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"High-School Dropout Snowden Is Lying" Chairman Of House Intelligence Committee Claims
That the US "big brother" surveillance state would not keel over and die in the aftermath of the Snowden revelations is hardly surprising. But the means by which the government, and in this case the House Intelligence Committee, have set about defending, legitimizing and promoting full state intrusion into personal privacy is a comic sight to behold.
Enter today's hearing between the NSA Director Keith Alexander, and House Intel Committee's Mike Rogers (R-Mich) and Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md), who nearly a week after the initial Edward Snowden charges have resorted to the oldest trick in the book: calling him a liar.
From the Hill:
The NSA leaker is lying about both his access to information and the scope of the secret surveillance programs he uncovered, the heads of the House Intel Committee charged Thursday.
Emerging from a hearing with NSA Director Keith Alexander, Reps. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the Intelligence Committee, and Dutch Ruppersberger (Md.), the senior Democrat on the panel, said Snowden simply wasn't in the position to access the content of the communications gathered under National Security Agency programs, as he's claimed.
"He was lying," Rogers said. "He clearly has over-inflated his position, he has over-inflated his access and he's even over-inflated what the actually technology of the programs would allow one to do. It's impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do."
"He's done tremendous damage to the country where he was born and raised and educated," Ruppersberger said.
Asked how much additional information – including other FISA verdicts – Snowden has in his possession, Rogers said, "No one really knows the answer to that today. I think we will know the answer to that shortly."
Someone will, but not the general public: because it is easy to accuse Snowden of lying when the government can claim the national security exemption when anyone demands to confirm if Snowden is actually telling the truth. In other words, it is our (classified) word over his.
Just to stir it up a little more, and invoke imagery of Daniel Craig in a tux driving an Aston Martin, the hint that Snowden was a double agent is quietly being tested:
Rogers said investigators are also trying to determine whether Snowden has any relationship with foreign governments – something national security officials don't know yet, he said.
If that fails to gain traction, there is always the accusation that he should have just follow proper whistleblowing protocol. No really.
"Some people are saying that he's a hero. He's broken the law," Ruppersberger said. "We have laws in the United States for whistleblowers, for people that think there's an injustice being done. All he had to do was raise his hand. … Under the whistleblower law, he is protected. Yet he chose to go to China."
And when all else fails, go for good old character assassination, and the media's favorite fall back plan: shooting the messenger.
"I hope that we don't decide that our national security interests are going to be determined by a high-school dropout who had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles," Rogers said.
Well, there is a high-school dropout... and then there is a successful community organizer who supposedly was familiar with the constitution, until proven otherwise. Repeatedly.
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He got a C- in English in 4th grade!!! And he LIED!!! waaaa-waaaa-waaaa-waaaaa
That's it, he lied. So I guess the same pols who want him sued for disclosing information that could damage "national security" will drop their case, right ? Since it was false info and all....
They are all in deep shit. The media is not reporting it but here is why.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/government-says-secret-court-opini...
In a rare public filing in the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC), the Justice Department today urged continued secrecy for a 2011 FISC opinion that found the National Security Agency's surveillance under the FISA Amendments Act to be unconstitutional. Significantly, the surveillance at issue was carried out under the same controversial legal authority that underlies the NSA’s recently-revealed PRISM program.
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Everyone who had access to that opinion knowingly continued to break the law in this case it was ruled unconstitutional by the FISC court and they are trying to keep it buried because their justification if brought to light would force the regular courts to take it into consideration if it is out in the public not including the outcry that is going to come once it is made public for the program to be stopped. The courts can't weasel around the issue like Roberts did with Obamacare once it is out in the public.
He who screams loudest is usually the most guilty of parties........
And more importantly
https://www.eff.org/document/fisc-opinion-and-order-granting-effs-motion
FISC court granted the EFF motion to continue the case to get the opinion unsealed even though the DOJ is trying block them from unsealing it.
First the FISC court ruled it unconstitutional back in 2011, then it was buried and continued anyways, they are done once the shtf as far as political career goes if there is any rule of law and justice left in this county. Not just them fucking weasels in Congress but that asshole Holder also is done.
Frankly I don't know if a FISC ruling is the same as regular court, if it is they broke the fucking the law by continuing the program in violation of a court ruling, they all need to brought up on criminal charges. Like I said they are in deep dogshit if the rule of law still applies in this country. We are going to find out if it civil war time over this. You can't as government entity ignore a court ruling and continue breaking the law and be allowed to get away with it. If that is allowed we are fucking done, stick a fucking fork in it, rule of law no longer applies if no one follows the courts, it is every man for himself.
The fact that FISC even exists makes me want to drum up a lynch mob. All of this Shutzstaffel in the USA bullshit just about has my head on fire. I wish a few million more people would feel the same way.
please be nice we are collecting your information now
Classic.. 2 politicians saying somebody is lying. I can imagine the convo from CIA to intel heads.. He is lying guys.. Really? Ok thanks mister CIA Harvard graduate! It's almost too funny.
I can't believe they actually played the liar-liar-pants-on-fire card
"Some people are saying that he's a hero. He's broken the law," Ruppersberger said. "We have laws in the United States for whistleblowers, for people that think there's an injustice being done. All he had to do was raise his hand. … Under the whistleblower law, he is protected. Yet he chose to go to China."
Bla..bla...bla...the NSA Director and those two duffus congressman just came out and stated to the world we hire high school dropouts and give them high security top secret clearance but you shouldn't believe anything he says because he is a high school dropout.
If he is a high school dropout it doesn't mean a dam thing because obviously CIA and NSA thought him intelligent enough to work for them and pay him 122K a year plus benefits. They only have one card to play and that is exactly what they are doing. Create doubt to the American public to try and diminish what he has already released regarding NSA illegal activities and what he will most likely release in the future.
I am betting somewhere is a record of an IQ test Snowden had taken that showed him to be a highly intelligent person thus him working for NSA as a subcontractor.
All they did was just insult Americans intelligence especially those who didn't finish high school for a variety of reasons, many being very valid reasons. What they did was just state if you didn't finish high school we think of you as a piece of shit not worthy of anything and not capable of making anything of your life.
How about they talk about why they think its ok to violate millions of Americans contitutional rights? Even high school dropouts know that as you get the basics of the constitution in elementary school.. Fuckin morons...
He definitely strikes me as a bright guy (yea, I'm sure they have his scores), but it is his sense of morality and his courage to right a great wrong that is unusual.
Many high powered Hollywood types dropped out of high school and they have influenced countries. If the kid is lying then how could he be doing any damage. I've heard, "the truth hurts" before but I've never heard anyone utter "fiction hurts". The truth is the ultimate salve to heal wounds caused by lying. Ball's in your court Obama.
LOL! He is lying and didn't have access to jack, but he caused grave damage!
1984 in 2013!
Good one!!
Is there a bigger cunt than Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC?
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/12/edward-snowden-is-an-it-genius-says-a-fri...
At around minute 15, he tries to work a Ron Paul hates Israel, blames America for 9/11, and drowns kittens line of questioning in, in a segue so awkward and tacked on, even he must be embarrassed deep down.
I'd comment over there, but what's the point? These are the people who dismiss every criticism of Obama, and are still irked that we don't have a 1 party post-Republican federal state.
O'Donnell took some time after the Boston bombing to go after RP, too. Now, I don't think RP is perfect, but he was lightyears better on virtually everything than either Obama and Romney. O'Donnell isn't a dumb guy, which makes this all the more irritating. He's purposely twisting what RP had said to try to discredit Snowden.
The problem is, these people will insist that Bin Laden did 9/11 but refuse to believe what he himself purportedly said about his motivations. Jeff Goldberg and a host of other Israel Firsters have been playing this game since 9/11... .blame bin laden but dont pay any attention to what he said as to his reasons.
Cute.
Lawrence O'Donnell is one of the biggest jerk offs on television. Never heard of him until someone sent me the link of the 'interview' (and I use that term in the loosest sense) he did with Peter Schiff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYEtTkanDx0
Just another bleeding heart liberal Irish prick from Boston. My only wish for him is that one day he be forced to live in a 100% black neighborhood with the wonderful people he loves and cares for so much.
Drowding kittens is a very unhappy thought.. maybe if i off a few kittens i'll feel better. - usa gov line of thinking.. dont resist.. futile.
Piers Morgan.
Not that any of your points are untrue but...
If he really is a liar we better be careful. The Democrats might grab him and try to get him elected president
Prove it
Drone attack the motherfucker you goddamn psychos!!!
This guy loves his country. Im pretty sure he isn't trying to sell info. Here is novel idea.. Give him clemancy in exchange for testimony. Stand him up as a national hero for exposing truth if it is such. Then the world would stand there jaws dropping going America kicks ass!
A government for the people by the people.. Really, it's time you guys put up or shut up.
We must never question the "national security" measures that the US government implements to protect us from the millions of terrorists that they themselves import into the country every year.
Cant wait for the High School drop out whistle blower , disclosing Feds Futures buying program globally. Todays wolrd markets were all drawn up by a string and then "Hilsenrath" 20 mins from the close came up with the "explanation".
A whistle blower from FED , that realises what they are doing is harmful to the entire financial system globally.
Are they really THAT scared?
Plus...we know he didn't lie about the gigantic illegal wiretap of millions of Verizon phones as NSA had to come somewhat clean on that relevation..but don't worry..trust them..they said they didn't look at the conversations only just the numbers..ha..ha...ha...what NSA and other agencies are trying to do is justify why they broke the law and upsurped the constitution and the reality they all know is there is no justification to intentionally breaking federal and state laws and violating US Citizens constitutional rights. NONE!!!
Need to meet up with these elected idiots in a dark alley sometime.
So how did a lying high school drop out get a high security clearance and a job at NSA? And if Snowden didn't have access to anything important, why all the fuss?
fucking liars.
hairball
I'm sorry hairball, all those questions are classified, and only certain members of Congress are privy to that info.
But yea, fucking liars indeed.
Citizen number 435890515 you have been identified for re-neducation.
You will be picked up by NSA hired goons in 1 hour to begin.
The best and brightest of our security apparatus:
"Hmmm, calling him a traitor hasn't seemed to work, we better call a meeting." Post meeting, "The man is a liar".
Oh, then I guess the NSA and Obama administration doesn't have anything to be upset about. Certainly not worth souring international relations with extradition claims. Someone falsely claiming to be able to do what the NSA has no ability to do. The Utah facility is just a bunch of airconditioned buildings to house a couple of computer disks worth of data.
This story is so absurd even I cant believe it.
High school drop outs can command 200,000 grand a year but are fucking lying about the 200,000 grand a year job they are payed to do?????
Fuck off, talk sense and call me shirley before I believe a touch of this shit.
These fucking imbeciles think we are like them fucking imbeciles, fucking imbeciles.
Bollocks, I dont believe a word of this shit.
Payed, paid?
My bad.
+1 re: Bollocks. Reminds me of V for Vendetta, and I think there are very similar themes going on here...
"We need to remind them why they need us." paraphrasing Chancellor Sutton.
Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern: Obama is afraid of the CIA
Obama reportedly said: "Don't you know what happened to Martin Luther King Jr?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz3XwHyrVsQ
Obama and his father and his mother worked for the CIA.
GO TO HELL CONGRESS. Congress has broken the bonds of trust by violating their oath to uphold the constitution. A high school dropout has more credibility than any member of Congress and Federal Reserve.
If he's such a nincompoop, why are we paying him $200k per year?
I've been trying to get him impeached for 5 years.
Indeed. Then again, government spending decisions never make much sense. Maybe he can do a killer Spock impression and they needed someone to compete in the national inter-agency Star Trek parody championship? You never know...
He broke the law, we broke the constitution....yipee ay eee bla,bla,bla
Who do you believe?
The people you have caught lieing before?
or
The people the people you have caught lieing before say are the people lieing?
IMO, Better to not believe anyone, and assume its worst than all the lies say it isn't that it is.
I am educated. I have many accomplishments. However 3 years ago I decided to go full time into finance ie daytrading with a big helping of economics. My eyes got wide open. There really is a ruling class whose job is to perpetulate the status quo. Seems unlikely to those with average jobs with average wives and average children. But it's completely true. If I said I live in China and there is a ruling class who lie to us all would go of course. But give someone a vote and fuck him thru the back door? S'all good.
Sure. Why would anyone expect skills from a dropout like Snowden, or Bill Gates, or Wozniak, or Lebron James? We have over 500 proven corrupt failures-in-governance to trust.
I'm gonna guess that Mr. "High School Drop Out" is at least 10 steps ahead of these trough gluttons and will shortly be dropping his proof in someones' lap. He surely is prepared for this. Far more prepared than they were to be outed.
Anyone who's worked in IT knows that all potential employers care about is your substantive computer skills. They couldn't give a damn about what degrees you have. Leave it to a bunch of mouth breathing liberal arts majors making $25k/yr writing for the MSM to think that anyone without a bachelor's degree must be mentally retarded and unemployable.
Just because the other ring of three ring circus is not getting enough attention....
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/13/Memo-state-department...
And now we have a third scandal emanating from Hillary Clinton's State Department. A shocking memo obtained by the New York Post says that the State Department hired an "alarming number of law-enforcement agents with criminal or checkered backgrounds because of a flawed hiring process."The memo goes on to state that the troubling backgrounds can pose a problem if the agents are needed to testify at trials to assist prosecutors.
“Too many people entering the [Diplomatic Security and Information Management] communities end up as subjects of [Special Investigation Division] investigations and HR adjudications, become Giglio-impaired and can play only limited roles thereafter,” according to the memo.
“Giglio” refers to a US Supreme Court case dealing with jury notification that witnesses have made deals with the government to induce testimony.
Who was minding the store over there? On top of hiring criminals, our consulate in Benghazi was left unprotected and it was State that pushed to turn the CIA talking points surrounding Libya from truth to lie.
And it was just a few days ago that CBS News broke the story of the State Department covering up allegations of internal misconduct, including the solicitation of prostitution, drug abuse, and pedophilia.
Wasn't is just a few months ago that the media was celebrating Hillary as The Greatest Secretary of State In the History of Secretary of States?
Why, yes -- yes, it was.
Pedophilia in the State Department is old news, and as rampant as in the clergy. Twenty years ago, the Pakistan embassy was staffed with single men with boy houseservants.
Long list of Gays in State Dept history, reportedly.
Often Blackmailed by one side or the other.
These days, equal opportunity for the Lesbians.
Well, "birds of a feather and all that" you know.
Where are the lists of congress persons to be voted out of office first chance.
There are enough people now to be effective. Ron Paul thinks it will happen too slow but momentum is building very fast and it is changing without using lists that state particular treasonous laws passed by each respective congressperson.
Long live the revolution.
Feinstein is #1 by default. Graham takes 2nd place. McCain and Schumer are tied for third.
Easy. Every one of them. Better yet, hang 'em all from the nearest lamppost or tall tree.
So elitism (education) qualifies someone to speak the truth? Hmmmm.... there are a lot of educated crooks on Wall Street.
His education has nothing to do with truth. What he presents will validate or discredit him.
I was involved in a jury trial and this cop saw the perp doing the act and ID'ed him. Had him absolutely cold. So the defense lawyer starts to cross examine the cop and starts asking him "Have you had any complaints filed against you?" "Have you ever been suspended?" "Ever have a restraining order filed against you?" "Do you have a problem with alcohol?" "Have you ever hit your wife?" He was just fishing for something, anything, that would give the jury an uncomfortable feeling about the guy so that we wouldn't take in his testimony. Not a bit suprised that they are going to smear Snowden's name in EVERY way they can think of.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad cops.
Easier to prove these days with video cameras everywhere.
Methinks he doth protest too much...
There have been plenty of wack job whistleblowers in the past, if Snowden was just talking smack the brass wouldn't be scurrying around like an anthill was kicked over.
And yes, they have zero credibility.
Then why did Obama say he needed to do what Snowden claimed he was doing? LOL. Make up your mind NSA clowns. Better yet. Time for an investigation.
Old Media meets New Media. Old Media is dead.
I'd compare this all to Thatcher and Co.; although you might not like them, you always got the impression they were smart, hungry and nasty. Even Boris "I'm so fluffy" Johnson you know is a dangerous & sharp bear under the bluster. These two Congressmen playing this level of politics, when the NSA director is on the hook for perjury is gross incompetence.
"He was not lying" Rogers said. "He clearly only semi-unwittingly said the word 'no' when that was the most honest answer he could give to the question when the truth was 'yes'."
This isn't even fun anymore, these so-called apex predators are fat, have broken teeth and can no longer keep up with the gazelles.
I strongly suspect an engineered culling is going on. Remember the technique: turn them into weapons against themselves.
wtf did i just watch?!
kim kard. I know its hard to play poker in another league.
It's a critique of the American Manufactured music industry in which the well known aliens kill off Lady Gaga (after removing a large cricket from her semen filled vagina, I never said their imagery was subtle). The joke is that Lady Gaga attempts to manufacture shock (the meat dress) while they are actually shocking (YMMV, it's not shocking to me, but I suspect for a normative viewer, it probably is). It also helps if you know who these guys are for the pet wild animal references. (You might want to avoid the first three links if you're not into fairly open levels of quasi-Satanic / blood / predator shock, but the last three are safe, and very interesting).
Culture from outside your bubble. I was making a point about how easy Congressmen have it, and are so lazy these days about lying, not facing a hostile or even inquisitive press and so on, tied to an animalistic / graphic theme where the lazy American version gets eaten.
I might also have been throwing a curve ball to people getting too used to common and friendly cultural references in the links.
i wasn't sure if it was a serious attempt at musical talent or just parody...thanks for clarifying
lady gaga sucks...i'm much more of a type o negative/pantera/depeche mode/the cure/nine inch nails kind of person...
last time i checked, i wasn't living in a bubble. i don't live in america since 10 years ago, and i'm an outsider living/blending in another culture in europe...
you can throw anything my way. near death experiences open up your mind to a whole new level.
(completely agree with your point!)
Highschool drop out who was being paid how much? Douche bag dissimulating fuck.
No need to get so angry Mizzzy....
Snowden has them by the balls and they know it... there was no imminent need for his departure so unless he had everything he needed he would still be there taking notes, copying files and collecting a paycheck. And you can rest assured that the more they squawk the worse the breech has been. Personally I would like to see Obama & Friends absolutely scream. :)
He has either thought this game through very well or he is completely suicidal. You decide. This may help.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/12/why-is-edward-snowden-in-hong-kong/
Now is the time to have yourself a good chuckle, a glass of Merlot to celebrate and get some fuzzy warm feelings happening... knowing that you know for certain that ... yes... YES!... there are some good guys still left out there.
Hmmm who to believe... "Chairman of House Intelligence Committee" or "high-school dropout"?
Based on the record so far, I'd advise going with "high-school dropout" for truthiness.
Oxymoron "Chairman of House of INTELLIGENCE Committe"
Anyone see Peter King railing about how Snowden has threatened to out CIA operatives and that is a punishable offense. Though he hasn't done that yet King is ready to indict him for what he might do. Can someone refresh my memory on Vallerie Plame? Anyone get busted for that? Yet the Fox bimbo de jour never connected any dots and let the guy rail on about all the potential damage and he should be arrested just for what he MIGHT do.
He didn't even complete his indoctrination. How can we believe someone who failed at learning that it's futile to take on powerful guys like Roger?
This is about the funniest thing I've ever read. And so is this post and all these comments. Congress has reached a new low if that is even possible.
WHAT IF:
According to the allegation, NSA has everyone's phone recorded.....
So, theoretically, snowden could release the phone records and transcription of Mike and Dutch.....
Gee, I vaguely recalled a movie with a title of something like " enemy of the state"....
In the end, what comes around always goes around.
Embarassing watching them make fools of themselves
WAR is PEACE
FREEDOM is SLAVERY
IGNORANCE is STRENGTH
...
SNOWDEN is A LIAR
MIKE ROGERS is PEACE
THE NSA is FREEDOM
Mike and Dutch you have just besmerched the high school dropouts that reportedly include"
Jim Clark
HG Wells
Jimmy Dean
Robert De Niro
Andrew Jackson
Jack London
Ray Charles
Daniel Gilbert
Patrick Henry
Ansel Adams
Brooke Astor
Humphry Bogart
Kemons Wilson
Roy Rogers
Walter Nash
Rosa Parks
Tommy LaSorda
Richard Branson
Isac Merit Singer
Charlie Chaplin
Jack Kent Cooke
Noel Coward
Horace Greely
Just to name a few. Are all these folks automatically suspect and lacking of integrity because they are "just some high school dropouts" Many high school drop outs have shaped this country and the world we live in for the good. You should apologize for your arrogance and intellectual dishonesty for starters. Furthermore should we take a look at a long list of Ivy League graduates that have lied, cheated and stolen from this country and the entire world? I'm afraid that would be a much, much longer list. In fact I suspect most politicians at the national level have some form of alphabet soup designation from some of the top institutions the world has to offer and they prove day in and day out for decades that they are, in my opinion, nothing but a bunch of lying, theiving, cheating narcissistic cocksuckers. So now Dutch and Mike tell us again which group has the least amount of credibility?
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident"
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
first it is peed on, then its raped multiple times and finally its accepted with open thighs and abandoned sighs.
If they're attempting to disqualify him based on his academics, then why the hell did the CIA/NSA even hire him with his 200K+ annual salary? They go after very talented people for those positions. I call bullshit.
Mel Gibson for US President June 2013
"Conspiracy Theory" ? Well planned escape sequence.
Is Mel a Natural Born Citizen of the USA ?
Michael Gibson was born a Sovereign Citizen of the State of New York. His papers are in order. His competence is well documented.
Hahahahahahahhahahaha!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
And whose government runs an educational system in which the drop outs are the only ones qualified to run your Stasi programs?
http://www.fakenation.info/please/david-brooks-demands-you-respect-his-authority
Didn't Bill Gates of Microsoft drop out of college?
To be able to unplug from the educational system at an earlier age than Bill Gates did, this must make him extremely intelligent, and even more dangerous.
That's probably how he was able to keep the character attribute of knowing "how to think" instead of "what to think".
Didn't a whole lot of sleazy ivy league grads create this entire mess?
Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison too
"Under the whistleblower law, he is protected."
You are the fucking liar, you asshole....
Let's see do I trust a guy who risked everything for no apparent value other than freedom for all from tyranny, appears to have balls as big as an elephant, bangs reasonably hot pole dancers, has a greater moral compass and values than most Americans, and certainly has more guts than most Americans?
Or do I trust people that hired that high school dropout to do top secret work and pay him 122k, are incompetent or complicit enough to allow one of their ambassadors and 2 guards to be murdered (SD), hires 2000 criminals to work in their ranks (SD), repeatedly hires hookers (SD), trys to buy equipment to spy on their own employees (IRS), claims the legal right to insider trading (Congress & Staff), openly lies before Congress (ASN) and and on and onnnnn........... ?
Is it really a choice?
When will you American's stand up and get the albatross off everyone's neck?
+1000 Excellent point.
I agree . . . I think this fella is telling the truth . . . since when does a congressman have credibility and real status in the eyes of any citizen.
I give a rats ass about his employment history, or his credentials, neither is an indicator he is not telling the truth.
I think the real culprits here are the NSA and this nimrod who is chairman only because of his seniority.
When was the last time you heard the truth when an elected or other government official moved his lips?
+ 100
"When it gets serious, you have to lie"
Unfortunately, it isn't an albatross around the neck,
It is a Jackboot on the neck.
The program is legal... trust us. Pay no attention to that guy over there wiping his ass with the Constitution.
Sounds like an unreasonable search and seizure, a clear violation of our collective 4th amendment rights.
Bullshit-they are lying-snowden uncovers corruption, hidden under the guise of "National Security" NO ATTACKS WERE PREVENTED-we are not in danger-such fucking LIARS! How do i know? Because when they do intercept a plot it is trumpeted throughout the land;
No these people have things that they want kept secret from the American taxpayer-and the label "National Sekurity" is the perfect thing to hide behind
Snowden and Assage are good men-certainly better than the slime trying to prosecute them
i hope we have more leakers of bigger things that are illegal, corrupt or just plain sleazy
we need a new Paul Revere or 10
The evidence to convict those who have taken part in the attempt to overthrow govts is within this data.
we need a Sam Adams and rich John Hancock. Just find someone with zeal and a rich operation "Kyle Bass" that might be interested in making a difference.
we need some community organizer on the right side of freedom. let me know where to show up, im in.
The US proposes, Putin disposes.
These calls for impeachment sound weird to those not of the US.. My thinking goes, you pissed off guy so bad there is no way youll be loving me. You have a methodist going somebody lying.. ok really? Lets examine --- ok I wont but really? Come on!
Its very.. so very.. Like can this muppet filled universe find reason? Im so very upset knowing there isnt reason.. Just force.
Dude!... Your Google translate needs some tweaking...
It was only a matter of time.
NSA better be checking all the emails that he has intercepted in the last year. Imagine all the damage when he releases proof.
Just a minute, hello, yes this is Mike Rogers speaking……damn it Ed, who gave you this number?
College. Thats where you have to learn Marxist dogma to graduate.
29 making $122k plus a year, those are serious fucking employment problems.
SNOWDEN reminds me a kid talking his book in College Freshman Philosophy class.
Idealism like existential democracy is a fine Libertarian Utopia...
But Snowden never brings the elephant of his dilemna into his complaint about spying...
Bombers brings bombs to a neighborhood near you. Or an airplane. Or a public space.
Boston Bombers, Times Square Bomber, Underwear Bomber, Shoe Bomber. Duh!
Snowden ignores the real threat whose ONLY defense is SPYING.
You're a Neocon, right?
Wrong board dude.
the spies were already told exactly who was going to do what for Boston, and for 9/11, WHEN.
They did nothing.
The spying does nothing good for anyone. They will refuse to take action on the direct evidence of terrorism in advance. Refuse.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-06-13/top-national-security-experts-spying-program-doesn%E2%80%99t-make-us-safer-and-spying
Story already reported here, douche-wad.
Sam Adams and John Hancock were hated by King George as well.
Snowden may be something of a rebel with a cause in the making along with ZH.
Time to come together and start doing. Less talk, more action.
Talk leads to poverty, action leads to results. So many commenters here have great skills, let's find a way to put them all together, and for good use.
Instead ZH, I would ask that you start posting information that is actionable, or start aggregating people and information resources where people can talk less and do more.
People who think this oversexed twink of a Bond wannabe "risked his life" are to applauded for their hyperbole. However, this is nothing of the sort. Thomas Drake and Mark Klein are living nicely despite their sins against NSA. Drake is actually "allowed" to even touch computers. Bill Binney, John Berry and Adrienne Kinne are alive and well, living just fine by most all standards. Kinne even continues her subversive bullshit without anyone stopping her to this day.
So why would Mr. Snowden feel his life is in danger when there is no precedent for fear? As an agent of the Communist government who was called home and had to flee a hostile country when he was found out? Or was he merely an agent of internal squabbles? Why is he so fearful unless he is knee deep in an "international incident"?
Again, there is NO PRECEDENT for this ego monster to be fearful. None. Unless he is too much of a Matt Damon fanboi, of course, and believes it's all just like the movies.
"Takes one to know one".... Bitchez
FREE BRADLEY MANNING
How 'bout six in the body and one in the back of the head? They have been practicing you know.
I wish Americans were smart enough to vote these jackwads out of office. Between the republithugs and the democrooks, I'm quite disgusted with my country. One party sucks and the other one blows, perfect for each other.
I feel so much better knowing the NSA is hireing high-school dropouts who have had a whole series of both academic troubles and employment troubles.
The people saying he's uneducated control the record systems that hold our grades. I'm pretty sure the operators routinely trash people's grades to discredit & blackball them under orders and also for petty revenge. Its not something we scrutinize afterward without significant motivation and effort.
"Privacy isn't as private .... like it used to be !" .... Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Retarded Petard World Tour
Perfect!... No Problem!...
If Snowden is a liar, then he isn't guilty of saying or revealing anything illegal(ly).
Now the Obama administration can recant all the things they said about how Snowden has jeapordized the security of this country, because, obviously, he was lying...
Everybody's happy!... Everybody wins!... Now then, who's on Dancing With the Stars tonight?...
(sarc... just in case)
this story of theirs would have worked better if they silenced Binney BEFORE (and after) the leak. It's too late. We all know
Oxymoron of the Day:
House Intelligence Committeewe iz ahl compleetleh konvinced
I just have to give my two cents which are my negative nickel
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2013/06/nsa-and-total-awareness-syndrome.html
no more high school dropouts listed on the exchange
the problem is he never went to college, the man never got a chance to progam him
Snowden didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know is possible. And if it's possible for the government to do it, then the probability is that they are doing it.
We are on to the next act of this drama: the government is putting out disinformation to discredit Snowden. O'Reilly is starting to push it.
Snowden threw his life away for nothing. The continual expansion of US government spying of US citizens will not be stopped; it will continue to expand, as it has been methodically expanding through multiple administrations of both parties. We are crossing the threshold into a police state.
Get used to it. It will get much worse. We are living in the end stage of a civilization.
I think this is where Snowden is brilliant. I wondered why he only released 5 of 41 slides. I think we're starting to see the answer to that question. He's giving the NSA brass and the politicians time and enough rope to hang themselves. They're now saying things that will be impossible to unwind if it turns out the remaining slides contain proof to the contrary.
I SO hope that's what's happening... and if it is, I hope he's able to get them published before he ends up being "disappeared".
Have you listened to Snowden? The man is coherent to a fault. He may be a drop out but his demeanor is a genius. His plan is also pretty darn good or he would have been dead before he opened his mouth.
Oh, and I really believe congress people.
""We have laws in the United States for whistleblowers, for people that think there's an injustice being done. All he had to do was raise his hand. … Under the whistleblower law, he is protected."
First of all, that "protection" claim is BS. Second, the only people who would have been cleared for the classified info would be those within the program or who knew of the program, like some in Congress. And those in Congress who did and do know of this who publicly claimed that Obama was taking excessive liberties in his interpretation of the law should have been the whistleblowers, right? If whistleblowers are so protected, why didn't they blow the whistle?