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US Asks Hong Kong To Detain Snowden On Charges Of Spying
The United States has asked Hong Kong to detain Edward Snowden on a provisional arrest warrant after filing a sealed criminal complaint alleging espionage, theft, and conversion of government property. As The Washington Post reports, the complaint was filed in the Eastern District of Virginia - where Snowden's former employer Booz Allen is headquartered:
- *U.S. CHARGES SNOWDEN IN SEALED COMPLAINT IN NSA LEAK, POST SAYS
- *U.S. SAID TO CHARGE SNOWDEN IN NSA SURVEILLANCE DISCLOSURES
While there was really little doubt that the Justice Department would seek to prosecute Snowden over the leaks, the district chosen, according to WaPo, has a long track-record of prosecuting cases with national security implications; and while Honk Kong does have an extradition treaty with the US, there are exceptions for political offenses.
Via The Washington Post,
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Justice Department officials had already said that a criminal investigation of Snowden was underway and was being run out of the FBI’s Washington field office in conjunction with lawyers from the department’s National Security Division.
By filing a criminal complaint, prosecutors have a legal basis to make the request of the authorities in Hong Kong. Prosecutors now have 60 days to file an indictment, probably also under seal, and can then move to have Snowden extradited from Hong Kong for trial in the United States.
Snowden, however, can fight the extradition effort in the courts in Hong Kong. Any battle is likely to reach Hong Kong’s highest court and could last many months, lawyers in the United States and Hong Kong said.
The United States has an extradition treaty with Hong Kong, and U.S. officials said cooperation with the Chinese territory, which enjoys some autonomy from Beijing, has been good in previous cases.
The treaty, however, has an exception for political offenses, and espionage has traditionally been treated as a political offense.
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The chief executive of Hong Kong, Leung Chun-ying, said last week that the city’s government would follow existing law if and when the U.S. government requested help.
“When the relevant mechanism is activated, the Hong Kong [Special Administrative Region] Government will handle the case of Mr. Snowden in accordance with the laws and established procedures of Hong Kong,” Leung said in a statement.
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They always die in threes. Two fat actors to go.
Veterans Today has a good article on the CIA's "Boston Brakes" assassination technique. Commonly used on reporters, dissidents, microbiologists, and anyone who would blow the whistle on Israeli nukes or nuke smuggling.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/25/gordon-duff-boston-brakes-no-skidmarks-in-the-sky/
It's too early to activate the FEMA camps. The stormtrooper raids would draw too much attention. Yet this isn't a problem when the tentacles of corruption reach deep into every mainstream media outlet and urban police department. America has a Vietnam of road deaths every year. Spread out a Vietnam of political murders over a decade and the media-lobotomized zombies would never figure it out. Throw in heart attack guns (Brietbart?) and induced cancers and the slaughter becomes that much easier.
In the end, my friend, it will come down to guns, it always does.
Just keep your powder dry and don't shoot first.
The same factions that supported the Pentagon Papers release are oddly enough the most hawkish when it comes to nailing Snowden's ass. Hmmm...
And folks like Judge Napolitano who admits having worn a "Bomb Hanoi" t-shirt in college stand by Snowden. I always hated conservatives until the world turned upside down.
Arrest that man, he is wanted on secret charges!
Heil!
The NSA, which has been SPYING on just about every US citizen, plus probably anyone else in the world who ever sent an email or made a telephone call or looked anything up in a search engine, wants to extradite Snowden for spying? Talk about chutzpah!
The price tag for an extradition will be high. My sense is that the Chinese are adept at negotiations. Holder better be holding a big checkbook (or equivalent).
Due to a clerical error Germany's gold will be delivered in 70 years, not 7. Now in an unrelated headline US Dept of Justice and Dick (oh, I mean Eric) Holder announces Snowden has arrived in the USA for processing. Sadly due to some other unrelated clerical error he was fedexed without breathing holes in his box so he'll go right on ice.
Also he may have been sleeping with Nucky Thompson's wife.
The germans are so desperate for gold they asked the Ruskies to return their ancient gold antiques that they stole. La hermitage gate.
You give Beijing too much credit. I just don't see the mainland getting involved. HK has an extradition treaty and it has already stated that Snowden will be extradited as they extradite many US citizens every year.
Nothing to see here! WTF is wrong with you people, Kim and Kayne's baby is here!!!!!
My TeeVee just has Mary Tyler Moore. Rabbit ears are such a relief.
There was an article on Naked Capitalism recently by a Hong Kong resident suggesting that if this got into a legal wrangle, it could be a very long time indeed before the case was settled. Apparently, the Hong Kong legal system is a lot like the one portrayed by Charles Dickens in Bleak House, in the infamous case of Jarndyce v Jarndyce. Every possible angle is explored until the end of time, or at least until the money runs out.
So US government confirms Snowden's claims about US government spying on all its citizens. Previous government claims that Snowden was a know-nothing, BS artist repudiated by its current action. One lie after another.
moar
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communic...
Why, oh why are these governments spying on regular people?! It just doesn't make sense!
Quite yet.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
I think this is the part that should have been bolded: --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.
No doubt.
Somewhere, some "rogue IRS agent" just red flagged your file and sent it over to NSA, Social Security Adninistration, FBI, DHS, ICE, HHS, CIA and George Soros for further review as a possible subversive.
You're in good company ;-)
Darren shrugged. I'm a 47 percenter. Blood from a stone.
Even a stone makes good ballast. Don't volunteer even that.
snow blow anynews on israel.
wiki bloke assange any intel on mini battle field nuke use in the last 12 years.
snow done what happened to the gold bullion of libya.
hello
hello
anyone
any whistlers got any info about israel
anything at fucking all.
I heard that falafel is popular.
Here's the link to the White house petition to pardon Eric Snowden:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD
Thank You.
Signed it last week.
JOHN HANCOCK
The Hong Kong administration are all totally pussies and would hand Snowden over in a heartbeat. But this one China will be telling them if they can or not.
Agree, HK's adminstration are pussies that pander to the west. However, Beijing's leaders will not risk themselves to save Snowden. There is no upside for them and its just not the Chinese way. Snowden has nothing of value to Beijing that I can think of.
what about jfk
what about nixon
did clinton kill woman
did bush snr have rent boys in the whitehouse for starters.
did baby bush sodomise brown folks for kicks.
did yo blair give blow jobs in london toilets in the early 90s.
did he use the name anthony linton in court.
simple questions that a real whistle blower would mention.
or maybe not.
but say something shattering anything to rock the foundations.
nuttin just actors diss tractin init.
I would suspect any and all concrete evidence of any such crimes if they did indeed exist would no longer exist and the persons involved in said alleged crimes would also no longer exist unless totally insane and/or totally discredited.
You're praying for fairies and unicorns there. And Snowden already covered that by saying he'd not taken any information that could hurt or endanger individuals. That's why he's being formally legally processed and not caught in an unfortunate hotel fire.
Do pay attention dear.
"Snowden and the three wise NSA whistleblowers" by Peter Lee 6/21/13 @ www.atimes.com/
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-01-210613.html
,... this timely and wonderfully methodical (& meticulous) articulate scripted narrative crafted by Mr. Lee pretty much sums it up-- as he gingerly walks us through the dungeons and dra'gon[conian]smear`traps of a anathema-nightmarish future for an american hero forced upon the whims of honour ( Jesus Christ 'Syndrome, that of a paradoxical LionessLamb?) and righteous-moral'fibres-- the litany of crafted-failures of a nilhilistic iconic ussa... devoid of a[ny] human`nutured'natures' presence?!
and, while your there, please give Pepe Escobar a friendly,'roving-eye' thankyou Tyler
Let's hope Hong Kong gives the tyrannical and treasonous U.S. authorities the finger!
HK is too busy sucking the tyrannosaurus's dick. HK bows to the west.
I am sure he mailed an insurance policy or two to a few medium / high profile folks.... Expect MORE dead journalists shortly.......
Snowden, Snowden....
While we are all grateful for the information you are revealing, some of us just don't grasp your strategy.
HONG KONG?
Having spent considerable time there myself, I can say that you you effectively run straight into the arms of the Chinese if they want you, regardless of what the media is saying about the place.
Perhaps they already know about the breadth and depth of the programs you are outing, so you may be worthless to them. I seriously doubt it, though.
I just don't see them letting such a valuable asset slip away.
At a minimum, they could host your stay until such time as one of their assets is picked up and they want to arrange a trade. Perhaps there is already a Chinese national already behind bars that the PRC wants back.
Perhaps they can keep you healthy, safe and loved until some policy consideration is needed in one area or another, or some deal they are trying to close needs a cherry added on top for U.S. officials to sign off.
Perhaps this is already in the works behind the scene.
Mark my words: The Chinese will not let Snowden leave without some payoff / favor / consideration / etc... He is too valuable.
There is more happening here then will ever be reported.
These are the games of kings and spymasters and no doubt all the parties involved are considering the value of this new chip on the table.
One thousand quatloos on the newcomer.
Snowden is never set foot in Hong Kong. Not is in Iceland. Snowden is only make fool of spy government with false lead.
well said snowden knows they know he knows his fate back in motherland
Snowden is a pawn, and the main scream media serve the nazionists and banksters.
Gosh. Doesn't take much brain cells to work out this latest showtime. But it does distract and amuse the taxpayers and unemployed.
Confuse and conquer; the age old game.
HK is not Beijing. If he was smart, he would have gone to a location that does not have an extradition treaty.
Why do all these whistle blowers and yahoo's never seem to have a plan. Chris Doner talked big and then drove his truck over a log. Snowden chooses HK with a history of extradition. The Boston brothers rob a 7 Eleven! It just makes no sense. Its like these people want to be caught...
meatbag hello.
meathead
maybe
just maybe
some of these things are psy ops see.
do you see
Interesting companion piece to go along with this article. Illustrate the increasing Gestapo KBG style initmidation and repressive use of the courts against journalists and whistleblowers.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/21/how-the-government-has-treated-past-jour
How the Government Has Treated A Past Journalist It Connects with EspionageAs Edward Snowden is indicted (see Scott Shackford's report below), it's worth revisiting an interesting and detailed account from The Nation earlier this week about currently imprisoned journalist Barrett Brown.
To simplify a pretty complicated story, Brown dumped the contents of an Anonymous-released dump of documents grabbed from Stratfor, a private intelligence/security company into a public wiki dedicated to investigative journalism he ran called ProjectPM, and began looking into a mysterious company called "Endgame Systems," an info-security firm with multi-million dollar yearly subscriptions services supposedly involving giving away info on how to exploit systems vulnerabilities in computers.
Then things got ugly for Barrett Brown.
Excerpts:
The going after his mom part made Brown freak out, and he mad an ill-advised video in which he discussed his drug problems and threatened to turn the FBI's justice around on them. He said in the video:
Brown was suddenly a very bad man indeed to any media who might have been sympathetic, and since the Statfor dump included some credit card numbers, the FBI hit him with credit card fraud charges, and:
Worth noting the guy who carried out the hack whose info Brown proliferatied is facing a max of 10 years.
And it isn't just the people who do the hacking or launch crowdsourced journalism into leaked/hacked data who have reason to fear:
And here we are.
They went after his fucking mother on bullshit charges who had nothing to do with the incident. What a bunch of gestapo thugs.
"In March, the DOJ served the domain hosting service CloudFlare with a subpoena for all records on the ProjectPM website, and in particular asked for the IP addresses of everyone who had accessed and contributed to ProjectPM, describing it as a "forum" through which Brown and others would "engage in, encourage, or facilitate the commission of criminal conduct online." The message was clear: Anyone else who looks into this matter does so at their grave peril."
So much for us who comment on these threads and ZH.
I can't believe with some of the topics written here and what has been written by post authors and those who comment, we are in the clear.
You know something? I don't care what they do. My parent's lived through an occupation, I don't want my kids or grand children living through one and I have nothing to lose.
cherry
"My parent's lived through an occupation, I don't want my kids or grand children living through one and I have nothing to lose."
Now you're talkin'. You're starting to sound like a Continental Soldier.
GCHQ fibre optic interception point Bude, Cornwall
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1196775/Web-trouble-The-...
Trans-Atlantic fibre optic cables (TAT-14) arrive at Widemouth Bay, Cornwall, down the road from Bude
http://books.google.ie/books?id=YfiTZBYnZd4C&pg=PT169&lpg=PT169&dq=bude+...
There once was a young lass from Bude,
Who liked to sun-bathe in the nude
'Til she was arrested
For being divested
Since the rest of the village were prudes
How about this! "Arrest the criminal Obama, who funds Al-Qaeda cannibals in Syria who are killing Christians and other religious minorities in the name of a NATO backed Sunni Jihad." Or how about this "Arrest the insane John McCain who just met with Al-Qaeda terrorists inside Syria to plan murders of Christians, car bombings, killing of religious minorities, cannibalsim and crimes against the people of Syria."
This would be a good start! Washington is past help, their crimes know no limits! There war plans are expanding. Syria is invaded by NATO armed foreign terrorists. Iran is going to be leveled in a mass bombing campaign. And worst of all, the Obama army of Chechen, Sunni and Al-Qaeda terrorists are going to be set lose on Russia again, all backed by USA money and arms. Again hundreds of Russian school children will be killed, metro stations bombed, apartment buildings bombed, air ports bombed and other assorted terror attacks.Yet, in the name of preventing terror, the US government has decided every American is a potential traitor to be spied upon daily. Obama, "The Black Bush", has become the cats paw for complete police state terror inside America.
I have never felt so sick to my stomach at what Washington has become. Their crimes know no limit. Be it the Federal reserve crime ring, or the NSA illegal spy ring or the giant police state thugs.
The founding fathers declared "all men are created equal". The dollar bill states "In God We Trust"
Seeing that something put me on this earth and gave me life and made me human, I consider myself equal to the people who would bend and break moral laws to achieve their own ends, such as starting pre-emptive wars, torturing people, spying on the innocent and using their power to go after people who care enough about mankind and their fellow citizen's to let them know what is really going on.
With that being said, I wish I had more money, I would give $50 to arrest the likes of Dick Cheney, Eric Holder, George W Bush and Barrick Obama and others and bring them in front of a court for a fair trial for crimes against humanity. Being a citizen of this planet and assuming God had something to do with me being here, I think a citizen's arrest is appropriate if the policing agencies won't hold up to their jobs.
Well having more money or donating to a group is good, but that's not really going to help here.
I mean you do realize that the evil people you spoke of have surrounded themselves with thousands and thousands of heavily armed thugs, right? Do you think all these guys are going to wake up one day and say to themselves, "ah, I've been living a bad life. Today I'm going to change. I will start reading the bible and stop fucking killing, maiming and torturing." Not exactly.
The "USA" is now the old "Soviet Union."
On steroids of printed fiat.
The guy is probably hiding out at williambanzai's pad.
Shhhhhhhhhh.
Acually the Pingguo ribao said he is in a safe house courtesy of the police anti-terrioist unit. Hahahahahaha
But then the Apple Daily is infamous for gossip.
That smirky pic is the epitome of an Obama voter.
It must have been heartbreaking for Snowed-In when Obamao ramped up Junior's police state.
On the Sundance Channel "All the President's Men" just started. Maybe Obama has never seen this movie or the history. Along with the Peter King's and the media lapdogs.
The US is suddenly acting like a fucked up Communist Warsaw pact country!! And I know cose I was born in one.
and you know what? the US is a Military ruled Country!!!! Bet you didnt know that!
starman
"and you know what? the US is a Military ruled Country!!!! Bet you didnt know that! "
You don't say.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
~Martin Niemöller
Socialists, Trade Unionists and Jews all came for the Germans first, and then they came for the Palestinians. Now they have come for the Europeans and there is nobody left to speak for us.
Before they came for these groups, those groups were supporters of Hitler's Nazi Party. It was only after he got his feet under the table that he turned on them.
Hong Kong doesn't have an extradition treaty with anyone. It's been part of the PRC, at least as far as foreign relations are concerned, for over 15 years.
So Snowden is a pawn of central banksters. No surprise. Golly, gosh, gee whiz. Why would central banksters want to divert attention from their latest theft by throwing attention upon lack of privacy, and send Snowden to ...Iceland, the country that just said 'no' to the international banksters. All the better to infiltrate the opposition; as per typical nazionism central banks.
Wrong. It does have an extradition treaty with the USA, China does not. Until 2047 this is the case. The Basic Law and international treaties ( Sino-British treaty) say it is so. If this legal process is negated, China loses international credibility with wide-ranging fall-out internationally. China will not abrogate this agreement for a US whistleblower.
Apostate, you are absolutely correct. Beijing will not expend any of its political capital on a US whistleblower.
Somehow, Snowden would need to get the mainland press and people on his side. Right now they are indifferent. He would need to show that the NSA was plotting with the Japanese over the Daioyu's on Weibo or something.
The US could have just discounted him as a crackpot. Now we have confirmation from them that he knows what he's talking about. Now I'm more interested in what he says.
Signed
Hollywood elites generally stick their noses into everything political and certainly had some big balls when criticizing Bush but oddly remain silent on this invasion of privacy matter. It bothers them about the paperazzi snooping and spying they don't seem the least bit concerned about government spying under this administration. I would've thought Redford would say something given his political activism and his Watergate movie. Intellectual dishonesty runs rampant through Hollywood so I guess it shouldn't come as a shock.
All the big names of Hollywood whine about McCarthy trials against communists, and Republicans against communists, but have nothing to say about the hateful endless wars and spying on Americans by their DemoCRAPS.
Hey ho. Hollywood, founded by nazionists who like a pretty shill to put a smile on their international banksterism.
As long as "hollywood" stars have money, hookers and blow, and say the correct things, they don't care about anything else.
I crashed my laptop and lost all the email on my hard drive. Is there someone I can call at the NSA and get a backup?
I assume that would fall under the category of Research;
Mathematical Sciences Program
Phone: (301) 688-0400
[edit]
Oooooo.... or you could try e-mail;
SELinux Team
Email: selinux-team@tycho.nsa.gov
[I bet you don't even have to hit "send"!]
Good luck, Mr Snowden.
"No good deed goes unpunished."
Frankly, I'm amazed the US Government is actually 'Doing Something'.
That isn't really their style. Must be a CYA thing.
It's not "the United States" asking to detain Snowden.
It's the United States GOVERNMENT.
BIG difference.
am i the only one here who knows how easy it is to use strong encryption such as PGP?
there is brand-new version of GPG from a German that runs on anything. and it's free!
or you can pay for the commercial version if you like. Google "Phil Zimmerman PGP" if this is news.
why is there no reporting of the FACT that any so-called "terrorist" capable of doing anything without the guidance of FBI or others wouldn't be so STUPID as to use clear-text communication to record their actions?
it makes me go hmm in light of Snowden that i haven't seen a single mention of how easy it is to have complete privacy in your electronic communications ... and have completely private folders on your computers.
there are quite a few people in federal prison after being convicted of felony charges of obstruction of justice, impeding a search warrant, conspiracy, yadayada for refusing to hand over their PGP passphrase when a judge ordered them to do so and they either refused or claimed it had been forgotten.
isn't it eerily like the "thought crime" of 1984 to be imprisoned for failing to hand over a text string when ordered to do so by a court? after all, if a person fails to cough up subpeoaned or search warranted material, the legal standard (not that it matters!) of guilt can be questioned if defendant can claim the "boating accident defense." what about the "dog ate my password" defense?
the 5th amendment right to not self-incriminate has been gone a long time.
but if EVERYONE used strong encryption then of course some of them would forget their passphrase.
so why is strong encryption not mentioned in light of Snowden? it wasn't really that long ago that there was a legal fuss over having the software made subject export controls by the Fourth Reich as a "munition."
sheesh. that fact alone should be enough to make people want it. but nobody cares.
i'll bet there are fewer than 10 peeps here who know what i'm talking about. or have the slightest interest in making it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone but themself and intended recipients of their emails to be able to read them.
and what about some of those files on your puter? wouldn't it be nice to know that they were private even it was legally (or illegally) seized?
ok. of course the NSA could break the code if they put enough effort into it, but it's a TREMENDOUS amount of effort to break a 2048 or 4096-byte RSA, DH, or AES key; you have your choice of encryption algorithms if you think some might have backdoors.
Keep in mind that the NSA has been partnering with software and hardware designers since the mid-90's. In fact, in 1999, a cryptologist found and extra key in Windows NT. After some further analysis, the first key was called "KEY" and the second was called "NSAKEY". Microsoft initially claimed it was debugging leftovers, inadvertently left in the OS. But at a cryptology conference, others said that had the key been integrated in the hardware, it would have been undetectable. Nearly 15 years later, and a list of complicit commercial hardware and software intersests as long as my arm, I'd bet money that all of them were ordered to include a second key on the chip.
To further support this theory, an extended family member working for a Swiss company as a turnkey software/hardware supplier, was given explicit orders not to encrypt any data going to the US above a certain limit (I don't recall what the limit was). However, about three years ago, the NSA issued notice to their company indicating that ALL levels of encryption are now acceptable. What does that tell you?
Microsoft is embedded with spyware. Bill Gates is a hateful nazionist, masquerading as an American and ...sickest pose ever...a philanthrophist.
Microsoft makes good hardware but its software is a virus
"In fact, in 1999, a cryptologist found and extra key in Windows NT."
USE LINUX.
It's that simple.
Though not utterly bulletproof, generate keys, encrypt and decrypt PGP on a laptop with no network access and move encrypted text back and forth between networked machine via USB stick.
Not even the NSA can break the laws of math and physics. Brute forcing even 256-bit crypto is impossible...unless they have quantum tech. If QT crypto is further along than they're letting on, all bets are off. I find it hard to believe that they're there yet, but who the fuck knows anymore?
Under RIPA they can force you to surrender keys and make it a crime to tell anyone. Look at how the DoJ stiffed Kim Dotcom. First get the New Zealanders to seize his computers and files and turn them over to the FBI....then freeze his funds....then get LeaseWeb to delete his backup servers. When the Fascist Federal State between Canada and Mexico starts it is Hangman's Justice
and yet under the laws of physics you can't be FORCED to give up sweet fuck all. If they can hurt you bad enough, threaten to gun-rape your children in front of you then kill them and make you watch, ya, I suppose you'll give up the passwords.
Other than that they can suck a dick for the next 2000 years trying to crack it.
The way data is collected and studied, the exact content of an intercepted message is not as important as you think it might be.
The data is handled at in another way, but I will not say more; IT guys and theorists would have a better way of explaining it than I do, and besides, retired guys do not want to get shot.
The entire game needs to be cleaned up, or guys who played on the same side are going to wind up killing each other and all Americans will suffer. nuff said.
ALL of it is data. Operational need will dictate how badly one needs just the time, end-points & size of message vs other messages held WITHIN the encrypted message. Obviously one can layer encryption & obviously one can also use it within a network (SSL, SSH) as an encrypted transport layer so that many other messages with other desired end-points & important content are in there. Names, phone numbers, maps, brief audio clips, whatever, you'll never know what's inside.
People are dumb as fuck. Since 1992 I've tried to get people to use pgp, pgpfone, then they both went out of date and now GnuPG is all over the place & securely open source and people are still too lazy to use it.
The most use I get out of it is the required verification of packages for installing new source files for this or that application in Linux.
I actually suspect I will never send an encrypted email to another person again in my life. I'm fully able to do so but the lazy fuck on the other end has to be willing to use it. They're not.
Well, on the bright side, who needs Carbonite when there is the NSA..
I don't believe that Snowden acts on his own. His declared CV makes that impossible.
Iceland, beware.
Snowden's 'revelations' are good, but international intrigue serves governments, not people, and least of all Valhalla.
Mr Swonden.....we have top hookers in Russia - Mr Putin.
If he is still able to it's probably a good time to leave without saying goodbye.
Life on the run is better than staring at the inside of a US prison cell.
So having just been exposed illegally spying on its own citizens the US govertnment charges Edward Snowden with.... spying! The hypocrisy here is obscene.
The operations of secret intelligence agencies aiming at the manipulation of public opinion generally involve a combination of cynical deception with the pathetic gullibility of the targeted populations. There is ample reason to believe that the case of Edward Joseph Snowden fits into the pattern. We are likely dealing here with a limited hangout operation, in which carefully selected and falsified documents and other materials are deliberately revealed by an insider who pretends to be a fugitive rebelling against the excesses of some oppressive or dangerous government agency. Details here: http://osnetdaily.com/2013/06/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/
I down arrowed you for two reasons. I read the article by the PHD who wrote it. I don't think his theory is impossible, but in essence he offers the biggest reason to take organizations such as the NSA and CIA and ensure they cease to exist and no other organization take their places.
The PHD is a conspiratory theorist on the opposing side, the side of the CIA and NSA. If his theory is correct and it is only to root people like myself out, it worked, but united we stand and they can only get so many. I say he is a theorist as we were known to voice objection to .gov since the early pre Snowden leaks occured.
Somehwere there is truth in all of this and that truth is our rights are being ignored and we are being played. Snowden brought it to the fore.
if their digital and phone spying capabilities are that good and extensive then they don't need to do convoluted schemes like what that authorer claims. They use the internet, Hollywood and the music industry for that to push popular culture memes to condition the populace like pavlov dogs. Why do you think they allow the porn industry to thrive (I'll give you a hint it is not just to keep out of work angry young males busy honing their bones and not rioting out in the streets). There is also a reason music is soft and wimpy when it relates to popular stuff while the manly aggressive stuff is pigeonholed holed as rap showing a bunch of shucking and jiving 2 steps above chimps and about as literate as one also. That is to reinforce stereotypes, dumb down males alpha males who naturally are attracted to that sort of stuff and keep them dumb and compliant while feeding them enough manly crack to keep them from rebelling. It is an old script for population control through mass media and popular culture, been going on for a long time now.
And Edward Snowden also revealed yesterday that the UK's GCHQ had been hoovering up millions of private e-mails - including content - for several years and handing many of them over to the NSA.
Well, we all knew this was going on but few people in the UK care. Certainly not MSM.
But I can now understand why the Parliamentary Statement made on 10th June by the British Foreign Secretary William Hague was so carefully framed and worded, and why virtually all the questions asked of him were so obviously planted. Hague limited himself to commenting on the specific issue of whether GCHQ was receiving harvested data from the NSA and he was able to claim that whatever was received was handled under British law. He avoided any mention of GCHQ actually doing quite a lot of the hoovering on behalf of the NSA. These two orgs are essentially sisters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23002166
Street View: Google given 35 days to delete wi-fi data"its investigation found that data had been discovered in 30 countries, and included "complete email messages, email headings, instant messages and their content, logging-in credentials, medical listings and legal infractions, information in relation to online dating and visits to pornographic sites"."
Ah yes ...but Google claim they had never made any use of all this data.
That's alright then.
Except that one wonders why they collected it in the first place.
One browse at this artcle from the BBC about this reveals which side of this they are on: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23012317#
Starting with the carefully chosen sinister image of Snowden used at the top, it goes on to quote several people who claim he is a traitor and refers to him as "a fugitive" etc etc etc.
If somebody is angling for "hostilities", Hong Kong allowing Snowden to plead some kind of "refugee" status could bring things to a head rather quickly.
I don't care what happens to be your opinion of what he did - he's in a legal black hole with no real way out. I suppose he knows that, though. Lets see if merely stating a legal fact is enough to bring on a shower of red arrows from the "occupy" crowd.
Most people here don't understand that although HK is technically under China's control, practically it's leadership is at odds with Beijing. If Beijing said protect Snowden, HK's current leaders would probably say no just to piss Beijing off. Beijing has never used its veto power in HK. It is very unlikely that they would do so over a low level US snitch. They will wait to play that political card until when it is really needed. People think Beijing's leaders have absolute power, they don't. They very rarely take a stand on anything. They always try to play both sides of the fence.
HK's leaders have a long history of aligning themselves with the USA's elite. HK routinely extradites US citizens several times per year and most are white collar criminals who are looking to dodge the long arm of the IRS or other US agency. HK's police comply and in return, HK is in the "western" bankers club. Beijing knows this and Beijing likes having a foot in the door of that club.
Snowden is screwed if he is still in HK. If he was lucky he was able to make it over the border into mainland China. At that point he would no longer face extradition, however, its also possible that Beijing would not want to deal with him either and if and when he was ever asked for his "visa", he would be found out and deported for being in the mainland illegally.
Interesting.
Are you saying that if you travel from (say) Kowloon to any other part of the Chinese mainland, there's a frontier post where you have to show a passport/visa?
Hitherto, I've assumed Snowden is on HK Island and could simply travel to Kowloon or anywhere else on China's mainland by simply getting on the Star Ferry and going across the Harbour which takes about 15 mins. Or taking the metro which goes under the Harbour to/from the Island.
Time for a history lesson. HK Island was ceded in perpetuity by the Qing government after the end of the first Opium War (1842, Treaty of Nanking). Kowloon was ceded in perpetuity in 1860. The New Territories, adjacent to Guangdong province was leased for 99 years in 1898, lease up in 1997 hence the Sino-British talks and the 'handover'. HK's development meant that it was not viable without the NT (and China was reforming i.e. 'opening up to the outside world'). The Basic Law was the modus operandi for the retrocession and guaranteed that HK could keep its 'capitalistic system and lifestyle' for 50 years. The maintanence and surveillance of a political border ( on both sides of the boundary) has continued since colonial times.
So, yes, you need to go through HK immigration then China's passport control at the border between the NT and Guangdong, not within the territory of HK (that includes the above--HK Island, Kowloon, NT).
Thanks. I wasn't aware of that passport border control.
When I visited HK several years ago I stayed in Kowloon but did not include any journeys into "China proper" as it were, ie north of Kowloon, just to the Island.
Where were all you people 11 years (or more) ago when this police state was being created?
You didn't give a fuck about Ollie North or arms for hostages, and you certainly didn't make a peep about the Patriot Act, cowering in fear of fucking dirt-poor towelheads in Realfarawayistan, but now you want to cry about that apparatus because it got turned on you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DtNI7SJ7Sc
Oh, violations of the Fourth Amendment, we can forget about that. Let's focus on the pip-squeeck who pointed it out.
Let me get this straight....
The Global Full-Spectrum Spy Octopus that ILLEGALLY has its slimy tentacles inserted into every orifice sucking out every morsel of "information", wants someone arrested for spying????
LOL!!! HAhahaha!!!! Too funny!!!!!
I'm still waiting for action on the petition branding our favorite senator from cali traitor. A rope and an oak, or blindfold and a cigarette, makes no difference.
Who but a traitor to be the quickest to label any transparency traitorous?
arrest that man.
what man
that benign looking hero
that undercover cia distraction man.
no he is not
he is giving us all the intel
beyond the beyond
ahead of the infinite
arrest that actor so we can distract
do not mention libya and the John Christopher Stevens
the guardian is gonna get a peace prize for this
it will end up on a trophy head shelf in mi6
next to gadaffis corpse cap hat
and saddams beard trimmings.
arrest that actor man with stripper whore flikr girly.
arrest the friend of team ga ga.
do it slow
string it out long
long
long
just like assange
no intel just pip squeak leaks.
Holy shit you CAN post on ZH with a blackberry even 100 miles from anywhere. Shits getting weird even here folks. As soon as I arrived at my place in WI a neighbor stopped in and informed me that the neighbor to the north had shot the neighbor to my south in the chest in some dispute. Don't know the details yet but no neighbors have ever shot another neighbor around here before.
That aside, the real reason I dropped in from the brush was to give some credit to crocketalmanac for saying what he said last night. Darren, if you are out there, I would like to suggest that you add a contact tab to your website. Let's get shit rolling while I am still relatively young!
I'll be back to civilization on Sunday so limited responses from me. I have to get back to work now because if I don't do it no one else will. Not where I am right now anyway.
Hey we all know who the real scunbag criminals are, and it aint Snowden!
Might I give a modest suggestion to the enlightened Hong Kong government?
They should quite simply, and with all due transparency, hire one of the large U.S. polltakers to conduct a simple study to determine what the true desire is for the U.S. public as concerns extraditing Mr. Snowden.
By so doing they cause an immense embarassment to our Federal gubbermint, which would be most welcome on both sides of the Pacific.
They could periodically re-take this poll as a constant reminder of the lack of our government's claimed transparency.
The Falcon, the Snowman and the Iceberg.
give us some meat snow done.
make it not about the brics.
not about about syria or brasil or iran
nor even putins russia.
give us some israel steak snow blow
before your done
dontes bee an ass sange fuckin squeaky tease
give us cia and mi6 heroin shit
or get the fuck outta here.
I wonder if they're considering an extraction of Snowden out of HK via skyhook so Eric Holder can get him to sing?
The appearance of the law must be upheld, Especially when it's being broken
BREAKING - Snowden boards plane to Moscow
Torn Curtain