Ron Paul: "Obama’s Syria Policy Looks A Lot Like Bush’s Iraq Policy"

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Submitted by Dr. Ron Paul via The Free Foundation,

President Obama announced late last week that the US intelligence community had just determined that the Syrian government had used poison gas on a small scale, killing some 100 people in a civil conflict that has claimed an estimated 100,000 lives. Because of this use of gas, the president claimed, Syria had crossed his “red line” and the US must begin to arm the rebels fighting to overthrow the Syrian government.

Setting aside the question of why 100 killed by gas is somehow more important than 99,900 killed by other means, the fact is his above explanation is full of holes. The Washington Post reported this week that the decision to overtly arm the Syrian rebels was made “weeks ago” – in other words, it was made at a time when the intelligence community did not believe “with high confidence” that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons.

Further, this plan to transfer weapons to the Syrian rebels had become policy much earlier than that, as the Washington Post reported that the CIA had expanded over the past year its secret bases in Jordan to prepare for the transfer of weapons to the rebels in Syria.

The process was identical to the massive deception campaign that led us into the Iraq war. Remember the famous quote from the leaked “Downing Street Memo,” where representatives of British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s administration discussed Washington’s push for war on Iraq?

Here the head of British intelligence was reporting back to his government after a trip to Washington in the summer of 2002:

“Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

That is exactly what the Obama Administration is doing with Syria: fixing the intelligence and facts around the already determined policy. And Congress just goes along, just as they did the last time.

We found out shortly after the Iraq war started that the facts and intelligence being fixed around the policy were nothing but lies put forth by the neo-con warmongers and the paid informants, like the infamous and admitted liar known as “Curveball.” But we seem to have learned nothing from being fooled before.

So Obama now plans to send even more weapons to the Syrian rebels even though his administration is aware that the main rebel factions have pledged their loyalty to al-Qaeda. Does anyone else see the irony? After 12 years of the “war on terror” and the struggle against al-Qaeda, the US decided to provide weapons to the allies of al-Qaeda. Does anyone really think this is a good idea?

The Obama administration promises us that this is to be a very limited operation, providing small arms only, with no plans for a no-fly zone or American boots on the ground. That sounds an awful lot like how Vietnam started. Just a few advisors. When these few small arms do not achieve the pre-determined US policy of regime change in Syria what is the administration going to do? Admit failure and pull the troops out, or escalate? History suggests the answer and it now appears to be repeating itself once again.

The president has opened a can of worms that will destroy his presidency and possibly destroy this country. Another multi-billion dollar war has begun.

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Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:16 | 3666717 whotookmyalias
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Oh no, can't be. Obama ran on the platform of "not being like Bush".  Ron Paul must be wrong.

/sarc for those of you who confuse easily.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:46 | 3666812 toady
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Obama promised...

They all promise!

I'll be surprised when they actually follow through. I'd even settle for no more promises.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:23 | 3666905 ZerOhead
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"The president has opened a can of worms that will destroy his presidency and possibly destroy this country. Another multi-billion dollar war has begun."

Way too late to stop this shitshow from reaching it's logical and foregone conclusion already.

Just on a personal note however... if he really wants to bring Syria to it's knees so badly...  wouldn't it be quicker and less bloody just to send his Wall Street buddies over there to finish them off?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:49 | 3666988 Joe Sixpack
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What do you think he is preparing the way for? Democracy (haaa, haaa, haaa, haaa haaa....).

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:20 | 3667049 Spanky
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We'll sell them all the freedom they can afford. ;>)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:40 | 3667087 A Nanny Moose
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You will have Demockracy, you will like it, and you will beg for more.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:59 | 3667126 James_Cole
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We found out shortly after the Iraq war started that the facts and intelligence being fixed around the policy were nothing but lies...But we seem to have learned nothing from being fooled before.

That's not true, a majority of Americans are against the arming of Syrian rebels. 

70 percent of Americans polled said they oppose doing so

Even the Iraq war barely had a majority.

Before the invasion in March 2003, polls showed 47-60% of the US public supported an invasion, dependent on U.N. approval

.gov isn't interested in the common folks' opinions. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 01:46 | 3667185 Herd Redirectio...
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I had the pleasure of eating dinner with my parents tonight.  After the pleasantries I opened with "So Nobel Peace Prize winner Barack Obama wants to provide weapons to rebels in Syria.  But its not like the Rebels are Muslim Extremists or anything!"

My dad asked "What are they (the rebels)?"

"Muslim extremists!"

"We are waging a War on Terror at the same time as supplying weapons to Muslim Extremist Rebels..."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 02:48 | 3667237 piliage
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Yep. We are killing them in Afghanistan and Iraq and supporting them in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, and Syria. I guess the theory is to stop Iran gaining control of Syria in the great Shiite Sunni game, but frankly, our hypocrisy stinks to high-heaven.

But I'm sure our crack State Department has everything under control....

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:39 | 3668272 whotookmyalias
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They will be run by a former JPM/GS Rothschild crony soon enough.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:35 | 3667638 Zwelgje
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This Shi'ite vs. Sunni thingy is part of a grand divide-n-conquer strategy being employed by what is called The West.

Just like the Protestants were set up against Catholics and vice versa by the ruling elites of Europe not that long ago.

It is not 'organic' if you know what I mean.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:30 | 3667915 El Diablo Rojo
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Even worse piliage - this administration will create exactly what it doesn't want, a new Persian empire.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:43 | 3667992 Zwelgje
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What is wrong with that? Much better than the current PAX.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:51 | 3668042 Ace Ventura
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Could be....although I think the odds are more tilted towards the establishment of a new Islamic Caliphate, versus a new Persian Empire. The former is considerably more dangerous than the latter.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:58 | 3668084 fallout11
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"The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either [fictional boogiemen], but to keep the very structure of society intact." - George Orwell, 1984.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 03:11 | 3667247 Spanky
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.gov isn't interested in the common folks' opinions. -- James_Cole


And just what do we plan to do about it?

Damn it's late (just one more post dear, it's ZH), I'm tired, work's early, ain't nobody I know getting killed -- fuck it, I'll do something tomor... soon. Real soon.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:28 | 3667067 TBT or not TBT
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Toady, George W was going to be the education president, remember. Events, gentlemen, events.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 01:36 | 3667172 HulkHogan
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Notice that Education doesn't make it onto candidate's platform anymore?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:37 | 3667356 Pay Day Today
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It would, if the student loan bubble had any room left to go.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:32 | 3667629 toady
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The big lie from W, for me anyway, was the 'no foreign entanglements' lie.

Barry has him beat by a country mile though... His campaign rhetoric was to completely reverse what W started, and he doubled down instead.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 02:57 | 3667242 HardAssets
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Not electing Ron Paul  - - -

another dumb mistake of the American people

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 03:29 | 3667260 Deo vindice
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Ron Paul: the best president America never had.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:57 | 3667386 dark pools of soros
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Besides Chuck Norris

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:05 | 3667529 Race Car Driver
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Ron Paul is a chump magnet.

I don't understand why he gets so much face time on ZH ... he hasn't done fuck about anything, won't do fuck about anything - can't do fuck about anything ... nothing but a steady warm breeze of hot air.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:15 | 3667572 Race Car Driver
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Oh, look ... anonymous downraters. Ron Paul chumps too lazy and braindead to defend their man with words.

Click the red button, little monkeys, and move along.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:51 | 3667706 Last_2_Sense
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Get fucked dipshit. There, words.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:00 | 3668099 auntiesocial
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Obama. McCain. Paul. hello? anybody in there? no clear cut choice for the interest of American People and the American Economy?

let me guess, you are a fevered Bachmann supporter. 


RON PAUL! 2016. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:29 | 3668231 tvdog
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Anyone who attacks truth-tellers like Snowden or Paul is a shill for TPTB. It makes it real easy to tell.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:51 | 3668606 HardAssets
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tvdog - we probably agree on RP, but I disagree with you about opposing opinions. To me this sounds too much like the global warming pushers who call those who disagree names. If your position is strong, it will hold up to disagreement and debate. RP can handle such attacks with ease. - - -

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:45 | 3668565 HardAssets
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Ron Paul has always understood that you can't lead people where they don't want to go. He saw his role as asking questions and providing education. Only now, after all these years, has his efforts started to take hold.

IMO - there will need to be a massive economic crash (with all the social turmoil that comes with it) before the American people might be motivated to wake up. Hopefully, they'll remember some of the things that Ron Paul has spoken about all these years. As a long time conservative Repub, I thought he was a 'kook'. Of course, I only knew what others told me about him, not the knowledge and philosophy behind his positions. Its never too late to learn, but most people need to feel enough pain before theyre willing to drop their old failed notions. Hopefully theyll follow Ron Paul's example and choose Liberty . . . . rather than be fooled into choosing tryanny.

RaceCarDiver - now you may not know this, but RP isnt a dictator (and wouldnt want to be one). What exactly do you think he can 'do' if it isnt supported by the American people ?  Or does he just wave a wand and make it all better ?  Even if he had been elected, he would have faced a great deal of opposition from those who live off the system as it is. If RP had been elected, it would only have been the first step - - - and an indicator that many more Americans had stepped out of the false 'left' versus 'right' paradigm.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:02 | 3667334 Al Gorerhythm
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Obama supporting the canabalistic, organ eating rebels in Syria brings new meaning tho America's "Hearts and Minds" interventionist foreign policy.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:39 | 3667650 Zwelgje
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:57 | 3668078 auntiesocial
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this is the part where the sheeples collective short term memory loss kicks in...

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:15 | 3666721 Oldwood
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This is a test, a test of the world's intelligence. They will keep pulling the same shit over and over again until we actually call them on it. Until then we are failing the test.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:47 | 3666813 FMR Bankster
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This is some batsh*t crazy stuff. Getting involved in another war in the middle east. Sort of like jumping into the Vietnam/Cambodia conflict a couple of years after 1975. I wonder if Obama sleeps upside down and hanging by his feet?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:29 | 3667071 TBT or not TBT
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That was Valerie jarret.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:23 | 3667055 Spanky
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What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:17 | 3666727 pragmatic hobo
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meet the new boss ... same as old boss ... boy did we get fooled ...

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:38 | 3666781 BlueCollaredOne
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Who is this we you are speaking of?  

If you were fooled, read moar.  

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 06:55 | 3667329 Al Gorerhythm
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Tell me you didn't vote for Bush, if you voted. BTW, I'm politically agnostic.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:22 | 3667052 Muddy1
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Bush:  "Weapons of mass destruction"

Obama:  "Chemical weapons"

The reality is that all chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction, but not all weapons of mass destruction are chemical weapons.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:30 | 3667072 TBT or not TBT
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A Baathist regime bordering Iraq has wMD? Come on now.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:18 | 3666729 Dr. Engali
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We have always been at war with East Asia.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 01:48 | 3667189 Herd Redirectio...
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Or was it Eurasia/Oceania?

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:18 | 3666734 otto skorzeny
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I'm thinking more of a Bosnia bomb-the-shit-out-of-anything-that-moves from the air type operation.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:22 | 3666744 ronaldawg
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Nothing is going to happen in Syria. O'bummer is a fag Tawlker.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 23:22 | 3666913 CaptainObvious
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I'm thinking it's gonna be a drone war.

"The Obama administration promises us that this is to be a very limited operation, providing small arms only, with no plans for a no-fly zone or American boots on the ground."

Drones can be counted as small arms, right?  And if there's no no-fly zone, the drones can bomb the entire country back to the stone age.  And there won't be any boots on the ground, since the war will be fought from a nice, clean bunker somewhere on a US military base in another country.

Don't drone me, bro!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:26 | 3667060 Spanky
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How terribly obvious, but of course you are Captain.

Mon, 06/17/2013 - 22:23 | 3666741 DawgAss
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FUCK HIM (The Magic Negro not, RP) AND EVERYONE IN DC!

A bunch of NO BALLS pricks and cunts, with few exceptions.

WAR, what's it good for" "NOTHING, ABSOUTELY NOTHING"

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 00:31 | 3667073 Spanky
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You missed a spot...


"WAR, what's it good for" "NOTHING, ABSOUTELY NOTHING" (except profits, pipelines, geo-strategic positioning for the next conquest, and big dick bragging rights).


There, all fixed up. Your welcome!

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