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Brazil Protests Return With A Vengeance: Up To A Million Take To The Streets

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Currently going on in Rio: three hundred thousand (expected to rise to a million) have taken to the streets in Rio in the biggest protests so far sweeping Brazil:

If the Brazilian government thought that caving yesterday to popular demands against a $0.10 bus and subway fare hike would be enough to placate the millions and see a peaceful dissolution to the protests that had gripped the country in the past two weeks, it found out in less than 24 hours that ceding to the angry mob only emboldens the public to demand more (and with a list a grievances including corruption, violence, police repression and failed politicians the list of demands is sure to escalate). Sure enough, the very next day, the public emerged with newfound energy and momentum, as 300,000 people took to the streets of Rio de Janeiro and hundreds of thousands more flooded other cities in the largest protests yet.

Reuters reports:

Undeterred by the reversal of transport fare hikes that sparked the protests, and promises of better public services, marchers demonstrated around two international soccer matches and in locales as diverse as the Amazon capital of Manaus and the prosperous southern city of Florianopolis.


"Twenty cents was just the start," read signs held by many converging along the Avenida Paulista, the broad avenue in central Sao Paulo, referring to the bus fare reductions.


In the capital, Brasilia, tens of thousands of protesters by early evening marched around the landmark modernist buildings that house Congress, the Supreme Court and presidential offices.


The swelling tide of protests prompted President Dilma Rousseff to cancel a trip next week to Japan, her office said.


The targets of the protests, now in their second week, have broadened to include high taxes, inflation, corruption and poor public services ranging from hospitals and schools to roads and police forces.


With an international soccer tournament as a backdrop, demonstrators are also denouncing the more than $26 billion of public money that will be spent on the 2014 World Cup and 2016 Olympics, two events meant to showcase a modern, developed Brazil. After the concession on transport fares on Wednesday, activist groups differed over what their next priority should be. But the competing demands of demonstrators appeared to add to the intensity of Thursday's protests.

Is a political crisis next?

The protests have shaken the once solid ground under Rousseff and her ruling Workers' Party, a bloc that itself grew out of convulsive demonstrations by Brazil's labor movement 30 years ago. Until inflation and other economic woes began eroding her poll numbers in recent weeks, Rousseff enjoyed some of the highest approval ratings of any elected leader worldwide.


The demonstrations have been largely non-violent and comprised mostly middle-class, well-educated voters who do not form the bulk of Rousseff's electoral base.


But she and her party have sought to get ahead of the complaints and embrace them as their own - a shift that contrasts sharply with a playbook that long relied on telling Brazilians that they had never had it so good. With little more than a year to go before presidential and gubernatorial elections, the unrest is forcing incumbents and traditional political parties to reconsider their strategies.


The decision to cut transportation fares illustrates what many analysts consider a reactive and contradictory response by a ruling class caught off guard.


"Were they wrong before or are they wrong now?" asked Carlos Melo, a political scientist at Insper, a business school in Sao Paulo, noting what had been a steadfast refusal to reverse a fare hike.

And hence the game theory response to popular unrest: yield to it, and it only demands more. Fight it, and generate even more animosity. Lose - lose, as Brazil is about to learn the hard way. The bigger problem, however, is that Brazil is merely the latest country in what is rapidly becoming the sequel to the Arab spring of 2011 - the Global Summer of 2013, which has so far seen protests in Greece, Turkey, Spain, Brazil, and Indonesia just to start, and all of it driven by that segment long-forgotten in a world hell bent on generating a wealth effect for those already wealthy: the youth, which has rarely had it as bad as it does now.

Going back to Brazil, here are some recent snapshots of what is going on tonight, courtesy of RT:

23:13 GMT: Riot police in the capital Brasilia have prevented a group of protesters from breaking through the police cordon towards the Congress.


Students shout slogans during a protest of what is now called the 'Tropical Spring' against corruption and price hikes, at National Congress in Brasilia, on June 20, 2013.(AFP Photo / Evaristo SA)

Students shout slogans during a protest of what is now called the 'Tropical Spring' against corruption and price hikes, at National Congress in Brasilia, on June 20, 2013.(AFP Photo / Evaristo SA)

22:45 GMT: Police fired large rounds of tear gas against protesters in the city of Campinas in Sao Paulo state in a confrontation adjacent to government buildings.

A Globo TV correspondent reported a tense situation as demonstrators faced off against riot gear-clad officer 22:23 GMT:

22:03 GMT: Police in Rio de Janeiro have already resorted to tear gas early Thursday evening to disperse a crowd making its way to city hall. Plumes of smoke could be seen on video broadcast by local TV. 

Authorities in Brazil's cultural capital expect as many as a million protesters to converge on the city, despite recent announcements by state governments to scrap plans to increase public transportation costs. Protesters intended to march on Maracana Stadium just as a Confederations cup football game was to kick off.

21:32 GMT: A huge demonstration is currently taking place in the Candelaria neighborhood of downtown Rio de Janeiro. At least 300,000 people have marched towards town hall, according to estimates by the police, who expect as many as a million protesters to gather later in the day. 

19:36 GMT: Rio de Janeiro authorities have ramped up police strength with an estimated 8,000 officers to be deployed to handle the demonstration the city’s center and security for the Spanish and Tahiti football teams. Some 1,200 riot police, armed with teargas and rubber bullets, will remain in barracks unless the protest turns violent. The increase comes after the authorities admitted they underestimated the scale of Monday's march, when only 150 officers were on duty to withstand a crowd of more than 100,000. 

15:00 GMT: Leaders in two of Brazil's largest cities reversed hikes in bus and subway fares that fueled the protests. Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro both stepped down. "This will represent a big sacrifice and we will have to reduce investments in other areas," said the Mayor of Sao Paulo, Mayor Fernando Haddad.


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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:15 | 3677357 Stoploss
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Sure, rising rates are a great idea!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:25 | 3677385 Clueless Economist
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WTF is wrong with these assholes?   They have the best football team in the world, and will win World Cup 2014.

They have the best ex_Communist bitch leader in the world.

Bunch of INGRATES!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:26 | 3677393 the not so migh...
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i downvoted you because you just annoy me Krugdouche

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:32 | 3677408 Clueless Economist
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You are correct, in my private moments, I loathe myself too.

Even though, I am Professor Paul Krugman

Nobel Winner


Ivy Leaguer

NY Times Columnist


...and All-Around Douchebag

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:44 | 3677431 Hedgetard55
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They also have train surfing, and the hottest ho's on the planet.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:03 | 3677662 toady
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Sluts are kewl

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:48 | 3678330 Boris Alatovkrap
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Protest in Brazil is just excuse for scantily clad festival participation.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 09:25 | 3678863 Pladizow
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Do they not have Snooki and dancing with the stars?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:53 | 3677627 HelluvaEngineer
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That might save you in the final days.  Maybe.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:57 | 3677462 max2205
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Geez they need snap and cellphones

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:59 | 3677469 surf0766
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There are no ex_Communists. Only dead ones.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:22 | 3677529 Freddie
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Best football team in the world?  LOL!  They will get monkey hammered by the Germans and probably Italy, Spain, Holland and even Portugal.

Still - +1 million for the Brazilian people standing up against scum politicians.  I wish Amerikkans would do that to the Teleprompter.   Maybe they can have a Samba around lamp posts with some boiled rope then put up a few politician pinatas.

Paul Kugman - all around douchebag.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:11 | 3677909 Non Passaran
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is that a white supremacist's take on World Cup 2014?

I say by 2014 half of those European teams won't be able to afford the  tickets to Brazil. Go eurocrash!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:35 | 3677978 Freddie
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No.  They just are not that good anymore and the same thing with Argentina.   I like Brazilians except they always pretend they are the best in football and they are not anymore.

The Germans are top notch and so is Spain who plays Cruyff's Dutch style of Spanish football.  Right now the Germans are playing the best football in the world followed by Spain.

I admire for the Brazilians for marching and protesting against the scum politicians.  Ditto the Turks and Egyptians.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:26 | 3678152 HulkHogan
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This isn't ESPN! Focus, bitchez.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 01:52 | 3678282 Freddie
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My bad bro.  Don't taze me bro.

Again - kudos to the Brazilians for marching against the oligarchs and politicians.  Meanwhile Americans watch NBA and the Stanley Cup while they get screwed by the NWO.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:47 | 3678037 Spanky
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I wish Amerikkans would do that to the Teleprompter. -- Freddie

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 05:01 | 3678396 Wile-E-Coyote
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Brazil have always had a shit defence, the current incumbents are even worse, they have always relied on attacking flair to score more goals than their opponent. This team is very average based on past teams. They will have home advantage next year in the World Cup, but I don't think they can win it.



Fri, 06/21/2013 - 09:59 | 3678958 PTR
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Even their own coach admitted that they don't have the caliber to win it all.  

Fine be me.


BACK ON TOPIC- I haven't gone in-depth into the actual protests and issues (outside of ZH)- do Brazilians have a "I'm owed something" mentality like the developed world?  This just has a different feel than something from Europe and I'm trying to actually educate myself.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:44 | 3677595 BandGap
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Bet you'd suck dick for pocket change Paul. You would and you know it.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:52 | 3677620 Tijuana Donkey Show
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But not gold.......

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:07 | 3678096 One World Mafia
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In order to stop inporting our inflation they must depeg from the dollar and let their currency rise.  Goodbye inflation - for them, but the US would then have one less political partner in crime to prop up its phoney economy.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 15:33 | 3680332 johny2
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Grande Brasil! When are the USA going to take away powers from the FED and the bankers?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:18 | 3677364 SheepDog-One
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WOW now THAT'S a lot of thongs in 1 place!!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:18 | 3677365 Id fight Gandhi
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Good thing they got the Olympics.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:25 | 3677386 ChaosEquilibrium
Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:26 | 3677390 blindfaith
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I dream.......

and when JP morgue no longer gets their 5% comission on each and every sale under the food stamp program...thanks to your politians...maybe, someone will get up off the couch and act like a human being.

200,000 over a green park

2,000,000 over 10 cent bus fare

hey, who won the finals.....hey...hey i am talking to you...hey!!!@!!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:37 | 3677418 HardAssets
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We're taught in the public 'schools' that the American revolution was over a few pennies for the stamp tax and a little bit higher prices for their morning cup of tea. But that wasn't the motivating reason at all.

Years later a Revolutionary War  vet was asked why they fought. He replied "they thought they should rule over us . . . and we thought they shouldn't"

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 09:23 | 3678845 e-recep
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exactly the sentiment here in turkey. it may look like people in turkey are revolting for a park but the real reason is the one in your last sentence.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:19 | 3677703 noless
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Until the petty lords are cowed to the will of the people, the understanding that "no bitch, you ain't getting rich off my back"; nothing will change.

I just can't stand all these fucking retarded slaves thinking they're making it/gonna make it, so you're my lord huh? Fucking why?

Fucking strait up.

Power hungry idiots, satiated by the robbed lives of a few, never bothering to understand that they have no real power even over their own life, except that which their masters grant them, the real few.

If you wish me to be your slave, then feel free to be mine, i prefer an even playing field however..

The saddest part is the sick desperation for respect at a job not so well done, why not just be honest? Oh, that's right, i forgot.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:26 | 3677391 Jugdish
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Add some more flouride to the water. That ought to put 'em back to sleep.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:35 | 3677414 Maos Dog
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You know, I started to become more radical after I moved to the country and started drinking well water.....

Just saying.........

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:54 | 3677628 HelluvaEngineer
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Me too.  Berkey.  Clarity.  Go figure.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:26 | 3677392 monopoly
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THAT is just what we need here. Millions marching all over the nation with 2 million marching on Washington. Until that happens......No change. Same old shit. Carry on, nothing to see. 

Then, there will be change. Not holding my breath though.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:45 | 3677435 kw2012
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careful what you ask for. Could be 20 million illegals marching in the US 

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:56 | 3677459 XitSam
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Don't worry, DHS has enough bullets for that.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:04 | 3677487 Smegley Wanxalot
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And they will use them to arm the illegals.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:28 | 3677739 Lore
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We should look for more depth to this coverage. Joe Sixpack doesn't take to the streets over a minor fee hike. Something else has been brewing, apparently for a long time. The world is watching. Official response in these first few countries will do much to set the tone for similar gatherings in other countries.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:01 | 3677481 notquantumdum
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'Good idea, to not hold breath!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:14 | 3677922 noless
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How did you feel about ows? Dirty hippies right? Sports.

There aren't people in the streets because the nsa and other agencies are explicitly destroying the lives of anyone who could lead an opposition either through direct coercion or blackmail, by means of their business or family, or by alternative methods unseen in the social fabric.

There will be no march, because the useless and petty have underhandedly grabbed the reigns.

Loki speaks in rumors, as half truths. His sons and daughters, through his wife, will ravage the land.

Until men stand and give no more to the falsehoods it will continue and then only the most conniving and useless fucks are left.

Grain of salt Bitchez!..

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 08:59 | 3678743 SheepDog-One
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They have no ObaMao phones or EBT swiping in Brazil!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:29 | 3677397 notquantumdum
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Yet another socialist / state-planning utopia-state.  "We're all socialists now," right "Newsweek"?  (Or, was that a "Time" headline?  I forget.)

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:30 | 3677398 WelfareFTW
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i dont get these peasants getting so riled up about a 0.20 increase in bus fare. what am i missing?

freebies to the sheep can't be removed.. i get that.. but all this for a few cents... insane how used to the welfare state these ignoramuses have become...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:31 | 3677401 notquantumdum
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'Tip of the iceberg.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:36 | 3677416 tenpanhandle
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after all the wool is clipped, continued shearing starts to take the skin.  ouch...sheep start bleating. 

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:35 | 3677775 CheapBastard
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I'm surprised Europe hasn't blown yet. True, isolated riots in Paris (and many other Frnch Cities like Liege), Stockholm, all over Greece, and so on , but no massive simultaneous upheaval. I think I'll take the Family to Sea World this summer instead of The City of Lights, etc ....

on second thought, Sea World has priced itslef out of the market in my $135/ticket to sea dolphins? Plus foo dinside there? Screw that!





I'm a Cheap Bastard.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:52 | 3678217 NidStyles
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Don't forget Seden, Switerland, Spain, and Italy.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 07:50 | 3678556 Ghordius
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first you'd have to realize that riots are not the same as demonstrations, aka "taking the streets" as it's happening in Brazil. politically, they are two completely different breeds

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 01:55 | 3678287 dunce
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Corrupt politicians are siphoning off billions from state owned operations like Petrobras and the people know it. The 10 cents is just the thing that everybody sees, even the people that can not figure out what is happening in the big picture.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:31 | 3677406 Seasmoke
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The police still protect the Congress. DUMB Motherfuckers

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:46 | 3677605 otto skorzeny
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the donut huffers will be the last ones to be gettin' paaaaaid by uncle sam

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 08:00 | 3678571 Ghordius
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no. you are still protecting your Congress. by not requesting a different electoral system, or not realizing that the current electoral system is corrupted

the last time this happened it was the Progressives requesting and getting an amendment, thinking that corruption would stop by that. the issue was that one man was able to bribe a whole state legislature in sending him as senator to Washington. the "fix" made things worse, then it furthered the progression from a federation to an unitary state

the very day Americans start to compare their political system with other countries, things will improve. but it needs some awareness, some will and some... disbelief in the uniqueness and exceptionaliy of the United States of America

until then... you have the government you deserve. as everybody else

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 08:55 | 3678722 Spanky
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I don't necessarily disagree, but "requesting" government "fix" the "electoral system" sounds an awful lot like asking to borrow your own car -- government legitimately holds no more power than what we give it.

Moreover, the "electoral system" falls outside the purview of governance -- political parties are no where mentioned, described or required in the Constitution. The twin-party is merely a elite edifice. It's easy to reform: Don't vote for them.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:32 | 3677409 Sizzurp
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Ought to be quite an Olympics in 2016.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:44 | 3677430 kw2012
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Even better, the World Cup in 2014 decentralized in cities all over the country.


The 12 venues are Belo Horizonte, Brasilia, Cuiaba, Curitiba, Fortaleza, Manaus, Natal, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio De Janeiro, Salvador and Sao Paulo


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:33 | 3677411 Midasking
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Coming to a theater near you!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:45 | 3677433 Henry Hub
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I wonder what it will actually take to get the American sheeple off their fat asses and out in the streets like the Brazilians. If it's going to happen, it better happen soon or it's going to be too late.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:51 | 3677443 Mr. Hudson
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I agree. It seems that Americans are "brain dead". Gamma rays and microwaves from the computer; plus the ultraviolet rays we are zapped with while shopping at Walmart has made us apathetic.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:29 | 3677547 TalkToLind
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Only a new iShit device launch or the home sports team winning a championship can get our sheeple up off their asses.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:42 | 3677590 greatbeard
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>> what it will actually take to get the American sheeple off their fat asses

Dd you folks miss OWS?  No, you couldn't have, you were all cheering when the police state crushed them.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:57 | 3677642 HelluvaEngineer
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Streets?  Not so much my style.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:02 | 3677658 samsara
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I hope if you get a crowd that size together, I hope there is a wide consensus as to why they are there what they want to happen.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:47 | 3677439 Mr. Hudson
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What happened to our protests with Occupy Wall Street? How come Americans don't protest?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 20:57 | 3677461 surf0766
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Occupy? we really need people who raped, shit on on cars and shot others to protest?


Go back to Jon Stewart.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:04 | 3677488 Dr. Engali
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Yeah because people bending over taking it up the rear is working so well. Somebody , anybody standing up to the bullshit we have now is far better than the apathy I see now. It's sickening.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:11 | 3677508 surf0766
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Yea because we need a buch of left wing communist tards showing us the path.. Oh maybe they alreayd are.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:15 | 3677517 Mr. Hudson
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: "a buch of left wing communist tards showing us the path"


There was a "mix". Many Ron Paul supporters were a part of OWS. Your attitude of "us vs. them" is what keeps America divided.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:18 | 3677521 surf0766
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Piss Off . Ron Paul lost. Stuffing bills with poke that he knew would pass and then voting against the bill.





Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:58 | 3677645 samsara
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You know, Taken separately is one thing but when you two are together you're really comical.

left no right, right? Well if you don't have what's left, you have what is right, Right? Of course, what's left? Right? Right !

It's like " Who's on first"

Left vs Right. You guys are too much,

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:24 | 3677536 Clueless Economist
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I call BS...less than 1% OWS were for or knew who Ron Paul is.

And I am counting the stoned out Moron I took a photo of in Zuccotti with a Barney Frank President/Ron Paul Vice President cardboard sign.

I saw the shithole OWS movement up close...made a bowel movement look attractive.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:25 | 3677537 nonclaim
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"Your attitude of "us vs. them" is what keeps America divided."

I heard it was Catholic schools ...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:30 | 3677538 Clueless Economist
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OWS was a bunch of hung over morons huddled in sleeping bags covered in vomit and feces.

I have the photos to pove it.

I wish we had an uprising in this country, but those "progressive" assholes weren't it!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:46 | 3677603 greatbeard
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>> I wish we had an uprising in this country,

Yeah, but  you won't get up off yer dead ass and do anything about it.  But you will endlessly criticize anyone who does unless they meet your partisan political agenda. 

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:16 | 3677930 Totentänzerlied
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Yes, it's called "consistency". If you would celebrate your most hated political group gaining power ... you're just an idiot of the first order. This isn't Candyland, there are consequences. So you're damn right I'm glad no one's out protesting, because it is a near certainty they'd be calling for something just as bad or even worse, as we saw clearly with Occupy. I believe the phrase is "careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:22 | 3677531 Dr. Engali
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That's the attitude they want you to have. Us against them.... The tea party ( which was co-opted by the republicans) versus occupy Wallstreet. I've got news for you ... to the government we are all the enemy. Or maybe you didn't know that.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:09 | 3678300 Harbanger
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"... to the government we are all the enemy."

Then why was OWS not targeted by the IRS?  Because they do not pose a threat to the establishment, that's why.  This constant false equivalence of opposites is why people can no longer tell the wolf from the sheperd.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:49 | 3677612 samsara
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Play that one note guy

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:26 | 3678309 Meat Hammer
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anybody standing up to the bullshit we have now is far better than the apathy I see now.

Doc, my biggest complaint about OWS is that they didn't have an Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue division.  

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:13 | 3677511 Mr. Hudson
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: "people who raped, shit on on cars and shot others to protest?"

Those were government provocateurs.


Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:38 | 3678264 Harbanger
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Boy, you're a true believer.  Didn't you see enough interviews of the people who were there to know they had no idea WTF they were doing.  OWS was organized to counter the TP movement.  OWS was not a grass roots effort, that's why it's not going anywhere.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:12 | 3677677 notquantumdum
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I thought we already got some of all of that.

How does anarchy help?  We need a lack of ignorance.  That is a scarce commodity lately.

(Or, were you being somewhat sarcastic?)

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:17 | 3677934 Totentänzerlied
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"How does anarchy help?"

Are you being sarcastic?


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:41 | 3677737 notquantumdum
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'Ignorance regarding what should be protested.

'Think about it, the "movement" barely understands why the current events are unfolding.  (Let alone, which portions should be protested.)

(Plus, in my opinion, eveyone in the US has been somewhat deluded into thinking that what makes things more or less affordable in the real world of the private sector doesn't matter anymore.)

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:00 | 3677478 chump666
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F*ck all goverments.

Some metal. Havok:

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:06 | 3677495 Cabreado
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Chaos is most easily prevented when at least one side understands what the fuss is all about anyway.

But there are far fewer excuses for false leadership than there are for the misled.

That's why they call it "leadership."

Excuse the cliche, but we have a perfect storm of ignorance and entitlement, and go figure -- each of the at-odds forces share the same maladies.


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:06 | 3677496 Dr. Engali
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Fuck the only way we can get a million fat lazy fucks off their asses in the U.S.S.A is if they are offering free hot dogs and a place to rest while they eat them.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:11 | 3677507 Bunga Bunga
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I never imagined that I have to rely on Russian media in the US of A.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 01:02 | 3678089 Spanky
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Ronnie's gotta be rollin' in his grave...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:26 | 3677533 Aurora Ex Machina
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Here's some live streams (and yes, they're being actively nuked - I'd suggest delving for yourself if they die on you).






All are reported peaceful so far, 1 death due to a car accident. The Atlantic has had some excellent photos running. Turnout is running at 5-20% of populace in minor towns / cities.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:30 | 3677550 Totentänzerlied
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8000 cops vs a million people?

Do the world a favor, stampede.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:46 | 3677599 samsara
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Now, Imagine a crowd that size getting together sometime In the future after a Global monetary crisis and being told "There Ain't no more period" .

Quick rule, Be farther away than people can walk to from the city.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:25 | 3677967 Totentänzerlied
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Imagine a crowd 35 times that size, and you have a rough estimate of the number of Americans who are de facto broke (at any given time) without government benefits.

If you include public sector (local, state, and federal incl. military) employees and people employed in jobs which are mostly funded by government contracts or grants, the number is probably more like 55 million.

And if you include all those counting on some form of government benefits for retirement...

We are fucked six ways from Sunday.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:43 | 3677592 StarTedStackin'
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Coming soon to a Democrat knee grow (redundant) managed (if only) big city near you!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:47 | 3677606 Fuku Ben
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1 Million is a good crowd

When will this type of mass public uprising happen in the US or EU?


Thu, 06/20/2013 - 21:50 | 3677616 A Lunatic
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Why don't the authorities turn this into celebration by letting loose a herd of longhorns into the crowd........

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:26 | 3677729 Aurora Ex Machina
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...they just did.


Usual cluster fuck: Fascists / Right Wingers (anti-current Gov) hating on the Communists / Radical left (who think this is all being co-opted by the right-wing media, and fear a new coup) and the police just opened up with rubber bullets.


FUBAR. *Throws up hands*

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:26 | 3677974 Totentänzerlied
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Your political analysis is about as penetrating as a rubber bullet. Fired from a capgun.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:34 | 3677993 Aurora Ex Machina
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Remember: No soup for you!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:04 | 3677666 A. Magnus
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Hey Krugman, you remember what the inmates did to the prison guards in Auschwitz, right? They tore the flesh off those collaborator scum with shovels. Better hope you don't live near a Home Depot when the SHTF...

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:25 | 3677723 Son of Loki
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Via con Dios.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:41 | 3677791 European American
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If we could only see the same (numbers) here in America. But alas, strung out on Rx and nonRx drugs, obesity, texting, gmo junk food and tv, zzzzzZZZZZZZ.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:01 | 3677865 fuu
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Drive them into the sea:

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:12 | 3677913 Youri Carma
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If they all just bought one ounce of silver our problems would be solved soon.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:22 | 3677957 Element
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they're using social media again! ... damn you fuckerberg! ... hmm, price hikes ... unaffordability ... mass riots ... sounds like Tunisia-Ben strikes again ... "Spic Spring"?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 23:41 | 3677990 Aurora Ex Machina
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The live feed suggests there's the usual tiny minority of rioting, but it's mostly peaceful (I just had a front row feed to a kick-off point). This is basically any and all protests everywhere. ~130 towns / cities so far, pretty stable for the numbers. S. American police seem much more ready to use rubber bullets than Northern spheres, although this is probably to do with the historical flavella crime stuff.

Two points:

#1 There's an interesting division between the classical parties / power blocks [which I'm sure our resident expert Totalitarianized will fill us all in on], and the (a)political general trend which seems to be anti-corruption. Hmm, Arete - excellence in everything; could be a good meme for all. How corrupt is your government? Is it that hard to run businesses / militaries / government without it? What is really killing society - corruption or structure? (and if you believe in Capitalism, you'll probably plump for corruption).

#2 Zuckerberg hate isn't for purely FB's vapidness - it's for what happens when people data mine the personal pages after the protests / infiltrate organizational groups using it and the arrests / disappearances of people innocently / ignorantly using it (same as Twitter - from the UK to Turkey, to Egypt, this has been the pattern).


So, overall - a broad anti-corruption ticket would be a great idea.


I'll post you something from the USA (North Carolina):

Even more sinister is something not getting much traction even in local newspapers. Namely, they're firing all the members of the Environmental Management Commission, including eliminating 6 of 19 seats reserved for a public health expert, a member experienced in fish and wildlife conservation, a member experienced in air pollution issues and three members interested in water and air pollution control. This is the group responsible for enforcing and adapting the environmental rules of the state. Seven new members (presumably all Republican) will be appointed by McCrory, and six by the legislature (hard to imagine they won't also be Republican). Sitting members have been appointed at various points over the past 40 years, and the new members would likely be ideologically aligned with the new legislature. In a similar move, they proposed a bill that eliminated the state geologist's seat on the Utilities and Mining Commission (i.e. the board that regulates fracking). That is, they didn't think it important to include someone who studies rocks on a commission that regulates the high-pressure injection of chemical soups into rocks. After considerable backlash, the seat was restored.

Another bill funnels $90 million of taxpayer money into a voucher system for low-to-middle income families. Each could receive a $4,200 check to pay tuition fees for a private or religious school, essentially dumping public school money into the pockets of for-profit school-businesses. I have family members who are teachers whose schools cannot afford paper, and so they have to print tests with their own money and tell students to print assignments at home.[Reddit]


Instead of actually cutting down on corruption, this looks like pure political power plays, mixed with hand-out bribes. Slap a Red or Blue sticker (Detroit) on it, it never solves the issue.


/soap box out.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:20 | 3678110 Spanky
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Sorry, I can't get by...

What is really killing society - corruption or structure? -- Aurora Ex Machina

You can't be serious. Look at the evidence... You're busy making utopia the enemy of the good.


[Edit] Insofar as #2 is concerned. What part of opsec do you not understand? Turn the piece of shit off, take out the battery, stomp it into the ground, pour gasoline on it, burn it, then piss on it when the flames die down.

As a hunter, I find using a radio collar takes all the fun out of it, but I've got my orders.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:10 | 3678298 Aurora Ex Machina
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You are certainly prolific for a 2 week old.

#1 Was a goad; people get annoyed if I paste reams of classical literature / philosophy. It's based on a classical forum address.

#2 You want me to piss on my phone? My laptop? My Dildo? Be specific man!


I expect my hunters to have better manners. Anyhow, the embedded RFID chip is not something I can dig out.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:18 | 3678340 Spanky
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I am humbled. ;>)

#1 -- A damned good one... I suffer from Anarchic Fatigue.

#2 -- All the iShit must die! (Dildo? Is there something you're not telling us?)

Not to worry -- got a field surgical kit right over here, morphine and all. Trust me. Won't hurt a bit when we upgra... remove it.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:21 | 3678139 Element
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Post Shtf Society: Corruption as a Way of Life

Posted by Selco on November 2, 2012

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:01 | 3678081 Al Trueman
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Insinuating that the protesters are somehow unreasonable in rebuffing genuine  "concessions"  ( Wowser!  20 whole cents ! )  by a conciliatory government ,  aside from it's implied bias, is just plain wrong .

It was never about a bus fare hike .   It was about one final insult being "the last straw" in a worsening spiral of waste &  corruption by a small group of banksters and their hot-money "investor" enablers . . .  Ponzi profits for the Elites and disenfranchised marginalization for everybody else.

After years of stacking fuel, accelerants and explosives into a mountain of volatile social and economic grievances,  how can Brazil's government reasonably expect the resultant   ( and predictable )  conflagration should simply disappear just by removing the small lit match that set it all off ?  Ya reap watcha sow, Bro .  Happy harvest .

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:04 | 3678087 Bear
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All this does in the US is fortify and vindicate the DHS and empower .gov to further escalate their invasion of our Constitutional Rights.

If this were to happen here (ala LA, 66, 93) our cities would turn to Detroit overnight. 

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:14 | 3678116 Bear
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Our Founders foresaw this happening  ... Big Government gets too big and tries to control too much, so they created a nation with small government and a big individual. The first and only time in history that this had been tried. It continued to work spectacularly until the great progressive reformers (read FED, Roosevelt and Wilson) appeared on the scene where politics and fiat money colluded to expand government and diminish the individual. The natural consequence of a century of wrong-headedness is what we have now.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:17 | 3678125 kchrisc
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And in the US, when the sheeple finally are awakened to the nightmare:

The Four Rs:

Rejection--No pay, no obey.

Revolution--They're preparing for it, you should be as well. See NDAA 2012/2013/2014, etc.

Retribution--We will know who and what these sociopaths are guilty of, and is there really any place for the likes of them in a restored Constitutional and civil society?!

Restoration--Restore the Constitutional republic.


I'm going to need to get an older car without a "Boston Brakes" computer on board.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:28 | 3678314 Kirk2NCC1701
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Allow me to look at this from a different angle...

Q: Does Brazil prefer Gold-based Real or fiat-based Real? And does the Fed care that they have an FX agreement with China? Which also does not bother the Fed, no doubt.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:31 | 3678318 Yperkeimenos
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I quote from the article: "If the Brazilian government thought that.......ceding to the angry mob only emboldens the public to demand more".Stupid Goverment,should have shot at the crowd,even hang publicly a few protesters.It's a Democratic one afterall.


Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:50 | 3678356 LAN
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1.000.000 vs 8.000 ... yeah, what you gonna do now hey pigs?

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 14:27 | 3680005 smacker
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If I heard any of the Brazilian rioters reciting a phrase that I used when I was 18 years old, I'd have more sympathy with their cause.

            "I want government to get off my back and out of my pocket".

Sadly, even though their specific demands vary, the Brazilians all have one demand in common:

            "More Government"

No wonder the socialist President Dilma Rousseff expressed pleasure at the demos two days ago.

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