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"High-School Dropout Snowden Is Lying" Chairman Of House Intelligence Committee Claims

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That the US "big brother" surveillance state would not keel over and die in the aftermath of the Snowden revelations is hardly surprising. But the means by which the government, and in this case the House Intelligence Committee, have set about defending, legitimizing and promoting full state intrusion into personal privacy is a comic sight to behold.

Enter today's hearing between the NSA Director Keith Alexander, and House Intel Committee's Mike Rogers (R-Mich) and Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md), who nearly a week after the initial Edward Snowden charges have resorted to the oldest trick in the book: calling him a liar.

From the Hill:

The NSA leaker is lying about both his access to information and the scope of the secret surveillance programs he uncovered, the heads of the House Intel Committee charged Thursday.

 

Emerging from a hearing with NSA Director Keith Alexander, Reps. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.), the senior Democrat on the panel, said Snowden simply wasn't in the position to access the content of the communications gathered under National Security Agency programs, as he's claimed.

 

"He was lying," Rogers said. "He clearly has over-inflated his position, he has over-inflated his access and he's even over-inflated what the actually technology of the programs would allow one to do. It's impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do."

 

"He's done tremendous damage to the country where he was born and raised and educated," Ruppersberger said.

 

Asked how much additional information – including other FISA verdicts – Snowden has in his possession, Rogers said, "No one really knows the answer to that today. I think we will know the answer to that shortly."

Someone will, but not the general public: because it is easy to accuse Snowden of lying when the government can claim the national security exemption when anyone demands to confirm if Snowden is actually telling the truth. In other words, it is our (classified) word over his.

Just to stir it up a little more, and invoke imagery of Daniel Craig in a tux driving an Aston Martin, the hint that Snowden was a double agent is quietly being tested:

Rogers said investigators are also trying to determine whether Snowden has any relationship with foreign governments – something national security officials don't know yet, he said.

If that fails to gain traction, there is always the accusation that he should have just follow proper whistleblowing protocol. No really.

 "Some people are saying that he's a hero. He's broken the law," Ruppersberger said. "We have laws in the United States for whistleblowers, for people that think there's an injustice being done. All he had to do was raise his hand. … Under the whistleblower law, he is protected. Yet he chose to go to China."

And when all else fails, go for good old character assassination, and the media's favorite fall back plan: shooting the messenger.

 "I hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are going to be determined by a high-school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles," Rogers said.

Well, there is a high-school dropout... and then there is a successful community organizer who supposedly was familiar with the constitution, until proven otherwise. Repeatedly.

 

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Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:08 | 3654973 rtalcott
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Bullshit...these fuckers have no credibility and even if they did they are completely clueless...Snowden makes more sense than any of these useless bags of protoplasm

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:10 | 3654995 Pladizow
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I dont believe a word any banker, politician, lawyer, congressman, MSM reporter or US Gov employee says!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:13 | 3655013 Killtruck
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The guy basically signed his own death warrant, left his homeland and most importantly gave up on banging a pole-dancing ballerina superhero...to lie?

What an attention-whore. How foolish of him.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:15 | 3655036 fightthepower
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Who would risk the death penalty or life in prison in order to inflate their resume?  Who are you going to believe, a whistle blower or a congressman?

 

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:23 | 3655100 cifo
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"All he had to do was raise his hand. … Under the whistleblower law, he is protected"

Isn't what the other ex-NSA (or CIA) guy, now broken and working in the Apple store, did?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:24 | 3655103 James_Cole
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Riddle me this congressman... If Snowden is such a fuck-up why'd you give him top secret security clearance? 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:27 | 3655122 tenpanhandle
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Why didn't they say he was lying right at the beginning?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:31 | 3655144 dwdollar
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The slimeballs on both the Senate and House Intel Committees are trying to cover their asses right now. I can't get a straight answer out of Tom Coburn's office. And Coburn himself is always "gone" in a secret meeting.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:32 | 3655154 nope-1004
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So.....   The NSA hires flunkies and dropouts?

 

LMFAO

 

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:33 | 3655164 James_Cole
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So.....   The NSA hires flunkies and dropouts? 

LMFAO

It's an interesting strategy they're pursuing with this one...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:37 | 3655190 Lets_Eat_Ben
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"Why is everybody so fucking stupid?" - Kim Jong Il

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:54 | 3655204 ZerOhead
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And if he didn't possess access to any top secret information why are you worrying at all?

Instead you are sporting bags under your eyes, keeping the lights on all night at NSA Headquarters and making the local pizza joints put out want adds for help on the midnight shifts...

Sleep well ...

Oh... and BTW... you should really considerer ceasing the  hiring idealistic Americans for your operations...

Try finding security contractors and analysts who "hate us for our freedoms..."

Works better when their hearts are into it... just like yours...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:06 | 3655364 malikai
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I have to say, I know quite a few very smart flunkies and dropouts. So the argument premise is false.

Many flunked not the studies, but the indoctrination.

I suspect this guy is one of them.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:30 | 3655507 James_Cole
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It's been a tough couple weeks. First unsuspecting terrorists were alerted to the fact that they were under surveillance by the NSA, then we find out the USA's most cherished secrets are in the hands of what congress has described as an uneducated high school flunkey.

What next, the defence contractor at the heart of all this is owned in large part by a saudi prince??

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:46 | 3655574 toys for tits
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First off, these guys violated their security clearances by talking about the capabilities of the NSA.

Secondly, I can't wait for these douchebags to eat their fucking words when Snowden publishes either a phone call or an email of one of these legislators or a judge or even the president.

You know that's coming now that they are on the record.

 

"'He was lying," Rogers said. "He clearly has over-inflated his position, he has over-inflated his access and he's even over-inflated what the actually technology of the programs would allow one to do. It's impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do."'

 


Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:49 | 3655590 Stackers
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You know how you can tell when a politician is lying ?

 

Their lips are moving.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:18 | 3655739 Oldballplayer
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Personally I think the guy (Snowden) is a douche.  But the scenario you just laid out would be so sweet, I would cut him some slack.  If he can make the Powers That Be eat their words, that is a big plus to me.

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:06 | 3655982 Paveway IV
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Snowden already said he took care to make this about things (your fourth admendment rights, douche), not individuals

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 21:06 | 3656444 philipat
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Another part of the damage control propoganda is to suggest that he "Defected to China". Hong Kong is now part of China BUT it is a special administrative region (SAR) for 50 years from the hand back by The British in 1997. It enjoys freedom of speech and association, a great deal of independence and has an excellent legal system inherited from the British. The South China Morning Post (SCMP), which US media is describing as "A Chinese Government mouthpiece" is anything but. It was, again, established under the British and it is a first class newspaper, probably the best in Asia.

But, of course, the average American wouldn't know any of this, so it's fair game. Therein, of course, lies part of the problem.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:31 | 3655508 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Fireman: This boy's a hero!

Cop: This boy's under arrest.

 

Peewee's Big Adventure, 1985

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:58 | 3655620 onthesquare
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Getting fed up with the school system does not mean you are stupid it means you do not like the training program.  Look what all the trained bankers and ecomomits and trained investment brokers turned out doing.  All education (training) is done to make up part of the system.  Snowdon saw what they had trained him to do and asked himself WTF?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:22 | 3655366 nope-1004
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Smear campaign is in high gear.

 

BREAKING NEWS:

The coveted, secret, US "intelligence" community.......  hires high school dropouts!!!!

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

NSA Offers Online courses:

The best intelligence gathering your money can buy!  Enroll today.

Course prerequisite:  High School dropout.


 "I hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are going to be determined by a high-school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles," Rogers said.

Rogers, you dumb FUCK.  Think for a second.

Why was he hired then?

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:23 | 3655467 upWising
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Our Freely Elected Representatives are not lying.  They are merely engaged in providing many minutes of raw fodder for Comedy Central's Daily Show and Colbert Report.

They aren't serious.....it's SARCASM boys and girls!  Can't we take a joke here on ZH?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:32 | 3655514 phoolish
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... AND PAYS $200k per year.

 

Apply Today.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:01 | 3655636 californiagirl
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And the high school drop-out outwits all those PhDs and other college grads!  What does that say about the caliber of our advanced education systems?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:21 | 3656342 ToNYC
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The caliber of higher education is small enough to care about an Indy driver who didn't bother to get a driver's licence and is therefore equal in ability to someone who failed the test.

These guys have no dificulties log-rolling from one twisted narrative to another as long as the analogy pollutes the debate with cognitive dissonance. The river they navigate is filled with large chunks of untreated waste that helps them from cap-sizing.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:18 | 3656535 Henry Hub
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We should remember that George W. Bush (the worlds biggest moron) graduated from Yale and got an MBA at Harvard. This tell all you need to know about the worth of our institutions of higher learning.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:11 | 3656007 Pairadimes
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Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:39 | 3655207 whstlblwr
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There are over 1 million with top security clearance. That's one million who understand the corruption going on. Time for Snowden to have some support. Come on you cowards, get out of the shadows and fight for the country.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:46 | 3655242 jbvtme
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infighting between the nsa and cia.  the docs came from the cia.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:24 | 3656349 ToNYC
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Turf-battles and the people lose.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:09 | 3655979 IMACOINNUT
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the over 1 million are most likely undergoing intensive grilling and lie detector test as we speak. there is no stress free environment in which they work, it feels like prison only its not what you do, it's what you say.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:45 | 3655240 TeamDepends
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Being a high school dropout might be a sign of hyper- intelligence.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:04 | 3655349 ParkAveFlasher
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keyboard-spitter

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:04 | 3656492 Ignatius
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'is'

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:02 | 3655334 smlbizman
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i live in maryland and also in good ole dutch's district...he pushed hard to allow emin. dom. and close busi. and resid props . so he could give prop. over to other more equal folks..... for the greater good.....i will be the expert on dutch.....fuck you, you fat piece of shit toupee wearing fucking cunt...do i need links or can you look it up...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:19 | 3655442 upWising
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Gentle Commenter:  Lest you think otherwise, those of us gracing the pages of Zero Hedge are adults.  Please rest assured that candy-coating  or  diluting your comments on your Freely Elected Democratic Representative in the House of Representatives ("The Peoples' House") is unnecessary.  Please, be HONEST and FORTHRIGHT with your opinions.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:49 | 3655591 toys for tits
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No matter what some people will always just beat around the bush. They're just too polite.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:53 | 3656221 mobtown
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I see that fat fuck buying fried chicken at my local convience store every night. I'm always tempted to start yelling at him, especially today after hearing him spout his crap.

also: during his last campaign, he blocked the entrance to my business for half an hour during one of our busiest times.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:37 | 3655199 Richard Chesler
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Trust me. I'm from the gubmint...

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:52 | 3655283 jekyll island
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Fuck you Bernanke!   Sorry, wrong thread...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:04 | 3655346 nope-1004
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That comment is thread independent.  lol.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:38 | 3655200 CH1
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Fuck you, Mike Rogers, professional liar!

And the same to you, Ruppensberger!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:42 | 3655225 Joe Davola
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Cut Dutch a break, you're gonna get bullied a bit with that moniker.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:24 | 3655470 zuuma
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Congressman Rubberspermer will get to the bottom of it!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:51 | 3655281 S5936
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@ M. Rodgers, IF our national security interests CAN be determined by a HS dropout they flat out suck. Imbecile.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:39 | 3655208 Joe Davola
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Hey, NSA's gotta do something about the childs left behind by the Department of Education (screwing up education in the US since Jimmah Carter paid back the NEA).

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:20 | 3655455 upWising
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SOme children are better left behind.  

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:51 | 3655597 toys for tits
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I just can't stand the thought of leaving her behind alone.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:36 | 3656595 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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The NSA, just like corporate Amerika, likes cheap labor.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:36 | 3656596 GoldRulesPaperDrools
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The NSA, just like corporate Amerika, likes cheap labor.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:43 | 3656627 dbTX
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House Intelligence Commettee is an oxymorom

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:39 | 3655196 ZerOhead
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.

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:40 | 3655209 NoTTD
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Comment Of The Day.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:19 | 3655443 TeMpTeK
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Ok  he lied which means he didnt leak any Sensitive documents... It was all just an eloborate scheme to quit a lame well paid job and breakup with a hot girlfriend with hammer toes from years of pole ,, ahhem.... ballet dancing...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:30 | 3655807 mt paul
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Chairman Of House Intelligence Committee 

is a liar..

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:48 | 3656442 20834A
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But, James, they're playing it both ways. When one of the congressmen asked the general how they could have let a contractor hire a high-school drop out, general said he was a highly talented system administrator. It's the old shotgun approach. Or as my dad used to say, "throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks."

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 22:07 | 3656891 kchrisc
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Ouch! And to the camps with you!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:35 | 3655181 TarAndFeather
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His name is Thomas Drake. 

The guy isn't holding back when prompted to come on cable news, hope he goes full steam ahead.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:51 | 3655589 Telemakhos
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That's Thomas Drake.  These guys have names and stories.  They're worth researching, although you won't find much due to the nature of the stories.  Here are a few of them:

  • Thomas Drake.  Worked for the Air Force from 1979, possibly the CIA for a bit, and the NSA from 1989 to 2006 or 2007, when he became a whistleblower about waste and abuse at the NSA, including the Trailblazer project. Forced to leave intelligence when his security clearance was revoked. Worked at Strayer University until his indictment in 2010, then at an Apple store. Later founded a consulting firm.
  • Mark Klein.  Worked for AT&T from 1981 to 2004. In 2006, after retirement, revealed the NSA wiretapping at AT&T (San Francisco room 641A), suggested that this was happening in other cities as well.  
  • William Binney.  Cryptanalyst.  Worked for the army from 1965 to 1970, when he began with the NSA. Resigned 2001, after his analysis software project (ThinThread) was shelved in favor of a new SAIC project (Trailblazer) that ended up wasting time and money. Founded his own private contractor selling analysis software to the intelligence community.
  • Kirke Wiebe. Worked at NSA for 30 years.  Same situation as Binney, apparently.
  • Edward Loomis.  Software engineer.  See Binney and Wiebe.  Apparentlyt he one who invented ThinThread.
  • Diane Roark.  House Intelligence committee staffer, handled NSA oversight from 1997 to 2002. Suspected of leaking info on NSA collection activities in 2005. Subject to warrantless "sneak and peak" searches under FISA and PATRIOT acts; later raided. Persecuted until 2011 when the Justice Depratment finally decided she wasn't the leaker after all (Thomas Drake was).
  • Adrienne Kinne.  Army linguist at Ft. Gordon (NSA Georgia).  Exposed collection of intelligence on American aid organizations like Doctors Without Borders and journalists.  Complained, went before Senate Intelligence Committee.
  • David Faulk.  Intercept operator at NSA Georgia (Ft. Gordon).  Confirmed Kinne's accounts of transcribing (under orders from a superior officer) American conversations in English for the NSA. Complained, went before Senate Intelligence Committee.  
  • John Kiriakou.  CIA from the late 80's or early 90's until 2004. Revealed waterboarding in 2007. Worked as a consultant until he pled guilty to revealing information that tied a covert agent to a specific operation (although the agent's name was never revealed). Currently imprisoned.
Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:55 | 3655610 toys for tits
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Thanks for the detail.  

So is this what happens when you properly whistleblow? Or is there a seperate list of those people being shat upon?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:16 | 3655731 Telemakhos
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It's a mixed bag.  Kiriakou seems to have done it "wrong," while Kinne and Faulk went to the Senate and did it "right."  Drake (along with Binney et al.) did it very "right" and by-the-book, filing complaints with Inspectors General; he was later persecuted and prosecuted on trumped-up felony charges that were all dropped, and he ended up agreeing to a misdemeanor plea bargain.  The outcome of whistleblowing whether "right" or "wrong" is not predictable, which means that any laws regarding whistleblower protection have failed.  Don't count on the law to protect you as a whistleblower.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:52 | 3656457 chindit13
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Tyler Drumheller...add him to the list.  Tried to save the US from engaging in a multi-trillion war of choice.  Seems to have had a say in appropriately naming "Curveball" Curveball, had something that fell between grave doubts and total disbelief about Saddam's WMD, and with his colleagues tried to work within the system to neutralize the complete psychopathic bullshit of Cheney and the Neocons.  Redacted Colin Powell's famous UN speech, only to get re-redacted just prior to presentation.  Cheney et al played Tenet like the self-seeking delusional fool he was (massaged his ego with Cabinet status), so that all who knew the bullshit were overruled.  Drumheller and a few others resigned in protest.

There's a reason Snowden went outside the system.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:27 | 3655119 Anusocracy
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"He's done tremendous damage to the country where he born and raised and educated," Ruppensberger said.

Exactly the opposite, he did a tremendous service for his country.

Hopefully, he has done tremendous damage to his country's evil GOVERNMENT.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:28 | 3655132 tenpanhandle
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I thought he was uneducated.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3655214 NoTTD
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I thoguth he was lying and didn't have access to the materials.

 

Can't be both.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3655217 Things that go bump
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Exactly. People are trained to look at their country and the government as synonymous when they are not. One can still be a patriot while opposing a government whose motives and actions are not necessarily predictated on the good of the people. 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:40 | 3655548 underman
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"He's done tremendous damage to the country where he born and raised and educated," Ruppensberger said.

Was he educated?  Didn't he drop out of that? 

How does he damage the country if he doesn't have access to what he says he has access to?

Isn't wikipedia doing damage to the country by providing a page and pretty awesome pic of the Utah database?  With mention of the the alleged spying.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:29 | 3655134 DaddyO
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Since when is education an indicator of intelligence.

Look at all the educated imbeciles in congress who couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the bottom of the heel.

DaddyO

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:08 | 3655375 malikai
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Poor congressmen in the "intelligence committe" got outwitted by a dropout.

Such a shame.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:25 | 3655476 Rainman
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Looks like Obush will be forced to break out those old waterboards again

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:28 | 3655498 prains
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american education only goes to those who can pay, it has less to do with intelligence or merit and more to do with whose mommy and daddy are part of the system that rewards followers of the regime >>it becomes self perpetuating over generations ...the rich feed their kind only.

that's all these kids learn, it's NOT an education, it's a game that's rigged

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:20 | 3655747 kill switch
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Fuck the education system in this country it's a fraud!!!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSzV4IbwSg

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:28 | 3656361 August
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I hear Chelsea is a true genius.  She'd rise to the top even if born in Bangladesh.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:33 | 3656062 ChanceIs
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President Harry Truman occupied the Oval Office for about seven years with only a high school diploma.

Bill F*&king Gates dropped out of college.

Mark "Suck My Zuckerg" berg only did two years at Harvard.

OK.  Who else?

Going to college is bad for computer geeks.  Everybody knows that.

Can anbody in college do the NPV on tuition costs?  Of course not.  Otherwise they wouldn't be there.

Snowden sounds pretty smart to me.  He gal was (is) attractive in many ways.  Clearly a case of geek envy on the part of the Chairman.

PS:  I started college as a computer major.  Couldn't stand being around the geeks.  Went into mechanical engineering.

PPS:  If the House Intelligence Committee is so smart, why can't they figure who naked shorted 1/4 of the annual gold supply on the market in fice minutes back in April?  Where is the payoff for the nation - reading my emails or watching the gold markets?  Filtering ZeroHedge posts or filtering high frequency trading?  Figuring out the chain of mortgage ownership now that MERS is seen to be a fraud?  Maybe identifying the counterparties in 1 quadri$$ion of derivative.  Maybe figuring how to net that out?

We give those dorks $100 bi$$ion annually to listen to my phone and they can't even audit banks!?!?!?!?!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:31 | 3655147 waterhorse
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I sure as hell would not believe ANYONE in CONgress.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:54 | 3655290 MeMadMax
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Even if the congressman dude was telling the truth, damage done, might as well not talk about it and wait for it to go away... Which isn't hard when the typical iSheeple dem-drone has a memory span of 15 minutes or so...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:58 | 3655316 Milestones
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A congressman calling a U.S.citizen a liar? Surly you jest!! Talk about the kettle calling the pot black. Wow, the arrogance of these clowns i D.C. is underwhelming. Ever hear about Joan of Arc's fate congressmen?          Milestones

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:23 | 3655767 kill switch
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Fuck CONgress 90% of them are living brain donors.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:24 | 3655474 underman
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One typically lies in order to reap benefit, or avoid harm.  The best Snowden could hope for by lying is instant fade to black. 

Don't these clowns actually think about their use of words and angles?  Richard Branson dropped out of high school.  Al Pacino and Robert Deniro.  Lady Di.  So?  Does this make them subhuman?  What level of accreditability does one need to be considered a legitimate whistle blower?  Does it then not beg the question of how the fuck the NSA allowed clearance to classified, top secret spy programs like PRISM to lowly high school dropouts?  Oh, ok, so subhumans are qualified for clearance to spy on anyone, but they fall well short on whistleblower qualifications. 

Pile of stinking, steamy shit this is.

 

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:51 | 3655585 eatthebanksters
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At the end of the second world war the Nurenburg trials were held.  German officers who said they were following orders were convicted of crimes against humanity for not following a higher moral code and disobeying orders.  They were summarily executed. Here we have a young man who follows a higher moral code and disobeys orders; yet he is called a traitor.  Wow, I guess politicians are all above the law and whatever they say is law...I hope I'm on their good side, especially when they listen in on my phone calls and read my tweets and emails.

I cannot stand two faced motherfuckers! 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:50 | 3655895 Chupacabra-322
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The one who should be arrested is Congressman King himself, who all the way up to 9/11 was an ardent supporter for the Irish Republican Army. He was so deeply in bed with the IRA that the Irish government boycotted the NYC Irish Day Parade in 1995. (Washington Post reported on this March 5th 2011). Congressman King is a Fascist scumbag who hides his true crimes behind the cloak of National Security. The true Patriot is Ed Snowden who risked it all, so that we would know the truth. The truth in how our US Government lies to us all the time and violates, with impunity, all our Civil and Constitutional rights. We live in a twisted America where a pompous, arrogant demogogue, like Peter King becomes the representative of the people.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:15 | 3655046 kralizec
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Yes, gubmint-speak translation - the wet team almost has you, we're cleaning this up lickity-split, then back to business-as-usual fucking over the people.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:37 | 3655157 DaddyO
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The wet team won't be necessary...the Chicoms will hand him over forthwith.

Besides there aren't many willing to do wet work anymore, they've all been replaced with drones and their basement dwelling operators.

DaddyO

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:17 | 3655055 eatthebanksters
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Itwill be interesting if Snowden has info to publish which backs up his assertions and representations....that would be a tough genie to put back in the bottle for Rogers and Ruppersberger, even if Snowden is a high school dropout who has had academic and employment troubles.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:20 | 3655087 Max Cynical
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Hopefully a trove of senate or house e-mails...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:36 | 3655182 Clashfan
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You two may be in luck: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-used-a-thumb-drive-2013-6#...

From the BI piece:

 

National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden smuggled thousands of highly classified documents out of an NSA facility in Hawaii using a thumb drive, officials told Ken Dilanian of the Los Angeles Times.

The 29-year-old ex-Booz Allen employee who was contracted as a system administrator — meaning he had wide access and a keen understanding of NSA computer networks — has already leaked classified documents, including a top secret court order compelling Verizon to turn over its call records, and a program, dubbed PRISM, that provides the agency access to nine big tech companies.

Investigators “know how many documents he downloaded and what server he took them from,” one official told the Times, but they still don't know how Snowden got access to the order marked “Top Secret” from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Glenn Greenwald of the Guardian, who has served as a conduit for Snowden's leaks, told The New York Times that Snowden provided “thousands” of classified documents — “dozens” of which are newsworthy.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-used-a-thumb-drive-2013-6#ixzz2W7uwLyIt

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3655213 CH1
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Glenn Greenwald of the Guardian, who has served as a conduit for Snowden's leaks, told The New York Times that Snowden provided “thousands” of classified documents — “dozens” of which are newsworthy.

And they'll vanish into a dark hole if they don't publish them pretty damned quick!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:13 | 3655400 bank guy in Brussels
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Guardian and New York Times ...

Same two CIA-tied papers which ran up the hype on Julian Assange, and then both turned 180 degrees on him, bashing him ... exactly when ordered

Same two papers, Guardian and New York Times, which have criminal charge complaints registered against them in Europe, for both accepting bribes to plant fake news stories against the political refugee from the US who is a classmate of Ben Bernanke and an expert on US judicial corruption ...

Brazilian journalist Pepe Escobar was noting the same today:

« The UK Guardian's position is more dubious; it badly wants to crack the American market, but at the same time solemnly ditched, even smeared, Julian Assange after it got what it wanted from him »
http://atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-130613.html

And then we have millionaire journalist Mika Brzezinski pumping Snowden, the daughter of master warmonger Zbigniew 'Great Game - Grand Chessboard' Brzezinski, Obama friend and advisor, Trilateral Commission grandfather, central US Shadow Government figure with Rockefellers, Henry Kissinger, Bilderbergs etc

While Mika's brother Ian Brzezinski has been working with Snowden at the CIA-NSA company Booz Allen ...

The US Senators and CONgresspeople are lying sacks of shite

But the media hype on Snowden, from two CIA newspapers and the daughter of America's top CIA consultant and Obama senior advisor

Is damn suspicious

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3655216 Lets_Eat_Ben
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"...even if Snowden is a high school dropout who has had academic and employment troubles."

This only legitimizes what Snowden alleges in my book. The biggest cocksuckers I have ever known are in the upper echelon of academia and have HUGE salaries.

Yale has a graduate program in ass-kissing/ball-licking. Very prestigous.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:01 | 3655638 toys for tits
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"Yale has a graduate program in ass-kissing/ball-licking. Very prestigous."

Sounds delicious.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:41 | 3655221 OutLookingIn
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LMAO!

Is that the best they can do?

Throw out accusations, that the reasons for are "classified"?

Me thinks that DC just shot themselves in the foot. Again! lol lmao

We know that the DC thinks we were all born at night. But get real! Not last night!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:48 | 3655253 NeedleDickTheBu...
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As a proud graduate of that august institution of higher learning, Adrian College, it's clear we need to put our complete trust in Representative Rogers when it comes to issues surrounding national security.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:27 | 3655121 theXman
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I find this "highschool drop out" line particularly stupid. Would a Ph.D. degree in Computer Science guarantee someone's character or integrity? Snowden obviously is a very thoughtful even philosophical person, more intelligent than your average Congressman, highschool diploma or not.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:30 | 3655142 ParkAveFlasher
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+1 Precisely why he likely found no solace, challenge, or value in our education system.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:35 | 3655177 DaddyO
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+1 Great point and a true indictment of the poor excuse for an education system.

DaddyO

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:29 | 3657202 Richard Chesler
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more intelligent than your average Congressman.

That's a pretty low fucking bar.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:44 | 3655232 Sauk Leader
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I know a lot more graduates of Harvard and Princeton who have done much more damage to this country than this guy.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:50 | 3655274 TheGardener
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"He did not meet our direct recruiting standards for mediocrity, mediocre applicants have degrees."

"But he worked on government projects ?"

"Sure , we rent talent from outside consultants, for reasons I stated above."

"So you say you indirectly trusted an uneducated person with
issues of national security ?"

"We are not in the business to trust persons, education
and answering questions."

"So did you work with him because he was talented?"

"No, I said we rent talent."

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:33 | 3655521 ParkAveFlasher
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Reads like a dialectic equivalent of a Chinese fire drill.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:57 | 3655936 e_goldstein
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Not to mention their professors. 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:33 | 3655163 Anusocracy
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What is government but a bunch of thieves and murderers with degrees.

You wouldn't go wrong if you gave all of them honorary degrees in psychopathic behavior.

 

 

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:16 | 3655650 Lore
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Re: "psychopathic behavior"

That is a key point. I'm reminded of President Obama's response to some scandal:  "Everything that has happened is PERFECTLY LEGAL."  As if that should be the only consideration!

Moral hazard is something that psychopaths are incapable of grasping and appreciating and respecting.  They are incapable of forbearance.  My understanding is that America's first laws were structured to preserve the moral fiber of the new nation by restricting the actions of psychopaths. Control freaks do not recognize the requirement for privacy in a free society.  Wars had to be fought and tyrants deposed in order to defend it.  What we are witnessing is a crisis of morality.  The significance cannot be overstated.  How ironic that my local newspaper put the Snowden item on the last page of the business section, boiled down to a six-inch blurb!

(Anecdotally, it is remarkable how few proponents of the 'green' movement fail to recognize Agenda 21 as another project to redefine social conscience in the interest of grassroots totalitarianism, a la Big Green Brother.  The war has many fronts, 'terror' being only one.)

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:31 | 3655816 mt paul
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long

pole-dancing ballerinas

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:13 | 3655403 Dick Buttkiss
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Pladizow:

I dont believe a word any banker, politician, lawyer, congressman, MSM reporter or US Gov employee says!

Nietzsche:

Everything the state says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.

Buttkiss:

The state can kiss my ass.*

* I define the state as government as those who control it, which obviously includes bankers, the MSM, etc.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:25 | 3655478 Renewable Life
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"When your living in Tyranny, telling the truth becomes an act of treason"

But those corrupt ass congressman only believed that, when it's someone's else's tyranny, right assholes???

If this kid was Russian or Chinese and he had done the same thing, we'd be hold a parade for him in NYC and giving him asylum under the UN Human Rights declaration, the Nobel Peace Prize winner would be holding press conferences with him at the WH!!

It's fucking sickening what we've become over the last 45 years, just fuckin sickening!!!!

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:12 | 3655006 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Politicians calling someone a liar?

Sure, sure. What's next, Angelo Mozilo calling someone a con artist?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:43 | 3655228 Lets_Eat_Ben
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..or Cheney calling someone a fascist?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:13 | 3655018 NotApplicable
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"A high-school dropout..." who they were paying a contractor for who paid him $200k.

Yeah, that looks really bad on him, now doesn't it?

I'd love to see these stupid fucks try to get away with this idiocy without a compliant press.

Speaking of which, wasn't Glenn Beck supposed to bring it all down today?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:22 | 3655083 ParkAveFlasher
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Right, who's dumber, the idiot or the one who hired him for six figures? The hubris is palpable and it stinks.

If his information is unimportant, why are you answering questions, General?

Is that the General can not wrap his head around even the thought that a man - born, raised, and even "educated" in the US - may be incorruptable rather than incorrigible?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:37 | 3655198 azzhatter
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They probably know what's coming in his next data dump so they have to smear him before it comes out. Hope he has some sex tapes of Rogers blowing Barney Frank in the congressional bathroom

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:01 | 3655326 TheGardener
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I`m afraid the chief spooks are right : " He is obviously lying, he has no idea how EVIL we really are!"

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:02 | 3655340 Citxmech
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Personally, I'm hoping for some recordings of one or more Federal Judge's phone calls.

That would about do it.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:04 | 3655661 toys for tits
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I hope it's a couple of these douchebags from the Intelligence Committee, who claim the NSA doesn't have the capability.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:45 | 3655876 Citxmech
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As long as we're hoping - I'll also put in a vote for something incriminating out of Feinstein.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:16 | 3655052 pupton
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Here come the character assasinations.  When you can't win with facts, throw turds.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:29 | 3655140 Ness.
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I was watching a Charlie Rose innterview about Snowden the other night.  Charlie was getting a little angry because the guests weren't following his leading questions the way he'd hoped for so he literally said, "Ok, we know he's a high school dropout - now let's personalize this a little."

 

I just about tossed a brick thru my TeeVee.  Instead of searching for answers or motives, he was more interested in trying to attack Snowden's credibility.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:33 | 3655162 waterhorse
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Charlie Rose is such an old hack - I can't stand that hatchet-faced orange man either - Pelly I think it is.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:31 | 3655511 g speed
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he said that on TV---most TV viewers are highschool dropouts---stupid is as stupid does.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:50 | 3656206 Tsunami Wave
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He's a Builderberger.  Though he wasn't invited or went to the event this year.  What do you expect from a hack?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:48 | 3655258 eatthebanksters
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As a kid I always  used to laugh when we went to the zoo and they warned us not to stand near the monkey cage because they throw turds...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:17 | 3655061 Jdog
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A bunch of Liars just got caught lying, now  they are calling the one who told the truth about their lies Lying?

 

lol

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:18 | 3655066 azzhatter
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So predictable. I could have written this article last Sunday

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:18 | 3655069 freewolf7
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Meet Mike and Dutch, the politicians calling the ex-NSA guy a liar. Okay.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:29 | 3655139 waterhorse
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I wish someone like Larry Flynt would "come to the rescue" of Snowden.  Anyone remember when he put up that 1 million dollar bounty on the self-righteous CONgressional accusers during the Clinton/Lewinsky affair?  It was quite entertaining.  I'll bet Rogers and Ratburger have a whole collection of skeletons in their closets that they would not want exposed...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:40 | 3655212 Zymurguy
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Notice how they are only commenting (and targeting) on his statements concerning what he bragged about being able to do.

That's immaterial to what the issue at hand is and an orchestrated mis-direction initiative meant to divert the public away from what really needs to be investigated.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:44 | 3655236 Canadian Dirtlump
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The media... lol gotta love them. they have today said "embarrassing photos of ed snowden have surface." here it's him from the back with his pants down , and his long black loose boxer briefs showing.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:08 | 3655379 Citxmech
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The reason they're focusing on that is because collecting metadata with a court order is legal.  For Snowden to qualify for whistle-blower protection he needs to be able to prove fraud.  If he can show the NSA lied to Congress, or that NSA activity went beyond the FISA court warrent - he's home free.  Of course the NSA will then point to Congress claiming they gave them authorization (which would be beyond the scope of the Patriot Act), screwing Congress.

Basically - if he can show that NSA routinely recorded primary email/phone content - the roof should blow off of this thing.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:20 | 3655451 bank guy in Brussels
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You assume that US judges have an ounce of integrity and independence

When all US federal judges are under ongoing threat of death

Like Federal Judge John Roll shot dead in 2011 a few days after ruling against the Obama regime

Media barely covered it ... It was a message to the other judges

That's why US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts looks so ashen-faced and fearful about his legal contortions to pretend Obama-care was Constitutional

Roberts was worried about getting 'John Rolled'

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:36 | 3655533 g speed
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+1   to rise in power in this world you simply have to do murder--the more ruthless the better and the quicker the rise.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:08 | 3655671 Citxmech
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They obviously don't have this shit completely locked-down - or we wouldn't be discussing any of it.

Did you see this link posted elsewhere on this thread:

 

Government Says Secret Court Opinion on Law Underlying PRISM Program Needs to Stay Secret 

"In a rare public filing in the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), the Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional.  Significantly, the surveillance at issue was carried out under the same controversial legal authority that underlies the NSA’s recently-revealed PRISM program. 

EFF filed a suit under the Freedom of Information Act in August 2012, seeking disclosure of the FISC ruling.  Sens. Ron Wyden and Mark Udall revealed the existence of the opinion, which found that collection activities under FISA Section 702  "circumvented the spirit of the law” and violated the Fourth Amendment's prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. But, at the time, the Senators were not permitted to discuss the details publicly. Section 702 has taken on new importance this week, as it appears to form the basis for the extensive PRISM surveillance program reported recently in the Guardian and the Washington Post. . . ."

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/government-says-secret-court-opinion-law-underlying-prism-program-needs-stay

  If this report is true - and the documents get out.  Many heads should roll (no, not the ones at the very top - but it will hurt their cause immensely).

 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:05 | 3655669 Cloud9.5
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Somebody read Pelican Brief.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:11 | 3655695 toys for tits
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Roll was shot at that same event as Gabrielle Giffords - Obama's favorite vegetable. 

Do you think that this message will get through to the other judges since it's been lost in the other clutter?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 20:05 | 3656493 Lost Word
Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:42 | 3655223 Canadian Dirtlump
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Although the situation is more than a little bizarre, to believe some drug addled pedophile criminal in a thousand dollar tax payer funded suit with everything to lose seems insane.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:24 | 3655422 vulcanraven
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A High School dropout that made it all the way to the NSA.

 

These idiots suffer from chronic foot in mouth disease. And yes, I hope the NSA, CIA, Dept of Defense, Congress, Obozo, and the rest of you scumbags are reading this. Put that in your metadata and smoke it.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 23:36 | 3657127 Clashfan
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As long as you don't live in Florida and as long as your "metadata" isn't a bon... um, a water pipe. 'Cos a water pipe is now a FELONY in Florida. No shit. Freedom my ass. And this guy is a "Tea Party" guy? Some party. NOT.

 

http://www.infowars.com/former-tea-party-governor-makes-possession-of-bo...

From the piece:

It’s another sign that the Tea Party meme is an excuse to institute more statist coercion. Florida Governor Rick Scott has signed legislation that will make possession of a pipe a third degree felony beginning July 1. A third degree felony in Florida could result in a five year prison term, a loss of the right to vote (for career politicos like Scott), and a lifelong criminal stigma.

Back in 2010 the Tea Party rallied around Scott and it was acknowledged that the party was largely responsible for his election victory.

In all fairness, the honeymoon ended soon thereafter when Scott showed his real colors, most recently when he had a Second Amendment supporting sheriff, Nick Finch, arrested.

The Florida Tea Party support for Republican Scott is simply another example of how politically naïve Tea Party members are. That naivety resulted in the near effortless takeover of the Tea Party by Republican operatives who scoured it of any original libertarian influence or connection to Ron Paul. It was quickly reduced to a cheering section for the establishment.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:26 | 3655484 Honey Badger
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Snowden wasn't lying, he was giving the least untruthful answer, you hypocritic mutha fuckas. 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:33 | 3655520 ShrNfr
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Who you gonna trust? Some turd that has to play cya or a sysadmin?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:36 | 3655535 mc225
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if i didn't know better, i'd say snowden looks like the perfect strawman; set up and knocked down.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:28 | 3655751 new guy
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Question- What do the builders of The Great Wall of China, The Great Pyramids of Egypt and the Acropolis all have in common?

Answer- None of them had a High School Diplomas.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 17:58 | 3655944 FightingtheFed
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Right on! 0 credibility.

 

Now who are the 4 Statist Neo-cons on the site?

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 19:13 | 3656311 Clayton Bigsby
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Straight outta the intelligence playbook, I'm sure

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:07 | 3654976 kito
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Lying?? Like the way clapper lied to congress a few months ago when he claimed Americans weren't being tapped????

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:13 | 3655022 francis_sawyer
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All Michigan & Maryland congresscritters are DNC cronies [& more importantly, Obama cocksuckers]... Martin O'Malley [MD Gov.] is the worst sychophant of all because he jokingly sees a path to the WH for himself which will NEVER materialize]...

~~~

Of all the horseshit threads today... This is the biggest horseshit of all...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:15 | 3655037 Bay of Pigs
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These fucking assholes in Congress and the NSA calling the kettle black?

It's priceless. 

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 16:36 | 3655537 francis_sawyer
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@BOP

~~~

Well ~ all I need to tell you right now is that a SEVERE Thunderstorm just passed through the Washington D.C. area...

&... THANK DOG ALMIGHTY [in spite of the thunderous gravities expressed by the local media]... OBAMA, & THESE TWO 'lives' were spared...

Thank Jesus! [It was pretty dicey there for awhile]...

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:15 | 3655040 DosZap
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A high school droput, smart enough to get hired by a sub contractor, with access to very sensitive information?(making close to 200k a year), uh, the mud slinging has begun.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 18:29 | 3656087 Republi-Ken
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SNOWDEN reminds me a kid talking his book in College Freshman Philosophy class.

Idealism like existential democracy is a fine Libertarian Utopia...

But Snowden never brings the elephant of his dilemna into his complaint about spying...

Bombers brings bombs to a neighborhood near you. Or an airplane. Or a public space.

Boston Bombers, Times Square Bomber, Underwear Bomber, Shoe Bomber. Duh!

Snowden ignores the real threat whose ONLY defense is SPYING.

Thu, 06/13/2013 - 15:10 | 3654984 Vooter
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"'I hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are going to be determined by a high-school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles,' Rogers said."

No, but the firing squad order will be! And just for fun, we'll start with the "R"s...

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