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"This Is A Glock Block" – Frustrated Homeowners All Over America Are Taking Matters Into Their Own Hands
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
All over the United States, frustrated homeowners are banding together, arming themselves and patrolling their own streets. One of the primary reasons this is happening is because police budgets all over the nation are being slashed at a time when violent crime rates in the United States are increasing and many our our largest cities are being transformed into crime-infested war zones. So instead of waiting for government to come up with a solution, many Americans are taking matters into their own hands.
For example, one community group in Milwaukie, Oregon has started posting flyers with an ominous message for potential criminals: "This is a Glock block. We don’t call 911." You can see a photo of this flyer right here. One of the founders of the "Glock Block" is a breast cancer survivor named Coy Tolonen. She decided to arm herself after a thief stole one of her favorite statues out of her front yard while she was watching...
It’s mostly petty crime that neighbors are sick and tired of: stolen lawn ornaments, vandalism. But for neighbors like Tolonen, a breast-cancer survivor, that’s enough: “I will defend myself — and my home,” she told KOIN 6 News.
Tolonen recently had a beloved statue she calls “Lilly Rose” stolen off her front porch. She said she even saw the man who stole it and tried to chase him down — but he got away.
This was the last straw for Tolonen, who decided to take a class to get her concealed carry permit.
We are seeing similar things happen in other areas of the nation. As I wrote about yesterday, the size of the police force has been cut in half in the city of Detroit over the past ten years. Meanwhile, crime rates have skyrocketed. So frustrated citizens are now teaming up with the police to patrol their own neighborhoods...
Volunteers given radios and matching T-shirts help officers protect neighborhoods where burglaries, thefts and thugs drive away people who can’t rely on a police force that lost a quarter of its strength since 2009. With 25 patrols on the streets, the city hopes to add three each year. Meanwhile, the homicide rate continues rising.
In some wealthier neighborhoods around the country, citizens are pooling their resources and are hiring private security firms to ward off criminals. Just check out what is happening in Oakland...
After people in Oakland’s wealthy enclaves like Oakmore or Piedmont Pines head to work, security companies take over, cruising the quiet streets to ward off burglars looking to take advantage of unattended homes.
“With less law enforcement on the streets and more home crime or perception of home crime, people are wanting something to replace that need,” says Chris de Guzman, chief operating officer of First Alarm, a company that provides security to about 100 homes in Oakland. “That’s why they’re calling us and bringing companies like us aboard to provide that deterrent.”
According to Steve Amitay, the executive director of the National Association of Security Companies, this is also happening in other high crime cities such as Atlanta and Detroit. In fact, it is being projected that the "private cop" business is going to absolutely boom in the years ahead.
But not everyone can afford to hire private cops. Those with more limited resources are trying to cope with rising crime any way that they can.
In Chicago, firefighters are actually being enlisted to provide security for public school students walking to and from school...
The city of Chicago has ordered its firefighters to provide security for public school students walking to and from class through the city’s gang turf, according to an official memo from the Chicago Fire Department that WND obtained.
The memo, signed by Chicago Fire Commissioner Jose Santiago, states that the fire department will have “a strong physical presence” along student walking routes for three weeks at the beginning of the school year in the fall.
Sadly, this is just the beginning. As the U.S. economy continues to get even worse, so will crime, gang activity and social decay.
But that doesn't mean that everyone will be bad.
The truth is that there are still some decent people out there.
Today, someone sent me a story about human decency that made me smile. In Laguna Niguel, California a man accidentally sold a wooden watch box for $10 that contained his wife's $23,000 wedding ring. When his wife found out about it, she was absolutely crushed...
Racquel Cloutier was distraught after her husband, Eric, told her he had sold the wooden watch box in which she had hidden the ring before going to hospital to have their fifth child. “I immediately started crying,” said Mrs. Cloutier, 31, of Laguna Niguel, California. “I just wanted the ring to be in a safe place and out of reach from my two-year-old twins.”
Fortunately, the box had ended up with a very honest couple...
A dozen kilometres away, in Mission Viejo, Alyssa and Andrew Lossau were frantically searching for a set of keys. They looked inside a box that Mrs. Lossau’s mother, Chaundel Holladay, had bought at a garage sale and given them as a gift.
Inside, they discovered the three-carat diamond ring. Mrs. Lossau found an email address for Mrs Cloutier and contacted her. “It is giving me faith in people again,” said Mr. Cloutier, 38. “By the grace of God it ended up with the most honest people,” said his wife.
So that story had a very happy ending.
There are still people out there that are ready and willing to do the right thing.
But not everyone is that way. It has been said that desperate people do desperate things, and when the next major wave of the economic collapse strikes there are going to be millions of very desperate people out there on the streets of America.
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I too live in Tampa, and have yet to see such a story on the news. You have any links?
On an aside, keep in mind that with gang initiations, there's a whole crew of illegals within a stone's throw incase it doesn't go so well for the rookie. You might get the upper hand on him, but that won't last long when a dozen MS13 show up behind you.
And that's why only a fool will give up his "high capacity" mags. I catch a fucking gang-banger (or anyone else) tryin' to hurt someone I care about, fists are off the table. It's a gunfight by default.
Both my wife and I have or CCL and carry. But, trying to man up to a dozen illegals who have nothing to lose, each with their own 30-round clips in fully-auto weapons... dunno.
Well, at least the next guy will only have to get into a gun fight with 9 or 10 MS13 members...
And the next guy will only deal with 7 or 8, ad nauseum.
Why would you want to "man up?" The idea is to go home to your loved ones. Playing "Dirty Harry" will get you thrown in prison. Even a righteous shooting might get you thrown in prison. Ask George Zimmerman. Best to deter and walk away if you can.
Maybe Zimmerman will come to your neighborhood, chase your house guests down the street and shoot them. That'll make for a nice evening.
I would gladly live in a neighborhood full of Zimmermans looking out for my property, rather than a neighborhood full of low life Trayvon gangsta pieces of sh*t. And so would you. That's what this is all about.
"They hate us, but they insist on living with us."
The author of the Stand Your Ground Law said that Martin had a right to defend himself against the threats made by Zimmerman. That's what this is about, your desire to consort with felons notwithstanding. And if you do chose to live amongst people with a strong commitment to hunting down and killing each others house guests don't expect too many folks to take you up on any dinner invitations.
So you have illegals openly carrying, what AK's in Tampa?
Bullshit.
I'm thinkin the "initiation" would be a complete failure at that point.
And, I also live in Tampa and have not heard of this as yet. However, the gang bangers/M13 had better get their work done earlier as the fucking helicopter circling in our neighborhood last nigt kept me awake for hours. I barely get to sleep so I don't have to think of this madness only to be awakened by the madness. Oh, then the county water guy is giving $190 dollar tickets out at 2:30 am for sprinklers going off. WTF. I almost shot the SOB. Rant off....
My son lives on the outskirts of Austin and says similar. Ganstas drving in groups at night...jump out and beat the person or couple (or rape the girl) up then jump back in their car and slpit. He said homicides are a nightly event there now...boy, has it changed.
The government has a legal monopoly on the use of force. They, like all monopolies, tend to frown on those treading on 'their' turf. I'll be interested to see how this trend goes.
Jan, 2014 "Glock Block racists shoot innocent minority teen who was only holding stolen property for a friend"
It sort of reminds of the MSM headlines today on the G8 summit. They make it seem that Putin is best buds with everyone on Syria except for stealing someone's SuperBowl ring. Peace is surely just around the corner.
The government does NOT have a legal monopoly YET.
Yes, I agree that they want that monopoly but they do not have it as of now.
Please stop repeating these lies. Every citizen has the right to defend themselves and the Zimmerman prosecutor is making some life-long enemies.
Meanwhile, the "authorities" are doing their best to find a jury that will convict George Zimmerman and make an example of him to deter Americans from protecting themselves and not worshiping the system and the police state.
Refresh my memory... He was that "white" hispanic dude with a "Nazi" sounding name that beat up on an innocent young African American lad, right?...
What gets me is the pics of Trayvon. They use pics from ten years ago when he was sucking his thumb instead of sucking glass dick. Is it too much to show his gang banger tats and thuggery?
Let's see pics of the teenage Zimmerman when he was molesting his young cousin.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0716/George-Zimmerma...
"They hate us yet they insist on living with us."
Or pics of you fucking a corpse, you fucking slanderous bitch.
Being acused does not equal being guilty of anything, fucktard.
Wow, you're seriously demented. Did you know that?
That was the biggest clue that Joe Public should have used to realize the media and the administration were joined at the hip on this one (not that that should have come as a surprise).
The media is playing you big time. The authors of the Stand Your Ground Law have stated that Zimmerman did not abide by that law and that the victim -- Trayvon Martin --did have a right to defend himself against the assailant Zimmerman with deadly force. The TeeVee has convinced you that self defense is bad because a whitish slob used it to kill black dude whereas, in reality, the black dude did what any of us would do if Zimmerman had chased us first by vehicle and then on foot and reached for something in his jacket when he confronted us (That's Zimmerman's own account).
Anyone who likes to be chased down the street by a mugger or pervert can feel free to down vote.
"Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have." -- Rep. Dennis Baxley (R) author of the Stand Your Ground Law
I never said GZ was in the right and TM in the wrong. I don't blame TM for defending himself against the GZ who was following him, and I don't blame GZ for shooting TM after he got his head slapped against the sidewalk a few times. What I did say, was that after the fact, the POTUS held a teary-eyed press conference while the media flooded the scene with pictures of a smiling 12 year old boy as the shooting victim, which was in fact bullshit.
I don't blame GZ for shooting TM after he got his head slapped against the sidewalk a few times.
The Stand Your Ground Law gave Martin the right to use deadly force to defend himself against Zimmerman. What have you got against rule of law?
"Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have." -- Rep. Dennis Baxley, co-author of the Stand Your Ground Law.
Actually if you read the read the law it provides one with an immunity from prosecution by the State and civil liability. So if the authorities want dig up the kid's corpse and display it behind bars, his estate can use the stand your ground defense in a court.
I've read the law.
2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
Feel free to downvote if you hate the rule of law and the right to self defense.
And once he elected to exercise that right, Zimmerman had every right to defend himself as well. It would have been a very different story if Zimmerman didn't have a scratch on him, but this was not the case.
No, he didn't. If someone threatens another person with a felony and the victim defends himself the criminal does not have a right to kill his victim. That's simply an insane point of view. If it were true then anyone could bust down your door and if you resisted they could kill you on the spot no questions asked. That's not how it works. The individual who has initiated the aggression (in this case Zimmerman) has no right to kill someone who is defending himself against the threat of felonious acts.
How can you possibly not understand that?
To justify the use of deadly force, you need to be protecting yourself or another innocent victim from the threat of imminent death or great bodily harm. Should Zimmerman have backed down when instructed by the police? Yes. But by continuing to pursue, was Martin put under threat of imminent death or bodily harm? No. Racial profiling, following someone and harassing them doesn't quite meet the criteria. Martin was justified to respond to Zimmerman (as I previously stated), but not with deadly force...which I would argue pounding someone's head on the pavement qualifies as. Now, if Zimmerman had his gun drawn while pursuing Martin, then yes, you would be correct, but based on the accounts I've heard, this is not how it went down. Martin's response was excessive, constituted an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to Zimmerman, and he responded in kind.
That's how I possibly understand that.
What part of "the author of the Stand Your Ground Law said that Martin had a right to defend himself against the Zimmerman's threats" don't you understand? No one knows the intent of the law better than the author of the law. But you continue to insist that you know better. Just keep hoping that a liberal activist Judge will reinterpret the law so your Democrat buddy Zimmerman goes free. I'll stick with rule of law according to the stated intent of the law.
BAXLEY: Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.
If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.
If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.
If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.
You should re-read your own post a few places higher on this thread - hint: it's the part you chose not to bold regarding the use of force, EXCEPT the use of deadly force to defend one's self against unlawful force by another. You then go on to quote and bold exactly what I said, which is not my opinion but rather well established precedent, regarding the necessary factors to justify the use of deadly force. The author you keep quoting opined that the law did not grant Zimmerman the right to pursue Martin, I agree with that, but there is no disputing Zimmerman's actions did not allow Martin the use of deadly force (again, go back and read what you yourself posted above).
As for the rest of your comment (liberal judge, democrat buddy, etc.)...I'm speechless. You are either a troll that coaxed me into your lair, or you are an authentic idiot.
You didn't read the entire quote:
a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;
You can hate the white Republicans who wrote the law and who have said that Zimmerman ran afoul of it while Martin had a legal right to defend himself. Your career as an Democrat activist will thrive as long as you continue to ignore the rule of law and the right of the innocent to defend themselves against armed thugs. It's been fun chatting with you, Mr. Bloomberg.
Would you mind tellling us PRECISELY what 'felony' GZ threatend TM with? I'll wait
Zimmerman chased Martin, cornered him, refused to explain his actions when asked and then reached for something in his jacket. Any reasonable person would consider those actions to be a prelude to robbery, perversion or worse. But you tell me what you would do if a stranger chased you down the street, cornered you, refused to explain their actions and reached for something. I'll wait.
In the meantime all the murderers and rapists in the world will be happy to know that there are folks like you who believe that self defense is not an option until your assailant actually rapes or murders you. Enjoy your sitting duck status.
Here's the relevant portion of that nasty old Stand Your Ground Law written by evil Republicans. Better get your Democrat activist buddies busy and get that law repealed. The criminal class will rest much easier and that ought to make you proud.
2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
My only wish is that all the non-black Trayvon-lovers be forced to live with their beloved Trayvons, forever.
You're quite the authoritarian aren't you? Just another Democrat activist for forced busing, I suppose.
Quite the opposite. I think that all people should be free to choose who they do or DON'T want to associate with. In other words, if I want to avoid blacks, I should be allowed under the law. Pretty clear who has a problem with that arrangement.
You just said that I should be forced to live with black people and then you backpedal. We can read you know.
If Zimmerman didn't want be around black people why did he voluntarily move into a neighborhood with black people? Why did he enjoy chasing black people if he didn't want to be near them?
Why do you believe that the white Republicans who wrote the Stand Your Ground Law and who said that it gave Martin a right to defend himself are trying to force you to live with black people?
Crockett,
My brother (if not in skin color, in spirit) you forget Sherman Ware. Zimmerman is not a racist, never has been. Don't go for the race bait trap.
I will say no more, outside of the fact its manslaughter, not second degree murder...there was no intent, no ongoing relationship between them (they didn't know each other) an impartial jury cannot convict murder two under those conditions.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/87840105/Zimmerman-Letter-to-Sanford-Churches
One thing I have not researched is the standard for second degree murder in Florida. I'd be more than happy with a manslaughter conviction against Zimmerman.
Trayvon Martin --did have a right to defend himself against the assailant Zimmerman with deadly force.
There is no right to use deadly force if someone follows you, you lying peice of shit.
Wrong again, my moronic opponent. Why do you hate the rule of law so much? Why do you believe that a criminal has a right to kill their victim if the victim takes steps to defend themselves?
2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[22]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
The authors of that law have stated that Martin had a right to use such force in self defense against Zimmerman. Try really hard to understand what is being said here:
BAXLEY: Well, simply because if you carefully read the statute, which most of the critics have not, and read the legislative analysis, there's nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue or confront other people. If anything, this law would have protected the victim in this case; it could have.
Wrong again, my moronic opponent. Why do you hate the rule of law so much? Why do you believe that a criminal has a right to kill their victim if the victim takes steps to defend themselves?
Where did I say that? I do NOT believe criminals can shoot anyone unless it is in self-defense while not committing a crime.
Shit, you can read and und3erstand what I have repeatedly stated and you call me a mron? lol, irony abounds.
You mean this hispanic dude with the Nazi sounding name...
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/22620376/george-zimmerman-trial-eight-needed-for
DaddyO
Watch out! The Neo-nazi's Spying on Americans (NSA) is monitoring this thread.
I for one applaud the slashing of police budgets. I've had it seeing brand new police cruisers with the 20k integrated light shows and all the other fancy shit. Lean times force governments to actually make choices rather than just spend out the ass.
They should come up with another slogan btw, glocks are crap.
Glock serve just fine if you do your part. The quality of the firearm doesn't matter if the target still dies.
I trust an Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle to keep the peace any day of the week.
You'll shoot your eye out!
...with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time
9mm? Really?
I'd rather put 10 x.22l from my Hammerli in a grapefruit than 20 x 9mm in a barn door, thank you very much
.22 is small but it still probably hurts like a motherfuck
they just don't look as cool on the big screen as a Glock piece of shit
.22 is sufficient for all you 9mm vs. .40 vs. .45 jerkholios
and yes, my .45 handles very nicely thank you very much
but my .22 puts the holes where I look and that is that about that
I carry an XD40. I use the same ammo the local PD's use as well. ;-)
Shot placement is what matters. A .454 Casull is useless if you can't hit a barn door with it. And it's irresponsible to carry something you can't shoot accurately.
I say go with the largest caliber you can consistently hit your target with and enjoy shooting. For some people that's a .45ACP, for others it's a .22.
And for some its .177!
Thank you. It's remarkable that people don't understand this, well not really given the stupidity of people...
It all boils down to shot placement. I know a corp-man who has seen it all. Guys dying from 0.22 shots to the chest, guys shot with 0.50 and living.
Pick a gun and caliber that you can shoot effectively within your budget. Practice is key. Modern bullet design has rendered most caliber debates useless.
0.45 vs. 9mm vs. ?? is so stupid.
I agree with jimmy. My primary HD arm is a 22 wmr semiauto carbine with red dot and Kidd two stage. Repeatable shot to shot accuracy is less than a quarter size anywhere on the property. 22 wmr has nearly the same energy as a 9 mm acp, but the accuracy trumps everything.
In my town the po-po's have brand new Chargers with the fancy rims; and shiny new Kawasaki motorcycles with all the bling.
It seems like they buy new one's every year.
Then they advertise in the paper for new recruits at $29K/year to start; they churn through the young macho idealists pretty fast too.
The FN Herstal FNS-9 is a fine firearm: http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/commercial/handguns/fns/fns-9/
fn 5.7 would tickle hell out of an armor wearing protagonist
Glocks are great. Most people can't come close to shooting as good as the weapon.
sigs are better. and more accurate, and more reliable
X Series. Made in Germany. 4 moa@ 100yds. All day long............
Glock Blocks vs Sig Digs...makes little difference. Both are great guns.
Glocks are fine firearms, the only flaw they have is that they aren't rifles.
sigs make damn fine rifles too. course i like the hk 91 myself, for a short range rifle.
HK MR556 - very effective from 0-400 yards with a 1x4 scope, especially with ballistic tipped JHP.
and its probaly a all or nothing, die or walk, but you will not have a beating laid on you for resisting arrest, or giving a bad stare.
America - land of the totally fucked up.
I love the fact that the woman wanted to "shoot dat mutha fuka down", cuz he stolen her lawn statue........LOL.
What if it was her life savings? How about "just" $20,000? Where do you draw the line? Please post a sign on your lawn advising just how much a mutha fuka can steal from you (per day?) with no repercussions.
I hope that people actually are trying to organize independently, remember it paints a target on your back, not that that's always a bad thing in some situations.
I'd have your back if able coy.
They should hire illegals to protect us. It'd be cheaper, and will help them achieve their "sueño americano"
Welcome to the Burbclades
LOL, WB, I was thinking Suburbiators for a descriptive term. Who wants to bet that they have no idea how to even clean their Glocks much less clean up the trigger and sear burrs?
William Banzai, this thread spooks me (the sun is going down in Concord CA as I type) and I recall sitting at a Kowloon harbor restaurant looking out over the bay and eating duck, just last month.
This is an 'American thang' or more like an 'Americas thang'. HK is a playground by comparison. Well-behaved teenagers; or am I naive? Do tell.
It feels a little Wild West when you get across to Shenzhen, but nowhere with the possible exception of Phnom Penh at midnight in 2000 have I felt the tension we have out here in CoCo County.
The fatass police will roll up when it damn well suits them.
This House is protected by God & Guns.. If you come in unwelcome, you might meet both! pic.twitter.com/bucjD2CyU6
I own four Glocks, 9mm, two 40 cals, one 45. Come and get it BITCHEZ!
Disclaimer: NSA if you are reading this yes I do legally own these guns and yes you can GO FCK OFF!
Statistically, aren't crime rates (property, violent, you name it) all down from their most recent peak in the early 90's?
Detroit, Atlanta, and Oakland are hardly representative of the US as a whole. There's some sort of sampling bias there, although I can't quite put a finger on what it is.
I have to agree. Small sample set.
Yes they are. However they're up compared to just a couple years ago, especially in shithole cities with no fiscal management.
As an earlier article hinted... as Detroit goes, so will much of the country when the freshly printed gravy train ends, though I do suspect that local demographics will play a huge part in the outcomes. I just don't see Sioux Falls, SD winding up in the same place as East St. Louis, MO when the cash stops flowing.
Find me a city with a large concentration of Africans and I will show you rampant crime. Prove me wrong. Prove me anything but 100% correct.
I've only ever been held at gunpoint by white folks.
I've been held at gunpoint by one black and one Mexican. What's your point?
That condemning an entire race for the acts of specific individuals is not real bright.
Yeah, let's ignore the fact that 10% of the population is responsible for 90% of the violent crime. Pretty obvious whose racial interest that nonsense is in.
Let's just ignore the fact that that has absolutely nothing to do with the case we've been discussing. The Sanford cops said that Martin didn't do anything illegal the night he was killed. That is relevant, what some other individuals with a skin tone similar to Martin may or may not have done is irreverent.
On March 13, 2012, Chris Serino sent a capias request to the state's attorney asking for George Zimmerman to be charged with manslaughter.[172][173] Serino stated in the request that "the encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and waited the arrival of law enforcement or conversely if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog (sic) in an effort to dispel each party's concern". "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."[174] The state attorney's office initially did not act on the request for an arrest warrant.[173]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin#cite_note-kcstar...
Agreed. Fact is that criminals tend to target their own ethnic groups among whom they do not stand out so much.
Fuck the Glocks, teach your woman to shoot an AK and properly edit propaganda at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBbEwTBAqSY
Not the best effort at first but after some ~inspirational words of encouragement~, the correct editing results were achieved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70K9TtKDLII
Does anyone have any spare copies of anything Keynes wrote for edit?
Agreed but over-penetration in An urban situation can be a very bad thing
Over-penetration is my favourite hyphenated word.
Who doesn't love a 'two for one' deal?
PS I am not urban or even urbane for that matter
.223 (from an AR or a .223 AK) generally has less penetration than even handgun rounds. I would agree that 7.62 x anything would be bad news in most dense areas.
ARs are close to the perfect home defense weapon IMO. 'cept for that loud "blammo" noise they make inside.
poodle shooters? don't you boys know about double-ought and slug? an intruder in the dark of night hearing the unmistakable sound of a round being racked usually doesn't even need to be shot. only problem is cleaning the shit-stains out of the carpet.
fuck that, my shotgun has one in the chamber and once they're actually in my house the only way they'll get to hear me rack a round is if the first one doesn't put them down or they have an accomplice. i am proud to live in a state where my home is considered sacrosanct.
100% bullshit.
A rifle round has far more penetration than a handgun. Just ask yourself why bullet-proof vests will stop a 0.45, but not a .223.
Get a clue - it's the physics.
Glocks are for personal and home defense. AKs and ARs are good here too.
AKs and ARs are for Constitutional and rights defense.Glocks are good here as well.
To all those arguing for shotguns, or ARs, or .308s, or buckshot, or slugs, or Glocks, or 1911s, or Sigs...
I say yes. To all of them. One is none.
Backed up with actual training in a good martial art and reinforced by blade training.
And these days, you can get us girls what ever color AR we like so we can look fashionable while we practice at the range. www.lockestone.com
That's nearly four years californiagirl. Mr's M is a Momma of course and I doubt she much cares to get to carried away. Although, I must say.... Sorry, I can't anymore, because after over 15 years on the interwebs, I have only just now started to care about what I have said via electronic communications because I just finally heard that the NSA was spying on us. And here the whole time.... I had hoped so.
Taught my niece how to handle a rifle a couple of months ago; she's now bugging her dad to buy a pink 'Hello Kitty'-style AR for her. Just adorable.
Ram-A-Mule
Well Mrs Tolonen -
The only person faster than the black dude running off with your statue was his brother running off with my leaf blower.
That's pronounced "brutha"
If you have to ask for permission...
"This was the last straw for Tolonen, who decided to take a class to get her concealed carry permit."
Also glocks are great until you shoot one, experience the 'benefits' of an unsupported chamber (Ill leave the poly barrel shit alone) and the slide breaks free after firing and comes back at your face.
[shrug] Put a few thousand rounds through my Glock 23, still goes bang and only the pieces I expect to separate from the firearm come out the end of the barrel and the ejection port.
That is such a gen 1 comment.....
We were given kimbers....and traded them back in as they are too tight to function dirty.
Kimbers have a long break in period. Not my cup of tea though.
glock no matter the gen still has the issues I listed (I see it weekly) and to say kimbers are 'too tight' (they build a terrible fucking gun, I see more fuckups from them than something built in the Phillipines) shows 1911 building ignorance. They claim to make custom guns but they are custom like a special edition accord. Other than saturday night specials I cant think of a gun shittier than kimber, Id rather shoot a glock.
Well, SCOTUS did in fact rule that "the cops" are not obligated to protect the peasants. Besides, they're too busy groping people, tazing disabled people and shooting Irish Setters. Oh, Revenue generation / speeding tickets too. But keep voting, it's good that you consent to your own abuse.
That's correct. And yet citizens are obligated to keep paying them by way of property and other local taxes. Pretty much a one way street isn't it? Oh yeah, and funding their pension programs that allow them to get more in retirement than while they are working.
Of course we must cut back.. The muslim brotherhood does not fund itself & The Obama's must vacation..
These types of stories and scenarios are the prelude to the changes we will undergo as more and more the government finds itself unable to meet the commitments it has made to its citizens and employees. Per the article on Detroit, 40% of the budget is for “legacy costs”, pensions and retiree benefits. This is happening everywhere. Gold plated benefits for retired government workers will be the sacred cow.
One observes pontification about how all this government insanity is unsustainable and will eventually crash and out of the rubble a new paradigm will emerge that will be great!
http://www.amazon.com/The-Near-Going-Awesome-ebook/dp/B009NF6CGY
This ignores the idea that our government will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to maintain the status quo and secure their cheese. The economic pain they will heap on the electorate will be enormous before this is all complete, confiscation of assets in some form is not that far away. They will not release their power quietly. Call me crazy, which many do.
For that reason it is way too early to be talking about the light at the end of the tunnel, because we have yet to enter the tunnel. How this ends depends very much on how it goes down. Extreme centralized power does not release this power easily or voluntarily. Chaos will reign a long time before sanity is restored.
sschu
These types.!? You're livin it Brotha!
You're livin it Brotha!
Yes, we are. The thing is many of us are still insulated from what is to come, but we are being de-sensitized to the chaos. Buying Glocks, stocking some food, gold, etc will help.
sschu
+1 to both of you. Here are 15 types more who shall be precluded from legally owning guns in the future. Reported by MW no less.
WTF
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/15-new-mental-illnesses-in-the-dsm-5-2013-05-22
Edit: But who will all still be allowed to have a dozen credit cards with 10K limits.
How the fuck is sleep apnea and restless leg syndrome a "mental illness"?
IR. These people against us are the mentally ill ones. The next batch if mental illnesses will include "thinking ahead" and hoarding...never mind they got that one already. You and I both know that this is where they are going with this. It does not matter if you are CT boy or I am a MN/WI boy. Our cultures do not matter to them at all. Russia?
If the people have to do the policing themselves - which BTW I think they can do much better instead of fat ass government employees alongwith many other tasks - at least get rid of the fucking taxes while we're at it.
But then who will pay the pensions of the police that retired at 40!
I agree, though. Go back to the old ways of a county sheriff and a few deputies to handle the aftermath and the handful of real crimes, and let people DIY.
The United States of (delinquent retards) is laughable at best!
A society on the verge of collapse. Last I heard, this type of shit was happening in some allegedly "third-world" (euphemism for "slave") countries. The master is going to join the slaves. Can you imagine what the slaves will do to the master should they get ahold of him?
Make sure to clean them up once in a while too. 1911's are different on disassembly but not to a large degree. Putting them back together is the bitch sometimes and especially so the first time one attempts it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3TdaCGcmn0
Here's a point that many people are missing. What percentage of police calls are in response to a crime that has already occurred versus actually preventing a crime? I asked this of a local LEO and he said - "probably over 95% are in response of a crime." Okay, so what good are the police really? As I see it people have to take responsibility for their own protection and if that means working together in neighborhoods so be it.
"Over 95%" is optimistic. It's probably closer to 99%.
Cops are there to clean up the mess and bring the perpetrators to justice after the fact of the crime.
That, and write traffic tickets.
They are "law enforcement", not "crime prevention". In fact, multiple courts (including no less than the SCOTUS) have ruled that the police have no duty to protect us or prevent crimes from occuring, Buckaroo Banzai is correct in that they function as clean up and prosecutorial enforcement.
Vigilantism is OK until it's aimed at the Fed. govt.
It's terrorism if it goes against the police state....
For our own good, mind you....
Quit Kidding yourself. Criminals know the difference! Pull your head out !
Eventually people realise that the sooner there is micro-management of problems by individuals and small communities, the sooner they will realise that government is not the solution for all our problems and all our needs.
When people take responsibility for their own welfare and safety, they become more responsible and more cost conscious.
Sometimes governments just need to wake up to themselves like they are doing now in Australia where police have discovered that alcohol related crime takes up 60-70% of their time and are now pushing for the drinking age to be raised to 21 from 18.
When crime incidence starts to spiral downwards a community realises that there are more than enough resources in this world if they are not wasted on over policing, fixing vandalism, jailing people etc etc etc.
PP your post contradicts itself.
"Eventually people realise that the sooner there is micro-management of problems by individuals and small communities". What are small communities? What do they consist of?
"the sooner they will realise that government is not the solution for all our problems and all our needs." How so? Through central banking policies? Most people do not realize jack shit about finance and simply drool out of one corner of their mouth or the other whilst either hand is out asking for some more free shit or to excuse their debt.
"When people take responsibility for their own welfare and safety, they become more responsible and more cost conscious." Have any recent examples that are not the exception that you wish to share with us?
Sometimes governments just need to wake up to themselves like they are doing now in Australia. NO THEY AREN'T AND THEY WON'T.
"where police have discovered that alcohol related crime takes up 60-70% of their time and are now pushing for the drinking age to be raised to 21 from 18." Why is this the case? Did the Australian police, the world renowned scientific researchers that they must be, ever find out any reason for the cause of this? Have the results been reproducible in any experiments?
"When crime incidence starts to spiral downwards a community realises that there are more than enough resources in this world if they are not wasted on over policing, fixing vandalism, jailing people etc etc etc."
What? I severely doubt that any community, besides perhaps an online one, has ever found that to be true etc, etc, etc.
in Oregon not Texas!
I wonder what the Californian's will call their Glock Blocks?
East LA or El Barrio.
Dream streets!
Police officers are delusional morons for hire! Ocassionally you meet a good law enforcement officer.
I can't agree. Remember Abner Louma? Every officer - every single officer - in that precinct knew exactly what was going on, and not a single one spoke up.
Remember Frank Serpico?
While I might concede that some LEO may not be through and through sick, sadistic pricks, even so, they all - every one of them - put their own interests (pensions) ahead of everything else.
The Detroitification of America
Well, do I feel Lucky. Well do ya, Punk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-oinyjsk0
Massive movements in population are occurring ...immigrants from all over --not only from our neighbors Canada & Mexico but also Iraq, Sandwichstan and so on -- coming in and many American themselves are moving all around so there is less and less of what we call, "a community" anymore. This causes significant maladjustments and shifts with much higher crime, etc.
I think it will get worse.
it will. I am moving myself away from CT in a month.
IR, +1 bro. I missed if you finally got your place sold. I have a showing on mine tomorrow and I managed to find out who the buyer might be. I did some background checks and I am not even NSA. Looks like this guy and his wife are in their in their late-fifties and got screwed on an HOA foreclosure. There were others who were foreclosed on at around the same time from the same HOA. It's pretty interesting to note who the defendants were in the case. Thoughts on what might have happened in this case?
I have to play the initial offer if I get one. Being an informed seller is just as important as being an informed buyer IMHO.
"Thoughts on what might have happened in this case"?
My guess would be they ran afoul of HOA bylaws and then HOA started stacking legal fees on them that were insurmountable to pay pissing off homeowner where they stopped paying mortgage leading to the foreclosure.
HOA mgmt. is just like Gestapo- Control freaks.
Thanks for that info James. That would follow. Seems like they were not the only ones to do so either. If the guy was semi-retired already and living where he was... I noted that HOA changed their legal entity name as well to a degree.
I prefer HP .22 cal. for the ones that run away...
So funny to hear them scream with each impact.
A .45 cal. is 1 and you're done. No fun.
Plus 100 for somebody smart enough to cherish the ol' .22
Cheap and cheerful, and relatively quiet.
No need to disturb the neighbours when taking care of business.
I too like the .22. With the soft lead round nose, kinda hard to get any type of circumstantial pre crime stuff.
Do you actually think that the police are on YOUR side??? Most of them douche bags are aligned with the narco-militia criminal gangs.... And the UNIONS another criminal outfit.
Mossberg 500 Tactical and 1 ounce slugs. Now, THAT'S impact.
Yeah make no mistake about it. There is no reason why police should do policing. It can be done better and cheaper by hired security. The thing about private security, is that they answer to you, the revenue source. Imagine you hired a private security firm, and the guys starts trying to write you a ticket for some pre-crime like speeding. You would say, "You're fired" faster than Bob's your uncle. And it would stick. I dare you to try to get one of your local Police fired. They can grope, insult, beat up, and murder (not to mention steal) and they absolutely will not get fired. No way.
Now that's freedom.
It's funny how everything that libertarians say keeps getting verified by...facts.
The police don't need you and man they expect the same.
I think that is similar to something down on Rue Morgue Avenue by Dylan.
Glock block,give me a break.Don't advertise your buisness or intentions.
Guns are bad. It is better to be raped, beaten and left for dead than to commit murder. Obama will save us, we might just need to give him a third chance. The NSA needs more funding in order to prosecute pre-crimes efficiently. If banning guns would save one child's life it would be worth it.
And if more than ten of you are killed at once, they'll create a ribbon for you and the media won't fucking stop talking about it for months and months. You'll be famous! And, your relatives will go on the payroll of nice people like Mike Bloomberg in order to do legislative outreach work!
It's a win-win-win!
Yes. Such are the many sacrafices made to keep Amerca safe from evil guns.