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House Intelligence Committee's Mike Rogers: "Snowden's Actions Defy Logic"
Just to confirm that in a world in which China and Russia (and Caracas... and Cuba) are increasingly seen as the paragons of liberty, virtue, and civil rights and the US is slowly but surely sinking into the role of the turnkey totalitarian tyranny antagonist, we just go this from House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers: "Edward Snowden's reported choice to fly to Cuba and Venezuela undermines his whistleblower claims... Everyone of those nations is hostile to the United States, the Michigan Republican said on NBC's "Meet the Press" news talk show. "When you think about what he says he wants and what his actions are, it defies logic," said Rogers.
Actually, Mike, when "you think about what he says", his actions make all the sense in the world, and certainly validate his "whistleblower claims."
Rogers added that the U.S. government must exhaust all legal options to get Snowden back to the United States, Rogers said. Of course it must: like any totalitarian emperor state exposed before the entire world with no clothes on, it only makes sense to focus on the messenger, and not on the underlying message.
And now back to a panicking administration which is forced to come up with escalating PR responses to a global scandal that is changing by the minute, on a completely ad hoc basis.
Next up: how to punish Hong Kong for not only flagrantly ignoring US orders, but humiliating the US before the entire world with its insubordination.
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I lost track of how many times the US officially killed Bin Laden. 5,6? Trot out seal team 6 and hey! yay we did it! But try this on: If we killed the 'head' of Al Qaeda, and we then turned around and armed and sent military support to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, in Libya, in Yemen, and now Syria, and the CIA and Al Qaeda have so inflitrated each other that they're one and the same, does that make Obama the head of Al Qaeda? I feel a rain of red arrows in the offing.
Obama will be replaced by the next Bush/Obama look alike. And we make so much fun of countries with dynasties.
There are so many nicer places to live than under the interstate. I expect them to become very crowded soon.
If this is the real deal with Snowden I expect a nice big market crash. Nothing diverts people's attention more than losing money.
@RSloane
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"Obama will be replaced by the next Bush/Obama look alike"
Bingo... No fucking shit... WB7 needs to start working on one of those Bush/Obama morphs to include a 3rd face... Fuck it... Might as well start with 'Hitlery'... It's all been the same administration anyway since Poppy waxed 'The Golden One'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASqUH8Pcul0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjh7gDfXzKg
@Francis
Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-B'Obama-Clinton-Clinton. Go go democracy! Thank God the US doesn't have a dynasty.
Where you here at ZH during the last presidential election? It was hysterical to watch the R's and D's line up stating LOUDLY that their candidate was the lesser of two evils. Quite empassioned some of them were, too. When people were told that Romney and Obama were the same candidate directed by an Oligarchy whose name can only be whispered, the hissy fits were awesome. Obama serves up Romneycare and the left cheers. Eschewing anything socialistic in their politcal candidate, the right hates Obamacare completely ignoring whose work Obama was plagerizing. Good theatre, I truly enjoyed it.
ITS ALL THE SAME FUCKING PERSON, GOOD PEOPLE because they all answer to the same masters.
Will has been very instrumental in making visual the hypcrisy of our R/D paradigm. You're right though, a third face is needed.
"Where you here at ZH during the last presidential election?"
Yes I was and daringly predicted the re-election of the black sheep and got duly junked.
Same argument I had for predicting his first term win.
Bingo +1
'Hitlery'...
..alien microbes must be ruling the world.
In the game of international smoke and mirrors, its hard to tell anymore what is covering for which. I'm expecting tomorrow to be fairly stinky but who knows. Nothing says hey look over here! more than a 401k valued at 300,000$ which is really worth 80,000$ losing 10% of its mark to fantasy value. I think you maybe onto something, Fonz.
This whole thing is so surreal. I feel like we are living a hallucination.
The only way I buy into that is the following:
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LOSSES
401k 'valued at' $300k implies the following [either or all]
- over 50
- still working ~ & even so if 'TRUE' on both of aforementioned, you must be getting your check signed by Uncle Remus, [which essentially means you don't like your team losing on any given day, but you have your sights set on October]... You have a beer & move on...
- Otherwise, you're either above or below that... If you're ABOVE... You want N-O-T-H-I-N-G [in society] to ever change [which means you're fucked, but you don't know it yet]... If you're BELOW that [in society], you don't want anything to change [because you never want the 'bread & circuses' that society affords, to end]...
So... Where's the 'breaking point'?
- 61.2% is always a nice number
- but I think the 'haves' have to go to 90% [with NO HOPE], before they buckle under...
The rest just ride it out... When you have NOTHING, you have nothing to lose...
You are overthinking this my man. Forget about the food stamp army. They don't have a care or a clue about this.
Here is the scene. Tomorrrow everything opens up calmly. Yields however keep drifiting higher and by 10am they hit 2.65%. Stocks go into a tailspin. Down 750 points by 11am. Circuit breakers go off. Scenes of traders running around screaming with their hair on fire. Market re opens, rallies slightly and then sells of and ends the day down 1,000 points.
Tuesday the market opens up down 500 points. Finally at some point it stabilizes. Yields back down below 2.25%. The dow still up a few percent for the year. But everyone stays transfixed on the markets.
Snowden ends up on the backpages, probably for a while.
(with that said the dow will probably be up 500 points this week)
I'm NOT overthinking it because I could give a FF what the 'markets' do... [Don't mistake my '61.2% or 89% fibo numbers as 'market related' ~ That's no more complicated than "SOCIOECONOMIC GEOMETRY 101"]...
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How's that for overthinking?...
I said a smash down in the market would subvert everyone's attention temporarily. I will probably be wrong. It would not be the first time.
"401k 'valued at' $300k implies the following [either or all]
- over 50
- still working ~ & even so if 'TRUE' on both of aforementioned, you must be getting your check signed by Uncle Remus, [which essentially means you don't like your team losing on any given day, but you have your sights set on October]... You have a beer & move on...
- Otherwise, you're either above or below that... If you're ABOVE... You want N-O-T-H-I-N-G [in society] to ever change [which means you're fucked, but you don't know it yet]... If you're BELOW that [in society], you don't want anything to change [because you never want the 'bread & circuses' that society affords, to end]...
So... Where's the 'breaking point'?
- 61.2% is always a nice number
- but I think the 'haves' have to go to 90% [with NO HOPE], before they buckle under...
The rest just ride it out... When you have NOTHING, you have nothing to lose...
If that was not overthinkin it then I apologize. It seemed like it was.
You may not know where Snowden is, I may not, ZH may not.
But the NSA will know, that's a certainty.
Obama is nothing but the public face for the Bureaucratic and Corporate Caste that have locked them themselves into perpetual power.
defy logic? logic has been defied for the past 5 years!
logic = terrorist
Slightly OT:
I just bought some cold medicine for my wife. I had to show ID to buy some ADVIL crap. Then, I had to sign a little thing that said, "pursuant to Federal Law..."
I almost lost it. I said to the clerk, "Federal Law. Wow. Federal Law so I can buy some cold medicine." The clerk looked at me like "huh...?"
Then I said "Well it's a good thing we've god the Federal Government to look after us." He said, "Well it's becase people make crystal meth from it. So it's pretty serious."
I gave up.
Can you imagine freedom in this country? Actual freedom? What a thought.
I recently closed my account at a large (TBTF) bank and switched to a credit union. At the TBTF, the branch manager that was handling my paperwork ask me why I was closing my account. I told her that I decided to no longer support corrupt institutions that thrive on usury. She then asked me "What's Usury?" A fucking bank manager that does not know the definition of "Usury"? I just laughed and told her to hurry up.
When stupidity is considered patriotic, it becomes unsafe to be intelligent.
Duh, wha?
holy shit.
"the branch manager that was handling my paperwork ask me why I was closing my account."
The correct response:
What? You mean you haven't heard? Oh, well, I guess they wouldn't tell you, would they? Never mind. You'll know soon enough.
I'm afraid to even start conversations with counter people any more. It makes me sad.
"Why Come You Don't Have Tattoo?"
It all started when women got the vote.
No, it started with this tinted monky
Oh really Congressman Rogers? Does this defy logic?
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130417/16253022748/oh-look-rep-mike-r...
You are bought and paid for...
Wow. Good one, Z_End.
Rogers, another liar.
He is but one of many...
Everyone should research all these congressmen and see what their spouses are doing, and what their associations are.
His wifes bio... travels in rareified circles... sticky web...
Per her current employer:
http://www.manatt.com/KristiRogers.aspx
+1
Rodger ...that
Getting closer to the real agenda behind Snowden squealing on the NSA with information that has already been common knowledge to those paying attention. Geez, I'm sure the Russians and Chinese know what is going on, but Venzuelans? I suspected this whole front from the beginning. They had to make it look like this kid really hates the NSA and exposed something big, when in reality he exposed very little. This is just hyped b.s. in another day in psy-ops land.
Meanwhile, we hear basically nothing about the FBI Todashev murder, except that the FBI has "investigated" 70 FBI past shootings and found them to all be Kosher! The morale of the story: NEVER let an FBI agent into your home or be alone with one. Always have someone or an attorney with you.
"...squealing on the NSA with information that has already been common knowledge to those paying attention"
ZH posted an article the other day explaining that what Snowden is/has revealed has been the subject of conspiracy theory for some time. His exposures turn all that into conspiracy fact. Evidenced by the vindictive response to him by the criminal US Govt.
A slightly different matter.
It was more than just "conspiracy theory". The alternative media (some of them) had it right all along, but the mainstream media had written on this as well, but it just wasn't ran 24/7 like it is now. There may be more than one "agenda" involved. Could be one group is working this to take Obama down, while at the same time inserting one of their own into nations that are at odds with the U.S.....Then he can spy there as well. etc etc..
Fair enough. But there's also another story here.
A young American patriot who blows the whistle on staggering, unlawful, mass surveillance by its govt of its own citizens - for no genuine valid reason - is driven to flee his own country and seek asylum in another country. Or suffer a very vindictive punishment. When that guy is an American and his country is America - a nation with a long tradition of freedom and liberty which made it the envy of the civilised world - it tells us that something has gone very seriously wrong with democracy and accountability. This is surely the road to totalitarianism which will destroy everything that America stands for (or used to).
I wonder if Obama realises that he is making the US Govt the laughing stock of the world?
I wonder if he cares a jot about that?
The FBI is now no longer a force for good in our country.
It is a gang of assassins.
If one approaches you, assume he is there to kill you. Period.
Do not, under any circumstance, allow them to be alone with you unless you have them at gunpoint. If they make a move, kill them. They will kill you, but you will have at least been able to get one or two of them.
Do Not Trust The "FBI."
Have a lawyer present if possible.
Always have a weapon at the ready. They will try to lure you with some BS before they kill you.
It is sad beyond belief we can no longer trust what was once a Premier, LE Agency.
Beware!
Mike Rogers is obviously a 'mouth-on-legs' idiot who simply doesn't understand the meaning of the word "logic". If he cannot understand what usually drives people to become whistleblowers, then he needs to go on a course "Understanding Humanity ...For Dummies".
Obviously they don't need to be intelligent to be on the "House Intelligence Committee".
Can you hear that Wind rising Mike Rogers ? Can you see these leaves trembling ? Can you understand why your other cockroach friends scurry away in fear?
That is the sound of inevitability. A storm is rising that will clear once and for all these petty tyrants, ruthless criminals and servile traitors who have infected the halls of the once great US capital. Humanity is awakening to your deceit.
Like the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West, you have already lost.
Could everyone just include this JPEG as a footer to their emails for a week or two?
https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/528/2330/original...
Sprint fibre optic Cable TAT 14 landing map UK https://www.tat-14.com/tat14/stations.jsp
thats where GCHQ hovers up all the data traffic, with the permission of Sprint
and these 33 cable operators: https://www.tat-14.com/tat14/gclist.jsp
Assange was elevated to hero status by many - but eventually the story shifted to be just another guy with an agenda - a selective whistleblower is NOT a whistleblower. Where is the BAC file? Where is the Russian data?
Fast forward to Snowden, once again elevated to hero status by the dupes who claim to be skeptics but are not.
Fair & Balanced®: try FOX News.
There are two classes of people .... the PSO (Public Servant Oligarchs) ..... who feed first at the "Trickle Down Fiat Fountain" .... and the rest of us .... follow the money .... it's not that complicated ! WWW.PublicServantOligarchs.com "Long live the Revulsion !" .... Monedas 1929
Listen to Chuck (The Schmuck) Schumer's rant on CNN this morning. The legitimacy of those who rule this country seems to be eroding at a faster and faster clip. Have the constant lying and criminal activity finally reached critical mass ? I hear panic in the voices of our 'Dear Leaders' hysterically trying to defend their defenseless actions.
Isn't Schumer one of those guys who betrayed the trust of the American People?
You know, A Traitor?
A guy who ends up reaping all the bad karma he generated while thinkng he was a Ruler of some kind?
I'll never forget that cocksucker after the 2006 midterms saying the democrats had a majority that would "...rule for a generation". What the fuck? Yourv supposed to represent not rule the people you cunt.
Every F'n human on the planet 7 billon or so of those M'Fers hate the FEDs in Washington. They see them as the enemy of the world now that people are showing how they committed treason against the United States of America and are working to turn the US into a world Facist empire. Fuck Washington and Mike fuckface too.
Long live the revolution.
Anyone notice while in Berlin, Obama calls for more reductions of Cold War armaments. What a sacrifice world governments would be making, reducing weaponry from the last century that they allegedly have been sitting on for decades. Again, old world PR stunt pulled out and somehow expected to be a big deal to the people the world over. He must be bucking for another Noble Peace Prize. Even trying to inovke the ghost of JFK like anyone in the crowd or the world still gives a shit or even believes in "Ich Bin ein Berliner". That may still send chills down he and those of his age and ilk (I doubt) but the people, the masses of this era don't give a shit about fairy tale Camelot days of yore. Piss on the founding fathers and twist and bastardize their vision of a free society then sooner or later the government will reap what is sow's. Not a threat from me, NSA, just a prediction.
The biggest mistake you make while assessing your actions vs another is underestimating their intelligence. Far too long those in the liberal elite media and "northeast intelligencia" has sold us on the notion that the masses are fat, stupid, lazy, uneducated, and do not care about things as long as they can get a six pack buffalo wings. Indeed pull the layers back and that is but a small fraction of what makes up the citizenry and until they recognize that their bullshit messages will continued to be scoffed at with mocking tones.
"Ich bin ein Negger !" .... Obammy
Correct: Neger
C'mon now there's no need to degrade the debate with that sort of talk. Doing so makes any legitmate criticism "illegitimate" and plays right into the hands of the Jimmy Carter's and the anti Tea Party groups along with the run of the mill liberal and most certainly the Huffpos' and NY Times' of the world.
It is really time for all of us to stop using race as a weapon or a crutch. I know the government makes it impossible to truly move away from race as an issue. They want to teach everyone to ignore the color of one's skin, which is absolutely right, but by the same token every form you ever fill out forces you to choose a box detailing your race. Furthermore decisions by colleges along with every government department, census takers, banking, and even public sponsored groups keep track of race and even encourage the segregaton of minorities and supports certain races to form their own professional clubs. Society will never get to the point where the color of one's skin is of no consideration as long as it is at the forefront of everything our government does.
The real shame is that when you observe children, they never consider the color of another childs skin when playing and making friends it's only when adults and society as a whole starts pointing it out do they start noticing.
In other news...
http://www.timesofisrael.com/assad-and-morsi-feel-the-heat/?utm_source=d...
Western powers prepare to impose no-fly zone over Syria and orchestrate a military coup, a Saudi news website reportsA meeting on the future of Syria held in the Qatari capital Doha leads the headlines of Arab newspapers on Sunday, with reports on a decision to arm the opposition, thereby changing the balance of power on the ground in favor of the rebel forces fighting Bashar Assad.
According to London-based daily Al-Hayat, the 11 foreign ministers who took part in the meeting agreed that reinforcing the balance of power between Assad and his opponents will pave the way for a political outcome to be discussed at the Geneva 2 conference on Syria.
Saudi-owned daily A-Sharq Al-Awsat quotes Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassem Al Thani as saying that arming the Syrian opposition is the only way to end the conflict in Syria.
“Moral support alone will not suffice,” he said.
The daily features a photo of US Secretary of State John Kerry chatting with Qatar’s crown prince Tamim bin Hamad on the sidelines of the conference.
Saudi news site Elaph, which recently reported that the imposition of a no-fly zone over Syria is imminent, repeats that report on Sunday. According to the site, a number of secret decisions were taken by the participating countries, including a no-fly zone over Syria, the establishment of a buffer zone in the country’s south, and an attempt to orchestrate a military coup against Assad.
Mike Rogers - "I learned my chops from the Iraqui Minister of Truth during Desert Storm."
Snowden is generating a list of Countries that are no longer going to knuckle under to threats by US FED dictocrats. Hong Kong, Russia, the list grows. The FED is losing its power to dictate the story.
Legal options? Nigga please, since when does the government follow the rule of law?
our racist nazi pee resident and all round criminal says snowden is baaadd. who uses the nsa to spy on anyone who disagrees with him? who uses the irs to go after anyone who disagrees with him? well i believe the answer to both is prez prissypants ....end the bue state model of slavery and enjoy freedoom from democrat/repub tyranny!
"It may be racist .... to call the "Nigger" .... a racist .... they don't have the power .... to effect their racism .... if they had any !" .... Monedas 1929 Comedy Jihad Making Up The Rules As There Is No Presidential Guidance World Tour
in moscow he should really try that polonium cake. very good and very nice.
What's sad is, there's not even ONE country in the western world with enough balls to tell the US dictators to take a hike.
Well there's Iceland, but who wants to live in Iceland?
I do!
Snowden is the latest whipping boy. The whipping boy must not escape!
MORE than absolutely ANYTHING, the Empire hates being made fun of... tee-hee!
Right, he should check into the nearest Marriot Hotel with his cancelled US Passport and report for immediate interdiction and citizen reprogramming.
Fuck You Mike Rogers
Traitor? A traitor is IMO anyone who betrays the People of the United states and subverts the US Constitution. So,if we're naming traitors I nominate every senator and congressman who voted for Hank Paulson's bank bailout in 2008, and every single member of the Executive Branch of the US government, at least 5 of the 'Supremes" and probably 30-40% of the Federal Judiciary, the top ranks of every Cabinet-level agency, most of the US intelligence community, quite a few of our beloved 'troops', and - at the very top of the list, traitor and war criminal Dick Cheney.
Any member of CON-gress who voted for the original or continuation of the "patriot" act is in fact a traitor because it violates their oath of office to uphold the Constitution. All of these people should be impeached, the patriot and other spying bills should be rescinded, and we should return to the rule of law. Otherwise, we're fucked as a country.
There are only 5-600 of these total bastards in office.
There are what, 300 million of us guys?
Why are we letting them mercilessly rape everything we hold sacred when we could easily end their Tyranny?
The scoop is out, mericuns, either bend over and grab your ankles, or figure out how to legally end this reign of Evil.
What part of logic is being defied Mr. Rogers? You are a corrupt group in DC, the man does not trust you or do the American people, why not try to find a place in the world he can live in freedom rather than be executed or rot in a US Jail cell? Venezuela, or Cuba or Russia is far better than death from a group of traitors! What is illogical about that Rogers?
huh? i dont see cuba bombing kids by using drones
Yeah, how many wedding parties have the Russians blown up lately?
And that sick fuck in the white house who watches drone snuff films over and over while he fondles his deck of death. How's he doin?
It's only a matter of time before Snowden and maybe Greenwald are accused of being sexual predators.
Hong Kong still belives in the rule of law and due process. Here in the states the dictators in the Democratic party do whatever they want. Here is a case in point.
One late Tuesday night (11:30 PM) in January 2013, the Governor of New York State called an emergency session of the state legislature. All voting memebers had to show up and vote. The "emergency" was called due to the actions of Andrew Lanza in ANOTHER STATE (Newton CT). Even though Lanza's actions occurred a MONTH before in ANOTHER state, Gov. Cuomo called an "emergency" session in New York State!
During that session the governor and largely his left wing liberal Democrat co-conspirators met behind closed doors and drafted a 41 page Bill called the New York SAFE Act. After emerging from the closed door session, the legislature was then forced to Vote for this Act based on its "emergency" measures. Everyone had approximately 15 minutes to read this hastily drafted bill and then vote on it. It Passed of course.
I watched this live on the internet. I was quite disgusted seeing the Liberal Democratic machine push through the death of the 2nd Amendment in New York State (plus a few Liberal Republicans too). The applause made me the sickest, to see my civil rights taken way with laughter and applause disguested me completely.
There is no Rule of LAW in New York State. Everything is up for grabs as an "emergency" measure to protect the "children" etc. This is the Democratic - Chicago style way of Democracy, if you don't belive this, then Fuck you too.
Since this time I have joined a Local Tea Party. Wrote 400 Leters out of pocket. Got my rifle club to write 2,500 letters and attended (2) 2nd Amendment Tea party Protest Rallies. Not to mention all my Internet posts etc.
Here are the high level points of this bill. (There is more but here are the beauties)
All Guns need to be registered (Long and Short Arms)
All Guns have a maximum of 7 Rounds per Magazine, Clip or Tubular magazine. (If you have more than 7 rounds you have an Assault weapon in your hands baby! Even that .22 Marlin or Henry lever gun that your grandfather gave you, is now the equivalent of an AR in NYS. The law did NOT exempt law envorcement! So all Cops in NYS are effectivly felons. Handguns too, 9 Shot .22 your a felon, Colt 1911 with 7 Rounds your OK)
All Ammo Purchases require a background check.
No more direct shipment of Ammo. (This effectivly is killing Youth Sport Shooting in New York State. Lets say you try to have an afternoon shoot match on the weekends. .22 at various targets 60, 70, 80, 100 yards away. Your going to need about 500 rounds per kid. If you have 10 or 20 kids, thats allot of ammo. The Background checks alone will kill this target match. The fact that you can't get direct shipments from the Manufaturer have killed this sport.)
It was Bloomberg money, and rumored (NY Post?) to be Bloomberg's bill.
Bloomberg puts money screws to Cuomo. Cuomo, who controls the disbursements for Sandy relief, puts the screws to the downstate Republicans et al. The rest is simple corruption.
The Democrats of course control the process..
Even in Alice in Wonderland, I don't think such stupidity would pass.
But in NYS, it did.
De-elect incumbents, and keep working on your Tea Party.
This poor, broken reprobate of a country we live in is an absolute joke! Let's see, We hope to imprison Edward Snowden for revealing our Federal government is violating our constitutional rights, with the excuse of keeping us safe - FROM, our named enemies Al-qaeida...Whom we are arming in the Syria conflict. WTF??? So, in affect, we are rewarding and protecting our enemies at the expense of the U.S. citizens personal liberties.
The underbelly of tyranny survives in the heart of hypocrasy.
Let's not forget the financial terrorism which has been moved steadily along with the cooperation of politicians and judicial members.
Compromising the security of the United States of America could never be so severe as it the country is bankrupt, insolvent, beyond ability to repay loans. And the wars. The wars to fight the bad guys. Oh yes, must destroy entire fucking countries to get the men who are armed with weapons paid for by the US tax dollars.
The tears of children and the screams of their mothers would haunt a normal man and woman beyond the grave but not these politicians. They are seen laughing with fucking delight as they line their pockets with the blood-stained cash.
Fuck "Mike Rogers."
The US government has become the enemy of any decent human being.
What is so wrong about this Snowden afffair is that the USA has lost legitimacy in due process, habius corpus, and its federal courts. Many know they won't be given a fair shake, and that is how dissidents are born.
We are now witnessing, for the the first time in US history, people turning in their passports because they would rather not deal with the IRS and the whole system to boot!! This is unreal if you grew up in the USA just a few decades ago.
Worse yet, it just adds fuel to the fire for everyone who dislikes the USA and Americans, and there are many, irregardless of your good will. As someone who has been abroad for many years, I find it depressing and sad for all expat Americans.
I will leave you with this one, as to me it sums up the USA. You pick the characters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c910pWbp5JY
Mr. Rogers is confused. Can you say confused? Sure, I knew you could.
Rogers was FBI. He is a political animal. Need I say more?
Watch the sheeple reelect him and all yhe other traitors
...defy logic to be a commy fuck
"Everyone of those nations is hostile to the United States,"
Well no shit motherfukkerz. As an act of self preservation of course you would EXPECT them to be hostile towards USA.
Can't blame 'em now can you?
Cat callin' the kettle black here, no?
Rogers, you're full of shit!
Just heard on CNN that Snowden's passport has been revoked.
Counter-Intel
Rep Mike Rogers and those on congressional intelligence committees are only pissed because they have been shown to be culpable, probably through ignorance (which make it worse), by failing to protect our constitutional liberties. To busy eternally campaigning to care.
Benjamin Franklin once said: " 'treason' is a word invented by the winners as an excuse to hang the losers". Mankind (including U.S.) has not come that far out of the jungle. I have no fear of what Snowden says; my fear is in the overreaction of our various intellengence services.
Remember that these congressmen were voted into power time after time. Remember that the vast majority of Americans enthusiastically embraced the War on Terr and the rising police state after 9/11. This is the America that the American mob wanted.
" Next up: how to punish Hong Kong for not only flagrantly ignoring US orders, but humiliating the US before the entire world with its insubordination."
I think it's safe to assume that H.K. is in the good graces of the mainland for the time being. If G.S. is the financial squid, the U.S. kleptrocracy (.gov) is the universal SQUID!
If I was the USA I would not worry about Snowden as it does not appear that the man is out to do damage to his country.
But f I was the NSA i would worry about the potential of a real traitor to divulge US secrets that would endanger the USA's security.
With such a large army of snoops the potential for such damage is scary and this should be a concern to the people of the USA.
What is Snowden out for?
The damage that could be brought to the surface of this swamp with unchecked surveillance on every move is beyond the citizens. Politicians are human and as all of us do, they have skeltons in their closets as well.
Affairs seem to be the stake in the heart of a man or woman in this society, regardless of their method of obtaining their wealth, be it swindling or backroom deals with shady characters, an affair will finish them in the political arena. A scandal is just what losers look for to crawl their slimy way up the ladder, while they kick those who have earned their position by hard work in the face to advance themselves.
As we know, the MAIN STREAM MEDA has failed to provide the US people with the accurate news, otherwise, WHISTLEBLOWERS would not be needed.
The use of information against a political component is part of it. But the apparent giant force of NSA sympathizers which will resort to FALSE FLAGS to move their agenda forward, has included ASSASSINATIONS of presidents and politicians along with authors and journalists who attempt to speak out about the QUITE COUP in place. In fact, the USA is now calling the citizens who oppose globalization terrorits.
YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US. And they meant it.
...as Lord Acton put it - "All power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
The reason "Great men" - political leaders, specifically - " almost always are bad men" is that they can rise to power and eminence, and stay there, such as the world is and men are, only by duplicity, dishonesty, hypocrisy and fraud. And indeed, apart from that power corrupts anyway.
Irish parliamentarian: Obama is a war criminal:
http://youtu.be/CnJCvKA-oEU
Enough said.
Yeah, turn yourself into the Gestapo and be tortured, imprisoned or put to death. Or maybe all three! Thats real logical.
Hey Mike, you're a fucking dickhead. Shut the fuck up pencildick!
As Thomas DiLorenzo pointed out "the people" was actually unfortunate shorthand for "the people of the united states of .,.,.,.,.,." (plural states, not state) in the documents for the US Constitution which was deliberately misinterpreted (e.g. by Abraham Lincoln * and other Nationalist Statist thugs); this misuse yielded Nationalism, Statism, the US Civil War, Patriotism, involvement in World Wars, and Imperialism.
* Yes, history is rewritten (by the victors) e.g. the World has been lied to about Abraham Lincoln; he was quite shockingly detested, while alive, in US and international press from the time, and slavery was quite negotiable with him. Most official history books blatantly lie about Abraham Lincoln and there is shocking a statue still intact to this monster (WTF!); the recent Speel-berg movie is shameful lying drivel.
BTW I'm English, so regard the continuing degradation of the United States of America to an Imperialist State of America as tragically ironic, even black farce.
As for meta data capture for internet access, this only gets you so far, and may be of limited use for smarter opponents who use misdirection.
I expect that data content capture will become a bad joke, because smarter opponents will figure out how to make captured data useless for analysis, because the analysis software won't know what protocol or encoding was used, so it will look innocuous or not look like useful information. P2P software can already do something like this; so what do you think would happen if more emphasis was put on the security of data, it's source, and it's target? You have a much bigger problem then; you may not have the access, data, resources, or technology to cover fully!
Defies all logic?
His actions are the most logical.
A reporter overheard NSA personnel joking about "disappearing" Mr. Snowden.
By what logic would a person knowingly submit themselves to the kind of treatment being applied to Bradley Manning? 23 hour solitary confinement? Zero contact?
Mr. Snowden has already said he knows he cannot return to the US. By what logic would he care what this totalitarian government believes he must follow?
I don't think Mr. Snowden is a hero or a traitor...yet. But he surely could have walked into any media center in New York and made these claims on live TV. Why the jet setting? Do we think China/Russia aren't engaged in massive electronic eavesdropping? Puhleeze.
The problem isn't the US Spying on China/Russia. Thats what the NSA and Spying is all about, figuring out what the other Nations are doing.
The problem is the Domestic Spying. American Citizens have the right to due process. If the government suspects a citizen is doing something wrong they NEED a warrent!
In New York State a Police officer isn't allowed to ask someone if they are an illegal alien or not. In fact if the NYPD picks up known Illegal, they are PREVENTED from calling in ICE etc. An illegal is essentially protected from the system BY the system.
I just want to be treated with the same respect as the average Illegal Alien.
If your a Citizen however, you have the NSA spying on you, the IRS Auditing you (if your not a radical socialist), and the reset of the "system" redistributing your wealth to those more worthy of YOUR money.
What are they so afraid of?
They are absolutely terrified of what Mr Snowden might reveal. And I havent seen this much eagerness to get someone since Osama bin Laden when on the US hit list.
This "Mike" guy is one delusional FuckTard.