how "military" response was listed as the last solution in the last paragraph. We know it is their first choice...
Hey look, the right-bashing Huffington Lapdog is drinking the hemlock and swallowing the King's ransom:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
The second headline below Assad's photo states "...No Good Options..."
That's right Ariana, take Obama's full girth right in your mouth!
Fuck them right up their hypocritical huffpo ass!
Huffpo....where blaming it on Bush never fails to work.
Huffpo....we're the intellectual thinkers...and we love war now!
Egypt, Libya,....and now Syria. Hey, that will put us into the lead in terms of war starting!
While Obama is draft sternly worded letter, Putin is rip off shirt and go for horse ride in Ural Mountain, kill bear in hand-to-hand combat, then eat raw with Russian press corps*.
(note to America President, "corps" is pronounce like "core", body of dead bear to be pronounce "corpse"
Winifred Ames: Why Syria?
Conrad 'Connie' Brean: Why not?
Winifred Ames: What have they done to us?
Conrad 'Connie' Brean: What have they done FOR us? What do you know about them?
Winifred Ames: Nothing.
Conrad 'Connie' Brean: See? They keep to themselves. Shifty. Untrustable.
You cant prove they haven't done anything to us
"protecting the rights of foreign terrorists who are torturing, beheading, raping and poisoning the Syrian civilians" and those actions were deemed NOT crossing the red line by obama
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Those are conventional, silly.
Well, at least this administration is consistently fucked up, both here and abroad.
Same can be said for every administration since at least Eisenhower.
"protecting the rights of all Syrians."
One, Tomahawk, One Hellfire, One Cruise Missle, One Drone, One invasion at a time, please don't choke on the freedom and rights American is giving you dear people of Syria. We are here to liberate you like we did for the Iraqi people.
It's time to shutdown the farce that has taken over our government.
No, it can't. It is collapsing. To us it is slow motion. From the perspective of history, it is the wink of an eye.
And still we do what we do, this our daily grind, enslaved to the sunk cost fallacy, too complacent to do anything different.
With or without us noticing, it will fall because it is unsustainable.
Kind of wish there was more consciousness than this to the whole thing, but hey, "C'est la vie"
Sometimes the best way to fight a war is to not show up.
-Sun Tzu
Don't let them fight WWIII with your sons and daughters.
Well done, Ms C.
Pulling this transparent BS makes DC look desperate & close to panic.
DC looks like a brick wall to us, but only one brick thick...& leaning.
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...built of cinderblocks and improperly mixed mortar by idiots who've never seen, let alone used, a plumb-bob.
Fuck em they are not having my boys.
If it lasts long enough, maybe Obama's daughters can be sent.
Four. WW IV. Three happened in a bunch of proxy wars, mostly in the third world, and of course in factories, engineering departments and tax paying families, to make the ICBMs, SLBMs, cruise missilles, BMEWS, bombers, warheads, and all the rest of the stuff that PREVENTED large scale war from occuring, very hotly, and so much quicker.
Where you been Missy?
Peace and Aloha friend...
I am around daily, I just don't comment as often anymore. Carrying on as I watch it slide, doing my best in my little microcosm, knowing it is doomed, trying to have fun anyway. I enjoy that you asked about me. Thanks.
Hope the sun, sand, water, and warm breezes are treating you gently. I am a little jealous.
Well done, Ms C.
So apparently, chemical weapons have been used on Syrian rebels, comprised mostly of Al-Qaeda militants-a group which plotted the death and destruction of thousands of Americans...
OH HELLLLLLLLLL NO, TIME FOR REVENGE!
Who the hell is scipting this shit? It's worse than an episode of What a Dummy
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I believe it's called Are You Smarter Than A Seventeen-year-old Gas Huffing Sixth Grader.
Well Saddam had 18 months delay in which to ship WMD of all sorts to their Baathist bretherin regime in neigboring Syria, during the long runup to the invasion that ended his regime. Oh, and Syria had a nuke weapons reactor of North Korean design deleted by the Israeli air force just a few years ago, Osirak style. So no need to worry about WMD or loose nukes and such in Syria. Ditto in Libya, which spontaneously gave up a nuke program nobody suspected they had, right after Gahdaffy (sic) saw what happed to Sodamned Insane and his psycho path sons.
Doesn't make any difference even if the people protest as they did in the UK, they still went ahead with an illegal war and weren't prosecuted. Same with banksters, no prosecution, who cares what the people think.
The miners protested in their droves, but nothing happened, mines still closed.
People protested against exhorbitant price of fuel (read tax on fuel), price of petrol and diesel not far off record highs now
"Doesn't make any difference... who cares what the people think" -- Racer
Well said since it's true. I get up every morning, look in the mirror, and tell myself "My opinion does not matter." It's best not to start the day with a lie.
I guess you have to be a real democrat to believe in democracy. And my, isn't the astroturf thick this year... Endless (and useless) .org petitons and emails serve up ice cream issue politics in whatever flavor the public (thinks it) wants -- as long as they vote vanilla or chocolate. (An occassional strawberry is OK, it gives the illusion of variety, but be careful and don't over do it... Or else the plebes might get ideas about Rocky Road.)
It's just my personal opinion, but I think we ought change that. All over the net we bitch... and do nothing.
For example, do you think we live under a tyrannical government? There are only three answers to this question. Yes. No. I don't know.
If you answer Yes, your opinion does not matter. Which means tens of millions of us, citizens all, do not matter to our government (or either political party, or the Fed). And not only has that been proved, again and again, they act even now to improverish us and destroy our free society.
And we can do nothing but watch and bitch? The only thing that seperates us from the muppets and sheeple is our ringside seat. Question is, why are we not in the ring?
Ah, the Panopticon.
Well fuck 'em. I've got a secret. Three in fact.
Do ya really wanna know? [whisper]
The Constitution of the United States of America is an agreement, a contract, between each and every citizen. We, the people, are parties to the Constitution; government is merely the subject of our contract.
The government of the United States of America derives its legitimacy by the election of candidates to Constitutional office; implicit in your vote for a candidate is your consent to be governed by the candidates elected to office.
You must show up to be counted (vote).
Now the cat's out the bag... Be careful you might make "the list' if you connect the dots. But then, frontrunning is always risky for the little guy.
It's quite simple, really. Since our opinion does not matter, what could possibly happen if we all showed up at the polls and voted "No Consent". Nothing much, I'm sure.
Regarding the "are they really that stupid" questions: yes. The answer to that question is always yes.
Hey, can't you see I am watching a basketball game. And tomorrow a hockey game. Then I get drunk all weekend.
Jeez, you guys with all of your complicated, math stuff, and economics.
My head just hurts thinking about. It's hard.
Oh, look...a new reality show where people are heroes. I could be a hero. But I am too fat to move.
So, I will just sit here and masturbate into a jar of mayo.
Obama is a puppet.
War, huh, yeah. What is it good for?
Covering up the fact the economy's about to implode, and we're all being spied on.
Ya know, each one can be a cover for the other...
Oh God, I am so disinformed! Oh the humanity. [Swoon, stage right, or is that left, or is that red, or is that blue]
How about a UN investigation into NSA violations of constitutional liberty?
How about we stop giving the UN money and kick them into the East River?
LoL!! The UN is an evil consolidation of the global elite and part of the NWO.
[ 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1] =10 Dilute so you can't prosecute... { overwhelm in hope that the important issues are lost in the chaos}>>>
It took them a while to manufacture the evidence and then plant it.
You're obviously an astute person.
Just paranoid
Too many eye of horus avatars on ZH.....
It's the eye of Sauron
looks like it could be Daffy Duck's eye.
A stinging rebuke
The Marxist con man doesn't need any evidence. With this adoring media all he has to do is tell them it's for the future grand children and they will lap it up like the dunces they all have proven to be.
I hope for the junior staffers' sake that they still have the 2003 Iraq powerpoint presentation and can use it as a template. Should save them a lot of time.
i was going to suggest that they would be hopelessly out of date, but the PRISM powerpoint slides were appalling, so yeah, they have them on a floppy somewhere.
It's just not as believable without Colin Powell as the narrator.
Rumor has it they asked James Earl Jones, but he declined, reasoning that he only plays bad guys in the movies.
That new National security chick is kind of hot. Maybe she can wear something slinky and they can turn on the AC. I bet even the Chinese guy would pay attention.
So now what? We watch Obummer and Putin play verbal ping pong until Snowden gets hit by a falling piano?
U.S. isn't the biggest bully in the schoolyard anymore, but still the fattest. They're still hell-bent on beating up little muslim kids, Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakis - you name it.
Two guys (a shirtless Russian and some Chinese guy) stopped by the schoolyard one day and warn the U.S. bully to stop beating up little kids, especially their little pal Syria. The Russian guy said Syria was a frend of theirs and they suggested the U.S. respect that fact.The Chinese guy slowly patted his chest pocket - a subtle universally-understood suggestion that he was armed.
The U.S., of course, didn't get it at all and stood there blinking, confused why the two guys were not automatically terrified like all the little muslim kids half their size had been. The U.S. barked out that they had every right to beat up anyone the wanted and Syria had defied Obama. A little Israel kid shrieked in an odd, nasal way from the sidelines "Yeah... those Syrians broke Obama's rule. Kill them. Kill them ALL"
The Russian and Chinese guy look at eachother for a second, mystified. The U.S. guy started combing his hair and snarled, "We're not afraid of you. Our pals will help us beat you up. The two guys asked "where are these allies of yours?" The U.S. said that they were around somewhere, but just don't worry - he could call all of them here in a second.
The Russian guy walks over, pulls out a well-worn Gyurza/Vector SR-1 pistol, and bitch-slaps the U.S. on the side of the head with it. Then he holds the pistol across the U.S.s face and states with slow certainty, "I will blow your effin head clean off if you ever mess with Syria. Leave him alone." The U.S. starts whimpering and the Israeli kid jumps up to his defense, but backs off when the Chinese guy glares at him. The U.S. is sniffeling and blubbering about why did the Russian have to do that - it was completely unfair and it really hurt.
The Russian and Chinese guy shake their heads at eachother and leve the playground. The U.S. starts sobbing that this ia all Syria's fault and they should have beat that little brat up a long time ago. Israel takes another huff of his asthma inhaler, adjusts his glasses and croaks, "Yeah... yeah, this is all that little Syrian bastards fault. You have to beat him extra good next time before you kill him. Yeah... you have to kill him GOOD. Let's go find him you pussy...
The orders were given at Bilderberg, this has nothing to do with domestic politics. Just taking orders.
DING! DING! DING! DING!
No coincidences
Who shives a git if Assad used chemical weapons? If paid assassins were invading my home or my country, I'd use anything and everything at my disposal to deal with them.
This smells just like Clinton bombing Serbia did at the height of Monicagate... like shit.
IDF used a mini nuke on that munitions plant. It's ok, though, they're on our side.
*didn't the U.N. state that it was the rebels who were employing chemical weapons?
nothing has changed; they knew this months ago; apparently there is a "red line" with the economy imploding
They can stop the clown show now. This stuff isn't funny anymore.
Stuck on Stupid and You can't fix Stupid
Do I want to read this piece of s**t statement ? Hell, no.
They're not stupid or dumb at all. They're accomplishing exactly what they are aiming to. Occupying or installing Islamic fundamentalist stooge governments, setting the stage for their end game.
From the Nile to the Euphrates, baby!
From the Nile to the Euphrates, baby!
Greater Israel ... now we just need enough settlers!
Goebbels lives!
Polish forces attacked Germany on September 1, 1939 and the Wehrmacht will now respond.
"And is the US public really that dumb to let it slide?"
Oh yeah. I live amongst the sheeples and they have no problem bombing folk that control hydrocarbons (or potential pipelines).
You know I'm not even pissed about this. I expect this behavior from these scumbags. My anger is directed at the mother fucking liberal scum hypocrites who marched and chanted - not in my name or no blood for oil when we invaded Iraq. Where are you now you cock sucking hypocrites? If I hear one of you son- of-a- bitches complain again I'm going to punch you right in the mother fucking mouth!
YES WE CAN... [spy on you and go to war in your name]
+1
The same pieces of shit in Princeton who did the no-blood-for-oil chants and drove away from the rally in Volvo SUV's had "Save Darfur" signs on their lawns.
It's OK, their boy is doing it now, and he has a peace prize to prove he's better than everyone else.
It's all a fucking game. I am sick of it. Fuck them all.
Code Pink will be marching on Obama's home any day now
not
Where the fuck is that bitch Cindy Sheehan ???
Oh she too has the full girth of Obama in her mouth!!!!
Thank you for that! It needed to be said.
By Rachel Weiner, Published: May 24, 2013
How did Code Pink founder Medea Benjamin, a well-known anti-war protester, get into President Obama’s speech Thursday at the National Defense University?
By listing herself as press. In a statement, the university explained that Benjamin “was given access via the list of media attendees expected.”
After repeatedly interrupting Obama’s speech on counterterrorism policy, Benjamin was escorted out of the room and questioned by police.
Benjamin told the Huffington Post Thursday that she got an invitation to the event from someone whose name she could not disclose and was surprised herself that she was able to get in so easily.
The speech was not open to the general public. “Attendance for non-media was limited to invited guests from the National Defense University faculty, staff, and student body,
along with those invited by the White House,” the university said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/24/how-mede...
If by "mother fucking liberal scum hypocrites who marched and chanted - not in my name or no blood for oil when we invaded Iraq." you mean conservative peace mongers then rest assured we are here speaking out against the killing of innocents and wars of aggression.
by far your worst post ever dr eyeball...not one liberal who is 'awake' stands in support of Obama or any other part of our co-opted leadership.
How did the 'liberal' opposition fare in Nazi Germany?
What is conservative about war?
Lastly your internet tough guy offer is beneath the dignity ZH and in my opinion the Tylers should put your one eye and single brain lobe in the trash bin. I did not junk or report you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALhwQKTRAgA
Meanwhile lost in the all the noise and probably on purpose.
http://rt.com/news/sarin-gas-turkey-al-nusra-021/
Turkish security forces found a 2kg cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Nusra Front who were previously detained, Turkish media reports. The gas was reportedly going to be used in a bomb.
The story has been officially denied.....sooo that's that.
http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05_30/Turkey-dismisses-reports-that-ter...
I'm positive Turkey would tell the truth, the whole truth an nothing but the truth since they are totally neutral and have no skin in the game at all.
They're currently having a bit of an internal issue, so I can assure you there's no-one to comment. Also, to stifle the accusations that this is purely RT (Moscow) propaganda, it was in most major Turkish papers, LiveLeak and even made Channel 4 in the UK on prime time (this is reputable MSM, far more aggressive / truthy than any US media, and equal to the BBC in terms of media expertise, so they cannot run it live without some fairly robust fact checking, it's against their media charter).
So, not really buying the redaction entirely. Whoever they found, and whatever they found, well, I guess we'll never know now. <SQUIRRELS!>
[See my very snarky comment earlier in the Greek TV thread about Turkey and my comment "Anyone heard from Syria recently?" Rhetorical questions are not leaks for the NSA watchers. Et tu Brute?]
"The intelligence community estimates that 100 to 150 people have died from detected chemical weapons attacks in Syria to date;"
As reliable as BLS jobs created stats. Out of 93000 casualties, hardly qualifies as a WMD.
"We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons."
Lie. Where is an analysis that shows the origin of the sarin gas. Hint: Likely supplied by CIA or John McCain on his illegal meeting with them.
"there has long been an established norm within the international community against the use of chemical weapons"
Also applies to depleted uranium munitions, drones (which by the way have killed more innocents than this alleged WMD attack), and hollow point ammunition. All ignored by the criminal US Government.
I would also need to see the histories of the "victims" used as evidence to start a diversionary war, and what ties they have to the CIA or AQ
These psychopaths are going to destroy us all.
SAA don't have to use these weapons, the "rebels" are getting their asses handed to them convetionally. This is why this story is being put out now...If Syria had used any WMD's they have, the number of dead would be staggering...these are not firecrackers with cyanid on them.
Air support for terrorists, fuck that.
What next, "Yellow Cake Uranium"?
"Senate committee approves USD 625bln defense authorization" - Ransquawk
Completely unrelated headline, I'm sure. Correlation does not imply causation, right?....
"We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons."
Translation: We have evidence the rebels used chemical weapons but we're ignoring it for national security reasons, because we really, really need to go to war to distract from these annoying scandals. If you don't support the US war effort then you're anti-American and we're tired of being called anti-American, someone else needs a turn. And another thing, a Nobel Peace Prize is like a permanent "Go to War" card. So y'all just shut up and do what you're told.
....b,b,b...but it's Obama! That Bush guy was evil...totally different situation now <sarcasm>
Assad is a tyrant. He kills opposition members and those who voice opinions contrary to his government, just as Saddam Hussein did.
Either a unlabeled sarc or you probably have a duel citizenship to a small ME country right?
Ah, but he's not a useful tyrant. He doesn't do what "we" want him to do.
Anyway, what's wrong with tyrants? We got a few of 'em right here, locally - no need to waste all that jet fuel to go get one a few thousand miles away.
What Assad really needed to do was to use the Syrian IRS to harass opposition members and those who voice opinions contrary to his government, just as Barack Hussein does. For good measure he should read all the emails of all the rebels.
Fuck "protecting the rights of all Syrians". I mean seriously, not one drop of American blood nor one dollar from the treasury need be spent intervening in every far away conflict that comes down the pike.
The U.S. is still in denial about it's own MASSIVE CHEMICAL WARFARE which took place just yesterday in historical terms... http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/70045826?strkid=705979972_0_0&trkid=222336&movieid=70045826
I say any use of tear gas is use of crimical weapons
Actually it is. Third from bottom: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_warfare#Classes
Obama is about to define his legacy.
He's about to try to misuse US forces again, this time to save his criminal ass from impeachment and prosecution, in the process murdering thousands of people with whom we have no issues. From the Clinton playbook.
His criminal hind quarters is in a sling now because he dithered too long on invading Syria and the way the war was turning in Assad's favor meant pressured needed to be applied. I haven't been comfortable with the way this avalanche has come at O's regime especially the way the MSM has turned against him. I couldn't think of a good reason why he would be set up until now, it's to force him to act on Syria. Don't get me wrong, he deserves every thing he's getting but he's deserved it for years so why is it all coming now? If I'm right the scandals will all fade away once the war starts, not because his opponents give up but because no one will report it.
"Snowdon who?" Septenber, 2013
That seems to be exactly what is happening. They let out the stuff that doesn't matter quite as much first and save the more tantalizing stuff like his Chitcagay bath house, phony birth certificate, etc, for later if he still won't cave.
They want to go in. He can't fight it any longer. Not that he's a good guy in any way, but Rob-me would have had us knee deep in some Syrian and Iranian blood by now. He called their bluff, and they came at him with the first volley. Now he's starting to cave.
Watch to see how many folks in the Pentagon stand against this. Watch to see who exactly, not from CONgress, but from the actual Pentagon, pushes to go ahead. I am reading that there's some significant resistance there. Not that anyone I'm reading really knows a thing, but it is what I'm reading.
Time to pray, speak out, etc.
Well at least Last time Bush Sr or Rummy. had the receipts to the sale of the chemicals....
Where is this on the Illumanti's Pert Chart?
Wait.
they don't know
They demanded that the UN be let in. Denied
Now they rely on foreign intelligence to feed them intel.
And we're going to war on that? WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE BAD INTELLIGENCE?!!!!!! A foreign intelligence service???!!! What are we supposed to do if they're wrong?
BULL FUCKING SHIT, OBAMA. You go forward with this and you're a war criminal.
Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for accomplishment of a crime against peace.
But we're the cops of the world (hat tip to Phil Ochs), so it's okay. Cops are allowed to break the law to protect the innocent, aren't they?
Iraq all over again. They even got a Swede as the head of the UN nonsense commitee.... Then it was Blix, now it´s that Sellström guy.
Dateline Aleppo, Aug 3, 2014:
The US Ambassador to Syria was executed today by a mob that was allegedly angry over a cartoon that was published on the internet.
US Ambassador to the UN Susan Power said today that Syrian Ambassador James Puffenpipe was killed when an approximately 200 people armed with M-16 assault rifles stormed the Consulate in Homs. The M-16s had been provided to the rebels during the long Syrian civil war.
Senator John McCain said, "This is extremely unfortunate but would not change my leadership for the US to intervene in the Syrian civil war. My sympathies, like all Americans go to the wife of Ambassador Puffenpipe."
As in Libya, President Obama blocked nearby US forces from intervening to prevent the death of the ambassador and 6 embassy staff, saying, "It would be unconscionable for the US to intervene in a purely internal matter. The local police have responsibility for protecting the embassy and staff." Homs residents that witnessed the attack report seeing several people in police uniforms among the attackers.
Reaction by Congress and the American people was muted by the suspicion that any communication would be monitored by PRISM/Echelon2. After the drone killing of suspected militia terrorists in Indiana earlier this summer, people remain afraid to express their opinion. The militia members were at the Roadside Cafe when attacked, killing all 6 and 14 other people in the cafe including 7-year old twins. President Obama said at the time, "We have phone records, email and radio listening habits of these dangerous radicals. They had expressed contempt for my leadership and I, in consulation with Attorney General Holder determined that it would be unsafe to attempt apprehension."
At this time, Ambassador Puffenpipe's body has not been recoverd.
One has to wonder if John McCain is really that stupid or if the NSA has something on him too.
In other news the head of the FBI still has his head up his ass...so far up he does not know ...well almost anything:
http://cnsnews.com/blog/joe-schoffstall/fbi-director-testifies-he-doesnt...
McCain is deranged. He and former president Clinton are trying to talk Obama into this mess in Syria. The question I have is how much Arab money is going into their bank accounts? When was the last time Congress voted on going to war?
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/06/13/Clinton-to-Obama-Override-Public-Opposition-to-Syria-Intervention
This alone is crazy and then on top of it all we are arming Al-Qaeda rebels in Syria. Al-Qaeda? I think we have impeachable offenses occurring all over DC. This is just plain nuts. Who are we fighting in Afghanistan jerks?
I'm getting the feeling there is some form of blackmail going on with respect to what happened in Benghazi. All the characters are involved and nothing else makes sense.
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December 1941.
Actually it was in 1942. We voted to go to war with Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary In June 1942.
I don't know why I know that......
One has to wonder: if Bill Clinton and John McLame are urging Obama into this mess, what are their ulterior motives? Neither was treated very well by the One.
His father was an admiral. His grandfather was an adminal. He never made admiral, he got captured by the enemy. US Senate isn't comparable to being an admiral in his eyes. President outranks admirals, but he failed at that. He really needs a war to hang his legacy on and the older he gets the more desperate he is. In my opinion.
I think someone needs to give Johnny a quick Cliff Notes review on what happens during a war!
I think someone needs to give Johnny a quick Cliff Notes review on what happens during a war!
They don't even care how dumb the citizenry is any more. It's "tough-shit-we'll-just-do-it" time. Credibility is for pussies.
They haven't cared for a long time. And with the MSM news cycle lasting around 24 minutes, they don't need to. I pay attention but with everything that has happened over the past few months I would need a database to keep track.
I seem to recall a ZH comment (for some reason I think it is you) a few days ago that asked what ever happened to Jeff Gannon. Excellent question and illustrates the MSM black hole where inconvenient stories go to die.
And more recently ...
What is happening with the investigation into the shooting of an unarmed man (Ibragim Todashev) who happened to know the boston bombing suspects?
Has the younger brother been charged yet and if not why?
What is congress doing with the investigation into IRS targeting? Why is it no longer in the "news". Same question with DOJ targeting of journalists?
And now I go to any news site from Drudge to CNN to HuffPo and the screaming headline is some version of "Syria crosses a line" - this is what are supposed to pay attention to in the next 24 minutes.
Gannon's (Gosch's) mom found him (apparently), and apparently knows it's Gannon.
That's my take on what she's published online, semi-crytpic stuff. If Gannon were to speak out, he would likely be killed.
So despite the obvious sensational nature of that very important story (most impt one since 911 imo), some truly investigative journalists wrote what they wrote and then moved on. The mainstream media, of course, dropped the whole thing around the time HST "committed suicide."
Web search Rusty Nelson, Hunter S. Thompson, and Paul Bonacci. Then for fun thrown Gosch's name in there or a few others.
The satanists are in charge. The mainstream media does what it's told.
Yeah, the US public is really that dumb.
(And not only the US public but the public in general are very gullible)
The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. This situation requires careful consideration and the President should not bind our nation with a requirement because of his loose "redline" tongue.
And just think about all the collateral damage that is going to force them to not only rid us of sequestration, but make up for it in additional spending adjusted for the inflation we wish would have seen during the recovery. The Army will need to pay for the inevitable boots on the ground, a brand new glorious embassy, and DHS will get billions more to spend on all sorts of useless trinkets to protect us against the unnamed (for national security purposes) threats generated from all of our well intentioned collateral damage.
Welcome, my son, welcome to the machine.
This could be their real motive. Obama is all about domestic politics, all the time.
Here's a suggestion. How about declaring war on all those industries that have attacked Americans with chemical weapons? I can think of a few - BP, RJ Reynolds, Monsanto, and Exxon, to name just a few. How about a red line here in the US? Oh, wait - that's just private enterprise. Those are the good guys. They create jobs and pay taxes. So let's focus on tyrants who use chemical weapons and other kinds of excessive force against their own people. Oops - what about Waco. Ruby Ridge. 9/11. Ok, Ok - just forget I mentioned it. Its all so confusing. Just bomb, bomb, bomb Iran. That should take care of it. Shock and awe baby.
Actually the US citizens opinion doesn't matter. They do what they want. It's just convenient for them to get a good % of the population to go along with it.
"Hi, I'm a fucking deuchbag cocksucker dumbass. Are you a fucking deuchbag cocksucker dumbass too? Cool. We can be friends now."
John McCain should be playing bingo and sipping beers in some obscure VFW hall somewhere. Who would listen to such a shithead? Apparently, quite a few people....
"And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails."
-Machiavelli
Try telling some poor brainwashed American twit that the US is backing Al Qaida in Syria. Their face goes blank, their eyes get glassy and they mumble something about Bush or Cheney. If you press the issue, you stand a chance of being physically attacked. Being the well-adjusted and risk-averse fellow that I am, I've only heard tell of such things and would never expose myself to physical danger by imposing on someone's cognitive stasis using Reason. In these days, public displays of Reason are just a little less dangerous than driving on some vikes and a few shots.
eriously, are they that stupid to think they can rerun the entire Iraq invasion scenario without changing anything?
And is the US public really that dumb to let it slide?
yes and double yes.... unfortunately
Could be a flyer to check Russia's resolve which for peace sakes,,, hopefully exists.
It's obvious the rebel terrorists will be kicked out of Syria without intervention which was the reason for the bogus War Games in Jordan.
This is a gamble but I'm betting if Russia says nyet... the western bully's will back down especially if China joins with them.
Appeasement doesn't work. Proven in WWII.
Idk a bomb is a bomb. It could get quite upsetting to know what exactly 'we' did over there..
Oh man. NSA come grab me. Im really upset. 1984 isnt fiction. Doublespeak et al. Tthis is very very upsetting. And all I can do is protest here. Really, I may try to bring this up to my local charity but im sure they will go see? World coming to end.. ahh ok buddy.
If we try the no-fly-zone, and syria shoots our planes down, and we bomb them, and arm the rebels, what's to keep Russia and iran from getting in on the game?
Maybe this is all 0bama's way of giving the golan heights back to syria.
Who used chemical weapons?
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2013/0506/UN-investigator-suggests-it-was-Syria-s-rebels-who-used-chemical-weapons
We should stay out of it regardless of who is using chemical weapons. Just a little covert help to whomever is losing, and stand back and munch the popcorn. What is the matter with these Obama idiots?
They will get away with it because rule of force is stronger than rule of law. Until they encounter a rule of force stronger than theirs.
I believe the chemical weapons claim is mere pretext. If it were the true reason, the U.S. would have acted weeks ago. More likely the United States realized by failing to act they were allowing Iran & Hezbolah free reign to come to the aide of Syria. An emboldened and uncontained Syria & Hezbolah would be not be a welcome development for Sunni majority middle eastern countries many of which are our friends. And contrary to popular media reporting the number one polarizing issue in the middle east is not Israel vs the Palestinians but the fight between Sunnis & Shia for supremancy in the Middle East. A strong expansionary Iran is not in the U.S. interest. Outside of the United Kingdom, you can be sure Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have been voicing their strong support for a larger U.S. role. That these operations will be based in Jordan suggests Jordan is supportive as well.
Right about the pretext, wrong about "US interest".
"The road to Tehran runs through Damascus"--some Israeli schmuck.
That says it all. The US is owned by the Israeli lobby. All our political discussions occur in terms they provide.
Does the tail wag the dog? Well, let's look which way the tribute flows. To Israel.
The "civil war" in Syria is wholly created by the axis of evil--US/NATO/Israel, which supports, arms, and supplies the so-called "rebels" (most of whom are not native Syrians.
Wake up, sheeple!
I'm pretty sure international laws allow a country to use chemical weapons domestically.