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Internet Companies Begin Revealing Extent Of Government Snooping

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This Friday's night tape bomb came not from the administration, which may have run out of scandals and wars to reveal for the time being, but from FaceBook which late in the evening disclosed the extent to which it has been cooperating with the government in spying on its users. Which also changes the public narrative built upon a pyramid of lies and secrecy one more time - recall how one week ago the company tried to wash its hands one weeks ago when Mark Zuckerberg said that "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers." Just indirect.

So in what was spun to be a rebellious act by a private company, long-cooperating secretly with the government, FaceBook's general councel posted on the company's news blog that the company is releasing data "including all national security requests." In doing so FB became the first US internet company to reveal the extent of official US government demands to hand over information, including confidential, about its users.

From Ted Ullyot, FB general counsel:

Over the last week, in press statements as well as Mark’s post last Friday, we’ve repeatedly called for governments worldwide to be willing to provide more details about programs aimed at keeping the public safe. We’ve also urged them to allow companies to divulge appropriate information about government orders and requests that we receive, in a manner that does not compromise legitimate security concerns.


Requests from law enforcement entities investigating national security-related cases are by their nature classified and highly sensitive, and the law traditionally has placed significant constraints on the ability of companies like Facebook to even confirm or acknowledge receipt of these requests – let alone provide details of our responses.


We’ve reiterated in recent days that we scrutinize every government data request that we receive – whether from state, local, federal, or foreign governments. We’ve also made clear that we aggressively protect our users’ data when confronted with such requests: we frequently reject such requests outright, or require the government to substantially scale down its requests, or simply give the government much less data than it has requested. And we respond only as required by law.


But particularly in light of continued confusion and inaccurate reporting related to this issue, we’ve advocated for the ability to say even more.

Odd how the company did not advocate the ability to say more before this scandal broke out. Could it have something to do with the fact that the company is suddenly experiencing an exodus of users who have no interest in being part of a confirmed spy game?

So just what does Facebook's post-facto transparency initiative reveal?

We’re pleased that as a result of our discussions, we can now include in a transparency report all U.S. national security-related requests (including FISA as well as National Security Letters) – which until now no company has been permitted to do. As of today, the government will only authorize us to communicate about these numbers in aggregate, and as a range. This is progress, but we’re continuing to push for even more transparency, so that our users around the world can understand how infrequently we are asked to provide user data on national security grounds.


For the six months ending December 31, 2012, the total number of user-data requests Facebook received from any and all government entities in the U.S. (including local, state, and federal, and including criminal and national security-related requests) – was between 9,000 and 10,000. These requests run the gamut – from things like a local sheriff trying to find a missing child, to a federal marshal tracking a fugitive, to a police department investigating an assault, to a national security official investigating a terrorist threat. The total number of Facebook user accounts for which data was requested pursuant to the entirety of those 9-10 thousand requests was between 18,000 and 19,000 accounts.

In other words FB is taking the "look how rarely we hand over all your information to the government, so you must acquit route." Oh, and ignore that we are only disclosing this tiny fraction of privacy betrayal after everyone went "hyperbolic" on us. Yes, they really used that word:

With more than 1.1 billion monthly active users worldwide, this means that a tiny fraction of one percent of our user accounts were the subject of any kind of U.S. state, local, or federal U.S. government request (including criminal and national security-related requests) in the past six months. We hope this helps put into perspective the numbers involved, and lays to rest some of the hyperbolic and false assertions in some recent press accounts about the frequency and scope of the data requests that we receive.


We will continue to be vigilant in protecting our users’ data from unwarranted government requests, and we will continue to push all governments to be as transparent as possible.

One wonders why press accounts may have been hyperbolic: perhaps it has something to do with the complete cloak of secrecy that PRISM has been operating under, and the trickle of information exposing just how symbiotic private corporations have been in handing over user secrets in exchange for money or other confidential data: one massive information interchange between the ruling apparatus and a select few individuals at America's most prominent internet companies. How dare the media resort to "hyperbolic assertions" indeed.

As for Facebook's "push" for transparency, and not just in terms of its user profiles being transparented to the NSA, we are confident the company will continue doing so... as more information dissemination secrets are revealed, and as more lies are exposed.

Finally, with Facebook so vocally (if a little late) unleashing the "transparency movement" late on Friday, Microsoft was next... almost as if completely coordinated.

Microsoft later said that for the last six months of 2012 it received between 6,000 and 7,000 criminal and national security warrants, subpoenas and orders affecting between 31,000 and 32,000 consumer accounts, Reuters reported.

Well, thanks for stepping up guys. We are confident that even without Snowden's revelations you would have done right with your clients regardless.


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Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:37 | 3660715 francis_sawyer
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The most transparent public spying user forum in HISTORY!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:39 | 3660725 francis_sawyer
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<== I don't mind that Zuckerberg gives all my bio & uploaded fotos to .gov [as long as I'm not doing anything wrong]

<== Fuck you Zuckerberg you mother fucking fuck...

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:48 | 3660746 TeamDepends
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What is Facelock trading at these days?  Still laughing at you fools who bought stock in a company that produces nothing except virtual groping.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:14 | 3660789 LetThemEatRand
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You can lead a sheep to Facebook, and make it drink.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:28 | 3660910 Spider
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Of course those government request numbers are correct because Zuckerberg wouldnt lie to us...

Now, lets see facebook include all those "direct" access requests by the government - y'know the direct connections to facebook servers

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:38 | 3661029 nmewn
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"Microsoft later said that for the last six months of 2012 it received between 6,000 and 7,000 criminal and national security warrants, subpoenas and orders affecting between 31,000 and 32,000 consumer accounts, Reuters reported."

Talk about "compounding interest"...because clearly, not knowing one is communicating with someone who is a suspect, makes you a suspect as well.

So lets just troll through thirty two thousand, we might come up with somebody cutting grass on the weekend or selling lemonade or doing unwanted hair removal, then we can turn over those "criminals" to the IRS for further investigation.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:46 | 3661156 Paveway IV
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All user account information means passwords, too - they have unfettered, direct access to that many accounts aside from the capability to monitor activity on them real-time. 

Since eMail and Social Media providers have taken to using carefully chosen Weasel-Word language, we can assume anything they just said somehow obscures a larger, more meaningful set of numbers. Did they already provide 500K accounts each during the time before July of 2012? They don't need to keep asking for previously-revealed account holder's information. So they're saying they sent 30K or so ADDIDITIONAL accounts to the government in the last six months of 2012? Who cares. How many have they sent in total up until now?

Notably absent in the gang of thieves denials or scripted diversionary numbers are the largest broadband internet providers. AT&T/Yahoo!, CenturyLink, Charter, Comcast, Cox, TimeWarner, Verizon. No doubt they whored out their cosutomer's personal information long time ago. 

Whether PRISM or some other spookware, the NSA want's to be able to trace every account back to an actual person. They can't do that without knowing broadband providers' customer data and activity logs. If they have those, then it doesn't matter what kind of privacy tricks you use - the NSA will simply siphon off every single packet you send and recieve and piece together where you've been and what you've been doing. 

Only the government is allowed to keep secrets. Peons never really had the chance. 


Sat, 06/15/2013 - 15:11 | 3661184 RockyRacoon
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Does it make ya wonder what ZH hands over?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:19 | 3661367 Paveway IV
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Why would it matter? Although they could, the NSA probably isn't going to start tracking someone just because of their ZH presence. Why bother getting 10,000 eternal warrants for every last tinfoil hat site on the internet? If they can get 99% of what they need with 150 eternal warrants to the biggest telcos/providers/sites, then that's what they're going to do. 

If the NSA wants to track you at all for any reason, then they're going to try to get to the device ID and subscriber ID for your phone and internet. With that, they can see every time you call or access the internet, every one you call or message. Every web site you visit. And, if they cared, the ZeroHedge ID you used. You would never know one way or the other if they could or did demand user info from ZH because that would come with a threat to ZH that they will be microwave dessicated in a FEMA industrial oven if they tell anyone about such a request.

NSA owns the network and the U.S. can bully most western governments for any similar subscriber information they want. Why? Because the other governments are 'bribed' by being supplied with information they want but don't have the capability to collect. The NSA, at the very least, has total access to the British, German and Australian network backbones and are willingly provided with such by the respective governments. The price is to do a little snooping for them, too.



Sat, 06/15/2013 - 18:01 | 3661429 espirit
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Yes, no, yes, no, no, no...

Well, maybe a "little" bit.

Riiiight! Fucking liars.


Sun, 06/16/2013 - 14:53 | 3663037 mkhs
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All this talk about warrants.  How many unwarranted, besides all?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 16:56 | 3661338 underman
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Sure, bring "missing children" into the lies.  I shut down my page last month. 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:46 | 3660937 Kirk2NCC1701
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Don't get mad, get even:

And pass the word. IMO there is no better way to repay them. And then watch them squirm, or worse.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:20 | 3660995 Blano
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How do you know they don't have back doors to all this stuff too??

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 16:37 | 3661316 Kirk2NCC1701
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We don't. But it is very unlikely, if they are open source and non-US.

In any case, raising their cost (manpower) and lowering the profits of the current Big Collaborators is the key.

Doing 'nothing', in the name of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) most certainly plays into their hands 100%.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 18:33 | 3661494 g'kar
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HTTPS web search and webmail (beta testing)


I signed up for beta testing for startmail, haven't heard back yet

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:40 | 3660728 TeamDepends
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They will run out of fingers to stick in the dyke in 3 2 1....

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:44 | 3660734 jbvtme
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he said to a disappointed janet napolitano

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:47 | 3660744 SWRichmond
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They admit they were lying before, but I am sure they are not lying now...


Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:19 | 3660897 MiltonFriedmans...
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Who believes? Certainly not I. I suspect the Feds have secret file on virtually every US citizen. They may data mine at a rate of 1% for now, but that rate is subject to change and very likely will rise in the near future, as the FEMA camps are populated.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:00 | 3660765 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes, it's funny until you realize that Napolitano has turned the upper echelons of the DHS into a Tyranny Of Fags.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:34 | 3660823 Lost Word
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Was that a reference to the spy program Echelon ?

How much NSA spying on public, outside of corporate complicity ?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:14 | 3660890 Buckaroo Banzai
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No, I was referring to executive management of DHS

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:06 | 3660767 FlipFlop
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It seems that ZH crowd is shocked about invasion of privacy.

However, majority seems like being dumb fucks, quoting Zuckerberg. They are still demanding more surveillance as cameras help to find some trivial wrong doers. Eh, they have nothing to hide, so let the .gov find out about their sexual preferences...

There was recently a robbery in a store and bad guys were captured as their faces were revealed by some spy camera foto.

A vast majority of commentators demanded more cameras and shit.

How is it possible that general public has become such a bunch of absolute morons? Conditioning? Long term education by schools, TV etc?

Robission Crusoe seems to be the only option remaining?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:13 | 3660788 francis_sawyer
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"It seems that ZH crowd is shocked about invasion of privacy."


It doesn't sound like it to me... According to the poll avove, there are AT LEAST 6 [at last count] water totin' Zuckerberg sychophants who dig getting spied on...

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:07 | 3660875 Nevermore Peabody
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I not really shocked now, but now that it's not just for the tin hat crowed, I feel safe in displaying this outrage.


When I deleted facebook over a year ago over this stuff, and Brandon Raub(?) getting arrested and put in the ward for facebook posts, everyone told me *I* was the crazy one.


Who's crazy now, ya lizard people shape changers from Neptune?!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:50 | 3660952 FlipFlop
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Sorry, there is a crucial mistake here. No wonder my post is misunderstood.

It seems that ONLY ZR crowd is shocked, where the general public loves being spied, demands more spying, finds spying as a positive public good, and loves spying others.

The aim seems to be to medicate populations brain activity asymptotically to zero so they are easy to govern. They will sit in a room until told otherwise. They demand being spying while sitting there and everyone else finds spying the guy useful.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:29 | 3661011 Bananamerican
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"How is it possible that general public has become such a bunch of absolute morons? Conditioning? Long term education by schools, TV etc?"

my 11 year old neice is a budding author...Her newest ebook features: a mean girl, a cute boy and....terrorists™

And, yes, Lockdown Fever™ is sweeping amerikan education these days because 911 and all these School Shooters™ have changed everything™ so if you See Something, Say Something™ the parents of a 7 year old we see it ALL

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:42 | 3661034 FlipFlop
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And hey, I am American. I live in place where STASI/DDR implementation is far beyond you can imagine.

America is still very good society compared some other socialist shit holes. None of ZHs would probably not tolerate some more state centric surveillance states.

Here, noone even protests as peasants find surveillance good, something to be increased.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 15:07 | 3661177 francis_sawyer
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Well ~ If you hadn't noticed...

ZH has now, 'officially' become 'CHEERS' [with a Bloomberg Terminal]... as is evident by the above 'Zuckerberg' sychophants...


With MsCreant, fonz, & kito all leading the charge to a 'kinder, more gentler, disposition' towards Bangladeshi's who are raping you in the ass...

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 18:07 | 3661442 espirit
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@ francis

Be careful of the Bangladeshi Anti-Defamation League, lol.

(I got your 6)

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:22 | 3661001 Blano
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Long term INDOCTRINATION by schools, TV, etc?

There, fixed it for ya.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 22:19 | 3661827 Georgiabelle
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"How is it possible that general public has become such a bunch of absolute morons? Conditioning? Long term education by schools, TV etc?" -------Read "Nudge" by Cass Sunstein, the Obama appointed dirceotr of OIRA and husband of Samantha Power, our new Ambassador to the UN. This guy is a flat-out lunatic and he is in charge of the Office of Informaiton and Regulatory Affairs. Scary stuff. Here is just one of his many "gems":

"In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live? Without taxes, there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public… There is no liberty without dependency.[26]"

Read his bio, and his wife's as well. Obama has filled the US government with as many of these cultural Marxists as possible. They hold virtually every cabinet post and most higher-level positions at every government agency. We are so screwed. 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:54 | 3660854 Midasking
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Would love to see the internet companies come out and expose the whole thing.. what are they afraid of?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:38 | 3660717 dick cheneys ghost
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Paranoid Empire

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:38 | 3660722 Spastica Rex
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Fuck you, NSA.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:38 | 3660723 jbvtme
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between the tsa, the nsa and the drones i'm feeling a bit irritated

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:51 | 3660753 machineh
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... plus the FSA (the Fucking Syrian Affliction)

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:41 | 3660729 dwdollar
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Why should they have any credibility?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:41 | 3660730 One And Only
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"They trust me — dumb fucks,"

-Direct quote from Mark Zuckerburg talking about facebook users.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:42 | 3660731 Doctor of Reality
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I just don't care anymore. TPTB have had decades to test their policies and when faced with failure, they double down. The policies on the Left that have merit are ridiculed by the Right and vice versa. Do ANY socialist-progressives (with a brain) on the Left believe we can endlessly fund a welfare state on the backs of the hard working? Do ANY fascist-progressives on the Right believe we can fight endless wars without blowback/fatigue?

My (our) EDUCATED opinions don't matter to anyone in power, so why bother anymore? I'm with God. All else is window dressing.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:44 | 3660736 Spastica Rex
Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:45 | 3660740 falak pema
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thanks for leaving me Aphrodite! 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 15:44 | 3661240 Jorgen
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Gawd, I'm glad my wife & I don't have kids.

Me, too.

Dwindling white population of the U.S. (and the World in general).

And Pat Buchanan's interview.

My point being here is that consindering the demographic trends in the U.S., the country will continue going in the statist left direction. This is exactly what Pat Buchanan has been saying for years.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:44 | 3660738 Doctor of Reality
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They've been watching us for YEARS! How many "terrorists" have they caught? Oh wait... that's classified. We all know this spy grid is about CONTROL and not safety.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:14 | 3660888 Nevermore Peabody
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Especially when the number of sting operations that are boarder-line -- hell, OUTRIGHT entrapment issues outnumber the actual threats...


It's like the infomercials where they invent a problem, and sell you the solution.


They're inventing these terror threats, and "solving" them.  Damn fine detective work, FBI. Who do these jokers think they're kidding?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:42 | 3661035 zhandax
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We all know this spy grid is about CONTROL and not safety.

Why can't the fucktards fit this between their ears?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:23 | 3661119 Esso
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"Why can't the fucktards fit this between their ears?"

Because deep down they just know that Lord Commander Hopey Changey is going to make it all better.

Maybe in 2016 we'll elect a new Savior to save us from the previous Savior.

Gawd, I'm glad my wife & I don't have kids.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 21:39 | 3661769 bunnyswanson
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Loser?  We are almost there.  shut up.  Go hide under your bed, stay on the porch.  the worst part of it are people like you who would send the children into a life of utter misery because if this goes on, there aren't going to be ~any~ Americans who come out of this alive, unless they hold dual citizenship with Israel.   Yellowbelly (Copthorne)
 Yellowbelly (Copthorne)

A yellowbelly is a native-born resident of Copthorne, West Sussex, England. The origin of this nickname is lost in history, but a number of explanations have been offered in "Copthorne - a story so far", the book written for the village's Millennium Celebrations, in the chapter by Joy Day entitled Traditions and Characters. These include:

* The Gypsies on the common traditionally placed a gold sovereign on the belly buttons of new-born children
* The early Saxons living in this area would use yellow ochre found in the local clay to colour the walls of their homes
* Bellies became yellow due to crawling through the fields of buttercups whilst poaching
* In a local iron quarry the men became covered in yellow dust
* Any outsider wishing to marry a Copthorne girl had to cross their prospective bride's belly with gold sovereigns
* Copthorne Rovers (football club) were known as Yellow Bellies, and it was from the footballers that the nickname came into being
* The old villagers wore gold strapped to their bellies
* There was also a slanderous story perpetuated by the residents of the neighbouring village Crawley Down who queried in which direction certain unmentionable lavatorial ablutions were carried out
* Because smugglers would run away (afraid) if they thought they were likely to be caught
* They used to smelt iron and make charcoal in the woods around Copthorne, they used to strip to the waist and their skins turned yellow in the smoke

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:42 | 3660733 NidStyles
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I would be more impressed if they started releasing the names of whom the government has been after so we can see what sort of person they are relly after, as I doubt they are the people that the average sheep considers to be a terrorist.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:04 | 3660771 Bad Attitude
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There are lists of terrorist convictions around the web gleaned from DOJ press releases and news reports. Who is beng investigated may be difficult to find, but who is convicted is easy to find.

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to ascertain the common attributes of the overwhelming majority of these terrorism convictions. (Hint: Dear Leader bends over backward to help them.)

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:13 | 3660983 Telemakhos
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You've piqued my interest with that; I'd like to know whom you had in mind by "bends over backward to help them," since (frankly) that could mean any number of groups depending on the sentiment of the day or depending on who's data you're looking at or what you want to consider "terrorism."  My favorite interpretation would be that he's bending over to help the often-convicted "terrorists" of eastern Louisiana, for which see the third paragraph below.

This WaPo infographic on terrorism convictions shows that the Bush was more active at prosecuting terrorists captured overseas than the Obama administration (through 2011).

If you count not only overseas-captures but anyone called a "terrorist," your numbers change depending on who's telling the story, from 500 down to 300 down to "that can't be right." This article makes a good point about moving the goalposts by redefining "terrorism": your conviction rates are higher if you consider more crimes to be "terrorism."

The best (i.e. most comprehensive) stats on where "terrorists" are captured and how to break down the charges into subcategories (including domestic vs. international "terrorism") seem to be in Syracuse University's reports.  The Eastern district of Louisiana tries an absurd number of terrorism cases (were there really six "terrorists" convicted in Louisiana in Fiscal Year 2013?).  This makes me wonder again just what is being considered "terrorism" and if the definition varies widely from district to district; it may be that these numbers are not particularly meaningful unless disaggregated into regions with similar definitions of "terrorism."

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:44 | 3660737 falak pema
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how much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck FB/Micrsoft wood?

Need you ask in the digital age, these wood chucks would just suck in everything, like caviar from lake Caspian.  

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:45 | 3660742 Seasmoke
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Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:48 | 3660743 RaceToTheBottom
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FB is for cat pictures anyway.


No wonder the prick always wears a hoodie.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:50 | 3660751 involuntarilybirthed
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The IRS scandal was the linchpin that broke the citizens complete trust in our government (all inclusive).  Now adding NSA, all things forward will be measured with that in mind.  There is no until, too much damage done.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:51 | 3660752 Dr. No
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FBookers post their life story on line and it is considered a scandal data is given to the gov?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:04 | 3660769 Buckaroo Banzai
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Yes, it is a scandal.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:25 | 3661377 Kirk2NCC1701
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Actually, when it comes to FB, employers use it more frequently and with far more damage, when they use it to fire or not hire someone.

Keep it like a sparse, boring room. And adjust your privacy settings with employers in mind. Toward that end, you get 'dinged' if you spend an inordinate amount of time on FB. Questionable priorities in work-life balance.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 21:58 | 3661800 bunnyswanson
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No, we share the news on the feed.  How else do you think everyone realizes what is going on?  We use the FB newsfeed.  We are warned, blocked, prevented from commenting but goddam it, it is a place to get the news.  Comments are posted with other links.  It's a goddam gold mine of information.  This is my newsfeed.  Take a look.  It is nothing but news, riots, billls presented, cops gone wild, it's all here. 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:53 | 3660756 Tinky
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Disinegnuous. ALL data is being captured and stored for possible future use, so to claim that only xthousand warrants were received and processed misses the whole point of the recent revelations.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:57 | 3660762 Jim B
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Agreed, it just a game of parsing words!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:06 | 3660775 Buckaroo Banzai
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Not only is that data being stored, it's being mined.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:51 | 3660844 SIOP
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They are telling us what they are complying to, what they aren't telling us is that ALL network traffic is being stored for future mining. Now, does Google, Facebook and web service providers everywhere across the nation legally need to report this? No, because it isn't happening within their networks. So sure these guys are going to come out and try to save face, without fear of lying(think lawsuits) because in fact their not, AND, if it is within their networks, such as at AT&T, they happily allow the government to secretly install network splitters all the while remaining "innocent" since they are not aware of it.

Pretty nice and convenient for all parties involved. (except you and I who still feel the Constitution is a cherished document)

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:52 | 3660955 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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… And in the secret room was equipment by a private company called Narus, the very small company hardly anybody has ever heard of that created the hardware and the software to analyze these cables and then pick out the targets NSA is looking for and then forward the targeted communications onto NSA headquarters.”

In James Bamford’s 2008 interview, he mentions two Israeli companies, Narus and Verint, that almost nobody knew about. They played a key role in developing and selling the technology that allowed NSA to deploy its PRISM spying program:"

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:56 | 3661414 Paveway IV
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The Drug Enforcement Administration was the first to deploy Verint snoopers on the AT&T backbone in 1997. Dozens of agencies have deployed them since then. The Verint software and equipment had to be operated by Verint personnel who would forward the information to the requesting agency - DEA, CIA, etc. Some information was making its way back to Israeli Intellignece. Israeli drug gangs operating in New York and Los Angeles were getting tips on who the DEA was investigating or going to bust. The problem with these sytems is that someone always has a backdoor (Verint insisted otherwise). Verint developed their wiretapping systems with the help of generous R&D grants from Israeli Intelligence. Go figure. They don't need any backdoors today - they just call their 'partner', the NSA and say "Hey spookboy, fetch me some data on Joe Sixpack"

The NSA's PRISM is just an evolution - fusion - of backbone phone and internet snooping devices that NSA uses. It's not the only one - it's just one huge government one that CNN just heard about. The FBI,CIA and god knows who else has their own incarnations of snoopware systems. And every big company has a mini-Verint and Narus on their corporate network by now. 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:27 | 3660912 MiltonFriedmans...
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+1 Tinky, that is the point that must be driven home.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:54 | 3660758 Ralph Spoilsport
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There's going to be a fight. Do you understand yet?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:56 | 3660760 Red Raspberry
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FireFox NSA spy site checker


you too ZeroHedge????

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:58 | 3661417 Aurora Ex Machina
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"Dark Side of the Prism" uses Pink Floyd's aural prism (Dark Side of the Moon) as a playlist to the NSA's tracking efforts, serving as an auditory reminder of how our online activities are surveilled.

When visiting any URLs that have been (publicly) targeted by Prism, a small notification will appear alerting that this site is being surveilled. You will then be presented with an ethereal Pink Floyd track from the "Dark Side of the Moon" album. [Firefox plugin]


Thinking that ZH isn't being targeted, given the demographic is woefully naive.


Brazil is seeing massive protests at the moment (useful) and Turkey is live kicking off. They went after the 5 star Divan hotel (read out on Turkish TV: ""Divan hotel had 5 stars. They deserve the crescent and the star."), and (reportedly) German MP Claudia Roth has been CS'd, making it somewhat of an international incident (she wasn't in the protests, merely staying at the hotel). So, choice time it would seem for Turkey - the AKP has gone batshitcrazypants double-down. Children have been CS'd, and opposition MPs have a few beatings. It's not looking pretty.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:59 | 3660763 Jim B
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Max and Stacy examine Prisim in the first part of the show, very entertaining!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 10:59 | 3660764 q99x2
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It is 8am. Why the fuck am I up reading about NSA and fuckbook fuckerberg mother fucker. I'm going back to bed.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:02 | 3660766 Downtoolong
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Mark Zuckerberg: "Facebook is not and has never been part of any program to give the US or any other government direct access to our servers."

Sheryl Sandberg: “Uh Mark, there’s something I’ve been meaning to tell you we’ve been doing….you know, for the children.”

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:37 | 3660928 RaceToTheBottom
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Was she leaning in when she said that?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:06 | 3661095 WillyGroper
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SS: We're leaning in.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:06 | 3660774 alien-IQ
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Imagine for a moment how useful Facebook has been to a program called "Main Core". While news of the existence of this program has been around for quite some time, it has managed to avoid making it's way to the masses.

Here's a few sentences from an article about it:
"Are you on the list? Are you one of the millions of Americans that have been designated a threat to national security by the U.S. government? Will you be subject to detention when martial law is imposed during a major national emergency? As you will see below, there is actually a list that contains the names of at least 8 million Americans known as Main Core that the U.S. intelligence community has been compiling since the 1980s."

"It turns out that the U.S. government is not just gathering information on all of us. The truth is that the U.S. government has used this information to create a list of threats to national security that the government would potentially watch, question or even detain during a national crisis. If you have ever been publicly critical of the government, there is a very good chance that you are on that list."

You can read more about it here:

And as you read, you will see how perfect facebook really is for this type of information gathering.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:51 | 3660779 Downtoolong
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Finally, we see a way that Facebook might be able to deliver on its $100 billion promise to investors. For just $19.95 per month, you can buy a preferred membership that provides you with weekly updates of the NSA’s CLASSIFICATION of you, based on the data on your Facebook page.  And just in case you get CLASSIFED AS A TERRORIST (for some inexplicable reason which Facebook takes no responsibility for), and you’re not happy about that, our tech consultants will help you interface with the NSA to try and rectify the situation for the low price of $249.99 per hour.


“You get the best results when industry and government work together”. That’s not just our new Facebook slogan; that’s our vision of the future.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:09 | 3660780 Petrus Romanus
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Facebook question: I do not use facebook but look at fan pages for different things occasionally. While doing this I have never seen an advertisement on any page. So, the question is; how does Facebook make money? Do you have to be signed in to see advertisements? It costs nothing to create a page and post whatever you post. And I believe that I have read that the privacy policy says that all information posted becomes their property. So they can data mine and sell information but I have also seen rcently that personal information is changing hands for $0.0075. This leads back to, how do they make money? Unless they are using the quoted price and conducting trillions upon trillions of transactions I do not see how the company generates revenue or justifies any market value.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:16 | 3660792 alien-IQ
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I have used an ad-blocker program for years. I never see any ads for anything anywhere including here on ZH. (and I've never had a FB account...and never will)

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:08 | 3660878 SIOP
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Facebook does have ad's. Not sure why you dont see any.

Interesting, I just now viisted a few facbook pages and I see no ad's either, I do not have a facebook account so maybe thats why? also, I do use AdBlock on my Firefox browser.

I just tied the same thing using Internet Explorer and see no ad's...... interesting.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:14 | 3660782 blindman
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it never gets old, lapping up "information" from known
unreliable and fraudulent sources. that is power,
to boldly lie and have the victims of your lies beg
for more; presented as an aside comment/observation.
now, back to what counsel has to say ......

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:11 | 3660783 SeeNoEvil
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Most transparent, open , honest adminstration yeah right. ! Fuk Obozo , fuckerburg an the rest of the criminals in Wash DC 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:29 | 3660811 Vooter
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SHOW US THE LISTS, FACEBOOK AND MICROSOFT. And until then, you traitorous, subhuman scum, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:34 | 3660822 The man with po...
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As an advocate of tyranny and for the oppression of the people, I firmly agree with what Facebook has done, by pretending to be on the side of freedom and liberty it will continue to be a pawn used by the government...

At least Mark Zuckerberg's soul is still mine!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:12 | 3661108 el Gallinazo
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"At least Mark Zuckerberg's soul is still mine!"

Only if Satan rehypotheticated it.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:54 | 3661163 The man with po...
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Do you know who I am?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:57 | 3660830 ThisIsBob
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Facebook =  Looking for love in all the wrong places.


Its a pretty dumb-ass malefactor who speaks of his plans on the internets or the phones.   

Of course the government knows this, and although they use the word "security" a whole lot, they are not really trying to blow the whistle on crime, they are trying to blow the whistle on dissent.



Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:41 | 3660834 PeaceLover
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Facebook is more invasive than spam or backdoor Trojans.

Just create a business card with a made up e-mail    ""  substituting  "madeupmail" for a valid e-mail you can check

Put it on a business card and watch how many requests come to you from Face-book.

From people that if you call said I didn't send you a friend request.

And when you see the linkage it should spook you.... because the people that now have the data,
are a little like congressmen more about money that you.

They(facebook) go to the end users computer mailing list and then send out spam.
They use the excuse you gave them premission to import your contact list.
Kind of like a lover saying don't worry I am wearing a condom, but kind of skips telling you it has holes in it.

And we made this hack a Billionaire

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:49 | 3660841 holdbuysell
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Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:51 | 3660843 random shots
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This a society that has given up privacy over the last ten years willingly and for free (myspace, facebook, etc.). And now we bitch about privacy? This is like when a fourteen year old gets pissed at their parents for checking their facebook page...Don't post in a public forum!

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:14 | 3661107 ebworthen
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Governments are like teenagers as you can assume they are:

  1. Lying to you.
  2. Stealing something from you.
  3. Doing things they shouldn't behind your back.

Most teenagers come to their senses and grow up - governments never do.

Government tends to attract individuals of juvenile character and comportment.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:19 | 3661114 IndyPat
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If I don't use those you still consider my laptop cellphone, banking records, credit card purchases and God knows what else... A public forum? You are right partially and accidentally right and very very wrong at the same time.
Don't let that camels nose under the fucking tent...and now that its in the tent...camel is on the menu.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 19:09 | 3661576 random shots
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I place a great value in privacy and do not willingly give it away as many in my generation do.  I am a big believer of the 4th amendment and I am against unreasonable search and seizures.  Short of the authorities breaking in my door without probable cause or taking me away in the middle of the night without a trace I am good. 

What will the NSA find out about me and my online habits? I watch porn, I work in finance, I don't do drugs, and I do not buy shit that may be used to blow up this country. I got a bigger problem with Google knowing my habits than the government.

Now, if the government decides they can break in my door without probably cause or take me away in the middle of the night then give me a sign and lets get to protesting. 

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 19:34 | 3661613 GreatUncle
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Hey there is another normal human being out there ...

Or are we just the nerds, geeks and psychos government keeps telling everybody.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:20 | 3661115 IndyPat
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Double post

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 11:53 | 3660852 BurningBetty
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The ship is taking in order not to be dragged down with it, FB(probably the first out of many), is getting rid of dead weight before it's to late.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:04 | 3660871 WTFUD
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Suckerburg is a disgrace to the badboy hoodie! How the fuck can you prance around with attitude whilst bending over for .Gov.

Rather than having 10 Goldie Sachs stooges bombarding you with ' how to make cash from the sheep ' and increase your share price wouldn't be more sensible to have street cred and loyalty from said sheep for the long term success of the brand.

He really is dumb thinking Wall Street and .Gov are the way forward.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:52 | 3660956 MiltonFriedmans...
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Isn't he a cheese pope?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 19:55 | 3661636 bunnyswanson
bunnyswanson's picture Napolean Bonazuck gives Fuckbook mission and breaks into a cold sweat like a criminal on the run.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:09 | 3660880 Fuku Ben
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This is a good small example of what will start to happen when the globalist scum begin to be prosecuted. The whole complicit criminal organization and its corporate partners will rat each other out faster than the speed of light to cover their own asses. This in turn will provide all the evidence needed to end their reign of terror.

Someone at some high level of authority or some group will need to kick the whole thing off and it will collapse like a pyramid of cards.

They likely won't go down without a fight that could get quite ugly.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 12:37 | 3660926 Seorse Gorog fr...
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Glorified facebook stalking. I do it all the time.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:20 | 3660993 U4 eee aaa
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On the other hand, what we give to our advertisers.....

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:29 | 3661016 syntaxterror
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The login screen for Facebook that an NSA squid sees is different than the login screen you see. Their screen has text box for name, ssn, address, phone number, or email and a GO button.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:39 | 3661030 notadouche
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I wonder if the Winklevoss twins take Zuck's word for it.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 13:51 | 3661062 tony bonn
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facebook is a bunch of nazi scum.....and of course all of their nazi spying is "for your protection." fuck you fb cunts....same goes for microsoft, amazon, verizon, att, google

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:02 | 3661082 ebworthen
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So they're under court order not to reveal government spying operations but they're going to reaveal "infrequent" requests?


Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:10 | 3661103 IndyPat
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And when this is used to cover gross criminal acts, how's that not obstruction of justice, exactly?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:08 | 3661096 IndyPat
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I think it works something like:
These self reported numbers represent data that a warrant was obtained for.
THEY LOOK AT ALL THE DATA, then get warrants for what they want to act on.
See how that works?

It's kind of like, say, giving a shit ton of weapons to "rebel" outfits then trumping up the reason at some future date for why you did it back then. It's all so much bullshit. But it doesn't let them off the hook. You took the data and you sifted it illegally then got warrants using probable cause derived from ILLEGAL SPYING to get what you consider a legal warrant. And Facebook knows this. Planning to snoop data is a crime. Snopping it is a crime. Passing it to a judge as probable cause is a crime. Covering up what you are doing is a crime. Lying about it is a crime. And finally, conspiring, aiding and colluding with a criminal is a fucking crime.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 14:24 | 3661121 smacker
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In the quotes above, Facebook's lawyers only provide details of "formal requests" for user info. Nothing is mentioned about non-informal requests and whether the NSA & Co have privileged logins which provide access to parts of the system that regular users don't have, thru which they can trawl anything, eg: the sort of logins normally associated with a webmaster etc.

Given that, I'm inclined to the view that Facebook are lying thru their teeth.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 15:45 | 3661248 WHATDIFFERENCED...

Why  doesnt FB just post a red, blue, yellow dot by our names, that way we know where our future living quarters will be when the shtf and prepare accordingly.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 15:45 | 3661249 boeing747
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If Obamao still refused to goto war with Syria, then MSMs will release more sh@its.


Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:35 | 3661386 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Jackpot!

He's balancing the goals of his and Michelle's social agenda, and that of his Neocon/NWO globalist bosses.

These hidden rulers keep swapping Dems and Repubs, so that their respective supporters promote either the social or geopolitical objectives.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 16:38 | 3661317 Lucius Corneliu...
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If there is not a warrant for specific information about an individual with probable cause and signed by a judge then FB should not be giving anything to any government entity.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 16:40 | 3661319 zeroDirkHedge
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If they hack routers the way snowden describes, which they probably don't have to as they will have a backdoor. to get internet traffic from and to many servers that must mean they have all the certificates. So if you want to run a secure server one off the steps would be to use self signed certificates.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 21:54 | 3661793 ThisIsBob
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They surely have stored all of facebook content, but they need to get the user information details from FB with these orders.  Probably same with phones - do they need the carriers mega data in order to retrieve specific calls from their storage?

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 17:39 | 3661393 chogopogo
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That is absolutely fabulos. It gives a glimpse behind the scene: be willing to provide more details about programs aimed at keeping the public safe. 



Sat, 06/15/2013 - 19:42 | 3661620 Widowmaker
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... there are quiet whispers that FB is losing users en masse - particularly, worldwide.

Don't worry, Zuck-Fuck, it's for your protection.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 19:51 | 3661631 smacker
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Doncha yer worry none my friend.

If Facebook hits bottom thru being exposed as a big-time lying snitch, why, yes, it'll get a bail-out!

After all, it's all in the national interest.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 22:12 | 3661820 22winmag
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Slimebook... social networking for dummies. It peaked a while ago and the yutes certainly don't have much use for it.

Sat, 06/15/2013 - 23:00 | 3661894 Tom is fed up
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Facebook was initially funded by In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture capital group that gives money to companies who "assist in the national security capabilities of the US government". 

Facebooks is where 500 million narcissist link up with 500 million vouyerist.  F U Zuckerberg.

Sun, 06/16/2013 - 00:01 | 3662001 bunnyswanson
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There is a need for another forum of similar ability.  Too bad that This Was Created To Bust People.  Because of Fb, I found long lost relatives, hooked back up with a few friends from childhood and met some other nice people.  The degree of sophistication in the comments is what is astounding me and that is a recent discovery - I think more educated people are become informed and making assessments.


For whatever it is worth, I am going down with this fucking ship called America, even if Americans cry and whine about it, as if there is a fair way to  overthrow a govt, like there should be a vote perhaps.  Kick me, beat me, rape me and leave me laying in a ditch with a bullet in my head you fucking thieves because there is no life after America falls.  All middle class will be eliminated.  Slaves and the rich, a few doctors and attorneys but overall, it will be a world wide police state.  Fuck that.

Politik - Coldplay

Anonymous stated he/they were going to start a new social media which is why I do not trust them.  I think OWS and this joker were created to identify those who "DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEMISE OF AMERICA." 

I only hope there is life after death so I can watch the American politicians being hanged after the enemy is finished with them.

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