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Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong On Flight To Moscow

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Edward Snowden is no longer in Hong Kong. About an hour ago, the Hong Kong Authority released a statement which says that the NSA whistleblower has left Hong Kong today "on his own accord through a lawful and normal channel" which was yet another slap in the face of the US, saying the US provisional arrest warrant "did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law."

In fact, not only did the HK authority defy the US arrest warrant, but it officially demands that the US clarify its own hacking of Hong Kong computer systems:

"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has normally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."

So having been given the blessing of HK (and thus China) to defy the US, Snowden is now en route to Moscow (see flight tracker below), from where he is said he may continue further to Iceland, although according to a conflicting report from Russia's Interfax his ultimate destination is Havana, Cuba, while some note that he may be headed to Caracas Venezuela instead. Of course, he may just remain in Moscow: it's not as if Putin will comply with any American extradition order.

Somewhat surprisingly, Wikileaks appears directly involved:

More From SkyNews:

The whistleblower Edward Snowden, who leaked details about US snooping, has left Hong Kong for Russia, according to reports.

 

His departure was revealed on the website of the Hong Kong newspaper the South China Morning Post, which said that Russia was not thought to be his intended final destination.

 

It is thought that the eventual destination could end up being Iceland or Ecuador. 

 

He is understood to have left on the Russian airline Aeroflot flight SU213.

 

The paper said it left Hong Kong around 11am local time (4am UK time) and was due to arrive in Moscow around 5.15pm local time (1pm UK time). It is believed to be currently in the air.

 

The White House had asked Hong Kong to extradite him, after he was charged in the US with espionage. 

 

An Icelandic newspaper reported four days ago that Snowden had asked Iceland for political asylum.

 

The website of the South China Morning Post said: "US whistleblower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight to Moscow, credible sources have confirmed to the South China Morning Post. 

 

"Moscow will not be his final destination."

 

The Hong Kong government later confirmed Snowden had left and said that he did so legally and voluntarily.

 

"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies.

"The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."

 

The Russian President's office said it has not been given any information about Mr Snowden's imminent arrival.

Track Snowden's flight in real time via Flightradar 24: flight AFL213.

 


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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:20 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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This actually makes me happy.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:32 | Link to Comment theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Look guys, I work for the government. So I know what I'm talking about here. Guys like Snowden are a real menace - don't start eulogizing over them. We have to face facts, and the facts are that information has never been more important. Therefore, we, the government, the people, need to keep a handle on that information - its our greatest weapon against those that would seek to do us harm.

You people making a hero of Snowden are oblivious to the multitude of external threats should we let our enemies and those that would do us harm access to free, private, communication.

Join the fight in hunting Snowden down. He's free to fight his case infront of a free and democratic judge and jury. Thats the best way to present his case, anyway. If he hadn't done anything wrong, why go half way round the world seeking the protection of dubious regimes anyway??

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:44 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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your comment is reminiscent of your name

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:52 | Link to Comment YuropeanImbecille
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Interesting how no one is talking about the fact that Snowden is a Mossad asset, just like Assange.

 

Zionist playing the US against China for obvious reasons.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:00 | Link to Comment vato poco
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Uh huh. And you, well-connected dialed-in mofo that you are, know this blockbuster info.....how, exactly?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:13 | Link to Comment SheepRevolution
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Welcome Vladimir Putin to the fellowship of Heroes. Here you will meet such fine living legends such as Edward Snowden, Ron Paul and Bradley Manning.

 

These news really made me happy :)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:18 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Hahahaha... How to lose friends and influence people.

Go USA...

Just take out that gun you're entitled to, and blow that fuckin' foot off... yeah...

The man's a public servant for christ's sake, and he's done an excellent job. Leave him the fuck alone.

Disclaimer: I love George Bush and Obama. I think they're great..... just in case don't you know...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:21 | Link to Comment imaginalis
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I hope he buys an old car that lacks hackable steering and acceleration controls

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:27 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Look guys, I work for the government. So I know what I'm talking about here.

 

Heh heh....I'd rather take my chances with the terrorists. At least you know what those guys are really about.

The interesting part will be if the Russians actually let him go to Iceland.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:27 | Link to Comment nmewn
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That was priceless wasn't it? ;-)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment malikai
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Imagine that. The year 2013 and political dissidents flee the USA for Iceland via Moscow and China. - How far we've gone.

Putin gets 1000 points if he meets snowden on the ground and grants him immediate asylum - wether Snowden wants it or not.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:33 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Imagine that. The year 2013 and political dissidents flee the USA for Iceland via Moscow and China."

lol...appeals to patriotism seem to be falling on deaf ears lately.

No small wonder...not one big fish in jail from the 2008 financial debacle, IRS political favortism, Bil of Rights violations as far as the eye can see, vicious attacks on savers, passing laws requiring one engage in commerce, instead of a voluntary action as it has always been.

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."-V

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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Where's Waldo?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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"not one big fish in jail..."

beat me to it, nmewn

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment Harlequin001
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Of course the big question for Hong Kong and everywhere else would be, "Why bother signing all these tax information exchange agreements when the US can simply hack its computers and steal the information anyway?"...

So, can we agree then that the US doesn't need any agreements other than to hide the fact that it has full and unfettered access to stolen tax files, just needs some means it can rely on to make these files admissible in court?

Disclaimer: I love George Bush and Obama. I think they're great..... just in case don't you know...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:32 | Link to Comment MissCellany
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So strange to see an American defecting to Russia (even if only temporarily)...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:30 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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They're here to help... as always... [government]

~~~

I used to have a NEWER model truck that the steering was hacked... Everytime I got in it it drove straight to the liquor store... & you people always wonder why your boats are always sinking...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:43 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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I used to own a little car that had the exact same issue. I sold it and made some changes, now I trudge a road to a happier destiny!

My hope is for more Ed Snowdens to appear in this country, more information to be exposed on the treacherous path of these ,gov tyrants who control things currently.

This is still a great movie being played out in realtime as the world watches.

DaddyO

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:31 | Link to Comment hivekiller
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I work for the government and I'm here to help. Rates right up there with, "of course I'll respect you in the morning" and "I am not a crook".

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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"Trust me." My personal favorite.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:26 | Link to Comment myne
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Three things should always be mechanical.

Brakes.

Steering.

Clutch.

I hate autos.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:42 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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In the book Real Men Don't Eat Quiche, the author advocated for automatic transmissions: "Real men aren't afraid of having their cars do the shifting for them," or some such words.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:11 | Link to Comment YuropeanImbecille
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Here is one of the people behind the talk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEmbmfgbo_M

 

Listen, I do not expect you mental midgets to get your heads around this. I am just telling you how it is, so when you face your destiny you can not claim you were "uninformed".

 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:26 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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He should head to Tel Aviv... I'm sure they'd roll out the red carpet...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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A mental midget is king in the land of the mental amoebas.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:26 | Link to Comment francis_sawyer
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In the land of the one eyed snakes ... The circumcized snake charmer is king...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:47 | Link to Comment giddy
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...ummmm...based on m.o.... the girlfriend likely is...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Alexandre Stavisky
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Spy v. Spy creates advantages for power brokers.  (1) great distraction from the looting (2) puts evildoers who don't have official cartel sanction on notice that WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! (3) Renews the old false cold war dichotomies (4) Gives the impression that intelligence capabilities have reached a globally unified fusion of complete reach touching every human being and node of intelligence on the planet (5) Increases the fear and awe of power to keep the sheeple in line

It is all complete tomfoolery.  Just remember that all these minds/bodies in the employ of gov't and military are usually lazy, full of personal defects, sloppy, and full of error.  Rarely are those who devote their life's labours to the police state in any way equal to one striving in the private sector in their everyday make-something-out-of-nothing.  The truly talented would never sell their souls to spooky intelligence agencies, they would be making some seriously soul-gratifying invention or creative work.  Snooping in everyone's underwear drawers is contemptible.

It does take some mind share away by distraction from the primary problem though, and so:

Time for your secular catechism.  You can't have a mingled approach believing in some free market pricing mechanism of one sector while fully understanding that the FED/Banking cartel OWNS other parts.  Years ago if I'd said, "The Fed will step in to purchase virtually all bonds and agencies".  I'd have been laughed to scorn.

The Fed has unlimited powers to produce the claim upon the nation's wealth.

The supervisory and regulatory powers have been captured and stripped of powers to protect the interests of the individuals.

There is no free-market "double-blind" trading.

It's acknowledged that the NSA has deep pervasive blanket spying activities on the population.  You think your trading practices, portfolio, and risk temperament haven't been sniffed through and used to transfer your savings/capital to the financial sector?

There are no powers to check the price making powers of the cartel.  They can make any physical market zero cents or a trillion dollars.   Thin air money causes them no pain and a bottomless purse can move markets to ANY point they desire.  Talk of loss of control is laughable.  The only constraint would be the repudiation of the currency.

The cold fact is that the global economy is under long term contraction.  The emission of money without sound backing by either a commodity or the true production of the economy can create an illusion of growth that can be funneled into financial instruments...to prolong the game.  If sound money were the baseline of the economy all principal would be withdrawn from nearly all investment as the only probable return would HAVE TO BE NEGATIVE.

Powerful entities are fighting for their existence.  That they must do so in open sunshine defying all the moral, civil, legal, ethical codes is a testament to the desperation and duress.  The pirates much prefer operating under cloak of darkness and in secrecy.

Pretending that gain can be obtained from the corrupted financial process when you are fully aware how blatantly manipulated all the global markets are is intellectual cowardice.

IT WAS OVER LONG AGO.  YOU MAY CROW ABOUT SHORT TERM GAINS FROM THE HOUSE TODAY, BUT EVENTUALLY (UNLESS YOU COMPLETELY REMOVE YOURSELF FROM PARTICIPATION) THE HOUSE WILL CAUSE YOU DEEP LOSSES.  THEY WILL ANYWAY TO EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET AS THEY DILUTE AND DESTROY OUR BARTERING MECHANISM--MONEY.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 21:28 | Link to Comment BidnessMan
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Living up to your pen name?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:49 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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Again....

"Snowden's a singleton seeking to reconnect with a one night stand. Like Cruise, he foolishly jumped up and down on a couch publically proclaiming his love, nobody wants a love sick fool; infidelity is the attraction, not loyalty. Running to where the romance first started, like a one night stand turning up on your door step, bad form, bad move, zero craft.
Like watching a blind bull in a china shop (pun intended), hilarious to watch!
I'm not talking about a woman, and I'm not going to spell it out."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-12/snowden-us-government-has-been-hacking-china-years-meet-tao#comment-3652577

America's Paper Hero. Let's see how this Snowden...thing, unfolds, shall we?!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:03 | Link to Comment Urban Roman
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They'll drone ya when you're talkin' on the phone ...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Whatta
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They'll drone ya when your trying to wet your bone...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:54 | Link to Comment nmewn
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They'll drone ya when your driving in your car...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:08 | Link to Comment redpill
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They'll drone you when you say they've gone to far...

Don't die by Hellfire all alone!
Eeeeeeverybody must get droned!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Strut
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They'll drone you when once made out to be a liar...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:38 | Link to Comment 1C3-N1N3
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They'll drone you if they "suspect" you conspire.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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They'll drone ya when you're playing your guitar.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:30 | Link to Comment myne
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Wait... is the NSA Santa Clause?

You better watch out 

You better not cry 

You better not pout 

I'm telling you why 

Santa Claus is coming to town 

He's making a list, 

Checking it twice; 

Gonna find out who's naughty or nice. 

Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping 

He knows when you're awake 

He knows if you've been bad or good 

So be good for goodness sake 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:06 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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No. Santa isn't real. :(

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 01:08 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Santa Bot (Futurama):  "Your misletoe is no match for my TOW Missile!"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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They'll drone you when yer drinkin' at the bar.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:47 | Link to Comment Au Member
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Dont respond to this it's a honey trap to gauge your reaction to formulate their next chess move. Probably fail the turing test if you asked it questions. I was a military officer so understand the need for secrecy but my gradparents fought this form of fascism that the NSA is working for

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:00 | Link to Comment silvermail
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It is our peaceful the democratic opposition in Syria and this is our bright future in our countries:
http://x2t.com/229882

Glossary of terms:

The international community – the United States, and subject the country.
Peaceful citizens – citizens who receive weapons from the United States and kill in the interest of the United States.
Democrat – a terrorist who kills women and children in Washington’s interests and in the name “values ??of democracy”.
Main value of democracy – oil.
Obama – the white dove of peace.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:06 | Link to Comment theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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Thats rubbish.

You are free to say whatever you like - I only intend to report you to my superiors if I consider you may present a legitimate threat.

I'm here to win over the hearts and minds - to convince people of the clear need for surveillance in a rapidly changing and dangerous world. I'm not here to shop people to my superiors, as you conspiracy nuts would like to believe.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:13 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Well, let me guess: Your superiors, on the other hand, are free to declare whatever they don't like me to say as a 'legitimate' threat, right? You would be well advised to question your 'superiors', and ask yourself how they achieved the positions they are in. What you are saying strongly reminds me of Adolf Eichmanns argumentation, back in 1960. Beware authoritarian personalities! 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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I only intend to report you to my superiors

 

You'll have to wait until someone gets back to the nurses station first.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Au Member
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theMAXILOPEZpsycho, here's a quote from a speech that you might like to study:

 

I cannot recognize the verdict of guilty. . . . It was my misfortune to become entangled in these atrocities. But these misdeeds did not happen according to my wishes. It was not my wish to slay people. . . . Once again I would stress that I am guilty of having been obedient, having subordinated myself to my official duties and the obligations of war service and my oath of allegiance and my oath of office, and in addition, once the war started, there was also martial law. . . .That is what the government did. . . . At that time obedience was demanded, just as in the future it will also be demanded of the subordinate

**Edited to remove reference to religion that will inflame**

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nuremberg_defense

 

My polite advice is to try and stop being a mindless, souless tool, start serving your fellow humans and not the psycho's who have captured the global political process

 

(that's me for the Gulag- Cheers Prism you cunt)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment eXMachina
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theMAXILOPEZpsycho works for the government therefore is a traitor to our freedoms. I'm sharpening my pitchfork, it has your name on it!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:36 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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only if you are a legitmate threat to his......vagina....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:30 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Wait until your father learns what you're posting. Or did you forget his face?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:17 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Can we ban this guy's whole IP block, please?  Block them from being able to read too.

You are a traitor to your countrymen, and to the ideals our forefathers died for.  You are Nero's slave.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:08 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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I think folks forgot to turn on their troll detectors.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:12 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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I'm not here to shop people to my superiors

Sound like you are familiar with coworkers "shopping" people to superiors, which is exactly the kind of abuse that is being brought to light. You are just seeing the low level analyst coworker level and not on congressional detail where everything is picked up and sorted for future reference. It's much easier for Emperor Alexander to get what he asks for if there are a few compliant Congressmen.  Alexander's thinking is probably like most military minds "Why have the most powerful cyber weapon in the world if you are not going to use it?", "How can I make it more powerful?", "How can I use this for foreign coporate espionage?" and unchecked reduces to "What can we do about that journalist who is a pain in the ass?"..

So far it sounds like a system with no oversight. Well, they say it has oversight, there are secret laws that designate secret courts with secret judges that allow secret recording that no one in the Congressional oversight committee is allowed to see. Hard to see any potential abuse issues with that...

 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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Interesting odd glitch. When I mouse over the votes on the above post it does not allow any voting on this particular post. All other posts are active and allow and all my other posts allow. Logged out logged in and turned computer on and off. Tried editing. Edit : Anyone else see this type of problem?... Edit2 If I were a conspiracy nut I would say someone can remotely shut off voting on a paricular post.....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:23 | Link to Comment i-dog
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You're not supposed to vote yourself up. Tsk, tsk.

 

Also, you can't vote on a post with a quote as the first line. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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The issue was as you mouse over the hand signal to vote was not coming up that particular post but on all others, I checked old posts and it was active on those as part of the investigation process. Have I voted myself up before? Yes, I have also voted myself down before. I am unfamiliar with your remark regarding voting when a quote is on the first line. I have tried a search that has so far yielded no results, if you have a reference it would be appreciated.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 20:37 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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In the past, other have mentioned one system glitch is that posts beginning with a "quote" sign can not be voted on. Perhaps there is a some other type of system glitch that also prevented voting. For example, your post began on the second line, not the first line. Or maybe the system does not like italics as the lead sentence.  My guess is that it is another system glitch that can not handle the syntax of your post.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment gratefultraveller
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yep, same here - no voting on that particular post.

voting on other posts with a quote on the first line? works.

Interesting...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:22 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Russian President Vladimir Putin talks NSA, Syria, Iran, Drones and Terrorism
http://www.globalresearch.ca/russian-president-vladimir-putin-talks-nsa-...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:40 | Link to Comment Satan
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" I'm not here to shop people to my superiors"

Lol..I don't think the head of janitorial services gives a fuck.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:16 | Link to Comment Ban KKiller
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It worked...Iceland one of few countries that stood up to the banks. Stooge!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:04 | Link to Comment Meat Hammer
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I only intend to report you to my superiors if I consider you may present a legitimate threat.

If YOU consider ME a legitimate threat???  So if I consider you a legitimate threat to my freedom can I make a citizen's arrest and make you prove that you're not?  

You, sir, may go fuck yourself.  Is that legitimately threatening enough for you?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Where is Al Swearengin when we need some close-in knifework?

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 04:01 | Link to Comment Brazen Heist
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Funny how your losing hearts and minds. Stop drinking that koolaid your superiors are giving you.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:56 | Link to Comment i-dog
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First, put Holder in front of a "free and democratic judge and jury"! We need to do these things in order....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:05 | Link to Comment TwoShortPlanks
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"Free and democratic", so I'm guessing America won't be on the list.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:14 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Pretty damn "free and democratic" if your name is Jon Corzine.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:56 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Ed Snowden is being hunted down like a dog by the DOJ and John Crozine is.......By the same asshole that sold military weapons to the drug cartels in lovely Mexico to fuck the 2nd amendment. This my friend is a shitstorm.

 

P.S. Clapper lied NSA chief

Two top "officials" in the state dept lied about the investigation

Lois Lerner, director of the IRS’ exempt organizations unit, pleads the 5th

 

Bring in the Q-Group for these fuckers!!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:08 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit:)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:19 | Link to Comment Dugald
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit:)

It is also the cleverest, you forgot to mention.....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Poor Grogman
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Also who came up with the stupid idea that you should never talk about religion or politics?

The two most interesting subjects? WTF!

Looks like conditioning was around long before TV

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Satan
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You lost me at " I work for the government. So I know what I'm talking about here".

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:14 | Link to Comment de3de8
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In other words, " I know what's best for you"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:51 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Could we please just some respect for authority here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvqYYJSv3I

 

If you could just shake out your bra for us.......that would be awesome.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid901003917?bctid=2492646271001

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:13 | Link to Comment Roandavid
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It is my sincerest hope for you sir that you are the secret, illigitimate spawn of MDB seeking the approval of your absent father by following in his unholy footsteps.

If not?

Damn!!!! You are an epic maroon and are employed by the only entity on this planet that could possibly afford to keep you.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Quiet.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:04 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Now put your hands up.....no.....we don't need a freakin warrant.

 

No wonder they kept telling them to keep their hands up.....all those guys......and gals, especially the infants....looked like Russian terrorists to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xv6jL1NXQI

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Syrian Islamist Terrorists (Rebels): “Anyone Who Curses God Is Given Three Days To Repent, Anyone Who Curses The Prophet Is Killed Immediately”… Just another excuse to kill. Nadia Umm Fuad watched her son being shot by Islamist rebels in Syria after the 14-year-old referred to the Prophet Mohammed as he joked with a customer at his coffee stall in Aleppo. Mohammed Katta’s mother witnessed the execution of her son in three stages. http://x2t.com/230080

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:58 | Link to Comment Spielbank
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Who really wants to do us harm? come on, i dont see upcoming harm except our own government!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:25 | Link to Comment pepperspray
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Which reminds me of the biggest news story in my life this week, the guys busted by the FBI conspiring to build the hood-monted, battery powered x-ray gun.

Tuesday night I drove past the sting site.  2 unmarked feds, a NYS Trooper SUV and the "criminal's" POS '95 Saturn missing a wheel cover.  No crime scene tape, but the Trooper was standing out next to the road watching the communter traffic pass.  You should have seen this trooper, I swear to God this cop had in hands on his hips and chest stuck out like the MF'er just saw Man of Steel over the weekend.

How does the FBI criminally charge you for building a weapon that physically can not exist and will not work?

 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Moe Howard
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You said;

 

How does the FBI criminally charge you for building a weapon that physically can not exist and will not work?

 

That's for them to know and you to find out.

 

BTW, has the DoD interviewed these guys? Can't that xray device be mounted to a drone or something?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:22 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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The news stories on that X-ray device did not make physical sense. Of course, the MSM are always totally ignorant of science, and the Feds probably didn't tell them anything either. I'd like to know what really happened.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:16 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Thought crime as defined in secret by FISA judges.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:18 | Link to Comment tuttisaluti
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The question is....who did wrong?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:34 | Link to Comment zerozulu
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Thanks for your comments. It perfectly makes sense if I multiply your comments with minus one (x(-1))

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:21 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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"free and democratic judge and jury"? in the US? Hahahahaa!!!

"protection of dubious regimes"...I think what you should say is "protection FROM dubious regimes". The US Government is the biggest and most violent terrorist on earth.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:02 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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CNN keeps wondering out loud "How did he get away!"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:28 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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You doing us a real public service.....someone has to watch CNN.

Now if you could just check on MSNBC for us....that would be swell.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:03 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Nice to see you again Gordon..

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:26 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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When the Patriots take over Prism in the dial days of the State, they will then know where to find all the State supporters. It cuts both ways traitor.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Yeah, Long Rope.

What goes around comes around, Cocksuckers.

I would not waste a fucking bullet on you bastards.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Rope's good for better things. Feed them to the ants.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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On behalf of the plundered taxpayers, fuck you and your "government job"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:48 | Link to Comment dow2000
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Fuck you...people like you are the problem

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:07 | Link to Comment xtop23
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Look, that's bullshit. That's the same rationale behind the whole, " If you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear from Big Brother and the surveillance state."

What applies to a nation's citizenry goes double for the mechanisms that govern them.

The "chilling effect" on freedom of speech alone makes such programs anathema to Americans with any intelligence. 

The , "It makes us safer" line, has been tested and shown for the bullshit that it is.

Snowden did the right thing. He blew the whistle on what is clearly illegal acts on the part of the US, and as such, should be applauded not burned in effigy.

Get your head right for Christ sakes.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment silvermail
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Government: We will turn your country into one big prison. You all have to live in the prison, as our slaves. But this is only for the sake of your safety.
In this prison will be a lot of prohibitions, restrictions, and many many guards.
But you must not forget: In every big prison, always kill far more frequently than in freedom. Long live the our true democracy!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:35 | Link to Comment foodstampbarry
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I'm from the government and I'm here to help. LMFAO!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment Republi-Ken
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THANK GOD. ONE SANE VOICE ON ZERO HEDGE....I agree.

SNowden is not only a "fool" but his entire arguement is intellectually FALSE.

Snowdne ignores that there is a threat. HE never mentions any reason why.

And he ignores the extremely vigorous debate in 2005-6 about surveillance.

 Snowden is old news. ABout 8 years old.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:52 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Republi-Ken bleated:

Snowdne ignores that there is a threat.

Snowden pointed out the threat. That's why the government fears him.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:16 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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It's encouraging how little anti-Snowden reaction there's been on ZH. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:55 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Wow, I did not know ZH was so popular with the assholes who betray their countrymen.

(ed. Sarcasm).

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:50 | Link to Comment RSloane
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ETA 23 minutes! Do your duty and go hunt him down in Moscow, MAXIL. I'm very glad he made the journey without his plane blowing up, so I won't be joining you.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:48 | Link to Comment negue
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So sorry, could not continue reading after "Therefore, we, the government, the people" ...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:10 | Link to Comment caimen garou
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"Look guys, I work for the government."  must be a postal worker

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:16 | Link to Comment rack
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im from the government and i'm here to help

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Hail Spode
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"He's free to fight his case infront of a free and democratic judge and jury." - You are thinking of the old America.   In the new Amerika, under the NDAA the government can simply ship you off to an undisclosed location and try you in front of whatever secret kangaroo court they want, or not.

 

That is one of the many problems the NDAA has brought about.  Before, were one to find two government agents at the door asking you to come with them, you went.  You knew you can call your lawyer, you knew that they would need real evidence to take you to a real court with a real jury.  Now days, someone please explain to me why the least-worst option available in that situation isn't to pull your gun out and take your chances.   Maybe that is why they are now sending 12 man SWAT teams to make arrests.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment patriphil
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Why dont you do something HEROIC, and Patriotic. Give up your cushy security government job for something BIGGER.....Then lets see what you do?? Will you feel your get FAIR treatment.............................

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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If that is not sarcasm, go to hell, motherfucker.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment garypaul
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I was reading the comment by theMAXILOPEZpsycho 

with an open mind. However, I did not like when he said "if you haven't done anything wrong, there's nothing to worry about". Isn't that Nazi propaganda 101? 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Snowden is a hero. It is the government that is the menace, specifically the alphabet agencies that seem to have gone rogue. I can't believe what this country has turned into in just a few short years and I'd rather see the government burned to the ground than continue down the ugly path it has chosen. I withdraw my consent. I can't image Snowden would actually get a fair trial in this country where the free and democratic judges are wholly owned by the NSA and the jury would certainly be cherry picked so that he can have a show trial before sentencing. Whatever country offers him asylum has my blessing and my heartfelt gratitude. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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"...Blessed is he who in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children..."

 

-- Ezekiel 25:17

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 20:53 | Link to Comment NihilistZero
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Not a religious fellow by any means, but I wouldnt mind the .gov cunts receiving the vengeance of the Lord laid upon them.

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 03:54 | Link to Comment Brazen Heist
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More like if he talked bullshit, then why would the US make such an effort to shut him up?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:23 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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Well done, Vladimir, well done.

Now please take down the US dollar.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Putin may become the new Hero of the American People.

He may be a strongman, but he is not looting the Russian People of everything they own.

Gosh, he even supports the Orthodox Church (even if it may be ploitical).

See any "US" "Leader" supporting a Christian Church?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:26 | Link to Comment dieyoung
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Russia: a new challenger appears!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Godspeed Edward, hero.
Thank you Vlad Putin.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:31 | Link to Comment Go Tribe
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And Godspeed Vlad

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:27 | Link to Comment UnpatrioticHoarder
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He doesn't get a Russian (fighter) escort?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:10 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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The art of distraction.
He's not there.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:53 | Link to Comment fudge
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No need for air support when there are batteries on the ground,if he's on that flight he's inside ring on the Kazak/Chinese wall.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:30 | Link to Comment Vendrell
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The US government is about to take off the muzzle and unleash its full fury of absurdity. This time without cover-ups and faux "justice" but rather pure might. Obama and his cronies are master strategists at tyranny (i.e. DHS arms purchases eliminating the need to pretend to follow the rule of law in the near future) though of course the muzzled version has existed for decades and decades. At least we used to pretend the rule of law mattered.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:14 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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 'The intrusion of government into this domain is symptomatic of the disease of this society. As the years pass, the power of government becomes more and more pervasive. It is a power to suffocate both people and causes. Those in power, whatever their politics, want only to perpetuate it. Now that the fences of the law and the tradition that has protected the press are broken down, the people are the victims. The First Amendment, as I read it, was designed precisely to prevent that tragedy.' Justice Stewart

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:57 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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by what 'might'??

are we going to bomb honk kong? moscow?

 

nah, we are going to econmically depress them. we are going to spy, hack them, we are going to continue pressing 'our' (actually their) interest upon the world (aka Syria). so what is going to be different?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:29 | Link to Comment Cultural Capital
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BETTER CALL SAUL :D

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:08 | Link to Comment saulysw
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You rang?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:15 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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Just hours ago RT.com reported the breaking news, before HKSAR did. They wrote that Russia demanded extradition of Snowden. Now on RT, this part of the news is gone. hmm.......

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:35 | Link to Comment freewolf7
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Because HK wouldn't have been able to stand up to US.
I wish you peace, ES.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:40 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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This has fckn made my day:)

I know it's wrong, but I'm really starting to like the KGB,

Ok, not really, but like, the nude Merkel photo after the Cyprus thing, and now this,

It's hard not to have a little fondness for them,

No wonder that crazy hot gymnast is with Vlad:)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:46 | Link to Comment orkneylad
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Iceland saved Fischer, blew a raspberry at the banksters and is perhaps now a safe haven for Snowden.  Go vikings, but watch your backs!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:36 | Link to Comment bank guy in Brussels
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Bobby Fischer, political refugee from the USA and leading anti-Zionist Jew, died in Iceland shortly after arriving, perhaps murdered by NATO agents - Iceland is a Nato country, crawling with Nato agents, tho not in the EU.

The preferred method of assassination by CIA and Mossad now, if quick death is not urgent, is sprayed disease agents leading to some kind of massive internal medical failure, and that is what happened to Bobby Fischer.

Iceland's government may be fine, but it is not safe there for a US refugee. Neither is Venezuela, where thugs can easily be hired by the CIA to kill Snowden on the street. However accommodating the Venezuelan government, it is the Wild West there with huge crime and criminal murderers for sale for small amounts.

Snowden's best bet for personal safety, would be inside Russia or China. Cuba perhaps not too bad either.

May God protect every dissident and whistleblower and refugee, opposing the US or Israeli governments.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:15 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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A Squad of US Marines could simply launch off a Destroyer and snatch Snowy in the middle of the night if he goes to Iceland. Sheesh - Iceland has only 300K population, and it is only a short hop from there to the US. There is no way Snowy is going to Iceland without faking his death and changing his identity first.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:52 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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Iceland, Cuba, or Venezuela,

If I were Snowy,

I think I'd hang out in Russia for a while,

At least he'd be safe,

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:21 | Link to Comment Legolas
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I think the US has operative in Russia.  I think I remember Matt Damon running from them there.  That was before he flipped, though.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:56 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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Lol:)

The SU213 manifest lists one Sara Harrisson among the passengers,

Well, I'm sure that's simply a coincedence, lol:)

She's probably just on holiday or something:)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 05:59 | Link to Comment MeMadMax
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"Final destination is cuba"

Hell, he might as well off himself then, cuba crawls with CIA...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:05 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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Yeah,

I can't see him getting that flight,

My bet is that he stays in Russia,

Like, what's he gonna do in Iceland, or Venezuela?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:22 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Well, I know what I'd be doing in Iceland, or Venezuela!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:22 | Link to Comment Yes We Can. But...
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Relaxing atop the doghouse...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:55 | Link to Comment KickIce
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He'll be fighting the Red Barron, who now resides in Amerika.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:35 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Here is what he will be doing.  He will be waiting for the military complex, which holds a responsibility to protect American from foreign invasion, to stand the fuck up.

http://metalvideo.us/watch_video.php?v=52d8b50408563b8885a3  (Atomic - Mother - Pink Floyd)  Do you think they'll drop the bomb?  Umm.  Yes.

If no one stands up and puts a stop to this, we are done.  The bombs will drop and their sanctuaries and havens will be the only safe place to eat the food, drink the water, breath the air.  This is not a method of operation for world leaders.  This is the vision of men so out of touch with reality, they have convinced themselves they own the planet. 

You may not go first but you will go.  Fine tuning right down to fucking zero.  They are insatiable for god's sake.  Stop them.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:58 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Man, am I old? What's he gonna do in Iceland? Don't know, but just out of habit I'll suggest to read an interesting book:

Halldór Laxness (Nobel Prize in Literature 1955): 'The Atom Station'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Atom_Station

There happens nothing new under the sun ...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:00 | Link to Comment Quentin Daniels
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While the domestic evesdropping elements got most of the headlines in the US, Prism and other NSA surveillence programs are first and foremost a cyberweapon targeting the rest of the world pretty much in its entirity.  How could the US Govt seriously imagine that any country, except perhaps its lapdogs (UK, Aust.) would co-operate in protecting those systems is beyond me.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:02 | Link to Comment Ribeye
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Hmmm,

Snowy is booked on SU150 to Havanna tomorrow,

Head fake,

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:09 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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A US drone will shoot down the plane. Then the Russians will claim that Snowy has died, even if he wasn't really on the plane.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:13 | Link to Comment sunnyside
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What I hate most is that I am rooting against my government.  How sad is that.  Though clumsy and not always right, through my life at least I always felt the US governenment had good intentions and the citizens best nterests first.  No more.  Who would of thought that we would be cheering a KGB agent and his actions.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:19 | Link to Comment Quentin Daniels
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Rooting against your government, but for your country.  A pity most of the people can't understand why that's possible.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 06:54 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Rooting against your government, but for your country.  A pity most of the people can't understand why that's possible.

Most of the people haven't seen the film Casablanca. If they had, they'd understand what is meant by the term Vichy DC.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in this establishment!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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