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Thousands Of Firms Trade Confidential Data With The US Government In Exchange For Classified Intelligence

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The rabbit hole just got deeper. A whole lot deeper.

On Sunday we predicated that "there's one reason why the administration, James Clapper and the NSA should just keep their mouths shut as the PRISM-gate fallout escalates: with every incremental attempt to refute some previously unknown facet of the US Big Brother state, a new piece of previously unleaked information from the same intelligence organization now scrambling for damage control, emerges and exposes the brand new narrative as yet another lie, forcing even more lies, more retribution against sources, more journalist persecution and so on."

And like a hole that just gets deeper the more you dug and exposes ever more dirt, tonight's installment revealing one more facet of the conversion of a once great republic into a great fascist, "big brother" state, comes from Bloomberg which reports that "thousands of technology, finance and manufacturing companies are working closely with U.S. national security agencies, providing sensitive information and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence, four people familiar with the process said."

The companies extend far wider than the legacy telcos, such as Verizon, that launched the entire NSA-spying scandal a week ago: "Makers of hardware and software, banks, Internet security providers, satellite telecommunications companies and many other companies also participate in the government programs. In some cases, the information gathered may be used not just to defend the nation but to help infiltrate computers of its adversaries."

Many of these same Internet and telecommunications companies voluntarily provide U.S. intelligence organizations with additional data, such as equipment specifications, that don’t involve private communications of their customers, the four people said.

And since what goes on behind the scenes is confidential, literally anything goes: "Along with the NSA, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and branches of the U.S. military have agreements with such companies to gather data that might seem innocuous but could be highly useful in the hands of U.S. intelligence or cyber warfare units, according to the people, who have either worked for the government or are in companies that have these accords."

Some of the back and forth is innocuous, such as Microsoft revealing ahead of time the nature of its exposed bugs (ostensibly providing the government with a back door into any system using a Microsoft OS, but since it's don't ask, dont' tell, nobody really knows). However the bulk of the interaction is steeped in secrecy: "Most of the arrangements are so sensitive that only a handful of people in a company know of them, and they are sometimes brokered directly between chief executive officers and the heads of the U.S.’s major spy agencies, the people familiar with those programs said."

More on this "company within a company":

Typically, a key executive at a company and a small number of technical people cooperate with different agencies and sometimes multiple units within an agency, according to the four people who described the arrangements.

 

If necessary, a company executive, known as a “committing officer,” is given documents that guarantee immunity from civil actions resulting from the transfer of data. The companies are provided with regular updates, which may include the broad parameters of how that information is used.

Remember how they say conspiracies are impossible because too many people know about them, and the information always eventually leaks? Well not if you contain it to a handful of people in any organization, and force them to sign a bloody NDA, pledging one's first born in the case of secrecy breach.

An example of a company that is happy to "communicate" with tht the government is Intel's McAfee internet security unit, which in addition to everything is one giant backdoor entrance for the government. If need be of course:

Intel Corp. (INTC)’s McAfee unit, which makes Internet security software, regularly cooperates with the NSA, FBI and the CIA, for example, and is a valuable partner because of its broad view of malicious Internet traffic, including espionage operations by foreign powers, according to one of the four people, who is familiar with the arrangement.

 

Such a relationship would start with an approach to McAfee’s chief executive, who would then clear specific individuals to work with investigators or provide the requested data, the person said. The public would be surprised at how much help the government seeks, the person said.

 

McAfee firewalls collect information on hackers who use legitimate servers to do their work, and the company data can be used to pinpoint where attacks begin. The company also has knowledge of the architecture of information networks worldwide, which may be useful to spy agencies who tap into them, the person said.

Google, another participant in PRISM, already lied about its participation in the covert-op:

Following an attack on his company by Chinese hackers in 2010, Sergey Brin, Google’s co-founder, was provided with highly sensitive government intelligence linking the attack to a specific unit of the People’s Liberation Army, China’s military, according to one of the people, who is familiar with the government’s investigation. Brin was given a temporary classified clearance to sit in on the briefing, the person said.

 

According to information provided by Snowden, Google, owner of the world’s most popular search engine, had at that point been a Prism participant for more than a year.

 

Google CEO Larry Page said in a blog posting June 7 that he hadn’t heard of a program called Prism until after Snowden’s disclosures and that the Mountain View, California-based company didn’t allow the U.S. government direct access to its servers or some back-door to its data centers. He said Google provides user data to governments “only in accordance with the law.”

Ah yes, the law that no mere mortal can observe in action, and which has zero popular checks and balances. So what specifically does Google provide to the government? "Highly offensive information" it appears.

That metadata includes which version of the operating system, browser and Java software are being used on millions of devices around the world, information that U.S. spy agencies could use to infiltrate those computers or phones and spy on their users.

 

“It’s highly offensive information,” said Glenn Chisholm, the former chief information officer for Telstra Corp (TLS)., one of Australia’s largest telecommunications companies, contrasting it to defensive information used to protect computers rather than infiltrate them.

Going back to Obama's promise on live TV that nobody was listening in to any conversations, one wonders: why did the major telecom companies "ask for guarantees that they wouldn’t be held liable under U.S. wiretap laws." Because if the companies demanded a waiver, they obviously were wiretapping, i.e., eavesdropping, and doing so on US citizens, or those protected by US laws. And that's why Obama should have just kept his mouth shut, instead of having to explain what he meant and that he never said what he said.

Before they agreed to install the system on their networks, some of the five major Internet companies -- AT&T Inc. (T), Verizon Communications Inc (VZ)., Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), Level 3 Communications Inc (LVLT). and CenturyLink Inc (CTL). -- asked for guarantees that they wouldn’t be held liable under U.S. wiretap laws. Those companies that asked received a letter signed by the U.S. attorney general indicating such exposure didn’t meet the legal definition of a wiretap and granting them immunity from civil lawsuits, the person said.

Ah, the US Attorney General - because what is another Obama scandal that doesn't involve his primary henchman Eric Holder...

Mark Siegel, a spokesman for Dallas-based AT&T, the nation’s biggest
phone carrier, declined to comment. Edward McFadden, a spokesman for
New York-based Verizon, the second-largest phone company, declined to
comment. Scott Sloat, a spokesman for Overland Park, Kansas-based
Sprint, and Monica Martinez, a spokeswoman for Broomfield,
Colorado-based Level 3, didn’t immediately respond to requests for
comment.

No need to comment - it's quite clear.

The last question remains: what do companies get out of this proactive betrayal of their clients? Well, in some cases, such as those of IBM and Amazon as we described yesterday, they get lucrative government (CIA) contracts for billions of dollars. But that's just taxpayer cash. Where it gets worse is when the kickbacks are yet more secrets.

In exchange, leaders of companies are showered with attention and information by the agencies to help maintain the relationship, the person said. In other cases, companies are given quick warnings about threats that could affect their bottom line, including serious Internet attacks and who is behind them.

In other words, what is going on behind the scenes is nothing more than one vast, very selective, extremely secretive, symbiotic and perfectly "legal" giant information exchange network, which allows corporations to profit off classified government information either in kind or in cash, and which allows the government to have all the information at its disposal, collected using public and private venues, in order to protect itself, to take out those it designates as targets, or simply said - to get ever bigger.

The loser in all of this?

You.

 

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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:30 | 3657205 THX 1178
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The deeper you go, the deeper it gets. The more you pull the plug out of the back of your head, the more there is to pull out. Like streamers out of a clown's mouth.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:38 | 3657220 prains
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IT puts the fucking lotion on its skin !!!!!

 

krazy

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:53 | 3657260 TheLooza
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Shit is incementally getting too real.  I just want to get raped by the HFT algo fuckers and pretend that thats as bad as it gets.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:04 | 3657278 macholatte
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But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

 

We're willing to wipe the slate clean, give you a fresh start. All that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.

 

I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:31 | 3657317 James_Cole
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This seems interesting but I can't quite put it into context yet. By context I mean, has congress pinpointed whether the people who leaked this info graduated high school? Pretty critical.

I need high school graduation confirmation before I can decide whether this is valid or not. Hopefully congress will investigate quickly.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:54 | 3657343 philipat
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Oh what a tangled web we weave.......

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:11 | 3657402 johnQpublic
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i swear, you would shit yourself, if you understood the level of cooperation with law enforcement, including the F.B.I., that your local GROCERY store loss prevention team has

those store loyalty cards...hoo boy what they can infer from those ...metadata anyone?

not a joke folks

had a buddy in grocery store loss prevention, and the tales he could tell

he had to actually get security clearance

partial list of shit to not buy at the grocery store with credit card and or store loyalty card

bulk poppy seeds, baggies(buy ten boxes and see),starting fluid, certain cleaning products, cold medecine, lithium batteries etc

the poppy seed one is the best imho

they actually provided instructions on how it was turned into heroin

had a rash of thefts of the three pound bags from the artisan foods section or somesuch

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:10 | 3657524 jbvtme
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http://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/top.php?source=Patrick.net&display=Z    check out a few of your favorite civil servants now lobbying for private interests

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:32 | 3657822 DaddyO
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This article makes Mr. Snowden out to be a little more than a "high school" dropout. It seems he's pretty crafty which would be of great use to TPTB in an NSA sort of way.

http://news.yahoo.com/edward-snowden-stole-cache-nsa-secrets-072500307.html

DaddyO

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:45 | 3658487 Lost Word
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Tyler,

I would Tweet some of these ZH News stories,

Except the Tweet reveals my ZH account name.

Any way to block ?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:43 | 3657564 Lost My Shorts
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You are totally right.  I was going to say something similar.  Imagine if the local police offered manpower to review all the surveillance video at the local Rite Aid and bust all the shop lifters.  What woudl Rite Aid say?  Thanks !!!  Have all our "customer data" and fire away.

Because computers seem mysterious and obscure to the average person, people have the illusion that what they do there is somehow secret.  Moreso than walking around the local drug store where your every move is recorded by surveillance cameras and the store would be eager to hand all the video to police if the police were even willing to look at it.  Why should the 'net be any different? The big tech companies are happy to have free help policing their customers and fending off threats to their business, just like the local drug store would be.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 04:07 | 3657423 dunce
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When first we practice to deceive.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 06:33 | 3657490 Say What Again
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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:30 | 3657649 Freewheelin Franklin
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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:05 | 3659082 Totentänzerlied
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Some of the cipher and digest algorithms are compromised. It only matters if someone is actually interested in trying to decrypt your messages...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 05:45 | 3657471 Oh regional Indian
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All of a sudden, none of this seems far fetched at all :

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-abo...

ori

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:42 | 3657330 BlackChicken
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Perfect place for that quote. Thank you.

My biggest hurdle for years has been knowing those still part of the larger system are actually my enemy. Mixed with that, I have this burning need to show them what they are part of, but still trying to do such with genuine love and compassion. That last part is where the struggle for me comes from. I find it hard to love sometimes with a boot on my face.

On July the fourth, I will shiver every time I hear about celebrating our freedom and independence; mostly because those I know don't actually know much of history, or what freedom really is.

The thing that really helps me keep trying anyway is the fact that if they knew the truth, and could really see it, they too might start talking. If our nation really has a 100th monkey moment, and we could possibly flush the toilet, we will be on our way to a super leap forward.

That my friends is worth all the jeers/mocking/name-calling the system could ever dish out.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:18 | 3657367 Spanky
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We need to celebrate freedom on election day. Just sayin'...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confident...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:40 | 3657382 BlackChicken
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W need an election where real people run for office, not the sold-out clowns we see right now.

Until the awakening, or hundredth monkey moment, voting will be irrelevant. Just sayin'

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:33 | 3657412 Spanky
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And I understand your point of view. Can I change it, perhaps?

What do they, the elite, have? Money. Politicians. Policy.

What do we have? Numbers. If we can wake them.

An awakening needs a catalyst, an object, and hope. (Get yer hopium right here, folks -- no limit today.) We can supply the object (and a realistic and effective object will build hope). At that point, we merely need a catalyst -- and I think the-powers-that-be will supply one.

I too would like to see "real people run[ning] for office, not the sold-out clowns..." But before we get to that point, we'll have to deal the empire a decisive blow. Something we can all agree upon and get behind. An out-of-control, corrupt and intrusive government? Met by our principled stand at the ballot box... Call it a hundredth monkey moment.

It's time to get back to the fundamentals. Constitutional fundamentals.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:12 | 3657605 Esso
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Thursday is Soylent Hopium Day.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:34 | 3657828 Yes_Questions
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The Elite have the deed to the planet.

Its not theirs, or ours, for that matter, to have.

 

All the wealth and power superficially at the disposal of the Elite is an illusion in the big picture that WE allow to manifest into wholly unecessary misery.  

Its our slavery to lose.

 

 

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 14:25 | 3658939 Kobe Beef
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Indeed, it is our passivity in the face of aggression that allows this to happen. Whether Learned Helplessness, or Hollywood conditioning us to believe that if we stay in our chairs, Neo, Jason Bourne or Batman will swoop in and save us: the effect is the same. Passivity.

The State is not god. The Leaders are not geniuses. They're just overgrown versions of your Student Council President, local Homeowners Committee, or in the PRISM case, peeping toms, backed by gifted technicians and engineers. In fact, due to government hiring practices, a large portion of government employees are borderline retards, with IQs a full standard deviation below your average Zero Hedge reader. So why can't we outcreate them?

We need to put down our remotes, mice, distractions and act. Not because you can change the system, not because you can make the world a better place, not because you can have a secure retirement, etc. Only you can only save yourself, and this merely requires you to do something. Any act of rebellion is an assertion of your own power, which is the only one that can ultimately make a difference in your life. You act to assert your will. Once the will is summoned, no government can stamp it out.

I do not advocate violence. Not because I don't think it will be necessary, it is. But you must crawl before you can run. The people who need taking down do violence professionally, and they will beat you at it. So prank them, shame them, ridicule them. Open a safe deposit box at ShittyBank and leave a dead fish in it. Toilet paper their house. Disrupt their comfortable little lives and sow chaos and dissension. Disrupt the Animal Farm.

But above all, act to assert yourself. Exercise your will. Everything else can follow. But we must first overcome our own paralysis.

 

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:13 | 3659107 Spanky
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+1

Well said!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:11 | 3659098 Spanky
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+1 Yes_Questions

Correctomundo... 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:39 | 3657380 Svendblaaskaeg
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Thanks macholatte, a very appropriate quote

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:57 | 3657393 underman
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I personally cannot believe this is real.  It's the stuff of nightmares, prophetic literature and sci-fi films. This is the good ol red white and blue!  The envy of the entire world just a few short years ago.  Fly-fishing.  Baseball in summer.  SoCal beaches and bikinis.  Wtf is happening?  Is it really all coming to a mad train wreck with cell phones, facebook, google and ipads?    

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:06 | 3657400 varnelius
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After everything I've seen/read/heard in the past week (and the extrapolations possible by connecting the dots), I feel the need to corner the market in Tin Foil.

Amazing that the 1%ers have been able to demonize those who were the early awaken ones who were trying to warn the rest of us.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:13 | 3657404 johnQpublic
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not amazing

efficient

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:21 | 3657533 j0nx
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Liberalism, political correctness and a schism between conservatives and liberals breaking down the moral and social fabric of the nation. Easy to take over a nation after that. In a nutshell. Don't listen to anyone that tells you we aren't dangerously close to a civil war in this country. I've never seen it so divided and neither side wants to be around or associated with the other.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:19 | 3657624 Baldrick
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The barriers have just shifted. Read the comments of the nyt, abc, cbs, yahoo, even huffpo, edward has just ripped the curtain off the rail and exposed the fascism. The recognized division is now between dc and the rest of the country, which is still armed. I have been elated and smiling since last week because this event is the black swan.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 04:26 | 3657435 Glasnost
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The problem with the world?

 

Government.

Tyranny?  Eventually fails.  Democracy?  Fails or melts into tyranny.

 

Governments have failed for the past 6000 years.  Can somebody please explain why the hell we think it's a good idea to still have them?

Humans and their need/desire for such a type of structure is truly astounding.  Why can't we all be like plankton or something.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:45 | 3657566 Oldwood
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Do you think plankton has no structure? What you are asking for is EXACTLY what our leaders seek. A mindless horde of bees where there are a few "queens" and the rest are mindless worker bees going about their business. This glorious efficiency is the core principle of every tyranical system put in place. The whole concept is a concentrated central control of everything. All of your despised turmoil is ultimately the expression of man's need for freedom and liberty. But, you are correct. An ant hill does look peaceful.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:59 | 3659381 Glasnost
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Ants and bees have queens.  Plankton don't.

 

http://www.ehow.com/how-does_4913871_phytoplankton-reproduce.html

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:27 | 3659161 Spanky
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"Can somebody please explain why the hell we think it's a good idea to still have them [governments]? -- Glasnost

Short answer: Give me everything you've got and I might let you live.

Long answer: Without government to provide some semblance of law and order on an ordinary, day-to-day basis, you'll have to deal with me. I don't give a damn about you and your honorable beliefs, nor do I play fair, nor do I care what you think of me. I'll use violence as a first resort to get what I want. And if, by chance you escape my devious plots and ambushes to steal your food and take your valuables, and manage somehow to take me down, tomorrow another desperate, armed and starving man will take my place. In a phrase, life will again become nasty, brutish and short. God how I *love* anarchy.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:56 | 3659377 Glasnost
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I like anarchy too.  http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/06/indias-voluntary-city.html

 

"You need the government to protect you."

Biggest lie ever drilled into the head of people.

 

I am not denying that people will seek to raid others because of greed, but who says the people coming to raid have to 'win'?

 

http://pastebin.com/1rwtXeXP

"“God forbid,” he said, “that I should so wrong the Troglodytes as to make them believe that no one among them was more just than I. You offer me the crown, and if you absolutely insist, I must of course accept it; but rest assured that I will die of grief to see the Troglodytes, free since my birth, submit now to a master.” With these words he burst into tears. “O miserable day!” he exclaimed. “Why have I lived so long?” Then his voice became severe. “I see very well what is happening, Troglodytes. Your virtue is beginning to burden you. In your present leaderless state you must be virtuous in spite of yourselves, for if you were not you could not exist, and you would fall into your ancestors’ misery. But this yoke seems too hard; you prefer to submit yourselves to a prince and to obey his laws, which would be less exacting than your own morality. You know that under such laws you will be able to indulge your ambition, acquire riches, and languish in mean pleasures; you know that, so long as you avoid actual crime, you will not need virtue.” He stopped for a moment; his tears flowed faster than ever. “And what do you suppose I could do? How could I command anything of a Troglodyte? Would you have an act deemed virtuous because I required it, when it would have been done anyway, by natural instinct? O Troglodytes, I am at the end of my life; the blood grows colder in my veins. I will soon rejoin your revered ancestors; why do you ask me to afflict them, and oblige me to tell them that I have left you under a yoke other than that of virtue?”"

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:32 | 3657824 Jumbotron
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"But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

 

We're willing to wipe the slate clean, give you a fresh start. All that we're asking in return is your cooperation in bringing a known terrorist to justice.

 

I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?"

Ahhh.....Morpheus from "The Matrix"

As I have been saying for years on this site.....The Matrix is much less fiction and much more of a documentary.

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:01 | 3657349 markettime
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And no one is going to do anything about it. Might as well take possession of your stock certs or get out of the system because it is only going to get worse. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 14:56 | 3659053 mkkby
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This shows how technology overall is a curse.  What do we get out of it?  Some cheap entertainment... in exchange for total loss of privacy, HFT, 24x7 work, and drones.  The boss wins again.

Looks like Ted Kazinsky was right all along.  I pray for the EMP that wipes it all out.  I wish I'd been born 200 years ago when the earth was pristine.  Or 200 years from now when it's all forgotten. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:42 | 3657331 trader1
Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:09 | 3657286 Jim in MN
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The Devil is in them.

All the values of a wood tick.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:55 | 3657344 Meat Hammer
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Corporations are people.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:47 | 3657691 exi1ed0ne
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Solent Green is people.  Om nom nom.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 11:56 | 3658244 rustymason
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If corporations are people, and Soylent Green is people, then ...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:37 | 3657840 Jumbotron
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"The Devil is in them.

All the values of a wood tick."

 

In the words of Jesse Ventura in "Predator"......."They're dug in deeper than an Alabama tick."

 



Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:21 | 3657310 Jim in MN
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Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of all, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O my people: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you.

--Joshua 7:13

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 06:42 | 3657497 espirit
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+1 So true Jim.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 04:27 | 3657438 Uber Vandal
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In regards to the deepr you go, the deeper it gets and more to pull out, just play hide and seek with yourself, or even your e mail adress, at some of the sites below.

Some of the info is not entirely accurate, but close enough.

www.spokeo.com

www.mylife.com

Just for fun, I plugged in a friend in the first listed site above, and a google street view of the front door of his apartment showed up FFS.

And that, google street view, raises a whole other set of issues....

Enjoy...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:35 | 3657833 Coast Watcher
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Jeeezus. I plugged my own name into Spokeo and up popped not only my current address, complete with Google sat photo, but also the house where we lived in the early 1980s, long before the Internet Age had started. How the hell did they get that one?

Y'know how we all say that yesterday's tinfoil is today's headlines? These days I think we can skip right past the tinfoil.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:34 | 3657214 Bastiat
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They don't care what we think.  Jarret made it clear when she said: Holder stays.  It translates to: Fuck You.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:47 | 3657222 Spanky
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"Doesn't make any difference... who cares what the people think" -- Racer

"They don't care what we think. ...It translates to: Fuck You" -- Bastiat

Well said since it's true. I get up every morning, look in the mirror, and tell myself "My opinion does not matter." It's best not to start the day with a lie.

I guess you have to be a real democrat to believe in democracy. And my, isn't the astroturf thick this year... Endless (and useless) .org petitons and emails serve up ice cream issue politics in whatever flavor the public (thinks it) wants -- as long as they vote vanilla or chocolate. (An occassional strawberry is OK, it gives the illusion of variety, but be careful and don't over do it... Or else the plebes might get ideas about Rocky Road.)

It's just my personal opinion, but I think we ought change that. All over the net we bitch... and do nothing.

For example, do you think we live under a tyrannical government? There are only three answers to this question. Yes. No. I don't know.

If you answer Yes, your opinion does not matter. Which means tens of millions of us, citizens all, do not matter to our government (or either political party, or the Fed). And not only has that been proved, time and again, they act even now to improverish us and destroy our free society.

And we can do nothing but watch and bitch? The only thing that seperates us from the muppets and sheeple is our ringside seat. Question is, why are we not in the ring?

Ah, the Panopticon.

Well fuck 'em. I've got a secret. Three in fact.

Do ya really wanna know? [whisper]

The Constitution of the United States of America is an agreement, a contract, between each and every citizen. We, the people, are parties to the Constitution; government is merely the subject of our contract.

The government of the United States of America derives its legitimacy by the election of candidates to Constitutional office; implicit in your vote for a candidate is your consent to be governed by the candidates elected to office.

You must show up to be counted (vote).

Now the cat's out the bag... Be careful you might make "the list' if you connect the dots. But then, frontrunning is always risky for the little guy.

It's quite simple, really. Since our opinion does not matter, what could possibly happen if we all showed up at the polls and voted "No Consent"? Nothing much, I'm sure.

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:17 | 3657274 Harry Dong
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Deleted

Too pretentious

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:21 | 3657311 Spanky
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Like I said, My opinion does not matter.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:29 | 3657316 Harry Dong
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My bad 

I actually really really liked your comment and opinion...but my response fell short

It is that to which I referred

_( I'm trying to type cohesively on this frustrating nexus 7 ,,, and failing)

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:43 | 3657334 Spanky
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Thank you for the compliment. I took no offense.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:37 | 3657326 Spanky
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No. Not voting is not the same as voting No Consent. Because consent is implicit in voting, a voter must remove their consent explicitly. Simply put, you must show up and be counted.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:12 | 3659102 Totentänzerlied
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"The Constitution of the United States of America is an agreement, a contract, between each and every citizen. We, the people, are parties to the Constitution; government is merely the subject of our contract."

OhahaoaoaohoahoaoaoahohohohohohhahahahahahahahahohohahahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahHaa!

*My sides*

"You must show up to be counted (vote)."

AAHAHAHAHAhahahahAHAHhahohohhahahahahHAHAHahahahahahahAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAA!!!

*You're killing me*

MDB, meet thy doom!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:41 | 3659199 Spanky
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My my, you must be a scholar.

Since you've so utterly and substatively and logically refuted my proposition, what do you offer in return? A room with a view of the abbattoir? 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:46 | 3657239 otto skorzeny
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that cunt Jarrett is simply Obowelmovement's CIA handler. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:22 | 3658375 Kobe Beef
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Unless she's working for the GCC. Obama is definitely an intelligence asset.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:56 | 3657263 Ignatius
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Bastiat, actually they do care what we think, that's why they work the propaganda so hard.

But maybe your point is that they'll do what they want if they can, regardless, which is true.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:07 | 3657282 Colonel Klink
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They don't care what we think, they care about crossing that final line.  Because they fear what a population can do if it rises up.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:34 | 3657322 James_Cole
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I'm fairly confident 'Operation Mockingbird' never stopped.

They care VERY much what you think.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:04 | 3657352 Spanky
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"Because they fear what a population can do if it rises up." -- Colonel Klink

You simply have no idea how silly it feels to be quoting "Colonel Klink". But I am proud to do so. My point exactly. I think "they" need a little fear. That rising kind, that they just can't quite put their finger on...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:05 | 3657399 underman
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A population with 300M guns.  Straight.  Perhaps the beating heart of the world.  These 300M guns.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:22 | 3657408 johnQpublic
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oh please

they dont care about our guns

theirs are so much better

they have a cohesive force to use them

do you think you could convince even just one of your neighbors to rise up?

any gun issue is about divisiveness, left right, donkey elephant

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:22 | 3659143 Totentänzerlied
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300 millions light arms, all pointed in the wrong directions.

Rich vs. poor, white vs nonwhite, color/race/religion/ethnicity X vs color/race/religion/ethnicity Y, lib vs dem, young vs. old, urban vs. rural, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The only distinction that matters is more liberty vs. less liberty. The people on Team Less-Liberty are an incredibly varied bunch from all sections and classes and parts of society, and they fight so much amongst themselves over the minutiae of proper human oppression that it might at times be hard to decide on which side of the more-liberty/less-liberty divide they fall. Fortunately, the calculus is simple: do they believe the state can ever solve more problems than it creates, and do they believe that the benefits, if any, are worth the cost.

Virtually no one is, when the chips are down, literally undecided on the issue of statism. There is simply too much to gain and/or lose.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:10 | 3657287 Jim in MN
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They care only that no adults arrive to remove their psychopathic paws from the levers of power.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:35 | 3657216 Dasa Slooofoot
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It's faaaaascism - Gerald Celente

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:51 | 3657253 The Shootist
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His interviews at times annoyed me as he often drifts from financial analysis, now I see crazy Celente, crazy Bill Murphy, crazy Bob Chapman and all were more on target than my scariest nightmares. Our constitutional republic is dead, lets not live in this sociopath banker hell any longer.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:14 | 3657299 Spanky
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"Our constitutional republic is dead, lets not live in this sociopath banker hell any longer." -- The Shootist

Well said, and sadly I agree. Shall we discuss solutions?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confident...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:00 | 3657511 Cloud9.5
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The first step is to develop a national consensus on the left and the right that we must all vote out all incumbents.  They are all whores.  Just because one claims to be your whore makes no difference.  A whore is still a whore and goes to the highest bidder.  They are not for us, so, let’s get rid of them.  In two years’ time we can roll over the house.  In six years we can roll over the senate.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:05 | 3657590 Oldwood
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There is no way to force our current system to allow voters true choice. The two major political parties have been able to own it. My solution is runoffs. Set up election petitions that will allow any person to run in an election that can collect the required number of signatures. These elections would take place where ten candidates would reduce to four, then three, then two, regardless of party affiliation. With the strict adherance to a two party election a third party candidate has distorted election results. Two relative conservative or liberal candidates ensure the candidate in opposition will win. We have seen it time and again. There should never be more than two running for any office in the final election. We have an election process that ensures that we have as limited a choice as possible and this is deliberate, as the major political parties must maintain ownership of the process. We will never be able to eliminate corruption but transparency and free choice give us our best chance at containing it.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:31 | 3657654 Spanky
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"There is no way to force our current system to allow voters true choice." -- Oldwood

I disagree. I think we can force a true choice -- we just have to ask ourselves better questions.

Please see: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confident...

"The two major political parties have been able to own it [our political system]." -- Oldwood

I propose we kick them out first, then take our political system back. I also agree that "[w]e will never be able to eliminate corruption", but maybe we can prune the hell out of it...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 10:14 | 3657948 Shad_ow
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Sorry but believeing elections are not rigged is naive. 

"He who counts the cotes determines the outcome."

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:25 | 3658389 Saint Tibb
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He who selects the names to go on the ballots doesn't care about the counts.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:05 | 3659263 Spanky
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+1

Well said.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:37 | 3658753 Lost Word
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First degree (only) Freemason LBJ went from his rigged first Texas congressional election all the way to President.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:25 | 3659151 Totentänzerlied
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Believing that elections can solve anything, or ever do less harm than good, or ever approach a state of ethical legitimacy, is far beyond simple naïveté.

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Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:03 | 3659258 Spanky
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Thus you advocate apathy. Politics has been called "war by other means." The problem with your position is that you've bought into the elite's political propaganda. If you do not trust the democratic aspect (voting) of our little republic, you implicity place your trust in the elite -- which is the same as answering either "No" or "I don't know" to the question: Do you think we live under a tyrannical government? 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:04 | 3659228 Spanky
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Shad_ow

I agree. Hence my advocacy. I think using our myths and beliefs against candidates might prove fruitful. Since honest candidates cannot compete in a rigged system, it's up to us to change the rules using our genesis story against the elite.

As far as counting votes is concerned, I've a few ideas about that...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:17 | 3657618 Spanky
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I agree. But how do we get the ball rolling? How do we nurture (financially speaking) candidates and protect them from the MSM assault?

If our problem were not institutionalized at this point, I might endorse this approach (and have in the past). But the core problem is candidates. Might there be another way we might delegitimize our government in one election, without candidates, to make our point?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:40 | 3658775 Lost Word
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Only if someone very powerful has a change of heart, and abandons the Beast.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:07 | 3659271 Spanky
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That would be us, you and I...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:07 | 3657284 object_orient
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Yeah. If this isn't fascism, what is?

And how can the NSA, or even attorney general, promise immunity from civil suits? Isn't that a court decision? Or are judges now working for the Executive? It's taken for granted that Congress will pass a law?

Texas needs to secede already and get the ball rolling - break up this federal monstrosity.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:06 | 3657357 OldPhart
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My thoughts exactly.  Immunity isn't granted by any agency; An agency can only agree not to prosecute under its domain.

This is a loophole to be exploited after the rest are taken down.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:46 | 3658796 Lost Word
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Judges all working for the NWO write law for the NWO, instead of interpreting law,

and legislators all working for the NWO either write law for the NWO or abdicate to all the Judges working for the NWO.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:54 | 3657422 Zosynspiracy
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And where are the likes of these Gerald Celente clowns?  Pounding their fists behind a green screen and some roaring fire backdrop sitting in a leather sofa while sipping wine?  Please...Celenete is a pussy just like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, Alex Jones, and all the other so called "patriotic" talking head douchebags.  If he really cared about liberty, freedom, and justice he'd be out leading riots, dropping molotav cocktails, and earning his overnight stay in a country jail.  Look at the French, the Turks, the Muslims........you gotta give it to these terrorist fucks........they sure as hell will die for what they believe in.  What will Celente do?  Write books and newsletters?  America is done because nobody is willing to spill blood anymore.  The most heavily armed society in the world and we can't even drum up enough courage to stand up to pencil neck paper pushing IRS agents.  America has become a joke......just ask the cross dressing transgendered Navy SEAL! LMAO! 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:46 | 3657866 Jumbotron
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"And where are the likes of these Gerald Celente clowns?  Pounding their fists behind a green screen and some roaring fire backdrop sitting in a leather sofa while sipping wine?  Please...Celenete is a pussy just like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, Alex Jones, and all the other so called "patriotic" talking head douchebags.  If he really cared about liberty, freedom, and justice he'd be out leading riots, dropping molotav cocktails, and earning his overnight stay in a country jail.  Look at the French, the Turks, the Muslims........you gotta give it to these terrorist fucks........they sure as hell will die for what they believe in.  What will Celente do?  Write books and newsletters?  America is done because nobody is willing to spill blood anymore.  The most heavily armed society in the world and we can't even drum up enough courage to stand up to pencil neck paper pushing IRS agents.  America has become a joke......just ask the cross dressing transgendered Navy SEAL! LMAO! "

Testify brother......testify.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:52 | 3658810 Lost Word
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Even the Islamic terrorists have spiritual leaders who stay above the fray.

It is true that the vast majority of American followers of the Rebels lack sufficient courage.

Not enough true faith in America.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:29 | 3659168 Totentänzerlied
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Frankly I could not possibly care less about the gender, or gender-identity, or fashion habits, of US Navy SEALs. I'm  a bit more concerned with the fact that they're just hired guns for a bunch of powerful sociopathic mass-murderers.

Get your priorities in order.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:35 | 3657217 Yen Cross
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  Did you see that BITCHZ > DoDo hit last night?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:35 | 3657218 docmac324
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Why would ANYONE be surprised by this, really?

 

This IS the world you live in.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:42 | 3657234 otto skorzeny
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this article falls under the "no shit" category.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:36 | 3657221 TheEdelman
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I think I need another drink

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:41 | 3657224 Schmuck Raker
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Subtitle: "How to get BLS data 5 milliseconds earlier than anyone that matters(millions of individual investors)."

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:38 | 3657225 piliage
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If Romney had been voted in, there would already be an impeachment hearing. But since we have 'The One', this will just get swept under the rug like all the other scandals as the people's republik of Amerika grinds its way into a parody of Mike Judge's Idiocracy.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:49 | 3657247 otto skorzeny
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If that cultist and his magic underpants had gotten in we'd all be dead by now because he would have given the Zionists in AIPAC the green light to start WWIII over Iran- not that it's not coming soon.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 13:57 | 3658834 Lost Word
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Mormonism was derived from a combination of Christianity, Occultism, and Freemasonry.

Not every Mormon follows the Doctrine absolutely.

Not every Christian President and Not every Freemason President has started Wars.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:51 | 3657254 Things that go bump
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No. Things would be exactly the same, only the suit in front of the camera would be different. I understand Obama watches a lot of basketball on TV and is often late or entirely absent from meetings. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:54 | 3657261 otto skorzeny
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Is "watches a lot of b-ball on tv" code for sodomy?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:17 | 3657304 piliage
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But the difference is Obama is getting a free pass. Heck, even the media have let him slide on the phone tapping thing... "Aw heck, he didn't really mean to tap our phones, Holder means so well, and the AP deserved it".

I'm not saying I liked Romney mind you, I'm just saying all of this would have been going on anyway, and he would be in a shit storm now. Obama? Nothing sticks to him, even though IRS, Benghazi, AP Phone Taps, FBI had Boston Bombers interviewed, Drone Killing of US Citizens, all point back to his AG and State Department. Makes Nixon look like an amateur.

I mean really, the Canuck letter? Rat fucking? Dirty Tricks in an election? That is what Nixon was investigated for. Benghazi, IRS and AP alone should have the media and general public apoplectic. Instead, nada.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:37 | 3657839 Common_Cents22
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yep, the lesson is our only way out?   focusing on calling out the media, getting them to do their jobs.  use alinsky ridicule tactics, embarrassing them one at a time. 

If the rogue govt leadership is exposed, it will crumble under its own weight.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 02:09 | 3657359 OldPhart
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My conscience is clear, I voted for Paul.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:04 | 3657734 eatapeach
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Mine, too. I abstained. One may live without granting consent. Voting don't work.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 16:23 | 3659305 Spanky
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Then you implicitly consented to this farce, just the same as if you have voted for one their candidates. That which is implicity given, consent, must be explicitly revoked.

I will agree that at present, "voting [for candidates] don't work." However, what might happen if a few tens of millions of us agreed to vote not for candidates, but to explicitly revoke our consent to be governed by this government under the Constitution? That attacks this government's legitimacy directly, and more importantly, Constitutionally.

The one thing the elite fears above all else is an organized and committed political resistance that not only understands their strategy and tatics, but is willing to inject some political chaos into their well-oiled machine.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:54 | 3657406 PT
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To piliage re:  "If Romney ..."
I live on the other side of the world so I don't know your politics as well as you do, but it seems to me that Romney was a "high quote".  Let me explain.  When a contractor is asked to quote a job (perhaps by a favourite customer) and the job looks too awkward and the contractor doesn't want to do that job, he quotes an extra high price - hoping that someone else will offer to do it cheaper.  That way he won't be too upset if he actually gets the job as at least he'll make decent money out of it, plus he hasn't upset his customer by not quoting at all.  I really get the feeling that whoever controls the US decided that if people weren't going to vote Obama then they were going to be charged as high a price as possible - Romney.  Anyone out there like to say whether they agree or not?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:44 | 3657860 RallyRoundTheFamily
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+1 good analogy.

O is there because he is perfect for the divisions necessary to prevent us from rising as one.

The shitstorm is coming and without a clear enemy, red kills blue, white kills black, everyone kills mexicans, gays vs heteros,  etc

Divided we fall

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 14:04 | 3658862 Lost Word
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Either, Romney did not really wish to win, his half-hearted campaign,

or, Romney's Puppet Masters did not really wish for Romney to win.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:39 | 3657226 prains
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You are being tenderized before eaten much like a steak being hit by a mallet

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:48 | 3657246 THX 1178
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... or a koala being killed by a koala-killing machine...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:49 | 3657228 Schmuck Raker
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Please do not forget that "Intelligence" and "Government" were, are, and always will be mutually exclusive terms.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:41 | 3657229 lolmao500
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All legal of course... as long as you commit treason against the American people, you're good with the JustUs system.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:41 | 3657230 toady
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It's all perfectly legal.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:11 | 3657291 Colonel Klink
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Funny it may all be legal but much of what they're performing is unconstitutional so the legal part doesn't matter.  Can't wait until enough people figure it out.  Consent to be governed ends when the other party breaks the agreement.  I'm a citizen, not a subject.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:19 | 3657308 Spanky
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+1

I love it when someone tells it like it is...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confident...

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:32 | 3659181 Totentänzerlied
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Just one quetion, re: The Constitution: How's that working out for you?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 17:02 | 3659384 Spanky
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Depends on what you mean... or rather how you ask the question.

Insofar as it currently restrains government and guarantees our rights, not well at all. Moreover, considering the lack of substantive public knowledge about the Constitution (witness some of these conversations), I'd say the elite holds most of the cards with their stranglehold on the twin parties (and thereby the political process). We have fallen into tyranny by ignoring the fundamentals of constitutional self-governance.

On the other hand however, circumstances favor social dislocation and civil unrest. Considering DHS' recent ammo and MRAP purchases, it appears the government certainly expects something to happen in the near future.

At present, just enough people are doing just well enough under the current regime that they will continue to support "business as usual" for now. But what will happen to many of those people if the macroeconomic indicators continue to track a failing main street economy? They'll start looking for answers just as soon as their fortunes take a turn for the worse...

I'm merely suggesting we take an opportunity to express our opinion about our government directly, in the only poll that counts. You can argue all day long that voting for candidates (and expecting substantive policy changes) doesn't work under our present circumstances and I will agree with you. Hence my advocacy -- I do not think that doing the same thing over and over again will lead to a different outcome either.

But voting must not needs be a shell game substituting for political participation. When enough of us are ready to act, we can change the rules of the game, but we have to be willing to face the devil we don't know (democracy), to kick out the one we do (tyranny).

You've certainly made your opinion clear, and I respect that. But I ask again, if you do not care for the proposal I've put forward, what do you suggest?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:10 | 3657525 Cloud9.5
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Auschwitz was a legaly run state enterprise.  Never forget the power of the dictatorship of the majority to legalize anything.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 07:18 | 3657532 Ghordius
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the "dictatorship of the majority" is indeed dangerous - that's the reason why constitutions exists. so don't give democracy a bad name if republican constitutionalism - usually geared towards protecting minorities from majorities - is subverted

it's all about balance between democracy and republic. if one wins over the other, both lose and become meaningless

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 08:34 | 3657662 Spanky
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+1

Well said.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 09:23 | 3657796 marathonman
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Really?  You believe that piece of paper is going to save us from totalitarianism?  That document that has been crapped on since Abe Lincoln (in the US) and subverted in countries everywhere that have been rail-roaded into the EU system.  Please share another fairy tale with me.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 14:08 | 3658873 Lost Word
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It is not the piece of paper, but the people who believe in the true meaning of the piece of paper.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:34 | 3659186 Totentänzerlied
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Much like the Bible, the true meaning has been up for some vicious debate... Ever hear of the Civil War?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:36 | 3659196 Totentänzerlied
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In order to believe that and be consistent, one would have to be living in the past, as the totalitarianism has already arrived, and the Constitution is doing about as much good as a squirt-gun on a turkey hunt.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:00 | 3657231 Ignatius
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In the U.S. public mind, the rabbit hole doesn't get any deeper than the massive 9/11 fraud.  From a report by Peter B. Collins, Senator Feinstein started off a press conference today on NSA damage control by recounting a tear-jerker of people falling/jumping from the towers on 9/11.  BREAK THIS LYING MYTH AND THEY GOT NUTIN'.

1,936 architects and engineers question the official 9/11 narrative.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Then go read Greenwald's and McClatchy reporting on the anthrax attack -- a mountain of 'official' lies.

Dr. Graeme McQueen giving a 5-part talk on 9/11, anthrax, Iraq, etc.. (he starts at 3-min mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmRNoDNH-Ps&feature=player_embedded#!

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:24 | 3657313 Setarcos
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Just a reminder that A&E (I am member) are mounting a global awareness campaign on Sept 1st, so how about a visit to  http://www.ae911truth.org/  and giving whatever support you can people.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 15:40 | 3659202 Totentänzerlied
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She's just familiar with the Idiot's Guide to Emotional Manipulation for Political Purposes.

9/11 is to the American regime what the Kirov Plot was to the Soviet regime, and the Reichstag Fire to the Nazi regime.

I think you're being generous. To most people, the rabbit hole doesn't hole doesn't get any deeper than Red Team malfeasance vs Blue Team malfeasance. Ignorance is bliss.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:43 | 3657232 Judge Crater
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When Joe Nacchio was CEO of Qwest, he refused to turn over all his telco's communication data unless Qwest was served with a search warrant.  Nacchio is finishing out a 70 month federal prison sentence in a half way house in Brooklyn, NY.  Nacchio was convicted on a bogus charge of insider trading.  At least Nacchio did not wind up dead, his death ruled a suicide, unlike Aaron Schwarz. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:47 | 3657245 Schmuck Raker
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I have a hard time feeling sorry for Joe, as a long time victim of Qwest.

Just sayin.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:42 | 3657233 jonjon831983
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wow. shit.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:57 | 3657250 jonjon831983
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To be sure - I've seen articles noting cooperation by a "reluctant" NSA with corporations in the name of cybersecurity.

 

But what the bloomberg article is suggesting is beyond that, BUT with the caveat or plausible excuse that provision of information early on allows government to fix their computers first ahead of others.

 

One example they mention is Microsoft....

 

Read on.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:43 | 3657236 Yen Cross
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  When the (MIC) invites perps in.?  I'm running for the exit door.   

    I love my country! I love my countrys' Flag.    The people that divide, and play the "one size fits all" 12 hamburger eating 'DMV' scum?

 

         I'll take a [ bakers dozen of jelly donuts] .,

   Signed, Retarded Jr.

 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:46 | 3657240 Things that go bump
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I recently changed over to CenturyLink. When they asked me for my SS number, I gave them the bogus one I use in such instances, as I don't care to give out my social security number to anyone other than my employer. The customer service rep immediately said, nope, that is a wrong number. They are hooked right into the government data banks. 

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:12 | 3657293 Jim in MN
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Was it 1234-666-4321?

Cuz I use that one too.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:28 | 3658402 Kobe Beef
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Isn't that one of Barry Soetero's SSNs?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 03:29 | 3657365 ebworthen
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Does "867-5309" work for your phone number?

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 04:15 | 3657426 Dr. Sandi
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I keep dialing but Jenny is never there.

I think she's avoiding me.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:50 | 3657242 panicearly
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Atleast now i know that I'm not a paranoid schizophrenic. phew!

But how to get these voices to stop?

 

A recently unclassified report from the Pentagon from 1998 has revealed an investigation into using laser beams for a few intriguing potential methods of non-lethal torture. Some of the applications the report investigated include putting voices in people's heads, using lasers to trigger uncontrolled neuron firing, and slowly heating the human body to a point of feverish confusion - all from hundreds of meters away.

A US citizen requested access to the document, entitled "Bioeffects of Selected Non-Lethal Weapons," under the Freedom of Information Act a little over a year ago. There is no evidence that any of the technologies mentioned in the 10-year-old report have been developed since the time it was written.

http://phys.org/news122567894.html

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:46 | 3657243 WAMO556
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Monopolies!

Anti-trust!

The best way to predict the future? INVENT IT. And that is exactly what these traitors have been doing. How do you think we keep getting these really fucked laws, judges opinions that are totally fucking contrary to THE LAW OF THE LAND, banks that go from "to big to fail" to "to big to jail"?

Shadow government!

Once again we get Eric Holder in the middle of this shit storm, Obama was holding the traitor Holders hand while this shit was going down.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:53 | 3657258 otto skorzeny
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everyone thought Ashcroft was a sack of shit-I can't wait to see the next AG.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:55 | 3657323 earleflorida
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gonzales, rumsfeld and cheney (libby and that chinese /korean guy who crafted the entire manuscript[just wish i could remember his name-- Yoo?, but whoever, whatever it is he now teaches at UC Berkley) hated ashcroft! ashcroft had his faults as does anyone, but he [ashcroft] always fought tooth and nail with bush#43 and his crony henchmen! Always battling 100% +/+ and always stood his ground upholding the constitution and bill-of-rights...even as his opinion and presense at closed-door meetings were denied himself!!! The humiliation he went through was intolerable, period!

note: he was in the hospital with acute gall bladder problems and nearly died when he was almost forced to sign the paper's/ documents for cheneys, rumsfeld, and gonzales nefarious/ clandestine civil rights abuse/ giving up rights of habeus corpus/ and guantanamo & dark sites... and FISA (warrantless Wiretaps)!    

"Conscience of a Conservative" by Jeffery Rosen 9/9/07    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/09/magazine/09rosen.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 04:16 | 3657427 Treason Season
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On edit

...everyone KNEW Ashcroft was a sack of shit-I can't wait to see the next AG.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:56 | 3657264 Yen Cross
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  Just a thought. You have some good ideas. 

"Imagine this"...   Prom Night, purse cam.  Lot's devirginised HOES. (sp.)

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:10 | 3657290 Ignatius
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"The best way to predict the future? INVENT IT."

"Waiting For 7"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwJMRgcLs0

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:52 | 3657256 Ms. Erable
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The deeper this gets, the more rope is needed.

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 01:32 | 3657320 sosoome
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Leave a thief alone long enough, and he will furnish his own rope.

I get the feeling we are watching such an event as we speak

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:56 | 3657262 Bear
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Where are all the Special Investigators (with subpoena power)

Fri, 06/14/2013 - 00:59 | 3657269 Yen Cross
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   Bear:  If you aren't long Aussie, I'm gonna feed you to the " BOX Jellys"! Bitchz

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