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Snowden Applies For Ecuador Asylum, Foreign Minister Tweets
Just released by the Twitter account of Ecuador's Minister of External Relations and Commerce Ricardo Patino Aroca:
The Government of Ecuador has received an asylum request from Edward J. #Snowden
— Ricardo Patiño Aroca (@RicardoPatinoEC) June 23, 2013
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Do it. Do it.
Better than Hong Kong, but Russia has more muscle.
& hotter babes.
Any place is better than Room 101.
francis_sawyer says it HERE:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-23/wikileaks-reveals-it-working-sn...
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It comes out THERE...
[Sorry for the 3 hour delay ~ I was eating breakfast]...
I'm going to up arrow you not only for prescience but also to offset the down arrows you will get simply for typing anything.
[It took 3 long hours for their 'scriptwriters' to agree on the f-s thesis, but they were were busy at the breakfast buffet shoving sausages & 'shit on a shingle' down their pie-holes & hustling Rogers up to his 'Face the Nation' & 'Meet the Press' gigs... Well ~ at least they got all the 'AofE' countries nominated & on record in the process...
Within 3 'Emmy Seasons' ~ Snowden will be remembered as a 'Vampire Hunter' [just like honest Abe was]... Neilsen & Arbitron are gratified for your participation in the survey...
Don't worry. He is not going to be on that airplane going to Ecuador that will mysteriously explode over the Atlantic, the explosion in which nobody is recovered.
Rumor of his sighting will continue forever, just like Elvis.
https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/528/2330/original...
pic of the day
“I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but still I can do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do something that I can do.” Edward Everett Hale, A Man Without a Country
The Man Without a Country" is a short story by American writer Edward Everett Hale, first published in The Atlantic in December 1863. It is the story of American Army lieutenant Philip Nolan, who renounces his country during a trial for treason and is consequently sentenced to spend the rest of his days at sea without so much as a word of news about the United States.
When a so-called "major power" nation's "laws" are ignored by other nations, it should tell the world that the "major power" has become a pariah on the world stage. Similar to the Soviet Union during the Cold War or Nazi Germany. Perhaps this can be an indication to the US citizens still under the impression that they live in a legitimate nation. The people of this country are being entertained to death and need to awaken. Once they do, the heads will begin to roll. This is an issue that transcends the left-right paradigm. People are beginning to awaken! Snowden is a hero!
The mainstream media keeps pushing this lie that Snowden is some sort of spy who is on the government's hit list because he stole sensitive documents or something. All Snowden did was expose the fact that the NSA is spying on every single American citizen, without warrant and without probable cause.
Edward Snowden should not be the story here - it should be the NSA and other government agencies who use their technology to violate the rights of American citizens. You cannot violate the fourth amendment every day and blame it on "keeping us safe." This scam doesn't work anymore now that everyone in America knows that there is no real threat from "terrorism" except the terroristic acts of our own agencies against us.
All Snowden did was expose the truth and I think he should be commended for it instead of being black-bagged and kidnapped. The lid is finally blowing off of the government corruption now and there's no holding it back. They can assasinate the whistle blowers one by one, but it's like a boiling kettle now. The steam is escaping, there's nothing they can do about it, and they're in a blind panic trying to control the narrative of information.
It was worth me posting my rant against these Criminals again.
Ecuador certainly makes sense considering Wikileaks involvement.
Was also a good suggestion made by someone a week ago :)
http://www.zerohedge.com/node/475336#comment-3665391
Snowden - "Asylum shopping."
Who has he heard from that we haven't (via tweets or FB or a page off Drudge).
Can you give me sanctuary?
I must find a place to hide,
A place for me to hide.
Can you find me soft asylum?
I can't make it anymore,
The Man is at the door.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebWLbrOoOqg
"Now yes!
Give me your hand ...
... And come with me.
Come and travel with me to search for the magic sounds ..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq0IQ-QH3No
This isn't going to turn out well for the Snowden Fantasy Fan Club here on Zerohedge.
Tick-Tock!
the mother of all false flags is on the way.
Do they also cover live feeds from Russia Today or Al Jazeera? If yes, I want to thank them for not peppering air time with commercials about panty liners with wings and the newest model from Chevy that will explode on impact but does ensure the label of patriot will be etched on your tombstone. No, not a mention of breakfast cereals drenched in sugar and dyes, nor a mention about putting on your best cool clothes and dancing at a hot night spot that will ensure your popularity, and possibly up your chances of getting laid.
I prefer 'Amish' TV.
RSloane you think this kid is legit or more theatre like Francis says?
He may be faked in the same way that Jesus never existed. So what, what he stands for is real. That's all that matters. If NSA cooked him up as diversion for syria invasion which Putin shut off threatening all out nuclear war, then I want to thank the NSA for that. Snowden is now a symbol for freedom. That's all that matters.
Well said. I don't see any upside to faking this.
Jesus ~ You mean that dude 'born in Judea' [who pissed off the Romans so they crucified him]... Then, later, it took dozens of 'gospels' & a 'Council of 'Nicea' [aka: conclave 'editing room], to decide what the TRUTH was & sell it to a public [who was largely illiterate]?...
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So why the fuck isn't the pope a 'Sparticastian'?... [Oh yeah ~ because the disciples of Spartacus, unluckily, ended up as lightposts along the 'Appian Way' after the Third Servile War]...
I'm not sure what to think about this situation. For sure, either he's got a lot of help or I NEVER want to hear anyone say the Gen Y kids are all stupid and lazy. He is clearly neither. Watching him work over the last few weeks has been absolutely amazing. Like DB Cooper, but he doesn't care if you know where he is- you're still not going to catch him.
There easy, Francis. You're going pop a blood vessel. and let's not off topic. Like I said, in the same way Jesus never existed, but the ideas that they attributed to this Jesus person are real and valid. Ideas which few Christians now a day follow anyway.
My point is even if they psychop us; we can coopt the psychoop and psychoop those motherfuckers NSA back. Win win situation for freedom.
The only way I'd ever pop any blood vessels would be from uncontrollable laughter...
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This is all fucking HIGH COMEDY... Shit ~ The only thing funnier than this is the image of the "LUCIFERIAN ANTI-DEFAMATION LEAGUE", In Switzerland, bringing their 10,000 page long set of grievances to the high court of the land to try & shut Tyler down after some irreverant comments by someone [who mistakenly took objection to the fact that some innocent Syrian women & children were slaughtered because the ULTIMATE Balfour objective hadn't been accomplished yet]...
Francis
You have a point. If Snowden is a fake and China let Snowden go, that means they're not biting the bait. I was curious when I heard Snowden saying that NSA hacked all servers in China and HongKong, BUT NSA did not get any military intelligence. SO NSA could plant Snowden to let China knows that its military secrets are still safe, when in fact NSA has all China's military specifications. Russia is not biting either, if Snowden in fact goes to Ecuador.
It doesn't matter. I don't care about Russia or China. I only care about the constitution of USA which is shredded to bits. So my point remains. Snowden , faked or not, should be made a hero and NSA should be accountable to the constitution. End of story.
Chinese military secrets? Lol like recycled half-built Russian aircraft
carriers and rocket technology leaked by Clinton donors? I don't think that would be that interesting to see :)
Oh sure ; just like the Vietnamese's military specifcation were all AK-47, some cheap RPG that they got from the Russians, some second rate artilleries etc , etc. Look at how that war turned out.
There is no secret to having "numbers" or time on your side, so FAIL.
The only thing I could think of in terms of "upside" for The Man would be if they were trying to encourage the Patriot movement folks to embark on a wave of anti-govt action that could justify a bigger clamp-down - but that's a pretty weak justification IMHO. At this point they just kinda do what they want anyway.
i got an idea for a comedy the other day.
Jesus has a fucktard brother he hasnt seen since early childhood. the TWIN brother hears of his siblings ability to draw a crowd. where there is a crowd, there is coin! after loosing his bankroll in a failed falafel house, he makes the trek across the desert to see his brother. so he shows up, just in time, to be considered the resurected son of god. he tries to explain, but its hard not to take advantage of a situation with everyone moaning and dropping to their knees at freefall speeds.
who would do well in the role of "Jesus"?
vince vaughn, bradley cooper, or zach galifianakis.
Funny. Zach Galifianakis is your man.
How about Graham Chapman?
Nah - he was just a very naughty boy.
That's solid gold right there. Anytime you mention something religious AND get downvotes at ZH you are doing something right.
Zach would be a good Jesus IMO.
actually, i think i understand the source of the downvotes....not enough diversity for todays crowd. ok boys, pass it around the horn once.
who would do well to play the role of "Jesus"?
chris rock, cch pounder, or peter dinklage?
@Fonz
I think he is more legit than the fake backdrop being constructed by our gov't.
The professional spinners are out in full force. They have been ever since Snowden touched down in Hong Kong. RT did a review of how the US MSM is handling Snowden, and looking at the perponderance of lies out there, I don't think they would have reacted as they did if Snowden was fake. Everyone but the janitors at the WH are on television berating him, accusing him of crimes he didn't committ, and even questioning his emotional state. When someone like Feinstein can go on national television and be allowed to smear Snowden with the accusation of'mental problems' [like she doesnt have any] and the interviewer [paid shill] sits there and nods his head in agreement, it tells me he is legit. Even the babushkaed Pelosi tried but unfortunately for her there were live people in her audience and she got booed. This kind of smear campaign is going on 24/7 on every channel and in almost every newspaper in the USSA. I would guess no one in gov't bothers to read the foreign press, because if they did, they would know they look like a pack of wild apes.
Next up they will be reading quotes from dead presidents that 'prove' Snowden is a traitor. Oh wait, they already did that.
Thanks for the repy. Agree completely.
Sloane ~ I think you 'get it' [even though I have to turn my head sideways like a confused labrador to see your avatar]...
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Synthesis: "Snowden is legit... But all this "post script" WAG THE DOG, Indiana Jones, LAO CHE, bullshit, is contrived... After all ~ It's hard to make a script about a "psychopath, traitor, Darth Vader, villain" if he's hiding in his mom's basement...
No... Instead he's gotta crap lightning, fart thunder, have 'blue on blue eyes', ingest Spice, & possess "The WEIRDING WAY"
http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Weirding_Way
Personally i doubt the entire narrative until i see evidence he's still alive.
Pics or it didn't happen as they say..
Yeah, good luck with that... They'll be along as soon as the "1 HOUR PHOTO" store, run by Robin Williams, gets done processing the photos of Bin Laden's body being wrapped in fine linen, anointed with fine scents & oils, & being eased gently into the calm Indian Ocean with 'Jabber Jaws' praying quietly in the distance...
Yup, but definitely a step up from Venezuela.
but right next to colombia.............a CIA/MIC playground
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The empire wants to keep 9 military bases in Afghanistan after 2014
http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_06_23/U-S-courts-Taliban-to-keep-nine-bases-...
Just talked with a Spanish friend who knows some Ecuadoreans here, and she talked to them about Snowden -
On the one hand the Ecuadoreans were pleased that President Rafael Correa and Ecuador would offer Snowden asylum, on the other hand they thought it was 'stupid and crazy' for Snowden to go there.
They said Ecuador is so poor, many people would sell info about Snowden to help kidnap him etc for only a few hundred dollars ... and that tho the government is leftist and anti-US, there are many right-wing pro-America types in Ecuador who would think it actually good and right to help kill a dissident hunted by the USA
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Funny there are about 700,000 Ecuadoreans who are refugees from Ecuador in Europe
Most are economic migrants escaping the poverty there, but some are genuine political refugees who received political asylum in European countries - the last coup d'état in Ecuador was only 13 years ago, in 2000
Well if there was another coup and Snowden was still around he could head to Bolivia etc
I just read LIBRA by Don DeLillo and am reminded of L.H. Oswald shopping himself around. I would not think Ecuador was Snowden's first choice.
It might not be his real choice either.
I think we all should seek asylum; it would be really cool.
The HS dropout continues to outsmart the fucking idiots in charge at NSA and the WH!!!!!!!
The kid is going to be an international superstar soon, if not already!!! Maybe some more of those egomaniacs at the NSA subcontractors, will start to see the "benefits" of doing the right thing, and start to join him!
Which is what the fascists in the WH and Intel are the MOST afraid of, the power of a righteous example can bring down an army of tyrants!!!
It was the misguided and naive belief in an out-of-nowhere, "international superstar" and "righteous example" that put the latest and greatest tyrant in the White House.
The difference is.......... He's not running for prez, I'm sure an oversight in your "little" input!
The problem is our willingness to being led down one false path after another. Sorry that went over your head.
It is you who must have been "lead" somewhere! Comparing Obama to Snowden, is the wolf to the sheep!! Snowden has asked nothing of me nor anyone! Ive followed him nowhere! The false idol has asked for everything, including your liberty, blinded loyalty, and soon your life!
Confusion of the simplest truths is always the calling card of the devil!
Orwell wrote "1984" to point out the direction the West was headed, most especially the UK. He was not writing about the Soviet Union, no, he expected a drift into an even more sinister gulag state, and that the West was where it would arise. USA is looking more and more like that state, and the UK is even worse.
Snowden has his reasons, but if he wants to live, Russia should be his destination, with FSB security and maybe a Russia Special Forces "Spetsnaz" bodyguard, Obama would have to try a drone strike. I will laugh my ASS OFF when Russian S-400 and Tor M-1 anti aircraft systems finish with the Obama drone force. Kiss your death machines goodby Obama, can you kill at will over Russian airspace? Fucking coward!
I never thought much of Obama, now I loath his very name. I hated Bush with a passion, now Obama is in the same catagory. Useless pricks!
Could not have said it better JB, Bravo. I am old and tired and only hope to see this prick get whats coming to him before I die. I will proudly display the American flag the day they convict this prick Obama for crimes against the constitution. As for Bush, I wish the same faith.
No harm mind you, just a court conviction and public display.
Note that his passport has been revoked...
US State department spokesperson, Jen Psaki, said that passport revocation is "routine and consistent with US regulations" towards persons with felony arrest warrants.
Moral: If you piss of the US Gov or its bosses (domestic or foreign) -- for any reason -- there could be a felony arrest warrant out for you, and your US passport revoked. Times like this, makes you think about having at least a second residency: Plan B.
Or are we not supposed to direct our Plan B logic at ourselves, since we're "Patriots"*?
* "A 100% patriot is a 100% idiot". I recall reading this somewhere, some years ago.
Looks like Ecuador is the next Axis of Evil nation that we must invade.
Today, and this is no fucking lie, CNN announcer said Ecuador is an "enemy state". No shit, I heard them say it 3 hours ago.
We've always been at war with Ecuador.
Let the legal proceedings can begin against Ecuador believed to be responsible for serious international crimes, including war crimes and crimes against humanity.
don't you mean 'liberate'? who are the ecuadorian freedom fighters....i need to purchase stock in them because the USSA is about to dump a few C130 cargo loads of $100 bills on them.....
Fuck him. I just wanna know where his ex lands to do a centerfold spread.
We are all Ecuadorians today ! there is still some hope and freedom somewhere on this planet !
I hope Ecuador, a tiny country does not end up paying for this like Panama did when the CIA paid Noriega became the fall guy in all this manufactured "spook" bullshit.
If Ecuador provides immunity, it says something about the government's willingness there to stand for something many other nations forgot.
Good for them.
Ah panama....a great place to crawl around in the bush looking for supposed badguys...
Let's see what "persuasion" it will take by the US to convince Ecuador that it is not in its best intetest to shield Snowden. On the other hand Snowden might just be (unintentionally) promoting the interests of the US by presenting the illusion that there really is a "free" press. The best way to control dissent is to lead the dissent or to "allow" certain dissent.
Stop pushing me further down the rabbit hole CD.
You're going to go down that hole and like it!
There is some deep irony in having the world find out about your asylum request via twitter. But if the request is granted you can bet Ricardo will be Snowden's BFF.
Schumerising Ecuador, sounds like Hooverizing bigtime!
Suck up that whistle blower, just whistle and that ecuadorian police will oblige as if their life was on the line.
When it comes to persuasion these days, it's israel that does the heavy lifting... not the USA. And when it comes to persuading Ecuador to cough up[or choke down on]embarrassing guests...
there's already quite a track record. http://www.roitov.com/articles/baz.htm \ http://www.roitov.com/articles/aaa.htm
And since, ultimately, it the espionage crimes of the israeli intelligence complex that Prismgate et al is exposing... Snowden's dead meat if he stays there for long.
Vietnam... or extraordinary rendition... if he's real.
diverts attention from Syria- check out Tarpley broadcast
China is investing billions in infrastructure in Ecuador for a long term relationship. The Chinese have a lot of influence while Correa is fine with thumbing his nose at the US - Assange - and certainly is no US stooge. Ecuador is a nice indirect way for the Chinese to finesse giving safe harbor to Snowden.
No way Correa would allow himself to appear to be knuckling under to US pressure about extraditing Snowden.
It seems that many in the "rich" countries do not understand that after all this time the bad habits of said "rich" countries are well known, studied, and ready to hand for all situations, especially in the western hemisphere, if one could be a bit diagonal about it.
What country's ambassador got thrown out of a landlocked latin american nation, a few years back, for proven destabilisation activities (clue: Let's burn a few Police Stations.. good luck with that when you need to call Emergencies).
To sup with the devil, use a long spoon, and I can see very long spoons all around me, here down south, any time you care to mention. Only grateful that the "rich" countries are throwing away all their credit, manhood, and friendship, in Central Asia and the Mid East.
You can run from these bastards but you can't hide.
Snowden knew this was a one-way ticket when he signed on.
He's a fuckin' hero in my book.
Good luck, Ed.
http://dareconomics.wordpress.com/2013/06/23/around-the-globe-06-23-2013/
Stay in Russia. Ecuador can be easily destabilized. You will live longer in Russia, and with more security. Besides, Russia is 60 times larger.
I am pretty sure that Putin is not exactly rolling out the red carpet for this kid. Maybe initially, but I would be scared shitless. There also may a point where he outlives his usefulness to Putin and I would not want to leave my fate in his hands when that moment arrives. He needs to stick around and win the crowd, however possible. The longer he does the better chance of him getting out of this in one piece.
I'm still of the opinion that this whole script has been carefully written and the actors are out of central intelligence casting.
I mean this is too comical to not be anything but a huge CIA op to punish the NSA for making Patraeus out to be nothing more than an oversexed frat boy...
Why did the WH wait until just the right moment to embarass Patraeus?
How long had the WH had the NSA goods on Patraeus.
How long will this distract the sheeple from Benghazi, IRSgate and the hundred other scandals plaguing this inept and bumbling WH.
In the intelligence world just remember paybacks are hell.
DaddyO
"I mean this is too comical to not be anything but a huge CIA op to punish the NSA for making Patraeus out to be nothing more than an oversexed frat boy..."
That's a good one. Could also play into potential internal conflicts between CIA and NSA regarding competition for budget money: eg $$$ for more field operatives/personal intelligenece netwoorks or $$$ for more electronic spyware infrastructure?
Concur, the truth does not get airtime through MSM.
NSA has the goods on everybody; get out of line and get smeared.
Indeed, Ecuador makes little sense
CIA agents are everywhere in South America, hit men are easily hired ... Ecuador is logical if Snowden felt sure he wouldn't be a target of the CIA ... Russia, China, Cuba with their internal security would be much safer based on the threats he says he feels
It somewhat goes with the idea that Edward Snowden is a 'limited hang out' deception op ... why did corporate media pump Snowden, when the previous five-plus NSA whistleblowers were all marginalised on 'conspiracy' sites and their material was quite explosive ... like the material by the NSA's Russell Tice that was on ZeroHedge the other day
Snowden was pumped and promoted by Mika Brzezinski, daughter of Trilateral Commission pooh-bah Zbigniew Brzezinski ...
Who himself described the big Wikileaks dump with Julian Assange as an intel operation serving US interests, filled with 'planted' material along with 'chickenfeed'
Veterans Today just ran another piece raising deep suspicions about both Snowden and Assange
Noting that both of them are very restrained about Israel and Israeli companies and the Israeli agenda ... despite the fact how Israeli companies are at the core of NSA's activities and Snowden's work
Like many ZHers, I would like to regard Snowden as heroic and legitimate ... but there are some troubling loose ends, starting with how he was pumped by corrupt major media and CIA-tied people like the Brzezinskis, and improbable elements in his CV
Certainly do wish Snowden safe from American clutches ... which indeed does not sound like Ecuador
Ecuador could be a diversion also. Hell, if I wanted to take a boat to Iceland I'd tell them I was on a plane to Russia/Cuba/Ecuador too. . .
agree it's a head fake, he's not going from russia to ecuador
Don't know. They kill him and they create a martyr and keep attention on the issue.
Was thinking if all this publicity called for a BS story, but actually, it is kind of clever. Difficult to get through to him with a hitman, past the journalist crowds gathering everywhere. Hidden-in-plain-sight strategy?
//R
Edit: misspelling
It just seems too easy to imagine them simply taking him out just as soon as the drone gets a clear shot -- send a message to anyone else considering stoking their passion for critical thinking and principled action.
I'm surprised he hasn't just put out a general distress and request for asylum to the whole world.
I have noticed two things about the commentary on Snowden.
1. ZeroHedge is the only large site that shows close to unanimous Snowden support.
2. On other sites, most who call him a traitor appear to be older, 40+, while supporters tend to be younger, gen y and millennials.
If I am correct, the supporter demographics seem to map fairly close with Ron Paul supporters.
Apperances can be deceiving.
Painting an entire generation with the same brush is tantamount to calling a 'TRUE PATRIOT' like Edward Snowden a "traitor."
The new USSR (United States of Secret Repression) has become a nation of hypocrits. The Wall street/Washington murderous, traitors/criminals receive rewards, while a "stand up and be counted" hero like Snowden is vilified and assassinated by these same low lifes, with cooperation provided by their lap dogs in the captive Main Stream Media.
Not trying to paint an entire generation, there are plenty of outliers. Only trying to get a feel for the general demographics and whether there is a fissure happening between generations that might make a difference in the future.
Also, understanding demographics is not tantamount to anything. If you disagree with my assessment, tell me how you see the demographics.
If there are plenty of outliers then, by definition, they wouldn't be outliers (just sayin').
As for the fissure between generations, simply type "generational gap" into the search bar at the top-right of this site and get comfortable in your chair. The gap is widening.
Plenty, but far from the majority. The point was being made to show I wasn't painting ALL of a generation with a broad brush, just most. And again, these are just my observations.
Do you see it differently? How do you see the demographics on Snowden support?
I believe no two people share all the same views about everything...and that demograpics (like economics) is not an exact science and will be more or less representative given the issue. For example, demographics may prove largely accurate with views on SS but not so much with Edward...hence my support of OLI's original comment.
Speaking as a first wave (b.1946) baby boomer, the only fissure I can detect is the one fomented by the power elite, redirecting public anger to create animosity between generations and away from themselves.
No jobs? Its those old farts that refuse to retire! Pension deficits to high. Its all those old farts who outnumber everyone else!
The power elite say nothing of failed economic programs instituted by them so they may further enrich themselves, yet drive the older generation to continue working well past the point they wish to.
To say nothing of the older generation and their employers contributing their entire working careers, into their pensions, only to discover that succesive corrupt regimes have stolen all the contributions!
Don't fall for the old split and devide and set each other against their fellow citizen trick.
Being a boomer myself, I think there is plenty for the younger generations to be mad at us about whether we actively participated or not.
Speaking as a supporter of Ron Paul (even though I'm not an American), I have never been able to understand the mindset of socialists or statists - Britain and Europe are full of them - or whatever other label one prefers to describe people who mysteriously believe that government is the solution to everything and therefore should be given ever more power and taxpayers' money to feed itself.
Corruption soon follows.
There is irrefutable evidence available going back generations which proves that most problems are actually created or made worse by government involvement, by playing out its own agendas of social engineering, economic manipulation or simply incompetence. Whether it's wars, economic crises, foreign relations, employment etc, government is invariably at the root of the rot.
It is for this reason that I have always supported small government with limited powers which is directly answerable to the people of the country where it's elected. The best way of controlling government is via a strong written constitution that is upheld by independent supervision, but even that is not failsafe as we see under Obama and previous presidents in the US who spend their time trampling over the US Constitution.
Only when a large majority of people come to realise that government is an evil construct which needs to be kept in a cage will global society recover and prosper. That won't happen any time soon because there are simply too many people feeding at the trough of government largesse, which of course is one of the corrupt ways that ruling elites use to gather support for malfeasance.
Smacker for PM !
Seriously, the whole career politician / special adviser / lobbiest merry go round needs urgent dismantling.
Limited terms of office / requirement to have been employed outside politics for 10 years plus before standing etc.
If only.
Yeah, if only...
Well, at least it's not a crime to dream. Wait, O'boingo just signed an EO. Report to the nearest "Freedom & Liberty Camp" at once, citizen.
I concur with your observations for the most part. Another website, reddit-com, frequented by gen y and millenials, is behind Snowden nearly 100%. But, being a boomer, I guess you would say I'm one of the exceptions as I solidly support what Snowden is doing.
I think, in this case, the divide is more between those of us who are "awake" and the sleeple; more than just a generational thing.
Reddit makes sense. I need to go check that out.
how about the folks that think it could just be a large scale psy war op.
and that snow blow is an actor working to a script.
if he is real he needs to shoot some hd video real soon.
ecuador safe haven you folks are smokin dope.
the old nazis had the cia looking after them.
wait a minute
***most who call him a traitor appear to be older, 40+,***
Don't make stupid assumptions. How do you know the ages of people on ZH. Support for Snowden is almost unanimous on ZH, but I'll bet this support cut through all ages. This has more to do with the awareness of ZeroHedgers rather than their age.
I'm now going to buy Ecuadorian coffee, cigars, etc. And come up with a new drink: the Ecuador Libre.
Chocolate from Ecuador is outstanding
The new and improved USSR (United States of Secret Repression) had better hope and pray that NOTHING untoward should happen to Edward Snowden. Even though an innocent event should result in injury or death, the world will percieve that its the actions of the new USSR.
Accidents happen... >>> Journalist dies in car crash
Hmmm... I may apply for asylum there myself...
http://www.tourist2townie.com/culture-food/top-10-hottest-women-of-ecuador/
Viva Ecuador!
Yes, a lot of Ecuadoreans are attractive ... we actually have a lot of Ecuadorean 'refugees' in Europe, over half a million Ecuadoreans in Spain and some make it up here to Belgium
The recent history of Ecuador is quite volatile, typical South American country, episodes of military rule, lots of economic and currency troubles. They even adopted the US dollar as their currency for a while, leading to a recent coup d'état just in the year 2000.
However progressive and positive the current leadership in Ecuador, it is intrinsically a bit of an edgy place for a refugee from the US, with little effective safety from US agents and hit men ... hmmm
Wait, you are saying that I can have hazel eyes and black hair on one woman? Sign me up :P
My best shot at this is that a shell game in commencing. Having been researching organized crime and involvement of those entities in South America: Carribean: Mediterranean; Africa and Europe, we are finding ties to intel here with direct beelines to treasury and the WH itself (think energy). I will not elaborate until the work is finished, but Ecuador is going to be a problem for him.
http://www.opeal.net/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=10428:security...
Surprise, surprise, not really. Following the money is always a tried and true method.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/21/surveillance-contractors...
Six of the largest government contractors doing “Top Secret” work for the National Security Agency and other U.S. intelligence agencies have given more than $16 million to lawmakers since 2007, according to Maplight, a firm that tracks political donations.
The biggest donors were Lockheed Martin, whose employees gave over $5 million; Boeing, Inc. whose workers chipped in more than $4.5 million; and Northrop Grumman, $3.3 million.
SAIC, Inc. and consulting giant Accenture each gave more than a million, while Computer Sciences Corporation, with $600,000 and Booz Allen Hamilton with just over $81,000, bring up the rear.
The issue has come under renewed scrutiny after Edward Snowden, the 29-year-old contract worker from Booz Allen, fled the NSA facility in Hawaii with a still-unknown number of Top Secret documents about the agency’s surveillance and data-gathering programs.
He has been leaking providing information to the Guardian newspaper.
The $16 million figure covers campaign contributions from the six companies’ employees and Political Action Committees, from the beginning of 2007 until the end of last year.
Congressional Republicans got more than Democrats, but not by much — $9 million to $7 million.
By far the largest recipient of campaign contributions was GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, who got more than $420,000.
All six of the companies included in the figures also have contracts with the Department of Defense.
Democratic Rep. C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger, whose Maryland district includes the Fort Meade headquarters of the NSA, and who is the ranking member of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, received the second most in contributions, with just over $225,000.
Considering the total amount of money involved, "Dutch" sold himself really cheap for just 225k!
+100
For the many $ billions of contracts given to these companies every year, the return is easily 1,000+ to 1. Remarkable ROI for LOG
Our minister this morning was saying we should take time to give thanks for the good things. So I said to myself: "Thank God Edward Snowden is hetrosexual."
give Tarpley a hearing- about 20 minutes in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEmbmfgbo_M
"Limited Hangout Psyop"
1 immediate mass media darling
2 nothing really new revealed
3 "road to Damascus"
The latest MSM flight punter reveals. He is expected to travel all over the global, MSM will feed conspiracy theories over the airwaves. Baiting some weak soul to confess N/S Antarctica as final destination. Last we heard, Flight 1666 heading into Toussaint Louverture International Airport. This flight cancelation may be caused by a US airport software bug. Refueling will take place in the air. Waldo will disappear again. Blah, Blah , Blah..
Been looking at Ecuador for several years now. Small country, probably about the size of Colorado with a varied terrain from sea level to 25,000 feet with some Amazon river basin jungle. !5,000,000 people so it is not crouded(2 cities Guayquil and capitol Quito counts for about 1/3 of the population) Chevron Oil and our government fucked them over a 10 Billion judgement which I understand is winding snake like thru the (ha) legal system that the courts guaranteed they would honor. (strange word in the U.S.).
If he has to run and there is someone to lead him in the Amazon Basin of Peru/Bolivia/Columbia/Brazil Rots of Ruck.
God speed Mr. Snodon----you are a mans man. Milestones
The CIA paid that little loser putz six figures annually. How funny.
sockpuppet
You've been on here more than three years and you think buzzsaw99 is a sock puppet? lulz lulz lulz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F4LiqYzBZY
Don't pay any attention to who says what here, rather I look for intelligent comment, of which your post was bereft.
I thought it was thick with irony.
If he is a loser and paid lots of money, then the govt. = losers.
If he is not a loser (because he was paid lots of money and valuable), then govt. = liars.
Gov. don't win any way you look at it. Govt. = losers.
The statement very tightly encapsulated the government's fucked up position in this.
Fuerza Ecuador, vamos!
I am still waiting to see evidence that this guy released anything that was already not out on the web anyway. This is a BS story all the way through.
If the Repubs had used this as a means to turn on our dear leader and impeach him I would think this is total BS. To see both parties galvanize together seems to indicate, to me anyway, that he has something they don't want getting out.
Good observation. Unless they really are that good at wagging the dog.
I am keeping an open mind that this could be fake, but for now holding on loosely to the idea that this is probably real. I think that is all I can do.
Not saying that they are not after this guy, though there is nothing that I know of that he released that we did not know already. The only people surprised that .gov is listening in on phone calls and hacking all manner of computers, foreign and domestic have really not been paying attention.
Well there is a difference between knowing something and really KNOWING SOMETHING. It's the difference between knowing your wife is having an affair with another guy and having video of them screwing.
Viva
Viva La Ecuador!
Ecuador extradition treaty:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/149517429/US-Ecuador-Extradition-Treaty
Ecuador suffered under the US led neoliberal policies for decades. Ecuador actually had 8 presidents in 13 years until Rafael Correa was democratically elected in 2007. Ecuadoreans are noted for lively civil disobedience when government oversteps their boundaries.
Rafael Correa is a leftist who was educated in the US. He is an economist by profession. Since being elected he has reduced poverty from about 65% to 30%. All things Required for life are cheap..food, propane, water, rents, local bus fares are .25. Literary is now around 92%. Education and healthcare are free.
The US had a military base in Manta but Correa did not allow renewal of the lease. There is no US military presence in Ecuador.
Ecuador is a beautiful country with wonderful people. Being there is like being back in the 1950's in the US.
I enjoyed working in Manta. Nice people and good food. Lots of life there. I'm not surprised they threw us out.
"I know that some of you attribute heroic status to that action," [Nancy Pelosi] said, referring to Snowden's leaks. "But, again, you don't have the responsibility for the security of the United States. Those of us who do have to strike a difference balance."
You citizens don't understand how all this freedom crap makes it hard for us overlords with the responsibility to protect you from threats foreign and domestic. Do you have have this responsibility? We think not.
Next: mandatory insertion of rectal GPS trackers or the terrorists win.
Nancy and her husband already made hundreds of millions using inside information gained from service in the capitol. She doesn't give a fuck about you. None of them do.
I think I saw someone else say it here in reading but it's worth reiterating:
Snowden is a "honey pot" plant.
His purpose is to help US intelligence ascertain current levels of political dissension within the United States, and around the world.
Certain US levels of surveillance have been escalated during this "operation" to be more sensitive to "Snowden" Polarization" for lack of a better way to put it.
Make no mistake, Snowden has polarized American political opinion.
And those who rule here want to know by how much.
If they are already looking at every text message, email, zerohedge post and listening to every phone call, they probably did not need to go through all this.
I disagree.
Snowden has become a "lightning rod" for those who think the United States government is currently overstepping all legal and Constitutional boundaries in security.
What a person thinks of Snowden is of immense interest to the United States government.
It makes no difference whether Snowden is a willing or unwilling plant.
What you are unknowningly advocating is what is known as the "Blunt Object Approach".
However, what is taking place with Snowden is a surgically precise operation.
One way to see this is to watch what the MSM is doing with it.
Snowden is a targeted intelligence gathering tool.
"surgically precice"? Ahhh... nope.
It's time for Citizen Self-Arrest form. All inhabitants (both citizens and non) of our country will be issued a stack of them. Whenever you have an impure thought or think the government is doing something illegal you fill it out, mail it in to some law enforcement agency (They'll be listed on the back of the form) with your confession and wait on your living room floor, face down with your hands behind your back.
First of all, you'd think Snowden would ask, "Please keep this quiet." It's probably Ecuador's way of saying, "Hey, USA, how about a big secret bribe of some kind to encourage us to reject this request."
more from canadafreepress...http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/56029
enjoy!
I would have chosen Russia over Ecuador.
The U.S. Spooks have too many resources in Latin America, and Ecuador will be a nice vacation for a hit team.
Sure, Moscow is cold, but the Russians are pissed off at us - and it is a much thicker briar patch for Snowden to hide in.
snowdons got as nice limited hang out spot in the sun,thanks to cia heroin from helmand.
syria and that new pipeline contract is the key.
ww3 and you folks are talking about a bloke thats said nothing of note like assange and hastings they follow the rules.
this clown is gonna have to talk real talk for this not to be a big bad act show.
Physician, heal thyself.
Can we slow down everyone. After 9/11 we were mad at the government for not putting together information it had. Now the government is trying to do exactly what we were mad at it for not doing: It is collecting and analyzing all information in advance. All other countries are also spying on everybody else. My only problem is IF this govt uses this info to harass people (like Obama and the IRS).
How much money did Snowden take from the CIA? How long did it take him to grow a conscience? Anyone who didn't already assume that the fascist gubbermint along with the nazcrack asswipes weren't recording every single thing is an idiot. All Snowden did was to wake up the stupid assholez who didn't know any better. Judging from the outrage around here I'd say we have quite a few in our midst. If you use fascist communication of course they are listening and recording. Damn, they probably have satellite infrared of people having sex too. If you're paranoid turn off the cell phone and modem and put tinfoil on the ceiling of your bedroom. Duh.
Of what value is citizenship if the government lets anyone and everyone cross the border, and then spies on all of us?
If they really wanted to protect us they would have closed the borders and physically protected us.
Instead, we have porous borders, porous rights to privacy and speech, and a government trampling the Constitution while charging someone exposing their spying with spying.
Therefore, their goal must be control and the furthering of the police state versus safety of citizens and upholding the Constitution.
"After 9/11 we were mad at the government for not putting together information it had. Now the government is trying to do exactly what we were mad at it for not doing"
No, "we" were mad that they couldn't connect the dots using the intel infrastructure they already had and the fully adequate information they already had using it. But, as always, instead of incompetence and turf battles between bureaucracies being admitted as the cause for that, it was because they didn't have enough money and assets, the usual claim.
Now, at least a trillion dollars later, we have a turnkey police state infrastructure we don't need. One that didn't stop the underwear bomber, the shoe bomber, the Times Square bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, or the Boston Marathon bombers. And, typically, even though it was business security cameras that revealed the identity of the Bostom Marathon bombers, there's a call for more city-government-owned cameras in Boston. Money!
this infrastructure is actually much more useful after the fact. obviously they can't prevent jack shit but they are fairly adept at ferreting out the culprits afterwards.
Don’t use Cuenca to Quito flight via TAMES. Thought I was going to die back in late 90’s. We flew through the mountain range and reached Quito in under 10 minutes. Once you saw the cabin door burst open at takeoff , alarms went off from the cockpit in Quito descend mode, and the captain was pushing a commercial airplane to the limits. It made landing in the old Hong Kong airport seem like child’s play. True story!
Tames is this known as:
https://www.tame.com.ec/