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Russian MP Accuses U.S. Of Fabricating Syrian Chemical Weapons Report

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Following yesterday's "news" that the US is rerunning the Iraq invasion script has been busy collecting made up solid evidence proving the Syrian government has used chemical weapons, which it would use as a basis for yet another foreign intervention including a no-fly zone and arming the Syrian rebels (just to accelerate the passage of a Qatari natgas pipeline into Europe, bypassing Gazprom, and installing another puppet Muslim Brotherhood government in the Mid-East), the entire world waited with bated breath to learn what Russia's response, and remember to Russia Syria is a key geopolitical outpost and critical national interest, to US allegations would be.

The wait was short-lived. As Novosti reports at least someone, somewhere has had the guts to call out this farce of an intervention from an official standpoint:  "A US government report concluding Syria has used chemical weapons against rebels, crossing what US President Barack Obama has previously described as a “red line,” is a fabrication, a senior Russian lawmaker said Friday. "Information about the usage of chemical weapons by Assad is fabricated in the same way as the lie about Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.” Alexei Pushkov, head of the Russian lower house of parliament’s international affairs committee, said on Twitter.

The truth-telling continues:

President Obama “is going the same way” as former President George W. Bush did then, Pushkov said.

Pushkov is known for also being quite a truth-teller in the past. From June of 2012:

I think that what we had been hearing from the US is very partial. Somehow the US thinks that the only source of civil war in Syria is the government, which is not the case. There are 33 thousand people who are fighting the Syrian government, and they’re fighting the Syrian government with heavy weapons, not just Kalashnikovs and pistols. It’s heavy machine guns, it’s anti-tank guns and all of this armament was on display when a ship coming from Libya full of US weapons was arrested in Lebanon. On the photos you can see what kind of armament was sent to the insurgents. It’s Syrian force which has been trained outside of Syria. Some of them are really professional fighters. There’s some information about people who have been fighting in Libya, now are fighting on the side of the insurgents. I think that the US had better look at what kind of people they try to support there and what these people will bring to Damascus. Until now Syria was a secular country where different ethnicities and different religious factions were living in peace and for many years, - that’s very valuable. You have Christians, Sunnis, Alawis, Druze, Kurds and quite a few other groups. And if all of this explodes, I don’t think that we’ll have 10 thousand victims, we’ll have maybe 100 thousand victims. Russia wants to prevent this explosion. What we hear from our Western partners is that Assad should go and they are willing to support the insurgency. But supporting the insurgency, they are basically throwing oil into the flame. That is why Russia suggested having international conference where we can try to find the solution that would be proposed to both sides in the Syrian conflict. The key Russian position is that we are ready to influence Assad’s government, but the West should influence the insurgents. Otherwise it will not work out.


Do you think that the Western media was unfairly portraying Russia?


I think one of the reasons the West has been so critical about Russia in the Syrian issue is that the West doesn’t have the policy at all towards Syria. I’m not pretending that Russia has the answers, but Russia fulfills a very important role for the Western media. By this could not criticize their own governments for not having any kind of solutions. Because the only political program the West has is that Assad should go. OK, what happens after Assad goes? How the regime falls? Who will come in its place?


Is Russia prepared for that situation?


Russia is ready to look for answers together with Western countries. And we don’t accept this kind of criticism. And we don’t accept this kind of mythology that insurgents are poor foreign people. Because we know very well that they have been financed and armed by monarchies of the Persian Gulf. They don’t even hide this fact and I hardly see a situation where democracy in Syria will be established with the help of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.


And finally there have been some accusation that Russian foreign policy towards Syria is driven by its business interests. How do you respond to that?


I think that the most important thing is not business. Syria doesn’t play such a huge role in Russian foreign trade. The key factor in the Russian position is a very clear stand against the so-called regime change, against the so-called humanitarian intervention. We think that the Libyan example showed that these kinds of interventions lead to chaos and to the creation of a parallel international law: when you have a UN charter and at the same time you have some kind of parallel law which is being conducted by either friends of Syria or the Coalition of the Willing, something which goes around the UN rules or charters. We don’t want to accept a world where there would be another international law instead of internationally accepted one. Syria is just a very serious example of the Russian desire to fight for international law which is universally accepted.

Ah, the new normal: when Russia is telling the truth, and the USSA is openly lying.

Things will get more interesting when instead of using a proxy to tell the world how he feels, Putin actually takes the microphone in one of his signature brutally candid exposes. Also being former KGB, who knows just what revelations he may bring to the table regarding claims of prior "humanitarian" US interventions around the world, liberating so much crude oil from the heathen natives.

Things will get most interesting when the Russian armada currently stationed in Cyprus and swimming around in the Mediterranean, decides to park in the Russian naval base in Tartus. Because last we checked it was a no-fly zone, not a no-sail zone...


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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:53 | 3657571 They trynna cat...
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The US didn't fabricate it.

Assad used the chemical weapons that he seized from the rebels right back at them. Ya know, the ones the US gave them to begin with.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:02 | 3657586 i-dog
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Looks like the Russian intelligence services are far more accurate than those of the US.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:18 | 3657617 lakecity55
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Because the Russians use their spies on their enemies, unlike the Americans?


NSA= Nothing but Surveillance of Americans

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:24 | 3657641 Manthong
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Oh, fudge..

Hmm.. that sentiment sums up the situation (many levels if you understand)..

This, too.. GTF out of there.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:43 | 3657680 Stackers
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I'm surprised there wasnt a torpedo boat attack using WMD's that sunk a US navy ship at anchor in a harbor.....

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:05 | 3657740 BobPaulson
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Or a big fire in the Syrian government building set by a communist Russian jew.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:28 | 3657751 lakecity55
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When will the staged fire happen at the Capitol Building?


You know Amerika is Doomed when the #1 enemy of America is Americans.

Carry on, NSA, thanks for betraying your countrymen.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:52 | 3657884 Chupacabra-322
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Good article and very timely. There is something really wrong here. Al-CIA-duh has been totally exposed as nothing more than a useful terrorist operation for the US, Wesernt and Middle East partners including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel (major Zio operation), along with NATO partners France and UK. Recently, the rest of the EU made the decision to pull their troops out because of the madness and pointlessness of this major massacre and senseless aggression against. The Russians have been isupplying materials to give the Syrian Army a chance to fight back and they have made very significant strides in the last month. Iran has also been supplying Syria. It has made a difference and the Syrian Army is turning the corner and securing the country. The most important is the very recent delivery of the S-300 very powerful and complex, mobile surface-to-air missiles.

There have been massive protests in Turkey that are due in significant part to the anger of tens of thousands of people all over Turkey at the aggression the Turkish government has used toward Syria. There has also been massive mistreatment of the Syrian refugees by the Turks. There are millions of Syrian refugees stretched over thousands of miles in real trouble.

In the midst of all of this, thousands and thousands dead. Cities destroyed. A massive refugee crisis in the millions, Obama decides to push the game on Syria.

He is going to come head to head with the Russians who have their strategic interests to protect in the port or Tartus and elsewhere in Syria. OBAMA IS A SINISTER AND EVIL DOG. The suffering of the Syrian people and the ethnic minorities has been going on for two plus years. It has happened as a result of the invasion of Syria by paid mercenaries such as Jabhat Al-Nusra. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THE MASSIVE SUFFERING AND DEATH OF THE SYRIAN PEOPLE AND THE MAJOR HUMANITARIAN CRISIS. I am certain that Russia is outraged. Putin is likely taking countermeasures right now. Foreign Minister Lavrov is doing his best to try to negotiate. Turkey is in the throes of a domestic uproar. Iran will do its part to support Syria.

OBAMA IS CREATING AN INTERNATIONAL INCIDENT THAT COULD LEAD TO A WORLD WAR possibly to get the idiot dinosaur media off the implosion of his failed Administration. Think of Syria as the lie about getting Bin Laden to turn peoples' minds off from the escalating issue of his fake Birth Certificates. He is exposing himself and is a war psychopath. Congress should never approve of the fake lies he has put forth for intervention in war torn Syria. Billions have been expended by foreign interests to seize Syria and so far failed. These people are sick and being lead by a sick-minded President named Obama.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:20 | 3657966 WonderDawg
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I've read your posts over the years Chupa and you seem to be very well informed, which is why I'm surprised that you seem to think Obama is making any of these decisions. He's a fucking community organizer for cryin out loud, he doesn't make big decisions, he's just the public face. The people with wealth and power make the decisions (the banking cabal). Obama is a puppet. To pretend that he actually makes these kinds of decisions perpetuates the false illusion that he is in charge.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:29 | 3657984 kliguy38
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He is taking orders just as all Presidents over the past several decades have. He is much more than a "community organizer" so you may want to do some research into Obma/CIA backround. Chup is correct but doesn't recognize the true power

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:35 | 3657997 WonderDawg
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My point was simply that the people with the true power aren't going to trust a simple-minded politician to make any big decisions that might affect their standing. As you said, he takes orders, he doesn't give them, just as the other presidents over the last many decades have done. If you aren't willing to "play ball", you just don't get installed in the oval office.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:10 | 3658102 Ignatius
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You get uninstalled like JFK.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:45 | 3658205 Cyrano de Bivouac
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JFK was the last non puppet president. Eisenhower was ok, at least he didn't let USA get involved during the Suez crisis and warned against the military industrial complex.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:02 | 3658247 i-dog
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JFK was installed as a puppet, then turned on 'them' ... which, according to 'their' rules, always results in "elimination".

Eisenhower was just as treasonous as FDR in his support of the luciferian agenda. Then he set Kennedy up with a Luciferian handler, who even wrote the famous "Ask not what your country can do for you...." speech which Kennedy read at his inauguration (those were not Kennedy's words...they were a "Welcome to the NWO" script that Kennedy probably only realised after the event, and thought he had enough popular adoration to be able to turn on 'them' with impunity. Bzzzzt...wrong).

American history is nothing like what you learned in school....

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:19 | 3658359 Cyrano de Bivouac
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Has there ever been a perfect leader anywhere? I was just saying Ike and JFK were better than the ones that followed.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:38 | 3658004 i-dog
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+1 to both of you. Chupa makes some great points, then loses it by falling for the puppet show.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:21 | 3657968 boogerbently
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Over 50,000 Kurds were gassed prompting the first Iraq war, but the sheep still believe no "WMD" were ever found.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:12 | 3658113 RallyRoundTheFamily
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Wow where did you hear this BULLSHIT?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:53 | 3658226's picture

So all the weapons inspectors needed to find WMD in Iraq in 2003 was a time machine? Brilliant!


Also note that the article to which you link states: "The provision of chemical precursors from United States companies to Iraq was enabled by a Ronald Reagan Administration policy that removed Iraq from the State Department's list of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Leaked portions of Iraq's "Full, Final and Complete" disclosure of the sources for its weapons programs shows that thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture mustard gas, was among the chemical precursors provided to Iraq from US companies such as Alcolac International and Phillips."

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:47 | 3658518 phyuckyiu
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I love how someone uses an event from 1988 to justify an invasion in 2004 with a straight face. Fucking Pathetic. Are you our new Hasbara Troll of the month?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:36 | 3658759 boogerbently
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Gas: 1988

1st Iraq war: 1990

I guess some people (possibly you) assumed Iraq couldn't/wouldn't do it again ?

Or is your contempt of govt so strong it allows the intentional omission of facts. Data mining. Selective memory.

Like Michael Moore.

Or, even more likely, you weren't alive, yet, in 1990.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:32 | 3659474's picture

Why don't you have contempt for a government which supported Saddam and gave him weapons and is currently arming Al Queda? Is your love for terrorism and dictatorship so strong that you don't care about the fallout that effects your fellow Americans? That's if you even are an American. Sprechen Sie Taliban?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 00:17 | 3660309 phyuckyiu
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Oh funny, his point was about the first Iraq invasion, which was even more pathetic. So lets see, fake incubator story, we actually supported Iraq and Iran at the same time, so not sure how he gets to claim moral high ground in the first Iraq war. But yes Saddam gassed some Kurds. Last I checked North Korea was pretty mean too and killed a whole shit ton of people. Why aren't we invading them and everyone else with a shitty moral compass, since that is his criteria. Weaksauce. But yeah I was too busy going to college to see how truly hypocritical we were during that war, it took a few more years. I look forward to his justifications for the Syrian war coming up, and all the WMD we are going to find.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:00 | 3658260 Matt
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During the Iran-Iraq War, not Desert Fox or whatever the hell it was called. Definitely not when Hans Blix was looking for them.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:09 | 3658097 Paveway IV
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Two sad things that caught my attention in the article:

- 33,000 Syrian 'freedom fighters' or whatever. Anyone would have to be blind, deaf and dumb by now to ignore the fact that a good percentage of them have little intrest in Syrian's freedom. They just want to be there when the walls fall to grab power for their own ends. So how many authentic, Syrian 'freedomfighters' are there? 20,000? 10,000? Sorry, but that does not sound like some kind of mandate from the majority of Syrian people that taking down Assad is worth their homes, lives and whatever sense of security they have now. Do most Syrians like Assad? Probably not, but that does not imply the majority think he's SO bad right this minute that they're willing to die to remove him -or- we're willing to have our familes live in the dirt like rats on the edge of Turkey, killing each other for food. So the U.S. is willing to start a nuclear war to bully every last Syrian to 'obey' the will of the 10- or 15-thousand rebels? That's not democracy. In fact, it sounds more and more like the way they're running the U.S.

- No plan for what happens after Assad. At least no rational plan that will result in a legitimate govenment for the benefit of the Syrians left alive. Judging by the U.S. track record, it will be a butt-kissing U.S.-friendly, corporate-friendly government that simultaneously milks billions from U.S. taxpayers while making life as miserable as possible for it's own citizens. Like Afghanistan, peons will end up with balloons, music and an intense contempt and hatred for the new puppet government rammed down their throats. The U.S. will - wittingly or not - enable the eventual Wahabi-like takeover of Syria. Separation of church and state - so important to the U.S. - will be permanently denied to the Syrian people. After the imposition of Sharia law, they're even going to lose the balloons and music. And they'll want to wipe Israel off the map, meaning another good decade or two of arms sales for eveyone. Perma-enemies are job creators!

Another sad example of the president and congress giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Don't they have some kind of name for that?


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:28 | 3658721 kchrisc
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Good info, thanks.

Two things:

1) Obama IS CIA. Go and check into it.

2) Regardless, he is just taking orders.

 He's still a scumbag piece of shit, though.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:05 | 3659081 thestarl
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Also hezbollah are in there, real hardcore motherfuckers.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:30 | 3658733 g'kar
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"Carry on, NSA, thanks for betraying your countrymen."


but..but....I was just following orders.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:46 | 3658207 Think for yourself
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Sorry, but WMD is not the word you're looking for. That's military ordnance, and the name stays so even when it's dropped on terrorist kids planning their attack in a sandbox or when veteran terrorist elders get targeted as they lie low in hospitals.

A WMD is when somebody allegedly puts match heads in a pressure cooker, or when a kid bites off the outline of a gun on his school lunch's toats.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:29 | 3657700 SilverRhino
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Agreed. Now I would love for Russia to elaborate on the May 4th nuclear strike in Syria by the Israelis.


This is NOT a conventional explosion.  Two videos, different angles.  May 4th attack.


And to the downcheck bitch : Fuck you you cum guzzling rat fuck zionist cocksucker.  

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:11 | 3658110 Acet
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It's a Fuel Air bomb.

The explosion spreads like fuel/gas being ignited, not superheated from a central point.

Also from that distance the camera would've been blasted away if it was a nuke.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:27 | 3658136 SilverRhino
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Gotta disagree with you.   Camera's at 3.8 km from the scene and the flash goes across the entire field of view in literally one camera frame.   Look at 0:21 closely.

A fuel air bomb would take some time (less than a second but more than a frame) to ignite / flash across that much cloud / distance since a thermobaric weapon is a deflagration (subsonic burn) versus a supersonic detonation. 

And they make small nukes (like 1 kt)  : That was ~15 kilotons.  

A W54 (10-250t yield) / W72 (600t yield) type warhead  (suitcase nuke sized) would do that damage.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:21 | 3658288 Matt
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I count less than 3 seconds from flash to thunder. There is no super-sonic shockwave in the smoke rising off the burning hillside. The camera is 3800 feet away from the flash, not 3.8 Km. First video, first explosion. The big fireball later takes longer for some reason. Do no trust the time counter on Youtube, it is known to be inaccurate. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 17:19 | 3669432 SilverRhino
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Looks like you were right after further review / analysis.   

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:04 | 3657587 chubbar
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I doubt that. Assad is winning the war against the rebels and I don't think he needed to jeopardize that by using sarin and giving up the moral high ground (what little there is). The rebels were found to have used the sarin only a few short weeks ago, what happened to that intelligence? This is so clearly another fucking attempt by the US and Israel to manufacture reasons to start a war and take out Assad that I'm a bit surprised they are even attempting it.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:21 | 3657627 Sean7k
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Ther Zionists from Russia are complaining to the zionists of America and Israel about a civil war they have promoted and funded? And we are supposed to care? 

The only reasonable position is to convince your sons and daughters in the armed services to JUST SAY NO to the further destruction brought on by zionist manipulation. 

People really need to educate themselves...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:32 | 3657652 Manthong
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.. but only after your sons and daughters have sex with each other.

..liberal military.. it's a fun thing.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:46 | 3657688 shovelhead
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Where do the eskimo zionists stand about Syria?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:24 | 3657795 Sudden Debt
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They're mixed up in their own all out war between the North and South Pole.

The South wants to be the magnetic north and the North wants to move magnetic north more south...

better watch out for those eskimo's...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:52 | 3657703 13thWarrior
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Russia is ex-Zionist. Now an Orthodox Christian.

Better term would be Gog vs. Magog.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:11 | 3657761 Sean7k
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People really need to educate themselves. You use biblical examples in the face of name recognition within leadership? 

As a public service announcement to all you christians out there: Read Deuteronomy and Numbers from the perspective that the Judahites have taught for thousands of years: all people are to be their slaves in the new world given them by an all consuming god that DESTROYS ALL of their enemies (that means you!). The Arabs know this and have known it for this whole time. That is the reason for their inflexibility on the issue.

Simple test: does a country have a central bank? Then the zionists run it.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:25 | 3657799 john39
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it is simply too much for most so called Christians to come to realize that the "old testament" describes more than one diety...  one with taste for blood, death, genocide and racism...  wonder which one most othe world, especially the zionist run world, is following?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:21 | 3657631 the not so migh...
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they are desperate.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:22 | 3657633 pods
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Those test results, if they are real, could literally be blowback.

On the bright side, at least if using banned weapons is the trigger to get us to go to war, we will be bombing Israel soon.

White phosphorus anyone?


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:44 | 3657681 Rip van Wrinkle
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The question to ask is; Who's going to stop them?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:06 | 3657741 lakecity55
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Better yet, who will the lone man be who stands in front of the line of dhs tanks when they roll onto the Mall?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:58 | 3658152 Paveway IV
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The guy that wants to be first in line for the new iPhone?

"...they can take away our lives, but they can never take away our iPhones..."

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:51 | 3657881 whirling tword ...
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I think the timing is curious at best.....

Supposedly, we already knew this but, we chose NOW to do something about it?!?!?  The U.N. has said that they were NOT using chemical weapons against the rebels.

I personally think the administration is trying to divert attention from the scandals to save political hide.

And, afterall, I'm sure they'll love us so much more after we get in there and kill a few more hundred thousand of them.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:23 | 3657636 dcohen
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Go do your Hasbara propaganda somewhere else, people are way too smart for your kind here.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:40 | 3657673 tmosley
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Even if that were true (I would believe the latter part), it doesn't really matter.  The US has ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY.  They have been able to avoid many of the consequences of their actions for decades, and now those chickens are coming home to roost.

It's like the last days of the USSR.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:54 | 3657708 omi
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Damn it, someone has grabbed already

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:13 | 3657768 Bangin7GramRocks
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My new plan: act like a typical American mullethead by waving a flag and chanting USA USA USA until I forget that my country is about to overthrow yet another sovereign nation. The fact that we are aiding our new friends Al Queda and are led by a Nobel Peace Prize winner only adds to the insanity. USA USA USA USA..............

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:18 | 3657781 sodbuster
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Don't you mean, USSA, USSA, USSA................

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:25 | 3657975 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Don't you mean, USSA, USSA, USSA................

Might as well put it to music:

Keep on rockin' the unfree world...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:27 | 3657804 noless
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But i thought that we'd always been at war with east Asia...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:14 | 3657769 LawsofPhysics
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Correct.  The rebels used chemical weapons from an "unknown" source first.  This is all old news.  Sad that the government "intelligence" agencies are slower than a drug store tabloid (this is by design folks).  Now everyone be good sheep and don't question authority.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:15 | 3657952 Jdog
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Obama didn't care about the 95,000 killed by bullets and bombs, but concern about the 150 killed by gas? hahaha liar liar pants on fire! this scumbag gots to go!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:57 | 3657574 Sudden Debt
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Some student will cause about 1 million death people in Syria because of some twitter post about chemical weapons.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:18 | 3657782 Wile-E-Coyote
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There not having my sons................fuck em.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:40 | 3657849 TahoeBilly2012
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"Let's have a war....jack up the DOW Jones..."

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:21 | 3657577 lakecity55
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And yet, the leader of a certain small country unlike the other countries around there persuaded Putin to hold off on the S 300 because he may lose a few planes.


So, does Russia bow also to this small country created in 1948???

Is Vladimir a puppet, like a certain US pResident, of these vermin?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:57 | 3657578 doomandbloom
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But US cant tell you how they know.....they just know....cos they are watching...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:59 | 3657580 topspinslicer
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Them there's fighten words -- nice big economic stimulus and the flexability the obomba was offering up

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:01 | 3657585 bnbdnb
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Your government lied to you about 9/11, Iraq WMD and the war on terror.

You believe them now though don't you? ...Because Obama is black.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:18 | 3657622 g'kar
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Correct, except Obama is a mulatto and he learned to lie from Bush who is his 11th cousin.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:34 | 3657664 SheepDog-One
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Humans have been lying and starting wars for thousands of years, Bush didn't start that.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:01 | 3657918 john39
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most US presidents appear to be related to the British 'royalty' (scum)...  who claim to be descended from the 'house of david'...   this is public record (that they are related and believe they are special blood).   whether or not there is any truth to these beliefs isn't really important i think... the fact that they believe it, and believe it provides them justification to treat the rest of us as disposable chattel, is all that really matters....  i, on the other hand, think that it is high time to take out the garbage.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:27 | 3657980 imaginalis
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More like the house of fritz

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:51 | 3657701 shovelhead
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Dat be rayciss.

It was the skeet shooting that makes him believeable for me.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:26 | 3658147 machineh
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'Skeeter bit me, mommy' -- Skeeter Obama

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:16 | 3657776 BobPaulson
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You're making me think of Colin Powell presenting those ridiculous power point graphics of pretend Iraqi/Boogeyman mobile nerve gas factories/missile launchers/uranium centrifuges/white baby slave camps/ yadda yadda.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:08 | 3657588 Catullus
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Here's hoping Assad wipes out the al qaeda rebels in Alleppo.  You're either with us or errr yur uh...

Full retard.

And now Bill Clinton is involved:

"If you refuse to act and you cause a calamity, the one thing you cannot say when all the eggs have been broken is, ‘Oh my god, two years ago there was a poll that said 80 percent of you were against it.’ You look like a total fool," Clinton said. (DB)

"Some people say, ‘Okay, see what a big mess it is? Stay out!’ I think that’s a big mistake. I agree with you about this," Clinton told McCain. "Sometimes it’s just best to get caught trying, as long as you don’t overcommit — like, as long as you don’t make an improvident commitment." (P)

It's where the neo-lib meets neo-con.

American liberalism is totally dead.

"McCain, of course, has been one of Obama's harshest critics on Syria. The Arizona Republican recently took a trip to the war-torn nation to meet with moderate rebel commanders, and has only ramped up his criticism since then."

The same moderate rebel commanders that had to deny they've been kidnapping shi'ites and murdering them.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:23 | 3657635 GetZeeGold
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"McCain, of course, has been one of Obama's harshest critics on Syria.


Which is really weird cause they're both progressives.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:30 | 3657653 g'kar
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Only a slight difference, one is a left wing progressive the other is a right wing progressive. McLame is just schoolin Ali Bama.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:46 | 3657690 Jim B
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McCain is complete war monger! Is there anywhere he doesn't want to intervene?

The old fart is on one hell of a power trip!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:35 | 3658172 Paveway IV
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Repressed guilt for squealing under torture by North Vietnam and making statements against the U.S.

I think there's something on PRISM...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:15 | 3657773 LawsofPhysics
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Actually McCain just changed his tune (surprise surprise).

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:05 | 3657589 EastCoast90
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Here comes WW3, I wonder if the bunkers from the 50's Red Scare are still any good.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:29 | 3657813 BobPaulson
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I doubt that. WWIII is when China switches to a Gold standard, reveals their physical holdings and confiscates holdings of US companies in their sphere of control. To be ready for that there has to be some serious weakening of South Korea and Tiawan and some kind of alignment of ASEAN with the PRC, and of course a huge buildup of the Chinese navy. Japan is already toast, so that's one major US ally in the area out of the way. I'm guessing the fighting starts in 10-20 years.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:54 | 3657895 EastCoast90
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China moving to a gold standard is certain but I wouldn't doubt a world war scenario given the state of things on the geo-political front.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:06 | 3657592 RSloane
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You would think Americans learned from the last debacle after they were oh so sure there were WMD's in Iraq.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:30 | 3657814 johnQpublic
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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:07 | 3657593 Psquared
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Horse hockey. Syria is the only ally Russia has left in the Middle East. They have every motivation to try and keep Assad in power and take a stand against the west. I'm not saying the US is telling the truth - just that Russia isn't either.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:10 | 3657602 azzhatter
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I just assume they are all lying

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:16 | 3657616 the not so migh...
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They are both lying, but the US supporting Al quidia now nullifies any arguemnts DC wants to make.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:28 | 3657647 negative rates
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They didn't just show up in Syria, they have been there for quite a long time.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:41 | 3657853 Catullus
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The Cold War ended 24 years ago

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 19:44 | 3659811 MeelionDollerBogus
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PRETTY sure that Iran is still there and also an ally.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:08 | 3657594 Al Gorerhythm
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No shit, Sherlock?!!!!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:08 | 3657595 lasvegaspersona
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With absolutely no data I  have to assume this claim is like the last one...false. How embarrasing for my country...the USA is looking like a bunch of morons. Propaganda for news, spies everywhere and politicans who sound like Poliburo members from the 50s.

The execution of the 14 yo boy was a nice touch by our future allies.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:29 | 3657650 WAMO556
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A female Qatari reporter working for Al Jazeera was raped by one if the field ommanders in Alleppo.
Link below.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:31 | 3657656 the not so migh...
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thats they way Al-quida rolls, our allies, disgusting

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:08 | 3658242 Paveway IV
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Why would the U.S. object to that?


  • A U.S. Bureau of Diplomatic Security (part of the State Department) senior officer reportedly raped Lebanese embassy guards
  • The U.S. Ambassador to Brussels, Howard Gutman, enjoys shopping in Brussel's underage prostitute parks 

Both still doing what the do because the investigations were shut down by Hillary & Co. because it might demoralize deparment staff. Those are only the ones we know about so far from a soon-to-be deceased State Department whistleblower Aurelia Fedenisn. 

Apparently PRISM missed the rape and child sex 'chatter' because no terrorists were involved.

Yeah, I know... the NYPost is hardly an authoritative source. I'm sure the Times and WaPo will be all over this. Or not.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:11 | 3657598 JustObserving
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Everyone knows that Obama is lying.  What do you expect from a Nobel Prize winner?

Pretext for a new war: Obama lies about Syrian chemical weapons

In a statement issued Thursday, the Obama administration has declared that the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad has violated “international norms” by using chemical weapons on multiple occasions over the past year. The claim is a transparent lie that will be used by the US and its European allies, Britain and France, as the pretext for arming their right-wing Islamist proxies and for military intervention.

The allegations are no more credible than the lies about weapons of mass destruction that were used to justify the criminal US-led invasion of Iraq. The statement by Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes claimed that US intelligence agencies had “high confidence” in their assessment, but acknowledged that physiological evidence of sarin gas exposure did “not tell us how or where the individuals were exposed or who was responsible.”

The US claims simply ignored evidence that anti-Assad militias had chemical weapons and may have used them. Late last month, the Turkish press reported that the Al Qaeda-linked Al Nusra Front, which forms the military backbone of the anti-Assad forces, had obtained chemical weapons and was planning to use them (see: “Syrian opposition fighters arrested with chemical weapons”). The Syrian “rebels”, which have been pressing for Western military assistance, have far more to gain than the Assad regime by staging small-scale chemical weapons attacks.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:26 | 3657645 Oldwood
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Do they have a Nobel prize for lying? That would be a far better contest than Dancing With the Stars! Think of the possibilities.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:09 | 3657599 Zgangsta
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How big will the Coalition of the Willing be this time around?  USA and Israel?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:13 | 3657608 timbo_em
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France will lead the way. Hollande desperately needs some other battleground besides the declining French economy.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:36 | 3658443 Matt
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I thought France was pretty busy in the Maghreb, or has that area suddenly become peaceful?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:09 | 3657601 Iocosus
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A Russian is preaching to the world choir.

The US is being influenced by a hand above itself.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:12 | 3657603 Bosch
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The problem with Team Syrian Nazi squarring off against Team Syrian Al Qaeda is what exactly?  


The US should be on Team Sideline Get Your Popcorn Ready. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:15 | 3657613 Zwelgje
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I got news for you dickhead: You are Team Al Qaeda.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:19 | 3657625 g'kar
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yep, you are who you support

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:23 | 3657634 insanelysane
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Bosch has the right idea.  There is more money to be made selling to both sides.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:54 | 3657689 ToNYC
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Universal Law: to make more "Sides" to sell to,  you Divide by Lies. There is  more chemical warfare self-inflicted by side-effects of pain "removers" and fake food every week than sarin has effected in a decade.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 19:38 | 3659802 MeelionDollerBogus
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FUNDING team al-qaeda against your will isn't the same as being ON that team.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:12 | 3657604 Taint Boil
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Go figure .......

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:13 | 3657606 Rockfish
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This is about giving McCain and Graham what they want. Horse trading on a global scale.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:14 | 3657610 the not so migh...
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Give em hell Russkie

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:13 | 3657612 lakecity55
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I might as well use this space to say


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:16 | 3657614 insanelysane
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I'm sure some American is working on a yoo tube video that will escalate things.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:18 | 3657620 desirdavenir
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Re Iraq, at least we (french) were on the good side (note that what was revealed later in the US on phony uranium shipments were in print in France in the end of 2002). Now it feels that we are together with the bad guys, no better than some Blair...

Btw, there's an interesting read (I don't know if it was posted here:

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:18 | 3657621 pods
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Well the US propaganda machine (media) is on a full court press for this.  Even local radio has on some "international expert" about the middle east.  

Of course these are smart people who explain to the little folk why we must kill some more brown people who won't play ball.

Oh, and this will get all our dirty laundry hidden once again so we can speak about freedom and democracy.

What a clown circus this has become.

I hope the propaganda pimps OD on ambien trying to sleep at night.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:51 | 3657698 cherry picker
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If the American military and people fall for this ruse again, it will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

If a citizen cannot trust his or her own government, what good is the government?

The "system" isn't broken, its just that no one is following the rules and no one is enforcing them.  We need enforcement in Washington and Wall Street and over the Intelligence agencies more than we need them on main street.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:42 | 3658483 Joe Sixpack
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"If a citizen cannot trust his or her own government, what good is the government?"




If a citizen cannot trust his or her own government, then all is rightly ordered.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 19:35 | 3659800 MeelionDollerBogus
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WISH IT not to be true. And get ready to taste the fuckin' rainbow.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:29 | 3657778 LawsofPhysics
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True enough pods, but jobless claims and bonds yield are going to limit how much can actually be done.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:36 | 3657834 pods
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I really hope that bond yields cut us off at the knees on this one.

Too many people are dying for this empire.

To use an analogy:

The US is like that big, tough, angry drunk in the bar and we are fast approaching the time where everyone is going to tell us to GTFO.

They already have been giving each other looks but I think the time is fast approaching when they form a united front and ask us to leave.

By ask us to leave, I mean the gazillion in FRNs that have been printed come roaring back stateside.


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:04 | 3657926 john39
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but wouldn't a war just about now drive a lot of money back into bonds?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:50 | 3658222 Anusocracy
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Washington, DC is the world's biggest clown car.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:18 | 3657623 Skin666
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Can they actually afford another war???

Printing money yes, but how long can they last before the sheeple ditch the toilet paper for real assets?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:26 | 3657644 Skin666
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"Inflation can be pursued only so long as the public still does not believe it will continue. Once the people generally realize that the inflation will be continued on and on and that the value of the monetary unit will decline more and more, then the fate of the money is sealed. Only the belief, that the inflation will come to a stop, maintains the value of the notes."

Ludwig Von Mises

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:20 | 3657626 eddiebe
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Lies, damn lies everywhere.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:37 | 3657668 StavropolJames
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Many commenters here have accused Russia of lying, too.  Can anyone give an example of a Russian lie regarding Syria?  I can't.

The truth is, America is lying and Russia isn't.    

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:21 | 3657629 Non Passaran
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It's a win win situation:
1. War: the military industrial complex wins
2. No war: the banking/real estate complex wins (see the news about the plan to import Syrian refugees)

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:50 | 3657876 Diet Coke and F...
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Bank always wins. Period.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:21 | 3657630 Iam Yue2
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All talk.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:25 | 3657637 Tucson Tom
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 huma abedin wispering in the clinton`s ear again.We need more Egypts and Libyas.Power to the "Brotherhood".As if Wounded Warriors doesn`t have enough on their plate.We never learn! Bastards

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:24 | 3657638 Oldwood
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Chaos is the fuel that feeds the growth of power in the elite. Many here hope for a grand "reset" that will level the field and possibly create some feeling of justice. This is what the elite are doing as well. Their grand reset will result from chaos, where the desparation of people for some form of order will allow them to dismantle what's left of our liberties for just the illusion of security. They have seen what people are willing to give up especially in War. Suspension of constitutional rights, being foremost. They will manipulate us into tying ourselves to the rack and tightening the ropes, only then finding ourselves begging for mercy from our saviours. The world is being backed into a corner. What can we do? They are closing down our routes of retreat. If we try to go off grid, we ultimately weaken ourselves to any ability to push back. Are we at the stand and fight point now, or is it already too late?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:31 | 3657818 LawsofPhysics
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Precisely why it is important to keep records of who these elite/bilderberg etc. fucks are, where they go and how to locate them.  As history shows very clearly, they won't change their arrogant thinking or behavior until some of their own start losing their heads. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:42 | 3658195 RallyRoundTheFamily
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Oldwood is fast becoming one of my ZH favorites, for whatever that is worth. TY OW

I remember there being talk for a ZH hand sign to use in the re-education camps, was that ever finalized?


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:24 | 3657639 lindaamick
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Look at the conditions in Iraq.  Look at the conditions in Libya. 

Removing Assad will do nothing other than create MORE chaos in the ME.

If the rebels (mostly mercenaries) were starved of money, perhaps diplomatic options could be investigated. 


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:25 | 3657642 ziggy59
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From Russia With Love

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:33 | 3657646 JimmyRainbow
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by studying click-behaviour on the net they know that only a small percentage looks at politics or is even trying to build up on ideas on the world.

so the decision to try old plans is not so hard: they know that noone really cares.qw


combine "wag the dog" with a third guy giving immediate feedback about lets say littler youtube sniplets

and after a while you have some kind of matrix like consciousnerss-bubble

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:37 | 3657996 Aurora Ex Machina
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You mean like this guy? You should read him/her a little more closely. (I apologise for the formatting of this post - something is stripping the code, tried reformatting it a couple of times but no dice, so the readability is a little wonky)


Interview with Ming Holden:

The technological age in which we live has also profoundly affected the centers or "nodes" of moral authority in our societies, which is no small thing when we look at the fact that responses to war and war crimes, international intervention and what it entails, are shaped by morals.  Groups like Anonymous and individuals like Snowden are nodes of moral authority because they have the means of acting on moral convictions in ways that affect governments and disrupt societal systems.  Their reasons for doing so are based on what they think is right.  Our bishops and presidents are not, in other words, the only ones deciding such convictions for us anymore.  Now you can, or I can, or a low-level CIA contractor can.
I've long been an ardent fan of Anne-Marie Slaughter and Ronan Farrow, who are both active on Twitter and who have both logged time working for the U.S. State Department at top levels (as special advisor and policy planning director, respectively).  I agree with what Dr. Slaughter has been saying for two years, which is that we need to act on Syria to address the war crimes, uphold our values, and maintain any kind of international standing; I also agree with what Mr. Farrow tweeted recently--that there's no clean solution to Syria, and the bedfellows required to try and end this violent mess of a massacre would come back to haunt us.  Syria has become a proxy war--which your own work elucidates by virtue of tracing weapons' origins, makes, and models to supplying countries--and as such, the humanity of refugees and casualties is lost because, to a worrying degree, they're not what's at stake to the leaders in big fancy positions in developed countries, because those leaders are using this conflict to arm wrestle with each other.  The humanity of people is denied when those people are used as surrogates for what is essentially an ideological conflict between leaders of nations with opposing economic and political frameworks.  Perhaps the worst idea of all in this whole thing is that powerful nations are willing to sacrifice untold numbers of people from countries far away in order to prove a point...because when that happens, it's not even a question of what makes someone a citizen anymore. It's what makes someone a person.  Proxy wars guarantee dehumanization, and it's horrifying to see the "great" leaders of "great" nations consciously participating in one, especially one as bloody as this.
I've largely ignored the Huffington Post since the owner ran off with the booty ($315 million off the backs of her unpaid content bloggers, parasite alert, I imagine she thinks of them as "dumb fucks" as well) so my question is simple: do they pay their contributors now, or are they paid by someone else? Not hard to follow the money, really.
Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:28 | 3657648 DavidC
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"...yet another foreign intervention including a no-fly zone and arming the Syrian rebels".

These, presumably, would be the same Syrian rebels comprising Taliban or Al-Qaeda that anyone in the US caught talking to would be locked up for life, with no charge and no recourse to lawyers?


Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:31 | 3657655 Fix It Again Timmy
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Will US troops get flowers and chocolates this go round or will the usual fare be served up - white-hot, high-velocity metal projectiles and shrapnel.  Is there anything else I can get you?  Yes, more IEDs, please!



Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:46 | 3657686 Zosynspiracy
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I doubt they will even get out the yellow ribbons for this one!  Maybe a few more cheap Wounded Warrior totes and some no name black actor asking for donations......maybe another hoky honky tonk country music star to drum up some faux patriotism........yeah sounds like America!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:35 | 3657665 Dr. No
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Im sure someone in that country has a pressure cooker.  WMD found!!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:36 | 3657667 Bryan
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Uh oh.  I believe that public statement is a volley across the bow of the USS Obama.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:37 | 3657669 NeedtoSecede
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Once again the Tylers and ZH contributors were weeks or months ahead of everyone else, and so far it has been playing out as predicted.

What a shit show.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:39 | 3657670 RiverRoad
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Ever notice how when things heat up in the Whitehouse, we have a little war somewhere???

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:39 | 3657672 Zosynspiracy
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Let's send the Transgendered Navy SEALS over there to Syria!  That'll show them!  America gotta love the circus of a country we now live in!!!!!!!

I hope Russia arms Assad to the teeth with S300s etc.  Fuck the Zionist Jews and Bibby!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:42 | 3657677 Freewheelin Franklin
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The Administration needs to do something to divert attention way from Benghazi, IRS, AP, NSA................................................................

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:52 | 3657704 the not so migh...
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etc, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:11 | 3657762 thelibcentury
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the question is, what will divert attention away from the lies about Syria? and so it goes...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:42 | 3657678 Zosynspiracy
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And I no longer support all the dumb American soldiers willing to fight and die for our corrupt government.  They deserve their plight if they can't see how UnConstitutional, corrupt and tyrannical their puppet masters are.  "doing our their job" is a cop out and a coward's excuse!  But dear god did I just say the US military isn't' the holiest bunch of heroes on Earth?  OMG I should go hang myself!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:54 | 3657707 Oldwood
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The military provides an option to young people with few to choose from. Plus it offers a relatively easy program for advancement. People really do crave structure and the military does this. It, like government employees in general, are the easiest to manipulate and use for destructive forces, as they do not tolerate insubordination. The pied piper leading people to their own destruction.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:22 | 3657792 beekeeper
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Replace "military" with "street gangs" and your statement still makes sense. I have no sympathy for people who join street gangs and I'm losing sympathy for people that join the military.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:04 | 3657735 Whatta
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I hear what you are saying. It was tough when my own son was in the Army just a few short years ago and I opened my eyes to the lying assbag government. I damned sure didn't want to see him in harms way, and luckily he never his unit was just back from Iraq and not due to deploy again. I didn't want to discourage him and say negative stuff like I was not supporting him and his choice to enlist.

But, OTOH, many young men and women still have dreams and hopes for this country...and are naive. So, to the ones that are still in the military - Best wishes to you. I support you, but get the fvck out as soon as you can.

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