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NSA Foiled NYSE Terrorist Plot, We Now Learn

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To think it only took the world's most (in)famous whistleblower to get the NSA to disclose that it had heroically managed to prevent terrorist attacks involving the New York Stock Exchange (we supposed they refer to the Manhattan-based TV studio and not the actual exchange where the servers are now housed in Mahwah, NJ) and the NY Subway. Because whereas there was a time in the past when the various US secret services would scurry at the opportunity to disclose their expertise to the general public, now it is a false negative that is supposed to disprove a positive (pervasive spying on the US population is good for you because...). Of course it takes one non-false positive to disprove a false negative, namely the Boston Bombers, who as far as we recall, used cell phones to communicate. But so much for details: now please praise the NSA, and also comply with the Administration's push to rescind the second amendment. Or is Obama no longer pushing for "arms control"?

From NBC:

National Security Agency surveillance programs helped disrupt plots to bomb the New York Stock Exchange and the New York subway system, an FBI official told Congress on Tuesday.


The official, Deputy Director Sean Joyce, said that the programs also linked an American citizen in Chicago to the 2008 terror attacks on hotels in India and to a plot to bomb the offices of a Danish newspaper that published a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad.


Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director, told the committee that the programs had helped stop more than 50 “potential terrorist events” since the Sept. 11 attacks. He said he would provide classified details of all of them to the committee Wednesday.


“I would much rather be here today debating this point than trying to explain how we failed to prevent another 9/11,” Alexander said.
Joyce gave limited details on the foiled plots. In the stock exchange plot, he said, the NSA monitored an extremist in Yemen who was in contact with an operative in the United States.


In the subway plot, he said, the NSA intercepted an email from a terrorist in Pakistan in 2009 who was talking with someone in the United States about perfecting a recipe for explosives. He said that person turned out to be Najibullah Zazi, who later pleaded guilty in the plot and is in federal prison.


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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:00 | 3668334 buzzsaw99
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No way in fuck that I believe those maggots prevented anything.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:04 | 3668364 Skateboarder
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"We will release their names and their favorite type of ice cream, as we believe that will lend credibility to our case."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3668405 icanhasbailout
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We of course still don't have a credible explanation of how the original 9/11 happened, which makes discussion of how to prevent another one an exercise in denial and deception.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:13 | 3668419 The Juggernaut
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"Can the federal government take credit for saving us from a plot of its own creation?  Has the federal government kept us safe or does it just want us to think it has kept us safe?  17 out of the 20 plots to kill Americans in the past 10 years have been interrupted by the Feds — because they were created by the Feds. The other three attempted attacks were stopped by diligent Americans."  - Judge Andrew Napolitano

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:18 | 3668463 QE4eva
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Beat me to it.  Only plots they are foiling are their own.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:44 | 3668567 Pinto Currency
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We all need a quick clear test of when Al Qaeda is a friend (Libya, Syria, etc.) and when it is an enemy (Europe, USA, UK, Canada) etc. 

Western financing and aiding of these terrorists is getting confusing.

Israel is supporting the Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria with medical treatment:

Can we imagine all of Israel's neighbours as failed states with Israel, NATO, and America in a perpetual state of war with brown people?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:48 | 3668599 Beam Me Up Scotty
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And how do we prove otherwise?  We have to just take them at their word?  Where is the proof that you prevented shit?  Just because you say it doesn't mean it even happened.  Also, just because you interdict two people talking about something that they may never have ever even carried out, doesn't mean you stopped shit either.  Talk is cheap. 

Boston was a case in point.  If they have the ability to stop anything, then why not that event?  And if they don't have the ability to stop everything, then why are they monitoring everything?  Its all so much bullshit.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:56 | 3668629 knukles
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Even Bill Ayres says Obie is a war criminal

How's that for loosing your base?
Great shit I tell ya, just fucking great

And all this happening right in the midst of the Greatest Recovery Ever!

Cramer's pushing his Wank-O-Matic skin flapping sound button

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:00 | 3668651 espirit
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Sooo... Now we now know that it was the NSA that scorched the shorts.

Seems half of us are terrorists, lol.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:31 | 3668771 12ToothAssassin
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WHAT?? Now they are PROTECTING the terrorists inside the NYSE?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:39 | 3668809 eclectic syncretist
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If they were going to stop a terrorist plot at the NYSE a lot of banksters would be imprisoned by now, so this guy is full of shit with zero credibility.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:55 | 3669080 negative rates
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Bang Bang, you are dead, fifty more stories, in your head.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:05 | 3669112 Manthong
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A 13 year old kid was arrested for wearing an NRA “Protect Your Rights” T-Shirt at school.

Tell me where the terrorists and threat to the US are nowadays.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:27 | 3669152 kralizec
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I'll take "Federal Government" for $500, Alex.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:29 | 3669158 Colonel Klink
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Stock exchange and subway, it sounds to me like all they need to monitor is New Israel.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:33 | 3669162 DosZap
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A 13 year old kid was arrested for wearing an NRA “Protect Your Rights” T-Shirt at school.

Tell me where the terrorists and threat to the US are nowadays.


YEPPERS, and NOW he is facing a year in JAIL for speaking to the Officer after being told to shut up.

He came back after the suspension with the same T SHIRT ON, and MANY other students were wearing same or similar T's and shirts in support.

There is NO school policy on wearing this type of T shirt.

The Dad said I always believe in fighting, and my son does too,we will take this all the way.THe kid did nothing wrong............nada.

Cop was in the wrong.SHould have never gone this far.

INSANITY reigns on the Obummmer Watch.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:33 | 3669319 DaveyJones
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I often tell my wife that staying married, I have saved her from at least one hundred bad dates.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:53 | 3668855 cougar_w
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Actually no they are not quite managing that:

In which the charming but slightly deranged Fortran (of HFT fame) beats the crap out of the NYSE.

Contains violence, combustion, nudity, adult language, thinly veiled death threats, breaking and entering, nudity, appeals to God, cyber crime, attempts at humour at the expense of the church, proposed cannibalism, and blonde jokes. Contains a great deal of nudity actually.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:06 | 3668913 mkhs
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But are there pictures?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:21 | 3668952 blu
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<-------- just because you asked

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:05 | 3669111 mkhs
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I don't see the nudity part.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:06 | 3668914 dcohen
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He said he is "charming" and that he "reads".

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:20 | 3669294 Freddie
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Ayres is just mad because O has not sent us to the gas chambers yet. 

+10- For the Cramer Wank-O_Matic sound button. LOL!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:01 | 3668649 TruthInSunshine
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I watched about 30 seconds of the canned B.S. and found it severely lacking in the necessary drama that tends to convince the sheeple as to why the all knowing-all seeing-all the time security apparatchiks are necessary.

It scored a lowly 8% on the Rotten Tomatoes TOMATOMETER.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:16 | 3668721 SamAdams
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"If you can't trust the government, we are going to have a problem" - Obomba


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:19 | 3668964 Paveway IV
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FEMA has the solution - the final solution - ready for citizens and DHS will escort you to the Freedom Train. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:26 | 3669145 Quisat_Sadarak
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Now if the can get the smokeless tobacco people to make smokeless Freedom Ovens...


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:18 | 3669284 Ying-Yang
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Could the smokeless Freedom Ovens also be carbon neutral?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:36 | 3669169 Winston Churchill
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The FISA court secretly changed the acronym to DHSS, and the TSA got shortened

to the SA.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:38 | 3669332 Black Swan 9
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The bought, owned & controlled (all deliberately) Fourth Estate is the problem, obviously. No checks & balances without truly independent media.

The media conglomerates need to be broken up into a thousands pieces..

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:29 | 3668498 Randall Cabot
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The more I look at the Boston Marathon photos the more I am convinced it was fake. Here is one aspect of it that I have been trying to make sense of: in some photos and vids the spindle on the black railing is broken and in others it is fixed. Were some shots taken in a rehearsal before the blast? Were some shots photoshopped?

Spindle broken seconds after blast with blue shirt guy and pink hat girl standing there:

Spindle fixed as blue shirt guy and pink hat girl walk past:

Spindle fixed (this is seconds before above photos was taken):

Maybe minutes after above shots taken, spindle fixed:

Aftermath spindle broken, bench broken (scroll down from photo #100 to #84):

Aftermath spindle broken:

Here is a very credible site questioning the Boston event:


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:51 | 3668613 Poundsand
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It wasn't fixed, it's the angle.  While there are issues with the bombing, being fake was not one of them. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:18 | 3668956 Randall Cabot
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You should spend some time on this site then maybe you won't be so sure about that:

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:46 | 3669053 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I'm sorry, but that entire site is a load of sh*t. It is 100% speculation and statements like "that doesn't look like the guy/a normal blood pattern/a real leg" etc. The circumstances surrounding the bombing are suspicious, but I don't think anyone can credibly say that no bomb went off and no one was injured.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:53 | 3669076 Randall Cabot
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You obviously didn't spend much time at that site because he doesn't say a bomb didn't go off and he doesn't say no one was injured so please read what you are commenting on so you don't look stupid.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:04 | 3669108 john39
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most of these events are faked now, including the so called muslim beheading in london last month.  you will of course will get trolled hard for saying it...  because the sheeple must believe that these events happened.  they don't care if people think the government was involved... but they very much care that you believe it happened...   what a joke.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:49 | 3669349 Black Swan 9
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There has been long speculation of CIA/Mossad behind the beheadings of Daniel Pearl & Nick Berg, too. Black psyops, as grotesque as they get, to prime us to believe the future false narrative of Muslim extremists, 9/11, etc..

Good people gave a hard time believing bad people could be this evil. But as I read here so often on ZH, 'think like a criminal'..

And always ask "cui bono?"

Edit: have* (not gave)

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:34 | 3668747 Randall Cabot
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Here is the shot of the broken spindle/broken bench:

Aftermath spindle broken, bench broken (scroll down from photo #100 to #84):


And here is another one where the spindle is broken, if you maximize the shot you can see the girl's hair thru the broken spindle:

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:39 | 3668804 55 men
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I question the BB as well but the image is just a poor angel. In the first image you can see the color of the pine 3/4 of the way down the spindle. Telling me there is a break. When you go to image 4 you can see that the lower 1/4 of the spindle has broken but is still attached to the bottom rail and it has been bent straight back. Even in image 5 you can see the lower part of the spindle bent back. From an above angle it will look like a full spindle

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:11 | 3668881 Randall Cabot
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It definitely is broken and not fixed in some shots and in both the broken shots (this one anyway )

 and the fixed shots you can see the white non-painted wood at the point of the fracture on the upper piece.

In the fixed shots it looks like the lower broken piece has been put back in line with the straight upper piece and held together with a piece of duct tape or gray colored wood or metal. Are you not seeing the gray material holding the pieces together in the fixed shots?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:24 | 3668500 max2205
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Kinda like "saved OR created 100 million jobs"

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:27 | 3668514 ParkAveFlasher
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"In our experience, we can't possibly prevent an attack that we ourselves did not first create.  We tried that, it's very difficult."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:55 | 3668627 Buckaroo Banzai
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"We of course still don't have a credible explanation of how the original 9/11 happened, which makes discussion of how to prevent another one an exercise in denial and deception."

Not to mention Sandy Hook. Or the Aurora theater "Batman" shooting. Or the Arizona shooting. Or even Boston, really.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:12 | 3668406 The Juggernaut
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Fuck Keith Alexander!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:23 | 3668489 rubiconsolutions
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This guy is a general officer in the U.S. Army. What in the hell is he doing working for an agency, leading an agency that makes it a routine matter to violate the oath he took? They swear this oath to protect America from all enemies foreign and domestic yet as it turns out they are the enemy themselves. This just goes to underscore the fact that even the military cannot be trusted at any level to protect the civil liberties of Americans. The constitution and bill of rights means nothing to these clowns.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:44 | 3668588 XitSam
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Just like anybody's holy scripture can be twisted, the meaning of the oath can be twisted to fit whatever ends are needed. I'll bet he thinks he is upholding his oath.  In general, the higher the rank, civilian or military, the less connected to their oath they become.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:05 | 3668674 espirit
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If you ever took the short side of a centrally planned eCONomy,

that makes you a terrorist.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:53 | 3668602 Umh
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For all practical purposes generals and admirals are political appointees. The only other criteria is that they be a colonel or captain first.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:36 | 3669023 pods
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Well technically being IN the army is unconstitutional, as the constitution never authorized a standing army, merely the raising of one.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:54 | 3669367 Black Swan 9
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There are white hats within the military fighting these black hats.. Like with every group, not all are bad.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:26 | 3668512 Political_Savage
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Hello Sir/Madame,

I'm with the NSA and we are rolling out a new PR-friendly surveillance program that you have just qualified for.

You may begin to experience intermittent computer delays or static on phone calls for an undisclosed period of time. Don't worry, it is now our policy to ignore the law and boldly/proudly inform our targets of our intentions; however unconstitutional they may be.

Please feel free to continue your life as normal. You may hear from us should our perception of your intentions change.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:34 | 3669164 disabledvet
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they say we're gray for a reason. "that takes care of the false positives that's fer sure." now we just need to move beyond Larry Ellison's "am i who i say i am" to "am i WHAT i say i am."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3668414 true brain
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So what, the constitution is still the constitution. NSA is still breaking the law. How do you talk to these dumb assholes and Odummer about law theory? It's hopeless. It's like talking to Paris Hilton about quantum physic. 


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:23 | 3668495 Al Huxley
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The problem is THEY know what they're doing.  The question you need to ask is how do you get the fucking cattle that make up the general population to stop their fucking grazing and shopping, wake the fuck up, and force something to happen.  But the problem with that is that you're dealing with fucking cattle - perfectly happy right now slopping in the feedlot, the only time you'll get any reaction from them is on the ramp up to the slaughterhouse, and even then it will just be fear and panic, nothing dangerous to the slaughterhouse owners.


Short answer, we're all fucked, TPTB know we're fucked, and there's nothing we can do about it. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:42 | 3668823 franzpick
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The good news is that those of us who remember 3 commercial paper market failures, Penn central 1970, Mercury Finance 1997 and the 2008 Lehman money-market break, as well as the many federal/taxpayer bailouts of other private ma$$ive misadventures such as Long Term Capital, know that the magnitude of the decades long fed/administration-sponsored credit binge is so much greater now than then that the next loss-of-confidence credit event will be TBTB - too big to bail, and should be the beginning of the end of overgrown, bloated, wasteful, corrupt and now politically-utilized GoBombEm base-building intimidation structures, and I for one can't wait to see these greedy, oppressive, non-constitutional hijackers of American liberty and national wealth-building independent spirit finally hit the wall.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:39 | 3669031 Spanky
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Well Al, I don't necessarily disagree, but... 

Think a well-placed idea, tossed out like a lifeline at the right moment...

You do think ideas can change the world, don't you?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:36 | 3668559 NotApplicable
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I'm sorry, but to me it looks as if you're the hopeless one.

Laws are merely "words on paper." They can change at any time and mean nothing. You seem to think they should work as a restraint, but as is clearly displayed, they are used as tools of obfuscation. How?

Well, instead of one arguing of the immorality of an act, the only conversation is of the legality of it. For them, if it's illegal, "Well, then by God, we need a new law!"

Real laws aren't written down, as they can be logically inferred from personal experience of how you wish to be treated in relation to others.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:46 | 3668592 true brain
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You should read Kantian philosophy and Schopenhauer philosophy. Some laws are derived a priori, not to be fucked with. The truly enlightened ones know that fucking with a priori laws means collapse of society and extinction.

My point stands. It's hopeless as we are now in the phase of bare knuckles combat. THe talking phase passed along time ago.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:53 | 3669075 Spanky
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Just my opinion, but let's enforce the Constitution at the ballot box, first, and see how they react...

Put this thing on the ballot and see if it hunts. If it does, it gives us the moral and Constitutional high ground. Might just give the boys (and girls) in blue and camo the Constitutional conscience to stand down if .gov *persisted* and did not step aside.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3668418 true brain
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So what, the constitution is still the constitution. NSA is still breaking the law. How do you talk to these dumb assholes and Odummer about law theory? It's hopeless. It's like talking to Paris Hilton about quantum physic. 


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:56 | 3669085 Totentänzerlied
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Your analogy is flawed. How do you talk to a constitutional scholar about the Constitution? Gee, maybe it's just totally irrelevant.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 17:57 | 3669491 Spanky
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Your're wrong.

Normative politics can beat these bastards. Don't let your ideology get in the way of doing something practical and useful. You just have to know how...

If you don't have any ideas other than a slugfest, why not ask -- you might be pleasantly surprized. Can't hurt anything, after all -- it's just talk.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 19:37 | 3669678 Spanky
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Thanks for the down vote w/o discussion. Apparently the only thing useful it accomplished, tho, was save your ego.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:13 | 3668424 macholatte
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it takes one non-false positive to disprove a false negative


That's what the doctor said ..... it was crabs.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:06 | 3668379 BLOTTO
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'NSA Foiled NYSE Terrorist Plot, We Now Learn'


Says who - Anderson Cooper?lol. what a joke.

How the fuck do we...does anyone...believe ANYTHING anymore? Seriously?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:12 | 3668412 Eternal Complainer
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You don't!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:21 | 3668481 I Am Not a Copp...
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The sheep do.  And that is all that matters.  Bitch all you want, but keep your profile low.  The sheep will turn on you someday.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:26 | 3668511 Al Huxley
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Sheep never turn on anyone or anything - they're fucking sheep.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:56 | 3669086 MagicHandPuppet
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I can see that point.  They might not be 'turning on you'.  But, they sure as hell will make you their enemy if they are told to by their manipulators.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:10 | 3669123 SimMaker
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"the sheep" will do what they always do when they get "angry". Shit on themselves and their own neighbourhoods.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:08 | 3668392 mjorden
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They probably did, but the question is one of necessity.  Was this 'required' to prevent whatever it is that they prevented.

Locking someone in a room is one way to make sure they don't drive, or you can just take away the keys.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:17 | 3668447 BLOTTO
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:31 | 3668536 NoTTD
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Freedom is Slavery.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:08 | 3668694 The Gooch
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"eat the lies and you will"

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:34 | 3668546 Lord Blankcheck
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and DHS has billions of bullets and thousands of tanks to protect us.....

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:13 | 3668421 Hippocratic Oaf
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Isn't the NYSE just a TV studio now?

Blow up Lies-man, Pissonme, Maria and MCC?


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:13 | 3668428 Midasking
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This whole police state is just going to get worse...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:16 | 3668446 nasdaq99
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Don't believe it>  We would have seen the PERP WALK all over tv if it was real.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:42 | 3668574 MarsInScorpio
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:57 | 3668637 Buckaroo Banzai
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The "dog that didn't bark"!!!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:17 | 3668451 QE4eva
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I'm having trouble believing it too, but then again even broken clocks are correct twice a day.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:47 | 3668594 MarsInScorpio
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We are not clocks, we are humans.


Clocks represent a physical reality; humans represent a metaphysical perception of reality.


Humans said for thousands of years that the Earth was flat. Never once in that thousands of years were they ever correct.


These Orwellian perverts are pathological liars, inspired by their psychotic socipathic personality.


They can live their entire lifetime telling you what ever they want to telll you, and never once be correct in what they tell you.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:30 | 3668531 Jdog
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Foil my AZZ, they are all in on it, so it's easy to pick and choose which one they wanted to bust to claim credit for.  Do they really think we are that stupid?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:40 | 3669034 pods
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If you are speaking of amerikans...................


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:01 | 3668654 Canadian Dirtlump
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they just need a few days to get their lies straight, and fables generated, then feinstein and rogers can come out and give an I told you so. Al quaeda is lurking around every corner ( in syria where we armed them ).

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:33 | 3668778 WillyGroper
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Let me give u one u can believe in.

NEVER AGAIN will u have even the faintest glimmer of privacy again.

They know when u scratch ur nads..

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:37 | 3668801 eclectic syncretist
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So now we begin to glimpse the truth about the Nationwide Spying on Americans (NSA) programs.  One easy solution is to conduct all possible transactions in cash.  That'll fuck them up more than email disclaimers and junk. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:42 | 3669040 pods
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I do that to fuck the banksters with their digital currency.  The fact I get a twofer is gravy.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:35 | 3668786 overbet
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The only reason any "terrorist" would want to attack US citizens is because of the US government. So we should be thankful that they are infringing on our rights to protect us from the consequences of their actions. Ahm hmmm obviously a thank you is in order.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:24 | 3669142 mayavision2012
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NSA/Joyce just put another big foot into their mouths...



NSA Disruption of Stock Exchange Bomb Plot Disputed

Wired Magazine


“Khalid Ouazzan was not involved in any plot to bomb the New York Stock Exchange,” Robin Fowler, the defendant’s defense attorney, said in a telephone interview.

Fowler declined to comment any further, including whether he would seek to reopen the case, given the government admitting that secret, and constitutionally suspect, methods were used to gain access to his phone records.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 19:07 | 3669633 auntiesocial
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and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling NSA and their stupid dog too!


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 20:02 | 3669768 mobtown
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If they really want to protect the united states, they should let the terrorists blow up wall street.  FUCK YOU NSA COME AND GET ME YOU MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKERS.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:00 | 3668335 Overfed
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Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668363 bank guy in Brussels
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May be bullshite on both sides. Jury is in fact still out on Snowden - may be a very sophisticated op.

Superb piece by Webster Tarpley Veterans Today, 'Snowden, CIA Shill?'

Describing the long usage of the 'limited hang-out' technique ... revealing material that nominally stirs up stuff but is actually serving the regime in various ways, and yet hiding the dirtiest of goings on ... like with the Wikileaks material that bashed other countries but managed to say little about US-Israeli crimes

Snowden is helping push Obama into the stupid war with Syria and more confrontation with China
May be a 'triple agent' trying to penetrate China

Really is a bit strange about Snowden

Whole bunch of previous NSA whistleblowers saying the same thing
William Binney, Mark Klein, Adrienne Kinne, Thomas Drake, Kirk Wiebe
All stuck on 'conspiracy' websites

But Snowden is a super-hero
Pumped by the same CIA-tied Guardian that faces a European legal case over smearing another dissident from the US with total bribed lies
Same Guardian that pumped the CIA's deceptive Wikileaks and then dumped and smeared Assange when finished with him

Snowden's crazy CV ... no high school ... spook security guard ... suddenly NSA-CIA computer genius in posh Switzerland

Snowden being pumped by one of the top CIA families in America, that of Trilateral Commission guru, and advisor of Obama and US Presidents for 40 years, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the 'Great Game - Grand Chessboard' warmonger neo-con... Zbigniew's daughter, millionaire journalist Mika Brzezinski, interviewing and promoting Snowden ... while Mika's brother Ian Brzezinski worked with Snowden at CIA-NSA Booz Allen

Jury is still out on all this

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:14 | 3668377 LawsofPhysics
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Does it really matter?  I mean, bridges and buildings are falling down on their own lately.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 18:21 | 3669533 cynicalskeptic
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Empires collapse when they spend themselves into bankruptcy.   We've followed Rome's example in fast-forward from Republic to Empire to collapse - all of our own doing.  No outside 'foreigners' compelled the US to be the world's 'policeman' and spend more on 'defense' than the rest of the world.  No outside foreign opponent compelled the US ton intervene in countless nations directly or indirectly over the past 100 years.....

The YS WAS once a 'shining example' - a nation based on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and government BY and FOR the people.... Our hypocrisy has made us hated by so many......How many people trying to get for rthemselves what we ourselves supposedly had - 'freedom' - were betrayed by the US suppoting countless dictatorshipws and autocracies in support of private economic intersts?  Smedley Butler got it right -I have spent a career in the service of AAmerican business' and so did Ike in his farewell address.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:20 | 3668469 Cultural Capital
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Are you honestly stupid enough to believe that the Chinese would voluntarily give this guy access to anything worthwhile? What are they going to do, sent him back to America with a USB drive?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:51 | 3668614 kridkrid
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Interesting read. Not sure why you are getting downvoted so much. So to believe that Snowden is the real deal is to believe that the NSA (the whole spook community) is what we all suspect it is. If it is what we all suspect it is, then of course it's reasonable to suspect that Snowden is CIA. Bank guy in Brussels isn't saying 100% that the Snowden story is BS, neither was Webster Tarpley (though I guess he was almost there)... but both seem to be saying that it's a reasonable intepretation. The fact that nothing here is "news" is newsworthy, I think.

And yes... it kind of matters to me. Someone yesterday said, "Fine...if the NSA and CIA are at war with each other, that's good by me"... and it's good by me, too. But I guess it matters a little if Snowden is a sincere agent or part of the CIA.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:01 | 3669101 Totentänzerlied
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"fine...if the NSA and CIA are at war with each other, that's good by me"

No. As the phrase goes, "no matter who wins, we lose."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:03 | 3668663 Canadian Dirtlump
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the concept of him being a limited hang out is very very probable in my view, and the public's responsibility is to not let it die. Run with it and make it blow up in their faces.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 14:50 | 3669065 pods
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Snowden might be Jesus, idk.

I think that you are confusing the messenger for the message.

I for one do not give a shit about who he is working for.  The more rocks that get overturned, the more cock-a-roaches we can stomp on.

People are gonna fucking hate the CIA too.  

And toss old Brezinski in boiling oil while you are at.

With the speed and decentralization of information today, there is a huge risk of things spinning out of control.

Oh, and CIA, fuck off you murdering bastards!

(that was for Gary Webb)



Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:06 | 3669115 Totentänzerlied
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Don't be so naive. The point of such an op is, obviously, to further an agenda. And as long as the backlash cost does not exceed the agenda-advancing benefit, you and I lose. How has the security apparatus been tangibly harmed by this event? Bad PR ... its been swimming in bad PR for its entire existence ... because its involved in some really, really bad shit. There hasn't been any material backlash worth mentioning. They've already won. The plan is proceeding, uninterrupted.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:19 | 3669134 pods
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Well I am not naive, nor am I that jaded to think that everything always goes according to plan or is a plan.

This sort of stuff does not like to be out in the open.  Not for good, or bad.  

They've won?  This latest barrage of information is but a month old.   (the IRS, Verizon, and NSA)

I do not think that everything that happens today is a plan, or goes according to plan.  Call me naive, but entropy is the norm of things.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:44 | 3669185 blu
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I question if the government is able to pull off any plan at all, they are that inept. In my experience the people who float to the top of government are less characterized by their smarts and more by their instincts at ass-kissing monkey-business.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 20:15 | 3669803 Edelweiss
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  A big +1 to pods above.  I can't help noticing that nearly every time some news breaks, immediately  it's plugged into the conspiracy framework.  Does MSM and govt. have little credibility?  You bet.  It doesn't mean that everything that happens is carefully crafted to elicit a particular response, bring about a certain result, etc.  Some people require an incredibly low standard of proof.  What matters most to me, is the net result of these events.  For example, how people respond to Snowden, and his allegations, is more important than who he works/worked for.   

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 16:22 | 3669295 Oldrepublic
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re: Bank Guy in Brussels

Counterpunch had a good take on this

Is Naomi Wolf working for the NSA? by DAVE LINDORFF

I hate to do this, but I feel obligated to share, as the story unfolds, my creeping concern that the writer Naomi Wolf is not whom she purports to be, and that her motive in writing an article on her public Facebook page speculating about whether National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden might actually be still working for the NSA, could be to support the government’s effort to destroy him.

After all, with Snowden under vicious attack by both the government and the corporate media, being wrongly accused of treason, or portrayed as a drop-out slacker, a narcissist, a loser hoping to gain fame and even a “cross-dressing” weirdo, what defender of liberty would pile on with publication of a work of absolutely fact-free speculation as to whether he might also be a kind of “double agent” put out there by the NSA in order to discourage real potential whistleblowers from even considering leaking information about government spying on Americans.

Because that is exactly what Wolf has done on her website (the first clause at the opening of this article is a direct quote from the lead in Wolf’s Facebook piece, but with her name substituted for Snowden’s).

What basis does she offer for her wild-eyed speculation that Snowden is perhaps “not who he purports to be”?

Well, first of all she notes darkly that US spy agencies “create false identities, build fake companies, influence real media with fake stories, create distractions or demonizations in the local news that advance US policies, bug (technologically) and harass the opposition, disrupt and infiltrate the meetings and communications of factions that the US does not wish to see in power.” This, she says, touting her own now rather dated 2007 book The End of America, is “something you can’t not see if you spend time around people who are senior in both the political establishment and the intelligence and state department establishments. You also can’t avoid seeing it if you interview principled defectors from those systems, as I have done…”

Then, after having assuring us of how well-connected she is, she raises what she calls “red flags” about Snowden:

“I was concerned about the way Snowden conveys his message. He is not struggling for words, or thinking hard, as even bright, articulate whistleblowers under stress will do. Rather he appears to be transmitting whole paragraphs smoothly, without stumbling. To me this reads as someone who has learned his talking points — again the way that political campaigns train surrogates to transmit talking points.”

“He keeps saying things like, ‘If you are a journalist and they think you are the transmission point of this info, they will certainly kill you.’ Or: ‘I fully expect to be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.’ He also keeps stressing what he will lose: his $200,000 salary, his girlfriend, his house in Hawaii. These are the kinds of messages that the police state would LIKE journalists to take away.” In case we miss the point, she adds, implying rather strongly that she is concluding Snowden is a fake, “A real whistleblower also does not put out potential legal penalties as options, and almost always by this point has a lawyer by his/her side who would PROHIBIT him/her from saying, ‘come get me under the Espionage Act.’ Finally in my experience, real whistleblowers are completely focused on their act of public service and trying to manage the jeopardy to themselves and their loved ones; they don’t tend ever to call attention to their own self-sacrifice.”

“It is actually in the Police State’s interest to let everyone know that everything you write or say everywhere is being surveilled, and that awful things happen to people who challenge this. Which is why I am not surprised that now he is on UK no-fly lists – I assume the end of this story is that we will all have a lesson in terrible things that happen to whistleblowers.” She adds, in a further indictment of Snowden, “That could be because he is a real guy who gets in trouble; but it would be as useful to the police state if he is a fake guy who gets in ‘trouble.’”

She says he talks about the beautiful “pole-dancer” girlfriend he abandoned (actually he did that for her safety, Naomi), implying his repetition process might be so that the media have a justification to keep showing her sexy photo (as though our prurient media needs a justification to do such a thing).

The media keep saying he is in a “safe house” in Hong Kong, which according to Wolf cannot exist in the former British colony, now a part of China, “Unless you are with the one organization that can still get off the surveillance grid, because that org created it.”

He’s not surrounded by an army of attorneys the way Wikileaks’ Julian Assange was when he traveled (and by the way, I recall that for a long time, after Wikileaks ran the Bradley Manning documents, including the horrific “Collateral Damage” war crime video, there were conspiracy theorists out there claiming baselessly that he was actually probably a Mossad asset — this on the basis that he had not been sufficiently leaking damaging information about Israel’s actions against Palestinians).

That’s it, folks! All sheer wild speculation about Snowden, with not even one shred of actual evidence against him to suggest he’s anything but what he says he is: a young man who was hired to do some really dirty work spying on Americans en masse, who decided that what was happening was the creation of a totalitarian system, and who had the courage of, instead of walking away from it, putting his life in jeopardy by publicly blowing the whistle.

I have nothing against trying to uncover conspiracies, particularly those orchestrated by a government like our own which we know has manufactured from whole cloth faked evidence to justify a war in Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, even to the point of torturing captives to get them to make up tales that would justify that fake evidence. But when someone with Wolf’s reputation on the left sinks to this level of baseless and libelous accusations against a brave person who is under attack by that government, it cannot be allowed to pass.

Of course, I don’t really think that Wolf is acting as an agent for the government (I could only speculate about that, and I won’t). And if she were just thinking these idle thoughts, and maybe raising them in a playful discussion at home with a few friends over dinner, I would see nothing wrong in the exercise. But as a highly media-savvy public person, she’s publishing them intentionally where they will be widely circulated: on her publicly accessible Facebook page. I have to conclude she has allowed her instinct for self-promotion and grandstanding in this case to let her do something truly treacherous and unconscionable: baselessly defaming and attacking the credibility of a brave whistleblower who is under official under attack.

As a long-time investigative reporter, I also dispute Wolf’s self-serving claim that her own experience in dealing with whistleblowers shows them to be uniformly disorganized and inarticulate. In my experience, some are very disorganized and hard to follow because of their focus on the trees in their personal forest, but some whistleblowers are intensely organized and know exactly what they want to tell you as a journalist. They are also apt, organized or not, contrary to what Wolf says, to highlight the danger they are in, and that they may be putting the reporter in. Sometimes this may be simply to make sure you are interested and recognize the seriousness of what they have to say, and sometimes it is out of genuine fear for themselves and concern for the journalist’s safety, and perhaps also to make sure you fully understand what you’re getting into and that you will not cave and reveal their identity the moment you are put under pressure yourself.

Wolf, who always makes a point of mentioning she’s a Yale grad and a Rhodes Scholar who studied at Oxford, should take care in assuming that someone with only a high school diploma speaking in whole sentences or paragraphs is probably reciting “talking points” from a script. Her assumption reeks of class-based stereotyping. I have met car mechanics, who besides working miracles on my old cars, can speak in multiple paragraphs about politics, often with more wisdom and insight than most of the ivy-league pundits on the tube.

As for Wolf’s claim of there being “no safe houses” in Hong Kong, I just have to laugh. Having lived in Hong Kong for five years, I can assure her that there are myriad urban warrens all over Hong Kong where one could hide for decades undetected, as well as vast stretches of tropical wilderness in the New Territories where people can become lost for days, even with professional rescue teams looking for them. Wolf should stick to things she has actual knowledge about, instead of trashing good people on the basis of ignorant speculation and pretend savvy.

Unless and until someone comes up with a single hard fact seriously suggesting that Snowden is a fake, this kind of fantasizing should halt. Wolf should apologize for her self-aggrandizing tripe and make a generous donation from her book sales to the Snowden defense fund — unless of course she has evidence that the Progressive Change Campaign Committee is an NSA or CIA front group.

DAVE LINDORFF is a founding member of ThisCantBeHappening!, an online newspaper collective,

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 17:09 | 3669414 Black Swan 9
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Naomi Klein: My Creeping Concern that the NSA Leaker Edward Snowden is not who he Purports to be…

"I hate to do this but I feel obligated to share, as the story unfolds, my creeping concern that the NSA leaker is not who he purports to be, and that the motivations involved in the story may be more complex than they appear to be.

This is in no way to detract from the great courage of Glenn Greenwald in reporting the story, and the gutsiness of the Guardian in showcasing this kind of reporting, which is a service to America that US media is not performing at all.

It is just to raise some cautions as the story unfolds, and to raise some questions about how it is unfolding, based on my experience with high-level political messaging."

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 19:00 | 3669597 Ignatius
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Black Swan 9


This also:

None of Snowden's info thus far is any more revealing than what Binney revealed.  Snowden is getting the press while Binney confirmed what many of us already concluded.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:27 | 3669150 DosZap
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Bottom line if they are not focused 98% on Muslims then they are just spying on us.Period.If I were a Muslim, I would not like it,but considering the track record, I would understand the need.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:01 | 3668341 JustObserving
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Fuck, that would have benifitted the nation

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668350 buzzsaw99
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no way man, i am patriotic and wouldn't say shit like that. plus, i plan to rat all you bastards out for new underwear someday.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:06 | 3668370 JustObserving
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Sarcasm and truth are so difficult to tell apart when you have a fascist government in charge.  The NSA is watching.

benifited but the extra t is for truth

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:06 | 3668381 buzzsaw99
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The NSA is watching.

Yeah, I know, and when they come knocking they better bring my new cotton underwearz bitchez.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3668401 ebworthen
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Plaid?  Camouflage?  Or Bernanke's face on the backside?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:01 | 3668343 ebworthen
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The NYSE hardly seems worth surrendering The Constitution for.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:10 | 3668402 upWising
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"The Amercian Way of Life is Non-Negotiable."

–"Uncle" Dick Cheney, 2004.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:36 | 3668561 ParkAveFlasher
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So is the dollar, Dick.  That's the problem!!!  Jeez this guy is so totally IRONIC lately. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:57 | 3668634 resurger
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fuck the NYSE and the NSA.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:01 | 3668345 Spastica Rex
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Bernanke is NSA?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:02 | 3668347 Meat Hammer
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It happened before the election and Obama didn't spike the football and do a touchdown dance during every campaign stop?  For that very reason I call bullshit.  

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668351 Tsunami Wave
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Oh thank goodness everyone!!! I love the NSA! What more freedoms and tax money can we give to make sure no crime ever happens now!?

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:05 | 3668375 Spastica Rex
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Well, you're in luck! You can give money and even help with your own two hands to construct thousands of underground concrete... habitats where all the lumpens are going to be... housed to... protect them from... terror!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:17 | 3668454 kill switch
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Oh thank goodness everyone!!! I love the NSA! What more freedoms and tax money can we give to make sure no crime ever happens now!?

Chicago is looking real safe HAHAHAHAHA The godfather needs to tie into the NSA for a little help foiling all these murders.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668354 Dr. Engali
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Hmmm..too bad they allegedly foiled the alleged attempt.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:02 | 3668358 mjorden
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Bleach kills cancer cells, drink up, I know what is best for you!

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:43 | 3668578 PT
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mjorden re "Bleach kills ..." : + 1 000 000

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668361 williambanzai7
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What a bunch of fucking clowns...


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:30 | 3668769 12ToothAssassin
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Seems like more red cars than would represent a 'normal' cross section of society.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 13:35 | 3668789 Ms. Erable
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There are many words on this subject, but only one is required in response: horseshit.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:03 | 3668362 The Invisible Foot
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Oh we'll that make me feel a whole lot better...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:04 | 3668365 Cdad
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Yet another absurd hearing on The Hill.  Praise from the Marxist oriented members...and shallow questions with no follow ups, and no concern for the abuse of illegally collected data from The Rs.

Fabulous.  Way to go Congress!  In the last 20 years, and through you own incompetence and unwillingness to risk political defeat, you have made your entire branch of government utterly irrelevant.  

All we need now is FOX News to breath a sigh of relief that everything is okay now.


Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:04 | 3668366 cuttlefish
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The only terrorist they ever catch is the ones that the FBI sets up ! These guys are completely full of it and cannot be trusted ...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:18 | 3668461 ejmoosa
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I wonder how many times the FBI has caught folks from the CIA and from DHS in their traps? 

One big circle jerk....

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:08 | 3668367 Kirk2NCC1701
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NSA, can you provide list of Perps for all the billion-dollar and trillion-dollar scams that have been perpetrated?

Bet ya ZH can.  So what do we need you for?

p.s. A "potential bombing" is some far off country is not and should not be my problem, or a 'problem' that requires my/our taxpayer money.  Have Interpol work with the FBI... again: 'No NSA needed'.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:12 | 3668417 upWising
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NSA = "Not Saying Anything"

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:05 | 3668368 Vooter
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You'd think they'd be smart enough to know which plots should be allowed to continue...

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:04 | 3668369 Dr. Engali
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It seems that we are ready to negotiate the terms of our surrender in Afghanistan:


Afghanistan..where empires go to die.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:14 | 3668432 markar
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Because we need the resources for the soon to be next blunder in Syria

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:39 | 3668569 ParkAveFlasher
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Yes, morphine from Afghan opium, morphine for battlefield painkillers because painkillers will suffice for the armor our fighting sons lack.  We demand PEACE, CALM, and QUIET from all sheeple, be they uniformed, investing, or what have you. 

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:08 | 3668371 buzzsaw99
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they probably went to and shut those terrorist commies down [/sarc.]

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:05 | 3668373 Lendo
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Our policies domestic & abroad cause more terrorism than they will ever stop.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:08 | 3668386 buzzsaw99
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that is the idea in a nutshell. they want terrorism, they need terrorism, they ARE terrorism.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:11 | 3668404 the grateful un...
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its a cottage industry and its about to go corporate booyah

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 15:01 | 3669097 Herd Redirectio...
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Two strategies from organized crime everyone should know:

The Protection Racket.  "Pay us to protect you, or your lovely shop/home/nation MIGHT get attacked by some mobsters/'terrorists'."  (if you don't pay, they break the windows, meanwhile they own the store that sells new windows)

Win/win.  (in the case of a nation, instead of breaking windows you are 'attacked by irrational terrorists', and you have to beg the intelligence agencies and Military Industrial Complex to save you, which, given a large enough budget, they are happy to do).

Busting Out the Joint.  A legitimate business such as a restaurant (or prosperous nation) is taken over (through intimidation and bribery).   Everything useful is stripped, over time.  The company's credit is used to buy restaurant supplies, which are then 'stolen' from the restaurant.  The owners get full benefit of the supplies, the business is saddled with debt.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:07 | 3668376 Tsunami Wave
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I see the NSA committing crimes by violating several amendments of the constitution.... Can the government tell me how can I and we the people can foil and stop that??? That's a terrorist attack that happens everyday in America (and now the world), I think we can all be safer if the 'no such agency' can cease to exist.

Tue, 06/18/2013 - 12:07 | 3668384 NOTW777
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scandal after scandal and yet everytime there is an investigation no one knows ANYTHING - from obama to holder to the head of every agency - they can barely remember their names;  the media dutifully accepts the "I dont knows" and "I cant remembers"  but now when their precious citizen spying program is questioned we get a flood of information???????


I m not buying any of it.  Enough of the "we are abusing you to protect you" blather

our government is thoroughly and imminently corrupt and deceiving

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