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Is The Credit Cycle Over?
No matter how much pushing on the market- or economic-string a central planner tries, eventually the risk-based pricing of credit (as opposed to nominal price based stocks) turns the corner from accepting rising leverage as potentially good thing for growth to worrying that cash flows are at risk from an over-generous management transfer to shareholders. The four-year bullish period of this credit cycle is nearing its historical average and leverage is near its cycle highs with near record numbers of firms raising leverage YoY suggesting the credit cycle is over.
Leverage is rising...
and pretty much every other credit metric is deteriorating...
and the credit cycle is getting long in the tooth...
It seems the only factor driving credit from not being wider based on these leverage and cycle indications is the 'flow' from the Fed. We suspect that is what has created the weakness in bonds recently (even though we note that cash bond markets have not weakened as much as CDS since managers are preferring to hedge than cover for now - since, quite bluntly, they know that if they all collaborate and don't sell then everything is fine but once one manager decides to cover instead of hedge, the small doors and large crowds will see major liquidity gaps appear in HY credit).
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"quite bluntly, they know that if they all collaborate and don't sell then everything is fine but once one manager decides to cover instead of hedge.."
what if they don't ever sell. Ever?
The "right" people will get out in time, for everybody else there is John Corzine.
the pussy in the ad to my left looks sweet and ready for action (urban gardens/organic undies). but on another note, the historical comparisons in the above post are too recent, imo. since 2008, we have passed into the deflationary era which finds its most recent comparable in the 1930's. if that data is included, the average credit cycles are shorter.
courtesy of john hussman (note the "shorter and more violent" opening of paragraph two and the shortening of bull markets from 4+ years to 3- years): Since 1940, the market has experienced 13 bull market advances of at least 25% from a bear market low, and 13 bear market declines of at least 20% from a bull market high. Bull market advances during this period have averaged a 123% price gain, a 162% total return, and a duration of 4.4 years. Bear market declines during this period have averaged a 35% price loss, a 32% loss including dividends, and a duration of 1.3 years. So dividends have helped to boost the bull market gains and mute the bear market losses to some extent, but with a dividend yield of just over 2% on the S&P 500, this effect is not very strong at present. Combining bull and bear markets, the average market cycle has averaged a 45% price gain, a 79% total return, and a duration of 5.6 years. This works out to an annualized total return of 10.9%, and an annualized capital gain of 6.9%, that gap being bridged by dividends, which have represented nearly 40% of total returns over time.
Pre-war market cycles tended to be shorter and more violent. Taking market history since the early 1920’s, the market has experienced 23 bull market advances of at least 25% from a bear market low, and 23 bear market declines of at least 20% from a bull market high. Taken together, bull market advances during this period have averaged a 102% price gain, a 129% total return, and a duration of 2.9 years. Bear market declines during this period have averaged a 37% price loss, a 35% loss including dividends, and a duration of 1 year. Combining the two, the average market cycle has averaged a 27% price gain, a 50% total return, and a duration of 3.9 years (which is why market historians used to think in terms of a standard “4-year cycle”). All of this works out to an annualized total return of 10.9%, and an annualized capital gain of 6.3%.
The assets are "sold" into another "buy". When you buy gold and silver are your actually buying it or are you selling dollars? When a manager sells is he selling or is he buying dollars?
Selling is already banned in many cases. There are already huge penalties for withdrawing early from a 401k Fonz. It has long been hotel california. Moreover, in a "debt is money" system, credit must increase, or the oligarchy loses power and control. That's what this is really about, power and control over resources (including the human kind). This is why the "education" system encourages sheep-like behavior and discourages free/critical thinking.
AMEN!
What kids are really taught is that too much is never enough and all the important things in their future lives is advertised on TV.
/former education bureaucrat
Ah, but remember the Boomers are starting to retire in droves ergo the penalty most likely does not apply as they are over 59.5.
When there is no fear of prosecution, bankers will always change the rules. The death tax will be 98%, kids get nothing.
Persecution is far more effective than prosecution.
Yes, but free and critical thinking, leads to irresponcibility to the Nth degree, and a waste of earthly resources. As the addicted trumps the critical thinker and doesn't look back.
that which cannot be sustained, won't be. Meh.
"what if they don't ever sell. Ever?"
Then expect another round of bank bail-outs (bail-ins) immediately following the discovery that "Mark to Unicorn Accounting" was done on a much grander scale than anyone could have imagined and on far more asset classes. Not billions this time. Trillions.
When you can't sell, you cover up the magnitude of the losses however you can. Then one day an unexpected beam of truth shines in, quite by accident, and burns the whole thing to the ground in minutes.
excuse me for occupying the top of this thread. (little multi-legged creatures"), clawing at me?
Relax fellow traders, tapering is like licking chocolate from a fountain. Needs to be heated and tempered ;-)
So, everybody is playing a ponzi version of poker; ponzi-poker, poker-ponzi. And everyone's holding a bust; a pair of twos.
Coming from a guy that spent m&m's on a 757? We serious traders have better things to do, 'Dr. comb over'.
Print more threes.
So is this good for bonds or bad for bonds? i'm confused
Add me to the list.
I dunno do you want a collapse or not?
Depends. If you ask CNBC, it's always bad for bonds and always good for stocks. If you ask zerohedge, it's always good for gold.
There are bonds and then there are bonds. The ones Wall Street tries to sell to you are bad. Those are obviously not treasuries.
Why not both?
Coherence is overrated anyway.
The one who got the bond picture right is Rosenberg. He is now bearish. I am not sure if hit the exact low, but that was close.
The profit opportunities are so enticing on the bear side that certainly a few large players will eventually jump at it. If they don't, they won't get their alpha moving forward.
Nothing matters except what Ben Bernanke had for breakfast. So it goes in the land of the free.
The whole situation is really, truly awful. That's why the markets are up ~1% today.
sunny
The credit cycle has been blown out since 2000. Bernanke has expanded the money pool to fight the inevitable.
Meh, all is bullish.
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Nice music. Is that Fleetwood Mack??
I love Muslim on Muslim violence.
Lets all say it together, ALLAAAAAAAAAHHH !
Somebody needs to kick the ten year in to see if it's still alive.
Nevermind the gimp show in the back alley....over in the big top we got the Spectacular Dancing Bull Equities show!!
She is here alright, kickin and screamin as he trades the hot spot.
Every time the Bubble Bernanke Fed's POMO show is on television the market rallies. Expect more of the Fed appearances and pump rallies to counter any negative market moves.
Bernanke will bring his sidekicks, Evans, Bullard and Dudley to really juice the market to the shows.
An entire bull market cycle without anyone other than the 10% feeling it. Where real employment fell throughout the entire thing. Millions more people entered poverty, and millions of retired people had to go back to work. Millions of your people went hundreds of thousands in debt, and had no better job prospect than flipping burgers at Wendy's.
WOW!!!!!!!
We need a downturn quick. I can't wait to see what the next bull market brings!!!!!
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Well, hey, it worked for Jim Trafficant. Too bad it didn't work out for him.
"His hair was perfect". ~ Warren Zevon
Yea whatever the credit cycle is over I'm sure....so we'll definitely see another 1% across all equities and bonds again tomorrow then. Whatever.