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NSA Admits To Warrantless Wiretapping According To House Judiciary Committee Member
More confusion, or just more lies? You decide.
In an exchange first caught by CNET, Rep Gerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, questioned FBI Director Robert Mueller late last week about the NSA surveillance programs.
Nadler asked Mueller if a warrant is needed to listen to the content of a domestic phone call. Mueller said a national security letter is needed to get subscriber info and a FISA warrant is needed to get content. Nadler said he was told the exact opposite.
At a closed door briefing earlier, Nadler had been told that if the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee. Nadler added that he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."
Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.
Because the same legal standards that apply to phone calls also apply to e-mail messages, text messages, and instant messages, Nadler's disclosure indicates the NSA analysts could also access the contents of Internet communications without going before a court and seeking approval.
The NSA yesterday declined to comment to CNET. A representative said Nadler was not immediately available. (This is unrelated to last week's disclosure that the NSA is currently collecting records of the metadata of all domestic Verizon calls, but not the actual contents of the conversations.)
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just confusion about all the lies!
Classical Zionist!
Thats a mighty redundant handle you got there fuzzy lil feller!
Kinda but not OT.
Saw a headline, "Bloodbath in Chicago" so I link to the site. Get a red McAfee don't go there, warning, bad shit gonna happen note.
It's the Chicago Tribune merely reporting the facts, news of the day in Chicago.
And you're all wondering if they're listening?
Actively steering people away from the bad news of the day related to the PTB...
Are they listening?
D U Fucking H
it opened for me......24 shot overnight into sunday morn...numbers already revised upward
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/1-Dead-12-Wounded-in-Overnight-Shoo...
Maybe the reason there's so much confusion is there might be more revelations to come... and the various actors are trying to cover their asses in various ways. As if that's necessary in a world where one can commit perjury without so much as a "slap on the wrist". Remember the days when we complained about people being "slapped on the wrist"? Man those were the golden days of justice...
VERY OT but I thought I'd share. Children defy Capitol police. Freedom, bitchez. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04MNf1YdNxI
Spending Fathers Day with my 91 year old dad who fought in WWII and I watch that clip and think, "WTF happened to our country?".
I can't even imagine how he feels. Just fucking disgusting and embarrassingly stupid.
Oh what a tangled web we weave...........
In former Soviet Union, when underground is to pass communication, first increase noisy in transmission. Think of spam and junk mail! To thwart NSA, American resistance is make so much noisy communication, NSA must is listen to 3 or 4 time crap and can't hear real communication. Privacy is quiet conversation in loud bar room.
Is like when in tire factory, can openly make flatulence without notice. Because factory is already pungent, it goes undetect. Because factory is already noisy, it goes undetect. I am safe! Thank, Boris!
There is NO WAY this is possible. It is just some NRA bullshit propaganda because Chicago is a model for gun control laws!!!!!!! (sarc off)
lulz
Percentage of gun owners to home owners in my community - 100%
Number of killings - 0
Number of robberies - 0
Number of drive-bys - 0
Number of shootings - 0
Number of home invasions - 0
Perhaps something else can explain the perpetual violence in Chicago other than their most excellent gun laws. ;)
ixnay on the ackblay stuff. It certainly isn't part of the equation.
Just like mass murder is symptomatic of being a white male?
I think you meant Muslim. They are much more prolific at it.
Yeah, I remember the day that the black Muslims attacked Columbine and then when on to rampage in Pearl, Edinboro, Aurora and Newtown. But wait a minute -- those weren't black Muslims -- they were guys that look like you! Which of course makes you a murderer by your own criteria.
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I was referring to the stringent gun laws in Chicago not working, and the softer gun laws where I live working just fine. Even the Amish here have hunting rifles and do go deer hunting or wild turkey shooting.
I'm not quite sure why you brought race into it. Its almost as if you are assuming there are no responsible, community invested, gun-owning Black families in my area. If that was your assumption, you are wrong.
Security, surveillance and secrecy is compartmentalized in various ways - like layers of an onion. Many of the security firms contracting with the government do not even know what other security firms are doing. It allows for plausible deniability, and if one program is discovered, they can deny more criminal surveillance techniques by only commenting on the specific program under scrutiny.
First, there are hundreds of different surveillance programs that work to do various things...one program may be to gather metadata, another may be to directly surveil the content of both historical and real-time communications. Criminal investigations have tiers of protocol, meaning that if you are a law enforcement officer involved in a drug investigation, you may have to jump through certain hoops, including obtaining subpoenas, warrants, etc to private communication companies. With "national security," my feeling is the government has granted itself not only unfettered access by hoovering all internet data (they have attached themselves to the backbone internet servers shortly after 9/11) and then receiving blanket secret court authorization and national security letters to browse the data.
If you are buying fertilizer (or any number of multi-use products), or you even harmlessly browse the internet to understand a news event such as Syria, then the NSA and its contractors can, using their own personal discretion or voyeuristic whims, execute a number of more intrusive surveillance techniques, including real-time monitoring, key-stroke logging, desktop visualization, webcam/microphone monitoring, etc. It is in the interest of "national security," and the most unfettered tier of "criminal investigation." They will not use this information in any arrest warrants, but will instead use whatever information that they find and file warrants with less-intrusive and "by-the-book" methods of investigation to make it appear that the unconstitutional surveillance was never part of the investigation. I have seen this done many times over various types of crime investigations. This way, if they do not like what you are doing, they will find some way to charge you with a felony that may or may not even be related to their paranoid concern. Meanwhile, they are making lists and cataloging people, and it appears this government is hell-bent on becoming "the decider" of such things as medical benefits and food assistance.
The most astounding is that this has been done with no public input or debate for over a decade. It has been done secretly, because they know that it completely violates your constitutional rights. Connect the other dots regarding DHS behavior and I see an extremely paranoid government that really has no fear of a terrorist attack, but they rather fear the inability to control their domestic population. They will let you say what you want to say, but as soon as you attempt to gather as like-minded individuals, that is where the proactive targeting of you will begin at their whim. Remember, this is all being done for your protection.
"this is all being done for your protection", i.e. so they won't need to shoot you with one of those .40s.
Exactly.
Great comedy written by Lawrence Saunders;The Andersen Tapes, outlines your meme.
Written 20 years ago.A modern'much ado about nothing'.
You will bust a gut laughing until you start crying.
People forget the heyday of state spying was Elizabethan England,
Elizabeth the first that was.
can't remember if Ron Paul said it or if he was just quoting it, but to paraphrase
"I don't need to have a good memory. I just have to tell the truth".
With lies, you forget what you've said before and thus they become exposed.
Truth, however, is treason in the empire of lies.
http://larouchepac.com/node/26950
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A picture and a thousand words.
I loved it, and this is not gonna look good on your dossier.
There's probably a good Tommy/The Who/ FEMA camp quote for here.
The good old days when most people had printer terminals instead of a a CRT terminal and even on a CRT that was how you did graphics!
I decided. Lies
I confirm. Lies.
Yep. Lies. Look carefully ... you'll see his lips move.
"It was my understanding......I'm not sure I understand the question, , ummm, err, lies, blah...."
Pretty clear everyone is lying about everything now. The economy, inflation, UE, war, spying, etc...
Absolutely they are. MSM, banks, corporate heads, the Fed, NSA, the IRS, our Dear Leader, congress....you name it, they are always ready to serve up some tasty porkies to us.
They are now lying to each other. Its their own rendition of "who's on first".
"talking jew, lying mouth." Victor Hugo
I'm confused. None of the lies agree.
That is a tell tale sign of lies by definition
Meanwhile the good old SEC slipped this one by us this week that went under the radar -
"The SEC proposed new rules for the money-market fund industry that it hopes will help shield the financial system from shocks that could put the economy at risk.
The SEC's second proposal attempts to more directly discourage investors from making runs on money funds. It envisions a stable share price but includes charging investors a fee for redemptions during times of stress. Also, fund directors could suspend redemptions for up to 30 days."
Cyprus anyone? 30 becomes 60 becomes forevah
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-05/slamming-money-market-%E2%80%9C...
end game is here is the cashless society, suppose they offered you a credit card account, (or a debit card) on your MM account. (same rules against cash withdrawal would apply, in the case of the CC a cash withdrawal fee, but you could use the card at Starbucks) datamining isn't much different, in the future you'll go to the airport but if the algorithm has identified your name, you'll be on the no fly list. no problem you just talk to the TSA agent, get patted down, and you're on your way. they won't thrown anybody in jail, but they'll isolate them, socially and financially, like the sewer mutants in futurama.
I pay cash for everything I can, but I realize 'my protest' is akin to workin' a push broom against the tides.
Ya still every little bit helps. Good on you.
I do too and I don't EVER provide truthful information to any of those "loyalty" card programs. Nor do I carry a "smart" phone.
Spread the word. The more people that do this, the better. It will save them money and freedom in the long run.
Mee too...just my power bill etc comes out of the card now. I also stopped my internet purchases. Local and cash.
Notice that cute little device for the iPhone to read credit cards and do the sales transactions? I think you will see they will be required for all person to person transactions. Think flea markets, farmers markets, gun shows etc.
Then outlawing transactions at those venues without them.
They need to nail down all person to person transactions and these are the first step.
Even MSM is amazed the criminal revolving door set can never be busted:
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeye/episode/the-untouchables.html
YOUR LAST POST MADE YOU AN ENEMY OF THE STATE. STOP TYPING AND REPORT IMMEDIATELY TO THE NEAREST POLICE STATION. A DRONE AND CCTV WILL WATCH YOU.
STOP TYPING.
STOP TYPING, YOU MORON
WE HAVE THE KEYS OF YOUR HOUSE
If you don't have a piece of tape over the camera lens, your own computer is watching you. It listens as well.
Wave , and blow kisses at the screws/ guards.
No wonder that keep repeating those 'Lockdown' TV programes.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/how-to-keep-your-communications-private/
Haven't read it yet, but Nadler? Mueller?
I'm calling Lies.
Nadler has confirmed Snowden's assertion that low level NSA employees can tap into anyone's info. But you have decided that as Nadler is Jewish that means he's lying and therefore the NSA is not spying on Americans.
Hadn't thought about, nor do I care about Nadler's religious affiliation. Not one of the anti-joooz people, myself. He is a democrat, though, and they are ALL liars. Yes, I know the other party is full of liars too.
.....and now
listen.......to soothing sounds of....... cloud 9.....
What's Sarah Palin's position on all this? That's all I need to know. Can't be bothered to check, though.
fetal
Doggie Style
Ummm I love her little red soled spiked heels. Wha'd she say?
The message is all non-verbal, wink-wink.
Sarah Palin: “Our government spied on every single one of your phone calls but couldn’t find two pot-smoking deadbeat Bostonians with a hotline to terrorist central in Chechnya. Really?… And it’s built an apparatus to sneak into all of the good guys’ communications but…whoopsi… It missed the Fort Hood murderer of our own troops despite this Islamic terrorist declaring his ideology in numerous army counselling sessions and on his own business cards. But, whoops... no red flags there. Really?”
Barack Obama: “If people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress, and don’t trust federal judges, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here.”
Thanks. Any Palin on Snowden quotes?
Haven't looked yet....hold on... Nope. Nothing.
Only this, from TheRightScoop: "Interesting that, unlike others, Sarah Palin has declined to join in on the vilification of Mr.Snowden."
Personally, I think Snowden is akin to a Nazi soldier who refuses to just 'follow orders' that he sees as not only immoral, but clearly unlawful. Glad he had the guts to open the debate on the police state and domestic surveillance.
Sarah Palin gets me hot.
Never underestimate the power of T&A to get the sexually challenged dogs interested. Jesus and Co. is playing with your dick again.
Her words get me hot. Get your mind out of the gutter!
I love her for her mind as well, and the fact that she doesn't have a drop of royal blood in her veins like most of the nobility in Washington DC's lines of succession.
Sarah MILF said what?
That pic must have been before she started wearing the Israel flag pin...
It should be clear from that pic how "her mind" could make a (perverted) Christian hot. It's all about how one baits the hook in order to catch the most fish (a Christian metaphor).
I wonder what Hillary, Janet Reno or Madeline Albright would look like in that outfit? Maybe WB7 can help? I'll try to keep my mind out of the gutter (and my breakfast down).
The reason why the East German Stasi regime failed was not because they had not enough surveillance but to much. The Stasi regime was simply unable to process the vast amount of data in order to clearly identify "enemies", because they suspected anyone and everything of collaborating against them. It seems to be symptomatic for a failing state that it gets paranoid and loses complete touch with reality and it's own people.
Paln sums it up pretty well. Good thing for tptb most people are averse to tcritical thinking.
ZH Banner Ad when I arrived:
"(2 people are spying on you)"
Well I hope 'they' enjoy my taste in naked women.
Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean you're not being followed.
Life in mind-fuck, city.
Dammit, I demand to know who else is spying on you besides me! Sneaky bastards...
Apologies, I didn't realize you had him covered already. I'll back off.
me too, but instead I'm spying on both of you cuz you let him off the hook too easy so you're suspect too - no more mistur nice guy in amerika
ZH part of the program too?
I'm sure it's monitored closely, but given the Tylers specifically relocated the servers to avoid US jurisdiction, I would say no.
It's important to record, collect and keep everything we say and do so we can stop that .0005 chance of turrrism happening. This is totally worth bankrupting the country over....
" When I was growing up, we were afraid of Big Brother watching us. Now, with Obama, we actually have a brother watching us. "
Jay Leno
"It's important to record, collect and keep everything we say and do so" they can cherry pick the data to criminalize anyone, anytime.
You don't need George Orwell or the Stazi, when you have your "democratic" government wasting untold monies sorting through the redundant, while missing the relevant.
The road to hell is, indeed, paved with good intentions. The evil intentions just get a free ride.
If the government needs to know everyting about the people, why can't the people know everything about government?
So.... an ANAL-List may listen in on any GoNadsler's conversation. Got it.
To work in a government agency job and politics, you must be a professional liar. This is nothing new.
Heh its astonishing how quickly people forget.
"Quick start a war to distract them!"
"Tragedy and hope" by Carroll Quiegly
Read it if you havent already.
I'm going with lies.
So in the new political lexicon:
"breaking" has been replaced with "interpreting"
I wonder if these analysts have Scottrade accounts? I wonder if they read corporate emails addressed from CFO's to Corporate mouth pieces just before earnings announcements. I wonder if they use their databases to follow which stock quotes get the most hits on Yahoo Finance. I wonder if they are the source for anonymous tips in various cases.
I was thinking the same thing .... many, many possibilities with this ....
So many spies that they move the market. Maybe the Bernak is not manipulating the markets afterall? It's the front running spooks doing it.
Hmm maybe we should look at those airline trades again just before 911.
They've been studied by Poteshman (2006) and Chesney (2010) and they both concluded that insider/informed trading had occurred, but the 9/11 Omission Comission reassured us that these trades were conducted by those "with no concievable ties to al Qaeda".
Hedge accordingly.
So it would be safe to say that the President (who did in fact swear an oath to uphold and protect tthe Constitution) will immediately take action and bring these criminals to justice. Oh wait, the NSA Directors swore the same oath.
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"Nobody is listening to your phone calls." - Liar in Chief, 6/7/2013.
They seriously need to whip out some perjury and impeachment proceedings against everyone who's "informing" congress. Broken as the system is, you can't have oversight if the information the overseers get is complete shit.
This also completely confirms Snowden's claims about being able to listen to anyone, and shows how much more they're lying. He was right, more to come. I wonder what comes after this?
YOU LIE !
Maybe instead of the traditional oath of office, politicians should just read ZH's (non)policy on conflicts.
To wit: "You should assume that at all times we are so totally just talking our book it would shock and awe you like the unexpected, early-morning arrival of a cluster of BGM-109C Tomahawks".
But our Kenyan president told us differently. And Hillary said, “What difference, at this point does it make?”
So what?
[Assassin, Assassin.. Assassin]
Just another Sunday morning, weeding out the corrupt elected officials who want to install a new global currency by destroying US Reserve currency status.
What a botomless toliet this country has become. As I posted earlier, as anyone else come to the conclusion that we as a people have approached this whole "TERRORIST thing assbackwards.
Let invite certain killers into this counrty, get them pointed in the proper direction and let them terminate all our bankers and politicians seeing as we have neither the courage nor the balls to do so ourselves. Pay them well, oust them out of the country as foreign invaders and maybe we can solve the instant problems that way.
Cerainly our current huff and puff idiotcy is not working. Milestones
It's really simple.
Step One: Members of various spy and "security" agencies involved in warrantless wiretapping need to be ousted from their jobs.
Step Two: A list of members of Congress who are on the record in support of PRISM need to be identified so that grassroots political organizations can prepare to target those folks with strong political candidates to run against them in the next election...or target their limited funds to those races.
Step Three: Legal proceedings need to move forward to prosecute individuals involved in warrantless wiretapping so that prosecutions can move forward based on Constitutional Law.
Step Four: Various members of Congress who believe that this spy scandal is the responsibility of the President need to organize impeachment proceedings.
Everything else that goes on is almost certainly designed to confuse or otherwise run out the clock, hoping that Average Joe just forgets this incredible violation of our Constitutional protections. To any and all of those who are offended by these simple bullet points that I have put forth here...it is incumbent upon me to point out that you...you are a fascist.
End of story. Let's not waste our time on the usual government/media circus that surrounds such happenings as these. Regarding the media...the 4th estate has already failed this citizens of this country to such degree that opinions formed in that group are simply meaningless.
Maybe we could have a new war, instead. Or maybe a new reality TV show.
"Couple of years go by, and one day there's gonna be a knock on his door and there'll be this stranger. "Paul Lazzaro sent me," the stranger will say and then he'll pull out a gun and shoot his pecker off..." -- Vonnegut
So it goes.
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"reality TV show." If there's a camera around, reality is on a cold slab in the morgue.
"Maybe we could have a new war, instead."
Maybe we could have it HERE!
A person is delusional if one thinks the Bill of Rights applies to them. If one has a social security card they have entered into a contract with Congress to be subject to them. So what if it's a fraudulent contract, the onus is on the individual to rescind it now. This person is a citizen of DC, not a citizen of a state who agrees to coordinate with other states via the Constitution. This is why Americans have little or no recourse.
... Average Joe just forgets this incredible violation of our Constitutional protections...
Uh, what were we talking about?
Seriously though, this subject has already come up and been forgotten 3 or 4 times over the last 10 years. Why would anything be done this time? The red and blue teams both fully support this, as well as the MIC.
They'll have a dog and pony show, but this story is the kind that the elites do not want to hear, so it will go away.
I don't think this one will last much past the Sunday morning shows, unless this Snowden character has more to release, or someone else blows a whistle.
yes, when you're born they give you a number. From that point forward, you have a name only for the purpose of friends and family, otherwise you are referred to in the govt. as SS# ...-..-....
Isn't it nice to live in a free country?
House Judiciary committee = total joke
What the fuck are they going to do ?
Among the 5 murdered or mysteriously dead US Congressmen in recent years, one of them was Judiciary Committee Sonny Bono, aggressively investigating when they killed him.
Current Judiciary Committee is quietly reminded of how Bono died.
Important but unknown recent story re US Constitutional Rights, is the extortion and threats of murder against US Congressman John Conyers, head of the US Congress House Judiciary Committee in charge of impeaching and removing corrupt US federal judges and Presidents ... It took place at the time Obama took office in 2008-09.
Black man from Detroit Conyers was naive, he had bought into the Obama hype, and he thought that with Obama's inauguration, he could move against the bribed federal judges who had jailed all those innocent black people, with Conyers' files proving the innocence of so many people in prison under the bribed judges.
So with Obama's co-operation, they threatened to murder John Conyers, reminding him of how they murdered US Judiciary Committee Congressman Sonny Bono in the 1990s ... and they jailed Conyers' wife under politically-motivated charges just to drive the point home. 'Make a move against the bribed judges, and you die,' they said. Conyers agreed to stay silent just to stay alive, and because Google Inc. would just spread lies about why and how he died, with nothing accomplished for the Constitution.
And then they shot dead US Federal Judge John Roll in 2011 after he ruled against Obama ... barely covered by US media, but a good warning to all other US judges. Play ball or die.
That is America.
America has proven that a nation can be run on the principle of plausible deniability. As long as the media is on board.
Who are "they"?
Belgium a bastion of the good?
Well, well
There clear as mud. They do not respond to actions imposed on them by a civilized society until enough people are threatened
We're there.
Taking targeted ads in the name of safety and 'national security' to a new level of intrusion.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/15/att-wireless-emergency-alerts-iphone-...
AT&T has begun rolling out Wireless Emergency Alerts updates for iPhone 4S and 5, so you won't be the last folks to know if the entire northern hemisphere is about to be covered in ice à la Day After Tomorrow. You'll receive a notification from the carrier when your update is ready, but only if you're using iOS 6.1 or higher. Once installed, AMBER and Emergency alerts are automatically sent to your phone unless you switch them off via Settings. However, should you be tired of Obama, just know that there's no way to switch off Presidential alerts. WEA messages are always free of charge, so you don't have to worry about going over your texting limit when notified that you need to get the hell out of dodge.
I can't wait to see what propaganda they spam the phones with nonstop to push their marxist agendas.
Looking more like Venezuela with hours of daily presidential propaganda programming everywhere.
On the new Blackberry 10.1 OS, I can turn every fucking notification off, except presidential alerts. Now why would I need to hear Barry Soetoro making an announcement on my mobile phone? It’s all quite clear now..
We'll Kill the Dollar
Dear alphabet soup agencies. You had better get in gear quickly. Your about to find out how you were being used during this whole Global coup d'etat process.
Verizon's had the same for years. Occasionally they even mess up and tell people we're about to be nuked: http://gizmodo.com/5867574/verizon-accidentally-sent-a-scary-emergency-a...
Interesting. This was the recent T-Mobile roll out for Zed series. What they don’t realize, I can roll back my OS to 10.0 and eliminate the need to be bothered by a community organizer who needs a teleprompter to remain coherent. Thanks for info, wasn’t aware of the Verizon calamity.
And, to top it off, 53 senators duck out of NSA meeting to catch flights home...
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/06/senators-skip-classified-br...
Douche bags...
And money shot from the article since transparency and openness is all the rage.
The Hill was not provided the names of who did, and who didn't, attend the briefing.
On the other hand, why stick around to get yet more (perjurious) smoke blown up your ass by these beribboned Strangelovians?
well for one thing because it's their fucking job
Which they cannot disclose because thats the pre condition of the briefing.
Its actually good so many missed it for whatever reason.
what a fucking disgrace... they went home on fucking Thursday to celebrate fathers day
or fudgepackers day, as the case may be.
NSA has been told Mosques are off limits, courtesy CAIR input to WH, so they are free to focus on the real threats: veterans, Ron Paul supporters, Tea Partiers, conservatives, Christians, gun owners, pro-lifers, and sound money advocates.
Muslim legal gun owners must drive the NSA computers crazy. What to do??
Don't worry, the spooks are following up on everything...
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=yisgGywD8FM&desktop_uri=/watch?v=yisgGywD8FM
Islam is a non-violent religion. at the organized level they disdain central government and a standing army (something the US has tried without success to create in Iraq). at a personal level they do not believe in graven images on the body, tattoes, or alcohol (which is why they see the US military as infidels). at the fundamental level they believe in no art which uses the human face or likeness (read MC Escher on this, he studied the tile patterns in mosques and replaced the abstract tile shapes with animals and such. he was aware this was against Islamic beliefs) most Islamic societies allow some figurative use of paintings of their leaders and such, even Iran. the 9/11 hijhackers were not ordinary islamic fundamentalists, and the public response to the attack was sorrow, not celebration, in most Islamic countries. that Bush made the war into one of blood lust and revenge is something he should explain, preferably from a jail cell, but that's another issue.
I thought you were using sarcasm at first...
Near as I can tell even the women and the truly moderate muslims remain silent because they are just as terrified as non-muslims of being murdered. To quote a male 'moderate' Muslim explaining, after another muslim killed his own daughter in an honor killing for dating a non-muslim, "The Sharia is our constitution, it always comes first, and it goes with us wherever we go."
Moderates understood that Obama's silence on the Iranian Green Revolution meant that when women like Nedda were gunned down no one is going to ride to their rescue, ever, if they speak out and don't go along Islamic totalitarianism.
Sunnis and Shias have fought amongst themselves for 14 centuries for control of Islam after Mohammad died.
Slavery of non-muslims is still accepted and practiced in the open in many muslim countries. It was perfectly legal until recently. Muslim countries never officially abolish slavery until the last few decades and the last one was 2003. Slavery is also violence, no?
One could argue Islam isn't violent if you argued it's only enforcement of sharia that kills you dead.
this is a Sunni led revolution, and its going on simulatenously in Iraq, Turkey, and now Syria. mostly we don't understand what's going on, but it is this secular revolt which is at center of the violence. Alqaida is a radical SUNNI group. the muslim brotherhood would like to dismantle the military in Egypt. all this secular pushback is going to dissolve the ME into nest of competing nations, rather than one religious nation. that seems to fit American policy, and runs counter to Russia, which prefers stability through political means, but stability.
You don't know the first fucking thing about Islam. Get your head out of your ass. This will help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1TzSVAPPm8&feature
"the 9/11 hijhackers were not ordinary islamic fundamentalists"
Mossad is not an ordinary Islamic terrorist organization.
Before you write about shit you have no frigging clue about, try educating yourself about ISLAM.
How did CONSTANTINOPLE become ISTANBUL? Must have been by democratic process.
Take your BS to Dniel Pearls family and tell them about "RELIGION OF PEACE" again.
Islam and the Discovery of Freedom, by Rose Wilder Lane Published by Minaret of Freedom InstituteFrom the book:
Rose Wilder Lane (December 5, 1886 – October 30, 1968) was an American journalist, travel writer, novelist, and political theorist. She is noted—with Ayn Rand and Isabel Paterson—as one of the founding mothers of the American libertarian movement.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Wilder_Lane
Contemplating these last few comments back and forth about Islam a thought popped into my head:
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
Well, that's a metric fuckload of bullshit.
The US government in my estimation is now rogue. These warrant less wire taps and all that it represents has now become the civil rights issue of our generation. What now are we going to do about it? Voting new guys in seems to make little difference.
It's come to the point where even the thoughts you write down in a blog can be used against you. What now? Where requesting the government follow the US constitution is somehow revolutionary. What now? How close are we to a conflict that used to appear only in bannana republics?
The solutions have been discussed many times on ZH
We all know what's coming as the gov't falls apart; it's too late to stop it. The best we can do is hasten the process so we can get to rebuilding afterward.
"collect rain water"
In Colorado, that sort of terrorist activity could get you a visit from the SWAT team.
Put down the water and walk away slowly, maggot!
Shaking my head
Collapse now, avoid the rush.
"O'Doyle i have a feeling your whole family is going down..."
"It's Big Brother. Get used to it"
Mayor Bloomberg
It is time to channel some Ronnie James Dio and Black Sabbath since the song is probably more relevant today than it was back in 1981.
Falling off the Edge of the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KZ-l2gxSI
Happy Fathers Day Bitchez, time to channel the animal spirits to fix this mess or we are done.....
This mess reminds me moar of the old Buffalo Springfield song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjSpO2B6G4s
Think of your kids and the groundwork being laid for the future your kids have to look foward to, we either stand up and pull back now or it is over.....
"I'm glad if my son's proud of me. But that's the bind I'm in 'cause I don't want him to be like me."
- Tony Soprano
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, chairman of the House Intelligence Committe, says this:
The NSA “is not listening to Americans’ phone calls or monitoring their e-mails."
also
Edward Snowden "betrayed the country."
The other acronym, the one no one knows about, does all the listening & data mining.
All on intelligence committees will cover their ass for failing to overwatch our liberties.
I also posted this under "Now you have to assume everything is collected"
I've been on line since 1992 and have assumed ever since then that, as my computer is connected to others, it can be accessed by anyone with enough knowledge and/or the right tools.
People used to joke about my tinfoil hat - now they want the pattern for how I made it.
This is about the government having power over EVERYONE.
Boston civil rights lawyer Harvey Silverglate says that everyone in the US commits felonies everyday and if the government takes a dislike to you for any reason, they'll dig in and find a felony you're guilty of.
His book is called '3 Felonies a Day'
http://kottke.org/13/06/you-commit-three-felonies-a-day
The NSA thing just makes TPTB's job so much easier and more convenient.
"I've been on line since 1992 and have assumed ever since then that, as my computer is connected to others, it can be accessed by anyone with enough knowledge and/or the right tools."
Only true for a majority of folks who don't understand how to protect their computers and have allowed them to become spam bots or otherwise infested with malware.
Using a NAT Router is a good place to start...Using strong passwords for Wi-Fi access is a good idea ...and creating an encrypted partition (or complete HDD) to store personal data on is v/good.