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Iran Sends 4,000 Troops To Aid Syria's Assad
While the world awaits Russia's formal response to last week's US escalation in Syria (as Putin demonstratively arrived an hour late for talks on Syria with UK PM David Cameron) another country: Iran - fresh from an election in which moderate candidate Hassan Rohani became the new president - is taking matters into its own hands. The Independent Reports that "a military decision has been taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years. Iran is now fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime, according to pro-Iranian sources which have been deeply involved in the Islamic Republic’s security, even to the extent of proposing to open up a new ‘Syrian’ front on the Golan Heights against Israel."
If it was the west's desire all along to drag Iran into the Syrian escalation, and thus shoot two birds with one cluster bomb, Iran may have just happily obliged.
So while we now await for Israel in turn to ratchet up the war rhetoric one more time, perhaps while punctuating its sentences with the occasional bomb over Syrian soil, here is the Independent with a comprehensive analysis on how America, courtesy of its now formalized support of the Syrian mercenaries rebels, suddenly finds itself in uncharted territory: "For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East."
More:
In years to come, historians will ask how America – after its defeat in Iraq and its humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan scheduled for 2014 – could have so blithely aligned itself with one side in a titanic Islamic struggle stretching back to the seventh century death of the Prophet Mohamed. The profound effects of this great schism, between Sunnis who believe that the father of Mohamed’s wife was the new caliph of the Muslim world and Shias who regard his son in law Ali as his rightful successor – a seventh century battle swamped in blood around the present-day Iraqi cities of Najaf and Kerbala – continue across the region to this day. A 17th century Archbishop of Canterbury, George Abbott, compared this Muslim conflict to that between “Papists and Protestants”.
America’s alliance now includes the wealthiest states of the Arab Gulf, the vast Sunni territories between Egypt and Morocco, as well as Turkey and the fragile British-created monarchy in Jordan. King Abdullah of Jordan – flooded, like so many neighbouring nations, by hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees – may also now find himself at the fulcrum of the Syrian battle. Up to 3,000 American ‘advisers’ are now believed to be in Jordan, and the creation of a southern Syria ‘no-fly zone’ – opposed by Syrian-controlled anti-aircraft batteries – will turn a crisis into a ‘hot’ war. So much for America’s ‘friends’.
Its enemies include the Lebanese Hizballah, the Alawite Shiite regime in Damascus and, of course, Iran. And Iraq, a largely Shiite nation which America ‘liberated’ from Saddam Hussein’s Sunni minority in the hope of balancing the Shiite power of Iran, has – against all US predictions – itself now largely fallen under Tehran’s influence and power. Iraqi Shiites as well as Hizballah members, have both fought alongside Assad’s forces.
Washington’s excuse for its new Middle East adventure – that it must arm Assad’s enemies because the Damascus regime has used sarin gas against them – convinces no-one in the Middle East. Final proof of the use of gas by either side in Syria remains almost as nebulous as President George W. Bush’s claim that Saddam’s Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.
For the real reason why America has thrown its military power behind Syria’s Sunni rebels is because those same rebels are now losing their war against Assad. The Damascus regime’s victory this month in the central Syrian town of Qusayr, at the cost of Hizballah lives as well as those of government forces, has thrown the Syrian revolution into turmoil, threatening to humiliate American and EU demands for Assad to abandon power. Arab dictators are supposed to be deposed – unless they are the friendly kings or emirs of the Gulf – not to be sustained. Yet Russia has given its total support to Assad, three times vetoing UN Security Council resolutions that might have allowed the West to intervene directly in the civil war.
In the Middle East, there is cynical disbelief at the American contention that it can distribute arms – almost certainly including anti-aircraft missiles – only to secular Sunni rebel forces in Syria represented by the so-called Free Syria Army. The more powerful al-Nusrah Front, allied to al-Qaeda, dominates the battlefield on the rebel side and has been blamed for atrocities including the execution of Syrian government prisoners of war and the murder of a 14-year old boy for blasphemy. They will be able to take new American weapons from their Free Syria Army comrades with little effort.
From now on, therefore, every suicide bombing in Damascus - every war crime committed by the rebels - will be regarded in the region as Washington’s responsibility. The very Sunni-Wahabi Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 11th September, 2011 – who are America’s greatest enemies as well as Russia’s – are going to be proxy allies of the Obama administration. This terrible irony can only be exacerbated by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s adament refusal to tolerate any form of Sunni extremism.
In short: meet the new world axis and allies, conveniently split by the Syria proxy war (h/t Xue):
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But Britain is not ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10123318/Nick-Clegg-Arming-Syrian-rebels-is-currently-the-wrong-thing-to-do.html
Clegg has to show sense some time might as well be now !
Let the war begin, the body count start, the lies continue, the misery compound, and finally a long, peaceful nuclear winter.
Central bank/energy/oil major/milplex war cranking up.
Many, many will die so a tiny few will get richer and have more power.
The criminality of it is breathtaking.
after your leader commits your group/state to fight-to-the-death with another leader's group/state, you are obliged to please provide a loyalty oath
allegiances (a.k.a. "magnetic spin") define the different homogeneous regions in the conflict
http://dc352.4shared.com/doc/yVl9gRDJ/preview_html_2a504397.png
We are now engaging in combat to settle a dispute between the papists and the protestants. Fuck the American East India Trading Company.
Let it be an eye-opening lesson to those thinking about signing up for the military, and God help those already in.
Looks like one very well deserved middle finger for Obama...
Putin to Obama: How about your nutball jihadi proxies fight our nutball jihadi proxies? Take the piss out of both.
Obama to Putin: Sounds like a plan.
I do believe they're that cold. I don't believe they're that smart.
You lost me on the Pape/Prot thingy.
Agree - he's leaving out the Jews, the Muslims, the Russian Orthodoxy, and the Chinese (?).
I assume he's referring to picking a side when it comes to shiite/sunni, it seems at the very least a reasonable analogy.
Good point, I didn't read that analogy in his post, but you are probably correct (Go Tribe?).
Putin wait protocols: David Cameron 1 hour ..... John Kerry 3 hours ! Why can't our spineless wonders dish out a little green room therapy ? If Putin made me wait .... when the moment for the audience came .... I would say .... tell Mr. Putin .... Monedas isn't ready yet .... then make him wait 3 more hours !
So I guess the unibrow is a big thing in Persia?
pods
As is inbreeding.
Maybe John Kerry could play video games on his smartphone?
Hell, Obummer makes the entire population of the U.S. wait 1/2 hour or more at every speech for him to say nothing - he may have them all beat.
I like your thinking Monedas.
True, but beggars can't be choosers.
Kerry's got no balls and he was desperate, Putin was in a position of power and he could afford to blow off the meeting. Americans will, no doubt, find themselves cooling their heels in the halls of power more and more often as time passes.
Quoting the article on how we are siding everywhere with the Sunnis.
We are war with both sects . Let's help one wipe out the other and the American FEMA camps will be a good place to host our Muslim "friends" in North America.
Time to end the charade -- put the cultural war on the table for discussion.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010081120756/life-and-science/culture-wars...
Explains a lot.
Sunni/Shia schism. Sunnis believe that the Koran and the sayings of the prophet are self explanitory and the full revealed will/word of God. Shiites believe that the Koran and the saying of the prophet can be illuminated and expanded by divine tradition-
An exact parallel to protestant/papist schism. prot: sola scriptura; papist, holy tradition.
This is lining up in the Biblical sense BTW.
Perhaps just another pissing match between superpowers and their monied interests with more innocent children slaughtered.
However, we have Iran, Russia, and China on one side and Israel, the U.S., and Europe on the other.
Agreed,
Damascus, Syria is only about 120 miles NE of Mt. Megiddo.
Yes, thank God we have a fair court system in the US. Oh, wait.
Great article except the assertion that some moslem Sunni -Wahabis in a cave somewhere carried out the 911 attacks. Bullshit.
If you're wondering about your score, it's because the Up Down isn't working on your post. Not for me, anyway.
If it's in italics you can't up or down vote it. At least that's what I've noticed. Not sure why that would be, but seems to work like that.
I am not an IT expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Thanks, I got a good laugh out of that.
The weird thing is that the post has 2 up arrows. The only way I could see that happening is if the post originally was un-italicized, was upvoted twice, and then the text was changed to italic.
Edit: or it was upvoted by two superusers.
Skippy,
The down arrow isn't working for me either. So give yourself a -2 as a garden variety idiot.
i thought the moderates won in Iran?
Central bank/energy/oil major/milplex war cranking up...
a cataloguing of the various parts of a vehicle does not give it motion... that requires a driver.
And no matter the kind of cataloguing various parts of the machine we can call the weaponised bulldozer of the modern millenialist madmen, we can get no closer to the understanding of who moves the earth closer each day to the edge of a precipice. There is only one driver of this current campaign to create the next super destructive world war.... an it is the cabbalist wearing the five starred uniform of a tiny terrorist state which seeks hegemony over all of us.
The Independent manages to carefully skirt around this fact, and weave another fairy tale in it's place. To be expected, but let's not make their work any easier... after all... they're getting paid to proffer this propaganda!
How mixed up is that? We know that Muzzie's with box-cutters did 9-11/// cause our sionist owned media and government tells us so right? Err... hang on... I suspect that if you put that last paragragh from the "NON"-Indendent up at the top of the piece... where it truly belongs... you can see where this tripe is heading... and maybe put something down quick on the floor to catch it before it makes a mess! Christians and Moslems fighting each other serves only the agenda of sionist racialist hegemonism... it has no genesis outside of that agenda. Moslems fighting Moslems is a phony feud fueled by the same clever clique of cabbalists. Wars are their bread n butter. We would do well to keep the focus on that fact, in the face of these puff pieces from the faux press.
Many many will die. Correct. A tiny few [sionist cabbalistic madmen]will see their prophecies fulfilled, a world shattered to fufill their fantasies of power... the criminality of it ... has been described, predicted and proposed as preventable here many many times... when people still thought this was some kind of game. Game over.
Christians and Moslems fighting each other ... has no genesis outside of that agenda. Moslems fighting Moslems is a phony feud fueled by the same clever clique of cabbalists.
Or, you could study history and see that these sorts of conflicts have been going on for centuries - and started well before the Zionists got their act together.
your comment is making a pretty big assumption regarding when "zionists got their act together". i would suggest that this event happened sometime well before recorded history. and, in any event, certainly well before the date assumed in your post.
Well said, John. In fact, Zionism began when the original charioteering Khazarians (first the Israelites and then, 135 years later, the Judeans) were taken into captivity in Babylon -- 2,700 years ago!
That is when the first 5 books of the Torah (Old Testament) were written by the leaders of the exiles as a political document to keep the so-called "chosen people" together and give them faith that they would eventually return to their "promised land". To further keep them together while in captivity, they were admonished to only marry within their tribe.
Though they did indeed return to Palestine in 539 BC when, ironically, they were freed from the Babylonians by Cyrus the Great of Persia, they then proceded to spread their warmongering ways outward to Macedonia (eventually leading to Alexander the Great's attempted conquest of the world) and even to Britain (where the first Celtic chariot burials were recorded in around 500 BC). The warmongering Phoenicians were another Khazarian offshoot that had been brought under Assyrian control in 600 BC and later spread outward.
By 330 BC, the jewish religion had visibly split into two camps - the Pharisees (predecessors of the Ashkenazis, Sabbateans and Jesuits), who worshipped knowledge and rule by an elected intellectual elite, and the Sadducees, who worshipped Yehova/Yahweh and rule by an hereditary aristocratic priestly class (the Levis and Cohens).
It seems, however, that from their very beginning the Pharisees were never content with remaining in Palestine but have always considered it their destiny to rule all the "lesser peoples" of the world.
i-dog, do you know of any good documentaries outlining this history? I've been studying ancient Greek and Roman history lately, but these matters are never mentioned.
Unfortunately, no, Geekgrrl. It has been pieced together through many years of wide-ranging research involving expert historians, bible scholars, anthropologists, linguists and geneticists - and joining the dots.
The nearest documentary I could recommend to get you started is the one that got me started while researching 9-11 and leading into the origins of the biblical myths (ie. Egyptian history poetically intermixed with Sumerian legends) and the later cabbalistic connections continuing through Freemasonry and the city states of London, Washington and Vatican. It is called 'The Ring of Power - Empire of the City' - produced by the daughter of a masonic family line and released by Murdoch's 20th Century Fox. However, it doesn't get into the Khazarian Konnection, the Ashkenazis or the Luciferian Kults (Sabbateans, Jesuits and Zionists), which I believe I'm the only one to have fully uncovered so far. You should replace the 'Hyksos Kings' and the later 'tribe of Dan' in that documentary with the much older Khazarians, who first invaded the Levant on their war chariots from the Andronovo Culture of northern Khazakstan around the same time (c. 2000 BC) that the Pharaoh Amenemhat (a priest and vizier of 'unknown' origin, mentioned in the documentary) usurped the throne of Egypt and created the first monotheistic religion ... worshipping Amen.
There is much more that leads right up to those ruling America and the world today, but you'd have to go back through my old posts to put the snippets together.
Thanks for the starting point.
Listen to what I tell you
That you may be king of earth
That you may rule the river-banks
And achieve in excess of perfection
GATHER YOURSELF AGAINST DEPENDANTS - NOTHING COMES OF IT
Anyone puts their heart in the direction of their fear.
Never approach them alone.
Trust none as brother. Make no friend.
Create no intimates - it is worthless
Teaching of King Amenemhat I
Alternately, you could do some due diligence of your own, and discover the intrigues of those who may latterly call themselves 'sionists' ...
have been going on unchecked since before their removal to Babylon and invention of their babylonian talmudic tricks to defraud and deceive those around them. You'd be amazed what history has to teach us... outside the confines of one's hackneyed notions.
Same applies to 'currents events' ... if one chooses to throw off the covers of their cabbalisitically woven quilt of lies!
That's all this phony conflict is about... mercenaries armed n controlled by talmudist terrorists seeking new territories to terrorize!
Now get busy with those books!
Cheers!
Here's the link:
http://www.islamicinvitationturkey.com/2013/06/15/former-undof-officer-israeli-support-to-terrorists-is-on-large-scale/
Keep preaching the truth, Joyful. Eventually the honest will have to acknowledge it, unpleasant though it be.
I can't pretend to hope, OP, that mere words have the power to bring closer to acknowledging truth those who's whole purpose here seems to be keeping us far away from it...
all we can do is try to steer the ship back on course when it's given a diversion off course... like this piece, which was supposedly about Iran's entry into the Syrian imbrogolio... but mysteriously becomes yet another dead end diversion into the presidential impersonator's problems... convenient only for those who seek to keep us from getting the grips with the warmongers pulling his strings!
With the crazy Mullahs lined up with the equally crazed cabbalists, and equally demented 'christians' ready to jump right into it with them, we're only inches from the whole thing going up in smoke! I personally do not believe it's any longer possible to pull back... when the ad at the top of my ZH screen screams STOP IRAN!!! Their suffrocating war smut smothers even space of dialogue it seems!
but what else can one do except make one last call for peace instead of war right now?
+1
"...[W]hat else can one do except make one last call for peace instead of war..."
My sentiments exactly.
Remember this post by Tyler, where John Maynard himself explains the to be great religion?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-11-19/keynes-worker-utopia-through-perpetual-threat-war
The Text of the Gospel of Thomas
from the Scholars Version translation published in The Complete Gospels
Prologue
These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas recorded.
...
"16 Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. 2They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. 3 For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, 4and they will stand alone."
Before christian vs moslem it was judaism vs moslem and Israelite vs moslem before that, going all the way back to Abraham ...or so we're told.
And christian vs moslem is a joke. Their "messiah" set an example of no armed conflict and christians have far more historical record of prey than predator except crusades where they went around the countryside playing bully killing farmers and such. They didn't stand a chance against an armed orgainzed force of any kind, and the world would be better place if they had been wiped out completely. Let's hope those determined moslems achieve that some day.
Seems to be an appropriate time to queue up a little visualization on repeated history. You voted for it, now you own the problem.
one brutha to anutha: "You break it: you own it" -Colon Powell
i still chuckle at my relatives who say obama is a "peace" president who got us out of iraq/afghan as if they'd never heard of a military feint maneuver
It's certainly important to remember that Hussein Obama's primary grudge is against the states united.
So are you going to pay your war taxes or not?
People believe that?
Not to be rude about your relatives, but seriously, offer to give them a tour of Arlington or some other graveyards with recent military graves. Because their peace president has some 'splainin' to do.
Let's get reaaaadyyyyyy toooooooo RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!
Coming to a Colosseum near you..
SOMEDAY SOMEDAY SOMEDAY!!!
I'm sure that you know Clegg as a politician much better than I, but I can safely say that if his stance of the moment seems in any way different than the expected, it's for a reason, and not a 'moral' or 'logical' one to be sure. None of them get into the top echelons of power without the appropriate pledge of allegiance to the moneypower. There's is not one who will not dance to the tune they're instructed. It's all puppet theatre now, in the defeated west... all the time. Outside of which...
we are at the point where things get real... fast. The defeat of the mercenaries by the Syrian army has picked up speed. With the "elections" in Iran over, so is the waiting. We now have a coalition of millenialist madmen of different religious bent, but similar intent... all eager for the end of days. Christian dispensationalist... talmudist cabbalist... muslim twelvers... USA\Israel\Iran... all on the same team at the leadership level. Drag in Russia... and the show begins! Peoples of each of our countries, praying for peace, whilst their puppet leaders plan for a destructive war that will bring everything down of civilization east and west.
Syria is the place of their long-schemed Armageddon. And now they will have it. No matter the country, no matter the puppet 'in power' ... this conspiracy of madmen will achieve it's aims all the faster by distracting it's victims with the blather of their appointed lackeys. And this thread, like so many others, will be hijacked into a meaningless debate about meaningless puppets, while the gaped-mouth dupes of the audience have their pockets picked once agin!
+1. I like the way you cut through to the heart of the charade! ... particularly now that you also understand that the true intent is to "bring everything down of civilization east and west".
ALL peaceloving peoples of the world have a dog in this hunt.
What on earth has Obama done!!
The very same 'terrorists' that have been fighting British and US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan now find themselves being armed by American 'advisers' in Syria........
America has almost done the full loop with Al Qaeda - once allies when America armed Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan to fight Russia - then enemies when the US blamed Al Qaeda for 9/11 - and now back to being allies again. What exactly does US foreign policy now stand for!?
Hussein Obama's a delusional marxist whose primary intention is the destruction of the states united.
Considering that the American territory is really two countries, today, it really does need to split up, to be quite honest.
Al-CIAda were never the enemy, always the tool to gain more power and make more profits for the police state/war industrial complex.
Don't you worry, once the revolution begins, the government will bring in over extremists muslims from Syria, Libya, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or wherever, give them guns and RPGs, set them loose all across America and then claim that Al-CIAda is working with US militias.
Emmanuel Goldstein, that despicable traitor.
Recently released a statement, here it is in it's entirety.
link to follow??
The made-up bad guy in 1984. He was made to be hated by the people, cuz they needed it.
I never thought i would want to see Russia and Iran win anything, but this is good news to me. It could mean the end of obama's Arab spring. The more dead muslims the better. Syrian Christians will have a chance at survival. If the casualty rates are high enough they might not flood our country with more murdering muslim "refugees".
I never thought i would want to see Russia and Iran win anything, but this is good news to me. It could mean the end of obama's Arab spring. The more dead muslims the better. Syrian Christians will have a chance at survival. If the casualty rates are high enough they might not flood our country with more murdering muslim "refugees".
What does US foreign policy stand for? War, that is all there is....seems the US is always at war.....
Spell it AlCIAda and it all becomes clear.
IF this report by The Independent is true (and I have yet to find any supporting accounts in English Iranian web outlets this morning), it takes what is happening in Syria to a whole new level of danger, threatening to engulf the entire region in war.
The question I would have would be, why would the Ayatollah Khamenei sign off on such a move, right after an election, and right before the installation of Iran's new President?! And if this is true, why no confirmation from the Iranian press in English?! And if this is true, WHY IS IT NOT SOURCED?!
Such an action would be the perfect "justification" for the US and Israel to declare war on Iran: the Iranians are many things, but stupid is absolutely not one of them.
There is something here which just doesn't QUITE pass the "smell test".
No, the supreme leader deemed it acceptable to change civilian leadership and commence and reaffirm allegiance based on mutual assurance.
There is nothing odd about it, it is a definite loss for the west on the propaganda front.
Internationally and domestically. It proves through affirmation a united front, instead of the back handed and ill trusted methods of the west, a definite tipping point if it gains traction. It's really all quite obvious.
Ill
The united states has lost all legitimacy. Its depressing. But nothing new in my view.
Good point, Betty!
This is all I could find on Syria in the 'Iran Daily' (which I have always found to be very even-handed and dispassionate in its reporting):
http://www.iran-daily.com/1392/3/27/MainPaper/4532/Page/9/Index.htm
"President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East."
Wait. What? You're saying that Barack Obama is actively supporting Muslim extremists in Syria? Just like he did in Egypt and Libya?
Huh.
You'd almost think he was a Muslim himself. Or something.
http://voices.yahoo.com/obama-crypto-muslim-apostate-5051750.html
"The idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim is not far-fetched. While many inside and outside Obama's camp have tried to debunk this notion, it will not go away for one simple reason: Barack Hussein Obama's father was a Muslim.
It is a really simple concept that many fail to grasp - if your father is a Muslim you are a Muslim. It was not a council of Atheists, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists who concocted this rule; it comes from Islam itself. Go outside of the West and ask any Muslim. He or she will plainly tell you that a Muslim man's children are automatically Muslims. It does not matter if he is no longer with their mother. It does not matter what kind of Muslim he is: devout/nominal, Shia/Sunni, etc. The faith of the mother does not matter. It does not matter if the child is devout or not. If your dad is a Muslim, you are a Muslim.
Awe, but the above does not jive with many an individual's multi-cultural sensibilities. If Obama claims to be a Christian then he is a Christian . . . many claim. The Obama camp goes even further and states that "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian" according to www.barackobama.com.
Let it be known that there is the "gaffe" where Obama used the words "my Muslim faith". Second, reasonable people are not claiming that Obama is, or ever was, a devout Muslim or a radical Muslim. However, a Muslim is still a Muslim. If not being devout automatically makes one a non-Muslim, then few in Indonesia are Muslims.
According to Islam, Obama is a Muslim by virtue of his dad being one regardless if either one is or ever was devout. However, there is evidence that Obama did, to a degree, practice his Muslim faith.
By now the infamous pictures of a young Barack in Muslim garb are all over the internet. The enrollment form for the schools Obama attended in Indonesia have become famous as they list Barrack Hussein Obama's (a.k.a. Barry Soetoro) faith as "Islam". Some might argue that putting in "Islam" for Obama's faith category was a mistake and that the enrollment form(s) was filled with mistakes. This is unlikely given the laws and culture in Indonesia. Active evangelism and instruction in another religion is viewed negatively in Indonesian society and there are laws regulating/banning the practice. That is why Indonesian schools, and schools in many other parts of the world, take steps to officially identify the faith group to which an individual (especially a child) belongs to. It would be illegal to teach Barack/Barry Christianity if he was a Muslim. Obama stated, in his book Dreams fromMy Father that he studied the Koran in school. This would not have happened if he was a Christian.
Furthermore, teachers and school mates from Obama's past have been interviewed and they have stated that Obama was not a devout Muslim, but that he definitely was a Muslim. Even his half-sister, Maya Soetoro, says that her family was Muslim. Given the enrollment form, the pictures of a young Obama, and the testimony of those who knew him when he was in Indonesia I am convinced that Obama not only is/was a Muslim due to his lineage, but also practiced Islam (again to a slight degree) when he was a minor.
However, Obama has in many ways stated that he is a Christian and not a Muslim. I would take issue with Barack's status as a Christian given statements he has made and his involvement with the heretical Trinity United Church of Christ. That discussion is for another day; for our purposes now a heretical Christian is still not a Muslim. If Obama is now a Christian (he was a Muslim for awhile - it is merely a question of how long) then he is an Islamic apostate. He is a "Murtad Fitri" - someone born to a Muslim father who rejects Islam. The various schools of Islamic thought have different ideas on the different kinds of apostates and what should be done to each kind. This is why the issue of when Obama stopped identifying himself as a Muslim does have some significance.
Whatever view one takes on what Islam says about apostates, if Obama is not a Muslim now then he is definitely a Murtad Fitri. That, or Obama is a crypto-Muslim. Whether Obama is a crypto-Muslim, or he apostatized, he and his camp are lying. Either, they are lying in saying he is a Christian (when he really is a Muslim) or they are lying when they state that he never was a Muslim (when the facts say differently).
To give further credence to the idea that Obama is a crypto-Muslim is the gracious reception, and praise, he has been given by Muslim leaders of Muslim countries. Granted. it helped that he bowed before the king of Saudi Arabia. However, I cannot see multiple Muslim leaders meeting and associating with an apostate of Islam.
"So what if Obama is a Muslim," says the man with a multi-cultural viewpoint. Obviously, the Obama camp knows the significance it has to the America people or it would not have felt the need to lie. As recent Washington history demonstrates, the cover-up (lie) matters even if the original allegation is bogus or benign. It is a different discussion for a different day, but let it be known that many Americans are not coming from the same point of view as the person who would ask that question."
http://voices.yahoo.com/obama-crypto-muslim-apostate-5051750.html
But Obama is a puppet who takes orders from his masters. His religion seems irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, Buck.
His first Taqyyia lie
If one believes those Masters include the Saudis, then it matters more that Obama is a Muslim.
that obama is a muslim is massive red herring psy-op... that middle america falls for without fail. He, and his masters, worship evil. everything else is misdirection.
It is a total red herring.
Only a blind fool cannot see who he takes his marching orders from.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Barack_Obama_in_oval_...
Lincoln?
Absolutely! It is ALWAYS about power and money, always.
His and his puppet masters' religion is P.O.W.E.R. and the son of Power, M.O.N.E.Y.
What if Obama's puppeteers selected him precisely because he is a Muslim?
The puppet masters can select anyone they want, after all. Since it seems quite likely that Obama is a Muslim, what does that tell you about the masters, and what they might be trying to accomplish?
You gotta think this one all the way through.
Just like the piece quoted from the Independent... your comment has an amazing cohension and credible trajectory -if we shut our eyes real tight... and pretend that the elephant in the room... really isn't in the room at all. In the hollowed-out world of modern souless 'journalism' it's de rigeur I supppose... in your case, I don't just know quite from where comes the weird desire to sell your countries' interests out for a foreign powers'. But in the end, it's all for the same cause. War and bloodshed.
Christians versus Moslems... Moslems vs. Moslems... even, in case one needed the whole message reinforced, a reference to Christians vs Christians. It's the stuff that history books are full of -
and like your apologia for the usual suspects... full of it. Not once, never, nada, will the gaggle of goons who flock here to misdirect each story which involves the middle east, and Merika's lack of core interests therein ever ever ever mention the tiny terrorist statelet which directs the whole show... nor their multiple layers of international enablers who infect the upper echelons of every nation state with orders to bring us to war, not peace, terror not civility, dissension instead of understanding. And you honestly think this stinking stack of fish tales is going to go un-noticed on ZH>?
Your obsession with whether the puppet president is a creature of Islam is another red herring in a sea of puffer and blow fish... a slippery eel of distraction designed to divert our attention from the obvious. And it fails for all the obvious reasons... as the Kenyan could be a 7day Adventist or Shinto Buddhist... and it still wouldn't affect the fact that he is a creature of the cabbalist... a golem of their particularly ghoulish delight in creating multi-racial Frankensteins whose control panel is wired to receive the same instructions as go out to all the other implanted 'leaders' who dance to the sionist tune as marionnettes in a chorus line of lies.All to be soon enuff thrown under the bus... as is the fate of all their lackeys.
Now the die is cast... and we will surely see the war which the dupe goy enablers of the cabbalist criminal caste have long desired. And you, like the rest of cast ... will find the joy of it's appearance short-lived.
Does the suit make the man, or does the man make the suit?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander...
There are three ways to acquire money/power: make it, take it, or fake it. The third route tends to create bumps down the road, like in the case of Scottish Independence, where some of the most powerful Clan heads have basicly gotten the Scots bread out of them by the English in their greed.
"are we going to win this time?" I'm 'merican and when last I checked this whole "warring cuz warring is fun thing" is something only all those losers do/used to do. When did we start picking up the mantle here? As Defense Secretary Clark Clifford famously asked AFTER the Vietnam had already been lost..."What are your plans for Victory"? And those were first words after upon BECOMING Secretary fo Defense!
Re 'Shinto Buddhist', Shinto is the nature-spirit religion of Japan, Buddhism is quite separate, the religious movement from India that swept East Asia ... Both are popular in Japan, and some temple complexes include elements of both religions
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Re Zionism and Islam, it is important to note that Saudi Arabia's current rulers were installed by British intelligence at the same time as Brits began to pump the Zionist agenda ... and in its early days the Saudi rulers openly supported the Zionists (!) who were at that time a scorned minority within Judaism ... Most Jews were anti-Zionist before 1940. But the Saudis actually helped set up the State of Israel ! (see below*)
Saudi Arabia major international use of its billions of oil money, is to fund Islamic schools throughout the world pumping an extremist version of Islam that seeks to reverse the natural development of Islam, toward more moderate versions as are common in today's Turkey or in much of Pakistan ... Saudi Arabia seeming to be carrying out an agenda for the warmongers of the USA and Israel
Corrupting Islam with extremism, like Zionism has corrupted Judaism with extremism, and like right-wing Christians in the US corrupt Christianity with extremism, and the Vatican promoting its kind of corruption
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The rulers of Saudi Arabia the Saud family, installed in power by the British, and the leaders of their extremist faction of the Muslim religion, may both be Jewish in heritage, tied to the same Jewish movements as are associated with the Rothschild family:
« ... a tool by the British to destroy the Ottoman Empire and intensified after the British with its secret agent Abdul Wahhab installed the Al- Saud Family into power as revealed by historian David Livingstone.
The Al Saud Family which according to writer Mohammad Sakher, who was put to death for writing a book called ‘Zionist rulers of Saudi Arabia’ where he traced the roots of the Al -Saud family to a Jew who through treachery installs himself as a rich Arab Bedouin where he marries many women and spawns many children and is finally installed into power by the British and its agent Abdul Wahhab.
According to another writer D Mustafa Turan in his book, ‘The Dönmeh Jews’, Abdul Wahhab was a crypto Jew and his grandfather, Tjen Sulayman, was actually Tjen Shulman, a member of the Jewish community of Basra, Iraq.
After Ibn Saud was installed as ruler in Saudi Arabia, Abdul Wahhab began to propagate his own version of Islam under the name of Wahhabism. After the death of Wahhab his descendants maintained their supreme religious authority position and have been behind the most vicious fatwas designed to make Islam appear as a backward intolerant religion.
Whether the Saud Family are crypto Jews or not one fact is certain they have always worked against the interests of Muslims. They have allowed western forces to be based on Islam’s holy land, they allow women no rights; they have systematically destroyed Islamic heritage sites linked to the Prophet Mohammad and replaced them with gleaming malls where Zionist conglomerates »
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/10/255399/
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* Saudi Arabia was a partner of Zionist Israel from the very beginning, when the Sauds were installed in power by British intelligence after the fall of the Ottomans, pushing aside the Hashemite families that had ruled the Muslim holy land regions for centuries
« In 1919, at the Paris Conference ending World War I ... The Arab delegation ... was led by Faisal Saeed al-Ismaily ... a Bedouin Sunni steeped in the orthodox version of the religion ... the third son of the Grand Sharif of Mecca.
On Jan. 3, 1919, Faisal and Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, signed the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement for Arab-Jewish cooperation, in which Faisal conditionally accepted the Balfour Declaration, based on the fulfillment of British wartime promises of development of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, on which subject he made the following statement:
"We Arabs ... look with the deepest sympathy on the Zionist movement. Our deputation here in Paris is fully acquainted with the proposals submitted yesterday by the Zionist Organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as moderate and proper. We will do our best, in so far as we are concerned, to help them through; we will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home.
Even today, the House of Saud's allegiance to the Zionists who have massively displaced the Palestinian population, remains intact. ... »
The House of Saud:
British-Programmed Killer of Muslims, by Ramtanu Maitra
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2012/3938house_saud.html
Correct BGIB... examples of the most arcane demoninations of major religions served my point in this case...
which if anyone, sadly inevitable... missed it, is simply that the religious affiliations of any of the current puppets posing as 'leaders' of the western world are as meaningful and worthy of notice as the power of 7th day Adventists etc. to affect world events... and that the 'religious affiliations' ascribed to their hired guns in the middle east are as phony as a two dollar bill!
Also correct is your reference to the crypto-jewish background of the petro phonies masquerading as Moslems... they are descended from a group who rampaged and pillaged throug Medina and Mecca... killing 30000 Moslem defenders of the holy places of that faith...
and are now tearing down religious shrines all around Mecca to put up shopping malls and other idols of their real religions...
much like Sultan Selim is trying to do in Taksim Sq of the moment!
Two-dollar bills are NOT phony, they're as authentic as any other FRN!
This is what you were thinking of: Three-dollar bill. :>D
No denying BHO is a muslim alright. UR right, paternal birth under sharia law. Also, his Indonesian school card from when he was 11 y.o. states his religion is Islam and that his citizenship was Indonesian. That citizenship also excludes him from being president insofar as any previous citizenships exclude him from being president.
I did like how BHO let slip he was a muslim during a the George Stephanopolous softball interview,George stepped in to help him out.
BHO: "....blah.. blah... My Muslim religion, blah.. blah..."
George: "You mean your Christian religion..."
BHO: "Huh? uh... uh... yeah I mean my Christian religion ...blah.. blah.."
What I still really wanna know is, how does a guy whose father was indisputably a foreigner citizen achieve NATURAL BORN Citizenship status?? That is unpossible. Both parents must be American citizens without interruption.
Obama's birthplace matters if he is claiming to be an anchor baby -- "American Born" citizenship status.
Thank you in advance to the NSA for looking into these issues right away, as well as that computer generated forged birth certificate put forth by the WH.
Although it seems likely Obama was a 'Muslim child' in Indonesia, it was in care of a man who was actually his Muslim step-father, not biological father
Obama's real father seems clearly the black American atheist Communist Frank Marshall Davis ... Just look at the side-by-side photos of Davis and Obama
Here is a great 1-page photo history of Barack Obama's secret hidden family background
Emotional roots of how Obama became a sociopath drone-plane murderer of people everywhere, from Americans to Pakistani children
Page has strong rhetoric, but significant photos and well-grounded facts in the long history of documenting the 'real' Obama
Generations of emotional trauma on Obama's maternal side
- great-grandmother suicide
- grandfather abandoned
- mother Ann Dunham repeatedly traumatised as a child
- Obama himself abandoned and traumatised, including by his mother
Obama's mother posed for nude porno photos by black Communist, Frank Marshall Davis, almost certainly Obama's real father ... Davis authored a book, 'Sex Rebel Black' under name Bob Greene, describes threesome sex with Obama's mother
Comparing photos of Obama and Davis, and Obama's claimed father ... it seems clearly to be Davis
Obama was cared for by a transvestite nanny 'Evie', now an elderly impoverished gay prostitute, abandoned by Obama
Obama himself became a teen-age pot-smoking, drug-using homosexual, a boy trying to overcome his demons with egotistical narcissism
Obama's gay male lovers, Larry Sinclair, Donald Young, Reggie Love, Kal Penn
Barack Obama joins the 'community organising' political stream following Saul Alinsky, who dedicates his book to Lucifer ... Obama himself becomes a Luciferian, willing to spill innocent blood for the feeling of 'power'
Obama suddenly made connections, he mysteriously gets a lucrative book deal, Ivy League 'credentials', suddenly a political 'superstar' tho for no clear reason
Obama - not seen with women - gets hooked up to marry Michelle as a 'cover' by Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Well-done Obama history with the photos ... the background of the crimes of murdering children and making wars, the ultimate result of 'Barack Obama'
http://www.tomatobubble.com/presidentpsycho.html
obama's mother was Jewish... an extremely important detail here, that is always overlooked.
That makes him a Jew, as well. Jewishness is passed down through the female line, not the male.
A black Muslim Jew. We are so incredibly fucked.
I got the same impression after watching Dinesh D'Souza's 2016 movie.
In other words, the fantasies conjured up by Hussein Obama's mother, regarding his alleged Kenyan father, were so phantasmagorical, it's as though she was trying to provide a substitute for some other truth.
That other truth likely being that Hussein Obama is the biological son of pornographer and communsit Frank Marshall Davis.
A DNA sample is really what's needed; how to obtain one?
are you shitting me?
Banksters & their armies of goons are robbing nations blind & you think that matters?
Wow.
No wonder "citizens" are so easily played.
It matters in the sense that he does have some destructive power to attack, undermine, subvert, and assault the Constitution of the United States.
and yet that power is not diminished at all if you accomplish the DNA test goal.
Not a bit. Nor is his removal able to remove that power: another puppet will take his place.
The problem is not the person on the throne, it's the fact there IS a throne.
You're still being played and instead of trying to fix the problem you're concerned WHICH imaginary bow-tie the emperor is wearing, as if the wrong one invalidates the office, all the while the truth is the emperor has no clothes at all.
Running around in tiny circles trying to solve a non-existent problem solves nothing: the entire OFFICE of US president is fake, phony, a puppet, no matter who is elected, no matter what "party". They are all property of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan. Once your government was better armed than you the citizen, you already lost the key battle.
"...Obama's gay male lovers, Larry Sinclair, Donald Young, Reggie Love, Kal Penn..."
Imagining Rahm having a hissy fit. did you omit him just to piss him off?
Sad how they met untimely deaths.....
Mass-media-driven political correctness.
Once a nation or civilization is conquered by political correctness, it would seem to be pretty much finished.
The fact of the matter is that Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist.
go watch secrets of my real father
Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real daddy.
Your argument about Obama being Muslim is bunk: according to what you say, Obama is a Muslim under Islamic rules. But are you Islamic? Are the majority of Americans Islamic? No, so under YOUR rules he is not a Muslim. (under my rules, I am a Living God but others might not agree)
"The idea that Barack Obama is a Muslim is not far-fetched"
People in white house have no religion.
sure they do... but, the entry requirements involve things that most normal humans would refuse...
He must be a Sunni muslim too.
"Banker" is the ruling religion of the western world.
I think he's the worst president of all time. Can't wait for the next (worse) one.
"I think he's the worst president of all time. Can't wait for the next (worse) one."
Seems that being the worst ever is the new 'legacy' that they all strive for.
Seems almost every president is the worst president. Reminds of Office Space, every day is a little bit worst than the last, making every day the worst day of his life.
You're saying that Barack Obama is actively supporting Muslim extremists in Syria? Just like he did in Egypt and Libya?
No... that's the international sio-nazi tel aviv controlled press saying so Buck! And no matter the fervor with which you wish to buy into it... it's a dog that wags it's tail... but it don't hunt.
US supported a group of mercenaries and dupes pulled together out of lands where it has operated as a promulgator of terror and destruction... trained and armed them, then gave them instructions to imitate the CIA's impression of what 'radical Islamic terrorists' do... and then sets them loose to bring down secular, multi-religious states in the middle east which aren't sufficiently cow towing to the talmudist terror states' agenda of the moment. You can call them whatever you wish... Muslim extremists... murderers, lackeys, mercenaries of the moneypower, whatever... ain't gonna change a thing!
They dance to Washington's tune...
and Washington dances to the dual-citiiZened agents of the tiny terror states' polka of phariseeutical power. Kinda like yourself, in your own small way it seems! Good luck with that!
btw... great to see you add 'crypto' to your vocabulary... did you know it comes in a lot of flavors n styles Buck? Check it out man!
"You can call them whatever you wish... Muslim extremists... murderers, lackeys, mercenaries of the moneypower, whatever... ain't gonna change a thing!"
~~~
Cheesepopes need water toters... It's like that when you happen to be a 2%'er... You see ~ Bangladeshi's, OTOH, live in a 'below sea level' patch of land...
It's all about 'geography' don'tcha kno...
I think he is a wannabe Jew.
Interestingly, much of his administration and many of his supporters are of Jewish descent; notables include:
Ben Rhodes, Cass Sunstein, Arie Perliger, Jack Lew, Lois Lerner, Steven Miller, Doug Schulman, Peter Orszag, and Gyorgy Schwartz.
Just scratching the surface, I'm sure.
The former French Minister of Foreign Affairs has publicly made a statement that the British Government intended to overthrow the Syrian government for political reasons, long before there was civil unrest (fomented by the British) in Syria.
“…Britain had been preparing gunmen to invade Syria two years before the crisis there flared up in 2011…”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-minister-of-foreign-affairs-britain-had-been-preparing-gunmen-to-invade-syria-two-years-before-the-crisis-there-flared-up-in-2011/5339218?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=former-french-minister-of-foreign-affairs-britain-had-been-preparing-gunmen-to-invade-syria-two-years-before-the-crisis-there-flared-up-in-2011
What Clegg thinks or says is pretty irrelevant, so he can say what he likes. More importantly Cammeron and Putin are meeting today in Northern Ireland prior to the G8. Syria the main item on their agenda. Their meeting has been well publicized, unfortunately we will not get live TV coverage. Just some bland after the fact statements.
Update: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22928196
BBC due to broadcast press conference live
Just thinking about Cameron and Hague makes me mad. Out of nothing these war criminals have destroyed a prosperous country, Libya and thrown the whole population into desperation. Just because the UK and the US want to control the resources of Libya. To hell with the population of Lybia, this is not the interest of these two criminal sociopaths.
I only wonder that the French are also still on this brutal neo-colonalism trip. I thought France is a country with culture. It doesnt look like this anymore. To hell with this coward Hollande.
Former French Foreign Minister Dumas Asserts that Britain, Not U.S., Planned War Against Syria Long Ago
http://larouchepac.com/node/26968
Made in London: The Syria Trigger for World War III
http://larouchepac.com/node/26977
It's always been the Brits and the fucktard Queen. Obama is just a puppet.
It also shows you that yes, Britiain also has the keys to AL-Qeada, along with Saudi Arabia at the very least. Makes 9/11 come fuller into focus, doesn't it. (Because Britain/Saudi Arabia used Al-Qeada against us).
Glass-Steagall
BINGO.
At least some of us are aware the british are running out of control, just invading whoever the hell they feel like invading using the US military to do it. Including the US.
Yeah, even a six year old can tell when his country has been invaded (albeit passively).
So, when yall are ready to run the fuckers off, you kniow who to call.
Cornholis was a retard, that mentality has not changed as it is made obvious every single day.
I don't get it, what's in it for the Brits?
"the Brits" have been run by the Rothschilds since the first half of the nineteenth century. Get up to speed, please.
Excellent observation OP...
At the time Baron Edmond began establishing Jewish settlements in Palestine the Rothschilds were heavily involved in the Russian oil market. The Rothschilds, who together with Marcus Samuel of Shell Oil Transport, achieved dominance in the world oil market over John D. Rockefeller and his Standard Oil Company, when they developed an oil tanker approved for use through the Suez Canal. The passage through the Canal would be the cornerstone of the Rothschild’s oil business. Shell Transport would later become Royal Dutch Shell whose Sumatran oil would also to pass through the vital Suez Canal. As oil became more important to the world, through new applications and markets, the canal became more important to the world.
In time, the Suez Canal would be acquired by Britain///with Rothschild money///loaned to Britain by that same party, (who made more than 80000 pounds on the deal!) Talk about having your cake and eating it to!
I'll buy that for a dollar.
Bring back Glass-Steagall now!
Glass-Steagall is about reducing risks.
Right now we need to reduce CRIME. JP Morgan, HSBC, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs - JAIL TIME NOW
hate to break it to ya, but G-S ain't comin back, unless dressed up as a Trojan Horse.
The UK is going to be Energy Destitute in a few short years. The gas line from EU (to be filled in Qatar via Syria) is their life line.
Without it, They are at Putin's(ie Russia) whim of supply. Not a position which they favor.(see Ukraine a few years ago mid winter)
Also do some reading (very enlightening on timetables and effects) on the 2000 gas EU gas strike in the UK.
Read this and see how motivated Gov.s are. Read the Effects, Read the Timetable just a week or so and ....
Impact of September 2000 Fuel Price Protests on UK Critical Infrastructure
http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/prg/em/ccirc/2005/ia05-001-eng.aspx
The world is running out of Cheap, Easy to attain, and ship Energy. Look at what the DOD study document that Snowden put up.
The study also warned of a possible shortfall in global oil output by 2015:
"A severe energy crunch is inevitable without a massive expansion of production and refining capacity. While it is difficult to predict precisely what economic, political, and strategic effects such a shortfall might produce, it surely would reduce the prospects for growth in both the developing and developed worlds. Such an economic slowdown would exacerbate other unresolved tensions."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/14/climate-change-energy-shocks-nsa-prism
The Geopoliticals are lining up around the last watering holes left. I wouldn't bet on the Gazelles getting anything before the lions.
The same article goes on that civil unrest over all this is why the drones, ammo, etc for the civil side.
We are that penny you roll into that donations upsidedown cone. Going around and around lower and lower, faster and faster.
A lot of systems will breakdown from the speed and vibrations the faster we go.
Ok hold on here, please help me connect the British dots:
On the Rothschilds issue, what does Britain being controlled by the Rots who in turn made their money from oil shipping have to do with Syria which has little oil and whose nat gas line would not threaten the Rots?
And then on the question of UK energy supply constraints, how does a nat gas pipeline thru Syria help a country whose biggest problem is getting crude, not nat gas?
Here's zerohedge peddling British MI6 propaganda. How come only British journalists have access to this information and no one else. Do Britaish journalists have access to the highest level of Iranian government? The same britain hosting the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/sarin-gas-use-in-syria-this-has-tonkin-gulf...
Mr. Cluster, meet Mr. Fuck!
and it's 1 2 3 what are we fighting for? don't ask i dont give a damn, next stop is syria!
...just hope and pray
when they drop the bomb
they drop it on (fill in your target here) __________
Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
Whoopee! We're all gonna die!
at least some people know country joe mc donald, guess i'm showing my age!
what happened to our spirit. were we only concerned for ourselves then. saddly i think most were only concerned for their own asses. the idealistic generation turned into the most materialistic self-centered generations of all time.
Those Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops are wearing the US 6-color desert camo pattern (aka "chocolate chip") that was used up until around 1991 or so. Irony.
Irany
Are you fukkin Syrias right now?
Hope they're better than the elite Iraqi republican guard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdxV8JRnUQ
Amazing how Saudi money aligns the US with Sunni Islam and all those National Guardsmen are ready to join their USMC compatriots fighting for Wahabbism against the Shias. China and Russia line up with the Shias and the nice geographic crescent of Iran, Iraq and Syria and Lebanon gives Russia the buffer it needs.
So obvious that just as the UK/US used the Muslim Brotherhood against the USSR so they intend to use Sunni Extremists to destablise Russia through Chechnya and The Caucasus.
A Proxy War against Russia is the real agenda so it is time for Russia to defend its borders and prepare to repel US attack
Geopolitics aside, one thing we know about Putin is that he despises Muslims. He had first hand experience dealing with them in Chechnya, so he knows the threat they present.
I think Putin knows exactly who Obama is, and what he's about: advancing Muslim fundamentalism in Africa and Asia. Putin probably doesn't give a shit about Africa-- that's China's territory and problem-- but he sure as shit isn't going to let the Muslims gain political control of another country on the Asian continent. Especially given the realities in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have become Muslim shitholes, mainly thanks to all the fucked up shit that, basically, the US has become responsible for.
Thanks for providing evidence of your ignorance of Chechnya, not that it was really necessary.
Actually the ignorance is on your part.
Chechnya became a hellhole because of racist wahabi ideologies that flowed into cultural vacuum in the 90's.
http://fsb.ru/fsb/media/video.htm!f%3D21%26blk%3D10437220.html
Geopolitics aside, one thing we know about Putin is that he despises Muslims...
Actually Buck... the one thing we know about Putin is that he thinks "Geopolitically" ... to despise is not the mode of the chessmaster...
but rather, the device of the small man... who wastes himself on the little things whilst those around him make the big plays. But as your current comments' convolution of truth demonstrates so well...at least you make it easy to get something out of your monolithic diatribes against "the Muslim"...
just turn everything you say upside down... you come out like a 'geopolitical' genius Buck!
I don't disagree that Putin knows geopolitics. I think you are gravely underestimating what he thinks about Muslims. The Chechen Muslims are sick, sick motherfuckers.
Not to put too fine a point on it Buck... but what he 'thinks' about the Muzzies...
and what he might "feel"['despise' being an emotion] about them are two very different things. Putin tends to the 'thinking' side of things. You implied the opposite... and in doing so, I believe, gave your own agenda away instead of his.
I am willing to suppose that the Russian grandmaster may carry a surfeit of 'contempt' deep within... but for the Kenyan, rather than any amorphous group in the vast sea of his enemies. And it's certainly not beacause of the Kenyans' putative religious affiliation!
As for the Chechens... unless I've spent time amongst a group, I can't make any sweeping statements about them. I don't know the Chechens. I do know the chararcters who have armed and stirred them up in pursuit of their own millenialist agenda...
and they are indeed... sick, sick motherfuckers; the Chechens are fleas on the dog.
dup
Wouldn't it be great to know just what Putin knows about Obama ?
Certainly, Putin knows far more about him than Americans do. That seems absolutely certain.
I'm still interested to know who the biological father is; many signs point to radical communist Frank Marshall Davis.
Putin does not despise muslims, he despises terrorists and scum, like jihadi cannibals and politicians like Obama