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Mark Skousen: Surveillance Technology Is Advancing Faster Than We Can Responsibly Use It
Submitted by Adam Taggart via Peak Prosperity blog,
In the wake of the recent news revealing the extent of the NSA's level of citizen surveillance through supernetworks like PRISM, Chris speaks this week with Mark Skousen, former CIA agent turned founder of FreedomFest, one of the countries largest "gatherings of free minds".
Mark argues that in this case, technology has advanced at a far faster pace than our culture's ability to understand how to use it effectively, responsibly, and how to regulate it:
I think its like the Pentagon papers back in the early 70’s where we definitely need to tell government "You’ve overstepped your bounds".
I mean look, I worked for the CIA, I understand the need for secrecy, I understand the need for intelligence especially against foreign threats. But there are plenty of ways to do this without this wholesale invasion of everybody’s emails and telephone records. You don’t have to use those methods and in many cases we haven’t used those methods and yet we’ve kept so many terrorists plots from being carried out. I’ve talked to a number of my CIA people and they have all kinds of means and methods of finding these things out that are pinpointed without violating the 4th Amendment, the right to privacy with the ordinary US citizen.
And while the PRISM leak is raising an important debate about where to draw to draw the line between security and civil liberty, Mark doesn't feel the world has changed enough to depart from where the divide has been over past generations. And without hard constraints agitated for by the populace, our security apparatus will continue to expand and invade:
I don’t think it’s so much that the world is more dangerous; it’s just that the technology has advanced so rapidly that we’re now facing a situation where with these unmanned drones that can be the size of a mosquito and are taking pictures. We have GPS: they’re considering a rule to mandate that it be in every car, every cell phone so we know where you are at all times. The capability of the NSA to collect all of this data, this is all new technology -- it’s kind of like new military weapons: you always want to try them out.
The invasion of privacy is growing faster in technology than the privacy protectors. So I think that’s really what’s going on: they’re just using this as a ruse and excuse to use this new technology.
As mentioned, Mark is also the founder of FreedomFest. Within the podcast, Chris commits to posting a link to a brief video about the event - here it is:
Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Mark Skousen (33m:18s):
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Chris Martensen: Today we welcome Mark Skousen as our guest. Mark is a nationally known investment expert economist, university professor, the author of more than 20 books and the editor in chief of Forecast and Strategies, a popular investment newsletter. But he is perhaps just as well known today as the founder of Freedom Fest, an annual non-partisan festival billed as the world’s largest gathering of free minds.
Now over the years many peak prosperity readers have advised me that Freedom Fest would be a great audience to introduce to the Crash Course as it’s comprised of many independent … read more
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thats exactly the thang,
at one point in the future, complex ai's can do everything on their own, and will eventually surpass human logic. its just a matter of time. computers and robots will rule the world... someday
:)
watch terminator 2 for proof :P hahaha
Google and Lockheed now have the first functional quantum computers. Will be orders of magnitude faster when quantum computing is fully developed and perfected.
"technology has advanced at a far faster pace than our culture's ability to understand how to use it effectively, responsibly, and how to regulate it. "
Their agenda is to use the most effective technology available,
without regard for responsibility or regulation.
D-wave has really fast computers but certianly haven't proven they are 'quantum' computers - not to mention they use very loose definitions.
"D-waves" -- thanks, I had forgotten the name from when I last looked up how close we are reported to be to quantum computing. I understand D-waves are prototypes with some entanglement issues. See, those are the ones we know about.
Thing is, I'm not convinced the NSA or the military would settle for second place, or even tied for first to Google or Lockheed. If the NSA actually did have a functional 30 qubit quantum computer it would be self defeating to brag about it so I'm not expecting a ribbon cutting ceremony. But the new NSA center is supposed to use as much electric power as the entire city of Salt Lake City, UT.
NSA has the fastest computer, the titan. D-wave stuff is pretty experimental.
Bitcoin network has the fastest super computer in the world, close to 2 exaflops, about 1000 times faster than the NSA Titan crap.
The weapons will arrive shortly in the Central Park, NYC.
Alah, Jihad, Obama, Unicorns.
That's nice, but how do I opt out?
The most important thing in a free society with limited government is that I retain my right to be LEFT ALONE.
This thing is like spam or "smart" meters. Every excuse under the sun will be used to justify it, but in the end, like with most other forms of government, there must always be a way to opt out.
Consent.
Use TPTB's need for (the appearance of) legitimacy against them directly. They rely upon our "myths" -- founding stories and the Constitution -- to manufacture our collective consent to their governance via the ballot box.
Instead of voting for their twin-party candidates, yet again, in the next election, we should instead encourage people to step into the voting booth and, without voting for *any* candidate, mark their ballot "No Consent".
Our consent is the foundation of the Constitution. TPTB must have it in order for their governance to be considered legitimate. Why not attempt to revoke that consent? How will their politicians oppose it? By running against the Constitution? By making more campaign promises? Show them for what they are...
Does being rich count as a way?
Nah..If you don't dope up or otherwise diminish a decent example of humanity??
We're pretty fuc^ing incredible actually.
Evil has a way with us, but that's just a lack of proper perspective bug.
On a long enough timeline...
And then it's just a matter of time before artificial intelligence becomes artificial insanity and then they're right back to being us. See 2001 Space Idiocy for proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARJ8cAGm6JE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8N72t7aScY
If you pay attention, HAL goes mad because his <PUBLIC> orders are contradicted by his <SECRET> order.
While the film leaves it mysterious, early script drafts spell out that Hal's breakdown is triggered by authorities on Earth who had ordered it to withhold information from the astronauts about the true purpose of the mission (this is also explained in the film's sequel 2010) [wiki or read the novel]
It's also the reason that Ash in Alien goes mad and tries to kill them.
I'm not sure, but I'm sensing that SF writers keep on warning about a certain problem, and its consequences, over and over and over again. Could SF possibly be allegorical? Nah, it's for children, of course!
I don't know about complex AIs. People in the CS field have been studying AI for decades without that much to show for it. I'd say a "human brain equivalence" is still quite a long ways off.
Who calls the shots? I mean, at the top.
Who will want to run for politcal office in the future? Everything one has done on the computer will be in a dossier somewhere at the DHS headquarters. Whoever is the supreme commander will just send a email and say "if I were you I wouldn't run for senate".
This is what the Apocalypse is for, to separate the false from the true.
"Surveliiance Technology is infringing upon our Constitutional 4th Amendments faster than we click the remote button from the 'DWTS' season finale"
~~~
There ~ fixed it...
If 'cheesepope 'entertainment' & foie gras is what you worship... then cheesepope serfdom is what you will receive'...
Every government or private employee that acts without a search warrant should be prosceuted under federal law. That would stop it.
I'll have Eric get right on that!
I am still trying to figure out how to use my iPad 2 with a robust 720p.
Should I feel bad about it? or should I skip my next mortgage payment and buy the iPad6 ?
all your data are belong to us
Any day now I expect some newspaper to reveal that Obummer and his folks are monitoring monetary flows on a large scale, too. After all it's all about communication AND money.
that was years ago, when the NYT revealed s w i f t
Every weapon held by the cartel is a tool to enslave you through fear.
TeamDepends
...and every weapon is just a tool
we need moar fool-control
Man Shoots Hat Off (LOL overload)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNNvjbzrC0Q
Yep although if there is any dependency like bullets for a gun
Run out of the dependecy then it is worthless for most technology the dependency is energy.
With the deterioration and decline of the middle class in the US and the rising poverty rates, somehow all this high powered technology seems incongruous with what is happening.
Why should we spend all this tax money on the latest and greatest technology and PEOPLE resources to capture every pimple and mole and thought of every American when the Americans themselves are descending into a lifestyle worse than their parents and grandparents.
Personally, I don't get it.
There's nothing to get, there are pathetic, vain, petty little Bitches who have been elevated to the status of gods through their total information complex. They will act as such, to elevate themselves by whatever means necessary. They don't care, all they want is personal gain. They don't care about the future, most of them rebuke any kind of system which self replicates, there is no future in their analysis, only a hatred of the predominant "traditions".
See Goebbels quote as to why he joined the party.
The only members of the founding bolshevik party to survive without being assassinated were the chairman, and the head of the racial justice and integration committee.
It's called building a moat for when the people get hungry
Pointless building a moat with IT. Who in serious poverty is going to be holding an apple iphone let alone how do they afford the energy to ever recharge it if they were to attack.
Pick up that can!
Go off grid, go old school, Go Galt. Fuck the fascists. No problemo. If they start killing people who simply choose to ignore them, we win.
Those pricks at Google and Lockheed now have functioning Quantum computers so if you think you can out run them with crypto, it won't work. They still can't eat iPads.
http://gigaom.com/2013/05/21/brrr-the-chilly-conditions-that-quantum-com...
Your first part rocked, but quantum computers are just a dream at the moment.
If encryption didn't work, the thugs would have picked up a LOT more people by now.
I understand that those D-waves are prototypes and there are entanglement issues regarding remote monitoring without direct observation. But I'm not sure the NSA and military apps would have less horesepower than Google.
Without the key(s), one-time pads can never be broken.
All this monitoring and there are 7 people dead and 36 people shot in Chicago over the weekend...there were 3 people killed in the Boston bombimg. Clearly the monitoring and use of the technology to prevent crime has limits in order to not be racist.
Can't seem to get a line on all those illegal immigrants or drug dealers, either.
PGP, bitchez!
http://www.gnupg.org
https://gpgtools.org
I'm gonna check that out. Thanks!
Check out https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en as well.
'course, any strong crypto is like lighting a flare on a dark, moonless light --> "Hey! All Y'All, Watch THIS!!!!!"
TOR is awesome, but slow
TOR is a CIA-developed honeypot.
http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/no-conspiracy-theory-needed-tor-created-us-go
Funny, we still can't seem to get those new fangled recording devices into the offices of the politicians or the police. Isn't that funny how that works?
And that concept is the division between us and them but it shows more, tiwist every thought.
This is star trek SPOCK logic.
We get monitoring 24/7 shoved upon us wether you like it or not even if you do no wrong. So if you even did anything wrong you would then be caught. Leaves only one other case that is all those now exempt have always been doing wrong and therefore need special exclusions and they know it. Only with previous form and future intent would you you need this exclusion where "previous means they intend to do that again".
WHAT MORE EVIDENCE OF GUILT IS NEEDED? Not alot ... won't need a trial just a firing squad will do.
Even funnier, I cannot be guilty because those monitoring have not arrested me yet *** fucking awesome ***
Walk round with one of those sandwich boards tomorrow saying THE NSA KNOWS I AM INNOCENT on the front , on the back BUT THE NSA IS FUCKING GUILTY. Yuo saying like from the SPOCK logic.
Is technology really advancing that much faster, or has human morality just regressed so far that we now choose to blame the inanimate machines?
The invasion of privacy is growing faster in technology than the privacy protectors.
This is actually a rose-colored view of things.
In reality the main problem is not the insufficiency of existing privacy protections (to cope with new technology), but the purposeful disabling of those protections by all three branches of government.
hans zimmer's music stirs up some powerful emotions...
that video would've flopped with a voice-over....
although maybe morgan freeman would've done it some justice...
This guy has to be a plant. His message seems to be that the government is good but just having trouble dealing with the legal ramifications of their technology. And he subtly shifts the blame to "culture" from the pricks of government.
I call BS!
The problems is a rogue, thieving, murdering and criminal government. See the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence for reference.
The Four Rs
Rejection--Quit paying, quit obeying
Revolution--They need to go
Retribution--Really, is their any place in a restored civil society for the likes of Reid and the rest like him?
Restoration--Restore the Constitutional republic
Loved you post, but one issue with this: Restore the Constitutional republic
Go ahead and restore it if you like, but don't try to force me into it.
Responsible use has nothing to do with it. We have a President who is using any tool neccessary to destroy his conservative opposition whether it be the NSA, IRS, EPA or any other department under his direct control to insure the progressive/marxist/statist takeover of the USA.
wtf.
You STILL believe in conservatives and liberals?
democrats and republicans?
Do you believe in the easter bunny too?
Which man-in-black will be the first extropian singularitarian?
1984 George Orwell, Part 2, Chapter 9
With the development of television, and the
technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end.
the will of the State, but complete uniformity of opinion on all subjects, now existed for the first time.
Iam going in for my RFD chip and 4g transmitter with my federal id# implant this coming week The new upgrade in brain wave recognition is great so now Gubment knows all my thoughts an whereabouts
Voices in my head told me to do it
Iam going in for my RFD chip and 4g transmitter with my federal id# implant this coming week The new upgrade in brain wave recognition is great so now Gubment knows all my thoughts an whereabouts
Voices in my head told me to do it
"Voices in my head told me to do it." -- SeeNoEvil
Then you're getting an upgrade, not a new install.
ALL Technology Is Advancing Faster Than We Can Responsibly Use It. fify. not just surveillance, but genetic engineering,HFTS, weapons tech- puny humans, wecant act or react fast enough to responsibly use many kinds of tech. "just because we can doesnt mean we should"
Not that it will do anything but.....
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_prism_global/?dCrqPeb
What garbarge. Do all of the devices still have "off" buttons? Problem solved. Stupid fucking sheep.
'pends upon the function of the "off" button, don't cha' know. - Ned
Or do like I do leave the cell / mobile phone at home make it random. Be in two places at once then really puts a cat among the pigeons.
Got to admit think they will move to chipping people next so the previous only works till they do.
wait, what?
You mean a REAL off button or the pretend kind where most modern electronics use less power but not zero?
Paraphrased as close as I can remember but the point is accurate:
Obama: "This is something that we as a society will have to debate and determine how we balance the right to privacy vs the need to be 100% safe"
That would be all well and good but society won't get to participate in the debate. Only a few hundred folks, if that many will actually have a voice that matters. Also since when did anyone decide we had a guarantee of safety in this world? You could set up minder's in every household and not be able to guarantee someone's safety. It's nonsensical for anyone to expect or even desire that amount of safety.
If you want to understand what's going on, look no further than insider trading in companies that benefit from sale of hardware and contracts to government.
Nice posting of Chris and Mark Skousen. Refreshing to hear of people working together to do something despite the adverse actions in Washington.
When I hear of cutting middle class jobs I always jump to the defensive because I can't see how anyone can tell to what extent of a problem subsidized jobs are without first stopping the criminality of Wall Street and the corruptio9n in Washington. So I say to myself ya right cut the poor peoples incomes because they are clearly a drain on the economy when its like 1000 times more detrimental what the FED and Military Industrial Comples are doing to the economy. So how the hell can you justify cutting poor people's jobs no matter whether they are government jobs or not when you have this monstorous parasitic corporatocracy sucking all the wealth out of the system. It just brings my mind to think that it is by design that the elite would make it appear to reputable good thinking people to go after the poor instead of them for the solution to economic policy. I'm not saying that the department of education should even exist but what I am saying is that first you stop the crime at the top and then work your way down otherwise you'll never resolve the real economic problems.
But yes great presentation. I really like Chris Martenson
It's astonding how much is outsourced Electronically. Work being done in India etc and uploaded to servers. Many many American IT people out of work. It's more cost effective to not have the Pension, health care, etc by outsourcing Electronically.
Never mind all the MFG move offshore.
WHAT jobs? Nail salons? Phone Stores? What is there?
"The means by which we live have outdistanced the ends for which we live. Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men. -MLK"
My favorite MLK quote is still very much relevant.
"Surveillance Technology Is Advancing Faster Than We Can Responsibly Use It"
Well that's a lot of complete bollocks
Computers are electronic versions of the toilet flush mechanism, namely pre-programmed intelligence... they cannot assimilate info, only file (database) it
it takes a paranoid delusional muppet (NSA operative) to sort the info, take it to the Govt's sewer scum (lawyers) and harrass/proescute ...a computer will sit on its arse all day every day for the next Century and do sweet fanny adams
don't blame the toilet for the shits in Govt
The same goes for "smart bombs", "dones" and "smart weapons". They're expensive and have lots of blinking lights, but still go bang the same way as dumb weapons do and they don't hold territory like boots on the ground do.
"technology has advanced at a far faster pace than our culture's ability to understand how to use it effectively, responsibly, and how to regulate it. "
What B.S. - - - they love to hide behind generalities & word concepts like 'our culture'
No, what's taking place is individual people are violating the US Constitution and acting as criminals. This isn't about 'protection' but about control. They are trying to use this for their own personal advantage.
They try to spin b.s. and frame it as though some natural force were causing this degradation of our Liberty, rather than criminals.
Planet earth is a perfect, fragile ecosystem wherein all of its inhabitants, including humanity, has been provided the necessary components to live and survive.
Ancient and modern civilizations have been taught something counter to the very basic and beautiful balance of life on our planet.
Humanity has been indoctrinated to believe and therefore to produce a different, false reality.
At birth we are presented with this false reality learned from our parents and then taught in our tightly controlled education systems that to survive, to be of any worth, one must achieve success in the form of production and wealth and the trappings of their enslavements.
Take the time to watch - time to get off the hamster wheel.
http://12160.info/video/trans-humanism-genetic-modification-of-all-life-...