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Guest Post: Who Are The Real Traitors?

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Submitted by Jim Quinn via The Burning Platform blog,

“I’m neither traitor nor hero. I’m an American.”Edward Snowden

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”  - Samuel Adams


There are weeks that change the course of human history. There are weeks when people must choose sides. There are weeks that expose the real American traitors. There is no middle ground in this debate. You are either on the side of freedom, liberty, truth, transparency and the U.S. Constitution or you are on the side of mindless obedience, oppression, deception, corruption and tyranny. A courageous young Millennial named Edward Snowden has risked his life and his future to expose the illegal, surreptitious surveillance programs being conducted by the United States government in clear violation of the 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The NSA, with the full knowledge of Barack Obama and Congress, has been covertly collecting phone and internet records on millions of Americans with the full cooperation of Verizon and other mega media/data corporations. Our owners have been using the U.S. Constitution to wipe their asses. The 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is so unambiguous that any intelligent politician, bright journalist or fifth grader in Miss Sabatini’s history class could interpret its meaning and intention. Our founding fathers believed in truth, clarity and simplicity. The traitorous sociopaths in control of our government today believe in obfuscation, ambiguity and complexity.


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Living Constitution?

Do you believe the mass collection of metadata information from millions of Americans with no probable cause is an unreasonable search as defined by the 4th Amendment? Do you believe the complete lockdown of one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the country and the door to door search by heavily armed government security thugs for one wounded teenager, without warrants or probable cause, was a violation of the 4th Amendment? Do you believe secretive governmental agencies have the right to partner with the biggest internet/communications/mass media corporations in the world to record your phone calls, read your emails, and monitor your internet communications under the bogus justification of the War on Terror (you are more likely to be struck by lightning twice than to be killed by a terrorist)?  Do you believe that government agencies tasked with revenue collection can be used to create an enemies list based upon whether you donated to the Ron Paul campaign, believe in liberty, or belong to a Tea Party organization? Do you believe allowing minimum wage government drones to molest little old ladies, paraplegics and three year old children, while conducting full body scans on all airline passengers really makes you safer from phantom terrorists? Do you believe having 30,000 high tech surveillance drones that can see you picking your nose in your driveway from 25,000 feet are not a violation of your privacy rights?

Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

If you answered in the affirmative to any or all of the questions above you are either a government apparatchik, someone dependent upon the surveillance state for your paycheck, a victim of decades of mind control through corporate mass media propaganda, or one of the willfully ignorant masses. Of course the ignorant masses will not be reading these questions as they are focused on the inbred royal family saga, Kim Kardashian’s bastard child pregnancy, and the upcoming episodes of Honey Boo Boo, Teen Mom, I Didn’t Know I Was Pregnant, Duck Dynasty, Real Housewives of Idiocracy or paying $200 on their plastic debt accumulator to watch multi-millionaire freaks of nature play children’s games. Those who argue the U.S. Constitution is a living document open to interpretation by the interchangeable corporate fascist parties that control the reins of power at Versailles on the Potomac are nothing but apologists for the corrupt status quo. The American people are provided the illusion of choice by their owners, but the major policies are kept intact – never ending war, never ending currency debasement, and never ending screwing of the middle class.

The revelations by Millennial martyr, Edward Snowden, about the PRISM program and the fact that the NSA harvests data directly from the servers of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, Yahoo and other corporate co-conspirators came just days after disclosure that our Orwellian trained keepers had been shredding the 1st Amendment. The Obama administration has continuously flaunted the Bill of Rights when they interfere with their mission to create a centrally planned welfare/warfare state. Republicans don’t resist Obama’s efforts on Constitutional grounds, as they have no love for its constraints either. The seizure of AP reporter phone records in an effort to uncover leaks and to intimidate the free press, monitoring of reporter James Rosen using false information to obtain a warrant, and the computer hacking of lead Benghazi CBS reporter Cheryl Attkisson are clearly violations of the 1st Amendment.

There has been faux outrage among those in the establishment. It’s nothing but a game to entertain their rabid disciples. There is virtually no difference between the pretend parties who alternately operate as figurehead leadership in Washington D.C. Both parties cooperated to crush the peaceable assembly of young people exercising their right to petition the government about the blatant criminality of Wall Street bankers. The supposed Soros inspired OWS movement was subdued by Democratic mayors using their local military police hooligans, supported by the Federal surveillance state, in cooperation with the very same criminal Wall Street banks who had destroyed the worldwide financial system in their ransacking of the nation’s wealth through a well planned and executed control fraud.

The cheerleading of this disgusting display of fascist tactics by Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News and the likes of CNN, MSNBC, and Bloomberg News told me everything I needed to know. Those within the status quo will circle the wagons whenever there is a threat to their wealth, power and control. If you make it onto the establishment’s enemies list, the Constitution will not protect you. The only true free speech is being exercised on the internet, for now. The plutocracy of wealthy corporate elite and their captured puppet politicians are attempting to crush dissent and free speech by restricting access to anti-establishment websites, introducing legislation to control the internet and as we now know hacking into sites considered enemies of the state. The guarantee of 1st Amendment protection has increasingly becoming a quaint old fashion notion in this fascist state.

First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The Constitution has been increasingly treated as an optional instructional manual by what passes for leadership in this country. An all-out assault has been waged on the 2nd Amendment by the control freaks who want to create a national gun registry so they know where to send their military assault teams when the time comes. Every assault on our liberties, rights and freedoms is done on behalf of the children. Sinclair Lewis once declared:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

He was wrong. Fascism has come to America, wrapped in fiat currency, carrying a child as a prop, in the name of the War on Terrorism. Presidents have been flaunting their disdain for Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution since World War II. The Imperial American Empire has been militarily enforcing its hegemony over the world since the 1950’s without Congress ever declaring war, as required by the Constitution. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria are just the latest victims of our hypocritical interventionist state. Our predator drones roam the skies above foreign countries murdering suspected bad guys at the whim of PS3 trained gutless techno geeks sipping a decaf on their 9 to 5 shift.  The corrupt spineless swine in Congress expose themselves as nothing more than bought off acolytes of the military industrial complex warned about by Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1961:

“This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

The citizens of this country have failed to heed his warning. We have not been alert and to describe the narcissistic, delusional, math challenged, willfully ignorant sheep, bleating for their safety and security as knowledgeable is beyond laughable. Security and liberty have not prospered together. The arms dealers formed an unholy alliance with the Too Big To Trust Wall Street banks, their sugar daddy Federal Reserve, easily bought off feckless political class, and sociopathic government bureaucrats to create this corporate fascist welfare/warfare state that has subverted our liberty while obscenely enriching the .1% who have used their unwarranted influence in a traitorous manner. The disastrous consequences for the world continue to build like the dome of a volcano before it detonates and destroys everything in a fiery swath of lava.

New Boss Same As The Old Boss

“If people can’t trust not only the executive branch, but also don’t trust Congress and don’t trust federal judges to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution, due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here.” – Barack Obama


The nattering classes who dominate the boob tube spin the storylines of their corporate clients on a daily basis, but the uncovering of the deceitful activities of the ruling establishment by Edward Snowden have exposed the truth about who runs this country. Republicans, Democrats, neo-cons, ultra-liberals, Fox News, MSNBC, the New York Times, Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal, military generals, and the government drones who monitor our phone calls, texts, emails and internet postings have all shown their true colors in the last week. They don’t care about truth, justice, or the American people. James Clapper lied during sworn testimony before Congress about spying on millions of Americans because he didn’t think he’d be caught. He was caught red handed. And no one is calling for his apprehension and imprisonment.

We are lied to, misled, misinformed, and inundated with falsehoods and propaganda on a daily basis by our leaders. The proof that we live in a plutocracy dominated by two corrupt political parties (with 250 millionaires in Congress), six Wall Street banks (JP Morgan, Bank of America, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley), six mass media companies (Comcast, Google, Walt Disney, News Corp., Time Warner, Viacom), seven arm dealers (Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrup Grumman, General Dynamics, Raytheon, L-3 Communications, United Technologies), a few politically connected mega-corporations (Exxon, General Electric, Verizon, Microsoft, Wal-Mart, General Motors, Apple, Berkshire Hathaway, IBM), and a few hundred shadowy billionaires is how they have unequivocally declared that Edward Snowden is a filthy high school dropout traitor. He has revealed secrets about how the lords of the manor keep the serfs and peasants under surveillance. Here is a smattering of the vitriol spewed about this American patriot:

“America is now a less safe place. The world is a less safe place because of what Mr. Snowden unilaterally did. He deserves to be prosecuted. I hope they find him in the hole that he’s hiding in in Hong Kong and bring him home and try him.” – Karl Rove

“I hope we follow Mr. Snowden to the ends of the earth to bring him to justice.” – Lindsey Graham

“For this, some, including my colleague John Cassidy, are hailing him as a hero and a whistle-blower. He is neither. He is, rather, a grandiose narcissist who deserves to be in prison.”Jeffrey Toobin – The New Yorker

“What he did was an act of treason.”Diane Feinstein

“He’s a traitor.” – John Boehner

“I think he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I consider him right now to be a defector.” – Peter King

“There is an obligation both moral, but also legal, I believe, against a reporter disclosing something which would so severely compromise national security.” – Peter King

“I can assure you, this is not about spying on the American people.” – Al Franken

“For me it is literally, not figuratively, literally, gut-wrenching to see this happen, because of the huge, grave damage it does to our intelligence capabilities.”James Clapper (Perjurer)

“We do not see a tradeoff between security and liberty.” – Keith Alexander – NSA Director

“The national security of the United States has been damaged as a result those leaks. The safety of the American people and the safety of people who reside in allied nations have been put at risk as a result of these leaks.” – Eric Holder

“I think he’s a traitor. I’m suspicious because he went to China. That’s not a place where you would ordinarily want to go if you are interested in freedom, liberty and so forth. It raises questions whether or not he had that kind of connection before he did this.” Dick Cheney – The Dark Lord

“And I hope that he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.” – Mitch McConnell

“Now you’ve got this 29-year-old high school dropout whistleblower making foreign policy for our country, our security policy. It’s sad, Brian. We’ve made treason cool. Betraying your country is kind of a fashion statement. He wants to be the national security Kim Kardashian. He cites Bradley Manning as a hero. I mean, we need to get very, very serious about treason. And oh by the way, for treason — as in the case of Bradley Manning or Edwards Snowden — you bring back the death penalty.”Fox and Friends

“Can intelligence operate effectively if every starry-eyed analyst feels entitled to be a self-appointed whistle-blower?” – Gary RosenThe Wall Street Journal

“Edward Snowden should go to jail, as quickly and for as long as possible.” – John Yoo – The National Review.

“I think on three scores—that is leaking the Patriot Act section 215, FISA 702, and the president’s classified cyber operations’ directive—on the strength of leaking that, yes, that would be a prosecutable offense. I think that he should be prosecuted.” – Nancy Pelosi

“Who is a journalist is a question we need to ask ourselves. Is any blogger out there saying anything – do they deserve First Amendment protection? These are the issues of our times.” – Lindsey Graham

“This lens makes you more likely to share the distinct strands of libertarianism that are blossoming in this fragmenting age: the deep suspicion of authority, the strong belief that hierarchies and organizations are suspect, the fervent devotion to transparency, the assumption that individual preference should be supreme. You’re more likely to donate to the Ron Paul for president campaign, as Snowden did. But Big Brother is not the only danger facing the country. Another is the rising tide of distrust, the corrosive spread of cynicism, the fraying of the social fabric and the rise of people who are so individualistic in their outlook that they have no real understanding of how to knit others together and look after the common good.” – David Brooks

It seems the ruling oligarchs, their mouthpieces in the mainstream media (both conservative & liberal), Machiavellian politicians on both sides of the aisle, unscrupulous military commanders and deceitful government bureaucrats have all rallied to shield their existing perverted surveillance state. These people actually believe that what is best for their own personal interests is best for the citizens of this country. There is only one Party – the Establishment Party. The smear campaign against Edward Snowden began immediately. The vitriolic accusations, venomous scorn, malicious ridicule and pathetic attempts to discredit Edward Snowden for sacrificing everything on behalf of the country he loves has revealed more truth about how the real world operates than the thousands of articles written by supposed “conspiracy theorists” over the last decade. Anyone with their eyes open and mind not controlled by the regime know the real criminals in this tragedy. Leon Trotsky, who also participated in a brutal fascist surveillance state, put it best:

“The real criminals hide under the cloak of the accusers.”

In a country where those in power encourage and participate in the plundering of people’s bank accounts by billionaires, the largest financial control fraud in world history by the biggest Wall Street banks, treating every citizen as a suspect until proven otherwise under the auspices of the ironically named Patriot Act, creating an Orwellian surveillance state of cameras, drones and snitches, torturing suspected enemies, conducting military exercises in the skies above our cities, seizing reporters’ personal records, using government agencies to harass political opponents, listening to our phone calls with warrantless wiretaps, reading our emails and texts, brutally crushing peaceful protests, attempting to disarm us, locking down an entire city and kicking doors down while searching for a hapless wounded teenager, appropriating our DNA, detaining us without charges, assassinating suspected dissidents, regulating what we can eat, drink or smoke, passing 2,500 page corporate lobbyist written bills that no one has read, using laws to enhance the wealth of the .1%, creating a tax code designed to minimize the burden on the .1%, the feeding of economic information by the Fed and Federal government to connected crony banks minutes before the public so they can pre-program their HFT computers to profit at the expense of the muppets, conducting cyber-attacks on sovereign countries and then feigning outrage when the favor is returned, and militarily intervening around the world under the false guise of strategic interests, we are supposed to trust the establishment? As we descend further into tyranny, I don’t know which is sadder – the pure evil of these men or the apathy and complacent acquiescence of the willfully ignorant masses to the methods employed by their owners. The numerous laws passed by those in power are just more proof of how corrupt our society has become.

 “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” – Tacitus

The threat of tyranny was still raw in 1975, after the Watergate cover-up, when Senator Frank Church warned about the National Security Agency:

“I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”

Again, we failed to heed his warning. We’ve crossed over the abyss and the vision of our future will be the boot of a DHS thug stomping on the face of an American citizen – forever.

True Ruling Power of Our Country

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson


Whenever I would use the term oligarchs, ruling elite, powers that be, owners, .1%, or ruling class, it always sounded too conspiratorial. But after years of reading the writings of Edward Bernays, Aldous Huxley, George Orwell, Ron Paul, George Carlin and a number of other “crazy” bloggers, while witnessing with my own two eyes what is happening in this country, I’ve come to the conclusion that our country is run by an invisible government consisting of a small cadre of rich powerful men who manipulate, obfuscate, eliminate and fabricate in their insatiable greed for glory, riches, power and control. They thought they had perfected the art of propaganda:

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.” – Edward Bernays

The disclosure of the unholy alliance of corporations and the government to secretly spy on millions of Americans, while attempting to intimidate journalists and crush dissent from political opponents, is throwing the master plan of the ruling elite into disarray. The conspiracy of silence and denial is fraying at the edges as the truth continues to leak out:

“The contents of a phone call could be accessed simply based on an analyst deciding that. If the NSA wants to listen to the phone, an analyst’s decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required.” – Democratic Rep Jerrold Nadler

There have been a few lone voices in the wilderness warning about the rise of this corporate fascist surveillance one party state, but they have been scorned, ridiculed, marginalized and ignored. It seems the libertarian minded men and women of this country have been right all along.

“We’ve slipped away from a true republic. Now we’re slipping into a fascist system where it’s a combination of government, big business and authoritarian rule, and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen. When it comes to any significant differences on foreign policy, economic intervention, the Federal Reserve, a strong executive branch, a welfarism mixed with corporatism, both parties are very much alike.  The major arguments in hotly contested presidential races are mostly for public consumption to convince the people they actually have a choice.” – Ron Paul

True liberty minded Americans and those who value freedom and the Constitution have rallied to the defense of a true patriot. “We the People” must reclaim this country from the unelected .1% who has conducted a silent coup while we were pre-occupied with our techno-narcissism and consumed by the urge to consume. We have an omnipotent outlaw government with concentrated overwhelming power. The out of control bureaucracy devouring treasure, the blood of our young, civil rights, and the Constitution will not yield of its own volition. When the government tyrants classify all of us as enemies of the state, it is time to dismantle the state and water the tree of liberty with some blood, if that is what is required.

“Perfect safety is not the purpose of government. What we want from government is to enforce the law to protect our liberties. The government does not need to know more about what we are doing. We need to know more about what the government is doing. We need to turn the cameras on the police and on the government, not the other way around. We should be thankful for writers like Glenn Greenwald, who broke last week’s story, for taking risks to let us know what the government is doing. There are calls for the persecution of Greenwald and the other whistle-blowers and reporters. They should be defended, as their work defends our freedom.” Ron Paul

The country is being run like a mafia crime family. The Don and his lieutenants operate in secrecy, eliminating their opponents, buying off the press, bribing the police for protection, running the rackets, and collecting their tribute from those that want to do business with them. They go to war against the other families whenever they want to expand their turf. The country has been captured by an organized crime syndicate and it will require an Elliot Ness type character with many strident Constitutionalists to rid the land of these evil, lawless, egocentric men. One of those evil men slithered out of his lair onto the neo-con network – Fox News – to declare Edward Snowden a traitor and spy. Mr. Snowden responded to chicken-hawk Dick “Deferment” Cheney during another freedom of the press in a foreign country event:

“Further, it’s important to bear in mind I’m being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.

Who has done more to shred the Constitution and strip us of rights, liberties and freedoms in the last thirteen years – Cheney or Snowden?

This brings us to the question of our times. Who are the patriots and who are the traitors? Those in power have been using the Bernaysian propaganda technique of conscious and intelligent manipulation of the public mind by using the corporate media to convince the distracted ignorant masses that Edward Snowden has committed treason against his country and should be punished for his crime. Interestingly enough, treason is addressed in Article III Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. 

At the same time it would make sense to define the term patriot:

A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.

Does Edward Snowden fit the definition of a traitor as described in the Constitution? The shallow vacuous pundits in the corporate mainstream media complex blather on about treason while focusing their in-depth journalism on pictures of Snowden’s girlfriend from her Facebook page. This is what passes for journalism in America today. A man uncovers the largest spying conspiracy in human history and highly paid mouthpieces for the establishment focus on pole dancing. The last time I checked, Congress hadn’t declared war on anyone, so Snowden isn’t a traitor under that clause. He must be providing aid and comfort to our enemies. Who are the enemies today? They seem to change on a daily basis. I guess since we are considered potential enemies of the state, his revelations were giving the citizens of the United States aid and comfort.

On the other hand, a patriot is someone who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice on its behalf against those who would damage or hurt that country. The government of the United States (President, Congress, Judiciary), in conjunction with their corporate, banking and media co-conspirators have knowingly and willingly subverted the Constitution of the United States and have therefore committed treasonous acts that have endangered the rights, freedoms and liberties of the people. A corrupt regime will use their thousands of laws to ensnare anyone in some violation of those laws. But at the end of the day a critical thinking individual knows right from wrong without being told by a government bureaucrat. Edward Snowden is a patriot of the highest order. His act of heroism, knowing he would be despised, attacked and hunted down by the American Thugocracy, is on par with the actions of our Founding Fathers who knew they would be hung if their Revolution failed. A true patriot must be ready to defend his country against a tyrannical government. Edward Snowden just dumped the tea into the Boston Harbor.

Edward Snowden is standing up to the autocratic powers that have seized control of our Constitutional Republic. Other patriots (Thomas Drake, William Binney, J. Kirk Wiebe, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, Aaron Swartz, Daniel Ellsberg) have sacrificed their careers and lives to reveal the truth about government corruption and malfeasance.  Ben Franklin pondered whether we could keep the Republic they had given us. He understood human nature and the likelihood that we as a people would become corrupted, vote for people who promised us the most, and would willingly sacrifice our independence, freedom, liberty and rights for the presumed safety and security of a despotic government:

“In these sentiments, sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults; if they are such; because I think a general government necessary for us, and there is no form of government but what may be a blessing to the people if well administered; and I believe, further, that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other.”

Words of a Traitor?

“…I can’t in good conscience allow the US government to destroy privacy, internet freedom and basic liberties for people around the world with this massive surveillance machine they’re secretly building.”Edward Snowden

The key terms are “good conscience” and “secretly”. Doing what is right does not mean doing what the authorities declare to be the law. Edward Snowden has a conscience. Barack Obama, Dick Cheney, James Clapper, John McCain, Diane Feinstein, Ben Bernanke, Jon Corzine, Jamie Dimon and the rest of the sociopathic criminal governing class have no conscience. Their souls are blackened with their crimes and misdeeds. In our Bizarro world, Nobel Peace Prize winners slaughter Muslim children indiscriminately with their squadrons of killer drones. Those in power are allowed to operate in the shadows, hiding anything that might incriminate them and secretly spying on millions of citizens without probable cause, while we the people have no right to privacy or freedom from surveillance in this plutocracy. We are all suspects in the eyes of the state and can be terminated at the whim of a government apparatchik:

“Because even if you’re not doing anything wrong you’re being watched and recorded. And the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently by orders of magnitude … to where it’s getting to the point where you don’t have to have done anything wrong. You simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody – even by a wrong call. And then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you’ve ever made, every friend you’ve ever discussed something with. And attack you on that basis to sort to derive suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the context of a wrongdoer.” – Edward Snowden

Our greatest fear at this point in history is the continued apathy, ignorance, slothfulness, and delusional thinking of our narcissistic populace regarding the most important issue of our time – freedom or tyranny? Will enough people stand and fight the encroaching surveillance state and the evil men pulling the levers? Change will not happen through the ballots box, as the system is rigged and the democratic process has been subverted. It will require patriots taking to the streets and more people like Edward Snowden stepping forward to lead us back out of the abyss into which we have fallen. Time is growing short. Will we rise to the occasion or will we cower and wait until the satanic Eye of Sauron turns in our direction?

“The great fear that I have regarding the outcome for America of these disclosures is that nothing will change. [People] won’t be willing to take the risks necessary to stand up and fight to change things… And in the months ahead, the years ahead, it’s only going to get worse. [The NSA will] say that… because of the crisis, the dangers that we face in the world, some new and unpredicted threat, we need more authority, we need more power, and there will be nothing the people can do at that point to oppose it. And it will be turnkey tyranny.” Edward Snowden


“I do not expect to see home again.” Edward Snowden

Over the course of decades we have allowed ourselves to be corrupted by the love of material possessions, the lure of a debt based faux wealth, the money for nothing entitlement promises of dishonorable politicians, the evil of currency debasement, the effectiveness of mass media propaganda, and the belief that we could sacrifice freedom and liberty for promises of safety and security made by a cabal of powerful rich men. Power has been concentrated into the hands of the few, who operate in secrecy and despise the people. They don’t want transparency or open debate. Freedom of speech is nothing but a thorn in their side. They believe they are smarter than the serfs and have no morality when it comes to committing illegal acts and disregarding the Constitution. They are not acting in the public interest. Their abuse of power and looting of the national wealth have put us on a path towards a bloody revolution. This is not a time for conformity, obedience or submission. It’s time to stand up and expose the evil doers. It’s time to rally around those who care about this country. Who are the real traitors? You know the answer. What are you going to do about it?

“The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are being looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care? When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media? Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.” – Ron Paul


WARNING: The National Security Agency is likely recording and storing this communication as part of its unlawful spying programs on all Americans … and people worldwide. The people who created the NSA spying program say that this communication – and any responses – can and will be used against the American people at any time in the future should folks in government decide to go after us for political reasons. And private information in digital communications may be given to big companies by the government.


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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:44 | 3673844 TruthInSunshine
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Debt, bitches. Debt is such a bitch & crushing weight that many choose death over it.

Debt. A scourge and enslaver of human souls for the Harvest Machine to liquify, continiously, mercilessly. And yet our entire economic construct is, at its very essence and core, one that is built on the NEED & REQUIREMENT for MOAR DEBT ISSUANCE, PERPETUALLY.

Fiat Money, Debt & The Cycle of Harvest

Free yourselves from the ultimate shackle of slavery & debaser of human dignity.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:45 | 3673857 sunaJ
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Who are the traitors? Well, the thing about Hegelian dialectic is that they choose the narrative. If they want to call Edward Snowden a traitor, then they chose that argument. No, the traitors are those caught up in what I fear is an ideology impervious to facts. Whether intentional or not, it is coming down, and only now are people waking to the illusions.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:57 | 3673884 max2205
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It really is too late...they will ratchet up now whether or not you voice your disgust.  There is too much invested imo

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:34 | 3673972 lakecity55
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Kill the TPP Treaty!!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:11 | 3674005 TruthInSunshine
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In the off chance anyone thinks I dropped the elephant-in-the-room debt bomb comment regarding our core economic structure in a way that didn't tie into Quinn's essay, thus being arbitrary & off topic, I maintain that the most odious "debt issue" and topic of Harvest has everything to do with Quinn's essay and is, in fact, one of our core cancers (if not the core cancer).

More of money's dark secrets this week. We begin with Edward Griffin on the connection between debt, central bankers and their direct financial interest in perpetuating war and the threat of it. We conclude by reading The Myth of Barter, chapter 2 of David Graeber's Debt, The First 5000 Years.


We start the show this week with Edward Griffin continuing where we left off last in episode #576, explaining the mechanics of the money creation process, and the relationships between governments, central banks and commercial banks, between war, debt and the profit of a few.

UG#577 - Money = Debt = War

But it's just "kooks" who buy into such "conspiracy talk," and never a highest ranked United States Marine Corps Officer (Major General was the highest possible rank at one time; the equivalent of a 4 star general today) who was as experienced and hardened in combat possessing knowledge of the real reasons we "fight":

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:25 | 3674080 Joe Sixpack
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Ok. Maybe Snowden is a hero, but as Wendy's asked 25 years ago, "Where's the beef?". We ahve seen a few interviews, and a few power point slides. Where's the torrent of information that will make clear what is happening, and how it is happening? Snowden has verified what was called conspiracy the last 10 years, and this is good. But where's the beef?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:36 | 3674113 samsara
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Sometimes you don't have to stick your hand in the wound to know Thomas.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 12:22 | 3675493 Cult of PersonALity
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nothing to see here...  (WWI, WWII-Prescott Bush etc), Korean War, Vietnam, Watergate, Iranian Revolution/Carters romp in the desert, Star Wars/Contras, Desert Storm, The Clintons - W88 plans to China, Bosnia, Waco, Whitewater, Ron Brown, TWA #800, alleged IRS abuse, missing docs,et al, 9/11, Iraq (again....  still), Afghanistan, homeland security, TSA, ...... 

move along  (past birth certificate controversy, fast and furious, alleged IRS abuse, NSA/CIA/FBI "monitoring"  etc.)

ask not what your country can do for you, but what your country can do for me

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:11 | 3674179 Kirk2NCC1701
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Good one.  This classic clip by George Carlin is the perfect complement:


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:40 | 3674373 Spanky
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+1 TruthinSunshine

For Smedley...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 08:06 | 3674649 BoNeSxxx
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Good to see you back TIS.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:48 | 3674002 bunnyswanson
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Convenant of League of Nations

Article 24

"There shall be placed under the direction of the League all international bureaux already established by general treaties if the parties to such treaties consent.

All such international bureaux and all commissions for the regulation of matters of international interest hereafter constituted shall be placed under the direction of the League.

In all matters of international interest which are regulated by general conventions but which are not placed under the control of international bureaux or commissions, the Secretariat of the League shall,

subject to the consent of the Council and if desired by the parties,

collect and distribute all relevant information and shall render any other assistance which may be necessary or desirable.

The Council may include as part of the expenses of the Secretariat the expenses of any bureau or commission which is placed under the direction of the League."

This is not their first attempt to centralize authority by creating chaos first.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:55 | 3674019 BoNeSxxx
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League of Nations was their first attempt.

WWII and the United Nations was (is) their 2nd.

This is the final push.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:26 | 3673957 Chuck Walla
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an ideology impervious to facts

It is impervious to facts because there is more wealth and power in playing along than trying to do what is right.  Where did truth ever get Trotsky?



Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:35 | 3674299 JOYFUL
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While I'm glad that Jim Quinn still wakes up in the morning with a sense of disquiet about the way things be...

the endless repetition of the putative villains behind the curtains...

The arms dealers ... the Too Big To Trust Wall Street banks... their sugar daddy Federal Reserve... easily bought off feckless political class, and sociopathic government bureaucrats to create this corporate fascist welfare/warfare state...

has to be described as palliative care for the victims... rather than taking the fight to the real enemy. It's not allowed for you to do that... I understand Jimmy. So let me try to help out.

1.Attorney General – Michael Mukasey
2. Head of Homeland Security – Michael Chertoff
3. Chairman Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Richard Perle
4. Deputy Defense Secretary (Former) – Paul Wolfowitz
5. Under Secretary of Defense – Douglas Feith
6. National Security Council Advisor – Elliott Abrams
7. Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff (Former) – “Scooter” Libby
8. White House Deputy Chief of Staff – Joshua Bolten
9. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs – Marc Grossman
10. Director of Policy Planning at the State Department – Richard Haass
11. U.S. Trade Representative (Cabinet-level Position) – Robert Zoellick
12. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – James Schlesinger
13. UN Representative (Former) – John Bolton
14. Under Secretary for Arms Control – David Wurmser
15. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Eliot Cohen
16. Senior Advisor to the President – Steve Goldsmith
17. Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary – Christopher Gersten
18. Assistant Secretary of State – Lincoln Bloomfield
19. Deputy Assistant to the President – Jay Lefkowitz
20. White House Political Director – Ken Melman
21. National Security Study Group – Edward Luttwak
22. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Kenneth Adelman
23. Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) – Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
24. National Security Council Advisor – Robert Satloff
25. President Export-Import Bank U.S. – Mel Sembler
26. Deputy Assistant Secretary, Administration for Children and Families – Christopher Gersten
27. Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development for Public Affairs – Mark Weinberger
28. White House Speechwriter – David Frum
29. White House Spokesman (Former) – Ari Fleischer
30. Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board – Henry Kissinger
31. Deputy Secretary of Commerce – Samuel Bodman
32. Under Secretary of State for Management – Bonnie Cohen
33. Director of Foreign Service Institute – Ruth Davis

•Senator Barbara Boxer (California)
•Senator Benjamin Cardin (Maryland)
•Senator Russ Feingold (Wisconsin)
•Senator Al Franken (Minnesota)
•Senator Dianne Feinstein (California)
•Senator Herb Kohl (Wisconsin)
•Senator Frank Lautenberg (New Jersey)
•Senator Joe Lieberman (Connecticut) (Independent)
•Senator Carl Levin (Michigan)
•Senator Bernard Sanders (Vermont) (Independent)
•Senator Charles Schumer (New York)
•Senator Ron Wyden (Oregon)

•Representative Gary Ackerman (New York)
•Representative John H. Adler (New Jersey)
•Representative Shelley Berkley (Nevada)
•Representative Howard Berman (California)
•Representative Steve Cohen (Tennessee)
•Representative Susan Davis (California)
•Representative Eliot Engel (New York)
•Representative Bob Filner (California)
•Representative Barney Frank (Massachusetts)
•Representative Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona)
•Representative Alan Grayson (Florida)
•Representative Jane Harman (California)
•Representative Paul Hodes (New Hampshire)
•Representative Steve Israel (New York)
•Representative Steve Kagen (Wisconsin)
•Representative Ronald Klein (Florida)
•Representative Sander Levin (Michigan)
•Representative Nita Lowey (New York)
•Representative Jerry Nadler (New York)
•Representative Jared Polis (Colorado)
•Representative Steve Rothman (New Jersey)
•Representative Jan Schakowsky (Illinois)
•Representative Adam Schiff (California)
•Representative Allyson Schwartz (Pennsylvania)
•Representative Brad Sherman (California)
•Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida)
•Representative Henry Waxman (California)
•Representative Anthony Weiner (New York)
•Representative John Yarmuth (Kentucky)

What do all these upstanding "public servants" have in common? *no it's not a 'religious affiliation' issue... it's a citizenship issue. These people direct Merikan domestic and foreign policy... but are citizens of a middle eastern state.  Is it "racist" to discuss it's national security implications? Or "Anti-semitic?" Or what?

C'mon... step right up here... apologists of the moneypower... and tell us exactly why we should not discuss the fact as disclosed?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:43 | 3674308 boogerbently
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....middle eastern state?

Shouldn't barrys name be there?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 09:50 | 3675004 FeralSerf
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Barry Soetoro is only a citizen of Indonesia.  Indonesian law does not permit dual citizenship.   Barry is an illegal immigrant of this country.  He has no legal right to be here.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 12:24 | 3675562 Cult of PersonALity
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@ booger

A:  What is IzreAL

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:24 | 3674329 Spanky
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Good post. Interesting.

•Senator Al Franken (Minnesota) -- this might explain what happened to him...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 09:46 | 3674994 FeralSerf
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Are you doubting their loyalty to the American people and the good old US of A?  These fine upstanding citizens of You-Know-Where that has banking secrecy for them and no extradition?  Them?


Yeah, me too.  Why do they have, need or want dual citizenship if they've anchored their boat on this side of the pond and are pretending to represent us that have only one passport? 


"Is it "racist" to discuss it's national security implications? Or "Anti-semitic?" Or what?"

It's uncomfortable.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 10:28 | 3675124 Spanky
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It's uncomfortable. -- FeralSerf

For whom?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 12:33 | 3675588 El Diablo Rojo
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Well Joyful,


You are right to name the tyrants, but are wrong on your conclusion, and your racist rants. 


The mafia out of Sicily is made up entirely of Italian tyrants that hurt not only others but fellow Italians.  Based on your argument we should refer to all mobsters as Italians and put the blame of the murders, extortion, racketeering, money laundering, and various other crimes on all Italians, specifically the entire country.  What less than 1% of Italians have done as mobsters should be blamed on the entire country and their fellow countrymen including those who are directly hurt by them.  All of Italy should answer for the crimes of these men, after all they are Italian.


Rothschild didn’t care if he hurt Jews or not, they too have suffered from his hand more so than any other race/ creed.  Why should people of Jewish heritage be blamed for what this psychopath and his associates have done?  Only a narrow minded individual blames group for an individual’s actions.  Let the actions of the individual be judged.


I am for prosecuting these men and women in your list, but to go into the barrios and pull anyone with a Yarmulke out of his house, brand him and prosecute him for crimes based on heritage makes you a sociopathic tyrant as well.  Based on your arguments YOU belong on this list, regardless of your heritage/ race/ religion.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 13:27 | 3675784 JOYFUL
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I am attending to your expansion upon the term 'racist rant'...

don't hold back... you have our attention.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 13:47 | 3675872 jaxville
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  There is something else they all have in common. Every last one of them needs to be summarily executed to begin the long process of restoring decency to America. Make sure that their bretheren in the entertainment industry as well as education and financials are not overlooked. Those who betray common decency are every bit as deserving as capital punishment as those who have betrayed their nation.


  Now that's the happiest thought I will have today ....   SIGH!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:48 | 3673860 smlbizman
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"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 63) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency." - Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973


sounds very much like today...whodathunk

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 08:10 | 3674661 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency..."

Yes, and I have been aware of this for some time.

And since when does a Statute and/or and Executive Order modify or supercede the Constitution?

"They" have warehouses full of bombs and ammo and we have peashooters and they are trying to take away our peas!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:12 | 3673915 mess nonster
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Fuck Bernanke!

Oh, sorry, wrong thread....

Fuck Obama!

Yeah, not quite the right ring to it...

Fuck the NSA!

Well, how many times have they heard THAT?

Fuck McCain and Graham!

Yeah, well, they fuck each other. I'm pretty sure Graham is the bitch.


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:25 | 3673953 ISEEIT
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Maybe even in the same room with 'reggie and the 'man' hisself?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:33 | 3673970 lakecity55
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Miss Lindsay: "OMG, Barry, may I have some dark meat?"

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:18 | 3674284 Colonel Klink
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How about just fuck'em all!  They're all part of a tyrannical feral government.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:41 | 3673849 One And Only
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Fuck Obama.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:52 | 3673876 espirit
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The Globe say's that's what his blond hooker is doing, and lizard lady is furious.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:14 | 3673924 0b1knob
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More like "body man" Reggie Love or "Associate Director of the Office of Public Engagement" Kal Penn.

Obama like to get some man sex on the down low.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:15 | 3673927 otto skorzeny
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Does she have a penis?.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:21 | 3673938 ISEEIT
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What sort of basket case trolls this site who essentially give 'obama' (what ever the fuck that is) an up by downing a "fuck obama" comment?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:31 | 3673968 lakecity55
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And, Buck O'Fama!

"Hey, Rocky, lookit the hand up my ass!"

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:42 | 3673851 JJ McApe
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snowden is a hero.

the next step is to end the fed and the tyranny of the financial elite.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:45 | 3673855 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Who shot down TWA flight 800?  Thats another tin foil hat conspiracy that will become conpiracy fact.  Didn't blow up because of an empty fuel tank according to whistleblowers.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:23 | 3673946 FeralSerf
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The US Navy shot it down with a submarine launched missile that locked on the wrong target. Those fucking idiots were playing their war games too close to the JFK departure path. There is little doubt at this point.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:33 | 3673961 TruthInSunshine
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What a tangled web they weave...:


Former investigators dispute official finding of what doomed TWA Flight 800

Six people who investigated the 1996 crash of TWA Flight 800 are saying the government's official report of the incident is a fabrication.


Jim Speer, then an accident investigator for the Airline Pilots Association, said his examination of the wreckage found holes in the right wing consistent with those that would have resulted from a high-energy blast. When a test for explosives that he requested came back positive, he said, he was "physically removed" from a room by two CIA agents, reported.

Skeptics have long theorized that TWA Flight 800 was brought down by sinister forces.


They include Hank Hughes, who served as a senior accident investigator with the NTSB and helped reconstruct the aircraft. Others include Bob Young, a TWA investigator who participated in the investigation, and Jim Speer, an accident investigator for the Airline Pilots Association.


"These investigators were not allowed to speak to the public or refute any comments made by their superiors and/or NTSB and FBI officials about their work at the time of the official investigation," a news release announcing the documentary said.


"They waited until after retirement to reveal how the official conclusion by the (NTSB) was falsified and lay out their case."




Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:44 | 3673994 Big Corked Boots
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My memory is rusty - but didn't that flight have 30-40 members of the Egyptian air force on it? Coming back from a training mission?

Somebody refute me if I'm wrong. The meds are burning holes in my brain.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:04 | 3674034 TruthInSunshine
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I'm not sure about the makeup of the passengers in terms of nationalities, but I do remember MANY witnesses to the disaster literally prepared to swear under penalty of perjury, and provide sworn testimony, that they definitely witnessed a missile strike the plane in real time (and being casually dismissed as "mistaken"):

Pierre Salinger Claims Navy Missile Shot Down TWA Flight 800. Friday, November 8, 1996. By Jocelyn Noveck Associated Press Writer. CANNES, France (AP)


TWA Flight 800 was en route from JFK Airport in New York to Paris, France, when it exploded and crashed off the coast of Long Island, killing all 230 people on board. From the very beginning, there were some who speculated that the plane was the victim of a terrorist attack, leading the FBI to conduct its own criminal investigation. Among the possibilities that were suggested as the cause were a bomb in the cargo hold, or an anti-aircraft missile. Several witnesses even claimed they saw an object or streak of light that looked liked a missile or rocket moving toward the plane before it exploded.


The final NTSB reported said that faulty wiring connected to a central fuel tank caused a blast that destroyed the fuesalage, however, there were still many skeptics and conspiracy theorists who have long doubted that official story. In one particularly famous example, Pierre Salinger, a former Press Secretary for President John Kennedy and reporter for ABC News, claimed he'd seen proof that the U.S. Navy shot down the plane and then covered it up.

TWA Flight 800 Investigators Claim the Official Crash Story is a "Lie"- The Atlantic Wire
Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:40 | 3674303 boogerbently
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My main complaint is that we've had a team of HOW MANY govt. employees playing TWA jigsaw puzzle for the last 17 YEARS ?!?!

NO....NO, I DON'T need "closure" that bad.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:38 | 3673978 Spanky
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Sorry, I highly doubt that... for a number of good reasons including the words, Stinger and blowback...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:02 | 3674033 FeralSerf
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One of the enlisted (retired) submariners that was there spilled the beans. He retracted and refused to say anything after a visit from Navy brass telling him that his retirement pension was going to be taken away.

Research it. Many of the reports have been expunged, but there's probably some left. It was within the last year. I remember it well.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:05 | 3674247 Spanky
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I've read it and still seriously doubt it was a Navy missile.

Could it have been? Yes.

But given all three "ships" were boats, makes me think it highly unlikely, unless the missile was shoulder-fired by a sailor on deck or the sail (bridge). If underway, the deck is awash. The only other unit capable was the Orion (AIM-9). This of course begs the question of still other units...

As for all the hush, hush? The senior chief said they, he and the officer of the watch, saw "something" fly up from about a mile away and hit the plane. A missile. Probably shoulder-fired from a small boat. Thus his story contradicts the official version. Damn right his old skipper got on the horn... boat crews are tight.

From the way he danced around "something", I'm guessing that is what they were specifically ordered not to disclose.

But the tell here is the crash animation video. Was the NTSB incapable, incompetent or honest?

Moreover, the entire Salinger episode reeks. It was a twofer -- Navy (which got the blame for being in the wrong place at the wrong time) gets "cleared" and the company gets a bit of retribution in his hang out. Why? Ask Pierre.

IIRC, much concern was expended in the early to mid-nineties over some weapons we supplied the mujahadeen: Stingers. Much intrigue... Some were found, others re-purchased. Some wound up in China, the -stans, and India. Copies were made.

And a some were never accounted for...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:13 | 3674275 TruthInSunshine
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Maybe it was a botched false flag operation.

I say this in terms of pure speculation, but with each passing day, more and more surreal, criminal and bizarre possibilities, perpetuated by our own government, become possibilities in my view (Operation Northwoods, anyone?).

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:28 | 3674304 Spanky
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Why at the shoreline?

If an assassination (bomb), set it to pop mid-ocean -- no evidence.

If a false flag, what was the object? Why a fuel tank explosion? That's an accident. A false flag "terror attack" is a well publicized event... deliberately so. Why cover it up?

Because it was a real attack, made by ex-mujahedeen fighters, using a company furnished Stinger. Blowback.

What public reaction would you expect if this became known? Not to mention airline stocks...

[Edit] BTW, note the skipper is not listed among the officers. Hmmm. Wanna bet he got a gold star?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:27 | 3674564 Singelguy
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If it really was a terrorist attack and it was made public, the flying public would have paniced forcing the government to spend billions on ABM systems at every major airport in the country. Covering it up was a "feel good" measure just like the establishment of the TSA after the 9/11 attacks.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 10:02 | 3675051 FeralSerf
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It's very unlikely that the missile was a Stinger or something similar because there was no missile damage to any of the four engines, the main source of heat that would attract such a device.  The missile clearly passed through the cabin of the aircraft from the forensic evidence.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 10:46 | 3675178 Spanky
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Not necessarily, if it's fired on-coming (target aspect). But, I do not know what happened for a fact. Just ghost stories 'round the campfire, and all that...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 12:35 | 3675581 Cult of PersonALity
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Q Truth in Sunshine

I'm not sure about the makeup of the passengers in terms of nationalities, but I do remember MANY witnesses to the disaster literally prepared to swear under penalty of perjury, and provide sworn testimony, that they definitely witnessed a missile strike the plane in real time (and being casually dismissed as "mistaken"):

Pierre Salinger Claims Navy Missile Shot Down TWA Flight 800. Friday, November 8, 1996. By Jocelyn Noveck Associated Press Writer. CANNES, France (AP)

Hey ...   I didn't do that.  I was in

A) Columbia University

B) Highwaii

C) Kenya

D) Suburban Chicago  "co-ALitioning"

E) All of the above

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:45 | 3673856 Fish Gone Bad
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If you are not careful, your possessions will possess you.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:53 | 3673861 optimator
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As a country, we could have had Dr. Ron Paul.  The closed society that owns us did a number on him that the electorate couldn't see through.  His only fault was his complete honesty.  Prior to that the onlly "Hero" we had before Ron was Charles Augustus Lindbergh.  We all know what Roosevelt and his advisors did to the poor guy for trying to keep us out of war.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:29 | 3674091 samsara
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Ron Paul:  The Greatest President America Never Had

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:48 | 3673863 espirit
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It's all collusion.  There is hope the traitors of our constitution will suffer at the hands of the people for those actions that betrayed the laws of our fair land.

Time to sharpen those pitchforks and ready the torches. 

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:50 | 3673868 One And Only
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James Clapper lied during sworn testimony before Congress about spying on millions of Americans because he didn’t think he’d be caught. He was caught red handed. And no one is calling for his apprehension and imprisonment.

When we lie to the government it's a felony. When a government official lies to the public it's politics.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:02 | 3673890 Bringin It
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If you give money to Israel, you get a tax deduction.  If you give money to some Islamic entity like Hezbollah you go to jail.

Rich people's money/corporate money is free speech and can not be curtailed, even in an election.  That would impinge on the 1st Amendment Free Speech Rights of the corporation.  Easy to make the case that this is bad for the health and safety of the Republic, but it goes on because these first amendment rights of the wealthy can not be constrained in any way.

On the other hand, if someone wanted to send a donation to Hezbolla because they're saving Lebanon from the cannibals, they'd go right to jail.

How weird is that?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:05 | 3673895 Bringin It
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A guy went to jail in NY because he helped a neighbor get Al-Manar or something on his TV via satelite.

That's freedom???

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:14 | 3673917 otto skorzeny
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Then Comcast should be jailed for providing access to CNN.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:05 | 3673896 otto skorzeny
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weird is not the word- completely fucked up is more appropriate

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:31 | 3673964 Oldballplayer
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I don't know know why you should get a tax break for giving money to anyone, anywhere.

Except if you want to give money to me.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:51 | 3673873 Bringin It
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Because you can not tell the players w/o a score card, some of you more recent arrivals may not realise that our hero author here, JQ is ... ready for it ... a 9/11 truth denier.

His job is to rope in the doggies who've strayed far from the fence.  Range Rider JQ.

True to form, he'll respond, if at all in some ad homenim, but it's really pretty straight forward.  Just ask him.


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:17 | 3674064 johnQpublic
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and down arrows from those who do not recognize this truth

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:27 | 3674086 samsara
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It doesn't matter either way.  


People are affected and start Thinking For Themselves in ways uncontrollable to JQ or anyone else.  As people's mind expand with a new way of looking at it all,  they can't be bent into thinking the old way anymore.   It's a one way valve.

So JQ's stuff helps regardless or inspite of his personal understanding of 911

The impact is made regardless.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:05 | 3674347 Spanky
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Well said.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:50 | 3673874 Seize Mars
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Seize Mars is not happy.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:07 | 3674349 Spanky
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Why not happy, Seize Mars?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:11 | 3674351 Inthemix96
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Inthemix96 shares Seize Mars' sentiments.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:52 | 3674375 Spanky
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Seize Mars and Inthemix96 unhappy... Me too.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 21:57 | 3673880 otto skorzeny
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My problem with the US Constitution's definition of treason is that "making war"(violence) seems to contradict many of the Founding Fathers' beliefs that  despots can only be toppled by force- for example- Jefferson's quote on refreshing the tree of liberty with blood. Franklin realized that eventually a reset would have to happen.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:08 | 3673903 Bringin It
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Too me, it's pretty simple Otto.  When the government is lawless, what laws apply?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:49 | 3674407 Spanky
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Two different kinds of treason.

First, that of a wartime spy.

Second, that of a man or cabal intent on violating our rights and reducing us to servitude.

The government is not party to the Constitution. Our Constitution is a social contract between you and I, and every other American citizen. Governance, and how it will be conducted, is the subject of the Constitution.

Government cannot simply alter the Constitution at will, nor can it suspend or annul it. Only citizens are party to the Constitution and only we can alter or abolish it at will.

It all hinges on our consent. Fuck 'em. Take yours back.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:23 | 3674552 Sandmann
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Wartime Spy ? You mean Harry Hopkins, Harry Dexter White ? You have read the Venona Transcripts ?

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:50 | 3675233 Spanky
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[Edit] My apologies for short-changing your answer earlier. No time. 

My answer should have been, yes, I think so, but it was a long time ago.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:00 | 3673888 americanpatriot
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snowden traitor?  I ll way that out till I get Biden in a court for telling the media about team seal in my little pea brain that is being a traitor for the vice presdient giving top secret information t the world....but who says shot gun Joe is smart.....obozo doesnt think so

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:07 | 3673902 rsnoble
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I think it's more so on a path to WWlll.  Revolution is just a sidenote.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:11 | 3673909 Bringin It
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Maybe Zato will run out of fungible paper first.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:12 | 3673916 Atomizer
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It’s the same futurist I’ve been warning about over the years on ZH. Someone’s brains will be presented to the handler’s on a silver plate. [Fictional scenario] This becomes another national security issue once a central planner member is taken down.



We'll be uploading our entire MINDS to computers by 2045 and our bodies will be replaced by machines within 90 years, Google expert claims

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:27 | 3673958 lakecity55
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No thanks.

Sounds like an episode of the Twilight Zone.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:46 | 3673919 Widowmaker
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According to the NSA, to be effective one must shut the fuck up and act.  Don't talk - act.

Money doesn't make anyone bulletproof.

The only thing "politicians" fear is action.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:05 | 3674262 Kirk2NCC1701
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" be effective one must shut the fuck up and act.  Don't talk - act."

That is how our corporations and government were hijacked in the first place:  by stealth, secrecy, cunning, collusion in ever higher places, as these people ratcheted their way up the food chain.  I.e. by the Dark Arts, using the principles of Macchiavelli's "The Prince", Sun Tsu's "The Art of War" and Von Clausewitz's "On War".  They've also added Nazi propaganda and organizational tools to that arsenal since then.  And when digital technology and the internet came along, the Terminator ideas (SkyNet, drones) was also added.

They have taken over and evolved, we have not.  We all need lessons in the proverbial Defense Against the Dark Arts.  We need our own private clubs with layers of promotion.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:10 | 3674321 Spanky
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Ask and ye shall receive.


The short list:


Agents of Repression, Ward Churchill

Who's Running America, (series) Thomas Dye, Phd

Tragedy and Hope, Carroll Quigley, Phd

In the Spirit of Crazy Horse, Peter Matthiessen

The Ordeal of Change, Eric Hoffer

On Civil Government, John Locke

The Prince, Machiavelli

The Shadow Factory, James Bamford

Spy Chips, Albrecht and McIntyre

The Myth of Democracy, Ferdinand Lundberg

The Merchant Bankers, Joseph Wechberg

Information Warfare, Winn Schwartau

Wealth and Democracy, Kevin Phillips


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:14 | 3673923 Big Corked Boots
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What's all this noise about? The press tells me Obama is paying for his bad behavior with poor popularity numbers. It seems one of his core support groups, young, inexperienced voters, are becoming disillusioned. There. He's not loved as much. That'll turn him around.


Also, I've got to get to the doctor. It seems my SSRI meds aren't working like they used to.... The weight of the world is Just, So, Much, Heavier, lately....


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:44 | 3673929 Widowmaker
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Traitor - spelled O-B-A-M-A


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:18 | 3673931 bluskyes
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When I see reports of what the TSA is doing, ammo purchases, or the NSA's paranoia regarding citizen's activity, I take slight comfort from Thomas Jefferson's observation:

“When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.”

It shows that the government is still afraid.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:23 | 3673945 otto skorzeny
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afraid- but well armed.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:07 | 3674045 JohnG
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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:29 | 3674092 gnomon
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No fear here, just resolve.

I am on the list.  I am dead already.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 11:50 | 3675472 JimBowie1958
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I am on the list.  I am dead already.

No, you may not realize it yet, but you are alive more than most....

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:26 | 3673956 lakecity55
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Very much so.

And, we OUTNUMBER them.

If they attack us, we will put their heads on pikes.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:44 | 3673992 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

As Solzhenitsyn suggested.  We take at least one fo them with us, pretty soon TPTB run out of fodder.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:23 | 3674075 GoingLoonie
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Whoooooo!  Who said that?  You just made "The List."

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:02 | 3674162 Bringin It
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And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 11:48 | 3675468 JimBowie1958
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thank you

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:55 | 3674016 Spanky
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I, for one, do not fancy another "brother against brother" bloodbath.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:03 | 3674163 Bringin It
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My brothers don't fight me.  They know they'd lose.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:05 | 3674346 SilverSavant
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Don't you understand, it is not in your hands if you have a bloodbath.  The only choice at this point is who's blood will be shed.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:10 | 3674350 Spanky
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Yours and mine.

We're all Americans here.

Divided? Yes. But Americans nonetheless.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:41 | 3674366 fuckitall
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"And, we OUTNUMBER them."

Seems there's as much delusion on ZH as anyplace else.

No you don't outnumber them.   They outnumber you 10 to 1.  

I'm talking about govt folks ready to point weapons at you and shoot you vs you folks ready to point weapons at govt and shoot them. 

It's easily 10 to 1.  Maybe 100 to 1.

Because they wouldn't lose anything.  Might even be promoted.   But you would lose everything, end up in prison or dead. 

That's why less than 1% of "patriots" and/or gun owners would actually pick up weapons and go fight govt.   Less than 1/10 of 1%.  Less than 100,000 most likely.  Maybe not even 50,000.    Against 4 million, way more if "contractors" brought in.

That 400 million guns you people keep talking about are worthless.  Not even 50,000 of you would actually lock load and get it on with govt.

And they won't attack you.  Not collectively.  Because there won't be any "collective" of you to attack.

Just one by one as you individually "get out of line".  And there won't be many of you doing that.  You have too much to lose. 

Hell, your wives wouldn't even let you.  "No, you are NOT taking that rifle and going ANYWHERE, I'm not about to lose everything we've worked for so you can go play 'patriot' and wind up in prison (or dead)".

So yes, whine and bitch and make empty threats on blogs is all you'll ever do.   There will be NO so-callled "revolution".

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:00 | 3674382 Spanky
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Aim low boys, they're ridin' ponies.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 11:58 | 3675508 JimBowie1958
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No you don't outnumber them.   They outnumber you 10 to 1. 

You dont know what the hell you are talking about.

In terms of who is ready to act right this moment, yes, the numbers are insignificant, but THAT IS WHY NOTHING SHOULD HAPPEN NOW. We do not have a majority of people because we do not yet have just cause on our side for revolt. If we hold the line and refuse to take up violence against our government unless it becomes unavoidable, our numbers grow as more and more people become exposed to the outrageous acts of a government bent on tyrany IF the government truly is. So far they have a plausible cover story, but if they are truly bent on a dictatorship it will become obvious as the fascists have to step out into the daylight.

Then EVERYTHING changes. We become the majority among those aware, and large numbers of the governments own agents will turn on the government and help to bring it down. The couch potatoes will remain what they are and are of no value for consideration anyway; just factor them out. They are useless to both sides.

But this wont ever happen under the leadrship of a bunch of McVeighs and Brave Heart wannabes.

The best way for this to be resolved is through the voting system and we should continue that course with all our might till the government leaves us no choice, and there are many alternatives that avoid violence.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 13:27 | 3675727 fuckitall
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Another one of those "some day" types.

Like I said, delusion not revolution.

Thanks for proving my point.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 19:10 | 3677199 Spanky
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There's wisdom here, but...

It depends on how you define "nothing" and "now".


We do not have a majority of people because we do not yet have just cause on our side for revolt. -- JimBowie1958

You're wrong. We've got plenty of just cause right now. But, in addition to being locked out of their MSM, we have no coherent message or voice (other than viva là revoluciòn!).

If you want to beat the elite, you'd better start shaping other people's expectations and getting them on board. Otherwise, the next false flag will target you and their "awakening" either managed or postponed by the usual suspects.

In the face of a forest fire, you either run or fight back, there is no standing still.


The best way for this to be resolved is through the voting system and we should continue that course with all our might till the government leaves us no choice... -- JimBowie1958

While I certainly agree we must use the ballot box, I cannot agree with till the government leaves us no choice, Jim. We need to act poste haste. Next election, if we make it till then. I argued for revoking our consent last election, but... fuck it, apparently financial, economic and social conditions ain't bad enough... Tea Party went corporate and Graeber fucked Occupy...

But what's the forecast? We must front-run it creatively.

It's how we use the ballot box that counts. We ought be actively setting their agenda. Normative politics without the drag of weak candidates -- force their candidates to argue against the Constitution. Make it obvious. Make it educational. Make it funny. Take it viral.

Strategy. Otherwise you risk becoming the elite's newest manichean devil...

Give every citizen something they can do (read our propaganda, watch our documentaries, sing our songs, organize, rally, protest... there is much to do, both useful and busy work for the masses, but you must engage them).

Give them something familiar (Constitution).

Shield them from the street (Vote).

Make it easy for them (No Candidates, No Consent).


Then EVERYTHING changes. We become the majority... -- JimBowie1958

Only if we make it so.


P.S. And yes, Jim, you are right, if we prevail ...governments own agents will turn on the government and help to bring it down. That's the point. Government guns need to be pointing the other direction -- give the brass something Constitutional to hang their hats on...

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:43 | 3678350 fuckitall
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"If you want to beat the elite, you'd better start shaping other people's expectations and getting them on board."

Too late, you ran out of time.

And 99.99% are sheep who don't care or firmly on govt's side.

More delusion from you, not revolution.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 04:10 | 3678371 Spanky
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You may be right about running out of time.

But what we discuss is not delusion.

Unfortunately, you seem to think all power comes from the barrel of a gun. But it's always what you don't see that fucks you. And maybe it's just me, but you ain't looking too hard.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:22 | 3673934 Taint Boil
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Damn – really good post; I can not find one sentence I disagree with. These warmongering / constitution burning scum need to be dragged out into the streets and brought to the nearest guillotine.

You lay down some really good stuff Jim Quinn!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:31 | 3673966 A Lunatic
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We'll know with utter certainty that it's over when Santa Clause is on the naughty list...............

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:48 | 3674311 James
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If the American People ever wake up, and find out what the Federal Government has really done; I would not want to be in the Executive Branch. I would not want to be a Member of Congress or Senate, state or federal. I would not want to be a judge on the bench. I would not want to be a lawyer. I would not want to be even the local dog catcher. Because; The American People will round all of them up; Give them a fair trial and hang them on the Capitol Steps ."
Ex-President George Bush #41 statement after his resignation from THE CARLYLE GROUP

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:15 | 3674352 Spanky
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I'm not a big death penalty fan but, in this case, as long as it's a fair trial? I'll spring the trap.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 11:10 | 3675330 Spanky
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Ex-President GHW Bush Confirms American Nightmare


"If the American People ever wake up, and find out what the Federal Government has really done; I would not want to be in the Executive Branch.

'I would not want to be a Member of Congress or Senate, state or federal. I would not want to be a judge on the bench.

'I would not want to be a lawyer. I would not want to be even the local dog catcher. Because the American People will round all of them up, give them a fair trial, and hang them on the Capitol Steps."

...statement by former President George Bush (41) upon his resignation from The Carlyle Group.



You buried the lead James. Fixed it for ya...

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:38 | 3673977 DrData02
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Back in the days before the US lost the War on Terror these things would have been unbelievable.  Now the terrorists have driven the masses to accept tyranny.  The US Goverment embraces it. The politicians and military have abandonned--no, violated--their oaths. 

When will someone who can actually accomplish systemstic change appear?  Snowden IS a hero, and will surely be destroyed by the powers-that-be because of it.  But the conscience(s) of those in positions to set the US aright will have to cause them to act. 



Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:43 | 3674099 honestann
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The primary joke of the "war on terror" is... the terrorists all work for the predators DBA government.  The purpose of "terrorist attacks" is to give cover for the predators to overtly enslave mankind.  Nothing more.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:21 | 3674360 Spanky
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We agree.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:21 | 3674357 Spanky
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If you'd like to discuss systemic change, I'm open... Do you consent?

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 22:41 | 3673983 Captnkirk
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I quess the NSA will be knocking at my door worked for Paul and sent him money and every time some 2nd admendment group calls i ask when they plan to start the war.


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:06 | 3674024 Spanky
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Indeed with those credentials, and a concealed carry permit, you top the list.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:09 | 3674050 Cheduba
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I have never in my life read a better articulated and more concise summary of everything that is wrong with the entire world using a maelstrom of the most scathing and lyrical words in the English language all wrapped up into one glorious article.  Bravo.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:18 | 3674067 GoingLoonie
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Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:29 | 3674071 honestann
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I can only add one comment.  Human beings need to extract their brains from the fog created by endless fictions, many of which are called fictitious entities (government, corporations, organizations).

Only when a human intellect comes to understand that all these fictions are just fictions, and therefore do not exist, can a human intellect see through the fog and come to realize the core issue.


These three are real: individual human predators, individual human parasites, individual human producers.  When stripped of the endless fog of artifice and fiction, all that remains is the behavior of real, physical, individual beings on this real, physical planet, in this real, physical universe.

The predators in question are:

predators DBA government
predators DBA corporations
predators DBA central-banks
predators DBA organizations of various kinds

The predators are real.  The predators have no ethics.  The predators only have a modus-operandi, which is "get away with whatever they can".

The parasites are real.  The parasites have no ethics.  The parasites simply exchange votes for predators, sanction for predators, and support for predators... for some modest handout crumbs extorted and stolen from producers.

The producers are real.  Many of the producers tend to have an explicit or implicit ethics which unfortunately tends to shield the predators and parasites, but increasingly does nothing to shield themselves or other producers.

At core, the ethics of producers is essentially a identification of the nature of causality as applied to human action.  Something like this:

Every individual should enjoy/bare/suffer all the consequences of his own actions, and enjoy/bare/suffer zero consequences of the actions of others.

No religion required, though some less irrational religions often end up with something resembling this with diety overtones tacked on.  The fact is, ethics requires nothing more than a basic understanding of reality, namely "causality" or "cause and effect"... and its application to human actions (which are causes of effects AKA consequences).

The only war that can eliminate the problems described in this article is a war between individual producers, and individual predators.  All that abstract fictional nonsense simply protects the predators.  Until that cloak of obscurity is seen through by rational minds, the predators win, and humans are finished.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:30 | 3674096 Spastica Rex
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Dogs, Pigs, Sheep.

You and Roger Waters.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:44 | 3674129 samsara
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You are so right.  Everybody focuses on "The Corporations" or "The Government"  and sometimes mistake the Pointed Finger for the Object being Pointed at. (Like pointing out something to a cat).

There are no corporations.  They are an illlusion. A Glove,  Not a Hand.  Bring a Corp to court,  and the board of directors leave and go to other Corps(gloves)  while the bit bull of vengence continues to chew up the glove.

It's all INDIVIDUALs   

(and on the Flip side is EVERYTHING Madison, and Jefferson et al were making sure of in the beginning.  The Inalienable rightes of the Individual) 

No mention of imaginary constructs like Corps.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:32 | 3674367 Spanky
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So, and this is rhetorical challenge, what are we going to do about it?

We need a clearly defined and overarching political goal. One common point of agreement. I'm arguing Constitutional process for a number of reasons. Not the least of which is patriotic moral high ground.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 19:15 | 3677219 Spanky
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-2 ?

Shhh. Can you hear it? Baaa. Baaa.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:32 | 3674103 Element
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I'd just like to add a big ...


F U C K   Y O U   O B A M A!

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:49 | 3674142 Oldwood
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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:18 | 3674200 CitizenPete
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Fuck Them All  

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:55 | 3674156 Oldwood
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We are complicit in all of this. As Bernays tells us we are sheep to be manipulated. I have accepted this idea for years and do not excuse myself for it. But if we accept that we are being manipulated, how can we know that our current reactions are not their desired effect? Its not like reality and perception are defined by what color pill we choose.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:11 | 3674387 Spanky
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But there is a way to tell. When you encounter resistence...

When everyone repeats the same non-sense, or its conventional wisdom, or trust me... but I can't tell you why.

Do something unexpected. Change your behavior. Catch them off-guard. Use our shared heritage against them.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 10:01 | 3674606 Element
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Sorry oldwood but what the fuck does it matter what reaction they want to elicit?

Look at the streets of Brazil (Brasil ... whatever, I looked up a definition of that word and it said something about pulling pubes out with hot wax) and you see how civic and civil 'police' forces, all over the very much alleged 'free-world' (we can't call it a 'developed world' as PIGS with night-sticks, pepper spray, water cannons and tear-gas, smashing peaceful people in the face for just objecting to criminal over-reach in high-places, doesn't really signify the alleged 'civil' police and actual klepto-govt tax thieves, approximate 'developed' people) regard civic-minded 'citizens', who stupidly just want some fucking reasonableness and 'fairness' and ethical behavior exhibited in an open civil environ, by those that we fucking slave away all day and night, to provide them a fucking pay cheque.

Look at it cops are literally whipping people like animals, with night sticks and using chemical weapons, microwaves, sonic weapons adn tasers, to try and make us shut-the-fuck-up, and proceed down the chute, to boning-room destruction like good little heifers and bulls.

So how does it even matter what reaction they want to elicit, psychologically? It doesn't matter at all what they want. Stand back and look at it next time you see some criminal cunt in a police uniform whipping the little guy in the street; isn't the relationship between police, govt policy (police-ity?), and policy makers, (police-makers ... and law-breakers), more than obvious in their constant violent criminal over-reactions. Actions that would have the little guy put in prison for years if they were to ever to mimic such violent and even lethal methods upon other human beings.

But when the police enforce policy for a 'democratic' politician, it's OK to back people and gas them to the edge of death for objecting to the police violence, the stupidity of policy, and the fuckhead politicians. Constituted 'law' has become the farm, the power-elite are farmers, the politican is just the farm managers (and not very good ones), and the police are just the kapos, drawb from the livestock, 'citizens' are only the food crop, the livestock, and the production of producers is what feeds the lot of them.

Police, Policy, Politician - there's yer problem right there - 'developed-world' demockracy hasn't solved that one little bit.

So, stop producing, go on strike, down-tools citizen, run amok and say stuff like this to them;

F U C K    Y O U !


I ' m   n o t   d o i n g   a n o t h e r    t h i n g   u n t i l   t h e s e   s c u m   h a ve   b e e n   e l i m i n a t e d !


N o t   p a y i n g   t a x e s   u n t i l   b a n k s t e r s   a r e   E X E C U T E D !


N o t   c o m p l y i n g   u n t i l   a l l   F I R E   S E C T O R   d e b t s   h a v e   b e e n   t a k e n   o f f   t h e   P u b l i c - D e b t  a n d   t a x a t i o n   tab !


N o t   b e h a v i n g   i n   a   c i v i l   w a y    u n t i l   t h e   p o l i c t i a n s   w h o   a t t a c k   u s   w i t h   ' l a w '   a n d   po l i c e   a r e   E X E C U T E D !


N o t   p l a y i n g   n i c e   u n t i l   c r i m i n a l   p o l i c e   o f f i c e r s   a r e   e n t i r e l y   r e m o v e d   a n d   E X E C U T E D !


N o t   b e i n g   a   ' l a w f u l '   c i t i z e n   w h i l e   ' l a w '   i s   t h e   p r e f e r r e d   m e c h a n i s m   a n d   u s e d   a s   a n   i n v o k e d   e x c u s e   t o  e x p l o i t   a n d   d e s t r o y   c i v i l i a n s !


Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:59 | 3674158 sasebo
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I'm probably a little too old to get in on slitting their throats, dang it.

It's a tough job but somebody's gonna have to do it.

Wed, 06/19/2013 - 23:59 | 3674159 earleflorida
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the NSA has it's right foot in a 'Venus Flytrap' and it's left hand in the 'Fed's Honey-pot',...

fantastic read Mr. Quinn

as always, BRAVO!!!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:22 | 3674209 Milestones
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Mr. Quinn, One of the most thoughtful and to the heart articles I have read on ZeroHedge. Thank you greatly.        Milestones

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 00:55 | 3674246 SWCroaker
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The "defense" of the eavesdropping is that 40 to 50 some odd terrorist plots have been foiled.




But wait.  Where are the defendants from those plots?  Where are the news stories of their arrest?  Parents and friends lamenting their relatives being incarcerated?  Where are the trials?  Where is the due process?  It is extremely unlikely that 40 different actions could have been "nipped in the bud" without numerous media stories and coverage.

So the only logical possibilities:

1) They are lying about the events.

2) All of the events were nipped in the bud in other countries, and we have no media coverage from afar.  Which means the eavesdropping on American citizens here at home is entirely tangential.

3) The media looks the other way while, across America, people are seized, incarcerated, and disappeared into black holes without due process or any respect of their rights. 

The "we're doing for your own good" attempt to deflect was a major misstep.  It is an opening that can be used to unearth even worse illegal deeds, or shitcan the whole system for outright lies.  Demand Details!



Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:40 | 3674334 Element
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Whatsamada you, eh? ... Aren't immaterial and permanently utterly unverifiable and possibly entirely contrived (like that never happens!), or just plain false claims, good enough for you or something? Think you're special, eh? Does everyone have to go the extra mile, just so your precious truth-seeking crusade can tick all the little 'fact' boxes to your liking?

Buddy, ... we're watching you.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:21 | 3674287 Schmuck Raker
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I'm not comfortable naming names; suffice to say there's about 450 of them.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:17 | 3674324 Spanky
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You are low.

Consult Tom Dye.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:35 | 3674300 smacker
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"There is no middle ground in this debate. You are either on the side of freedom, liberty, truth, transparency and the U.S. Constitution or you are on the side of mindless obedience, oppression, deception, corruption and tyranny."

Very well put. But one look at the number of sheep who search the bowels of their minds for reasons to explain and justify mass surveillance under Obama and his crony government, is enough to realise that mankind is on the road to serfdom unless action is taken to bring out-of-control govenments to heel.


On a related theme, CS Gas was defined as a "chemical weapon" years ago, because that's what it is. But governments around the world choose to ignore this fact and continue to use it ever more freely, despite severe medical conditions it causes in some people. Arguably, "pepper spray" is also a chemical weapon. But it doesn't stop the likes of Obama and Britain whining about claimed use of chemical weapons by their most hated adversaries. IOW, when Western Govts use chemical weapons - that's ok.

And in Istanbul this week, it has been revealed by that Turkish police are using other chemical weapons (Jenix?) mixed into water cannon to disperse demonstrators. This leaves people with red, inflamed, itchy skin for days on end. Nobody knows the long term effects of this chemical.

Governments are out of control. The democratic model is broken.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:48 | 3674312 IndyPat
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I think they got a gas that will make you shit ur britches, too....and projectile vomit.

Can't remember what it's called though.. In any case, they use a bit of language gymnastics to get around these things. Weaponized gases as opposed to crowd control agents, less lethals (that will leave you mostly dead, one guesses) and whathaveyou..

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 01:50 | 3674313 smacker
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For many people, the yardstick used to measure a nation's societal compliance is their Constitution.  This is especially true in the United States which has a Constitution written by the founding fathers to promote liberty & freedom of the individual against tyranny of the majority or even minority. Not one drafted by slimeball political statists like in the EU. Britain does not even have a written constitution. Despite many claims by statists that we do, they have never once been able to produce it. And the laws they claim make up the British constitution (Common Law) can - and have been - easily overridden by Statute law over the centuries. The result is a nation of serfs who look to government for all their needs.

I could never ever see anyone who attempts to uphold their nation's proper Constitution as a traitor. No way. That would be bizarre. A proper Constitution is owned by the people, not by politicians, elected or otherwise. The traitors are those who subvert it and circumvent it with fallacious nonsense.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:36 | 3674368 Spanky
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Hell yeah! What he said.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 02:37 | 3674336 ebworthen
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Excellent stuff, thank you.

And fuck you NSA and debasers and debauchers of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

What to list to get noticed?  CIA, FBI, CONgress, Supreme Court, Pressure Cooker, Bomb, July 4th?


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:37 | 3674365 22winmag
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Every day, fewer and fewer people are living in denial... Revolution is indeed in the air.


Who doesn't struggle to make ends meet or knows someone who is struggling? Who hasn't been raped by some petty bureaucrat or raped by the "legal" system?


It's 2103, and I overhear droves of common folk talking about tyrrany and their rights at the checkout counter, the pizza shop, and the gas station... I know the fuze is lit.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 03:38 | 3674371 Spanky
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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:06 | 3674377 NuYawkFrankie
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Who are the real traitors?


Wlla Ts & CD

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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:54 | 3674410 beaglebog
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Imagine a Wiki-type open-source database which collected data on THEM.


Names, addresses and so forth of all the State' collaborators.


I only wish I knew how to make it happen, technically.



Thu, 06/20/2013 - 05:01 | 3674412 MickV
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Very Good Jim. You even steered clear of the notion that the United States is a “Democracy”, and specifically said that that it is a “Republic”, based on a rule of law that is the Constitution. That was a big problem with OWS, and your support of it. “This is what Democracy looks like” was a completely wrong view of the structure of the United States government. Venezuela has a “Democracy”, and the tipping point where the greater mass of people vote themselves benefits given by a tyrannical government, who give those “benefits” in order to lock in that voting block, arrived decades ago. We are at about that point right now if you believe that we live in a “Democracy”, like the OWS astroturf, a far left organized event.

No matter how many people vote, or say they want some “benefit”, it is not valid unless it comports with the Suprema Lex Constitution— the supreme law of the land. The Constitution is a LIMIT on the government, protecting our natural god given rights. The “government” does not “give” us rights, god and natural law give us those rights, and the government is supposed to protect them. Interestingly the “right to vote” is not one of those rights given by natural law. The individual states give us that right, and when given to those over 18 cannot be abridged based on sex, race or religion. So to say that the United States is a “Democracy” is pure fallacy, especially in light of the FACT that there is no “right to vote”. The founders knew that 75% of the population were idiots, and that making the structure of the US a “Democracy” would devolve into a banana republic, where a despot threw pennies to greatful masses of the poor and dumb, who votre to recieve those pennies.

No new American Revolution will occur unless we return to the Constitution, and Declaration of Independence—- ALL of it. The Supreme Court is taking away our god given rights expressed in the the 4th and 5th Amendments of the Constitution piece by piece. Recently they have ruled that the police can swab your mouth for DNA if you are arrested, even before you are formally charged with a crime. Clearly this court has gotten its marching orders to lock in the powers of the police state, and its recent decisions absolutely fly in the face of reason—- but they don’t care— words and meanings are being changed on the fly to support the massive police state being formed— they don’t hide it any more.

Of course in Admin’s “Constitutionalist” diatribe he ignores a key self executing Constitutional provision that could set this whole drama on its head.

“No person but a natural born Citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the ratification of this Constitution, shall be eligible for the office of President of the United States.” A2S1C4

You just ignore parts of the Constitution Admin. and focus on others? Why the disregard for the key constuitutional provision being violated since 2008 which has basically voided the US Constitution? Obviously the 1% think it is important, because they gave us TWO ineligible candidates in 2008 (McCain was ineligible, and not a natural born Citizen, because he was born in the PCZ). They continue to promote other ineligible candidates for POTUS and VP in Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and Bobby Jindal, all born of Non US Citizen parents. It seems they are hell bent on pushing in ineligible non natural born Citizens for a reason— and that reason is to void the US Constitution and US Citizen sovereignty. If those in the Executive Office of the US are not a legal entity, and they are the executors and administrators of the law, then there is no law, and no “Constitution”, and thus no “United States”. IT’S THAT SIMPLE. Article 2 Section 1 Clause 4 is self executing, meaning no law or statute is necessary to enforce it. The mass realization that Barack Hussein Obama, a British subject, born of a British subject father, is not even eligible for POTUS is a game changer. The 25 Amendment says that the President can be “removed”, and US Code 3 S. 19 says that removal may be because of “the inability of the person ACTING AS PRESIDENT”. Inabiity can mean many things, including “lack of legal capacity”. Imagine if We the People rose up and had this ineligible puppet of the 1% REMOVED! Obviously that would be a defining moment in history, yet Admin. poo poos any notion of the power of that event. You cannot like some parts of the Constitution and not others Jim, and you are ignoring the most important part. Are you a natural born Citizen, born in the US of 2 US Citizen parents (or a US Citizen single mother)? I sense you may not be, and that is the reason many selfishly deny the meaning of A2S1C4— because they would not be Constitutionally eligible.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. There is NO United States, since the executor of the laws is an illegal entity— thus the law is whatever evil men say it is. We the people need to rise up and yank that smug puppet of the 1% out of the Oval Office. Only then can we begin to repair the damage that these traitorous bastards have done to the Republic. Hanging some of them or all of them in the public square would be just punishment at that time, and it would be a turning point in our history. Or we can continue to look down at our Chinese slave made IPHONES while our liberty is stolen, secure in the thought that our government will “protect” us.

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