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Drones Are Used For Domestic Surveillance, FBI Director Admits

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Not sure if this one fits with the "fairness doctrine" or the "inconvenience" paradigm (where the government is here to protect you in exchange for ceding all those pesky constitutional amendments), but moments ago yet another "conspiracy theory" become fact when the FBI director Robert Mueller admitted to the domestic use of drones for surveillance purposes.

From RT:

The FBI uses drones for domestic surveillance purposes, the head of the agency told Congress early Wednesday.

 

Robert Mueller, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confirmed to lawmakers that the FBI owns several unmanned aerial vehicles, but has not adopted any strict policies or guidelines yet to govern the use of the controversial aircraft.

 

“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr. Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

 

“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

Well as long as it's very seldom... The good thing about the rabbit hole is, it never really ends.

 


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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Devotional
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this song is quite fitting of the USA these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM9MB9x6wmU

Go Eddy!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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These domestic spying measures are designed for a future day after everything goes to shit.

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To protect themselves - against us.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment SMG
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 The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely.

In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people's windows.

Oceanians live in a constant state of being monitored by the Party, through the use of advanced, invasive technology.

 

-1984, Orwell

or 2013 America

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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through the use of advanced, invasive technology....

yeah... Anal probes... the 80's... those where the days...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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Another conspiracy file needs to go in to the reality file.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Seems like we will also be revisiting the 1996 plane crash in New York.  The plane that conspiracy theorists believe was accidentally shot down by the Navy when one of their heat seeking missiles was launched.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment SimMaker
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Lets face it, those crazy fucks have probably used alien technology reverse engineered at Area 51 to invent a machine that CAN print Gold.......

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Badabing
Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Learn about UAVs, discuss them, maybe operate one yourself:

 

www.UAVWatch.net

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Stackers
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Who needs unmanned drones when we've manned drones buzzing our houses with search lights and FLIR systems for decades ?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Any Brit folks bothered by this;

"..The UK has an extensive automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) CCTV network. Police and security services use it to track UK vehicle movements in real time. The resulting data are stored for 5 years in the National ANPR Data Centre to be analyzed for intelligence and to be used as evidence.

Following the formation of the Conservative – Liberal Democrat Coalition after the 2010 General Election, it was announced in July 2010 that the system is to be placed under statutory regulation. This is likely to establish a right in law to collect the data, and place controls on its use, storage and access by third parties. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 was enacted in order to provide for tighter regulation of ANPR..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police-enforced_ANPR_in_the_UK

Monaco is blanketed with surveillance cameras.  Crime there is virtually non-existant.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment Bawneee Fwank
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The same thing is being done here via local police...

Everyone take notice of your local police vehicles....They have things mounted on the (outside of trunk) trunk of the cars that look like police lights, they are not lights, they are plate readers.  I noticed them a couple years ago and I am amazed at how many I see now.  On SUV models they are mounted at the back corners of the roof.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_y7NgL5zbq3U/TER5EIjZ20I/AAAAAAAAAtk/8tbGe_LcJU...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Monaco is a frickng giant casino run by a prince. No citizens, no crime.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment data_monkey
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cost + stealth = abundance

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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with O now in Berlin I was just wondering, how long before Freedom loving countries like Germany impose sanctions against us, condemn the u.s. for its gulag (largest prison population), its crony capital wars of imperialism, surveillance state, rigged elections, State propaganda, use of torture, and the crushing of political dissent....amongst EVERY other crime the u.s. government EVER accused the ussr of committing 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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This "news" should have it's own article/post. I mean it's not really news... anyone who has spent any amount of time looking at TWA 800 realized that the official story was total rubbish. But in the "conspiracy theory now conspiracy fact" category, it's noteworthy. Now retrace the steps and observe the number of times people defended the official story and used "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative term agains those who questioned the official story.

Here is what I've learned works with my friends who are skeptical of skeptics. Don't defend a positive position over what happened, who was behind what happened, or why. They need to first recognize that the lie is a lie... though you can't really use that language either... baby steps for the indoctrinated. But they can get there.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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Not sure about that Sim...theyve been trying  that (alchemy) for ages.

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Evil can not give birth to 'good' things...it can only try to manipulate, lie and pervert them.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Boozer
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I was on a flight to Miami shortly after this occured.  Tower Air 1st class in the old Pan Am

747 jets you went up a staircase to the seats.  I boarded early and there were a couple

of captains deadheading and talking shop.  They mentioned how through the grapevine

pilots had seen what looked like a surface to air event.  No other pax around just me and

these guys...I got the feeling the vapor explosion story was just that after listening to these

grizzled veterans discuss it at length.  Reopening the case brought the memory back and I

thought i'd share it.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Boozer
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@insanelysane: I was on a flight to Miami shortly after this occured.  Tower Air 1st class in the old Pan Am

747 jets you went up a staircase to the seats.  I boarded early and there were a couple

of captains deadheading and talking shop.  They mentioned how through the grapevine

pilots had seen what looked like a surface to air event.  No other pax around just me and

these guys...I got the feeling the vapor explosion story was just that after listening to these

grizzled veterans discuss it at length.  Reopening the case brought the memory back and I

thought i'd share it.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:57 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Reality file will need its own drawer soon.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Every encroachment on freedom and liberty that the US Gov has ever been suspected of - they've done things 10 times worse!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I... I can't imagine anything worse than a device in my ass....

maybe that's the real difference between Europeans and Americans.... you guys are open to that kind of stuff... and we eat horses....

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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Loyalty to a country - thats so 20th century!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Actually, your comment reminds me of that Boeing engineer a few years back (Boeing, who has a subsidiary, Narus, which is responsible for the deaths of countless pro-democracy activists around the world, plus another subsidiary, Jeppeson Dataplan, et al., which was responsible for numerous extreme renditions).

The Boeing engineer was fucked to death in you know where by a horse (by choice, the horse effing, that is, perhaps not the death part).

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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after reading this all whys? how could they? will make sense...this will let you know why the constitution is an illusion

http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

The declared National Emergency of March 9, 1933 amended the War Powers Act to include the American People as enemies:

"In Title 1, Section 1 it says: The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed."

"Section 2. Subdivision (b) of section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended, is hereby amended to read as follows: emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President, and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, BY ANY PERSON WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OR ANY PLACE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION THEREOF."

 

Here is the legal phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof, but at law this refers to alien enemy and also applies to Fourteenth Amendment citizens:

"As these words are used in the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution, providing for the citizenship of all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the purpose would appear to have been to exclude by the fewest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common Law), the two classes of cases, children born of *ALIEN ENEMIES(emphasis mine), in hostile occupation, and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign state, both of which, by the law of England and by our own law, from the time of the first settlement of the English colonies in America, had been recognized exceptions to the fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the country." - United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US 649, 682, 42 L Ed 890, 902, 18 S Ct 456. Ballentine's Law Dictionary

Congressman Beck had this to say about the War Powers Act:

"I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. It means that when Congress declares an emergency there is no Constitution. This means its death....But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its constitutional powers." - Congressman James Beck in Congressional Record 1933

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:49 | Link to Comment 12ToothAssassin
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Along the same lines as your post above, here is a lengthy and sort of dry but VERY good read on how the 14th amendment could be interpreted as making citizens into revolutionaries that legitimize an illegal government: http://www.pacinlaw.org/error/

 

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Ivanovich
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My favorite was when Cartman got an anal probe.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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yeah :) I wanted to post it but this fucking firewall blocks youtube....

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"yeah :) I wanted to post it but this fucking firewall blocks youtube...."

Permit me:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s01e01-cartman-gets-an-ana...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Overflow-admin
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"The patrols did not matter, however. Only the Thought Police mattered."

 

Just saying hello to my little CIA and NSA friends.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Hard1
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5 Senses writing assignment:

Big brother is watching, seeing, hearing.

Smells fishy and I feel angry

 

(Greetings to all my loyal readers at the NSA)

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment maskone909
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Thanks alot Bin Laden!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment franzpick
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Don't fall for Mueller's half truth which is as good as a lie; reports are that orders have been placed to weaponize the drones for unauthorized use against Americans when the public anger and pushback reaches critical mass.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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I thought they were just going to use their microwave crowd control device to cook us. Bombs are so indiscriminate. 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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@ BLOTTO,

Most Americans and
others worldwide naively assume that the National Security Agency (NSA) scandal
represents an excess of zeal in attempting to track down domestic terrorists
who want to attack targets in America. What they do not appreciate is:

(a) that terrorist activity in the US is virtually
non-existent, as a recent report by a subcommittee of the Senate Committee on
Homeland Security and Intelligence has officially confirmed;

(b) that the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has been faking attacks (such as Sandy
Hook and the Boston bombing) to create the false impression that the threat is
real, since otherwise no one would believe it; where

(c) the real
purpose of this massive surveillance is to identify Americans who would have
the courage and resolution to oppose the complete transformation of America
into a fascistic military/police state, which is in the offing.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment iDealMeat
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You can solve all your privacy concerns and completely crash the system with a simple behavioral change.

1. Cut your consumption in half.

2. Use cash.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment pods
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Done.
Done.

I love it.  They have only passed 1 law so far that makes me buy something.  

We can crash the system before we get to a quota system for mandatory buying of everything.

Long guillotines. <hat tip LoP>

pods

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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Best site on the subject:

 

http://boisdejustice.com/Home/Home.html

 

Let the blades fall...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Cocomaan
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Cash won't be around for much longer, enjoy it. It will be outlawed over national security concerns.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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How will they bribe politicians then? How will they get their cut of the dope trade? What will all the working girls do?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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Thanks for reminding me to fix the drip nozzle on my tomatoes then ride my bike down to the neighbor's house to buy some compost with cash.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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The FBI, led by Director Robert (Truesdale) Mueller III, first appointed chief of the DOJ's criminal division, to interdict the investigation into BCCI, which was coming to close to President Geo. H.W. Bush's White House, and later appointed director of the FBI just days prior to the events of 9/11?

The very same fellow who is the grandnewphew of Richard Bissell, one of the three top CIA doods fired by President Kennedy prior to his assassination, and another one being Gen. Cabell, who just so happends to be the grandfather of Mueller's wife (which makes her also the grandniece of Gen. Cabell's brother, the then mayor of Dallas, Earl Cabell, who made that last minute change to the route of the President's entourage that horrible day in November of 1963.

Small world, huh?

Just like it's a small world, when the Pentagon's comptroller, on the day of 9/10/01, announces that their auditing team has uncovered the unaccounted for sum of $2.3 trillion in DoD funds, and the very next morning an airliner crashes dead center into the Pentagon's west wall, killing most of that auditing team (the DIA's Financial Management group) and severely injuring the rest.

http://www.prx.org/pieces/1141-we-were-on-duty

And today's prolific rap on the NSA and Edward Snowden, a real American hero:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hnMPQmIPibE

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment erkme73
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I've built my own drone.  Very cheap to do ... <$80 and great entertainment.  Here's a clip:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4YawMYAi4U

 

 

Won't be long now until the private drones are outlawed.  Wouldn't want to get into big bro's turf...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I was planning to build one myself, you know, start with a existing frame of a simple B52 and go from there.

place a small webcam at the bottom... next to the bombay doors... load it up with fuel bombs and do a small flyover on my neighbours yard. BOMBS AWAY!! That'll teach him for stealing my newspaper....

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment cherry picker
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I hate to brag, but I out did you.  I hacked into a direct tv satellite and programmed the television signals to mind controlling beams.  I can make entire populations, laugh or cry at a whim.   :)

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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PPFfffttt.... WE DID THAT 6 YEARS AGO ALREADY!!!!

we where in a bar... getting pretty loaded up on alcohol...

and a friend of mine said... "wouldn't it be cool if there would be a black president in America?"

funny as hell... long story short... we send out the Ivan controll beams, destroyed 99% of everybody's braincells...

and put one memory into everybody's head: "VOTE FOR THE BLACK GUY!"

to bad we where  never able to shut it down...

at least we got a good laugh out of it and it worked....

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment idea_hamster
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What do you mean, "won't be long"?

http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/uas/

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment erkme73
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As of now, commercial use of UAV's are prohibited - I think your link addresses that aspect of it.  But from a private/individual/hobby perspective, there are already legislative measures underway to get them banned in many states:

http://fstoppers.com/using-drones-faa-approval-photos-or-video-is-illegal

 

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-02/privacy-and-drones

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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gov owns the air, your little toy is trespassing

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Lore
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I had one hovering over the street in front of my house yesterday afternoon.  Some kid from the next block was having a ball, making it roll and bob up and down. They really are neat. 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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I thought that "bird" outside of my window was hovering funny ...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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yeah.... I was wondering how that bird made that red dot appear on my forehead every time it shows up...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment espirit
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Those oversized hummingbirds are a dead giveaway.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Don't worry. That's just a "Red Dot Blackbird" ...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Shotgun loves Red Dot Blackbirds!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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some body will come up with a bird catcher shotgun load

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment 2discern
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Does the Director know anything about his boss barry soetero? Does any government agency think it is prudent to vet the CiC ?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment espirit
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The Globe says he's gotta hooker.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment BandGap
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"Just the tip, I promise."

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Ying-Yang
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Always tip well.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment BandGap
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It's a corollary to the previous Fed in a Box discussion. It's not that the Fed is in a box as much as how far the Fed is in said box.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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I'm just waiting for them to pass a law stating that any private citizen shoots down one of these things will be charged with terrorism and more than likely will be fired upon by said drone. You know its,coming.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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You First! I'm not fucking with those things. Who knows what tech the new shit has on-board. That thing may have a laser that can shave a ball bag at a half mile.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment notadouche
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More sugically precise than a Mohel.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Thankfully we have heros like Snowden who choose the right in the face of danger.  To many people say there are too scared to say/do anything.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Freedom In Your...
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So, at this time there have been many different .gov agencies that openly admit to disregarding the constitution. When do people that worship that piece of paper as holy finally admit words written on paper have no power over human beings? The bigger question, when they do finally admit that, do they realize that government is illegitamate too? My bet is that if enough people finally muster up enough courage to change things, we go back to what government was 30 or 40 years ago and repeat the process all over again. Fucking insane species.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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+1.  Freedom takes responsibility and hard work and our country is way beyond that nonsense.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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the first step is to let the brain admit that "voting" is irrelevant.

until that meme is unplugged, all thoughts re: "sides" and "change" are still actively churning, and the body continues in its motions.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Freedom In Your...
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Agreed. Until more people come to realize this, the only real way to help on an individual level is to Starve the Monkeys. Like LoP and others are fond of saying, long black markets and barter. Long growing your own food.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment gamera9
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Let's collectively go outside and give the finger to the sky.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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don't bother.... Americans are welded shut to their coughes...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Cosmic freakin' never ending, unconstitutional bunny hole!  Sick of it!  Sick of the Fed.  Sick of the NSA, the FBI, Homeland Security, war on terror, America as the world's police, the IRS, President Zero speeches, drones, HFT...ALL OF IT!

ENOUGH!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment BandGap
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I thought you were all for law enforcement, Cdad.

Anyone ever wonder about the human counter culture that is developing here? There have to be significant numbers of "drone" workers who see nothing at all wrong with this type of shit. Think about it.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Cdad
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You have mistaken me for someone else.  I believe we could fire 50% of law enforcement in this country...perhaps more...and we'd be just fine.  Better off, in fact.  I know it wouldn't bother me any.

As for what some sorry assed drone operator thinks is okay from moment to moment...let us not constantly cater to the lowest common denominator.  We've done that for the last 40 years in this country...where has it gotten us?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Just giving you shit, take it easy. You mentioned your brother (?) working for a state crime lab, though. He has to see some of the gung-ho law enforcement types.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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'Law enforcement'...lol WHAT 'laws'? Those that don't apply to the el-ites, yet the peasants will get their life ruined for not dotting an 'I' or miscrossing a 'T'? 

'Laws'...my ass.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment pods
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So you are waiting for the Fed Ex guy to drop off the phone from Morpheus too?

pods

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I sent an email to the reality administrators asking for better living conditions. Nothing so far. Actually, things have gotten worse. Guess they are kinda like Crom in that they don't want to hear about your shit.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yep Cdad, absolutely sick of this demand that we just sit and take their crap like dark ages villagers, FUCK THEM!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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Just watched jeremy scahill's "dirty war", great documentary, and realized Amerika has become the empire in star wars. just wondering when JSOC raids start in the states.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment Lore
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Watching the trailer and a bit of press, it seems like a mixture of info and disinfo, with more focus on symptoms than underlying causes.  I wouldn't waste any more time. There's entirely too much mediocre analysis floating around as entertainment.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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How do you think Michael Hastings died?

Or Breitbart?

It seems odd right?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment SMG
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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment F. Bastiat
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Well, of course they are.

Power is inevitably abused because the nature of mankind is aggressive, selfish, and sinful.

Has we learned nothing from the Founders?  Or, more likely, we just didn't take them seriously, until now.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment pods
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Now why is it the people have to be surveilled all the time yet the government demands secrecy?

Sounds like freedom to me!

pods

edit: Put that one in my fucking file, bitchez!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment notadouche
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Ok.  Done.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yep this is the last position of the absolutely criminal establishment when they cower in fear of the entire public because they know the time is near when they come after them, so the ruling elite must go on the offensive and crush the public first. 

Long pitchforks and torches and ropes!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment pods
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I think H.L. Mencken is quite apropo:

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."

pods

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment WAMO556
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Pitchforks and ropes are so old school!

Me? I like 9mm and 5.56mm o do my revolutionary talking. There are few things that Americans are none for, but making WAR is our NUMBER ONE capability.

Note to my NSA handler - make sure this shit gets into my file.

Untouchables are ALWAYS touchable!!!!

Constitutionalists VS totaltarian nazi "operation paper clip" scum in the government.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Midasking
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Might be time to relocate outside the land of the "FREE"  http://tinyurl.com/mem7o7x

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment NeedleDickTheBu...
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“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, adding that the FBI’s operation of drones is “very seldom.”

 

"And in the process, our domestic drone surveillance has disrupted over 10,000 Al-Qaeda terrorist plots so Americans should be thankful we have this program in place."

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Acet
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"Trust me on this, I wouldn't lie"

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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 :0

   

Effective Range

  • Antenna resonance
  • Field strength
  • Modulation
  • Terrain

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment General Decline
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I would totally build one this weekend if only it weren't illegal.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Trampy
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has your state or county made it illegal?  there's no federal law against small drones used for noncommercial purposes as long as they follow FAA rules.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment General Decline
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Not a drone... A spark gap generator and I was being sarcastic.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment IridiumRebel
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Just like money printing, it is very seldom. 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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you know...

you build a missile... launch it in your backyard... and the cops show up for endangering airspace....

and yet... they fly a drone... and they're homefree....

go fish...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?,” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked.

“Yes,” Mueller responded bluntly, "and, by the way, you should insist that your boyfriend uses condoms during anal sex."

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:18 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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So what are the drones looking for in America, Al Quesack training camps, terrorist marijuana plants ?

 

911 ! 911 !

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Don't dronestrike me bro!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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As long as 'Dancing with the Stars' is still on, the EBT Snap cards still work, and the 14mpg caravan of SUVs still have cheap gas, no one here gives a shit.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Lendo
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It's utterly astounding what fast/processed HCFS-laden-food, lite beer, and mindless television can do to a society.  Just look at people being trampled to death on Black Friday so they can go further into debt to buy Chinese made crap.  People have no idea what is going on in this country, and look at me like I'm crazy when I admit I don't have Facebook and I'm not into sports.

Generation "Y" is going to have a rude awakening once they realize they were sold a blatantly false bill of goods.  

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment NeedleDickTheBu...
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All good points, but I would argue that the reason people don't give a shit is due to a cultural shift among the populace.  The surge in the popularity of reality TV was the catalyst (approximately 400 different current or former series by my count).  It then spread to the average person whereby people no longer had to be anonymous.  Case in point:

150 MM Twitter users in the U.S.

165 MM Facebook users in the U.S.

 

This figures represent about half the population in the U.S.  Anyone who is a Twitter and / or Facebook user is not interested in privacy, but is actually seeking notoriety and greater visbility.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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and when you factor in age groups - under-10s, over-70s - you get a real picture of the number of minds captured by the need to be seen. . .

being watched, just like they've been trained.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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Yeah, I get ya...but...
Are they tweeting their porn habits? Financial data? Letters to loved ones? broadcasting phone calls? Don't give me this " the majority are cool with it" cause they aren't when you smack them upside the head with it and they see the reality of where this goes.
I was never cool with it or joined in any of this crap. Some of us could see the glaring drawbacks right away and also saw who was bankrolling the companies doing it. I don't say that to pat myself on the back for being clever. I've just got a real hot cynical, distrusting streak. I work in IT admin/engineering. I've been asked by bosses to snoop. I've seen data used against people for the wrong reasons. I've seen similar data ignored for the wrong reasons too.
I always snooped hardcore on bosses that had me do it to others.
Know what I found? Know what I did with it when I left the company?
It's a bitch when it swings around like that...when the watchers realize they were watched too.
Reactions, equal and opposite.

This is no time to piss on the wake up call and accept any of it.

As for the TV "reality" shows? They don't call it a TV<< Program>> for nothing. You should point that out to the next person you see drooling in front of the telescreen...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:22 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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I KNEW IT!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Why is it that we can live in such an amazing period of unsurpassed free exchange of ideas through global communication, and all the police state can think of is how can we use this technology for destructive purposes?

Nevermind the rhetorical question. Ideas are bad to TPTB.

 

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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Someone could probably make a pretty penny selling barrage balloons to home owners.  Hmmmm....

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment flacorps
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Proposed 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

"Each public servant in the employ of the Federal Government, and all such private contractors shall at all times be monitored by video and audio surveillance adequate to the task, and their papers and electronic devices shall also be open to detailed inspection, with all such information available in real time as well as appropriately indexed and categorized and permanently archived to allow any citizen easy access to same over a freely available computer network at any time of the citizen's choosing, without any record being created with respect to the citizen accessing such information. Exceptions to such scrutiny may be granted only prospectively, and only for good cause after a full and public hearing in federal court."

Let's see how they like it...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment Frank N. Beans
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This is fine as long as the NSA type people consider themselves to be "public servants."   Which they don't currently.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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I'm grieving for my loss of freedom and passed out of the denial phase of Kübler-Ross a few months ago so the Snowden revelations were no shock to me, just confirmation and raised the anger.  Now I'm just physically sick and demoralized about it.  I like sleeping more these days and being fully absorbed in work, family, and games.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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honestly my annoyance with this never got to physical illness because a) I'm not in America and b) Binney spilled the beans already on thinthread. This is just another confirmation to add to his credibility but he also adds to Snowden's

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:43 | Link to Comment mickeyman
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Peons! Grateful you should be they aren't being used for drone strikes

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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Top Secret video of early fedgov spycopter test failure leaked by whistle blower:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/media/embed/83091418

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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Fucking fantastic tree pruner, though!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:51 | Link to Comment djsmps
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“Does the FBI use drones for surveillance on US soil?” Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) asked Mr. Mueller during an oversight hearing on Capitol Hill Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

 

“Not wittingly,” Mueller responded bluntly.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Curt W
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ATTENTION ! ATTENTION ! All citizens will be required to put a tele-communications device into every room of their home and office.

All units must be the newly approved feed-back awareness, with motion sensor activation being distributed by Safe-T-Nation a subsidary of the NSA.

If you need help with financing, please contact your local Federal Reserve Office.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled propaganda broadcast.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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you're not thinking big picture.
HOUSING RECOVERY.
All housing built with new NSA approved Safe-Watch(tm) house-wiring & outlets will get an instant tax rebate of $2000 per HOME, $4000 for a NEW home.
"Go big or go home"
right?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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Of course the pictured device is completely legal.  It has the FAA mandated red and green clearance lights. 

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Alex Jones the conspiracy freak exposed as ahead of the curve again,,,

 

I guess we don't have Alex Jones to kick around anymore.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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you better buy his survival food on his website or he'll out ya..

 

what a freak

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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Fuck you, numbnuts.
How's he expected to do what he does....damn near 7 days a week on air, on web and in video? Alms and charity from fucks like you? You are a complete asshole. Grump and bitch on some web post. Yeah, that's helping a lot. Fucking tool.
Show me your vast operation warning folks of creeping police state nightmare?
Don't have one do you? Just sit and suck your fucking thumb and hate on anyone trying like he'll to raise the alarm.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 17:21 | Link to Comment kill switch
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IndyPat,

It's nice to have a hyperventilating ally that gets it...THANX

The kill switch

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Winston Smith 2009
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Headline: US public suddenly feels a need for tiny surface to air missiles.

Potential unmanned interceptors:  http://diydrones.com/

But, seriously, a photo of Turkish riot police from a civilian owned drone:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMfSTaPCUAAEsLn.jpg:large

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Curt W
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What is that red stain on the steps?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Aurora Ex Machina
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CS gas / Pepper spray mixed with water. Happens if they either mix it in the tanks or spray heavily while the air is saturated with it. Looking at the color of the water cannons, this is from air mixing. You'll also note that the area is cleared, so it was likely formed a while before the picture was taken (as it's oil based, it remains as a stain & doesn't dissolve).

 

Here is some fucking morons spraying a far too concentrated water jet, while here you can see the mixture flowing in the streets (both are separate incidents to the above).

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 16:01 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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Porta-potties?  Who ordered them, who was servicing those things and how often?  Who was paying for that?  Where's all the stuff they sucked out?  Get a hold of it, every ounce.

 

NSA?  Get right on it!...The Crypt Keeper

 

 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Fuku Ben
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2003 at a outdoor conference on private land in the US I had somone point up at something overhead. Zoomed in with cam and saw is was a decent sized drone and the event was pretty close to an airport

No way that was local law back then

These liars have been doing this forever

Now they've been caught with their hand in the pants and are being called on it

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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They said Obama would be the guy to unify the country and they were right, just not in the context they were trying to package and sell. 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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me want

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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Imagine what that sucker to do to the zombies coming down my driveway with a death ray gun that is available for the chosen few.

fuck man - booooyaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment robnume
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It's summer now, guys; don't pay any attention to that electronic looking mosquito which, upon landing on you, will plant a chip into your body. I wonder if those "mosquito" drones have anal probes on board yet... Eric Cartman will be thrilled! Welcome to the United Stasi of Amerika!!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:35 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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gee check out the kodak instamatic that is on it.

 

wow technical wizardry of ze US vill overtake ze world!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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The camera actually appears to be a Panasonic Lumix digital camera. They are capable of pretty high rez images with considerable detail. They can also pretty easily be converted to record in a variety of wavelengths outside the human visible spectrum. However, I would imagine the photo is from a private companies marketing program. Everyone seems to be making robo drone thingies now, which means we commoners may come up with our own drone devices. The government will surely restrict the private use of drones in 3, 2, 1.......

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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Phone surveillance, e-mail surveillance, video surveillance .. yawn. When do they finally take DNA-samples from every citizen?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Yardfarmer
Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Flammonde
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Perhaps we lost the country at it's birthing as a Federal system insted of a Confederal system.   The anti-Federalists read the same history as the Federalists and arrived at a different conclusion.  That they lost the argument is not an argument against them being in the right.  During the period of debate over the ratification of the Constitution, numerous independent local speeches and articles were published all across the country. Initially, many of the articles in opposition were written under pseudonyms, such as “Brutus”, “Centinel”, and “Federal Farmer”. Eventually, famous revolutionary figures such as Patrick Henry came out publicly against the Constitution. They argued that the strong national government proposed by the Federalists was a threat to the rights of individuals and that the President would become a king. They objected to the federal court system created by the proposed constitution. This produced a phenomenal body of political writing; the best and most influential of these articles and speeches were gathered by historians into a collection known as the Anti-Federalist Papers in allusion to the Federalist Papers. (Summary by Ticktockman)  http://librivox.org/the-anti-federalist-papers-by-patrick-henry/  Then of course from a French perspective--

 Alexis de Tocqueville 
"After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small, complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."
Wed, 06/19/2013 - 16:17 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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indeed. The entire concept of the nation-state is a failed economic model, a failed political model and is suitable mostly for harnessing the resources of the people to concentrated efforts of war.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment mogul rider
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I wonder if they follow Rick Santelli?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment Tombstone
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There is another army of drones; the millions who voted for Obummer.  They are the slaves that report directly to the politburo in Washington.  Yes, master; command me...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment PT
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Why TF would anyone ignore the Bible these days?

Bible
Revelations 9: 1-11

9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

Okay, okay, maybe the drones are scarier.  Plus many people have already had to put up with them for more than 5 months. 
 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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I cetainly hope you are not serious. I mean really. Grimm's fairy tales have every bit as much credibility as the bible. Revelations was written by John. Not John the baptist. Not John the apostle. John the wandering nut job. He wandered the land and wrote tin foil hat like letters to various church official types at the time. They put his looney tunes letters together and made the book of revelations out of them to scare the sinners into forking over their meager funds in an attempt to buy their place in heaven. Very similar to today's church scams. Do some research and you will find this to be true. I'll bet he was a load of fun at parties and had the best dope around.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:14 | Link to Comment PT
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Hi Toolshed

Yes, Job was "just a nutter" who somehow spoke of crap that was really weird 2000 years ago but somehow seems alot less weird today, especially when scientists are hell-bent on inventing stuff remarkably similar to what he raved on about.

I have learnt to appreciate the views of some "heathens", esp. some here on ZH.  Some who I first thought were idiots turned out to have good evidence to back their beliefs.  I have some beliefs that cannot be changed ( at least without a mind-numbing, pain-inducing amount of argument ) but I have zero interest in denying truth.  I confess to a woefully deficient knowledge of history, both modern and ancient and I appreciate pointers in the right direction.  But really, how much different is the "locusts" from the drones?  How different is the mark of the beast from RFID and credit card technology?  What could kill all the fish in the sea today?  Over fishing?  Fukushima Radiation?  How about 2000 years ago???  From where would you get an army of 200 million, wearing red, yellow and blue today?  What about 2000 years ago?  I see no sense in pretending John didn't mention these things.

Out of all the different races, why did Hitler choose to pick on the Jews?  A while ago I read Mein Kampf so I could find out.  And Hitler's description of the Jews seemed a very fitting description of the bankers of today.  How many Jews are bankers?  How many bankers are Jews?  Well, here my lack of knowledge fails me again...

Which is a long-winded way of saying hello, I don't think we'll agree on everything but I do like to learn.  I'll try not to be too annoying but I still sez them drones sound remarkably similar to zem locusts I tell yiz.  How else do yiz explain drones to 2000 years ago sheep herders?   Or maybe there is other stuff that I still don't know ... 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Toolshed
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Uh huh. Most of your questions can be answered with a bit of research.   There are, in fact, many things in the universe that lie outside human knowledge or understanding. But I guess it is easier to attribute that which is not easily understood or readily apparent to divine machinations, which is the pinnacle of intelluctual laziness. I mean why bother to try and understand the "will of god" and the workings of his "mysterious ways"? It will only make your head hurt, right?

I absolve myself of any wrongdoing by writing the above heretical comments......the devil made me do it.

P.S. Based on your criteria, I guess H. G. Wells and Jules Verne were prophets as well.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:17 | Link to Comment PT
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Yes Toolshed, I'd much rather learn the science (but I can't help being religious because I evolved that way! ).  A scientific explanation for things such as the exact value of the Gravitational constant would be more interesting than "because God deemed it so".  But when scientists contemplate such things as "Infinite parallel universes" in order to explain what they see, are they really any less ridiculous?  Yes, you can have your infinite parallel universes as long as God doesn't feature in any of them???  The joos are really sneaky becoz they evolved that way / becoz God made them evolve that way??? ( That's why it gets to a point where religious and atheist will argue till they both turn blue.  I'm not interested in making anyone turn blue. )  I have no interest in ignoring science, but these days I also have no interest in telling thousand year old religions that they are wrong, at least not until I've seen what they have to say.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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because the bible's been a load of horseshit written by child molesters in the Vatican from day one.

That's why.

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