Snowden Lands In Moscow; Next Rumored Stops: Cuba, And Finally Venezuela

Tyler Durden's picture

Moments ago Edward Snowden landed at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow, but since the American citizen has no Russian visa he will remain in the transit zone. And as Reuters reports, we now have some details on his next destinations, at least according to an Interfax source at Aeroflot: first Havana, Cuba, and finally Caracas, Venezuela as had been speculated earlier (although this may well be misdirection). Oddly enough, no Iceland (for now).

From Reuters:

Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then plans to go to Venezuela, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot said on Sunday.

The source said Snowden was already on his way to Moscow from Hong Kong and would leave for Havana within 24 hours.


The South China Morning Post also reported that Snowden had left Hong Kong for Moscow and that his final destination might be Ecuador or Iceland. The WikiLeaks anti-secrecy website said Snowden was heading for an unnamed "democratic nation".


The flight to Moscow prompted speculation that Snowden might remain in Russia, whose leaders accuse the United States of double standards on democracy and have championed public figures who challenge Western governments.


But Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said he was unaware of Snowden's plans and the Foreign Ministry declined immediate comment on whether he had asked for asylum.


State-run news agency RIA cited an unnamed law enforcement official as saying Russian authorities had "no claims" against Snowden and that there were no orders to detain him.


Interfax news agency cited an unnamed source as saying Snowden apparently did not have a Russian visa, which U.S. citizens need to enter Russia, and that he might not leave the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport.

And the picture at Sheremetyevo arrivals hall:

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Cultural Capital's picture

change you can believe in

CH1's picture

My, how the roles have reversed!

Truth-tellers must hide from the USA and are protected by Russia, Cuba and Venezuela.

A long fall in a just a few decades.

cifo's picture

He doesn't have visa for Russia but has a visa for Cuba or Venezuela?

CPL's picture

Just's going to get so much weirder this week.  Watch how the msm starts going bonkers and everyone starts running for their own corners.


Then stand waaaay back, get the popcorn and watch the show.

Pladizow's picture

China, Russia Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are being chosen with the purpose of further embarassment to America!


The 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism according to the Communist Manifesto writen by Karl Marx in 1848.


  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial product

How many has America completed?


cifo's picture

"Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries"

Hence the sickle and the hammer symbol.

SafelyGraze's picture

after being "caught" in brazil, has headed to texas

spoiler: he is on the way to alberta canada

get the kids to bed! 


macholatte's picture


The 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism


I don't see forging a birth cert or denial of being a muslim on that list.

So I guess we're OK.  But that was close.

MisterMousePotato's picture

Too, you (Pladizow) left off all the social changes, such as normalizing and mainstreaming homosexuality, etc. They're just as important and necessary.

It's not 10 Conditions; it's 37 or 39, if I recall correctly.

lakecity55's picture

All but the concentration camps and the gulag archipelago.

Oh, and mass murder, coming soon.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Zero Hedger Moe Howard warned that Snowden's story might not be right days ago.  Let's not lionize this guy before more facts are in.

Going to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela is a very bad sign, he indeed might be a traitor.  Let's watch and see before you create St. Edward Snowden.

Tom G's picture

"Going to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela is a very bad sign, he indeed might be a traitor. Let's watch and see before you create St. Edward Snowden." - DoChenRB

Might be a bad sign for Snowden's reputation, might be a bad sign for the times we live in. Might be Snowden believes that the only way he stands a chance at living a life outside of a small cage (or living a life at all) is by residing in a part of the world that will not readily give him up to the American government or stooges.

cifo's picture

DoChen, where would you go if you were Snowden?

DoChenRollingBearing's picture



1)  I have no skills nor desire to work at an NSA, etc.  Moot question.

2)  I would not go to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela!  Enemies of the USA, don't believe me?  Check them out.  I have been to Venezuela, they do not have cifo's best interest at heart...

3)  I would STILL like to see actual harm done to NatSec (or not) by Snowden before judging him a Hero or a Traitor.  Look, I used to work (many moons ago) for the apparatus, there were reasons why things were secret, the USSR was very bad, I went to Poland in those days, they hated Communism.


Many ZH-ers are too young and not aware enough of history to realize that there were (and continue to be) people who do not love you and "respect your space".  There are enemies, foreign and, yes of course, domestic.  Let's wait for more facts, OK?

Insignificunt's picture

Is it too late to ask whether or not the state has a right to keep secrets?

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

You clearly were not around in (or aware of) the Cold War in the 1980s.  

Your question may win "Stupidest question of the day."


The USSR sent guys with questions like your to prison work camps.  Rectangular shaped, with a triangle in the corner for those who caused extra trouble.  Those camps has a very visible and easy to identify shape from above...

americanreality's picture

"I have no skills.."


Well you did get one thing correct in your posts.

cifo's picture

DoChen, let's just say that I know more about communist countries than you, They are not much different than the US of A. You can get "wrongly convicted" here too. At least there were amnesties there from time to time, and you had a real chance to rehabilitation. Property-wise, it sucked indeed, but at least everybody had a roof above their heads.

MisterMousePotato's picture

I am less certain than I once was that we live in a world where "Enemy of the US of A" = "Bad Guy."

Reservations started mounting for me when the Soviet Union fell apart, but the U.S. refused to recognize, oh, I can't recall ... it was one or two of the Baltic states (Estonia? Latvia?) Can't recall. Naif that I am, I was shocked.

smlbizman's picture

do chen, in case u havnt noticed we wear the blackest hats

and did somebody capture ur name its like you have done a 180 based on arrows....

freshfart's picture

Excellent. Now could you answer the question without all the abstracts.

Abaco's picture

Spent my high school years living in Germany before the wall came down. Yes the USSR was very bad then. Now the USA is.

Boxed Merlot's picture

where would you go if you were Snowden?...



Reminds me of the famous "Lion of Judah" seeking refuge in Goliath's hometown of Gaza.  Sometimes things at "home" aren't all they're cracked up to be.


Then David arose and fled that day from Saul, and went to Achish king of Gath. But the servants of Achish said to him, “Is this not David the king of the land? Did they not sing of this one as they danced, saying,  

 ‘Saul has slain his thousands,
And David his ten thousands’?  1Samuel 21:12-13  NASB


Who knows what the future holds?

Totentänzerlied's picture

I said this a week ago. Predictably, it didn't matter. The steeple got their underdog hero du semaine.

No one in their right mind would choose Venezuela orr Cuba, anyone who can't see why is simply delusional with hatred for the Anglo-Americo-Zionist axis. These two hellholes over Iceland or Hong Kong?

Anyone who buys this story is being taken for a ride.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

It does amaze me that so many have given Snowden divinity status at this stage.  Now I am curious about the love and cheers for Bradley Manning, is he a Hero or a Traitor as well.  Will time tell?


Note that this does not mean that I approve of the National Security State!  On the contrary!  I disapprove of domestic spying as much as the next guy.  It is just that Snowden appears to be taking the route of a Traitor rather than a Hero.  Man up, Snowden!  Come home and tell all!  Out with it, all of it!

lakecity55's picture

If you think in any way, shape or form he would have a chance to say anything in the US, you are deluded.

He will go to Ecuador.

seek's picture

DoChen, I have bigger issues with him working with wikileaks than I do with Russia-Cuba-Venezuela. We only know his presence in Russia is certain; my suspicion is he picked Russia as a place where he could potentially meet with embassies of varied countries without too many risks. Rest assured if he's real, he needs to stay away from any country or airspace that the US has any control over, and stick to ones with a strong enough international presence that he's protected. That pretty much would force him into the countries he's chosen. Don't discount that part of this is disinformation -- from either side.

I'd be nervous being a pilot or passenger of a plane he's on over international waters. If he's legit, I wonder how far the US will go? Blow him out of the sky and arrest Greenwald?

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

seek, I do not know that much about wikileaks so cannot give you a good reply.

If "they" took down a plane with Snowden and passengers (hundreds dead), well that would seal the case for the Snowden lionizers, I agree.

I agree with you re Greenwald.  He was just doing his job.  Tough shit for the NSA if a reporter reports, we need guys like him.


Why would he need to meet with members of various embassies?  That sounds fishy...

seek's picture

Asylum requests. As the new story here shows, he'd met with the Ecuadorian embassy for asylum, which futher suggests that some of the information disclosed may be disinformation.

DoChenRollingBearing's picture

Yes, OK..., disinformation upon disinformation will complicate understanding all of this, touché!  Ecuador, at least, is not a hard-left dictatorial state, even if friendly with Venezuela & Cuba (which are).  Snowden, presumably would be free to leave Ecuador if he chose, probably not so Russia or Cuba.

americanreality's picture

" Snowden, presumably would be free to leave Ecuador if he chose, probably not so Russia or Cuba."

You are so full of shit that I can smell you thru my monitor.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Yours is a false argument (by substitution). The argument is not whether a host country is perfect or has an unblemished past, but whether they meet the criteria as an Asylum country for Snowden.

By staying alive, the issue keeps getting the spotlight it deserves.

I for one, do not 'need more facts'. I need to see our Gov start having the right policy debate, rather than Deflect, Redirect and Attack.

CH1's picture

China, Russia Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are being chosen with the purpose of further embarassment to America!

Right, it's all a commie plot to discredit the righteous and holy US of A!

Snowden is running for his life and will go wherever he can.

His crime: Telling the truth.

Ignatius's picture

Snowden's Anthem:

To the NSA: "You're everywhere that I'm not"

zerozulu's picture

It will be funny if he add Afghanistan in his list.

augustusgloop's picture

Russia Today obviously is a forum to attack TBTB from within the US. How many hardons has Lauren Lyster given given a bonafide ZH reader as she interviews Max Keiser or Peter Schiff. Sadly because US news is so lopsided, you have to go to a source that, one might suspect, has weakening the West in its interests.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

Lauren Luster boner, you say?

"Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's ass, wife... commit adultery (in your mind)"

Well, thank God I don't believe in the 10 Commandments or this 'God'.

CPL's picture

Capitalism....communism...liberal...conservative...meh.  Thoughtful opportunity is greater than all as the ideologies are far too narrow too offer more than 10% of a population any satisfaction with the offered policial philosophy that wins.

Why not have all of the experiements running and if people disagree, that's fine and they can keep it to themselves.  If they want to make something of it, stick them on a golf course.  If someone plays angry, they'll suck and slice 18 holes and throw their bet on their own retarded lack of focus.   Plus 18 holes is long enough to talk it out for anyone.


Besides all of the listed above requires cheap and nearly boundless energy to happen in the current scale of population.  Logisitically it can't happen with the current situation.  People can't afford it, planet can't afford it, kids can't afford it, our pets can't afford it.  Unless someone can figure out how to replace an oil based infrastructure that took 100 year to build and so handy of a power source, it's not happening.

Sometimes to go forward, you have to go backwards a little.  We have an opportunity to step back and measure whats here right now and take inventory of what will work and what won't.  We don't have to build Rome in a day.  And again, the 10 things listed, they are handy social things, but they are all heavily dependant on diesel/oil.  Until we as a species figure out how to avoid shitting in our own sandbox and behave ourselves, communism and the star trek like future some of the nuttier of the bunch of us would like, it won't happen. 

I'm afraid to say that their hasn't been capitalism in the US for a long time.  So all most ever know is the state, it's currency, it's energy availabilty, it's institutions.  Some of it bad, but some of it very handy.  Seriously school isn't a bad thing.  Things like cultivation of bad lands...just need to look at Calgary what happens when building on flood plains that lead into your city even though Engineers say no but energy developer influence says yes.  Sad thing is more storms are heading their way and it's not over by a long shot, this is the beginning of the storm season. 

smlbizman's picture

im voting misdirection.....

CPL's picture

Oh no, this will be slightly different than the usual sock puppet show we've been experiencing.  It's going to have some real teeth once everyone is in their corners.

Oldrepublic's picture

US citizens do not need a visa fo Venezuela

bank guy in Brussels's picture

Venezuela, or Ecuador, or South America in general, is not safe for Snowden ... even tho Venezuela's government would be very friendly

Venezuela is full of crime and CIA agents ... who can hire assassins very cheaply

Not to mention the likelihood of kidnapping and illegal rendition back to the US or a torture site like Guantánamo

Aside from violent types of death, Snowden could die the death of short-term medical disease assassination, a favoured technique of Mossad and CIA nowadays

As seems to have killed refugee from the US, anti-Zionist Jew and chess master Bobby Fischer, turning up mysteriously dead shortly after arriving in Iceland, a Nato country where Nato agents had free access to kill him via the sprayed-disease technique

Snowden would be safer inside Russia or China ... or Cuba ... where American assassins would have much less ability to access him or hire thugs to kill him

CPL's picture

In a limited budget with inflationary pressures both from one's own employer controlling the currency, I doubt any agency right now is going to cut any other agency a break.  They, like corporations, require that cash flow or they collapse like a house of cards with prior pension obligations and current benefits.

This is now a case of the last man standing internally in a very bad economic situation. This is about who can do more with less and try to show who's got value to whatever is left.  Jokes on them though.

The KGB and other soviet block security agencies did it on the collapse.  Slaughtered each other and broke off into ever weakening fiefdoms.  The nature of intelligence groups and their history is well documented.  This situation will be no different.  We'll be seeing mil spec hardware being sold off the back of trucks once someone needs a water filter and a guy to install it for a base...someone's house...maybe a pipe bursts...doesn't matter.  Always breaks down the same way.  Anything not nailed down gets sold once NEED surpasses political will.

Pragmatisim starts showing up.  Then we can all get back to the business of putting all this back together again.

Overfed's picture

I, for one, would love to be witness to a free-for-all between the CIA/NSA/FBI/DHS SF/BP-ICE/et-al. Hopefully they kill themselves off completely.

JPMorgan's picture

There is a nowhere they can't get to him if he remains exposed in the open.

Ultimately he must know he needs to disappear out of sight and take on a different identity. 

To that end I highly doubt his final destination will actually be his final destination (but more likely his last known destination).

MisterMousePotato's picture

If I were him, I'd be seeking advice from Salmon Rushdie (sp?) rather than Julian Assange.

NihilistZero's picture

It's the exact opposite.  As long as he stays public they cannot wack him or rendition him.  To much bad press for little gain as the story is asktrady out there.  Snowden needs to settle in Russia and become an RT news contributor.  Safest public place to be.

DanDaley's picture

Hence the common saying among many defectors: "I felt fine when I went to bed, but then I woke up dead."