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For First Time Majority Finds President Untrustworthy: Obama Approval Plunges Among Young Americans

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Whatever the deteriorating economy could not achieve (courtesy of Ben Bernanke's relentless bubble blowing and pumping of the S&P 500-driven "wealth effect" distraction) for the past four years, one NSA whistleblower succeeded in a few short days, when earlier today, CNN - hardly a media known for its criticism of the administration - released a new poll according to which not only did Obama's approval rating drop by 8% in the past month, "one of the sharpest, fastest plunges in his presidency" to 45% from 53% (the first time the majority had a negative opinion of the president), not only did the majority find Obama to not be honest and trustworthy for the first time ever in his presidency, but Obama's support with one of his core constituencies - young Americans under 30 - imploded, plunging by 17 points. CNN adds: "That's particularly discouraging heading into 2014 because Democrats have felt they have a lock on the youth vote after the 2012 elections. "The drop in Obama's support is fueled by a dramatic 17-point decline over the past month among people under 30, who, along with black Americans, had been the most loyal part of the Obama coalition," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said."

Ted Turner's news network adds the following:

The president also dropped 10 points among independent voters, from 47 percent last month to 37 percent. Obama's disapproval among independents jumped 12 points to 61 percent. Again, more bad news for Democrats because those independents are especially important in mid-term elections in which older, more conservative Americans predominate.


The network pointed to several major scandals as evidence for the drop.


"The White House has been under siege over telephone and Internet surveillance, the Internal Revenue Service's targeting of conservative groups, its handling of the terror attack on the U.S. consular post in Benghazi, Libya, and the Justice Department's collecting journalists' phone records as part of the government's investigation into leaks of classified information," CNN reported.


"It is clear that revelations about NSA surveillance programs have damaged Obama's standing with the public, although older controversies like the IRS matter may have begun to take their toll as well," Holland told the network.

The rest of the findings of CNN's poll:

  • A slight majority disapproves of the actions of the man who leaked the NSA documents. A majority of respondents also believe Edward Snowden, who fled to Hong Kong, should be brought back to the United States and prosecuted.
  • Six in 10 disapprove of how Obama is handling government surveillance of U.S. citizens. That's higher than the 52 percent who disapproved of George W. Bush on the same issue in 2006, when government surveillance was also in the headlines.
  • Obama's approval rating on terrorism, although still above 50 percent, has taken a 13-point hit since mid-May.
  • The president's approval rating on domestic issues like the economy, immigration and the deficit dropped by 2 to 4 points, within the poll's sampling error.

So how is Obama responding to the criticism? He is doubling down. From Politico:

President Obama defended a pair of controversial National Security Agency surveillance programs on Monday, arguing it’s a "false choice" to suggest people "have to sacrifice our freedom in order to achieve security."


With polls suggesting the controversy over the NSA programs are cutting into the president's approval rating, Obama stood by the surveillance as a tradeoff that citizens must make to remain safe.


"To say there’s a tradeoff doesn’t mean somehow that we’ve abandoned freedom," Obama told Charlie Rose, according to a transcript of the interview obtained by BuzzFeed.


The president went on to defend the NSA spying as "transparent," while defensively acknowledging that many on the left and right had compared his anti-terror policies to those of his predecessor, former President George W. Bush.


"The whole point of my concern, before I was president — because some people say, ‘Well, you know, Obama was this raving liberal before. Now he’s, you know, Dick Cheney.’ Dick Cheney sometimes says, 'Yeah, you know? He took it all lock, stock, and barrel,' ” Obama said.

Sounds about right. As for this upcoming Charlie Rose interview:

Obama leaned heavily during the interview on explanations that had already been given by the administration to justify the programs. He noted the NSA's role in disrupting a planned attack on the New York City subway system.


"The one thing people should understand about all these programs though is they have disrupted plots, not just here in the United States, but overseas as well," Obama said.


The president declined to comment on Edward Snowden, the former defense contractor who admitted to leaking details of the NSA surveillance programs.

Or just the usual, trite(sic) and true(sic) talking points.


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Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:51 | 3666015 I am more equal...
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Fuck him


Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:54 | 3666025 localsavage
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He just had the NSA forward your info to the IRS

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:14 | 3666087 Ahmeexnal
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impeach Obullshit!

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:34 | 3666139 Troll Magnet
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or pretty fucking close.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:39 | 3666155 NoDebt
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Until the next one.

Puff puff.... 'ere.... take this.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:30 | 3666296 The Thunder Child
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Tyler spare us the rigged CNN/PEW poles and the shitty Rothschild Reuters articles please...


Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:33 | 3666313 economics9698
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95 IQ Harvard educated dip shit.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:08 | 3666410 Manthong
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A goldfish has complete freedom to swim around his bowl, he can depend on his owner to sprinkle fish food in at times and to not flush him down the toilet.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:58 | 3666676 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A goldfish has complete freedom to swim around his bowl

'cause we're the fishes, and all we do,
are move around, it's all we do.
Well oh, baby, my hair's on end
about you.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:45 | 3666975 eatthebanksters
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It's amazing how fucking stupid and gullible US citizens brains, no critical thought, no due diligence.  The theory is that because Obama is our first black president he must be different and better.  WTF??? Why?  If you are stupid enough to just listen to his words and buy into his bullshit, then you love the guy.  But if you look at his record and are honest, this guy is the worst president in memory. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:30 | 3667352 kralizec
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Yeah, and I'm supposed to feel better since some dipshit poll says 45% of the youth of America still have their heads up their butts?!

" of the enslaved, home of the cowardly."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:32 | 3669014 EINSILVERGUY

If I had a nickel for every rant about how stupid americans worth as if this is something that isn't obvious or expected. We have a nation of 300 million.  The Average IQ in the US is 100.  African Americans average 85 and the average college graduate 115.  Asians score highest  with Whites and Latinos scoring relatively close to one another. Half the population doesn't have the intelligence to attend college level classes

Over 140 - Genius or near genius

  • 120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence

  • 110 - 119 - Superior intelligence

  • 90 - 109 - Normal or average intelligence

  • 80 - 89 - Dullness

  • 70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency

  • Under 70 - Definite feeble-mindedness


    The properties of the normal distribution apply to IQ scores:

    • 50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110

    • 70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115

    • 95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130

    • 99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

    Life really is idiocracy and we have no natural selection  so is it surprisiing that a majority of poor, ignorant and IQ challenged people can't think critically and elect the narcissists to public office. It isn't smart people that decide elections. Its the stupid


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:29 | 3666298 Chupacabra-322
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    He's not untrustworthy.

    He's a fucking CRIMINAL!!!

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:07 | 3666559 WarriorClass
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    When democracy turns to tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote.

    Time the Americans started voting.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:28 | 3666467 HardAssets
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    It seems that the 'legacy' they try to achieve is to be Worst President Ever

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:24 | 3666597 Andre
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    Nonsense. He's Great Presidential material.

    I'm sure he would make the best president Kenya ever had!


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:42 | 3666170 Au_Ag_CuPbCu
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    Like I said before, Jimmy Carter owes Obama much gratitude...just sayin

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:17 | 3666726 TheFourthStooge-ing
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    You will find this statement true whoever the current president is, until the shambling US empire shambles no more.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:32 | 3667467 de3de8
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    Your right, WORST.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:07 | 3666702 TheFourthStooge-ing
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    impeach Obullshit!

    It wouldn't even matter. Whether it's the grumpy old geezer, the dead terrorist, or the jalapeno on a stick, the ventriloquist making them talk is the same guy. There's a stadium sized toybox full of Obama equivalent replacement puppets.

    Vichy DC is cursed earth and can only be cleansed by fire, starting from the perimeter and burning inward.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:15 | 3666089 max2205
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    2nd term blues...and he don't /never cared what we think

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:25 | 3666115 kliguy38
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    I voted for him the first time before it became clear to me that if you vote for EITHER side of this slime equation you are voting for you own extermination.......NEVER AGAIN will I vote for this fraud

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:36 | 3666144 Troll Magnet
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    No matter whom you vote for, DIEBOLD is there to make sure it won't count.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:58 | 3666209 NoDebt
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    Come on out to Philly sometime during an election!  There were entire precincts in Philly where they threw out the election observers (the Republican ones) for HOURS until they finally secured an emergency injunction to put them back in.  The damage was done, however.  Almost a dozen precincts reported 100% Obama vote in 2012.  Yes, 100%.  Not a single vote for a Republican, Independent or anyone else.  

    Lot of conservatives in PA don't bother to vote because while the burbs and the rural counties are overwhelmingly conservative, it doesn't matter if Philly (and to a lesser extent P-burg) go 100% for the Democrats/libs/statists.  Philly is a one party town and the epicenter of the entitlement culture.

    You know where the highest levels of (bogus) medical malpractice cases happens?  No, it ain't somewhere in California.  Right here in good 'ol Philadelphia.  City where they had to put video cameras in all the SEPTA busses because there were hundreds of people suing for pain-n-suffering who were never even on the bus!  Want to know about "traffic court" in Philly?  Yes, they have a special court system for traffic/parking violations, and you can have your tickets dismissed if you're a Democrat and take the ticket to your Ward Leader.  Out of state or not a Democrat?  Tough titties.  One more?  OK.  They used to have a special court JUST FOR ROWDIES AT THE SPORTS STADIUM DOWNTOWN (before it was ruled unconstitutional to have a special court just for that purpose). 

    And you're worried about Diebold?  Don't get all hung up on technology.  If voters were required to sign in their own DNA-verified blood Philly would find a way not to count votes they didn't want counted.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:18 | 3666273 markettime
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    Oh wow..some of them finally figured it out huh....we would be on the same path with John McCain if he was elected as well. It doesn't matter, the deck will always be stacked against the people. 

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:45 | 3666507 ronaldawg
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    Can you believe that John McCain wants to get us involved in another war in Syria? When is this fucking going to stop?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:16 | 3666725 NemoDeNovo
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    Or atleast until "We the People" _____________ <--- Fill in the blank yourself [btw Fuck YOU NSA Bitchez]



    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:55 | 3667000 Freddie
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    Obama is being bailed out by the Evil Gang of 8 including scum McCain, Graham and Che Rubio.   Evil f**x.  Edward Snowden supposedly mentioned Obama's Gang of 8 today. 

    I really hope young people and all Americans plus others around the world realize how evil The One and his Gang of 8 maggots are and how Snowden is a hero.   The f***king geeks better get it.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:56 | 3666537 DirkDiggler11
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    - 1 for ever believing that lying P.O.S. and for being a dumb @ss and voting for him.

    + 1 for admitting that you voted for him and seeing the error in your ways. Way to man-up and admit your mistakes, most people won't do that.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:57 | 3669376 Frankie Carbone
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    I have a code, an ethic if you will, that I live by and it goes like this:


    Once my political enemy sees the error of his ways, recants, repents, and joins the cause, than all past ill will is washed away, all previous errors in judgement are forgotten, never to be mentioned again nor used as a weapon against him in future disagreements, so that he may confortably become an ally to the cause, a friend, and fellow guardian for liberty.

    You HAVE to adopt this, and live by it, if you are truly fighting for principled causes and beliefs as opposed to bloating your own ego. Your oppponents need to know that you aren't going to hammer them relentlessly for their past sins, nor render them irrelevant because they erred in the past.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:15 | 3666093 Gringo Viejo
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    Young Americans? If memeory serves, they were a folk group that sang for Nixon in 1968.......lmfao.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:15 | 3666094 Scro
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    And the horse he rode in on.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:20 | 3666278 CaptainObvious
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    Let's just go whole hog and do this properly, eh?

    Fuck Obama.  Fuck the creatures that spawned him.  Fuck his ugly cunt of a wife and his privileged little brats.  Fuck his illegal criminal relatives. Fuck everyone who ever threw this prick a vote.  Fuck the machine that inserted this puppet onto the throne of what used to be a free nation.  Fuck the tycoons behind the scenes who decided to run this fucker for office.  Fuck the people who wrote Obamacare, fuck Obama for campaiging for it, and fuck every congresscritter who made this travesty of a buttfuck for the whole country, law.  Fuck his imbecilic partner in crime, that Biden thing.

    Oh, and just so people don't think I'm partisan, fuck George W. Bush too.  For that matter fuck both parties.  Fuck the Senate and fuck the House.  Fuck most sitting governors, especially Cuomo the Nanny, Christie the fat fuck, and Moonbeam the Clown.

    And, yes, fuck the horses they rode in on. Fuck the farmers that bred those horses for good measure.

    Obama's approval rating from me wouldn't register on any poll, because pollsters can't factor in negative integer approval ratings.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:25 | 3666289 Omen IV
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    FUCKIN  A !!!

    he is a scumbag motherfucker in a strict NY sense - which means... he cant be redeemed

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:46 | 3666350 Promethus
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    No one can say you don't give a fuck.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:00 | 3666383 Meat Hammer
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    Great job!  The only thing you missed was fuck John Roberts and the bought-and-paid-for Supreme Court.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:07 | 3667024 Freddie
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    Oh you mean the NSA'ed Supreme Court.   The other thing about Edward Snowden is a lot more shit started to make a lot more sense.   Like Snowden mentioning Obama's Gang of 8 evil scum aka Schumer, Durbin, Menedez, Bennett, McCain, Graham, Rubio and Flake.  Hopefully Snowden will tell us of their connection to The Muslim Brotherhood.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:37 | 3667476 de3de8
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    And the press.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:26 | 3666465 jimmytorpedo
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    Hey! I breed horses.

    Fuck me.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:33 | 3666478 nmewn
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    Free speech is a beautiful thing.

    And fuck Clapper & Hayden (worthless, treasonous bastards that they are) for recording every key stroke I make.

    What am I thinking now douche nozzles?

    (Its peppermint, idiots) ;-)

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 17:01 | 3669387 Frankie Carbone
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    That Biden Thing....


    ROFLMAO! I've tried sprays, powders, even fumigants and I still can't seem to rid myself of That Biden Thing.



    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:46 | 3666182 Crash Overide
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    What I don't understand is how the whole administration is still operating? The list of criminal charges is a fucking page long by now. There are also members of Congress, Senate, DOJ, TSA, FBI, NSA, DHS, CIA, FDA, FHA, IRS, FED, etc... etc... etc...  that should be removed and arrested.


    ...and why don't we have a DOP?  *department of peace* WTF?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:56 | 3666207 Crash Overide
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    The IRS is a company out of Puerto Rico that shakes down Americans for free speech, I mean are you fucking kidding me?

    The FED a privite company that creates money out of thin air and charges Americans for the curidosity, are you fucing kidding me?

    The NSA is...? I don't know, a nazi wet dream? I mean are you fucking kidding me?

    DOJ Eric Holder the top law man protects criminals, runs guns, and goes after the little guy for some bullshit are you fucking kidding me?

    DHS is a rouge agency militarizing our police and prepping for war in the streets of America are you fucking kidding me...?


    I could go on and on but 95% of you here already know all this, I guess I am just sick of the blatant criminal mob that has taken over under the guise of representation of the citizenry. It can not be fixed, it needs to be shutdown.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:38 | 3666485 HardAssets
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    Bob Chapman, formerly in US Army Counter-intelligence and owner of his own Wall Street firm, passed away about a year ago. He said that Wall Street and the federal government were made up of a bunch of psycho-path/ socio-path criminals. I thought he was exaggeratiing to make a point.

    He wasn't exaggerating . . . and he was right.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:36 | 3666625 James T. Kirk
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    Bob was a great guy. I could always count on being entertained by some economic or political malignancy that Bob was colorfully explaining or exposing to the light of day. Too bad most people felt like he was a whack job. Their loss.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:21 | 3667047 HardAssets
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    Bob saw a lot of things during his life. Was a golf caddy for Joe Kennedy. Spied on and was spied upon by the Russians in post war Europe while in the Army. (Where he learned things weren't quite as he'd been taught all his life. He turned down recruitment efforts by the CIA. )  Knew Ronald Reagan ("Ronnie was a nice enough guy, but he didn't have a clue.") etc, etc.  He'd seen too much to easily fall for b.s. -- I find it amusing to listen to King World News, (who wouldn't interview him), recently and have them speculate about the push by the oligarchs for a global government. Quite a few more people are starting to catch up with Bob Chapman. But then again, he'd been at it for about 50 years.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:58 | 3666678 Kirk2NCC1701
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    So he knew Simon?

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 17:09 | 3669413 Frankie Carbone
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    The quick and short answer is that it's not profitable.

    A Department of Peace implies replacing the Military-Security Industrial Complex with a Serenity Individual Complex and no one would pay more than 50 bucks for a Cluster Bong.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:22 | 3666453 chubbar
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    The FISA court ruled this program unconstitutional back in 2011 but the DOJ's Eric "dick" holder buried the ruling from FOIA inquiries. One of ZH posters put up the link the other day but I can't find it. Hopefully he'll repost it. Maybe Charile Rose could ask about that little fact?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:16 | 3666577 Dr. Engali
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    Hah! Charlie Rose ask a serious question. That's funny.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:53 | 3666018 Motorboat
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    And yet the dumbed down goyim voted for him twice.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:01 | 3666048 Meat Hammer
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    Meh...ask the same kids about Jekyll Island and they'll say, "I was like so trashed there on Spring Break!"

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:10 | 3666069 Joe Sixpack
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    Everyone has got to start somewhere.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:43 | 3666175 More_sellers_th...
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    Goyom? Pretty sure the chosen people voted en masse

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:02 | 3666228 caconhma
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    They don't have to vote. They own the place.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:53 | 3666019 Dixie Rect
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    Wake up and smell the corruption, gypsy dildo dipshit zombie punk sheep.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:39 | 3666154 lolmao500
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    Corruption?? Doesn't exist! Oh wait!

    Officials found guilty in Obama, Clinton ballot petition fraud

    A jury in South Bend, Indiana has found that fraud put President Obama and Hillary Clinton on the presidential primary ballot in Indiana in the 2008 election. Two Democratic political operatives were convicted Thursday night in the illegal scheme after only three hours of deliberations. They were found guilty on all counts.

    Even a former Democratic Governor of Indiana, Joe Kernan, told Fox News that his name was forged.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:53 | 3666020 Lmo Mutton
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    Fuck him and all of them

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:54 | 3666022 Bay of Pigs
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    So we swing back to Team Red?


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:44 | 3666130 Shell Game
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    Let's check in with Team Red now...

    Dang, that's too bad.  Well, how about we look in on Karl Rove's "Victory" PAC, surely there is some hopey-changey there....


    Live by false foundations and a policy of destruction, die by false foundations and destruction........

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:54 | 3666023 Racer
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    Well if an every increasing number of young people are finding out what reality and not hopium means I am not surprised. You can't live on hope alone

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:01 | 3666047 Citxmech
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    How the mighty do fall. . .

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:54 | 3666026 dcohen
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    Obama is easily the worst president of the republic, and his second term just started.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:56 | 3666034 Beam Me Up Scotty
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    I could have told those snot nosed kids that a long time ago.  But like always, they never listen.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:10 | 3666068 Raymond K Hessel
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    Isn't this really Bush's fourth term?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:13 | 3666083 Meat Hammer
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    No, it's Bush 41's seventh.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:24 | 3666114 tip e. canoe
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    ninth, you forgot Reagan's 2 terms.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:38 | 3666151 Troll Magnet
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    Clinton's the one who handed the country over to his Zionist banksters.  But I get it.  The whole system is corrupt.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:04 | 3666396 tip e. canoe
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    Lil' Slick Willie was fourth & fifth respectively

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:47 | 3666652 Go Tribe
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    Charles Hamlin's 99th term.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:59 | 3666040 The Shootist
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    God, please not 4 moar years of these marxist knee grows.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:57 | 3666212 Crash Overide
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    It hasn't been a republic for a long time... :(

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:55 | 3666027 cherry picker
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    You can't blame the people.  You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time.  We are tired of being taken for fools and Obama had it so easy till now, he is going to learn the hard way.  There are consequences to bullshit sooner or later and Obama is a master bull shitter.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:02 | 3666052 Dr. Engali
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    I fully blame the idiotic sheeple. Anybody who even did a little bit of homework knew who this guy was. The sheep just ignored the facts and bought into the hype. Fuck them now they own this worthless fuck!

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:18 | 3666097 otto skorzeny
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    That fuckwit cultist Romney was a great alternative- or just a willing dupe? If this doesn't prove that voting accomplishes nothing then I don't know what does

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:22 | 3666108 Dr. Engali
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    We had an alternative, but the dumb fucks in the primary process gave us Romney instead. But you know what right now I'd take Donald fucking duck over this guy.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:25 | 3666119 otto skorzeny
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    I like RP and gave hin some $ but I don't know if he has the stones to be the heavywight ballbuster that is needed.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:29 | 3666125 NidStyles
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    Yeah because 30 years of doing it and telling the truth certainly wasn't enough to establish a pattern of behavior, right?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:39 | 3666156 Troll Magnet
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    RON PAUL 2016!!!

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:40 | 3666160 otto skorzeny
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    That has nothing to do with changing policies for the better.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:29 | 3666299 CaptainObvious
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    If you didn't write his name in on your ballot, it's your own damn fault.  if you didn't talk him up to your coworkers and neighbors and family, it's your own damn fault.  If you didn't wear a Ron Paul button, attend a rally, slap a bumper sticker on your car, it's your own damn fault.  Tossing his campaign $20 here and there didn't help his cause. His campaign was not based on advertising budgets but on good old-fashioned grass roots.  People had to know his message to get him.  People had to be told the truth about him, not the slanderous bullshit the MSM slung at him.

    He certainly had the stones to turn this nation around. He preached the same fucking message for three decades.  If that's not the dictionary definition of "consistent", then I don't know what is.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:02 | 3666389 HedgeHammer
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    So Did Ross Pero whom I voted for when he was running, How do you all like that 5 dollar a gallon gas now. Voting will not work anymore. Protesting doesn't do a damn thing anymore. No the Constitution needs to be pulled out and the dust blown off and well that can't happen until these assholes are dealt with.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:33 | 3666476 jimmytorpedo
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    The system is unethical, corrupt, murderous.

    Voting is immoral.

    Stay virtuous my friends.


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:43 | 3666341 toadold
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    I'm voting for Daffy Duck myself. With Sylvester for Vice. 

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:37 | 3666150 WillyGroper
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    Not quite sure bout that Otto. It's entirely possible his magic underoos could have accomplished at the very least, the same recovery of the Bernanskster.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:03 | 3666391 The Gooch
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    Sheep meet puppet.

    Climb up a couple 'o' rungs.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:17 | 3666098 Blankenstein
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    So true Dr. Engali!  I'm sure a large percentage (90% ??) of his voting base has no idea who Daivd Axelrod is.  Let alone the other members of the Chicago cabal.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:21 | 3666104 otto skorzeny
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    But he's black(ish) so that makes him cool- according to the MSM

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:32 | 3666135 Poor Grogman
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    The problem as always, is that you are provided with the PTB's choice..

    "option A" or "option B".

    Given a real choice most people would probably just say "none of the above" or a random person from the phone book.

    Blaming the people is a convenient diversion from the real problem, which is that our systems are able to be (and have been) captured.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:38 | 3666152 Dr. Engali
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    In general you are correct. However this guys followers are freaking fanatics. The only time I've ever seen anything like them was in old Nazi films.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:42 | 3666171 otto skorzeny
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    Ron Paul's?-you know- you're right.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:49 | 3666189 Dr. Engali
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    I don't remember any Greek temples suggesting we had a god in our presence at any Ron Paul events. I don't remember stadiums full of rabid fans, or people portraying Dr. Paul like he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. I don't remember Dr. Paul getting a peace prize simply for existing. I could go on, but I'm bored.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:53 | 3666363 Poor Grogman
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    Getting the people to go crazy about your candidate is part of successful system capture.

    People will react in fairly predictable ways if the information flow is managed. The lack of any background information about a candidate for example allows information management at the fundamental level.

    Very few people are totally immune to Successful propaganda If it is sprinkled cleverly throughout all their "trusted" information sources.

    System capture runs deeper than just the actual ballot day.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:08 | 3666412 Omen IV
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    Nonsense - i voted for the guy and im not a fanatic!   it was the lesser of two evils - romney was a crook and the republicans disgusting - pure and simple - this guy is merely a scum bag

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:03 | 3666553 Dr. Engali
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    You sir are just as much part of the problem as the rest of them. Anybody who compromises their values, if indeed they have any, to cast a vote for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. By the way Romney was just a money grubber this guy is far more sinister.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:45 | 3666646 Poor Grogman
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    So what should people of good conscience do on voting day then?

    Should they just leave it to the free shit crowd to decide?

    What I am saying is that once the system is deeply captured, there are no good voting choices anymore.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:33 | 3666761 TheFourthStooge-ing
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    So what should people of good conscience do on voting day then?

    Something worthwhile. I guess that rules out voting.

    Should they just leave it to the free shit crowd to decide?

    Voters decide nothing of importance.

    What I am saying is that once the system is deeply captured, there are no good voting choices anymore.

    You're right. The US operates under a one-party system, poorly masquerading as a two-party system. Voting merely provides the illusion of choice; for those who can see it for what it is, voting is an utter waste of time.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:15 | 3666900 Poor Grogman
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    As seems to be the norm within a structured society, the most intelligent of the sociopaths have correctly identified a weakness that they can exploit to perpetuate their dominance over the generally well intentioned masses.

    For any future political system to be any more successful, a way must be found to eliminate this "gaming of the system".

    Either that or political systems themselves must be banned???

    I guess this will be an ongoing problem then...

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:32 | 3666615 tenpanhandle
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    So you knowingly voted for a scum bag?  What won't you do?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:32 | 3666136 texas sandman
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    It wasn't just what we did know, it was what we didn't.   We still have no definitive answers about his time at Occidental, Columbia, etc.  No transcripts, no birth certificate, nothing.  He was elected into the most powerful political position on planet earth with less vetting than a bathroom cleaner at MickeyDs.  All we had was two "autobiographies" from someone who by all accounts hadn't done a single solitary thing in his life to warrant so much as a newspaper column let alone two books.


    We found out more about this Snowden characters background in 24 hours than we've found out about Obummer in 5 years.  Am I the only one who finds that a little more than disconcerting?


    BTW, I dislike the white half of Obummer as much as the black half, so am I just half racist?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:40 | 3666159 Dr. Engali
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    To answer your question.... no you are not alone in your concerns.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:58 | 3666215 Crash Overide
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    Do people that think voting actualy matters...?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:54 | 3666369 noless
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    I like what you did there, intentional or not.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:08 | 3666707 americanspirit
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    Hi Dr E. - I almost always like and respect your comments, but the alternative was McCain and Palin. I wrote in Ron Paul but that was always a non-starter. So the idiotic sheeple really didn't have a choice, even if some of them could say baaahhh humbug.

    Parenthetically I think that all of us superior intellects here on ZH ought to stop denigrating the sheeple. If there is ever going to be an uprising it will be those cute little wooly critters who make it happen. And when/if it does happen, all of us who have been dissing them over the years might find that they've been taking notes. Just sayin'.

    Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:01 | 3667398 Cloud9.5
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    Too many people wanted something for nothing. They got nothing and gave up quite a lot.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:55 | 3666031 F. Bastiat
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    Hussein Obama is a delusional marxist.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:57 | 3666036 Pairadimes
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    More bread, less circus, please.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:57 | 3666038 stant
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    You had a good run America gave it up for the 4th reich

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:57 | 3666039 nmewn
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    If you think you can't trust him now, wait till you see your first paycheck of the new year.

    That is, if you have a full time job that was "saved or created" by The

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:23 | 3666285 Kalevi
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    NSA 38,000 and "Digital Blackwater" 1 mil, that's a lot of well paid jobs, why are you whining?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:58 | 3666041 The Proletariat
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    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:59 | 3666042 thismarketisrigged
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    well i hope these assholes who voted for him in the 1st place are paying the price.


    fuck obama and fuck every single asshole who voted for this fuck.


    i did not vote for him the 1st time, but ill give the people who did a pass because who knows what mccain what have been. however, when having this piece of shit for 4 years in office and then again voting for him after what they had seen the previous 4 years, those people can go fuck themselves and i hope they get hurt the most by obamas policies.


    fuck obama and fuck his supporters

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:05 | 3666061 Neoisolationist
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    He didn't get a majority of the vote. They engineered the results via computer ballot fraud and absentee ballot fraud. The public doesn't support him like that. You just don't see it anywhere.


    Doesn't matter though, now. Whole system is under the sway of foreign interests (read bankers/fascists). They are dug in and don't leave without some kind of solution that is external to the voting mechanism--whatever that ends up being.


    I agree with you we are in serious trouble.


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:12 | 3666076 Raymond K Hessel
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    There tons of people still driving around with Obama stickers.  And stop with the vote nonsense.  The popular election doesnt elect the President, it's the electoral college.  The electoral college is composed of political insiders and appointees within each state.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:59 | 3666043 tarsubil
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    Can you imagine the number of phone recordings the NSA has of Obama with his boyfriends? The guy is NEVER going to back down from protecting the NSA.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:04 | 3666057 Oldwood
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    Can't you just see Obama's face while NSA briefs him for the first time about their surveillance systems, and as proof opens Obama's file to show him the kind of work they do? "now Mr President, if you could just sign here, here and here and intial the bottom of these four pages here, I think we are good!"

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:37 | 3666149 NoDebt
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    He just heard about it on the news the other week, like the rest of us.

    Like the IRS thing.  And the Benghazi thing.  And the AP thing. 

    Damn you, DC insiders, you won't even tell the President what's going on!  Can't you see how hard he's trying?  How's an honest, hard-working guy like Obama supposed to do his job if you keep him in the dark about everything?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:58 | 3666543 franzpick
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    And the recordings of O'Bindle talking code with people no one in the WH has ever heard of, but whom the NSA knows all too well, who suddenly show up on the visitor's list.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 17:59 | 3666044 TrustbutVerify
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    Young hipsters take so long to realize what's really going on. 

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:51 | 3666071 IridiumRebel
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    Yes, but, it takes time to hunt through the racks at Goodwill for that ONE shirt.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:01 | 3666046 Oldwood
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    So are we saying the under 30 crowd are becoming racists too? I mean, if you can't trust a black man, there has to be something immoral there, right?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:02 | 3666049 Cacete de Ouro
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    Untrustworthy is when the Rothschild and Rockefeller and the Master Fonds Families get their strings entangled. Then the Puppets don't dance very well, and the Puppets' puppets (like Obama), seem lost at sea...

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:12 | 3666051 Al Huxley
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    Who could have guessed that being a lying, spying, disingenuous, hypocritical, opportunistic exploiter of the general public could have such a negative effect on peoples' opinions?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:20 | 3666105 Everybodys All ...
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    Apparently they were cool with everything until the spying became known. That was just too much. So future Marxist con men make a note that its ok to be disengenuous, hypcritical, opportunistic, and an exploiter of the general public. Just don't spy on everyone.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:35 | 3666316 CaptainObvious
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    They're still gonna spy on everyone.  The operative lesson here is to not get caught at it.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:03 | 3666054 PhilofOz
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    One word stands out for this creep, along with UK PM Cameron on their statements on Syria using chemical weapons against the "rebels".  This just adds to that.   LIAR!

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:23 | 3666111 otto skorzeny
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    I wish Putin would beat the fuck out of Harper at the G8.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:32 | 3666133 oddjob
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    Harper is the most pro-isreal 'leader' out there. He is fucking sickening.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:06 | 3666063 seek
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    For the first time O has actually given me real hope -- that the under 30s actually care about rights enough to abandon their lying savior shows they may have some backbone after all.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:36 | 3666322 CaptainObvious
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    The under 30s will roll over like good dogs and vote for the next Democratic bone thrown at them.  Just as the over 40s will sit up and beg like good dogs and vote for the next Republican bone thrown at them.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:07 | 3666064 lynnybee
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    he deserves it. 

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:12 | 3666075 Dr. Engali
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    What he deserves I can not say without a knock on the door from the NSA goons. So I'll just say hopefully he can not do any more damage than he already has.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 19:37 | 3666323 CaptainObvious
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    Sure he could do more damage.  We aren't in FEMA camps yet.  Though I have a feeling the gubmint goons are gonna be knocking on my door any second to take me to Camp FEMA for "reeducation and processing".

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:08 | 3666066 IridiumRebel
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    I totally trust him and our government. In fact, they can read my emails and listen to my telephone calls if they wish to.....

    Oh wait!

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:08 | 3666067 markar
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    you'd have to be brain dead to believe this President is honest and trustworthy

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:11 | 3666072 stinkhammer
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    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:12 | 3666074 sudzee
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    Not to worry. I'm sure a poll by NSA will refute the findings of CNN.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:15 | 3666090 nmewn
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    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:47 | 3666514 Oldwood
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    Given the importance placed on polling and the ability of the NSA to watch over our every utterance maybe we can just forego these troublesome and expensive elections. They can just tell us what our choices are and what we are thinking. Who would question the outcome?

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:15 | 3666077 Smiley
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    Thanks to public education retardifying the entire country for 3 generations people now vote for whatever idiot can regurgitate the best string of Puns, Platitudes, Anecdotes, and Cliche's.


    The voting public is now to stupid to pick apart what politicians even say anymore; they just want their candidate to sound "pretty and right."

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:13 | 3666079 jomama
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    fickle and stupid.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:13 | 3666080 Everybodys All ...
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    So up until this last month this crowd was on board with O'homie. That is the truly scary part.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 20:24 | 3666458 Omen IV
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    whats the alternative? the criminal republicans ....pleeese!

    the country needs a huge enema it has shit for brains


    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:13 | 3666081 lolmao500
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    Doesn't matter, Obamabots will continue to suck his dick, no matter what. Just like Bushbots did...

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 21:46 | 3666650 tenpanhandle
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    Bushbots sucked Obama's dick? wonder we're in such deep shit.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:16 | 3666082 ebworthen
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    Let's see:

    1. He's spying on them.
    2. He promised jobs and they got minimum wage burger flipping part time no benefits.
    3. He promised to close Guantanamo and it's still "open for business".
    4. He promised to get out of Iraq and Afghanistan but the only things coming home are the flag draped coffins of our young.
    5. He promised "transparency" and gave them a brick wall in front of concrete in front of lead lining.
    6. He promised "change" and he gave them the same old bullshit.
    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:16 | 3666096 nmewn
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    Well, at least he's ;-)

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:25 | 3666118 ebworthen
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    Aye, "caught with his pants down" as they say.

    Mon, 06/17/2013 - 18:29 | 3666126 Dr. Engali
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    The emperor needs a new outfit.

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