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On This Day In 2017

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With the meaningless focus on such distracting noise as daily POMOs, will/won't the Fed taper, how many shorts will the Fed's Markets desk squeeze today, and how massive will the second Fed housing bubble be, it is easy to lose sight of the big picture, namely just where is the debt juggernaut that is the US, heading? Conveniently, the US debt clock has a "time machine" function that extrapolates, at current rates of change, what the key metrics behind the US economic facade will look like.

So in a nutshell, on this day in 2017...

  • Total debt: $22.9 trillion (assuming "normalized" 5% interest means $1.1 trillion in annual interest expense)
  • GDP: $16.9 trillion
    • Debt to GDP ratio: 136%
  • Federal Tax Revenue: $3.3 trillion
  • Federal Spending: $4.1 trillion;  Federal Revenue: $3.3 trillion
    • Federal Budget Deficit
  • US Total Debt: $63.8 trillion (excluding unfunded liabilities)
  • Total National Assets: $167.2 trillion, $508,493 assets per citizen
  • Total Unfunded Liabilities: $152.4 trillion, $1,237,426 liability per taxpayer
  • Consolidated total debt and unfunded liabilities: $216.2 trilllion

And so on.

The constantly updated (and very sad) picture can be found after the jump:

 


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Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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On this day in 2017 the few hundred million remaing people on the world are trying to survive a hellish nuclear winter. The result of a dying empire taking the rest of the world with it.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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On what date is the debt clock set to go KABOOM?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Ham-bone
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Set to go boom on January, 1 2009. We are living in the brave new world now. Authoritarianism going parabolic in lock step with debt...they are one and the same.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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We're not living in Brave New World! Now excuse me while I go drink shooters and dry-hump stangers in public nightclubs.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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i wonder what the new lie of the day from potus will be

 

 

for some reason if its hillary in office i think she will be recycling a little bit from old bill....

said hillary"i did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Patriot Eke
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People like to suggest it will be a "New World Order," but our future will prove it to be an "Old World Disorder" instead.  Nuclear war will do that after all.  We'll all be back to old world technology, and disorder will be the normal (WROL).

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment financial apoca...
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Federal Spending: $4.1 trillion;  Federal Revenue: $3.3 trillion

bullshit thats just adeficit of 0.8 triple that shit

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment financial apoca...
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Federal Spending: $4.1 trillion;  Federal Revenue: $3.3 trillion

bullshit thats just adeficit of 0.8 triple that shit

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Bindar Dundat
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On this day in 2017 it will be five years since the last Presidential election ...... and counting.

http://www.larryobrien.net/my-worst-fear/

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Sooo...

"$1.1 trillion in annual interest expense"

 

Does that include a "tapering" effect? Or full blown ZIRP diarrhea?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment adr
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Two years away from the future world of Back to the Future II dreamed up in 1985.

No flying cars, no fusion reactors, no hoverboard, hell not even self drying jackets or self tying shoes.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Yeah but at least we have The Air Curler:

http://youtu.be/x6iGYbdEvTM

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment darteaus
Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment pods
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That has to be the most hillarious invention ever, next to the Thighmaster.

Might as well have both of them incorporated into the new workout routine "Fluffer Bootcamp."

pods

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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and no morals...

.

Just - ever de-volving down the drain...

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment Charles Wilson
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D - E - V - O !

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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are we not men?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Diet Coke and F...
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Don't worry, you will still be able to thumb a hundred bucks to save the clock tower...

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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AND flying cars:

http://www.terrafugia.com/

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment FlipFlop
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You are a pessimist. Accept the fact that the state has become a benevolent (?) big brother and be happy. Make no noise, just concentrate on what ever is told to you.

Soviet survival tactics become global.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment darteaus
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Maybe he's an optimist...

144,000

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Tyler is right to readjust his The-End-is-Nigh formula
to his blog. Nietzsche lent me a convenient excuse called
decadence, which I conveniently live out for the next hundred years of roman style imperialistic overstretch.

Sorry , no good news and no re-set of things .

The world will change beyond recognition even for any seasoned disparate globalist individual with the "free trade" agreement upon opposing imperialistic blocks.

Never let a crisis go to waste, this too will pass.

Pass congress, legislation, and pass by the voter
for good measure.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Silveramada
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also, friday and today both very slow days for PMs dealers as the crowds await the clown Ben to tell us no, he wont pull the oxygen dose of 85B/month...

http://zysites.com/silververitas/

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Colonel Jessup
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I hope you're wrong Dr. Engali, I hope these lunatics are not allowed to carry out such a diabolical act that is probably within their want to do.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:56 | Link to Comment pods
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Might as well double that as SS, Medicare, and Obamacare ponzis will have imploded by then.

Oh, and toss in another couple wars, currency collapse and the zombie apocalypse too.

I will take the over on that one please.

pods

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment knukles
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They forgot Lindsay Lohan getting out of the recovery center, again.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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Kim Kardashian's ass explodes!!!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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It already has......I think this thread is complete.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Scro
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LL will be offering the bung hole for $50 a pop in Las Vegas by 2017.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment kralizec
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So Barry won't be the only one?!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Scro
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Barry is the pimp.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Byte Me
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Haven't US Debt Clock.org been denigrated and ridiculed by the MSM yet?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment King Nothing
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Why would they, these numbers represent financial recovery, Ben told them so.

 

Don't you know anything this is elementary my dear byte me, elementary.

 

/sarc

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment jenniewadeguy
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Have Benny and the Jets seen this?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment JJ McApe
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no problemo, they can digitally print that in under one minute :D

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment MagicMoney
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Lulz.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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  • Consolidated total debt and unfunded liabilities: $216.2 trilllion

That works out to be $665,000 per citizen.  There is no chance that it can be paid down.

BTW, Kotlikoff has total debt and unfunded liabilties at over $240 trillion now.

Gold should be at least $3200 and silver $80 by 2017 if only the Fed would stop manipulating them down.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-08/blink-u-s-debt-just-grew-by-11-trillion.html

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment adr
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I think the game is to create a society where there are so few capable of resistance, and who ever care to resist that they can be put down almost immediately with very little effort.

I'm moving for a new job and I drove around the city where it is located. The decline of America was so apparent, you'd have to be Ben Bernanke himself not to see it.

America is moving to a 90/10 society. Either you can afford to be part of the 10% and live where they live, or you'll be living with the 90% sending your kids to schools where only 3% can pass a basic 3rd grade reading test.

But open borders with the promise of amnesty for votes will do that.

As long as the Power Party can stay in Washington and NY eating $250 per plate meals. Who cares if the rest of the country looks like Uganda ravaged by plague.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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Remember that MOTOR/VOTER laws allows one "to aver" that they are a citizen. You int have to show proof of citizenship at all. So, we just allowed anybody and everybody in the world to vote in our elections. You don't have to be a citizen anymore, just a resident.

We are truly fucked.

The uncle of my wife said that the constitution doesn't mean "shit".

Again....

We are truly fucked....

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment resurger
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Let them eat Twix, Snickers and Lays.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment ejmoosa
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It's too optimistic...

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment SpiceMustFlow
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my thoughts exactly

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Rainman
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5% ' normalized ' interest rates is called fallout......3% triggers the Big Bang

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment the grateful un...
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the debt has been moved off balance sheet by 2017. the government is still paying off that debt at low fixed rates. since the deficit is under control there aren't any real concerns. bernankes replacement announced 2% deflation targets, in order to shrink the money supply to a workable level. the low fixed rates present a savings relative to new higher rates, yes higher interest rates, with deflation equals no economic growth, who cares? no more extend no more pretend, we're just trying crash land this economy with minimal damage.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Minimal damage...the belief that chaos can be mastered and controlled...

Not going to happen.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment docmac324
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If Japan is 230% of GDP, are we're what, 107?  We have a long way to go before fiat implosion.  Hell, maybe after I die.

We'll need a hell of a good war here sooner or later.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment otto skorzeny
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5%?- they wish.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment youngman
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Obamacare will be good for 1 triilion in defecit spending every year by then...airlines will do well as people have to fly to other countries for an operation...Health tourism....

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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my neighbor is off doing that right now

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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It comes down to when the rest of the world gets terminally fed up (is unable) to absorb/import the US debt via the Ponzi that has become the USD.

Toward that end -- to postpone the inevitable -- TPTB will keep messing with the ability and resolve of the rest of the world and its pivotal players.  All is fair in fiat-love and war.  And the world will see plenty of both.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment geologyguy
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our dear leaders haven't banned that website yet?  I thought that was decreed un-american by TPTB?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment zrussell
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Following the Monsanto GMO catastrophe of 2015, the US Govt rules that all babies born with two heads will receive double EBT entitlements.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment venturen
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After Monsanto is forced out of business by the idealists. The world runs out of food. Cost of organic only corn and wheat goes to $200 bushel as disease resistance strains and pesticides are outlawed. 500 Million people a year are dying from lack of food. Oh happy days. 

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Do some fucking serious research before starting to type please.

Do you want everyone to think you are a brain dead arsehole?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment Wanton1
Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment CDNX fan
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All quite bullish for stock prices....look at Zimbabwe.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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I would like it if someone would, on 1 Jan of every year, take a snap shot of the Debt Clock time machine for the next ten years, and track the accuracy of the projections.  The US national debt will be at least $25T due to the bump of the inevitable recession we are entering, and we may not exit until after the collapse.

 

BTW:  I assume these are all Then Year projections, not Base Year 2013.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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Total debt is about 23 coins. Interest costs just over another coin a year.

Not too bad, just mint it.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Agent P
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At least Obama will be out of office.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:34 | Link to Comment sluggo
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I honestly doubt he will. Just need a crisis large enough and he'll stay in, "for the people!"

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 16:44 | Link to Comment BurningBetty
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wag the dog

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Suisse
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And we'll have Hillary instead! Happy days!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Hitlary for pres.....

Now there's a scary thought.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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it'll be Bush's 5th term.....

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:57 | Link to Comment logicalman
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It'll be the banksters 50th term.

Pres is just a glove puppet.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Pareto
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This seems appropriate:

Paul Krugman and John Maynard Keynes were out for a walk and they came upon a pile of fresh dog poop. Keynes, feeling mischievous, offered Krugman $25,000 if he would eat it. Krugman, being a trifle low on cash, decided to take him up on the offer and ate the poop. Then they walked on.

A little while later, Krugman, feeling rather ill and annoyed at Keynes for the cruel trick, decided to turn the tables on him, and when they passed another pile of dog poop offered Keynes his $25,000 back if he would eat it. Feeling rather foolish at having wasted all that money and anxious to have it back, Keynes complied.

As they walked on, Krugman remarked to Keynes, 'You know, neither of us is any richer, and we've both eaten dog poop.' 'Yes' replied Keynes, 'but we've increased the GDP by $50,000.'

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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...proving yet again that they are both full of shit!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:52 | Link to Comment DOT
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Thanks, Pareto, I needed a laugh!

I always wondered about Krugman's shit eating grin.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Pareto
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What........that its permanent? :)

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment DOT
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Thanks, Pareto, I needed a laugh!

I always wondered about Krugman's shit eating grin.

 

 

 

 

 

edit: oops!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Wynn
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plus both will receive a W-2G for gambling winnings, and .gov will hit them both for +/- 40%

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Hillary president, Krugman, Dimon or Corzine as fed head, napolitano as AG, democrats having a supermajority thanks to the amnesty bill...

You think you have seen insane things? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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I just threw up in my mouth....

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Hohum
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The bigger issue is all kinds of debt: public, household, corporate, whatever.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Thank you, Cpt. Obvious. Do bears shit in the woods? Take your time......

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment 1C3-N1N3
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They'll roll out a new currency and use it to buy up the dollar debt. Dollar appreciates, and the new currency will be used in the FEMA labor camps. Campers will be prohibited from holding/transacting in dollars.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:46 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Humanity now set on downward spiral to extinction....well it's been a pretty good 150,000 year run I guess. 

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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La cucaracha! La cucaracha! Ya no puede caminar.......

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment stinkhammer
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choom!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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O you actually think that the Mexicans, Guatemalans and anybody else coming here are actually coming to work?

Or is it because they can get all kinds of free shit, as long as they vote a certain way?

The Supreme Court must be taking CRAZY PILLS!!!

Instead of using the CONSTITUTION as the measuring stick to see if Arizonas law was CONSTITUTIONAL, these dumbasses used every precedent in the past to steer their decision making.

Methinks that these guys are fucking daft. What's it going to take for them to get their heads out of their asses.

If you can divorce at the individual level, how come you can't divorce at the soverign level??

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment css1971
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You can. You simply become a "traitor" subject to arrest and imprisonment.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:47 | Link to Comment kito
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your statement is not entirely true. most mexican, guatemalan, etc  undocumented workers bust their asses,  keep their head down, and their mouth quiet for fear of deportation. there have been entire villages in latin american countries without men because they have been in america working hard. im in the northeast, and i see the work they do.  id take a mexican worker over some fat lazy unionized american worker, who is actually the one getting all kinds of free shit. a mexican worker does the work in half the time, half the price, and twice the quality. that being said, the problem is they are remitting most of the money back to their countries, which america never sees. and, btw, the vast majority of latin american immigrants that work hard dont have papers and therefore dont vote.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Abi Normal
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Kito, hate to burst your bubble a bit here.  But I hired a roofer to do my shed, he brought over a Guatemalen guy, who preceded to screw the whole backside of the shed up, thinking I would not see it...I mean the rows were like the sea waves, and you could see the OSB, felt was missing!!!!!!  So don't count them all as hardworking and better quality, my experience was BAAAAAAADDDDDDDD!  I kicked the POS off my property, and he had the gaul to ask me for money for the job....I had the roofer (American) come over and do it right!  I paid him at a discount!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:59 | Link to Comment newengland
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Some people want cheap labor, and the quality of the job or the Republic they enjoy is something made by others, not them.

I pity illegals. I don't use them, and I despise the politicians and cheap employers who do.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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Brotherman,

My wife's grandmother came from Mexico illegally. Her son joined the USArmy, became a citizen and then passed the Q-Course to become a highly respected and successful special forces sergeant. He then graduated with honors from University of Southern California, so that he could get his commission. Retired as a colonel. Started his own successful business. My wife's grandmother came here to become an American. Only English would be spoken in the house. ALL of her children are successful AMERICAN citizens and are truly a joy to be with, especially when drinking a cerveza with the patriarch of the family.

What I was referring to in my earlier post was not that most folks coming here only want to suck off the system. That was not what I was inferring.

My position is that the crafters/writers of these laws (including certain select judges) intent is to create a whole class of political slaves (heard that term first here - political slaves and political slavery) indentured to a political class.

What is happening through this diversity non-sense is the straight up Balkanization of the US. and it is happening NOW...gated communities, militarization of the police forces, urban center blight, stratification politically and economically of the citizens and residents of this land.

Most of the folks coming here from south of he border have their allegiance to NARCO-MILITIAS, and have never had a taste of freedom and never will. They bring the baggage of their culture and language and have NO PLANS TO ASSIMILATE into the American culture.

Think ASLAN.

Not ALL of the folks coming here have the best interests of the host nation that they are residing in. There are a large portion that are willing to promote the destruction of this country couched in altruistic words.

How do you deport 11million illegals?
Easy. One at a time.

Do you folks who are here illegally have the same rights as a citizen of this country?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:41 | Link to Comment newengland
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kito,

So you employ illegals, and hate American workers who deserve a living wage because their ancestors made the country you lounge in. Pathetic. Those illegals do not make a Republic, and neither do your sort. Fool.

Enjoy the bankruptcy to come, made by you and your illegals, wanting more than you make, and sending better men on endless war to protect your juvenile sense of entitlement.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment resurger
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If you are in a hole, stop digging

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Goggles Pisano
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"Normalized interest rate" LOL. Debt will be $25 trillion at an average rate of 1.5% or $375 billion in interest rates. But the even better news is my kid will only have to pay $2000 for a case of my Depends.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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Reads like a complicated way of saying "WE'RE FUCKED".

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment dizzyfingers
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Debt-per-citizen vs dept-per-taxpayer, this very minute.

Taxpayers are screwed.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment artless
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Wait! I thought all we had to do was pass Paul Ryan's budget / 10 year plan and everything would be hunky dory.

Oh, yeah that's right even HE projected with his own idiotic plan a 20+trillion debt. The idea that voting for one delusional idiot over another or that Obama is in or out of office are both complete wastes of energy. No one in Washington has the balls to do what needs to be done and no in the country will face the truth that it is mathmatically OVER.

We can't pay any more pensioners, soc sec, welfare, mortgage deduction, child credit, earned income credit, farm subsidies, ethanol goodies, solar loans, pell grants, WIC, medicaid, medicare, scrip drug benefit, food stamps, or any other gravy train .gov hair brained scam any longer. The money isn't there. The world owes you nothing.

I won't even go into the farce known as "defense".

Oh, you "paid in"? TOO FUCKING BAD. You are also the assholes that fucked it all up so I have no sympathy for you juts like I have no sympathy for all the self-righteous "voters" that are complicit in all this. I "paid in" too. I HAD TO GET A FUCKING JOB AS A TEENAGER TO PAY MY FUCKING TAX BILL (FICA) WHICH TOOK %15 CAUSE I WAS "SELF-EMPLOYED". I've been getting robbed every year since.

Legalise the whole damn country of Mexico and throw in all of Central America just for fun and every native born asshole will line up in 2016 and vote for Chris Christie, Billary, or whovever they trot out and it will make no difference what so ever.

First priority should be the wholesale elimination of Soc Sec. and Medicare. You want a taper that will matter. Start there. Taper that ponzi scheme until it is over. That means NO NEW ENROLEES and everyone else gets bought out (I'll take mine in silver bars please, gold would be okay as well) or otherwise paid to term.

 

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment 10mm
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2017? Im just trying to get a half gallon of milk across the street.Fuck 2017.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment smacker
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Do not fret folks ...it only shows $22.9 trillion in 2017.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:31 | Link to Comment newengland
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Assuming 5% interest rates. That's an optimistic assumption, if current policy continues. This time is not different.

The fall of failed empires comes with ruined currency, high debt, public bankruptcy ... thanks to the same old rootless cosmopolitan international financiers, and their new fangled thing zionism, founded in the late 18th century by the old hofjuden of the vatican, monarchies, the feudalists who like monopoly, not Republics, nor patriots.

It is overdue for American jews to stand with the Republic their ancestors co-founded, and reject this nazionism...or go off to the showers once more, led by the nazionists who funded Hitler, and Lenin.

George Washington thanked the rabbis of Rhode Island for their support in founding the USA. It is a very great pity that American jews are misled by zionism.

Hubris precedes the ruin of money, and nation.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:58 | Link to Comment steelrules
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This is the end, The Doors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!