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Dick Cheney's Suggestion Snowden A Chinese Spy Is "Sheer Nonsense" Says China
Over the weekend, Dick Cheney emerged from his lair, and staunchly defended the NSA surveillance programs that started under his tenure as Vice President, telling Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday that the programs could have stopped 9/11 had they been in effect. More to the point, Cheney shared his view of Edward Snowden, whom he accused of being a traitor and went so far as hinting that he could be a spy for China. "I'm suspicious because he went to China. That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth," Cheney said, adding: "It raises questions whether or not he had that kind of connection before he did this." The last statement finally generated an official response from China whose Foreign Ministry on Monday, which had been silent for the past week over all issues surrounding the whistleblower, denying Edward Snowden was a Chinese spy and said the United States should give the world an explanation regarding its international internet surveillance programme.
In its first official response to the recent exposure of the US National Security Agency’s internet surveillance programme by whistleblower Edward Snowden, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said the US should pay attention to concerns of the international community on the issue.
Hua, in her daily briefing in Beijing, also hit back at the allegation that Snowden could be a spy for China, calling it “sheer nonsense”.
Beijing has been tight lipped about the saga since Snowden revealed his identity to the media last week, only saying they have no information regarding the case.
But Hua said on Sunday that she is aware of media reports that saying Hong Kong citizens wanted Snowden to stay in the city, and that she is aware of the response of the Hong Kong government to the matter.
Half of Hong Kong people believe that cyberspying whistle-blower Edward Snowden should not be handed over if Washington makes a formal request for his return, according to an exclusive opinion poll commissioned by the Sunday Morning Post.
Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying said on Saturday that "when the relevant mechanism is activated", the Hong Kong government would handle Snowden's case in accordance with the city's laws. He also said the government would follow up on any incidents related to the privacy or other rights of the institutions or people in Hong Kong being violated.
Of course, with Hong Kong's ultimate decisionmaking still made in Beijing, whatever China wants vis-a-vis Snowden, China gets. And just like Syria, the fate of the 29 year-old will almost certainly become yet another diplomatic fallout issue between the US and China.
And just for the nostalgic ones, here's Dick:
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"I'm suspicious because he went to the USA. That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth," Cheney said,
Fixed it for 'ya Dick.
Regards.
Dick's daughter is a lesbian. Can't wait for the next MSM "journalist" to ask him about that. I think Chris Wallace tried a few years ago and Dick gave him the "death stare".
Cheney had his first heart attack at around age 37-38 and has had four others since. How is this evil fuck still alive??? He's got more lives than Keith Richards!
We the people paid for a new fucking heart about a year and a half ago. He made out nicely with the free health care we provide our War criminals.
If the rest of the world gets some balls and kidnaps this fuckin criminal to be tried for War crimes. Before the execution will you CUT out his heart that "we the people" paid for so we can display it in the Smithsonian?
Or send it to the Syrian rebels so we can watch them EAT it?
Its like Bill Hicks said, all the great ones get murdered, and all the evil ones are left to live:
"And they always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok? Jesus - murdered; Martin Luther King - murdered; Malcolm X - murdered; Gandhi - murdered; John Lennon - murdered; Reagan... wounded"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSYTat-ha4
Run, dick, run.
See dick run.
Prepare to meet your maker, dick.
Snowden is a Chinese spy? More like Cheney is a Zionist spy.
"I'm suspicious because he went to China. That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth"
Generally speaking, this is a very true statement...unless of course what you are seeking freedom and liberty from is the full force of us.gov coming after your ass for exposing its underbelly.
One minute, they say he's a lying high-school dropout; the next, he's a spy. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
and he didn't have access to jack, but is causing grave damage! LOL!
That's one the better ones...
Got a strange message on my phone from AT&T on Saturday. Message stated that carrier updates had been pushed to my phone. Someone has hacked my phone or AT&T was given orders by the NSA to monitor all ID's of Zero Hedge.
do you take the battery out of your phone when you need a confidencial talk ?
Even if you do i have to tell you - the capacitors in the phone can keep it alive for several hours recording the conversation locally and transmitting it up later on
Called AT&T tech support and was told it was an Apple update. I was skeptical because the format did not match Apple's typical iOS updates. I searched Apple's forums and found this link from someone who had the same issue as me this past Saturday.
http://blogs.att.net/consumerblog/story/a7790136#sthash.J4Q8BAhZ.dpuf
Turns out my phone is to old to support the new Government Alerts. Funny how the article mentions you can turn all these alerts off except for "Presidential Alerts". What's a Presidential Alert? Barry declaring Martial Law? Barry telling the Blue sheeple to snitch on the Red sheeple?
Voting is for suckers.
DICK Cheney the face of evil! My God, it offends me to even know that this demon is still alive. Ughhhh!
The Republican Party is now dead, thanks to their handling of the spying on Americans. Game is over for me, I will now back any Libertarian who is running, don’t care how much I hate the democrat.
Never have been a fan of Cheney but yeah, fucking the NSA and then taking off directly to China, well shit, isn't' that what every guardian of truth and justice does?
As usual, the truth lies somewhere in the middle of exactly where you aren't looking.
Cheney's theory is not ridiculous. Unfortunately for the theory, Cheney is.
The scary thing is. If he is a spy for China. No one believes or trust the Government. So they are the Uncle who cried terrorist , one time too many.
Cheney says that Snowden doesn't have a heart; considering being a man without one, he would be an expert on the subject.
I cannot wait until all of these old political dinosaur motherfuckers die.
i am reminded by sherman skolnicks work
http://skolnicksreport.com/chinese.html
enough said... we know where the real spies sit...
Double post: The Japanese news here just had a G8 segment saying that Obama had called Abe from Air Farce 1 to say that he was taking a more friendly and open tone towards China. Abe's freaking out.
Purely coincidental timing, I know.
I was disappointed that Cheney didn't resign from the Nixon administration rather than manage the enforcement of price controls during the 1970s. I didn't know that was on his resume.
Big Dick Cheney proving he can be an even Bigger Dick.
They call him "Dick" for a reason. His first name is Harvey.
Cheney is still pissed he did not get that Nobel Peace Prize despite all his efforts.
Dickless Cheney, you mean the same guy that said "deficits don;t matter", "Iraq will welcome us with open arms" Dick Cheney???
I am not suprised that Faux News ran him this last Sunday, but to see CBS and the others re run that pityful bullshit of his is outragous.
I just hope I live long enough to piss on his grave. I will make a special trip to where ever they bury him just to piss on his grave.
I will instruct my grandson to dig him up, take his skull and apply for membership in the Skull and Bones bunch with the promise to donate it like W Bush's granddad did to Germino.
It is not a little queer that the MSM has not touched the Skull and Bones and Gerimino skull thing??
Oh by the way, Fuck you Cheney, fuck the horse you rode in on and fuck the dog that followed your horse in! You traitorous chicken hawk! I did my time in SE Asia, where were you at??
"That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth,"
Except he is in HONG KONG, a former British colony with a separate legal code and a strong societal bias in favour of freedom, liberty and so forth. Everyone in the USA is an idiot - Cheney, Obama - morons top to bottom, left to right, D to R.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say Dick Cheney is a Chinese spy. Someone should investigate that. Maybe we should have access to ALL of the Vice President's communications before, during and after his tenure in the Bush Administration. Especially communications with the Saudi government. Come on, Richard. No one could willfully fuck up that much.
Considering his a;llegiances to Big Oil, and his secret love for Communism....I'd be more inclided to say Cheney is a Russian spy. More lucrative, IMO.
cant this evil dickhead just go away and count his money ?
"Dick Cheney's Suggestion Snowden A Chinese Spy Is "Sheer Nonsense" Says China"
Let me correct the format a bit.
Dick Cheney Is "Sheer Nonsense" Says Me
REALLY ZEROHEDGE - REALLY! ...... "LICK MY" DICK CHENEY!!!!
I CAN SAY ONE THING.....WHEN HE TALKS - GIGGLES TURNS TO GUT BUSTING LAUGHTER.......
total spent thus far on the wars, with the majority coming from Iraq, is 4 trillion, a cost that is projected to grow to over 6 trillion
http://costsofwar.org/article/economic-cost-summary
and this pos, probably the most evil man since hitler, is going to talk about 9/11 when he let it happen so we could go to war in iraq/afghan so his company haliburton can get hundeds of billions in no bid contracts. not to mention the massive hole he blew into the budget whose effects we'll be feeling for years. unreal
Hahahha, I bet he has dirt on you, VP Dick.
Long Rope, Long Live America.
If Snowden is a Chinese spy, wouldn't that make the NSA and members of Congress part of the PLA? (People's Liberation Army of China - eg. their government).
The US constitution which is supposed to be the Law of the Land and written by very wise men is no longer a relevant document in the USA because we have minds like John McCain, Lindsey Gram, Barack Obama, John Bonier, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Dick Cheney who have decided they know best what is good for America and the Constitution does not apply to them or their iollegal action. Yes, this group knows all and has cloaked their loath of the US Constitution under the phony Guise of the War on Terror. What a goddamn disgrace and the American people do nothing. Keep the information flowing Mr. Snowden, we trust nothing they say or do.
First he is a traitor, then a liar, now he is a Chinese spy and all because he exposed the truth to the American people. What I find most interesting is that they call him a liar and want to prosecute him under the espionage act ? LOL!
A veritable cul-de-sac of logic and reasoning, isn't it?
The very people violently raping the 4th amendment and spying on their own citizens claim that someone exposing their tyranny - is a spy?
Dick Cheney discredits an otherwise creditable theory.
If the US would sign the Hague treaty making Americans liable for trial as war criminals by the World Criminal Court all this shit would get resolved.
Keep dreaming the criminality is either going to be resolved via a major war where the US loses or internally. They are deadly afraid of the internal option...... PRISM and how it is being used is pretty clear and conclusive proof of that.
I think we can count Ozzy Osbourne as a tinfoil hat wearing paranoia dickweed Libertarian type who sees America being turned into Amerika. He nails it here as far as what is going on. Some new Black Sabbath from the album 13. Check the lyrics out for the song Age of Reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqXqe15HL8g
Do you hear the thunder, raging in the sky?
Premonition of a shattered world that's gonna die
In the age of reason, how do we survive?
The protocols of evil ravage through so many lives
So many lives
So many lives
Mystifying silence, talking peace on Earth
We should just join them for ourselves, not what we're worth
Sustainable extinction, a fractured human race
A changing revolution disappears without a trace
Without a trace
Without a trace
Alright yeah!
Always felt that there'd be trouble
Mass distraction hides the truth
Prozac days and sleepless hours
Seas of change that don't bear through
Oh yeah!
These times are heavy
And you're all alone
The battle's over, but the war goes on
Politics, religion, love of money too
It's what the world was built for
But not for me and you, oh yeah!
I think the NSA and British equivalent need to label him as a terrorist and start spying on him now if they haven't already done so.
War Pigs still says it all for me
and describes Dick C to a T
And Cheney is a fuc ing war criminal with outstanding arrest warrants in countries around the world. Akin to Obamas new arrest warrants in S. Africa = cancelled trip.
This isn't a pot meet kettle moment. This is an exercise in neo futalism where Snowden must be condemed for exposing the truth.
Give that man a metal! Look, China spies, we spy... whatever.. this time is different becauee we got caught red handed.
Snowden exposed Treason that lead to foreign and Domestic enemies.
Cheney, war profiteer, practiced Treason turned Domestic enemy.
Very clear who the deceivers are.
Secrecy has always been used by governments as well as individuals. This is less an aurgument about secrecy or even methodology than it is about trust. Do we trust our own leaders more than our potential enemies? While I have no answers and I know I'm uncomfortable with the choices, the one thing I keep thinking about is the trust issue. If I were out to defeat my opponent, the first thing I would try to do is destroy the trust in their leadership. Regardless of who is responsible for what is happening, it has direction and building momentum
never let a good "shitstorm" go to waste.
repackage it and hurl it at your enemies - you know the enemies that you've outsourced half the country to.
for many of these old farts, the spin is getting worse.
I will begin to have some real respect for Dick Cheney when he can succeed in shooting himself in the same place he shot a friend of his while on a hunting trip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident
Snowden may or may not be an upstanding human being and a true blue patriot, but in Cheney's case there is no doubt that the man is a miserable excuse for a human being. He may be successful. He may be cunning. He may be well connected but he ain't a man I would bring into my home. He is not the type of man that America should be calling a son.
The world is a circus, sit back with some popcorn, and watch the clowns put on a show.
700 pages of war crimes... Channey or Snowden? Chinese spy? Um 15 times the DEFENSE (OFFENSE) budget of China? Ironic that Hong Kong was picked.. Great Wall. opium wars. seems to push CIA Mao experiment back... Hey Dick Columbus was willing to risk sailing of a flat earth to avoid the Middle East.... I guess the shadow government didn't like the idea of non intervention and trade... Now PetroChina is bigger than Exxon..... Iran oil goes to PetroChina? You guys cannot even fuel your army without going into debt to China... Dick you better be concerned with detainee treatment...
http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/684407/constitution-project-report...
Dear Mr Cheney,
There's a nice comfortable cage reserved for you in a sunny beach resort in Cuba.
Dick Chaney . . . what a loser! He let a lot of people do the dying for him when he and "hide behind the log" Bush, hid out and avoided the draft during the Vietnam War. The real traitor here is Chaney, when he and Bush sacrificed American lives to fullfill a vendeta against Iraq because Old Man Bush had a death warrant on his head.
It is amusing to actually believe anything this joker in the deck has to espouse is credible. He and the others who started that Iraq war should be stood against the Wall for the people they killed to carry out a personal vendetta. John
"I'm suspicious because he went to China. That's not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth,"
I suppose it all depends on where you came from.
So where would you go? Fucking United States? HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
China looks a better bet for "freedom, liberty and so forth" than the US at this point. US HYPOCRISY has been EXPOSED and its claim to fame as the beacon of "freedom and democracy" is completely destroyed.
Ironically, the fact that Edward Snowden is an American is one face saver for the US in this whole embroglio. And where did he choose to go? China!!! Hahaha!
Lots of left-wing idiots emigrated to the Soviet Union from the US in the 1930s, so I guess that means Stalin was better for freedom than America was?
DICK used to worry about his heart problems, but he knew he was saved back when scientists successfully cloned a rat's heart.
Dick Cheney before he dicks you.
It's not impossible that Snowden was "turned" by China, but not likely. If he were a Chinese agent, his escape would not be anywhere near this public or melodramatic.
ZH missed the important thing that Cheney pointed out, that surveillance of telecommunications metadata (times and days of calls, phone numbers called, etc.) is perfectly legal under US law and has been for almost a century. The Supreme Court has ruled again and again that telecommunications don't have the same level of protection under the Fourth Amendment that private spaces and effects do. Such information is quasi-public and always has been. If anyone has been under any illusion otherwise, welcome to the real world. Now take those pictures of you drunk, half-naked, on the beach off your Facebook account :)
What is not legal is listening on the content ("data" as opposed to "metadata") of the communications without a criminal investigation and a warrant. This is what is still not clear in the NSA case. It is clear in the case of the (In)Justice Department (Eric Holder) spying on reporters -- that was probably illegal. Holder should be impeached or forced to resign. The IRS harassment of conservative political groups in 2011 and 2012 was illegal. The latter probably had its origin in the (In)Justice Department, not the Treasury Department.
(Metadata is data about data. The analogy between metadata and data is easy to understand with a letter. The address, return address, the data and time you mailed the letter, the fact that you mailed it, the postage you paid, when and where it was delivered -- that "metadata" is public information and can be used by the authorities to gather evidence without a warrant. What is not legal is opening the letter -- the data -- and reading it without a warrant.)
There's been powerful illusion that the Internet is "country-less" and not subject to any host country laws. But it is and always has been. Apple, Google, Facebook, et al., are all US companies and thus subject to US laws. Again, if anyone's been under illusions to the contrary, welcome to reality. It's not reasonable to expect anything else. It *is* reasonable to expect the US government to gather intelligence and monitor potential threats in accordance with US law and court decisions. If someone not in the US doesn't like it, they should look for a non-US company to do business with, but then face the legal system of some other host country.
Obama does have to contend with a powerful set of illusions he created among his most devoted followers in 2008, that he was The One who would make oceans recede, dispel the supposed lie of conflict with the Islamic world that supposedly hatched in the mind of Cheney or Bush or whomever, and make reality and the law conform to the fantasies of Obama's ultraliberal and ultrawealthy Boomer donors. Now, sadly for them and The One, the charade has fallen apart. The conflict is real, the threats are real, Guantanamo or some equivalent is not closing, and so on. And, oops, the Middle East, in spite of the US media's best attempts at news blackout, is in flames and heading toward some frightening denoument. Obama is in way over his head here, but the media has done an exceptional job of proecting him from serious scrutiny. That's one thing that makes the Obama era different from, say, the Carter era: there's a lot less real reporting and journalism going on.
(BTW, if someone at ZH wants to look at something really disturbing, it's the quid pro quo sharing of classified intelligence with contractors and other IT companies, in exchange for cooperation with surveillance programs. It's not likely to be legal. Furthermore, this is yet another example of the explosion of cronyism in the US political system in the last generation or so -- it's not just contractors or consultants. It's former public officials cashing in on their public life once they re-enter the private sector.)
When is that paedophile gonna die?
Richard Bruce Cheney is an unindicted war criminal. He, like Henry Kissinger, can no longer travel to Europe or else he will be arrested when his plane arrives and taken into custody to stand trial at The Hague.
From the interview Snowden is giving right now:
"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are."
Dick Cheney is an agent for the "dark side"........that sense that whatever they think is right, no matter how legally or morally reprehensible to the rest of us, is theirs to do if they have the power to do it. While power corrupts in this case Cheney managed to corrupt power. In hindsite, where all of histories most accurate judgements are made (the reality of the Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, Watergate, etc. etc, were all revealed too late for citizens blinded by secrecy to act on the facts) will find that Cheney was a stain on our national honor as well as humankind in general.
In simplest terms he is a bad person.
Speaking of Chinese connections, see the Wikipedia page for F. Dennis Saylor IV, the FISA court judge from Boston:
Someone interested in turning a flashlight on cockroaches could do worse than to turn their attention to digging up the FISA judges' pasts. As someone wise once said, all judges are failed lawyers.
Dick Cheney is a reptilian Zionist spy and a terrorist to boot.
Remind me how many people have been put under house arrest for political statements or had their fingernails ripped out to get them to confess to crimes against the state by order of Dick Cheney.
Just curious because the PRC has done both those things and many others, yet they get a nice respectful treatment from Mr. Durden, while Cheney (admittedly a damned bastard) gets villified. And Cheney has a point whether you like it or not.