NSA Admits To Warrantless Wiretapping According To House Judiciary Committee Member

Tyler Durden's picture

More confusion, or just more lies? You decide.

In an exchange first caught by CNET, Rep Gerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, questioned FBI Director Robert Mueller late last week about the NSA surveillance programs.

Nadler asked Mueller if a warrant is needed to listen to the content of a domestic phone call. Mueller said a national security letter is needed to get subscriber info and a FISA warrant is needed to get content. Nadler said he was told the exact opposite.

At a closed door briefing earlier, Nadler had been told that  if the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee. Nadler added that he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."

CNET adds more:

Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.


Because the same legal standards that apply to phone calls also apply to e-mail messages, text messages, and instant messages, Nadler's disclosure indicates the NSA analysts could also access the contents of Internet communications without going before a court and seeking approval.


The NSA yesterday declined to comment to CNET. A representative said Nadler was not immediately available. (This is unrelated to last week's disclosure that the NSA is currently collecting records of the metadata of all domestic Verizon calls, but not the actual contents of the conversations.)

Watch the exchange below:

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caimen garou's picture

just confusion about all the lies!

jwoop66's picture

Thats a mighty redundant handle you got there fuzzy lil feller!

knukles's picture

Kinda but not OT.
Saw a headline, "Bloodbath in Chicago" so I link to the site.  Get a red McAfee don't go there, warning, bad shit gonna happen note.
It's the Chicago Tribune merely reporting the facts, news of the day in Chicago.
And you're all wondering if they're listening?
Actively steering people away from the bad news of the day related to the PTB...

Are they listening?
D U Fucking H

smlbizman's picture

it opened for me......24 shot overnight into sunday morn...numbers already revised upward


dwdollar's picture

Maybe the reason there's so much confusion is there might be more revelations to come... and the various actors are trying to cover their asses in various ways. As if that's necessary in a world where one can commit perjury without so much as a "slap on the wrist". Remember the days when we complained about people being "slapped on the wrist"? Man those were the golden days of justice...

Meat Hammer's picture

VERY OT but I thought I'd share.  Children defy Capitol police.  Freedom, bitchez.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04MNf1YdNxI

Bay of Pigs's picture

Spending Fathers Day with my 91 year old dad who fought in WWII and I watch that clip and think, "WTF happened to our country?".

I can't even imagine how he feels. Just fucking disgusting and embarrassingly stupid. 


philipat's picture

Oh what a tangled web we weave...........

Boris Alatovkrap's picture

In former Soviet Union, when underground is to pass communication, first increase noisy in transmission. Think of spam and junk mail! To thwart NSA, American resistance is make so much noisy communication, NSA must is listen to 3 or 4 time crap and can't hear real communication. Privacy is quiet conversation in loud bar room.

1C3-N1N3's picture

Is like when in tire factory, can openly make flatulence without notice. Because factory is already pungent, it goes undetect. Because factory is already noisy, it goes undetect. I am safe! Thank, Boris!

DawgAss's picture

There is NO WAY this is possible. It is just some NRA bullshit propaganda because Chicago is a model for gun control laws!!!!!!! (sarc off)

RSloane's picture

Percentage of gun owners to home owners in my community - 100%

Number of killings - 0

Number of robberies - 0

Number of drive-bys - 0

Number of shootings - 0

Number of home invasions - 0

Perhaps something else can explain the perpetual violence in Chicago other than their most excellent gun laws. ;)


sunnyside's picture

ixnay on the ackblay stuff.  It certainly isn't part of the equation.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Just like mass murder is symptomatic of being a white male?

sunnyside's picture

I think you meant Muslim.  They are much more prolific at it.

CrockettAlmanac.com's picture

Yeah, I remember the day that the black Muslims attacked Columbine and then when on to rampage in Pearl, Edinboro, Aurora and Newtown. But wait a minute -- those weren't black Muslims -- they were guys that look like you! Which of course makes you a murderer by your own criteria.

RSloane's picture


I was referring to the stringent gun laws in Chicago not working, and the softer gun laws where I live working just fine. Even the Amish here have hunting rifles and do go deer hunting or wild turkey shooting.

I'm not quite sure why you brought race into it. Its almost as if you are assuming there are no responsible, community invested, gun-owning Black families in my area. If that was your assumption, you are wrong.

sunaJ's picture

Security, surveillance and secrecy is compartmentalized in various ways - like layers of an onion.  Many of the security firms contracting with the government do not even know what other security firms are doing.  It allows for plausible deniability, and if one program is discovered, they can deny more criminal surveillance techniques by only commenting on the specific program under scrutiny. 

First, there are hundreds of different surveillance programs that work to do various things...one program may be to gather metadata, another may be to directly surveil the content of both historical and real-time communications.  Criminal investigations have tiers of protocol, meaning that if you are a law enforcement officer involved in a drug investigation, you may have to jump through certain hoops, including obtaining subpoenas, warrants, etc to  private communication companies.  With "national security," my feeling is the government has granted itself not only unfettered access by hoovering all internet data (they have attached themselves to the backbone internet servers shortly after 9/11) and then receiving blanket secret court authorization and national security letters to browse the data. 

If you are buying fertilizer (or any number of multi-use products), or you even harmlessly browse the internet to understand a news event such as Syria, then the NSA and its contractors can, using their own personal discretion or voyeuristic whims, execute a number of more intrusive surveillance techniques, including real-time monitoring, key-stroke logging, desktop visualization, webcam/microphone monitoring, etc.  It is in the interest of "national security," and the most unfettered tier of "criminal investigation."  They will not use this information in any arrest warrants, but will instead use whatever information that they find and file warrants with less-intrusive and "by-the-book" methods of investigation to make it appear that the unconstitutional surveillance was never part of the investigation.  I have seen this done many times over various types of crime investigations.  This way, if they do not like what you are doing, they will find some way to charge you with a felony that may or may not even be related to their paranoid concern.  Meanwhile, they are making lists and cataloging people, and it appears this government is hell-bent on becoming "the decider" of such things as medical benefits and food assistance.

The most astounding is that this has been done with no public input or debate for over a decade.  It has been done secretly, because they know that it completely violates your constitutional rights.  Connect the other dots regarding DHS behavior and I see an extremely paranoid government that really has no fear of a terrorist attack, but they rather fear the inability to control their domestic population.  They will let you say what you want to say, but as soon as you attempt to gather as like-minded individuals, that is where the proactive targeting of you will begin at their whim.  Remember, this is all being done for your protection.


FeralSerf's picture

"this is all being done for your protection", i.e. so they won't need to shoot you with one of those .40s.

Winston Churchill's picture


Great comedy written by Lawrence Saunders;The Andersen Tapes, outlines your meme.

Written 20 years ago.A modern'much ado about nothing'.

You will bust a gut laughing until you start crying.

People forget the heyday of state spying was Elizabethan England,

Elizabeth the first that was.


Libertarian777's picture

can't remember if Ron Paul said it or if he was just quoting it, but to paraphrase

"I don't need to have a good memory. I just have to tell the truth".

With lies, you forget what you've said before and thus they become exposed.


Truth, however, is treason in the empire of lies.

jmc8888's picture
Obama's NSA Spying Program Is Far Bigger Than the Public Imagines June 14, 2013 • 9:54AM


WarriorClass's picture

Hey NSA,


........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...') 
..........''...\.......... _.·´ 

freewolf7's picture

A picture and a thousand words.
I loved it, and this is not gonna look good on your dossier.

There's probably a good Tommy/The Who/ FEMA camp quote for here.

insanelysane's picture

The good old days when most people had printer terminals instead of a a CRT terminal and even on a CRT that was how you did graphics!

samsara's picture

I decided. Lies

i-dog's picture

Yep. Lies. Look carefully ... you'll see his lips move.

Bay of Pigs's picture

"It was my understanding......I'm not sure I understand the question, , ummm, err, lies, blah...."

Pretty clear everyone is lying about everything now. The economy, inflation, UE, war, spying, etc...

RSloane's picture

Absolutely they are. MSM, banks, corporate heads, the Fed, NSA, the IRS, our Dear Leader, congress....you name it, they are always ready to serve up some tasty porkies to us.

They are now lying to each other. Its their own rendition of "who's on first".

Andrew Jackson epitaph's picture

"talking jew, lying mouth." Victor Hugo

knukles's picture

I'm confused.  None of the lies agree.

samsara's picture

That is a tell tale sign of lies by definition

stocktivity's picture

Meanwhile the good old SEC slipped this one by us this week that went under the radar -


"The SEC proposed new rules for the money-market fund industry that it hopes will help shield the financial system from shocks that could put the economy at risk.

The SEC's second proposal attempts to more directly discourage investors from making runs on money funds. It envisions a stable share price but includes charging investors a fee for redemptions during times of stress. Also, fund directors could suspend redemptions for up to 30 days."

aint no fortunate son's picture

Cyprus anyone? 30 becomes 60 becomes forevah

the grateful unemployed's picture

end game is here is the cashless society, suppose they offered you a credit card account, (or a debit card) on your MM account. (same rules against cash withdrawal would apply, in the case of the CC a cash withdrawal fee, but you could use the card at Starbucks) datamining isn't much different, in the future you'll go to the airport but if the algorithm has identified your name, you'll be on the no fly list. no problem you just talk to the TSA agent, get patted down, and you're on your way. they won't thrown anybody in jail, but they'll isolate them, socially and financially, like the sewer mutants in futurama. 

Ignatius's picture

I pay cash for everything I can, but I realize 'my protest' is akin to workin' a push broom against the tides.

samsara's picture

Ya still every little bit helps. Good on you.

FeralSerf's picture

I do too and I don't EVER provide truthful information to any of those "loyalty" card programs. Nor do I carry a "smart" phone.

Spread the word. The more people that do this, the better. It will save them money and freedom in the long run.

g'kar's picture

Mee too...just my power bill etc comes out of the card now. I also stopped my internet purchases. Local and cash.

samsara's picture

Notice that cute little device for the iPhone to read credit cards and do the sales transactions? I think you will see they will be required for all person to person transactions. Think flea markets, farmers markets, gun shows etc.

Then outlawing transactions at those venues without them.

They need to nail down all person to person transactions and these are the first step.

BobPaulson's picture

Even MSM is amazed the criminal revolving door set can never be busted:


Troy Ounce's picture







FeralSerf's picture

If you don't have a piece of tape over the camera lens, your own computer is watching you. It listens as well.

jwoop66's picture

Haven't read it yet, but Nadler?  Mueller?   


I'm calling Lies.