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House Intelligence Committee's Mike Rogers: "Snowden's Actions Defy Logic"

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Just to confirm that in a world in which China and Russia (and Caracas... and Cuba) are increasingly seen as the paragons of liberty, virtue, and civil rights and the US is slowly but surely sinking into the role of the turnkey totalitarian tyranny antagonist, we just go this from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers: "Edward Snowden's reported choice to fly to Cuba and Venezuela undermines his whistleblower claims... Everyone of those nations is hostile to the United States, the Michigan Republican said on NBC's "Meet the Press" news talk show. "When you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic," said Rogers.

Actually, Mike, when "you think about what he says", his actions make all the sense in the world, and certainly validate his "whistleblower claims."

Rogers added that the U.S. government must exhaust all legal options to get Snowden back to the United States, Rogers said. Of course it must: like any totalitarian emperor state exposed before the entire world with no clothes on, it only makes sense to focus on the messenger, and not on the underlying message.

And now back to a panicking administration which is forced to come up with escalating PR responses to a global scandal that is changing by the minute, on a completely ad hoc basis.

Next up: how to punish Hong Kong for not only flagrantly ignoring US orders, but humiliating the US before the entire world with its insubordination.


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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:18 | 3683668 holdbuysell
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Indeed. The IRONY of it all is the other 800 pound gorilla in the room.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:23 | 3683682 TheFourthStooge-ing
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"US government's actions defy all that is moral and decent." -- Rest Of The World

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:37 | 3683716 DaddyO
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Insubordination, Indeed!!


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:49 | 3683750 SMG
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Every single one of these politicians calling Snowden a criminal and for his arrest have betrayed their oath to defend the constitution, the HIGHEST law in the US.   THEY are the criminals.  THEY are the ones who should be arrested.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:56 | 3683764 Atomizer
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Obama. Credo Mutwa. 2009  <<-- Fill in the gap about African trip that the MSM so cleverly disguises.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:21 | 3683825 SWRichmond
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Next up: how to punish Hong Kong for not only flagrantly ignoring US orders

I know!  Let's sell them all of our barbarous relic!  That'll show em!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:30 | 3683844 Temporalist
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It's good to see you commenting around here these past few months.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:43 | 3683875 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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These nations are flagrantly ignoring US law. Lets see who they come running to, once they're under threat from terrorists!

Today, friends, we're really finding out who our allies are. Just like me. I'm here, not to gather information to report to superiors - no! I'm here to open a dialogue.

Zero Hedge readers need to understand how government operates. We're not interested in what you do or what you say - ONLY WHAT THREAT YOU REPRESENT. Therefore I see no harm in surveillance and monitoring. I've been watching this site for several years, not exactly in an official capacity (but it could become that way). I have made mental note of certain posters - yet thats all. They have nothing to fear, so long as they stay within the law, as all I'm doing is monitoring.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:45 | 3683882 redpill
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If you weren't just a troll, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself.

Actually go fuck yourself anyway :)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:58 | 3683908 Oh regional Indian
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edWARd sNOWden

Enough said...


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:14 | 3683932 nope-1004
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Remember this gem?  House Intelligence Committee's Mike Rogers: "High School dropout Snowden is lying"


Mike Rogers hires flunkies, dropouts, and now....... those that can't use logic?  Of course, these are only positions inside the agencies of US National Intelligence.

Mike, you're a fucking idiot!!  Everytime you open your mouth, the hole you dig goes deeper.



Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:28 | 3683965 Bay of Pigs
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Who ever heard of this asshole before this story broke?

Michigan? Hey Mike, maybe focus on the plight of Detroit instead of Ed Snowden?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:44 | 3684170 bigkahuna
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Still no evidence he released anything that was already out there anyway. More BS from a gov/media/polical cluster.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:32 | 3683975 greyghost
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you know that mike rodgers gave all the american people an answer to all this. he said that snowden had stolen documents that belong to the "american people." so we should all throw his words back at him. go to and find the intelligence commitee and tell them to release all "our" documents. i have. have you? cram this clowns words back down his wind pipe.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:53 | 3684040 ACP
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Good point. Doesn't seem like "The People" have any access to anything that actually belongs to us, except maybe the prison system.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:57 | 3683905 LeisureSmith
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Trolling for down votes to sustain your sickness again? Fake bureaucrat legend and douche bag extraordinaire: theMAXILOPEZpsycho

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:05 | 3683921 xtop23
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I reject your rationalization of authoritarian rule and find you constitutionally abhorent.

I love the "flagrantly ignoring US law" comment. Who are we to dictate the laws of other countries? By that rationale, if a country where beheading for perceived social / religious deviance had the military might to enforce such an agenda, they'd be completely correct in pursuing said goal. They would also be totally justified in all possible actions necessary to enforce your compliance.

There are, I believe, appropriate actions to take with regard to true humanitarianism. The problem is, who decides such a thing? Who is to say that the guy holding the launch codes or the power to put Iowa farm boys in harm's way isn't out of his fucking mind? Who's to say he doesn't have an agenda of his own that, were it known, would be in direct contradiction to the stated reasoning behind such an action? 

The idea that we set the standard for freedom and act as a beacon of hope to the downtrodden masses of the world, flies in the face of the evidence to the contrary.

I love my country. I love the idea of America. It sickens me to see our government fucking it up. 

If we were acting by example, rather than coercion, we would live in a much safer world. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:33 | 3684524 tenpanhandle
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Hear, hear!!!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:24 | 3683956 Stockmonger
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You are no Million Dollar Bonus, yet, but keep trying.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:54 | 3684041 Richardk888
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You are a fool.

Zero Hedge readers like all Americans need to understand the Consititution and the Federalist Papers.  All that are in violation of the Constitution and their oath of office should be tried for treason and if found guilty should swing from gallows.

As far as your mental notes go, you may want to write things down seeing as you dont even posess the mental capacity to understand the very simple writings of the Constitution and Bill of Rights!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:11 | 3684091 SilverFish
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Sir, I believe you have taken retard to a whole nother level past full-on.



Basically what you're saying is, that when a govt spies on it's population, it's a good thing, because we might be doing something wrong that they need to know about, but when the people spy on the govt, ya know, to see if they might be doing something wrong, that's a bad thing. You believe that a government caught up in scandal after scandal throughout history is more trustworthy and deserving of secrecy than the innocent people they claim to represent. Talk about hiring the fox to guard the hen house.........


After typing that paragraph and havig a few seconds to think about it, I would like to retract that first sentence. You're not retarded. You're just a cunt.



Sun, 06/23/2013 - 15:48 | 3684419 caconhma
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<These nations are flagrantly ignoring US law.> It is indeed a very bad news for the US Empire. More and more countries do not give a shit about America Empirical rulers. It means that the US Empire will have to go to an open military conflict with more and more formidable countries.

Taking into account that the US Empire has lost recently in Afghanistan, Iraq, and now is losing in Syria, things are not looking too good. No doubts the Nobel Prize winner Obama does not mind starting a new war but it will even further exhaust whatever military capabilities are still left in the dying Empire.


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 18:59 | 3684920 BeanusCountus
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I feel sick to my stomach when I read your post, the mirror image of the unified US media campaign to crucify this guy. What ever happened to people being encouraged to do what they thought was right? You want proof you are on the wrong side? Dick (head) Cheney is literally calling for his execution. A fucking nerd that was WRONG on perhaps the defining action of our government in the last 100 years is front and center giving his opinion calling this guy a threat to our security. Waiting for George Bush to come out next that he knows the location of the Weapons of Mass Destruction that have proved so elusive. There's a reason our constitution says we have to have arms. It's because people like you are running around.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:50 | 3683876 redpill
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Helllloooo Mike Rogers, you fucking files charges against him. Who's being hostile again? What the fuck do you expect him to do, go somewhere you can get your filthy fucking hands on him you authoritarian prick?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:17 | 3684492 TheElder
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Don't hold back here. Say what you mean...  :-P

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:12 | 3683806 Ignatius
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Yes, then they show themselves.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:28 | 3683842 Chupacabra-322
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When a so-called "major power" nation's "laws" are ignored by other nations, it should tell the world that the "major power" has become a pariah on the world stage. Similar to the Soviet Union during the Cold War or Nazi Germany. Perhaps this can be an indication to the US citizens still under the impression that they live in a legitimate nation. The people of this country are being entertained to death and need to awaken. Once they do, the heads will begin to roll. This is an issue that transcends the left-right paradigm. People are beginning to awaken! Snowden is a hero!

The mainstream media keeps pushing this lie that Snowden is some sort of spy who is on the government's hit list because he stole sensitive documents or something. All Snowden did was expose the fact that the NSA is spying on every single American citizen, without warrant and without probable cause.

Edward Snowden should not be the story here - it should be the NSA and other government agencies who use their technology to violate the rights of American citizens. You cannot violate the fourth amendment every day and blame it on "keeping us safe." This scam doesn't work anymore now that everyone in America knows that there is no real threat from "terrorism" except the terroristic acts of our own agencies against us.

All Snowden did was expose the truth and I think he should be commended for it instead of being black-bagged and kidnapped. The lid is finally blowing off of the government corruption now and there's no holding it back. They can assasinate the whistle blowers one by one, but it's like a boiling kettle now. The steam is escaping, there's nothing they can do about it, and they're in a blind panic trying to control the narrative of information.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3683859 Rusty Shorts
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His name is Jason Bourne

His name is Jason Bourne

His name is Jason Bourne


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:56 | 3684317 beaker
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He shined a light on both the Democrat and Republican roaches.  Look at them scatter!  

1) like the terrorists we need to worry about don't know this stuff already?!?!

2) Technology has advanced the data mining technology far beyond what can be trusted to mere mortals. I've lost count of how many of these bastards have lied in front of Congress already!  Fuck these guys with their self-righteous ignorant claims that we need this shit to stop terrorists.  

Where do you draw the line on this shit?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 23:05 | 3685502 Buck Johnson
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I know, they should be arrested and doing a long time in prison.  The rest of the world is becoming free and the US is becoming a police state.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:37 | 3683718 Motorhead
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Executive Order 13526:

Sec. 1.7.  Classification Prohibitions and Limitations.  
(a)  In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:
(1)  conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:52 | 3683749 XitSam
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It isn't a crime if the government does it.

tyr·an·ny cruel use of power: cruelty and injustice in the exercise of power or authority over others


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:53 | 3683757 Motorhead
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I'm sure glad we have that Constitution.  It sure keeps government in check.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:03 | 3683776 Fukushima Sam
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The Constitution is just a social contract. It still requires enforcement by the two parties.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:16 | 3683817 cossack55
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Ya mean kinda like your Facebook contract?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:11 | 3684095 screw face
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+1 Sam


ZeroHedge for Fukushima, no fix only mitigation....Black Swans abound.


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:35 | 3683858 Ban KKiller
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Too bad the average American hasn't read it...or the first ten amendments. Most people would not understand it! Or the declaration of liberty. 

Have you seen the new x box?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:07 | 3684216 Fake Jim Quinn
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Most Americans think the Bill Of Rights means free rent, free food, and other entitlements. They completely misinterpret what "Land of the Free" means. You mean "free will"? Errr, I thought "Free Sh*t"!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:04 | 3683779 toady
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Is that you Nixon? Someone get out to San Clemente and check that grave!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:23 | 3683833's picture

San Clemente was Mark Twain, not Richard Nixon. Geez!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3683855 I Am Not a Copp...
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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:10 | 3683928's picture

Yep. Mark Twain was what they call his pen name.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:20 | 3683948 Midas
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You are digging the hole deeper.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:43 | 3684007's picture

How else you gonna find out who's in San Clemente's grave? Probably just come up with George Sand.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 15:19 | 3684358 SilverIsKing
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Sam Clemente? Really?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:06 | 3684466's picture

Just havin' a little Huckleberry Funn.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:07 | 3684467 DaddyO
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The funny part is the up arrows...


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:05 | 3683781 Clark Bent
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That was Goering's winning argument in Nuremberg circa 1946. The US couldn't answer it having rejected natural law itself during the New Deal. So they were going to hang him for pointing that out. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:28 | 3684514 Things that go bump
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They were going to hang him anyway, but he cheated them.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:56 | 3683765 OutLookingIn
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The new and improved "United States of Secret Repression" better hope and pray that Edward Snowden does not suffer ANY type of mishap, no matter how innocent it may very well be! ANY occurence that harms him in ANY way, will be seen by the rest of world as being instigated by the new and improved USSR.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:31 | 3683700 Top_Kill
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"Winston, 2+2 is 5 if we say so"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:34 | 3683711 Top_Kill
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"Do you realize that the past, starting from yesterday, has been actually abolished? If it survives anywhere, it's in a few solid objects with no words attached to them, like that lump of glass there. Already we know almost literally nothing about the Revolution and the years before the Revolution. Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, and every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day-by-day and minute-by-minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. I know, of course, that the past is falsified, but it would never be possible for me to prove it, even when I did the falsification myself. After the thing is done, no evidence ever remains. The only evidence is inside my own mind, and I don't know with any certainty that any other human being shares my memories. Just in that one instance, in my whole life, I did possess actual concrete evidence after the event – years after it."- 1984

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:42 | 3683729 NidStyles
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That was actually based on Marx's solutions to ending individuality.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:40 | 3684550 tenpanhandle
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My barberous relic predates and post-dates all that at the same time.  Remarkable stuff that.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:35 | 3683712's picture

Snowden should definitely not travel to the United States. Their government gives arms and money to Al Qaeda.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:21 | 3683783 Ignatius
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...and created Al Qaeda.

They want blowback.  These policies are not stupid, because blowback was the goal/justification for further action.

Ever notice how drug running increases everytime the US/CIA goes in to 'eradicate' it?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:07 | 3683788 Clark Bent
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And Mexican drug cartels, and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Libya, and Syria. Soon the Taliban, as part of our deal to get out of Afghanistan without too much disgrace. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:37 | 3683717 Top_Kill
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"It was as though some huge force were pressing down upon you – something that penetrated inside your skull, battering against your brain, frightening you out of your beliefs, persuading you, almost, to deny the evidence of your senses. In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable…what then?" - 1984

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 22:29 | 3685443 Cathartes Aura
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fact:  the past is always re-membered, it's a memory.  the future is imagined, and subject to change, always.

If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable…what then?"

all power. all action, all thoughts exist only in the eternal present moment.

don't waste the opportunity, don't let your mind be used. . .

Mon, 06/24/2013 - 12:26 | 3687394 tip e. canoe
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But creative energy appears in unlikely places and with unexpected force...Build a perfect labyrinth with hundreds of interlocking paths, and someone is going to come along with a lawnmower and cut a new path right out of the prison. - Jon Rappoport

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:39 | 3683724 insanelysane
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1984 can be downloaded for free.  Just reading this now.

No idea how this book was left off of the reading lists of my well rounded public education and I was in AP English. </sarc>

Unfortunately for my two high schoolers, they just got an extra summer reading assignment in addition to the crap they are forced to read.


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:54 | 3683758 XitSam
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I read it in high school (not assigned) and after finishing lay awake in bed half the night.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:34 | 3683854 Temporalist
Sun, 06/23/2013 - 21:26 | 3685309 IrritableBowels
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I dare you to make it through the video without feeling chills run up and down your spine (doesn't count for that fuck maxipsycho due to not possessing one).

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:24 | 3684700 Umh
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Confirmation classes did that to me for more than one night.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:10 | 3683794 Clark Bent
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Let me guess, Looking Backward by Bellamy, or maybe Salinger's Catcher in the Rye? I'm sure there are all sorts of new victimology works by scores of the oppressed. Bleeeachs! Took me yeras to realize that the list of books I was told were "classics" were all socialist trash. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:46 | 3684022 TheGardener
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"Took me yeras to realize that the list of books I was told were "classics" were all socialist trash. "

Took me all my childhood to read the lot and still came to the same conclusion.

I still collect rare books and have to process a great
many books from our family estates and otherwise.

Of course civilized leftist robbers rather burn down
everything worth having than those books that would
try to justify the present by bedeviling the past.

Burning books, even the worthless ones, is frowned upon.

Try soaking them in oil overnight, and you will lose your prejudices...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:54 | 3683872 tvdog
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If you want a scary book, check out Walden Two by B.F. Skinner. All about ignoring people's intellect and manipulating them like lab animals. It's even more horrifying in that Skinner thinks that would be Utopia.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:29 | 3684713 Umh
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Skinner was a very scary creep. I love playing around with my children, but I didn't try to fuck with their minds. They arrested some folks recently for letting their children have some beer at a baseball game and Skinner was allowed to live; go figure because I can't.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:09 | 3684085 11b40
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Make sure they take the plunge and dive into Huxley's 'Brave New World'.

Then if they move on to Animal Farm, you may have a couple of future whistleblowers in the family.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:25 | 3684255 ebear
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Ignorance is popular because it's easy to learn.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 20:36 | 3685168 IndyPat
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1984, Animal Farm, Brave New Word, The Prince, Lord of the Flies and Heart of Darkness were all required reading in my High School. I did my senior term paper on Heart of Darkness.

I wasn't even AP.

..and they say West Virginia isn't cultured.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 22:32 | 3685449 Cathartes Aura
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add another two important reads, taken together, quite the hat trick:

Brave New World

Fahrenheit 451

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:33 | 3683708 smlbizman
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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:19 | 3683672 Spastica Rex
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Trust is truly slipping away. It's really all they had, isn't it? I expect them to go down fighting.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:13 | 3683809 Clark Bent
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I like the integrity displatyed by the murderous jihadis, its is more appealing than the "least untruthful" statements of our own losers. Whoops, it just dawned on me that Oboy, Hillary, Donilon, Brennan, Rice, are all working for the Saudis maybe. They sure as hell aren't working for the US, or civilization for that matter. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:45 | 3683881 tvdog
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Not Saudi Arabia, but another, smaller country located somewhat to the northwest.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:02 | 3683912 i-dog
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They're actually a tag team. Don't be fooled by their choices of headwear.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:26 | 3683961 WTFx10
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Agree, the power of fiat is strong,. Why live like the rest when you can live like the best?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:19 | 3683674 Five8Charlie
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Mike Roger = clueless


Tell me again who it is that's hostile to the U.S....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:24 | 3683685 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Tell me again who it is that's hostile to the U.S....

Vichy DC.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:28 | 3683693 Winston Churchill
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Mike Rogers defies all logic.

Either he cannot read ,or hasn't read the constitution he has sworn to uphold.

Ignorance is no defense under the law.RINO traitor.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:38 | 3683721 bank guy in Brussels
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Congressman Mike Rogers has the 'logic' of not wanting to end up dead like five other US Congressmen who rocked the boat ...

Or be threatened with death like his fellow Congressman, John Conyers, head of the Judiciary Committee, who had his wife arrested and jailed as Obama took office, to back up the death threats that Conyers needed to keep quiet about corrupt and bribed US judges, keep quiet under Obama like he kept quiet under Bush ...

Conyers being directly reminded about how another Judiciary Committee Congressman, Sonny Bono, died violently a decade earlier


Ten Assassinated US leaders since JFK

Ten notable US national political figures, all found murdered or suspiciously dead - Senators, Congressmen, Federal Judge, Governor, CIA Director - after questioning corruption or disturbing US oligarch leadership ... since the 1963 JFK assassination

Two Congressmen, Thomas Hale Boggs, Sr, House Majority Leader, along with Alaska Congressman Nick Begich, killed in the same plane crash, 16 October 1972; Boggs was involved in JFK assassination investigation

Congressman Larry McDonald of Georgia was killed on 1 September 1983, booked onto the Korean airliner that was shot down over the ocean; McDonald had filed bills asking the US Congress to investigate the globalist bodies, the Trilateral Commission and the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)

Former US Senator from Texas John Tower, killed in plane crash 5 April 1991, after criticising Reagan-Bush scandals

William Colby, former director of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, found dead 27 April 1996, laughable story he drowned after paddling his canoe by his Maryland weekend house; Colby had made revelations critical of US policies

Sonny Bono, singer from Sonny & Cher, Congressman on the key House Judiciary Committee, killed 6 January 1998, after gaining position to investigate corruption at America's highest levels, Bono handled files on judicial corruption and the CIA drug trade ... story that excellent skier Sonny went head-on into a tree ... even ex-FBI people say it was murder

US Missouri Governor Melvin Eugene 'Mel' Carnahan, killed in plane crash 16 October 2000, opponent of vicious US Attorney General John Ashcroft, Carnahan won an election even after being dead

US Senator Paul Wellstone from Minnesota, killed in plane crash 25 October 2002, after leading opposition to the US Iraq War

Former US Congressman Wayne Owens from Utah, found dead in Tel Aviv, Israel, 18 December 2002, while investigating the triangle of US-Israeli-Palestinian Authority corruption

US Federal Judge John Roll shot dead in Tucson, Arizona, 8 January 2011, shortly after ruling against Obama and the US gov't ... drugged up 'lone gunman' promptly supplied, 'confessing' and otherwise barely seen

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:06 | 3683784 XitSam
Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:19 | 3683821 Spastica Rex
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Bono was married to Cher?

I think he's well and living in Dublin.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:29 | 3683843 XitSam
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Bono? The guy who thinks he does a better job of giving his money away (or not giving, I don't know) than the government?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:33 | 3683982 WillyGroper
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SR u crack me up!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:40 | 3683725 disabledvet
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I am curious what King Edward Snowden's demands are Congressman. just how much info did this intern walk away with?! "nothing that the media doesn't already know and share with your staff.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:43 | 3684754 Umh
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Suck ups and kiss asses. The same kind of person that expects you to take him/she/it at their word will take their supposed superior at their word because they actually do not have a spine. BTW psychopaths take advantage of this.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:21 | 3684246 lakecity55
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I'd say Rogers is a clear and present danger to the United States.

A robot, a blowup doll trotted out to parrot what his Masters tell him to say.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:21 | 3683680 Temporalist
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I am waiting for all of the children's shows and cartoons in the USofBS to start explaining how whistleblowers are traitors but "If You See Something Say Something" still applies unless it's against your benevolent overlords.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:36 | 3683715's picture

It takes a village to turn a child against its parents.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:37 | 3683719 css1971
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+ TV shows, movies.

World War Z for example.

Habituating viewers to the idea of shooting large numbers of people because they're not really people any more, they're "infected". Infected with what? How about an idea. Make sure you get them with a head shot because they may infect you otherwise.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:16 | 3683813 toady
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I've long held that this whole zombie meme is a attempt to desensitize people to killing other people. The DHS & TSA guys will be told to shoot at the farthest distance possible to avoid infection when those billions of rounds are dispersed.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3683851 XitSam
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You could view the zombie thing as a fight between people that want to be free to live as they choose wihtout being forced to behave a certain way. With this view, the statists are the zombies. Good fit, I think.


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:18 | 3684242 TheGardener
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Dehumanization as in UNworthy , UNborn or next to come
UNdead. Licensed to kill, no 00 needed, any .gov number
will do.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:19 | 3684244 lakecity55
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100% correct.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:23 | 3684989 Poor Grogman
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Couldn't help but think the same thing, there seems to be no other reason for making a comedy movie like that.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:19 | 3683820 Clark Bent
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They certainly are committed to teaching every child Spanish. They omit any unsanitary references to Spanish oppression, after all anyone who speaks Spanish is oppressed, as is well known. They all be "hispanic" and you can tell cuz they look kinda brown skinned. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:24 | 3683683 Catullus
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Here's the logic: "go some place where the US government can't get you."

The only way that defies logic is if Washington believes they have rule over the universe.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:24 | 3683684 fonzannoon
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Yes Mike he should be in a massive hurry to get back to the only place that decided he is a traitor.

Six minutes abs mike. Step into my office cause your fuckin fired.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:05 | 3683780 xtop23
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So the idea is basically that because he fled the country, and didn't face the combined might of an entire legal and governing system geared toward the prevention of doing the exact thing he did, which is to expose the nauseatingly unconstitutional practices our government is perpetrating on an hourly basis, he's a criminal.

Well fuck that.

Just because a guy does a patriotic thing, doesn't mean he should then offer his testicles up for hammering as a testament to his virtue. That's ludicrous. I don't blame the guy one freaking bit. I'd have done the same gd thing.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:22 | 3683830 Clark Bent
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Look at what happened to the poor schmuck who made the anti-Mohammed YouTube video. Unlike the Tsarnaevs, no trouble gettign this guy surrounded by a phalanx of cops in his elephant-man costume.

No problem getting the submachine gun trained on Elian Gonzales with finger on the trigger.

Yeah sure he should turn himself in.  

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:54 | 3683900 toady
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The Bible is full of martyrs.

Your cause is unjust if you're not willing to give your life.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:36 | 3683963 xtop23
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So by that rationale, a terrorist blowing up a movie theater with a bomb strapped to his chest, is "just" because he offed himself in the process?

Snowden wanted to live. We all do. You and I both know he'd have gotten a Breitbart cocktail if he'd simply turned himself in. 

His refusal to allow himself to be subjected to a farcical portrayal of jurisprudence or outright murder doesn't reduce his act one iota.

The idea that he didn't face the music and is therefore a criminal or his actions less than heroic is stupid in the extreme.



Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:19 | 3684108 11b40
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He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:53 | 3684311 ebear
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Better to live on your feet than to die on your knees.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 15:04 | 3684327 xtop23
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I actually agree with that statement. I just don't think it applies to Mr.Snowden as of yet. He put the info out there in accordance with his conscience dictates and got the fuck outta Dodge. Why martyr yourself when it isn't necessary?

He had the balls to take the risk and blow the whistle. I refuse to call him a coward because he didn't stay and face Big Brother's justice when he had other options.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 20:48 | 3685204 tarsubil
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Snowden hasn't made it out unscathed just yet and he hasn't stopped fighting the Vichy DC tyrants.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:26 | 3683688 Wile-E-Coyote
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Just watch the US government it will now say Snowdon was secretly working with Russia & China. I'm waiting for the overflow spin to draw Syria into this. The propaganda permutations in this story are endless; never let a good crisis go to waste.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:44 | 3683736 disabledvet
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or worse "the Nalbandians." we have made the world safe for your paranoia. good luck even getting out of bed in the morning. Victory is ours!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:47 | 3683743 RSloane
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Some members of gov't have already said so in our USSA approved MSM.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:26 | 3683689 BurningFuld
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Hong Kong is clearly "The Axis of Evil"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:12 | 3683935 Yes We Can. But...
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Is Fort Meade, Maryland the Nexus of Evil?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:50 | 3684779 Umh
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It is just a reflection.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:26 | 3683690 johngaltfla
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Defy logic? Perhaps Mr. Rogers should ask Michael Hastings how reporters and whistleblowers are treated by the Obama SS.


Oops, he can't becaues Mr. Hastings was "blowdup"....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:43 | 3683730 bank guy in Brussels
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Hastings killed by the technique that is known as the 'Boston Brakes' method because the CIA types first used it to kill in Boston ... same technique with Princess Diana and many others

People in quite superb safe automobiles yet wind up spectacularly dead, as their car's mechanics and function get hijacked

Article about Hastings and 'Boston Brakes'

« If you wondered what intelligence services do, the answer is simple, they murder people. If you wonder who they work for, the answer is simple also, crooked arms dealers, drug cartels and power mad politicians. »

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:44 | 3684286 noless
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Cutting brake lines leaves evidence, remote hacking a GPS enabled computer that runs your car on the other hand...

Even if your car has a literal throttle cable to the pedal, it is still most likely attached to an electronic switch that alerts the computer as to the intended fuel ratio/input, meaning that the computer itself ultimately sends the signal, not your foot.

You can command the idle of a car electronically with simple diagnostic tools, there is no doubt in my mind someone could hack modern cars to accelerate when the break pedal is depressed. Even disable the signal to shut off the engine when the key is removed from the ignition, all completely plausible.

Score another point for a rusted out, manual transmission, carbureted beater..

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:55 | 3684796 Umh
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Or a great deal of copper foil.


I cannot think of any other good reason to replace a few inches of braided steel wire with a computer unless economic reason has been suspended.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:34 | 3685015 Poor Grogman
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Only an ABS car has substantial electronics in the brake control loop.
Pre ABS cars use a simple hydraulic circuit that would not enable this type of modification.

It is an interesting concept but still seems a bit far fetched.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:26 | 3683691 cherry picker
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I will be more than happy to hide Snowden in my home and I don't live in the USA.  He would be safe here, there are many ex USA vets willing to provide protection for him.

Let us see .gove get honest for once as there is no way out of this for them.  They are finally getting transparent and what I am seeing is very ugly.

Talk yourself out of this one Obummer.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:49 | 3683746 Whoa Dammit
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+1000 for:

"They are finally getting transparent and what I am seeing is very ugly."

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:28 | 3683692 whopper
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fuck you obama .....and bernanke

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:33 | 3683704 pipes
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...and Rogers.



Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:30 | 3683696 Xibalba
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Or...he could've turned himself in only to be kept in solitary confinement, naked, for years....and never even see a judge

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:44 | 3683735 insanelysane
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I hear Gitmo's nice this time of year.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:50 | 3683751 Xibalba
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Even the US guards feel like they are in prison there.  At least they tell me that. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:33 | 3683703 Everybodys All ...
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It's embarrassing how stupid these comments from law makers have become regarding our Constitution. What is the point of all this security if we have no liberty and no regard for the individual rights given by the US Constitution. I like most Americans are now more afraid of our own government than I am of the terrorist we are supposed to be fighting. Constantly monitoring every activity is a police state of which is totally unlawful and must be rolled back. Anyone who speaks differently is to be considered part of the problem.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:49 | 3683748 disabledvet
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who are these terrorists? in fact...WHERE are these terrorists? hello! Paging Judge Judy! have we dispensed with even the arrest now too! amazingly "the Supreme Court has nothing to say"!!!!!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:55 | 3683763 Everybodys All ...
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The terrorists always seem to emanate from Pakistan or some other Middle Eastern land. Then the connections are apparently made here though through a phone call or an email to a foreign national. But yeah the question is where are the arrests of these people in our country? Where are the court cases? Where are the deportations? Where is the outrage that let these foreign agents into the US in the first place?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:17 | 3683941 WTFx10
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"Where is the outrage that let these foreign agents into the US in the first place?"

Like the dual citizenship governmental employees and politicians? Where do their alliances lie? Which country do they pledge their life too? Or what Bankster?











Sun, 06/23/2013 - 18:07 | 3684822 Umh
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The people were herded past that question by zealous news people.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:24 | 3684121 screw face
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+1 E.A....'It's embarrassing how stupid these comments from law makers'


Dick Wads.......did i say that


......only the good die young.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:33 | 3683707 notadouche
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It defies logic?  Only defies logic in the eyes of the US government's way of thinking.  Why would he go somewhere that is friendly with the US which would make it easy for the US to "render" him?  It is supposed to make him look bad because he chooses to go to countries that won't just do what the US tells them to do?  Those friendlies of the US, make no mistake, are friendly for the US government, not the US citizen seeking the refuge from the long and unyielding arm of a very pissed off US Government.  

The goverment maybe using technology that is decades ahead of what the people could imagine but they clearly underestimate the intelligence of it's citizens and they are using PR that is right out of the 1950's and have egg on their face because of that.  We the People are much more savvy , cynicle and not nearly as naive as you apparently believe us to be.  It's a sign Obama is surrounded by yes men in his administration and in the media and assumed he had the people's trust and it would never waiver.  

Those days are long gone and he fooled a lot folks for too long but as it was once stated "you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

He's well past the tipping point of having blind, full faith and trust of the american people and he realizes it and now watch how he handles it.  He hasn't handled disagreement very well and seemingly quick to throw a temper tantrum.  What next, a little mustache patch right under his nose?  Perhaps for the first time we will get introduced the real Barack Obama and not just the carefully crafted image that his machine and his media minions put forth.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:34 | 3683710 Blame Crash
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The United States of America is finished.

It's now the Heinous State of DC.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:37 | 3683713 francis_sawyer
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The farther down the road this story travels, the more it's looking like everybody's dicks are getting yanked...


I said this WEEKS ago... I said [watch for the moment that Snowden ends up in the hands of the Chinese, Russians, Norks, or any of the other 'AofE's'... Then ~ it can be packaged & 'spun' as a traitor, spy... however you want to brand it]...

Sure ~ it won't work on the RED PILL crowd... But it'll easily play with the BLUE PILLers... Just another nail in the coffin... & if that, indeed, turns out to be the case, then all the RED PILLers dicks are getting yanked here as well...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:43 | 3683732 fonzannoon
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I'm willing to put some faith in this theatre today Franic, if only because it makes the U.S look dumber by the minute. I can't imagine this is script benefits them.

However if they don't show any video of this kid over there then I don't know what to think. I must have taken mushrooms instead of either pill.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:48 | 3683744 francis_sawyer
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I'm not... I commented on this 'weeks' ago [here]... I said my BS meter would start redlining the minute he started doing the country to country 'hoppity~hop' [with stops at all the 'AofE' countries]... This gives the 'cover' of branding him a 'traitor', 'spy'... whatever & packaging it up & selling it to BLUE PILL NATION...


Next up to the plate?

He'll have passed 'secret' GRID data to the Iranians &, quite coincidentally, somewhere in the US, a pack of eager 'beavers' will have a new construction job on their summer agenda...

Hell ~ I'm no good at any of this 'spy shit'... But if the dumbasses need "B Grade" Hollywood scripts to cover up their nonsense, I can be a fucking 'automatic writer'...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:16 | 3683767 fonzannoon
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I have to go outside and do some shit so I will leave u with this and the down arrows that I get blasted with.

You and I are in agreement, I believe from our past conversations one two things. Whatever is going on with this dude Snowden, I am sure one person who cannot help him right now is god. However at some point, I have to have faith in something. So until proven otherwise, I choose to have faith in this man and his intentions and i hope for the best for him, and by extension, us.

Have some faith man. If we end up disappointed we are no worse off than where we already were.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:39 | 3683866 john39
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since the man revealed nothing new, nothing that the alternative media hasn't been ranting about for years... yet suddenly the MSM goes batshit for his story...  rest assured that this entired episode is contrived.   but that leaves the question, by whom and why...   that remains to be seen.  a few things to consider.   the criminal psychopaths in control certainly plan on collapsing the United States at some point... snowden could be one step in stoking up public anger by at least a portion of American society...  in other words, further fragment American society, thoroughly discredit the U.S. government and isolate it on the world stage.

in any event, too early to tell.  but it seems obvious.  this snowden episode is meant to certain portions of the masses to identify together in anger and disgust...  stay tuned.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:03 | 3683898 francis_sawyer
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That's kind of what I'm hinting at [but everyone keeps junking me because they have their broswer set to "I'm a cheesepope & automatically junk francis_sawyer comments even if he types 'Ben Gurion is my hero"]...


IOW ~ Prolly 'Snowden' is legit... But the 'spin move' [concocted in real time], is this 'Indiana Jones' bullshit where he hops from China, to Russia, to Cuba, to Venezuela, [all in the same day ~ just in time for 'Meet the Press', 'Face the Nation', to air]... Thanks Reuters!

If we're really lucky... Byt the time '60 Minutes' airs, he'll be having cocktails in a resort village in the Caspian Sea while the Hoover Dam springs a leak...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:59 | 3683768 fonzannoon
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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:56 | 3683761 RSloane
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He may very well not be in Moscow. Meanwhile, the pressure is off Hong Kong, who are pursuing the freedom abridgement of its citizens by the US.

The USSA wants Snowden to 'get disappeared'. Seems to me that he might be doing exactly that...if so, why are they bitching so much?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:01 | 3683773 francis_sawyer
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That's what I'm saying... IT'S ALL TOO FUCKING CONVOLUTED... Things only become convoluted when they are orchestrated [& fed to the press]...


Assuming the 'Snowden' dude was in HK in the first place, why not sit tight?... But no... He has to be fucking Indiana Jones & get on board LAO CHE's live chicken cargo...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:21 | 3683823 RSloane
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I think he moved to give room for Hong Kong to pursue its investigations into the US spying on Hong Kong citizens. The US looks a lot less like an innocent victim of China's spying and more like the  angry bully in the schoolroom. 

This is what I think is happening: Assume you are the average American watching the Sunday morning shows while eating a bag of pork rinds as appetizers for your Sunday dinner. Here is Snowden supposedly going from Hong Kong [most Americans don't know where that is nor its history] to where - Our arch enemy Russia!! Oh no! From there he is going to Cuba - wait a minute, we hate the Cubans he is a traitor!! - to Venezuela - another enemy of our glorious USA USA!! If there was any doubt before, its now 'proven' that he is a vicious traitor and should 'get disappeared'.

Why, you just have to look at his travel plans to know he's a traitor. At the same time, trot out every R and D you can think of to say in our MSM that Snowden is a traitor and should be extradited from any point in the universe. That is what is happening as we speak.

I don't know where Snowden is. Hell, he may be having a nice dinner and drinks in Hong Kong for all I know. He may be in Moscow. At this point, its more important to me know that Snowden "is" rather than "where he is".


Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:44 | 3683857 francis_sawyer
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Well ~ It was awfully nice of him to delay his travel plans until Sunday Morning so that 'Mike Rogers' of the House Intelligence Committee could have time to have a hot cup of Java, Eggs Florentine, & a glass of fresh orange jucie before sauntering into the 'Meet the Press' & 'Face the Nation' sound studios to do interviews...


MR might even have time to get in 18 holes & some fishing in the afternoon [before another hard weeks work surfing at on Capitol Hill]...

Pretty handy, also, to have REUTERS 'on the ball' with the hop by hop 'rumored' itenerary they got from "BOOKING DOT 'YEAH'" while Putin is conveniently out of the loop because he's off wrestling bears or something...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:54 | 3683896 RSloane
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He had to leave within hours before the US levied its threat against Hong Kong, which it ultimately did, and Hong Kong could cooly respond with 'he's not here'. If what the US said is true [hahaha], there is no longer reason for the US to pursue 'action' against Hong Kong.  What is the US going to do now? Go to the UN and try to institute crippling sactions against Hong Kong which it did to Iran? Is Obama going to shake the naughty finger at Putin?

Accoding to RT no other president has used the official secrets act against citizens of the US more than Obama. Obama will now have to find "Waldo" first before he takes to his stand with his teleprompter to inform us that once again americans are 'safe'.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:02 | 3683906 francis_sawyer
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Let me take a wild fucking guess... After 10 years and another $20 trillion, they'll find him at the bottom of the Indian Ocean next to Bin Laden [because someone will have noticed a drop of frankinsence & myhrr scented oil floating on the surface]...


It'll all happen somewhere between May 1 ~ July 4, 2021... [Obama will still be President & the national pastime will be throwing fucking gold bars off the roof of your house ~ which will be underneath the interstate]...

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