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"You Now Have To Assume Everything Is Beling Collected"
Americans who disapprove of the government reading their emails have more to worry about from a different and larger NSA effort. As the AP reports, the program, that snatches data as it passes through the fiber optic cables that make up the Internet's backbone, which has apparently been known for years, copies Internet traffic as it enters and leaves the United States, then routes it to the NSA for analysis. As the name suggests, Prism is merely the intelligent filter, finding discrete, manageable strands of information within this much more massive data stream that is being collected and stored. Prism makes sense of the cacophony of the Internet's raw feed. What is unclear, as more details, interviews and documents become available, is how Prism fits into a larger U.S. wiretapping program in place for years (know as 'Hoovering' at one major internet company).
The government are in active denial, "the perspective is that we’re trying to hide something because we did something wrong. We’re not," but some senators note, "secret programs approved by a secret court, issuing secret court orders, based on secret interpretations of the law," hardly fit the 'transparency' ethic this administration has promoted.
In the meantime, as one former NSA official noted, "You have to assume everything is being collected."
Via AP,
Public statements and the few public documents available, show there are two vital components to Prism's success.
The first is how the government works closely with the companies that keep people perpetually connected to each other and the world. That story line has attracted the most attention so far.
The second and far murkier one is how Prism fits into a larger U.S. wiretapping program in place for years.
But, it is clearly an escalation...
The NSA is prohibited from spying on Americans or anyone inside the United States. That's the FBI's job and it requires a warrant.
Despite that prohibition, shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, President George W. Bush secretly authorized the NSA to plug into the fiber optic cables that enter and leave the United States, knowing it would give the government unprecedented, warrantless access to Americans' private conversations.
Tapping into those cables allows the NSA access to monitor emails, telephone calls, video chats, websites, bank transactions and more. It takes powerful computers to decrypt, store and analyze all this information, but the information is all there, zipping by at the speed of light.
And it is all being stored...
The government has said it minimizes all conversations and emails involving Americans. Exactly what that means remains classified.
That means Americans' personal emails can live in government computers, but analysts can't access, read or listen to them unless the emails become relevant to a national security investigation.
The government doesn't automatically delete the data, officials said, because an email or phone conversation that seems innocuous today might be significant a year from now.
What's unclear to the public is how long the government keeps the data.
But Obama voted against this during his campaign in 2007...
Congress approved it, with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the midst of a campaign for president, voting against it.
"This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide," Obama said in a speech two days before that vote.
"I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom."
The corporations knew what was coming...
When the Protect America Act made warrantless wiretapping legal, lawyers and executives at major technology companies knew what was about to happen.
One expert in national security law, who is directly familiar with how Internet companies dealt with the government during that period, recalls conversations in which technology officials worried aloud that the government would trample on Americans' constitutional right against unlawful searches, and that the companies would be called on to help.
The logistics were about to get daunting, too.
For years, the companies had been handling requests from the FBI. Now Congress had given the NSA the authority to take information without warrants.
But the workload was becoming onerous so it was centralized
What the NSA called Prism, the companies knew as a streamlined system that automated and simplified the "Hoovering" from years earlier, the former assistant general counsel said.
The companies, he said, wanted to reduce their workload. The government wanted the data in a structured, consistent format that was easy to search.
But denials were carefully worded
Every company involved denied the most sensational assertion in the Prism documents: that the NSA pulled data "directly from the servers" of Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, AOL and more.
But PRISM is a filter on what the government is really storing
Prism, as its name suggests, helps narrow and focus the stream.
In that way, Prism helps justify specific, potentially personal searches.
But it's the broader operation on the Internet fiber optics cables that actually captures the data.
"I'm much more frightened and concerned about real-time monitoring on the Internet backbone," said Wolf Ruzicka, CEO of EastBanc Technologies, a Washington software company.
"I cannot think of anything, outside of a face-to-face conversation, that they could not have access to."
Whether the government has that power and whether it uses Prism this way remains a closely guarded secret.
Obama defends the 'intrusion' the only way we would expect:
"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience,"
And it's no surprise the President continued the eavesdropping
"You can't expect a president to not use a legal tool that Congress has given him to protect the country.
So, Congress has given him the tool. The president's using it.
And the courts are saying 'The way you're using it is OK.' That's checks and balances at work."
But in conclusion:
Schneier, the author and security expert, said it doesn't really matter how Prism works, technically. Just assume the government collects everything, he said.
He said it doesn't matter what the government and the companies say, either. It's spycraft, after all.
"Everyone is playing word games," he said. "No one is telling the truth."
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Collected as in, your liver has collected all that crap you have ingested.
I never believed that.
About my liver.
Right you are...
All my crap collects in my brainzez...
Collecting massive amount of data and storing it is not for catching terrorists but convert your misdemeanor in to felony.
Very soon to have all your medical records as well.
Traffic stop, please swab the inside of your cheek in the approved manner.
Assume the position.
...go into doggy submission...
Would their computers go nuts if people in mass started sending fake unbreakable codes?
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<tinfoil>
the snowden psy-op was designed to motivate you to stop using your phone and your internet when you communicate all your subversive/pornographic/goldBuying activities.
instead, you will use that *other* medium for communication.
that medium was developed by, and is completely controlled by, tptb in preparation for the systemic and voluntary adoption by sheeple of that *other* medium.
</tinfoil>
and they want us to use the "Cloud"?
Yes... may I have another?
The Utah Data Center is supposedly the largest, but check out this Salt Lake Tribune article in its entirety.
From the article:
Snuggly the Security Bear can explain it all:
http://vimeo.com/fiorecartoons/united-states-of-surveillance
This massive cancer on the rights of Americans is the most significant Constitutional issue in our lifetime.
Regardless, unless it goes our way it is the last.
pen
paper
envelopes
stamps
omg...i get it!!!!!!
this is how they save the US postal system!
ruin every other form of communication until people have to use the post
outfuckingstanding
johnQ is outstandingly brilliant!
As we all know from reading Robert Anton Wilson, the Illuminati, that super-secret organization which everyone is familiar with, is made up of AT&T, the Roscrucians and the US Postal Service.
The have utilized their awesome power to circumvent modern data communications to a return to yesteryear, when the postal system ruled supreme across the land!
Oh, wow, now why didn't I think of that????????
(Too much viewing of the porn channel, I guess?)
Another piece of the puzzle.
Am starting to read William Forstchens' fiction novel "One Second After", with forward by Newt Gingrich about an EMP attack on the US.
Well, ole Newts' forward in which he likens this novel to 1984 as a revelation to "future history", says this:
"If the evil of totalitarian regimes had been allowed to flourish in the rubble of Europe after World War II, that future history might have come to pass. Orwell, by his book, raised an awareness that just might have saved us from Big Brother and the Thought Police."
Soo... if this Dr. Suess character can generalize this as a "might" and "maybe" without an actual "tis so", it's not hard to believe that an EMP event would be their (.gov) worst nightmare, providing a convoluted "spy on everybody to prevent this disaster" justification to interdict any such threat.
Bet Newt wishes now his words weren't quite so public. Worth a read if you need a gag reflex.
The truth is FAR scarier than the fiction (and I haven't even read the fiction)
You don't need a nuclear device to generate an EMP, only a flux compression generator or, more practically, a vircator. The smallest unit the Russians have been known to have built will fit into a suitcase. More importantly they have HPM EMP warheads on both off-road mobile and submarine launch platforms so they can surreptitiously deployed to either US coast or driven to Iran on short notice, which is why the Syria sideshow is problematic, given the mutual defense treaty Iran and Syria.
On the bright side the Russians aren't keen to sell the technology (the Chinese are another story but they're still playing catch-up to the Russia and the USSA), and an EMP won't actually fry every electronic circuit back to the Stone Age like the fear mongers like to claim (not that you'd notice or care about this distinction if the electrical grid is destroyed along with all your cheap iCrap) . The interview, Putin did a few days ago with RT is worth 20 minutes of time - at least he isn't an organ grinding monkey who is reduced to a gag-inducing chorus of, "Um, um, um" when confronted with even basic questions...
Putin owes Syria a bunch of surface to air missiles. Wonder if he'll put some of these weapons in them. I don't imagine Patriots can work too well without power.
They don't need to sell them, they can just launch them from a submarine in the Med. If Barry pulls a Kerry windsurfing routine and decides to unilaterally impose a no-fly zone, then Vlad can park two supersonic strategic bombers in Damascus for bear-chested visual appeal and PR pissing points. Only the nutcases want this to escalate into a shooting war, the problem is that there are two proxies who are tied at the hip and present a strategic imperative for one side, so retreat isn't a sensible option, given the possibility of escalation in the Persian Gulf if Syria heats up.
A significant solar flare in the Earth's direction would do the trick. I read there was such and event around 1850, but, obviously, there was a LOT less electronic infrastructure to damage back then. Don't know if that's true, but it's what I read.
The mere collection of this data is enough to make one's hair stand on end. Does anyone doubt that the temptation to use this data for purely political purposes is irresistable? The IRS was used to hammer Obama's opponents. If they are so easily correpted, why would we think collection of this data by the NSA (that also reports up through the executive branch of government) would be any different?
I'm pretty much sick of thinking about this shit. If you believe in antiquated concepts like liberty an freedom, like I do, I have a news flash for you: we lost. Period. It's all gone and it's not coming back. This infrastructure is not only permanent, it will be expaned. VASTLY expanded.
This is the dream of Dr. EVIL!!
What kind of dipshit douchetard reads Newt Gingrich? Bet you think Sarah Palin is an intellectual, huh?
You actually paid for this book, douchey?
Consider that they have enough damaging evidence, either real or fabricated to convict everyone of a criminal offense.
You just haven't been arrested yet, and at their convenience.
You name the person, I will find the crime. - Lavrentiy Beria
This is what truth looks like...plus one.
Yes, Well stated. THAT's what it is for.
All retroactively searched. Not for pre-crimes.
"Give me everything we have on xxxxx"
That's it's reason for being.
Congressman, that porn you looked at in college will be used to control your vote in congress. That racial rant you tweeted because some guy cut you off in traffic will lend credence to the allegations that you are racist and it will be used to mute any criticism you may have of our dear leader. In fact congressman, your entire life has been a Truman Show. We own you, and with selective editing we can make you our friend or an enemy of the state. You choose.
Already experiencing it. The trick is to release specific ideas to key people at specific social events, that way the validity won't be questioned and the rumor will spread through the desired channels, either promoting further ostracization or even hostility.
The best part is that they most likely can just temporarily (and invisibly to the user) send messages or info through someones trusted source, exploiting their relationship by passing false information through to them, just crazy talk of course..
You've got to think like a vindictive bitchy teenage girl to really get how they would use the info, but with the state of things, if all this continues to be normalized the validity of the "information" is meaningless. It helps when masculinity is a crime.
Excellent point, Cloud9.5, and they've actually been doing that for quite a few years now.....
Trovicor Monitoring Center, now at your neighborhood store!
It's hard to know who to trust these days.
It is easy to compare the current state of affairs to the Matrix, but I find that the Kentucky Fried Movie sums it up nicely. Start at .26. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnI81iB0gBQ
You're alright. Youtube let's you share a video with a mid start time. Just add "?t=26s" to the end to start at 26 seconds.
http://youtu.be/UnI81iB0gBQ?t=21s
I would put that kind advice into my permanent file for future reference, but it's already done for me!
AT&T U-verse TV
with TotalHome Surveillance.
In the future will the Supreme Court have to rule on plantiffs who subpoena the Government's stash of data that pertains to their lawsuit. The data exists therefor can it be admitted?
Could records of zerohedge.com comments cached in Government servers be subpoenaed? Tyler's profile alone could fill terabytes. /sarc
You kept quite when muslims were framed and kids were blowen off with drones. You have no friends left.
Gosh, are you talking to us? If so use spellcheck if you're going to be so mean.
Coem On. Its fhgit klub.
EDIT: Second rule of Fight Club. You must be able to spell "Fight Club."
Hey, maybe they can use all these fancy tools to track down John Corzine?
pods
Corzines profits went to .gov for.... protection.
How many others waiting to be tapped?
...besides, Zero had me at "moos-lims".
Actually i didn't.
I, for one, welcome and hail our new overlords.
Mazel Tov!
Hebephilia!
No really, it ain't rayciss:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia
Let's all rush the Utah NSA Data Center with our pitchforks, that'll scare'm
What I'm wondering is... Where's the second data center?
The government (especially the spies) simply do not do single-point-of-failure facilities. Which means there's at least one other facility out there. Otherwise, rushing the data center with pitchforks would actually work, and they can't have that.
First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price ...
S.R. Hadden, Contact
Thrice the price.
East Coast, flyover, West Coast.
Most likely Cali.
1. Neger desert. Near Di Mona and Golf of Aqaba.
2. Sout of Tel A Viv.
Golf of Aqaba? Is that where the famous island green is? "Fore!"
I was thinking the second facility was just "sout" (or south depending on your dialect) of that big old dome where they stored the bees in the X-Files 'documentary' film.
Just one according to the NSA:
http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/
"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience."
What he really means: "You can't have 100 percent security but you can have zero percent privacy and 100% inconvenience, so we went with that."
+1 LTER
Actually, that's a pretty good interpretation.
"...plus all the false flag attacks we need to execute to get you to cower in submission."
This stuff is only really going to come into play if the economy deteriorates, and since that's never gonna happen i'd say we are all getting worked up over nothing.
Did you hear about the woman who was secretly being videotaped while showering by a neighbor? He said that he was trying to protect her from possible intruders by monitoring her at all times. She said, "well, I'm not doing anything wrong in there, so I guess it's okay. Thanks for protecting me!"
was she hot? Hang on "oww my balls" is about to start.
Well, I guess it's not a secret anymore!!! Alright, alright, who ratted me out?
iz it on teh interwebz?
So, one guy send this discussion into motion.
A big fukin' butterfly, if I ever saw one.
Well at least they're open to a discussion about it all....
what was the verdict on McMolotov on the other thread? I remember him mentioning needing a drink pretty frequently. I can certainly understand that. I hope he slipped back into the matrix easily enough. You can't let this stuff bring u down.
I dunno, Fonz. He and I'd never spoken "personally". I've chatted with a number of other folks here about "drinking" and escape due to "that stuff" if you will, but not Mc. I must say, these are times when one can very easily use the news of the day as another excuse to have the next drink. Unfortunately, to be sure. But that's all it is, is another excuse. In the end, we have to live with ourselves regardlesss of other people places and things. Alcohol is but an escape from our burdens of self.
In the final analysis, when one gets to the point of using such excuses for one's drinking, one has crossed over the edge and is likely having trouble controlling their drinking, period. But alas, I know not of this situation. I certainly do hope for the better with anybody feeling that way. Believe me, I know.
i am out east right now. I took my dog for a long walk out in the nicest part of the hamptons hoping she would shit on somebody's yard. no luck. Walking around out here and seeing what i see would drive a lot of people bat shit crazy. But I do it because it reminds me that the big one may be far away yet. These people out here like their lifestyle. It's heaven and they are intent on avoiding mad max. It's better to try to hold it together day after day even if they lose their grip ever so slightly. All of us will break to pieces long before things start to cramp their style.
The pretty big money areas on the outskirts of the big big money areas have a lot of for sale signs though. So it's kind of mixed signals. Better be prepared to grind it out, mentally, emotionally and financially.
I drove along the beach in Clearwater earlier this weekend and saw a HUGE new beachfront "home" being built. Meanwhile, go back a few blocks or just over the Causeway and there are for sale signs all over. The big big money is turning into the big big big money, at the expense of the no money, the some money, and the big money. Seems like we're ever so surely heading back to the historic model of a few with all the wealth, and everyone else.
My excuse for drinking is that I like being drunk.
A reversion to normality.Or they just decided they were not going to hide the
fact anymore.
Us serfs have developed the technology for them to formally enslave us forever.
Glad I don't drink anymore,that would be a months binge.
You just have to accept the world is full of assholes, and deal with it sober.
Well said, Winston :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n63PnML6irA
What is the illuminati Utube? Comprehensive explaination. 48 min.
Socialism is a stepping stone.
When everything is being collected, and when one sincerely believes "the end justifies the means", then one has tyranny.
I went to Home Depot earlier today to pick up some carb cleaner for the lawn mower. So I'm strolling up to the cash registers and with no surprise the only registers available are self-checkout. I scan the cleaner and a warning message flashes on the screen that prompted me to show I.D. to the clerk before proceeding. Jokingly, I asked if this was flagged as potential terrorist items, and without batting an eye he says, "No, some people use them to get high but you dont look the type so I'll let you go."
REMEMBER GUYS IF YOU SEE SOMEThING SAY SOMEThING. ThE STATE OWNS YOU. GET BACK TO WORK
Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
Give them an inch and they'll stick it in a mile...
...and then break it off, for good measure...
No doubt.
I think its time to repeal the Patriot Act.
"The FBI has dramatically increased its use of a controversial provision of the Patriot Act to secretly obtain a vast store of >>>business<<< records of U.S. citizens under President Barack Obama, according to recent Justice Department reports to Congress. The bureau filed 212 requests for such data to a national security court last year – a 1,000-percent increase from the number of such requests four years earlier, the reports show.
The FBI’s increased use of the Patriot Act’s “business records” provision — and the wide ranging scope of its requests -- is getting new scrutiny in light of last week’s disclosure that that the provision was used to obtain a top-secret national security order requiring telecommunications companies to turn over records of millions of telephone calls."
http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/11/18887491-fbi-sharply-increases-use-of-patriot-act-provision-to-collect-us-citizens-records?lite
"I think its time to repeal the Patriot Act."
Next you'll be telling me that I have to order unfreedom fries. No thanks comrade!
lol...no, that would be Mayor Bloomberg ;-)
NM, do you really think this would stop by simply repealing the patriot act? You have better chances of exterminating Bermuda grass in your lawn than killing a funded government program.
Yep. All that data is crack to them. They'll never give it up.
zhandax,
Yeah, I know. I don't think ANY central governments desire to spy on its citizens can be curtailed. They're all paranoid schizophrenics as far as I'm concerned. But we had prohibition too and repealed it.
I guess I'm just an eternal optimist ;-)
Perhaps monsieur would like some "no-fuckin-way-you'll-ever-get-your-liberty-back" cabbage?
Monsieur: "No. I couldn't eat another fuckin' thing."
Waiter: But the no-fuckin-way-you'll-ever-get-your-liberty-back cabbage is wafer thin."
Monsieur: "Alright. Fuck it."
Lulz!
+100
Hey, Obama, I got something you can collect right here...
The 4th Amendment, as revised: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated unless we deem it necessary in secret, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause which means there may be a bad guy somewhere on earth that may have communicated with someone you know because you can't prove otherwise, supported by Oath or affirmation or the whim of the executive, and particularly describing the place to be searched or all places as is deemed convenient, and the persons or things to be seized or all persons and things as may be deemnd convenient."
+1
You did the 4th well, might as well do the other 9. It'll be fun.
One more: The first -- "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, but the President, the IRS, the NSA, and any government agency that is unelected by the people may do whatsoeverthefuck they want."
You're on a roll
One more because you're egging me on: "A well regulated militia, being unnecessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed unless the government feels like it."
I hope you don't mind if I re-use those.
Oh, and "A well regulated milia, being unnecessary in a police state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall be infringed "for the sake of the children, or other feel-good politcs."
Suspension of the 5th may cause you to wake up dead. Suspension of the 8th will leave you battered and bruised. The 545 people who control us have collectively adopted the mindset of King John.
Friends, I'm not able to answer your phones. We can't keep up as the health staff. They attacked our medical room just a moment ago. My tears are not because of the gas but because of my anger. We don't know what they added to the TOMA water. Everyone's skins are swelling. It's easy to deal with the gas but what's in the water... They're not using it to scatter the people. Contact [with the water] is enough. My hands are swelling while trying to treat it despite the gloves. [Turkish Doctor, Twitter, ~5 mins ago]
"SkyTurk, a TV taken over by the government broadcasting documentary about Cambodia now." [Reddit]
There's having a dark sense of humor, and then there's simply laughing into the gaping abyss insane cackling as your mind dribbles out of your ears in front of the Old Ones. AKP is doing the latter. Oh, and they just allegedly stormed the Hilton as well. What are they looking for?
Some nerve agents cause that sort of caustic reaction. Then again so does Chlorine gas in high enough concentrations.
If the Turkish have it, so does every Western Government, and it's probably made in the USA or Brazil.
Food for thought.
Virtually every picture of riot control agents I've seen from Turkey has made in the USA on it. I think Brazil lost out on this contract.
It was headed for the Syrian front, but the bloody Turks hijacked it for domestic use.
I don't think it was meant for the Hookah.
I love how senators note that the issue here is that Zero's administration isn't as "transparent" as promised. Yeah, that's where the problem lies.
How long until the word "Constitution" disappears entirely from their lexicon?
What he really meant is that the Constitution is transparent. So much so that he can't see it. So technically he was being truthful, or the least untruthful he could be, or something like that. Ah fuck it.
He is a constitutional scholar. Maybe he studied the constitution of the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea.
Nah, a guy I know saw his transcripts...
He's a constipational scholar...
Rx = prism-break.org
Not a cure, but a LOT better than doing nothing.
Don't forget that other countries have much stricter privacy laws, due process... And their IT companies are not beholden to the US.
Not sure they could withstand an assault, but plucky little Iceland could be in there with an investment chance.
cheapest electricity prices across the EU and future node in the Emerald Express
When did I ever say that I want the government to protect me? I don't want that.
Secondly, their pretext - terrorism - is obviously false. There is no terrorism. Rather, the United States Federal Government and its cronies are the terrorists. Log that, scumbags. You lie.
Whoa...for a moment there, I thought that said "Beijing Collected"...
whew...
I wouldn't put it past the fucktards that this "breach" was an inside job in hopes to quell public dissent in a medium they cannot control without shutting down entirely.
Or to create justification to shut down the medium they can't control. It's clear the internet is a huge problem for TPTB.
Notice that coincident with the whole spying coverage is also coverage of "cyber attacks" on infrastructure, etc. The old "digitl perl harbor" schtick. I can easily see the gov't shutting down or at least isolating the internet if too much information about what they've done starts to leak out. Suddenly you can only access MSM web sites, and commenting functions are disabled, that type of approach.
I've been seeing exactly that sort of thing. Suddenly unable to access comments on most sites.
That is why you need two computers. One for them, with internet access, and one for you with no access.
Like uh, why would you want a computer without access to ah, like ah, Facebook, Twitter, Scope, Sprite, Smurf, Farmalot, Spam, TMZ, shopping, People, the Enquirer, shopping, chat rooms, IM, games and all sorts of stuff. Like shopping.
Duh-uh.
Whatever....
(Gotta tweet Cindy about that red lipstick in the Beiber collection. It is soooo hot!)
This works for me. When the missing NSA documents are exposed, the entire fraud operation will be uncovered. Patience is a virtue.
If you think taking out this guy will protect you. Sadly mistaken, the files are actually already on the interweb. Just waiting to spring up like a patch of annoying dandelions.
I hope it is all uploaded in a million places. And offing Snowden hopefully will automatically release it all at once. Something like a Deadmans' switch, Maybe that's why he isn't freakin out.
Maybe they know if anything happens to him it comes out.
Hopefully....
Come on you patriots/whistllers in the weeds, Let it out....
You first have to wait for the politicians and media to strap a noose around their neck. The media has already backed out to avoid damage control. Just wait patiently.
So, if the market crashes, will all tech ladies in waiting of the Big Giant Ear , become systemically important to the economy and be bailed out by taxpayer?
‘Free Snowden ... Arrest Obama,’ chant NSA leaker’s outraged supporters in protest outside Hong Kong’s U.S. Consulate.
They have the right idea. More than 50% of Hong Kong's residents want Snowden protected. Only 17% want him sent back per the South China Morning Post.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/free-snowden-arrest-obama-chant-protestors-hong-kong-u-s-consulate-article-1.1373646#ixzz2WKLVlRbv
so the Internet is the global sewer and the NSA is the sewer cleaner. This is the rationale.
We are all animals and our excrement needs to be filtered to be able to determine by those who live above in Olympus, which pig needs to be sacrificed as being too dirty to stay on this animal farm.
"Off with you to that pig sty at gitmo, you don't belong here on the farm".
what began as serfdom now comes a full circle. Ain't America logical. Jefferson can forget his declaration of independence.
"It was just a piece of paper, like the constitution", as GWB is alleged to have said.
"Patriot act" is the acid test to tell pigs from clean, docile animals; welcome to the great hatchery of brave new world USA.
All this technology and they just can't figure out who is rigging any of the markets?
GS has their own private BB FOC, tri-state. They paid millions for it. Sure, if the GOV is smart enough to figure out the few POPs they go thru in NY, NJ, they could intercept. However, I'm sure they wouldn't dare.
Our government is capable of accessing anything saved on your isp or cloud server and probably has back door capability to your personal computer as well, if it is connected to the internet. Our constitution is truly dead.
Not strcitly true true on the back door capabiltiy - get a linux OS.
Erm why did the US government go after Microsoft a decade ago? Looking there might be a thought.
The bit I am concerned about now is that the US government has no accountabiltiy for the use of collected information against foreign nationals who do nothing wrong.
Not to bothered best to go another way MR NSA, linux, encrpyt your own information and no back doors. The bad guys already do this just good people will do it also now. A bit like DNA once it is used as the primary evidence it run foul of failure because it can be planted and it is then for the majority of crimes only ever circumstantial.
I accepted the fact that I'm on some sort of government watch list years ago as a result of surfing nationalist/survivalist/goldbug websites. Knowing what we've known for years now, isn't that kinda a no-brainer?
Just think for a second what you are being told ...
Acting for you? Operating in your best interests?
If you had acted and caught one or two bankers or maybe those hiding the wealth to avoid taxes it might be part believable.
Looks like corrupt bankers and those evading the IRS don't exist to me if I was to beleive you or the whole premise is false.
check that maybe 20 years ago.
next?
Kinda makes one suspicious of "the cloud"? Who would store their stuff in some unknown location, probably Utah soon.
My computer crashed last week and I don't have a backup. So I called Utah and everything is back right as rain. Thanks government!
Its like the cloud storage we are being pushed to use...with a Big Sis twist...lol.
No thanks, I prefer to use my own storage medium. Even if the power and internet gets shut down/goes out, I can access it by firing up the ole generator.
My thots exactly. I was totally dismissed yesterday for NOT using the cloud by one thats partially awakened. Cant be inconvenienced but by all means feed the beast with reocurring rev.
It's all become a sick nightmare.
I find it hard to avoid the cloud. Use truecrypt for pre Internet encryption. An extra step, but at least the NSA doesn't know how much I love Skrillex and Breaking Benjamin...
that "all access nsa datacenter" was in papermainstreamnews 20 years ago, at least in europe.
history repeats ...
This is the Inertia stage.
Good. Now that everyone has caught up, how do we turn this muther out?
If everyone used the 10 worst words one can say at the beginning of every phone call, text message and email that would overload the Prism System with stage 2 flags.
It wouldn't overload the system as they are collecting 100% already.
For a day or two it would make them work, but they would just recognize the the word patterns and drop them as clutter soon.
Perhaps but algorthyms alert other servesr to the point a human is alerted. They don't have enough Snowdens to look at massive alerts. Call it DOS.. denial of snooping.
What they are doing at ft Meade is even worse check out Martin Armstrong site
<Edit: uff. Just data snooping? ZZzzz>
It is Known.
Was looking for something juicy.
Here is more info from Wired on Ft. Meade and such. Over twenty years ago they were routing internet traffic through Virginia, ten years ago just tapped the pipes directly it appears. A friend says Microwave was going through Florida, he was based in California. One way or another, assume everything is being collected..
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/general-keith-alexander-cyberwar/all/
I assume its collected. The secret is trying to stay off of their radar because the IRS thing shows what can happen should they want to mess with you. That's what I worry about. If they want you to be a criminal, they will make it so. That sweet old Texas lady proves it. All she wanted to do was register voters and she was treated like a drug dealer. Shameful.
The Luddites were not all wrong.
while i technically have a facebook account, i prefer to call it a Fakebook account because none of the information on the page is true.
Let's cut the fiber optics going in and out of the US. This is more than ''just' privacy and safety. This system is also being used for industrial espionage. Germany is the country in Europe most monitored by the NSA and zee Germans are not amused and what to revise their and Europe's security.
go for it.
[tongue in cheek]
Two of the three branches of government have designed and funded the current program of surveillance. Until the Supreme Court rules on its Constitutionality at some future date, there is nothing the average citizen can do to stop it.
I think Justice Roberts is already caught, buck-naked in a net in the back of Obama's fishing boat, the S.S. NSA.
Supreme Court nominees and other potential nominees will no longer be vetted, they will be netted.
<- I now talk to the NSA.
<- I have always talked to the NSA but am relieved it was not actually crazy.
if the backbones are tapped then they have everything which moves over the Internet. Even the only encryption you can rely on is public key cryptography. The problem is, if they have fast enough systems then they can probably proxy SSL traffic as well because we can assume they'll also have certificates from the various providers which allow them to pretend to be anyone.
So where does that leave you? The End Of The Internet As We Know It.
This stuff is all a pain to set up and to use and makes everything very slooooow. Which means there are commercial opportunities making is easy and fast.
Common Core Curriculum
Currently, this new school curriculum is being used by 45 states. And wouldn't you know, most states had to adopt the new curriculum as it was part of the state bailout package in '09 (stimulus bill). Beyond just plain nationalization of our education system and dumbing our children down, the new plan is also data mining children's strengths, weaknesses, preferences, et. al.
Worst of all, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Warren Buffet (the Orifice of Obama) are all behind the plan.
I've been on line since 1992 and have assumed ever since then that, as my computer is connected to others, it can be accessed by anyone with enough knowledge and/or the right tools.
People used to joke about my tinfoil hat - now they want the pattern for how I made it.
This is about the government having power over EVERYONE.
Boston civil rights lawyer Harvey Silverglate says that everyone in the US commits felonies everyday and if the government takes a dislike to you for any reason, they'll dig in and find a felony you're guilty of.
His book is called '3 Felonies a Day'
http://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day
The NSA thing just makes TPTB's job so much easier and more convenient.
part of me is flattered. I didn't know I was that interesting...