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Quote Of The Day: Assange Praises Snowden, Slams Nobel Prize
Statement by Julian Assange after One Year in Ecuadorian Embassy
Saturday June 22nd, 15:00 GMT
It has now been a year since I entered this embassy and sought refuge from persecution.
As a result of that decision, I have been able to work in relative safety from a US espionage investigation.
But today, Edward Snowden’s ordeal is just beginning.
Two dangerous runaway processes have taken root in the last decade, with fatal consequences for democracy.
Government secrecy has been expanding on a terrific scale.
Simultaneously, human privacy has been secretly eradicated.
A few weeks ago, Edward Snowden blew the whistle on an ongoing program - involving the Obama administration, the intelligence community and the internet services giants - to spy on everyone in the world.
As if by clockwork, he has been charged with espionage by the Obama administration.
The US government is spying on each and every one of us, but it is Edward Snowden who is charged with espionage for tipping us off.
It is getting to the point where the mark of international distinction and service to humanity is no longer the Nobel Peace Prize, but an espionage indictment from the US Department of Justice.
Edward Snowden is the eighth leaker to be charged with espionage under this president.
Bradley Manning’s show trial enters its fourth week on Monday.
After a litany of wrongs done to him, the US government is trying to convict him of "aiding the enemy."
The word "traitor" has been thrown around a lot in recent days.
But who is really the traitor here?
Who was it who promised a generation "hope" and "change," only to betray those promises with dismal misery and stagnation?
Who took an oath to defend the US constitution, only to feed the invisible beast of secret law devouring it alive from the inside out?
Who is it that promised to preside over The Most Transparent Administration in history, only to crush whistleblower after whistleblower with the bootheel of espionage charges?
Who combined in his executive the powers of judge, jury and executioner, and claimed the jurisdiction of the entire earth on which to exercise those powers?
Who arrogates the power to spy on the entire earth - every single one of us - and when he is caught red handed, explains to us that "we’re going to have to make a choice."
Who is that person?
Let’s be very careful about who we call "traitor".
Edward Snowden is one of us.
Bradley Manning is one of us.
They are young, technically minded people from the generation that Barack Obama betrayed.
They are the generation that grew up on the internet, and were shaped by it.
The US government is always going to need intelligence analysts and systems administrators, and they are going to have to hire them from this generation and the ones that follow it.
One day, their generation will run the NSA, the CIA and the FBI.
This isn’t a phenomenon that is going away.
This is inevitable.
And by trying to crush these young whistleblowers with espionage charges, the US government is taking on a generation, and that is a battle it is going to lose.
This isn’t how to fix things.
The only way to fix things is this:
Change the policies.
Stop spying on the world.
Eradicate secret law.
Cease indefinite detention without trial.
Stop assassinating people.
Stop invading other countries and sending young Americans off to kill and be killed.
Stop the occupations, and discontinue the secret wars.
Stop eating the young: Edward Snowden, Barrett Brown, Jeremy Hammond, Aaron Swartz, Gottfrid Svartholm, Jacob Appelbaum, and Bradley Manning.
The charging of Edward Snowden is intended to intimidate any country that might be considering standing up for his rights.
That tactic must not be allowed to work.
The effort to find asylum for Edward Snowden must be intensified.
What brave country will stand up for him, and recognize his service to humanity?
Tell your governments to step forward.
Step forward and stand with Snowden.
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Hmmm, one would have to assume that the NSA has loads of data stored in relation to various crimes,
If so, aren't they obliged to pass that on to local law enforcement,
Wouldn't sitting on it be obstruction of justice?
This nation wasn't founded on secrecy. Obowelmovement said it would be the most transparent administration in history. It's been the least transparent. The government has become tyranical and as the Constitution states that the people can shrug off that which doesn't represent the people.
Ultimately the government goons will lose because WE THE PEOPLE will eventually stand up.
People won't stand up for shit. They will start fighting each other as soon as the first major global supply chain breaks. Imagine a billion rice-eaters not being able to eat rice, or four bllion wheat-eaters not being able to eat wheat.
The Obama administration is the most transparent administration in history. The part he left out was the fact that his administration is a one-way mirror.
Looking out, it is incredibly transparent, since he can see just about everything that everyone does. Looking in? Completely reflective, opaque and distorted. So if you want to give credit where none is due, you could claim he was half right... and totally deceptive.
Assange asks 'who is it?'. And who it is is BH Obama. He said Yes We Can. I for one heard his emptiness and deceit and saw him coming and said But Let's Not.
Assange asks what brave country will stand with Snowden? I believe it will be Russia. My, how fast the tables have turned.
How come the U.S. isn't charging The Guardian newspaper (well-named paper, that) with espionage?
Don't they have the nerve?
ASSANGE you blow.
SNOWDEN you suck.
Both of you are intellectually dishonest. And cheap shot artists.
You ignore the real world reality of a threat to an "inalienable Right to Life..."
...say the Boston Marathon and blown off legs. Underwear Bomber. Shoe Bomber. Times SQ Bomber.
and take a one sided arguement that the USA is "criminal" and "evil"...
OK. Then what about the rest of the world? DUH!
Are All Muslim Extremists just misunderstood beared dudes with a grudge? Or a bomb?
To all citizens of the Hedge:
Please do not feed the trolls.
Need to change your name to Republi-Kunt! FOAD.
Schuuuuuultzzzzz!
Hooooogaaannnnn!!
"A day without sex is a day wasted"
Bob Crane from "Auto Focus"
Yep, now where did I put that ball gag?
"Go get the Gimp" Last I saw he was wearing it with a black hood.
Stolen from another classic "Pulp Fiction".
No, the Muslim extremists are being played by the same people criticized by Assange and Snowden. Witness the US support of AQ in Egypt and Syria and soon Afghanistan. So you correctly view a symptom but mistake it for a cause it is not.
"human privacy has been secretly eradicated"
I disagree with this statement, my privacy is the same as it was in the 70's (for whatever that's worth) simply because I don't feel the need to use A: Cellphones B: Social media C: the Internet to communicate at all.
My camera doesn't have GPS for the most part I'm a throwback to the 70's.
Even so nothing got "eroded" or "eradicated" it was given away, people gave away their privacy, that's really the truth of the matter… so enough crying about "privacy".
<<my privacy is the same as it was in the 70's (for whatever that's worth) simply because I don't feel the need to use A: Cellphones B: Social media C: the Internet to communicate at all.>>
You are right that most people are way too stupid in what they give away. I didn't down-arrow you, but I should point out that you used the internet to type your reply.
That means, you're logged now, and they have some information on you, and possibly more than you realise. This is something you should care about, because the internet is also probably the main reason we aren't under a "New World Order" government right now.
Without the internet, successful propaganda becomes much easier.
Yet you somehow have logged on to the internet to comment on this site. koan, that moniker and paper bag is not fooling us. We know who you are, where you live, your banking activities and even what your last meal was and if we don't like your attitude we will call you out as a "whacko" and "render" you.
Are you still sure your privacy is the same? Keep believing that chief if that helps you sleep at night.
A propos of giving away our information and the difficulty of NOT doing that, this report from a few days ago:
http://news.yahoo.com/pa-mcdonalds-franchise-sued-over-153354044.html
<< A single mother who worked briefly at a northeastern Pennsylvania McDonald's franchise is suing the owners after she said she was given a fee-laden debit card and told that she must use it to access her earnings. ...Gunshannon was hired April 24 at the McDonald's in Shavertown and worked for a month before quitting. She was given her first paycheck and, along with it, the debit card. She said she did not sign the debit card or enroll in the payroll system because she believed the fees would reduce her future earnings to below minimum wage.
According to the lawsuit, the J.P. Morgan Chase payroll card carries fees for numerous transactions. They include a $1.50 minimum charge for an ATM withdrawal, $5 for an over-the-counter cash withdrawal, $1 to check the balance, 75 cents per online bill payment and $15 to replace a lost or stolen card.
State law entitles employees to choose to be paid by options including check or cash, said the lawyer, Mike Cefalo.
The lawsuit seeks damages against the franchise owners, Albert and Carol Mueller, who own 15 other McDonald's locations throughout northeastern Pennsylvania, and accuses them of illegally padding their profits with the payroll card system. McDonald's was not named as a defendant. >>
Natch, the entity managing these debit cards is the JPig...
If Snowden had collected information and demonstrated that a foreign agency had spied/eavesdropped on U.S. citizens nationwide and completely compromised their privacy rights, setting them up for political extortion, military information and other compromises, he would have been given a promotion and a bonus. I am astounded at the number of authorities and elected reps who advocate, in this domestic case, to instead kill the messenger.
No kidding. The phenomenon of "uncritically routing for [what you imagine is] the home team" should be added to the list of "major psychoses".
World Bank Insider Blows Whistle on Corruption, Federal Reserve
http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/15473-world-bank-in...
Fuck these government pricks. When do we get to charge them with espionage against the American people.
There's a reason this Congress has a 9% approval rate despite the fact a bunch of dipshits voted them back in. They suck.
Irony occurs when the greatest spy nation of all time, charges one of it's own spies, for releasing secrets directly related to the extent of their spying. You just can't trust anyone, can you?
Some interesting observations. lunaticfringe style. http://thecivillibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/06/irony-justice-coming-on-...
ASSANGE you blow.
SNOWDEN you suck.
Both of you are intellectually dishonest. And cheap shot artists.
You ignore the real world reality of a threat to an "inalienable Right to Life..."
...say the Boston Marathon and blown off legs. Underwear Bomber. Shoe Bomber. Times SQ Bomber.
and take a one sided arguement that the USA is "criminal" and "evil"...
OK. Then what about the rest of the world? DUH!
Are All Muslim Extremists just misunderstood beared dudes with a grudge? Or a bomb?
Maybe you should focus statistically more likely threats to life like bee stings or interacting with the police. Your 6 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist.
All of those "terrorist" attacks you mention were actually perpetrated by the government itself. If you believe otherwise, you need to wise the fuck up pronto.
To all citizens of the Hedge:
Please do not feed the trolls. :-)
A public service announcement from your local more-light less-heat committee.
Sometimes trolls get a few crumbs while the fence-sitters get educated. It's a trade off. ;)
Please tell me under which rock you live so that I can avoid it.
What choices do they have when dealing with an intellectually dishonest government? Just continue putting their heads in the sand? Many a words were said about Ellsberg too. The difference is, his supporters then are the most hawkish when it comes to wanting to castrate these two guys.
We all get the government has shit to do that we can't and won't and don't need to be privy their activites, especially over foreign soil but this is so far over the line it's not even close. When any citizen can be spied on for no other reason than because somebody feels like it then WTF are we left with? When Bush started this business, most in this administration were shocked and appalled at the notion of this invasion of privacy for the average citizen and the NY Times was the head cheerleader. Yet the last 5 years it was somehow pallatable to them and they vehmenently support these activities or at least looked the other way as if it weren't happening. I wonder how they will feel when the next conservative is in power and uses intimidation and wire taps against the media for their reporting and uses IRS etc...to target ACLU and other more liberal leaning groups. If they don't speak now and continue to dissent they won't have the credibility to become appalled later.
At some point you can't cherish safety so much that you are willing to have camera's or troops live with you against your will. Somebody please explain where the line is? Camera's/recording devices, in my view, is the same as a troop given with one phone call my home could be obliterated with a surgical strike from a drone before I could finish taking a piss, reasons to be made up later. No one would even give a damned. So do we as a people have more to fear from a rougue government official than a "terrorist"?
Mr. Obama stated "we as a society need to have this debate", well after the cat was let out of the bag I might add. Just what part of society will get to participate in that debate. I venture to guess that it will include a wide cross section of society consisting of some 20 unnamed elites that will be kept private due to "national security" issues. Also I think our government has taking the page out of the playbook that states "it's better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission", only our government has gotten so powerful they leave out the beg for forgiveness part they just do and say "fuck you it's for your own good, trust us."
One can envision the ghost of the founding fathers banging on their wooden desk in resounding approval of the above while inside Inedpendence Hall debating the current sorry state of affairs that their once beloved land, the very land they sacrificed for with blood, sweat, tears and intelllect, has devolved from.
Or it could be put like this: Washington's Monument, the once proudly erect structure commemorating hard fought liberty is now nothing but a limp, impotent phlacid appendage where one can but only reminicse of vibrant days of yore.
There's a lot of good people who took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution that are doing some really hard thinking since the Snowden thing broke.
visualize wishful thinking! .... like obamma, they were all vetted by prism before election.
Problem is they weren't asked to think hard about anything. The oath doesn't say anything about "thinking" it is pretty clear and upfront about "upholding and defending". That's it, no thinking, no considering, just DOING above all else.
I've heard they say they "serve at the pleasure of the president" and in fact that should be ammended to them "serving at the pleasure of the american people".
USA - the most corrupt nation in the world!
Anybody with half a brain knows what is going on. That is a lot of people and a lot of people with resources. Therefore all is not lost. espionage against the Federal Banksters is truly a heroic act. Long live the revolution.
Also what the retards paying for all this shit don't realize is that it only works until it becomes easier and more lucrative to turn against it. Which happens quick in an economically challenged world. There is a high probability that we will live to see Eric Holder, Lindsey Graham, Diane Feinstein and others like Bernanke, Obama, Bush, Blankfein and Dimon all serving life sentences.
How dare he criticise President Dicksuck's Nobel Prize!
Nobel committee have lost all their credibility. The redemption will be hard to come by.
Godspeed.
Assange:
My comments:
Gottfrid Svartholm Warg was convicted for hacking what seems to be ordinary customer´s bank accounts just a few days ago (June 20, 2013). He actually managed to transfer some money from a Danish trade union´s bank account. Does Julian Assange know about that? In case not, maybe someone should tell him about it. Articles in Swedish:
http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/fangelse-for-svartholm-warg_8280980.svd
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article16997376.ab
My pet theory(uninformed) is that Snowden is a CIA operative(he never left) and the CIA wants to take the NSA down because it has gained too much power(the FBI is just the implementor service of the NSA) and it has been treading into the CIAs jurisdiction(foreign spying and surveillance.) NSA is an out of control, nasty little organization which makes the CIA look quaint.
How else does Snowden get into Booz-Allen, swipe material, get on a plane to HK with laptops and get the press signed up for him. And who is holding the deadman material that is going to get released if Snowden is whacked? The Guardian?. I say the CIA wants the NSA to be depowered or dismantled-under a shitstorm with Congress and the works.
Jon Rappoport thanks you for thinking seriously abou this.
...ummmm...interesting that this scenario doesn't make Snowden a liar... or any less a "whistleblower"... but expalins how he was able to move from one agency to another... and then to Booz for a few weeks... then make a fairly amazing/dramatic escape... and while the datapoints are not clear... there are definitely connections to Benghazi and other patterns of events... which give one cause to say "ummmmm"... and this explanation would also explain why Snowden seems so genuine... he likely IS genuine... and perhaps so are the others who are backing him...
what crime exactly did Snowden commit?
he just confirmed what anybody who has been paying attention for the last 20 years already knew.
we already knew the govt was spying on us, we already knew what the fusion centers and data mining facilities were for. most of what he "revealed" was already exposed via the alternative media, including many interviews and op- eds with those who said the same things and were also in a position to know.
this is not a major revelation to anybody who could tear themselves away from the bread and circus sideshow for five minutes. While it was good to hear yet another insider step up and speak out, on what planet does this qualify as "holy shit the sky is going to fall, we will be overrun by screaming terrorists, the entire home land security system has just been compromised" treason?
do they honestly believe we are all really that stupid?
that gullible, that they can keep running back to that same well over and over again?
after all the scandals, corruption, death and chaos they have caused we are supposed to believe that this man is the criminal?
I don't think so.
blackberry +1 I don't believe it either. Just MOAR bullshit. What is their goal with this exactly?
They *hope* we're dumb enough to believe these trumped-up charges, but they MUST publicly destroy Edward Snowden, however flimsy their excuse or whether anyone falls for it. They know they can't "weed out" every man with a conscience from their crooked operation, so they MUST keep their own people terrified of speaking up.
When a guy on the inside risks his neck to come out with docs and confirm the worst, denial is not really an option any more. People will develop new habits. That's progress.
Thanks Edward Snowden.
Given the massive increase in trolls / sockpuppets, I think this topic and the discussion overall is really getting to someone that resorts to using trolls and sockpuppets.
Good! :-)
Yeah, there's a lot of that going around these days.
...ummmm... just a bunch of rothschilds chew toys...
Just want to comment - nothing to add really - just to be a part of this thread.
I deem it important - and well stated - truth.
Snowden FTW.
if you haven't already done so, please sign the Whithouse dot gov Immunity for Snowden
petition.
100% transparency in all govt matters is the only way.
Peace.
why
what has he shown you.
given you
remember when assange said he was going to release info on citibank and bank of america.
remember glenn beck on monday i am going to spill the beans.
remember yo blairs battlefield missles from iraq hitting london within 24hours.
this is all bad actors with a thin script.
israel never shown in a negative light.
you go bang a metal pot outside the white shitehouse
Tony - you're a good guy. You're asking some good questions, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one.
You assume the data is lying around like in a candy store and you have the map to where everythig is. I don't think it works like that.
I think Snowden's job was intercepting traffic. In the course of intercepting, he could see the scale, scope and methods of data capture. He could see where it all goes and never leaves. He could probably see some random interesting things in realtime that made him think along the lines of - 'this is inappropriate/ none of the governments business'.
But to open up a database and say 'Who shot Kennedy?' I don't think it works like that.
There probably are wonks that could do that sort of thing, but that's a different crew, more closely held and they aren't talking.
He could have listened in on anyone, but not secretly. The NSA would know. He'd quickly get a question like - why is recording Eric Holder {insert alternate name here} all day part of your job description? And then we never would have heard of him because he never would have made it to Hong Kong.
Thanks
cia blah blah
hastings said the seals killed bin ladin in pakistan
he never mentioned the 20 that are now dead accidented,suicided,dropped into the sea.
navy seals see
hastings said assange said
they said some browm muslims changed usa usa usa in new york forever on a normal bart simpson day.
and like ass sange hastings and snow blow never talked about helmand h and cia and mi6.
none of these clowns ever talk of israel and low yield battle field compact nukes used and used and used.
club members all in life and satanic death
this is just distract
dragged out long times no fucky no sucky just talky
Maybe Snowden isn't talking about (*INSERT PET CONSPIRACY THEORY HERE*) because, unlike you, his goal is not to derail the topic onto his own conspiratorial hobbyhorse and marginalize everyone in the process?
Just a thought..
ok shit house what has he said.
he must have something on daddy bush or baby bush clinton,blair or barru o A
nothing
moria just like you a big zero
moria get yer dvd and watch zero dark and cheer at the screen usa usa into infinity
:) Thanks for not addressing my point, I was worried I would come back to an intelligent response that would make me think. Saved me the trouble. Danke.
In the USA... fiction is fact, white is black, all is upside down, all is backwards. The average American operated from their fiction, white, upside down, backwards viewpoint and has no clue of REALITY. Mainly because EVIL is just too hard to confront. Social beings just can't confront the EVIL. This is to their detriment because they wind up as boiled frogs.
Who has time to figure out machinations of evil when Kardashen is on T V. And those Doritos chips are irresistable.
Individually the ants can't confront the lizard either.
But somehow they communicate with one another, and somehow there always seems to be enough like minded ants to deal with theIr enemy.
Don't write off the good people just yet...
Lots of communists and other murdering terrorists have received the Nobel Prize.
The Nobel Prize is run by Mossad, that is why.
I always wondered why Judge Alito went with Obamacare. I wonder what Dear Leader found about him that would lend to his change of mind. As Artie Johnson would say, "Verly Interesting."
With the NSA feeding all the information they have to the "Chicago machine" that backs Obama. They'll get all the dirt they want on any opponent in any future election.
I get the feeling that in about 20 years time Assange will be eventually awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
You can all count on it being posthumous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQ9aokO4Vs
Note: Julian told Edward to look into South America just awhile back...?
Nobel Prize Fascist should give themselves a push:
After Henry Kissinger, Moshe Dayan und Barrack Husein Obama, now is the time to give Adolf Eichmann a credit for the achievements for the the fascist agenda ....
( Alen Dulles went under the radar ).
Don't forget to add Yasser Arafat to your list of winners.
Martin Armstrong came up with the perfect solution to protect ourselves and determine the true intentions of our government as regards NSA surveillance, Utah Data Center, etc. Have legislation passed that no American can be prosecuted for any crime in which the data came from this NSA snooping. The data obtained can only be used, and the American citizen can only be prosecuted, if the citizen is guilty of planning or carrying out a terrorist act. If all of this domestic spying is truly to fight terrorism, then the legislative branch should agree to pass this law. If they don't... they have another agenda and America will know that our government and its puppetmasters are the traitors and the criminals.
LEAVE SNOWDEN ALONE YOU ASSHOLES AT NSA!!!!
And, you fvcks are NOT patriots. Snowden IS!!!!!
what intel has he given you
come on spill
buildings infrastructure big fucking deal.
Are the Americans who work for the TSA and/or the NSA and/or any other unconstitutional entity traitors to the constitution some of them swear an oath to?
And are they fascists,,, communists or just ignoramuses?
Does it really matter?
Maybe we should cut the stars and just put a swastika AND a hammer and sickle in a red field. Heck,,, why be coy?
Let's go for it!
Heil ol great leaders!
Dead on with the assessment of the Nobel Prize. Not dead on accurate otherwise.
Barak Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize after being in office one month.
That prize must mean something, After all Jasser Arafat also received it.
My question is: Who is giving the orders to spy on whom? Certainly not the Prez. I believe it is the same people that Eisenhower warned us about. The same people Kennedy was going to throw out. Probably a mix of Jewish Kabbalists, Jesuits and Masons in other words NWO creeps.
I feel a firey plane crash or a watery car crash coming on...
Cancer. Too young for heart attack.
Wanna bet?
There are drugs that can be administered as a frozen needle. Almost undectable at a post-mortem.
To be adminstered by refrigerated gun developed during the Nixon administration.
No... twisted wreckage looks better and more believable on the front page.
o One day, their generation will run the NSA, the CIA and the FBI.
This isn’t a phenomenon that is going away.
That's a little weird. Assange lacks imagination. W/o the ponzi would any of this exist?
W/o the ponzi, who will fund the police state?
It sure looks like the ponzi is going away.
Two, SEPARATE cases
1. Assange's ire against people changing history may be justified, but his belief in NO SECRETS is naive and dangerous: On 9/11/2001 the Arabs came here to kill innocent civilians. (I don't get that; nor why they think of themselves as brave). The point is Assange's naive belief in no secrets caused leaks that helped them in their war against our civilians. I like my life, and do not forgive him this. NO secrets applies only when there is nobody out there looking to use them to kill you.
2. From a DP point of view, it is much smarter to accumulate data in advance of crimes, rather than trying to do so after the fact. Having accumulated that, the NSA should have some due process for looking at it, in recognition of its moral importance. Snowden decided to forego his entire life (he will never work again), his knockout girlfriend, and our western menu of foods, just so that he would speak up about something immoral that did not need to be so. I have to applaud the strength of his conviction. If I am missing something, could the NSA please speak up.
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/06/22/analysis-by-pilots-exposes-the-911-coverup/
Pilots analyze 9-11.
I have listened to this.
It does discuss how the routes were very suspicious.
It does point to some additional planner being involved with the routes.
It does not prove that the planner was (or was not) the U.S. Govt. Maybe some other conspirator never caught. I have also haerd of documentation that Osama Bin Laden had advance knowledge of the attacks.
P.S. I would vote for Snowden for president
It's just a thought, but the word has come too late, that a bad idea will take.. just about a lifetime to explain.. And don't ya see? A good one's gonna be.. much longer.. Who's gonna wait, just to see?
Grogman, give ants a break, they're not even really their own individual organisms.. An ant is just an extension of the queen, and I know you ant lovers don't wanna hear it but.. Ants are not individuals, they live and die for the cause. It is what it is.
Good article.
In summary, what we need to do is get back to the Constitiution-if our would-be masters were forced to abide by it we wouldn't be in the f-ing mess we are now.
P.S. Two of the real f-ing traitors are in the white h0use and so-called "justice" dept. Just us dept?