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Edward Snowden Leaves Hong Kong On Flight To Moscow
Edward Snowden is no longer in Hong Kong. About an hour ago, the Hong Kong Authority released a statement which says that the NSA whistleblower has left Hong Kong today "on his own accord through a lawful and normal channel" which was yet another slap in the face of the US, saying the US provisional arrest warrant "did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law."
In fact, not only did the HK authority defy the US arrest warrant, but it officially demands that the US clarify its own hacking of Hong Kong computer systems:
"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has normally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies. The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."
So having been given the blessing of HK (and thus China) to defy the US, Snowden is now en route to Moscow (see flight tracker below), from where he is said he may continue further to Iceland, although according to a conflicting report from Russia's Interfax his ultimate destination is Havana, Cuba, while some note that he may be headed to Caracas Venezuela instead. Of course, he may just remain in Moscow: it's not as if Putin will comply with any American extradition order.
Edward Snowden on the way to Iceland via Russia. Well done Julian & Team.
— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) June 23, 2013
Somewhat surprisingly, Wikileaks appears directly involved:
FLASH: Mr. Snowden is currently over Russian airspace accompanied by WikiLeaks legal advisors.
— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) June 23, 2013
The whistleblower Edward Snowden, who leaked details about US snooping, has left Hong Kong for Russia, according to reports.
His departure was revealed on the website of the Hong Kong newspaper the South China Morning Post, which said that Russia was not thought to be his intended final destination.
It is thought that the eventual destination could end up being Iceland or Ecuador.
He is understood to have left on the Russian airline Aeroflot flight SU213.
The paper said it left Hong Kong around 11am local time (4am UK time) and was due to arrive in Moscow around 5.15pm local time (1pm UK time). It is believed to be currently in the air.
The White House had asked Hong Kong to extradite him, after he was charged in the US with espionage.
An Icelandic newspaper reported four days ago that Snowden had asked Iceland for political asylum.
The website of the South China Morning Post said: "US whistleblower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on an Aeroflot flight to Moscow, credible sources have confirmed to the South China Morning Post.
"Moscow will not be his final destination."
The Hong Kong government later confirmed Snowden had left and said that he did so legally and voluntarily.
"Meanwhile, the HKSAR Government has formally written to the US Government requesting clarification on earlier reports about the hacking of computer systems in Hong Kong by US government agencies.
"The HKSAR Government will continue to follow up on the matter so as to protect the legal rights of the people of Hong Kong."
The Russian President's office said it has not been given any information about Mr Snowden's imminent arrival.
Track Snowden's flight in real time via Flightradar 24: flight AFL213.
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Good one fourth.
Fantastic point Quentin, and needs to be emphazised over and over until all get it.
Yep. Support the troops, but not their mission nor the people who sent them into harm's way.
Unfotunately people are brought up to belive that the government is the country. Drill that into peoples heads from a young enough age and the very idea that opposing government actions could be patriotic becomes totally nonsensical.
We need to find a way to communicate the idea that:
1. The PEOPLE are the country.
2. The government is created by the people for the people (now where have I heard that line before?)
3. As soon as point 2 no longer applies to a government, it ceases to be legitimate. Most western governments fall into this category.
Getting the message out isn't the hard part. Getting through the indoctrination is.
Jefferson certainly understood.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Why are you sad? Read through the debates in the Constitutional Convention. There were many opposed to this type of government, good upstanding, well respected, logical people, and many others who boycotted the Convention for what they knew it was. This nation was conceived in discord and you are simply continuing the thread of vigilance and skepticism that engenders it. Consider yourself a Free man. Godspeed.
Silence of the Foxes
The Framers went for Science and kicked Dogma out the door. Science acts with a skeptical scalpel without thinking of the consequences to the current narrative; that be the Dogma train. Same crew, different uniforms.
The Silence of the Foxes.
A simple reading of the Declaration of Independence tells us what we must do.
However, it must be up to them to make the fist Big Move, or I fear we lose the Moral Advantage.
Nor do I wish to break the "law" even if it is not Constitutional.
These people have a lot of guns and what not, but they are evil and weak in many ways.
We CAN win.
I still think we can win peacefully, but we must abrogate the power of the Monster.
"What I hate most is that I am rooting against my government"
I was sitting here thinking the exact same thing, in total disgust. How far we have fallen...
Thanks for the link to the plane's status. It added to the article.
RT reports that Snowden's final destination is Venezuela. I doubt he will be safe there for long.
No one is talking about the economic consequences of the vast spying by the US - 97 billion pieces of intelligence a month though 3 billion were from the US. How much economic advantage did that convey to the US? Will any country that was spied upon ever buy any US telecommunication equipment? Will the Chinese buy iPhones now that they know that the US was hacking billions of their SMS messages?
Every country will need to make their own ;)
They should outlaw iPhones there.
Or at least only allow iPhones that you can take the battery out of. Kinda hard to go dark when you're a walking billboard.
I find it marginally ironic that the charges against Snowden are sealed....
Best to avoid the issue, son.
This is FUBAR. Surely Senators Feinstein, Rubio and the rest must be feeling a draft knowing that the quantum computers of the alphabet soup agencies are sorting through their last decade of communications at the speed of light. Snowden exposed that.
It should make them feel slightly nervous to know that all the parties and counter parties to their shady political deals are known by omnipresent, omnipotent machines. It should make them even more nervous to know that men, maybe not of their persuasion or liking, are accessing that information. They have lost control. The blackmailer has the information. Simply because they have not received the call or been handed the extortion letter does not mean they are home free. They like the rest of us are subject to the knock on the door.
Had this been handled properly, hearings could have been held behind closed doors. The damage could have been contained.
The excesses could have been reeled in. Unfortunately this government has chosen to treat whistleblowers as criminals. By not affording Snowden the protection of a whistleblower, they have pushed him into the hands of the Russians. Fools, damn fools, all of them.
This has made me happy and will do so for a long time. He has given us hope.
Max
Benghazi. Let's wait and see.
Well done to the HK Gov. for not giving in to the US Gov. demands and threats.
A lot of other countries in the world should take note
Great irony that Hong Kong gave the request/demand for extradition the same old slow walk the Tea Party groups got from the IRS..(sorry, your papers are incomplete)
..can't make this stuff up..
By Kathrin Hille in Beijing
China has called the US a “villain” following the latest wave of accusations against Washington over cyber surveillance by former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden, in a sign that the case could add pressure to ties between the world’s two largest economies.
The South China Morning Post quoted Mr Snowden in its newest report as saying that the US National Security Agency “does all kinds of things like hack Chinese cell phone companies to steal all of your SMS data.”
This followed allegations by Mr Snowden a day earlier that Washington had hacked into Tsinghua University, home to one of China’s main telecoms network backbones, as recently as January.
“These, along with previous allegations, are clearly troubling signs. They demonstrate that the United States, which has long been trying to play innocent as a victim of cyber attacks, has turned out to be the biggest villain in our age,” Xinhua, China’s official news agency, said in an editorial published Sunday.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4f6e4c84-dbcf-11e2-8853-00144feab7de.html#axzz2X2APeVksYippee, the parasites have spoken. I despise the current condition of our government but the Chinese are not our friends.
....the enemy of my enemy is my friend...same reason zios backstop AQ in Syria baby...
You know things are fucked up when China takes the high ground
It's not so much the high ground but the knowledge that our middle class has been raped and there's little left to pillage.
SVO tower has SU213,
So first, Girard Depardieu, China/Russia drop dollar in direct currency swap, Russian bomber flights over Guam, Robert Kraft's superbowl ring and now Snowy. Seems like Putin has flipped off the West 5 times in a row. Could this all be the result of that Cyprus bail-in of all that Russian oligarch money? Karma's a bitch!
Not forgeting support for Syria.There's also the rejection of further missile cuts.
".. Seems like Putin has flipped off the West 5 times in a row."
make it 6 - climate talks in Bonn:
"In the final minutes of COP 18, the UN climate talks in Doha, Qatari vice prime minister Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah brought down the gavel – ending the COP and snubbing delegates of nations waiting to speak. Among them was the Russian delegation which was frantically waving papers in the air demanding to be recognized.
Russia has neither forgiven, nor forgotten.
When the UN climate talks opened in Bonn last week, Russia, joined by Ukraine and Belarus, blocked adoption of the agenda
(CFACT link):
http://tinyurl.com/lrdw5xu
should be interesting to see if china starts divesting some treasuries. With U.S yields rising uncomfortably already it would not take much to spark a full blown panic.
Or as ZH has said...maybe China just updates their official gold holdings.
US 30 year bonds have lost about 20% of their value since May 1 as yields have moved up from 2.81% to 3.57%. The Fed has trillions of them and has lost many hundreds of billions. The Chinese would only be prudent to diversify - as would the rest of the world.
The Fed hasn't "lost" a damn thing. All that is left when you strip away a magician's power of illusion is a naked man with a bag of tricks, and bunny hops and doves aflutter escaping from the stage under the Kleig lamp's glare. Money, the grandest illusion of all.
The Fed will hold its T bonds to maturity. They will not lose anything. And the Fed's profits go right back to the Treasury, so the Treasury pays its interest payments for free (Seigniorage).
They can do both. In the past China has functioned as our gov't private ATM card. China could simply just shut the ATM machine down. They have their own economy to look after, something our gov't has failed miserably to do here. The US's approach to the Hong Kong gov't was rude and threatening, who would do business with such bullies?
"Who would do business with such bullies?"
The 'City of London' and Wall Street? ;-)
This is another reason why I can't subscribe to the idea of treasuries continuing to be the world's safe haven forever and we need to resign our fate to the idea that we will forever be Japan.
Too much crazy shit going on and some of it even seems a bit unscripted.
If China is going to export trillions worth of manufactured goods to the US in exchange for USD, and buy a lesser value of US goods, those excess dollars MUST eventually end up in Treasuries - even if China trades those dollars for something else. Flows have to balance. That is why the notion of China dumping Treasuries is nonsense. Someone has to hold those Treasuries, and why would China take an unnecessary loss?
Now, China could adjust the maturity of the dollars it holds. They could substitute short maturity for long or vice versa, but that is a different issue. That is just money management 101.
It's possible you are not seeing the big picture.
no point in rehashing it. If you are still regurgitating that point of view, you are too invested in it to look in a different direction and see the train that is bearing down on you.
If I were the Celestials or Ivan, I would now relentlessly FUCK the NSDAPUSA in any way I could possibly imagine, to the point I could avoid damage to my own interests.
The USG is the ENEMY of the American People. They will steal you blind, they will destroy your economy, they will eventually kill as many of you as they have to after they have raped and stolen everything of any possible value in this country. They will kill your family, your pets, they will burn your homes and they will commit crimes too evil to describe here.
Long Live America!
Stand up for your country and the few men left who are fighting this babylonian demon spawn of Moloch called .guv.
Best bet is to stay in Mother Russia. Putin would never back down to the CIA and he has KGB apparatus efficient enough to counter any CIA cleaning operation.
RE
http://doomsteaddiner.com
Snowy simply must must must stay in Russia,
He can't go to Iceland, or Venezuela, or flippin Belarus,
Iceland is the worst possible destination. Iceland has a population of only 300K, no military power, is an island, and is geographically close to the US. A Marine Special Forces team could easily launch off a Navy ship and grab him in the middle of the night. His best bet is to stay in Russia, or to go somewhere else under a false identity.
given some time putin should be able to clarify the position of snow done.
hero for many
actor who distracts
cia or mossad or mi6 blackmail device
putin will figure it out based on intel debrief if any is given.
not safe easy building information but what he knows and what he says.
snow blow hero not yet
still looks like assange zion asset
Riiiiight. Code for CIA handlers. The plot thickens.
Back to the theory it was all a CIA game to discredit the NSA and take a bit of power [money] away from them.
My theory is that it is a limited hangout (controlled release) to further frighten the sheep and stifle public discussion of the criminal activities of government.
The government is being deliberately discredited (by many 'insiders', beginning with Jeffrey Sachs) in a move towards the 'end game', but 'they' don't want the public chattering about it or getting any bright ideas about taking any independent action that might derail the planned takedown.
The ZOG wants you to be afraid - very afraid! - so that their presented solution will be cheered by the sheep. Problem, reaction, solution ... checkmate!
So are you saying these agencies are starting to eat each other...this would be great.
...no...he's saying the zios are pulling the strings...be afraid...
DP
+1 for correctly identifying J. Sachs, who has much back-story people fail to remember.
I continue to marvel at how quickly people line up behind "heroes" - be it Snowden, Putin, whoever - flip-floppin' to the latest press release that fits their view of the world.
folks, stand back and watch, don't continue to identify with a "side" - particularly one created specially for you, by the me-duh. . .
knowing who controls the meme, why fall for the trap??
Club 911 Moscow, crazy menu....
It is a testement to just how fckd up the world is, that, this morning, in many countrues, freedom loving people are tipping their hats to Vlad and the KGB,
Isn't that just fckn mad?
ISN'T IT?
+1
Yes it is. I never thought I'd live the day when I would be supporting Russia/China et al against actions of the US Govt. As you say, it shows just how f***ed up and corrupt our political elites are in the West.
The façade has fallen, the veil has come off and we now see our governments for what they are: nothing more than a gang of criminal gangsters, obsessed with their own survival at any price.
Ditto, our govt. is so entrenched with nepotistic entitlement and elitism that its hardly a govt. "of, for and by the people" anymore. The people are servants of the govt. The great big cycle of kronies in and out of one administration into GS/The FED/Media/Ambassadorships/Internships/Corporate Lobbies, its just one big Clique. Is there really any difference between the two parties anymore? Not really. Jeb Bush/Hillary/Chelsea/Jeff Bush who will be next in line for the throne? Its almost assuredly Pre-ordained to Hillary, but what has she really done? Her claim to fame is Benghazi as it stands right now, but the Oprah-Cosmo crowd will forget all about that come time to elect our next ruler.
Whatever country Snowden lands up in, I don't think any country needs to declare he's there. They can all say, "He's not here as far as we know" or some variation thereof. It would be really comic and fitting if the US ends up not even knowing which country to make an extradition request to! Another shit on the face for the US Government and safety for Mr. Snowden.
______________________________________________
US Government is the biggest terrorist on Earth.
Lol this must be the NSA's worst nightmare come true. Snowdon to brief the Russians in exchange for safe haven. But I suspect the US government will use this to justify something really nasty.
Just as well he will be flying over Chinese and Russian air space. I wouldn't put it past the US gov to enable the plane to accidently develop a fault and crash if it were over US air space!
v.g. publicity for wikileaks...all the assange haters at the guardian will have to step back or guardian might lose the story.
russia/china all shrugging 'we know nothing'?
In Sweden, Venezuela is said to be the final destination. Personally, everything else being equal, I´d rather go to there than Iceland.
Venezuela, Murder, Inc. country.
"Imagine an attack on the scale of 9/11 every three months, for 13-and-a-half years. Or consider this: from the time of the 2003 Iraq invasion until this January, while 116,705 civilians were killed in Iraq, according to the Iraq Body Count project, 124,221 Venezuelans were murdered, says Mármol García. All that with no suicide attacks, no Apache helicopters, no I.E.D.s and none of the organized machinery of war: just an exceptionally violent gang subculture, the growing availability of cheap Colombian cocaine and a government asleep at the wheel."
http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/venezuelas-murder-rate-unma...
sounds like an oft-repeated recipe for resource grabs, hmm.
US whistle-blower Edward Snowden has left Hong Kong on a commercial flight to Russia but Moscow will not be his final destination. He left "on his own will" and did not have any help or protection from Hong Kong authorities, a government source told the South China Morning Post.
Russian media say he will fly from Moscow to Havana on Monday, then to Caracas.
http://www.scmp.com//
Bobby Fischer played chess on a board, and his life strayed into forbidden politics (lo and behold, the IRS was involved). The board in chess, even though it is real, is only ever a metaphor unfolding in the vast spaces of mind.
The real chessboard is now planet earth, the politics are still forbidden, but it looks like the opening gambit is unfolding well.
Not for .gov, but what can only be called the people's team ...
Let's watch the official hysteria mount now, with all of the usual suspects.
USSA losing its crediBULLYty...
As Charlie Sheen might say: JUst LOVING it! :))))))))))))))))))
Snowden already in Moscow per RT.
If he's on Flight SU213 (Call Sign AFL213) it's expected to land in Moscow at 1:00pm GMT Sunday. Other reports may be to confuse US spy agencies.
Being on that flght ties in with the HKSAR statement.
- Will he pop up on RT.com for a live interview later today? Perhaps. Stay tooned.
- Will he in fact stay in Moscow and be granted political asylum from Obama's "Land of The (Not-So) Free"? Perhaps. That would be a huge - and welcome - humiliation for Obama and his slimeball spies in Forte Meade.
- Will he appear on RT.com in a few weeks with his own show exposing Obama criminality? Perhaps.
Perhaps on Max Keiser's show?
Bwahahahahahahahahahah.
I'm sure Max would like to get him on his show, but recall that his show comes out of London.
If Snowden stays in Moscow, I'm sure RT would want to maximise their gain from giving him all the publicity. His own show series would be their aim methinks. And that show would come out of Moscow.
I wonder if Kim Dotcom was his benefactor?
Wow.
Talk about payback.
So whats wrong with this story? all media worldwide is reporting his itinerary. Seems fishy to me. And RT reports a different flightnumber:
It is just too public.
http://rt.com/news/snowden-fly-moscow-aeroflot-125/
EDIT: same flight actually...
//R
Yeah ... AFL213 is the Call Sign. SU213 is the Flight No. It's an Airbus A330.
My Spidey sense is also tingling,
Irish state media are leading with it, that is flippin weird,
They haven't even mentioned Snowy in a week,
and they never run any US story of a sensitive nature unless they get a greenlight from the Ballsbridge Fortress,
There is something fishy going on here, but I don't know what,
snow blow in moscow bring me everyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyfbRz4ObFY
US mass media propaganda going bunkers over this, shoot the messanger instead of the perpetraitors!
Uh, the US "mass media" is also a department of the nsa.
He is probably being debriefed by Russian agents in mid-air. I am sure they want to know exactly what the US has access to inside Russia. A small price to pay for facilitating his continued freedom.
if he stays in russia he may be real.
if he is real and goes to venez or cuba he will be cancer dosed just like hugo.
whats else is happening
what is this covering
travel lin wid team wiki leaks legal people are you kidding me.
smoke and cia mirrors.
he said it himself
i will never name names
greatest hero of the age giving up intel ion guilty bricks and mortar buildings.
he may be real let us wait and see what he says to putin.
has ass sange said anything or leaked anything of note in the last year.
...no...
Head for and disappear in Brazil instead, has no extradition treaty with the US.
Beautiful women as well, though his girlfriend may not approve of the move.
If you recall Ronnie Biggs, he was only allowed to stay in Brazil when he produced a child in Brazil. He did that and stayed there for years before returning home, wrongly believing that the UK Authorities would be lenient with him after so many years. They were not and went thru a very choreographed show of arresting him on the plane when it arrived in London.
Ronnie Biggs, didn't he play bass for the sEx pIstOls at one time????
Sorry, that was Martin Borman. I got confused.
As to Biggs and other exiles, weird how they always end up wanting to or going "home".. even if it means prision.
Indeed.
In Biggs's case, he was getting old and wanted to step foot on his motherland before he died. I strongly advised his son at the time that it was a serious mistake because the British Authorities are vindictive and would never show any compassion towards him. Ronnie thought they would or might. He was wrong.
He should have stayed in St Teresa (Rio) which is not a bad place to live.
Flight SU213 has now started its descent into Moscow. Landing in about 30 mins.
Altitude dropped to ~33,000 feet right now from 38,000..
...... and so begins the reality TV show and new favorite children's game,
"Where in the World is Edward Snowden?"
The Circus Show continues; the serfs and plebes are entertained and distracted.
They will drone you for typing the word....drone....
fuck.
too late.
The plane believed to be carrying Edward Snowden has landed in Moscow, says airport.
I would like to thank the government and people of Hong Kong, the Russian Federation and all who helped this American hero
Can of worms for Obama, Beluga caviar for the rest of us. This is major egg on the face of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate. Hong Kong, tiny little Hong Kong, stiffs him. The bloom is off the rose handed to him by Sweden and Norway. What's that old saying...the whole world is watching? Contrary to what some say, the alphabets are not independent. Rather, they're the guy with the hammer just waiting for whomever is in the Oval Office to let them go after some nails. The capability is always there; it just depends on the morality, or lack thereof, of the man who calls the shots...whether it pertains to torture or war or droning or eavesdropping. Whether or not Bush started this, Obama didn't stop it. No President ever gives up an ounce of power he finds after the swearing in, and he spends the next few years trying to add to what is already there. Anyone who has been close to that office knows POTUS is in a coccoon atop a pedestal, and that kind of power and blind admiration would corrupt the best of men...and the best of men never run for the office. There is an inherent character flaw in anyone so egotistical that he or she would seek the office.
Snowden's flight to freedom is going to bring out a lot more whistleblowers, because there are a lot of folks in the alphabets uncomfortable, angry and outraged over the direction things have taken. Real patriots, meaning people who take that oath seriously, are everywhere.
There are real risks out there. I don't doubt that for a second. The point is...well everybody knows the Franklin quote by now.
I am dumb found that people are making this such a big deal. Didn't people watch Enemy of the States movie back in the 90s? I thought this NSA listening to the people was already public domain knowledge! Maybe the US government should put Will Smith on esponiage trial instead. That was whistle blowing on a hollywood scale!
Yep, we saw the movie. Nope, we're not surprised. Rather, we're vindicated because until now we were dismissed as conspiracy theorists.
By the way, go fuck yourself. I'd wager you're one of the Obama fanboys who voted for him twice, because their M.O. is to act blase about this, perhaps to assuage their guilt for voting for B.O.
Safe flight to Snowden, FU to the US government trash that betrayed the trust of the American people. Obama, Holder, Clapper, King, Gram, McCain, Feinstein, Schumer, Cheney, and all those involved in spying on Americans must be tried for high crimes against this country.
Snowden is not a traitor, the American government officials behind this spying are the traitors. How can you call a person who alerted people to the fact that their rights were violated a traitor? And how can you charge him with Espionage when Nancy (no brain) Pelosi said he was lying?? Sorry Mr. Holder, Obama, Cheney, McCain, Gram and Ms. Feinstein, Pelosi and Mr. King, there is nothing in the law that allows you to violate the constitution as you so desire. This secret FISN court judge needs to be disbarred he does not believe in the constitution nor is he willing to uphold it and that is grounds for disbarment.
I do not even believe this is happening in my country but when a country elected a man like Obama whose father was a communist, who studied the Saul Alinsky rules for Radicals and has friends like Bill Ayers and who has shown disdain for everything American, this should have been expected. Stay in Africa, that is precisely the right distance from America.
Godspeed.
And Fox News Sunday is running a banner at the bottom saying that the NSA Leaker leaves Hong Kong "COMPLICATES THE EXTRADITION PROCESS". Fucking Idiots.
Good move.
Lets see if he gets to his intended destination without a freak accident occurring.
Tipping off the main stream media is a fairly good form of travel insurance, but I guess it all comes down to how far the US is willing to go to silence him.
It is my deep suspicion that the NSA is under the direction of an entity of sinister intent. Using NSA gathered info to manipulate events. This sinister entity is connected to certain Jewish occult organizations, Jesuit conspirators and Illuminati / Masonic orders. These occultists have almost completely usurped the will of the people. They are the puppet masters behind main stream media, the political parties, many judges, lawmakers and military organizations. They control them by manipulating their lusts and through blackmail. 666, NWO, call it what you will. It is what it is. These would-be masters of the world think they will win. They will be exposed as those who have produced so much pain and suffering to all people by their own supreme master manipulator for the purpose of bringing all glory and honor to his evil self. The bible sheds light on how this will all play out. Read it and believe it.
U mean the "Khazarian Red Shield" criminal Cartel?
Zionists invented nuclear weapons .... somewhat embarrassed by the obvious conflict of interests .... they have vowed to never use them .... not even to defend Zion ? Don't mess with my Joos ! "The best defense .... is a good offense !" .... Knuke Rockme Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad I Advise Israel To Develop Aggressive First Strike Strategies World Tour
It is too bad that the politicians are not afraid of the NSA. That much data would prove that they are all criminals beyond a doubt in any court of law....
But the first goal of the machine is to make sure the machine keeps going and that requires a criminal congress.
If he stays in Russia, some KGB Ukrainian gal will fuck his brains out until he spills everything he knows. If he continues to Venezuela the outcome is doubtful. I hear the homicide rate there is astronomical.
And I would not want to be a fellow passenger with him on any flight. It might tend to reduce your life expectancy.
The Hong Kong area was hit hard with all the MBS trash and Lehman cratering.No wonder they are not as cooperative with extradition of suspects.Kissinger wanders around freely even though he has an Interpol arrest warrant out for him from years ago ("all a big misunderstanding").No doubt the NSA was listening to HK diplomatic exchanges for years.It is amazing how much dirty laundry is getting aired these days.Perhaps this and the Bradley Manning case and all the other conscience driven whistleblower cases (Daniel Ellsberg?) point to the lack of a methodology for publicizing data in a process.If whistleblowers know they are screwed and expect to be hung out to dry,where is the incentive ? The carrot or the stick? Or just the stick? It is not like these people gained financially,aside from fleeting fame.Is everyone suggesting that there is a great novel to be written?Is that it? Or perhaps they truly believe in the Constitution as written? Over twelve years in Afghanistan and now we are negotiating with the bad guys? Sounds like the Paris peace talks with the North Vietnamese all over again.Haven't we heard this record before?
Can we get back to meaningful events?
As Putin says...
'Russian Hookers....the best in town'.
Islam & Russia Vs West & Al Qaida (World Organized Crime)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-jlGvWv-d8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LQM0FnXfQWg