Drones Are Used For Domestic Surveillance, FBI Director Admits

Tyler Durden's picture

Not sure if this one fits with the "fairness doctrine" or the "inconvenience" paradigm (where the government is here to protect you in exchange for ceding all those pesky constitutional amendments), but moments ago yet another "conspiracy theory" become fact when the FBI director Robert Mueller admitted to the domestic use of drones for surveillance purposes.

From RT:

The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday.


Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft.


“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr. Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.


“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Well as long as it's very seldom... The good thing about the rabbit hole is, it never really ends.

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Devotional's picture

this song is quite fitting of the USA these days:


Go Eddy!

BLOTTO's picture

These domestic spying measures are designed for a future day after everything goes to shit.


To protect themselves - against us.

SMG's picture

 The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely.

In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people's windows.

Oceanians live in a constant state of being monitored by the Party, through the use of advanced, invasive technology.


-1984, Orwell

or 2013 America

Sudden Debt's picture

through the use of advanced, invasive technology....

yeah... Anal probes... the 80's... those where the days...

The Juggernaut's picture

Another conspiracy file needs to go in to the reality file.

insanelysane's picture

Seems like we will also be revisiting the 1996 plane crash in New York.  The plane that conspiracy theorists believe was accidentally shot down by the Navy when one of their heat seeking missiles was launched.

SimMaker's picture

Lets face it, those crazy fucks have probably used alien technology reverse engineered at Area 51 to invent a machine that CAN print Gold.......

Joe Sixpack's picture

Learn about UAVs, discuss them, maybe operate one yourself:



Stackers's picture

Who needs unmanned drones when we've manned drones buzzing our houses with search lights and FLIR systems for decades ?

MillionDollarBogus_'s picture

Any Brit folks bothered by this;

"..The UK has an extensive automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) CCTV network. Police and security services use it to track UK vehicle movements in real time. The resulting data are stored for 5 years in the National ANPR Data Centre to be analyzed for intelligence and to be used as evidence.

Following the formation of the Conservative – Liberal Democrat Coalition after the 2010 General Election, it was announced in July 2010 that the system is to be placed under statutory regulation. This is likely to establish a right in law to collect the data, and place controls on its use, storage and access by third parties. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 was enacted in order to provide for tighter regulation of ANPR..."

Monaco is blanketed with surveillance cameras.  Crime there is virtually non-existant.

Bawneee Fwank's picture

The same thing is being done here via local police...

Everyone take notice of your local police vehicles....They have things mounted on the (outside of trunk) trunk of the cars that look like police lights, they are not lights, they are plate readers.  I noticed them a couple years ago and I am amazed at how many I see now.  On SUV models they are mounted at the back corners of the roof.


Joe Sixpack's picture

Monaco is a frickng giant casino run by a prince. No citizens, no crime.

data_monkey's picture

cost + stealth = abundance

Bananamerican's picture

with O now in Berlin I was just wondering, how long before Freedom loving countries like Germany impose sanctions against us, condemn the u.s. for its gulag (largest prison population), its crony capital wars of imperialism, surveillance state, rigged elections, State propaganda, use of torture, and the crushing of political dissent....amongst EVERY other crime the u.s. government EVER accused the ussr of committing 

kridkrid's picture

This "news" should have it's own article/post. I mean it's not really news... anyone who has spent any amount of time looking at TWA 800 realized that the official story was total rubbish. But in the "conspiracy theory now conspiracy fact" category, it's noteworthy. Now retrace the steps and observe the number of times people defended the official story and used "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative term agains those who questioned the official story.

Here is what I've learned works with my friends who are skeptical of skeptics. Don't defend a positive position over what happened, who was behind what happened, or why. They need to first recognize that the lie is a lie... though you can't really use that language either... baby steps for the indoctrinated. But they can get there.

BLOTTO's picture

Not sure about that Sim...theyve been trying  that (alchemy) for ages.


Evil can not give birth to 'good' things...it can only try to manipulate, lie and pervert them.

Boozer's picture

I was on a flight to Miami shortly after this occured.  Tower Air 1st class in the old Pan Am

747 jets you went up a staircase to the seats.  I boarded early and there were a couple

of captains deadheading and talking shop.  They mentioned how through the grapevine

pilots had seen what looked like a surface to air event.  No other pax around just me and

these guys...I got the feeling the vapor explosion story was just that after listening to these

grizzled veterans discuss it at length.  Reopening the case brought the memory back and I

thought i'd share it.

Boozer's picture

@insanelysane: I was on a flight to Miami shortly after this occured.  Tower Air 1st class in the old Pan Am

747 jets you went up a staircase to the seats.  I boarded early and there were a couple

of captains deadheading and talking shop.  They mentioned how through the grapevine

pilots had seen what looked like a surface to air event.  No other pax around just me and

these guys...I got the feeling the vapor explosion story was just that after listening to these

grizzled veterans discuss it at length.  Reopening the case brought the memory back and I

thought i'd share it.

Go Tribe's picture

Reality file will need its own drawer soon.

Pladizow's picture

Every encroachment on freedom and liberty that the US Gov has ever been suspected of - they've done things 10 times worse!

Sudden Debt's picture

I... I can't imagine anything worse than a device in my ass....

maybe that's the real difference between Europeans and Americans.... you guys are open to that kind of stuff... and we eat horses....

Pladizow's picture

Loyalty to a country - thats so 20th century!

sgt_doom's picture

Actually, your comment reminds me of that Boeing engineer a few years back (Boeing, who has a subsidiary, Narus, which is responsible for the deaths of countless pro-democracy activists around the world, plus another subsidiary, Jeppeson Dataplan, et al., which was responsible for numerous extreme renditions).

The Boeing engineer was fucked to death in you know where by a horse (by choice, the horse effing, that is, perhaps not the death part).

smlbizman's picture

after reading this all whys? how could they? will make sense...this will let you know why the constitution is an illusion


The declared National Emergency of March 9, 1933 amended the War Powers Act to include the American People as enemies:

"In Title 1, Section 1 it says: The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed."

"Section 2. Subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended, is hereby amended to read as follows: emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President, and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, BY ANY PERSON WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF."


Here is the legal phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, but at law this refers to alien enemy and also applies to Fourteenth Amendment citizens:

"As these words are used in the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution, providing for the citizenship of all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the purpose would appear to have been to exclude by the fewest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common Law), the two classes of cases, children born of *ALIEN ENEMIES(emphasis mine), in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, both of which, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country." - United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649, 682, 42 L Ed 890, 902, 18 S Ct 456. Ballentine's Law Dictionary

Congressman Beck had this to say about the War Powers Act:

"I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. It means that when Congress declares an emergency there is no Constitution. This means its death....But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its constitutional powers." - Congressman James Beck in Congressional Record 1933

12ToothAssassin's picture

Along the same lines as your post above, here is a lengthy and sort of dry but VERY good read on how the 14th amendment could be interpreted as making citizens into revolutionaries that legitimize an illegal government: http://www.pacinlaw.org/error/



Ivanovich's picture

My favorite was when Cartman got an anal probe.

Sudden Debt's picture

yeah :) I wanted to post it but this fucking firewall blocks youtube....

Debt-Is-Not-Money's picture

"yeah :) I wanted to post it but this fucking firewall blocks youtube...."

Permit me:


Overflow-admin's picture

"The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered."


Just saying hello to my little CIA and NSA friends.

Hard1's picture

5 Senses writing assignment:

Big brother is watching, seeing, hearing.

Smells fishy and I feel angry


(Greetings to all my loyal readers at the NSA)


franzpick's picture

Don't fall for Mueller's half truth which is as good as a lie; reports are that orders have been placed to weaponize the drones for unauthorized use against Americans when the public anger and pushback reaches critical mass.

Things that go bump's picture

I thought they were just going to use their microwave crowd control device to cook us. Bombs are so indiscriminate. 

Chupacabra-322's picture


Most Americans and
others worldwide naively assume that the National Security Agency (NSA) scandal
represents an excess of zeal in attempting to track down domestic terrorists
who want to attack targets in America. What they do not appreciate is:

(a) that terrorist activity in the US is virtually
non-existent, as a recent report by a subcommittee of the Senate Committee on
Homeland Security and Intelligence has officially confirmed;

(b) that the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has been faking attacks (such as Sandy
Hook and the Boston bombing) to create the false impression that the threat is
real, since otherwise no one would believe it; where

(c) the real
purpose of this massive surveillance is to identify Americans who would have
the courage and resolution to oppose the complete transformation of America
into a fascistic military/police state, which is in the offing.

iDealMeat's picture

You can solve all your privacy concerns and completely crash the system with a simple behavioral change.

1. Cut your consumption in half.

2. Use cash.

pods's picture


I love it.  They have only passed 1 law so far that makes me buy something.  

We can crash the system before we get to a quota system for mandatory buying of everything.

Long guillotines. <hat tip LoP>


ILLILLILLI's picture

Best site on the subject:




Let the blades fall...

Cocomaan's picture

Cash won't be around for much longer, enjoy it. It will be outlawed over national security concerns.

Things that go bump's picture

How will they bribe politicians then? How will they get their cut of the dope trade? What will all the working girls do?

Meat Hammer's picture

Thanks for reminding me to fix the drip nozzle on my tomatoes then ride my bike down to the neighbor's house to buy some compost with cash.

sgt_doom's picture

The FBI, led by Director Robert (Truesdale) Mueller III, first appointed chief of the DOJ's criminal division, to interdict the investigation into BCCI, which was coming to close to President Geo. H.W. Bush's White House, and later appointed director of the FBI just days prior to the events of 9/11?

The very same fellow who is the grandnewphew of Richard Bissell, one of the three top CIA doods fired by President Kennedy prior to his assassination, and another one being Gen. Cabell, who just so happends to be the grandfather of Mueller's wife (which makes her also the grandniece of Gen. Cabell's brother, the then mayor of Dallas, Earl Cabell, who made that last minute change to the route of the President's entourage that horrible day in November of 1963.

Small world, huh?

Just like it's a small world, when the Pentagon's comptroller, on the day of 9/10/01, announces that their auditing team has uncovered the unaccounted for sum of $2.3 trillion in DoD funds, and the very next morning an airliner crashes dead center into the Pentagon's west wall, killing most of that auditing team (the DIA's Financial Management group) and severely injuring the rest.


And today's prolific rap on the NSA and Edward Snowden, a real American hero:


erkme73's picture

I've built my own drone.  Very cheap to do ... <$80 and great entertainment.  Here's a clip:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4YawMYAi4U



Won't be long now until the private drones are outlawed.  Wouldn't want to get into big bro's turf...

Sudden Debt's picture

I was planning to build one myself, you know, start with a existing frame of a simple B52 and go from there.

place a small webcam at the bottom... next to the bombay doors... load it up with fuel bombs and do a small flyover on my neighbours yard. BOMBS AWAY!! That'll teach him for stealing my newspaper....


cherry picker's picture

I hate to brag, but I out did you.  I hacked into a direct tv satellite and programmed the television signals to mind controlling beams.  I can make entire populations, laugh or cry at a whim.   :)

Sudden Debt's picture


we where in a bar... getting pretty loaded up on alcohol...

and a friend of mine said... "wouldn't it be cool if there would be a black president in America?"

funny as hell... long story short... we send out the Ivan controll beams, destroyed 99% of everybody's braincells...

and put one memory into everybody's head: "VOTE FOR THE BLACK GUY!"

to bad we where  never able to shut it down...

at least we got a good laugh out of it and it worked....

erkme73's picture

As of now, commercial use of UAV's are prohibited - I think your link addresses that aspect of it.  But from a private/individual/hobby perspective, there are already legislative measures underway to get them banned in many states:




Joe Davola's picture

gov owns the air, your little toy is trespassing

Lore's picture

I had one hovering over the street in front of my house yesterday afternoon.  Some kid from the next block was having a ball, making it roll and bob up and down. They really are neat.