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European Car Sales Drop To 20-Year Low, Germany Clobbered

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When the S&P, always so conveniently ahead of the curve, yesterday revised its forecast for Europe from growth in the second half of 2013 to 2014 one couldn't help but golf clap, as well as wonder if they finally started looking at the fundamental depressionary reality on the ground instead of the rating agency's infamous "models." A depressionary reality confirmed by the latest car sales number for May which just hit a fresh 20 year low.

From AP:

European car sales hit their lowest level for the month of May in 20 years as the region's recession dragged on, the European automakers' association said Tuesday.

They meant depression instead of recession, but it's an honest mistake.

Passenger car sale demand for May dropped by 5.9 percent on the same month last year in the 27-country European Union to 1.042 million units, the lowest level since May 1993, when sales dropped below 1 million, according to new figures released by ACEA. For the first five months of the year, sales dropped 6.8 percent to 5.07 million.


The economy of the 17 European Union countries that use the euro shrank by 0.2 percent in the first quarter of this year — the sixth such decline in a row — and unemployment is at 12.2 percent. Meanwhile, the wider 27-country EU has also seen its economy slide into recession, shrinking 0.1 percent in the first three months of 2013.


Europe's recession has hit carmakers especially hard, as consumers put off purchases of high-ticket price items like cars under rising unemployment. Carmakers have announced factory closures and put off new car launches in a bid for survival and to return their struggling European operations to profitability.

And while the picture in the periphery has been bleak for a long, long time, the collapse in German car sales is certainly a novel development:

Even in Germany, Europe's strongest economy, car sales dropped to a worrying 9.9 percent in May. In Europe's other leading car markets, the picture was just as bad: Italy was down 8 percent, France saw a 10.4 percent drop, and Spain was off by 2.6 percent. Britain was the only major car market to post growth, up 11 percent.

It may be time for France to further bailout its semi-nationalized car makers. Just to make them more efficient and what not:

Mass market carmakers — PSA Peugeot-Citroen, Renault, Ford, General Motors and Fiat — all suffered double-digit declines in May. Germany's Volkswagen saw its sales drop at a slightly lower rate — a 2.8 percent drop in brand sales and 5.9 percent decline for the group. Sales of Mercedes brand were up 2.8 percent, while BMW brand sales declined 8.1 percent.

So aside from this, the record high unemployment, the record high non-performing loans, and the constant threat of bank deposit confiscation virtually everywhere now courtesy of Diesel-BOOM, Europe is doing just great: after all how else could one explain the jump in German investor confidence? Wait, Japan's carry trade? What's that...


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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:58 | 3667383 Debugas
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GM is selling new cars in China for under $10000

prices in US and in EU are still very overbloated


I bought my first car for 2000 euros and still use it

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:04 | 3667403 jbvtme
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that cute model could use some obama care

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:14 | 3667420 SpanishGoop
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Obama "Phone", "Care", "Car".

Everybody an iPhone, an iBandage and a Chevy Volt.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:42 | 3667483 WayBehind
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If you dont have job or money to go shopping, you dont need a car. Very simple ...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:42 | 3667660 Sudden Debt
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Indeed and it says so in the numbers.

1993, the year when there was mostly 1 person working in the family and mommy stayed home takeing care of the kids.

So you could say we're down 50% or more in carsales.

And also a look to 1993 and now... a lot of kids where less fucked up than then now. ADHD and other fucked up stuff, where does it all come from. But that's another topic :)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:30 | 3667907 Panafrican Funk...
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Auto sales in general appear to be peaking (even in China) and will be a drag on future global GDP growth.  Enter hedonic adjustments.  

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:20 | 3668479 macholatte
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A depressionary reality confirmed


That's what the doctor said ....... it was golf clap.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:48 | 3667493 SpanishGoop
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How many pairs of shoes can you get for a second hand Chevy Volt, two ?


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:56 | 3667506 knukles
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Whyz that look like the pictures were from Deetriot?

Dystopian this,
Dystopian that,
With a lack of morals,
And a lack of tact


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:15 | 3667571 FeralSerf
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Obama phones are used by the system (NSA) to keep track of the homeless or otherwise difficult to count sheep. They don't always work as intended though.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:32 | 3667466 f16hoser
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He's Gay.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:18 | 3668176 A Nanny Moose
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The car, or the girl?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:11 | 3667416 NoWayJose
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But every car sold in the US and the EU today has to have special engine crap added for air quality, all manner of expensive safety features, etc, etc. the much less expensive GM car in China does not need these things. The question for tomorrow is 'do we need these things in a competitive global economy?'

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:17 | 3667425 yrbmegr
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And, in China, they are blessed with air you can cut with a knife, and water that tastes like pork.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:29 | 3667619 ninja247
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Auto emissions has nothing to do with the pollution in China. It's all coal related.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:25 | 3667879 The Proletariat
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:06 | 3668126 PrintemDano
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Yum, pork......

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:24 | 3667444 Debugas
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and you forgot compulsory insurance which in many cases costs more than the car itself

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:48 | 3667491 NoDebt
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97 dollar oil doesnt help either.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:50 | 3667704 CheapBastard
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"The car companies didn't build that."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:24 | 3668497 Midasking
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Not sure why they don't do another cash for clunkers program but just world wide.  Actually you could do it for everything like Tv's, socks, shoes... problem solved.. next?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:57 | 3667385 BeetleBailey
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Germany IS the Euro...and (right now) it's "strong"........

Shorting opportunities.......anyone?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 07:58 | 3667389 ParkAveFlasher
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'96 Buick Skylark ftw!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:30 | 3670513 MisterMousePotato
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1997 Lincoln Town Car. Best automobile ever made by Detroit. Detroit? Wait, what the fuck am I saying?!?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:04 | 3667392 Cognitive Dissonance
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May I humbly suggest that a two-fer-one sale might help those sluggish sales numbers?

<I will gladly pay you in 2028 for two Mercedes Benz convertibles today.>

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:25 | 3667448 Dugald
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Not having to recall umpteen thousand cars would be a big plus........


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:29 | 3667454 LawsofPhysics
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Well, the insurance companies would certainly like that.  Fuck the paper-pushers CD, all of them.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:02 | 3667758 CheapBastard
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Audi will recall more than 6000 hatchbacks due to the same gearbox safety concerns that prompted its parent company Volkswagen to announce a recall of almost 26,000 vehicles.


Used to be quality cars.....

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:00 | 3667393 RaceToTheBottom
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Loved the picture of the model drapped overthe crashed up car....  Loved her fake wounds...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:00 | 3667394 GetZeeGold
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Might have something to do with no one having a job.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:07 | 3667409 Debugas
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it is not just jobs

i can rent a car to drive around the city for 30 eurocents an hour plus 30 eurocents a kilometer.

i see no point in buying brand new city car for a 5 digit number - it will never pay off


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:18 | 3667581 FeralSerf
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Not to mention that parking is a problem. It's cheaper in Zürich to rent a car than it is to park it.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:01 | 3667396 Josephine29
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But UK inflation was up does that count?


What are today’s numbers?

Inflation is back on the rise again.

The Consumer Prices Index (CPI) grew by 2.7% in the year to May 2013, up from 2.4% in April

The RPI 12-month rate for May stood at 3.1%,(up from 2.9% in April)

A major influence on this month’s rise was transport costs as detailed below.

The majority of the contribution came from air transport and motor fuels. Air fares rose by 22.0% on the month this year compared with a much more modest rise of 1.4% in 2012. Petrol and diesel prices both fell, overall, between April and May this year but by less than a year ago.

There was also a rise in the cost of clothing and the only fall came from food and beverages. Those who have followed my Cauliflower watch updates on twitter will have noted that the price of Cauliflower’s did support this.

If we look at the underlying indices we see that the Retail Price Index has reached something of a threshold as a reading of 250 tells us that prices are 2 and a half times what they were when it was re-based in 1987.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:12 | 3667417 Rip van Wrinkle
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So the price of food fell in the UK? Really? Could anyone tell me where my food bill went down last month?


And 'beverages'...that was Osborne's coup de grace in the budget. He cut the tax by a penny a pint. What a f*cking genius he is.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:48 | 3667698 flapdoodle
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Tesco has some out-of-date bangers and turnips on  sale - that must have pushed down the indices...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:43 | 3668280 Mototard at Large
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Horse, dog or beef?  :-)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:43 | 3668581 Navymugsy
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I got a pineapple at Sainsbury's for 50p yesterday but everything else was expensive.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:01 | 3667397 rsnoble
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The avg consumer in the US would have to be an idiot to sign up for a new car loan in this economy.  And then get stuck with full coverage ins payments on top of it.  All they had to do was  introduce financing for everyone and prove once again they really are idiots.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:18 | 3667431 de3de8
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This country is full of idiots. 7 year car loans and the latest is tires to rent!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:26 | 3668218 A Nanny Moose
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and in CA you can add 10% sales tax to the whole transaction. By the time one puts gas in the car and pays licensing fees, over the life of the car, the State will make more off the sale of the car than the Manufacturer and the Dealer. What value has the State added?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:06 | 3667405 Dubaibanker
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Talking of 'growth' markets.....India is having 'negative growth' (lol) car sales...among other things....I am looking for growth.....can someone (read Bernanke) direct me to it? / sarc

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:06 | 3667406 ziggy59
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..But in the USSA, we are selling cars by the carloads full...

What the carload is loaded with..BS!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:08 | 3667411 B2u
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Why not give away cars for free, just like foodstamps and Obama phones.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:19 | 3667435 de3de8
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Please, don't give them any more ideas.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:34 | 3670516 MisterMousePotato
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Actually, this has been done. Might even still be being done somewhere. Read about it a few years back where the govt somewhere (Philadelphia? Pennsylvania?) somewhere back east, I seem to recall, was actually giving cars to 'low income' types so they could get or work at jobs. Seriously.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:44 | 3667487 Debugas
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if you realy think about the costs of production in terms of labour hours spent and go into the plant and see how everything is automated....

It looks like the cost of production is indeed close to zero (in man-hours terms)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:00 | 3667513 knukles
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Didn't they already try that with Cash for Clunkers and then a modified subsidy program with electro-mobiles?
Worked swell, just fucking swell.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:14 | 3667419 USisCorrupt
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Soon they will be offering a young Greek woman as an incentive with each purchase of a new vehicle.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:44 | 3667486 GetZeeGold
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Throw in some Polish military hardware and a native female instructor and you've got yourself a deal.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:08 | 3667777 Bastiat
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That makes me sad.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:36 | 3670518 MisterMousePotato
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The Polish military was at one time fearsome.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:37 | 3670520 MisterMousePotato
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Actually, looking at that link, they might still be (fearsome, that is to say).

Maybe a little, tiny bit different use of the word "fearsome" than I intended at first, but, yes, fearsome they are. Fer sure.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:28 | 3667897 El Viejo
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Where do I enlist??

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:29 | 3668234 A Nanny Moose
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Why can't TSA agents look like that?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:54 | 3667499 WAMO556
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Ill take three please!

Women that is, forget the car!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:06 | 3667524 knukles
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Do that to Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces ordering the toast....


Come to think of it, why free cars?

The government's already paying for it and nobody rides 'em plus they run on natural gas...
Another fucking triumph of ....


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:15 | 3667423 Poor Grogman
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Who needs a car when .gov just sends you a check in the mail, and you can order groceries on the web?

Welcome to the new abnormal...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:20 | 3667436 SpanishGoop
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Check, mail ?

You are lagging behind.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:07 | 3667534 knukles
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And den you robs da delibery boy of de cash when he come to de house

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3668410 Abi Normal
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You called?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:17 | 3667427 Racer
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And the Dax soaring aiming to take out all time highs asap

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:18 | 3667430 JustObserving
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Car sales in Europe approaching 12 million units a year while China is expected to sell 20.66 million units this year.   Austerity is not working in Europe.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:26 | 3667453 SpanishGoop
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Well, the Chineese drive around with squinted eyes so the average lifespan before total-loss of a car is a bit shorter than in Europe.



Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:49 | 3667494 Headbanger
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They can't be any worse than the Russians at wrecking their cars

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:09 | 3667541 knukles
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There's something genetically wrong with those people


and now for a message from our sponsor, the Georgia Guidestones...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:39 | 3670523 MisterMousePotato
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What do you get when you cross a Mexican with an Asian?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:39 | 3670524 MisterMousePotato
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Car thief that can't drive.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:48 | 3667492 SmallerGovNow2
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Fauxterity, there is no Austerity...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:21 | 3667437 q99x2
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They need to sell more submarines to Greece.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:24 | 3667446 aerojet
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BMW jumped the shark.  They need to get back to what made their cars great and stop all this focus on idiotic electronic doodads that degrade before the car hits 100K.  Also, the 1-Series was supposed to be less costly, what happened?   They are with $2K of a 3-series!  

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:33 | 3667470 Racer
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They also have a timing chain problem with 1,3 and 5 series, where the chain is at the back and needs the engine removed to fix it. Cost can be up to £8000 and BMW are claiming it isn't a design fault

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:53 | 3667716 Bastiat
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Whoa, damn.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:41 | 3670527 MisterMousePotato
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Important safety tip there. (If you care about your wallet's health, that is.)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:42 | 3667484 spankfish
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BMW = Bring More Wrenches

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:47 | 3667490 Headbanger
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BMW = Biggest Money Waste


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:17 | 3667576 TahoeBilly2012
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BMW= basic Marin wheels

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:34 | 3667943 Zwelgje
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BMW= Blow My Weeny

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:53 | 3668052 Joe Sixpack
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FIAT- Fix It Again Tony

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:25 | 3668501 Bastiat
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The German joke version:

Bayerische MistWagen

"mistwagon" is a manure spreader.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:41 | 3670529 MisterMousePotato
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Why do the English drink warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators, too.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:19 | 3667584 otto skorzeny
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$60k for a 6 cylinder 5 Series is a fucking joke.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:20 | 3667588 markar
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Tell me about it. My 5 yr old 5 with less than 60K miles had it's transmission control module crash. Cost to repair? $6k. No thanks on a car that was worth $13K. Dumped it for a Kia. Equal build quality & a much better warranty.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:25 | 3667451 firstdivision
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Who is jamming their finger up WTI's butt?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:30 | 3667462 slaughterer
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:31 | 3667463 ChaosEquilibrium
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What 8:10 news lifted ALL World markets and US Futures in unison?.....NONE!


Bernanke's 'Correlation Trade' finally achieved the goal as EVERYONE is on the same side of the boat---including 'bond vigilantes'!

This manipulated and crafted strategy will be the BLACK SWAN of Western Capitalism when the correlations break and markets attempt to 'CLEAR'.


the US automakers are not far behind....with the exception that 'car accounting' and dealer lot bulging is being allowed....after all the Majors could not be brought back from Insolvency to only dissolve into insolvency due to the same macroeconomic shock.

The US people would not stand for such FAILURE and would be in the streets like Turkey and Brazil.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:22 | 3668456 MarsInScorpio
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I don't know where you are, but you are sadly out-of-touch with America.


"the Majors could not be brought back from Insolvency to only dissolve into insolvency due to the same macroeconomic shock.

The US people would not stand for such FAILURE and would be in the streets like Turkey and Brazil."


First, what makes you believe the "US people" have the slightest clue about what you just wrote?  Americans from their "dumbed down" schools can barely read and write - there's a reason why so many young people really believe you is spelled u.


Expecting them or their elders to have the slightest understanding of economic principles and their effects on society is insane. If they did have that understanding, Bernanke would be in prison, the FED would have been dissolved, Obama would have fled to Kenya for political asylum, the Supreme Court - aka Harvard Moot Court In DC - would have been locked up, the Capitol would have been cleansed of the scum called Representatives and Senators, and the Pentagon’s incompetent extension of the Military-Industrial-Orwellian Complex would have been hauled before a firing squad.


And that is just the DC scrubbing . . .


So if you want to know what will really set off the 47%, cut the government checks for becoming baby machines, throw the gang members into desert holding areas, make the sub-primers actually have to be able to qualify for a quality loan, cut the free meds, and the final action that will light the fuse of civil violence . . . turn off their free cable TV.


Of course, you'll only get insane, undirected violence with neither philosophical nor rational direction, but you will get the cities burning - a la 1965 Watts and Harlem.


Only this time the cops will let them burn because they don’t have anything or anyone in their family there to protect,  as you saw in the Rodney King riots when the cops ran away from the riots and hid out behind their sandbags at the various downtown precinct buildings.


Nothing will change in America except that DHS will finally have its excuse to shut down America the Free.


Now that's today's America.



Wed, 06/19/2013 - 01:47 | 3670533 MisterMousePotato
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Shades of Columbine, Colorado ... remember the pictures of the 8,000 or so police and SWAT members cowering behind their cars because there were a couple of skinny dead teenagers inside armed with - gasp - a gun?

Didn't hesitate to point their fully automatic weapons and rocket launchers at a bunch of scared, innocent, unarmed children and screaming at them like Rambo, though, did they?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:32 | 3667468 f16hoser
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SourKraut Bitchez'

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:35 | 3667475 e-recep
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the car is becoming a luxury for the middle class.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:37 | 3667477 Seasmoke
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I just did my part to help Germany. Sold a Mercedes and bought a BMW.

Although they are used. Sorry Angela.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:52 | 3667496 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Finance people looking for new high yield investments look no further.

High prices are driving more motorists to rent tires Chains such as Rent-a-Wheel and Rimco are seeing business boom. Many consumers pay double or triple the cost of buying and face aggressive repossession policies.


Socked by soaring tire prices and short on funds, growing numbers of Americans are renting the rubber to keep their cars rolling.

Rent-to-own tire shops are among the newest arrivals to a sprawling alternative financial sector focused on the nation's economic underclass. Like payday lenders, pawn shops and Buy Here Pay Here used-car lots, tire rental businesses provide ready credit to consumers who can't get a loan anywhere else. But that access doesn't come cheap.

Customers pay huge premiums for their tires, sometimes four times above retail. Those who miss payments may find their car on cinder blocks, stripped of their tires by dealers who aggressively repossess. Tire rental contracts are so ironclad that even a bankruptcy filing can't make them go away.

Still, with payments as low as $14 a week, rent-to-own — long the province of sofa sets and flat-screen TVs — is proving irresistible for consumers desperate for safe transportation.


Economy recovery in action......... Finance industry prospers everyone else well not so much.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 08:55 | 3667498 MilwaukeeMark
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Why would anyone buy a new German car? I could afford a new German Luxury car but chose instead to by a low mileage E-Class (6000 miles) coming off of lease. Most new luxury cars are being leased because they cannot sell them outright. That means millions of low mile cars, 2 years old, coming off lease for 33% off sticker. The manufacturers just wants to swap them out for another 2 year high profit stint. They clean them up, give them a no cash down 1.99% rate, reload them with an extended warranty and full detailing and move them out. This is all supported by the fool who thinks his self worth is all tied to his brand new S-5, 5 Series or S Class. I get 4 years of driving a Luxury car under full warranty for less than the price of a new high end Toyota. Then I look for the next good deal.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:18 | 3668173 Non Passaran
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Because some people are too rich.
Also there are others who prefer new to used.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:00 | 3667514 batterycharged
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Only 2 major cities in the US have populations that can afford to pay monthly payments on new cars. Washington DC is one of them.

Average starting MSRP's of over $20,000 don't compare well to a median wage of $26,000.

How long can auto companies push leases in the US and endure repos from risky borrowers?



Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:16 | 3668168 Non Passaran
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It's time for a $90K Obamacar... Especially if Tesla hits a bump soon.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:01 | 3667520 FJ
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They can still do stuffing with dealers. for clunkers.

This is the most important industry in Germany...they will do everything to buy up excess supply.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:10 | 3667545 orangegeek
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Low sales?  No problem!!!


The car makers can sell their cars to the Audi graveyard.


Or better yet, the car makers can build their own branded graveyards and make it a new growth industry.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 09:20 | 3667587 insanelysane
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The channel stuffing gimic like QE has been overplayed.  The channel stuffing numbers have too much divergence from the registration numbers.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 10:55 | 3668063 Lmo Mutton
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How much for the model.

You can keep the klunker

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 11:04 | 3668114 rosiescenario
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1) Just wondering how much worse the decline would appear if the numbers were adjusted for population? Maybe they are actually hitting a 40 year low??


2) Also have to wonder how much of a decline in the collection of VATs this swan dive in auto sales represents??

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:26 | 3668509 Two Theives and...
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How about bringing over some of the high MPG clean diesels that Americans may actually want to buy? For example, VW makes 70-90 MPG diesels...only the Passat, Golf and Jetta are here that only get 40 MPG...heck my trouble-free Yaris gets that for at least $8,000 less...with no timinig belts to change or other issues. Come to think of it, my Yaris has 150,000 miles and has had NO issues whatsoever...

Germany has some work to do.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:27 | 3668510 Two Theives and...
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How about bringing over some of the high MPG clean diesels that Americans may actually want to buy? For example, VW makes 70-90 MPG diesels...only the Passat, Golf and Jetta are here that get maybe 40 MPG...heck my trouble-free Yaris gets that for at least $8,000 less...with no timing belts to change or other issues. Come to think of it, my Yaris has 150,000 miles and has had NO issues whatsoever...

Germany has some work to do.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:29 | 3668525 Two Theives and...
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Unsure how I created a double book

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:29 | 3668761 AuEagleNest
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Meanwhile, Ferrari is limiting production and focusing on making more personalized, high-end Ferraris to increase their profit margin. They don't want just any old bankster to walk in off the street and be able to afford one.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:56 | 3668867 supermaxedout
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I dont know why you are always looking to Germany. But ok if you want to have an idea how the situation is at present I'll give you some info - not propaganda.

Construction is booming - nobody knows how long its continuing but presently all companies in Germany in the construction busines are running at full capacity and the outlook till end of the year is still excellent.

Payment rises: Companies do pay more salary this year in average appx. 3.5 %.

Still plenty of open jobs in all kind of fields. The newspapers are each weekend full with many pages of open positions. Many foreigners arrivee from other places in Europe to fill the gap in the workforce.

So its not bad now and it looks like the next 12 months are not much different. Further outlook questionable but till now no signs that economy in Germany is slowing.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 05:17 | 3670615 gopher
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Most European new car "sales" are actually 1 year option-to-buy lease deals for employees, their friends, relatives, neighbours etc. Cheap credit helps make this model work...

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