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Snowden Lands In Moscow; Next Rumored Stops: Cuba, And Finally Venezuela

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Moments ago Edward Snowden landed at Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow, but since the American citizen has no Russian visa he will remain in the transit zone. And as Reuters reports, we now have some details on his next destinations, at least according to an Interfax source at Aeroflot: first Havana, Cuba, and finally Caracas, Venezuela as had been speculated earlier (although this may well be misdirection). Oddly enough, no Iceland (for now).

From Reuters:

Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then plans to go to Venezuela, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot said on Sunday.

The source said Snowden was already on his way to Moscow from Hong Kong and would leave for Havana within 24 hours.

 

The South China Morning Post also reported that Snowden had left Hong Kong for Moscow and that his final destination might be Ecuador or Iceland. The WikiLeaks anti-secrecy website said Snowden was heading for an unnamed "democratic nation".

 

The flight to Moscow prompted speculation that Snowden might remain in Russia, whose leaders accuse the United States of double standards on democracy and have championed public figures who challenge Western governments.

 

But Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said he was unaware of Snowden's plans and the Foreign Ministry declined immediate comment on whether he had asked for asylum.

 

State-run news agency RIA cited an unnamed law enforcement official as saying Russian authorities had "no claims" against Snowden and that there were no orders to detain him.

 

Interfax news agency cited an unnamed source as saying Snowden apparently did not have a Russian visa, which U.S. citizens need to enter Russia, and that he might not leave the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport.

And the picture at Sheremetyevo arrivals hall:

 

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Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:38 | 3683563 Cultural Capital
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change you can believe in

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:41 | 3683565 CH1
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My, how the roles have reversed!

Truth-tellers must hide from the USA and are protected by Russia, Cuba and Venezuela.

A long fall in a just a few decades.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:46 | 3683579 cifo
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He doesn't have visa for Russia but has a visa for Cuba or Venezuela?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:59 | 3683614 CPL
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Just wait...it's going to get so much weirder this week.  Watch how the msm starts going bonkers and everyone starts running for their own corners.

 

Then stand waaaay back, get the popcorn and watch the show.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:11 | 3683643 Pladizow
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China, Russia Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are being chosen with the purpose of further embarassment to America!

 

The 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism according to the Communist Manifesto writen by Karl Marx in 1848.

 

  1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  3. Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial product

 
 
 
How many has America completed?

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:15 | 3683655 smlbizman
Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:17 | 3683666 CH1
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+ 100 on the pic!!!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:02 | 3683916 cifo
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"Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries"

Hence the sickle and the hammer symbol.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:12 | 3683933 SafelyGraze
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after being "caught" in brazil, has headed to texas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8VhUOfxDeE&t=5s

spoiler: he is on the way to alberta canada

get the kids to bed! 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:29 | 3684262 macholatte
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The 10 Conditions For Transition To Communism

 

I don't see forging a birth cert or denial of being a muslim on that list.

So I guess we're OK.  But that was close.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:31 | 3684521 MisterMousePotato
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Too, you (Pladizow) left off all the social changes, such as normalizing and mainstreaming homosexuality, etc. They're just as important and necessary.

It's not 10 Conditions; it's 37 or 39, if I recall correctly.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:16 | 3683663 lakecity55
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All but the concentration camps and the gulag archipelago.

Oh, and mass murder, coming soon.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:45 | 3683877 DoChenRollingBearing
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Zero Hedger Moe Howard warned that Snowden's story might not be right days ago.  Let's not lionize this guy before more facts are in.

Going to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela is a very bad sign, he indeed might be a traitor.  Let's watch and see before you create St. Edward Snowden.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:49 | 3683888 Tom G
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"Going to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela is a very bad sign, he indeed might be a traitor. Let's watch and see before you create St. Edward Snowden." - DoChenRB

Might be a bad sign for Snowden's reputation, might be a bad sign for the times we live in. Might be Snowden believes that the only way he stands a chance at living a life outside of a small cage (or living a life at all) is by residing in a part of the world that will not readily give him up to the American government or stooges.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:04 | 3683918 cifo
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DoChen, where would you go if you were Snowden?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:29 | 3683946 DoChenRollingBearing
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1)  I have no skills nor desire to work at an NSA, etc.  Moot question.

2)  I would not go to Russia, Cuba or Venezuela!  Enemies of the USA, don't believe me?  Check them out.  I have been to Venezuela, they do not have cifo's best interest at heart...

3)  I would STILL like to see actual harm done to NatSec (or not) by Snowden before judging him a Hero or a Traitor.  Look, I used to work (many moons ago) for the apparatus, there were reasons why things were secret, the USSR was very bad, I went to Poland in those days, they hated Communism.

***

Many ZH-ers are too young and not aware enough of history to realize that there were (and continue to be) people who do not love you and "respect your space".  There are enemies, foreign and, yes of course, domestic.  Let's wait for more facts, OK?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:54 | 3684045 Insignificunt
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Is it too late to ask whether or not the state has a right to keep secrets?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:12 | 3684057 DoChenRollingBearing
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You clearly were not around in (or aware of) the Cold War in the 1980s.  

Your question may win "Stupidest question of the day."

EDIT:

The USSR sent guys with questions like your to prison work camps.  Rectangular shaped, with a triangle in the corner for those who caused extra trouble.  Those camps has a very visible and easy to identify shape from above...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:16 | 3684102 americanreality
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"I have no skills.."

 

Well you did get one thing correct in your posts.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:51 | 3684307 cifo
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DoChen, let's just say that I know more about communist countries than you, They are not much different than the US of A. You can get "wrongly convicted" here too. At least there were amnesties there from time to time, and you had a real chance to rehabilitation. Property-wise, it sucked indeed, but at least everybody had a roof above their heads.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:35 | 3684523 MisterMousePotato
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I am less certain than I once was that we live in a world where "Enemy of the US of A" = "Bad Guy."

Reservations started mounting for me when the Soviet Union fell apart, but the U.S. refused to recognize, oh, I can't recall ... it was one or two of the Baltic states (Estonia? Latvia?) Can't recall. Naif that I am, I was shocked.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:47 | 3684176 smlbizman
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do chen, in case u havnt noticed we wear the blackest hats ever....now

and did somebody capture ur name its like you have done a 180 based on arrows....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:45 | 3684172 freshfart
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Excellent. Now could you answer the question without all the abstracts.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:00 | 3684622 Abaco
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Spent my high school years living in Germany before the wall came down. Yes the USSR was very bad then. Now the USA is.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:38 | 3684279 Boxed Merlot
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where would you go if you were Snowden?...

 

 

Reminds me of the famous "Lion of Judah" seeking refuge in Goliath's hometown of Gaza.  Sometimes things at "home" aren't all they're cracked up to be.

 

Then David arose and fled that day from Saul, and went to Achish king of Gath. But the servants of Achish said to him, “Is this not David the king of the land? Did they not sing of this one as they danced, saying,  

 ‘Saul has slain his thousands,
And David his ten thousands’?  1Samuel 21:12-13  NASB

 

Who knows what the future holds?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:57 | 3683904 Totentänzerlied
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I said this a week ago. Predictably, it didn't matter. The steeple got their underdog hero du semaine.

No one in their right mind would choose Venezuela orr Cuba, anyone who can't see why is simply delusional with hatred for the Anglo-Americo-Zionist axis. These two hellholes over Iceland or Hong Kong?

Anyone who buys this story is being taken for a ride.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:24 | 3683957 DoChenRollingBearing
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It does amaze me that so many have given Snowden divinity status at this stage.  Now I am curious about the love and cheers for Bradley Manning, is he a Hero or a Traitor as well.  Will time tell?

***

Note that this does not mean that I approve of the National Security State!  On the contrary!  I disapprove of domestic spying as much as the next guy.  It is just that Snowden appears to be taking the route of a Traitor rather than a Hero.  Man up, Snowden!  Come home and tell all!  Out with it, all of it!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:47 | 3684300 lakecity55
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If you think in any way, shape or form he would have a chance to say anything in the US, you are deluded.

He will go to Ecuador.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:22 | 3683952 seek
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DoChen, I have bigger issues with him working with wikileaks than I do with Russia-Cuba-Venezuela. We only know his presence in Russia is certain; my suspicion is he picked Russia as a place where he could potentially meet with embassies of varied countries without too many risks. Rest assured if he's real, he needs to stay away from any country or airspace that the US has any control over, and stick to ones with a strong enough international presence that he's protected. That pretty much would force him into the countries he's chosen. Don't discount that part of this is disinformation -- from either side.

I'd be nervous being a pilot or passenger of a plane he's on over international waters. If he's legit, I wonder how far the US will go? Blow him out of the sky and arrest Greenwald?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:32 | 3683966 DoChenRollingBearing
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seek, I do not know that much about wikileaks so cannot give you a good reply.

If "they" took down a plane with Snowden and passengers (hundreds dead), well that would seal the case for the Snowden lionizers, I agree.

I agree with you re Greenwald.  He was just doing his job.  Tough shit for the NSA if a reporter reports, we need guys like him.

EDIT:

Why would he need to meet with members of various embassies?  That sounds fishy...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:57 | 3684051 seek
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Asylum requests. As the new story here shows, he'd met with the Ecuadorian embassy for asylum, which futher suggests that some of the information disclosed may be disinformation.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:05 | 3684076 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, OK..., disinformation upon disinformation will complicate understanding all of this, touché!  Ecuador, at least, is not a hard-left dictatorial state, even if friendly with Venezuela & Cuba (which are).  Snowden, presumably would be free to leave Ecuador if he chose, probably not so Russia or Cuba.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 15:12 | 3684344 americanreality
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" Snowden, presumably would be free to leave Ecuador if he chose, probably not so Russia or Cuba."

You are so full of shit that I can smell you thru my monitor.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:31 | 3684134 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yours is a false argument (by substitution). The argument is not whether a host country is perfect or has an unblemished past, but whether they meet the criteria as an Asylum country for Snowden.

By staying alive, the issue keeps getting the spotlight it deserves.

I for one, do not 'need more facts'. I need to see our Gov start having the right policy debate, rather than Deflect, Redirect and Attack.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:19 | 3683670 CH1
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China, Russia Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are being chosen with the purpose of further embarassment to America!

Right, it's all a commie plot to discredit the righteous and holy US of A!

Snowden is running for his life and will go wherever he can.

His crime: Telling the truth.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:42 | 3683709 Ignatius
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Snowden's Anthem: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOZkzXkh0A

To the NSA: "You're everywhere that I'm not"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:43 | 3684010 zerozulu
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It will be funny if he add Afghanistan in his list.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:48 | 3684026 augustusgloop
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Russia Today obviously is a forum to attack TBTB from within the US. How many hardons has Lauren Lyster given given a bonafide ZH reader as she interviews Max Keiser or Peter Schiff. Sadly because US news is so lopsided, you have to go to a source that, one might suspect, has weakening the West in its interests.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:37 | 3684153 Kirk2NCC1701
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Lauren Luster boner, you say?

"Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's ass, wife... commit adultery (in your mind)"

Well, thank God I don't believe in the 10 Commandments or this 'God'.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:30 | 3683695 CPL
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Capitalism....communism...liberal...conservative...meh.  Thoughtful opportunity is greater than all as the ideologies are far too narrow too offer more than 10% of a population any satisfaction with the offered policial philosophy that wins.

Why not have all of the experiements running and if people disagree, that's fine and they can keep it to themselves.  If they want to make something of it, stick them on a golf course.  If someone plays angry, they'll suck and slice 18 holes and throw their bet on their own retarded lack of focus.   Plus 18 holes is long enough to talk it out for anyone.

 

Besides all of the listed above requires cheap and nearly boundless energy to happen in the current scale of population.  Logisitically it can't happen with the current situation.  People can't afford it, planet can't afford it, kids can't afford it, our pets can't afford it.  Unless someone can figure out how to replace an oil based infrastructure that took 100 year to build and so handy of a power source, it's not happening.

Sometimes to go forward, you have to go backwards a little.  We have an opportunity to step back and measure whats here right now and take inventory of what will work and what won't.  We don't have to build Rome in a day.  And again, the 10 things listed, they are handy social things, but they are all heavily dependant on diesel/oil.  Until we as a species figure out how to avoid shitting in our own sandbox and behave ourselves, communism and the star trek like future some of the nuttier of the bunch of us would like, it won't happen. 

I'm afraid to say that their hasn't been capitalism in the US for a long time.  So all most ever know is the state, it's currency, it's energy availabilty, it's institutions.  Some of it bad, but some of it very handy.  Seriously school isn't a bad thing.  Things like cultivation of bad lands...just need to look at Calgary what happens when building on flood plains that lead into your city even though Engineers say no but energy developer influence says yes.  Sad thing is more storms are heading their way and it's not over by a long shot, this is the beginning of the storm season. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:02 | 3683620 smlbizman
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im voting misdirection.....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:32 | 3683702 CPL
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Oh no, this will be slightly different than the usual sock puppet show we've been experiencing.  It's going to have some real teeth once everyone is in their corners.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:11 | 3683648 Oldrepublic
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US citizens do not need a visa fo Venezuela

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:48 | 3683587 bank guy in Brussels
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Venezuela, or Ecuador, or South America in general, is not safe for Snowden ... even tho Venezuela's government would be very friendly

Venezuela is full of crime and CIA agents ... who can hire assassins very cheaply

Not to mention the likelihood of kidnapping and illegal rendition back to the US or a torture site like Guantánamo

Aside from violent types of death, Snowden could die the death of short-term medical disease assassination, a favoured technique of Mossad and CIA nowadays

As seems to have killed refugee from the US, anti-Zionist Jew and chess master Bobby Fischer, turning up mysteriously dead shortly after arriving in Iceland, a Nato country where Nato agents had free access to kill him via the sprayed-disease technique

Snowden would be safer inside Russia or China ... or Cuba ... where American assassins would have much less ability to access him or hire thugs to kill him

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:12 | 3683650 CPL
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In a limited budget with inflationary pressures both from one's own employer controlling the currency, I doubt any agency right now is going to cut any other agency a break.  They, like corporations, require that cash flow or they collapse like a house of cards with prior pension obligations and current benefits.

This is now a case of the last man standing internally in a very bad economic situation. This is about who can do more with less and try to show who's got value to whatever is left.  Jokes on them though.

The KGB and other soviet block security agencies did it on the collapse.  Slaughtered each other and broke off into ever weakening fiefdoms.  The nature of intelligence groups and their history is well documented.  This situation will be no different.  We'll be seeing mil spec hardware being sold off the back of trucks once someone needs a water filter and a guy to install it for a base...someone's house...maybe a pipe bursts...doesn't matter.  Always breaks down the same way.  Anything not nailed down gets sold once NEED surpasses political will.

Pragmatisim starts showing up.  Then we can all get back to the business of putting all this back together again.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:03 | 3684631 Overfed
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I, for one, would love to be witness to a free-for-all between the CIA/NSA/FBI/DHS SF/BP-ICE/et-al. Hopefully they kill themselves off completely.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:20 | 3683661 JPMorgan
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There is a nowhere they can't get to him if he remains exposed in the open.

Ultimately he must know he needs to disappear out of sight and take on a different identity. 

To that end I highly doubt his final destination will actually be his final destination (but more likely his last known destination).

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:41 | 3684554 MisterMousePotato
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If I were him, I'd be seeking advice from Salmon Rushdie (sp?) rather than Julian Assange.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 21:50 | 3685362 NihilistZero
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It's the exact opposite.  As long as he stays public they cannot wack him or rendition him.  To much bad press for little gain as the story is asktrady out there.  Snowden needs to settle in Russia and become an RT news contributor.  Safest public place to be.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:25 | 3683686 DanDaley
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Hence the common saying among many defectors: "I felt fine when I went to bed, but then I woke up dead."

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:48 | 3684027 JOYFUL
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Snowdens' revelations are of more serious consequence to Israel than to the NSA.

http://www.darkpolitricks.com/carl-cameron-investigates-israeli-spy-ring...

When FOX pulled this 4 part story of their own reporters' development[due to sionist AIPAC pressure of the usual kind]NSA was busy warning all the other US security agencies about the dangers of israeli penetration and theft of the date being jointly collated by them... NSA regarded israel, as lately as this last decade, as the biggest security risk to the USA... because of their chokehold over the collection process. NSA has been gradually getting neutralized[neutered] in the same manner as the rest of the three letter acronym stoolies.

His chances are nil in places like Cuba, where the Mossad writ rules supreme; of all the places to flee to, right now, Vietnam is his best bet.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:07 | 3683634 ziggy59
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Yes, truly Bizarro World...roles have switched

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:11 | 3683647 lakecity55
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NSDAPUSA

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:22 | 3683829 Handful of Dust
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yeah, used to be everone ran to the USA for asylum....odd how the world turns.....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:47 | 3684772 Dingleberry
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Any word if his ex is going to do a spread?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:40 | 3683566 doomandbloom
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Run Snowden Run......

I have never been so scared about someone flying...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:41 | 3683569 CH1
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I do worry about the trans-Atlantic crossing.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:48 | 3683586 max2205
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I would have chosen the distance factor....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:55 | 3683604 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yeah, all modern jets controlled by computers that are linked back to the aircrafts manufacturer in real time. Oooopps control power failure at 30k feet, tragic accident.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:19 | 3683669 UnpatrioticHoarder
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Remember Snowden probably has a deadman switch set up to unlease a torrent of undredacted Above Top Secret material if he dies or is detained. The USA must tread VERY carefully.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:20 | 3683675 BigInJapan
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Not if he's on an Ilyushin jet - quite likely on the Moscow to Cuba route.

Russian "modern" isn't quite... err... modern.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:41 | 3683567 smacker
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Venezuela? Maybe Ecuador.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:43 | 3683572 Seize Mars
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Seriously. Seeking asylum in Russia because otherwise America will torture you to death - for telling the truth.

I hate America.

If you don't hate America, you have no idea what's going on.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:51 | 3683597 kill switch
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I don't hate America, it's government that has my repulsed attention.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:56 | 3683605 Seize Mars
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Correction. I agree. America is Washington, Jefferson and the like. The Bill of Rights. Honest dealing, Enforceable contracts and property rights. Freedom from income tax. Freedom from tyrrany. That's the real America.

This thing we're looking at right now is an imitation.

"America" was overthrown. This government has to go. It's illegitimate. We all know it.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:03 | 3683624 Kinskian
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You think this asshole Snowden is the solution? Cuba and Venezuela? Fuck Snowden. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:10 | 3683646 lakecity55
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Taking a coffee break at your nsa terminal, are you?

Get back to surveillance!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:47 | 3683741 Kinskian
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You'd expect for 6 years of Obama to have taught some of you people to think more critically. Jesus isn't coming. Snowden isn't Thomas Jefferson. We're on our own.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:57 | 3683766 Mordenkainen
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I didn't hear anyone saying he's the "solution." He's just one more snowflake. But enough snowflakes can unleash an avalanche.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:12 | 3683801 Yes We Can. But...
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1 Snowden is a good start
2 What is this solution of which you speak?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:42 | 3683727 Seize Mars
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Did I say that? Fuck off.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:34 | 3684141 freshfart
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Well we could always sit around and wait for you to rise to the occasion. Indeed....fuck something or someone but it should be the US govt, preferably up the butt and with a nice hulk fisting for good measure !

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:50 | 3684187 Kirk2NCC1701
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+10. Important distinction.
No need to hate any country, when its Elite and its Regime is the problem.

All wars (and conflicts leading up to them) are bankster wars!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:09 | 3683642 lakecity55
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Yes, DO NOT hate America.

Hate the criminals who have seized illegal power!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:18 | 3683658 Ribeye
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What sort of twit hates America?

You think this gang of child murdering thieves represent America?

Are you kidding me?

The American people are also oppressed by their crap, just like the flippin rest of rest of us,

"Hate America"

Give me strength,

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:43 | 3683728 Seize Mars
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Please read my followup post.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:26 | 3683839 LetThemEatRand
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Unfortunately, the propaganda machine has convinced millions of flag waving thought-free Americans that murdering children is freedom and they get a tear in their eye when they see U.S. troops drop from helicopters to kill men, women and children who have brown skin and who live in caves.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 16:57 | 3684618 MisterMousePotato
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Sorry, but I think yours is but a half-truth; to wit: I really don't believe that the millions of flag waving, thought-free Americans really think all that much about skin color, at least, I don't think they're as obsessed about the subject as you. Don't get me wrong ... I was as aghast as any at the scenes of the population of Boston celebrating the jackbooted thugs who illegally broke into their homes at gunpoint and threat of violence; I just don't think that skin color is as important a factor in the equation as you make it out to be.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:13 | 3683574 Cacete de Ouro
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you guys are quick....coffee time...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:50 | 3683583 francis_sawyer
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WTFF?... Wouldn't it be easier to just fly from HK 2 Venezuela?... [Fucking Rothschild/REUTERS]... Yeah ~ I'm sure they're worried about Vlad in Moscow, just off from his coffe & smoke break, will NOT rubber stamp Snowden's entry because his papers aren't in order]...

~~~

I mean, this is about as convoluted as that 'Hitler' Channel documentary that I saw that was trying to prove that the Cherokee were actually one of the lost tribes of Israel [& 'discovered' America]...

So, in skin boats, they:

- Humped it all the way across the Arabian Peninsula

- Put In in the Persian Gulf

- Braved Indian Ocean & Pacific Ocean cyclones & typhoons for 546 days & landed in Southern California

- Humped it across the SW desert & 2/3rds of the land mass of the Continental US...

- crossed the Mississippi

- & 'made friends' with some Indians near Tennessee

~~~

Sounds pretty logical to me...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:07 | 3683637 NidStyles
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I have seen weirder stuff on that channel.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:29 | 3683694 DanDaley
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The DNA tests debunked it, though.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:51 | 3684182 francis_sawyer
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Yeah I remember that... A booger filled 'geneticist' named something like 'Goldenbergfriedschwartzstein' duped the Cherokee into thinking the story was real, took all their money to do the tests... then said they were 'inconclusive' [with an option to PAY MORE later for a re-evaluation]...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:53 | 3683753 MissCellany
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It seems bizarre to me that they're announcing his moves in advance. I would have expected maybe to read news of his movements after the facts, like, "Snowden did touch down in Moscow yesterday, but left last night for an undisclosed location where he will receive asylum."

The press release announcing that he'd left HK for Moscow, too -- I get that it was a way of defying the U.S. authorities, but it also seems like a bit of CYA on HK's part -- "He's not here anymore, so he's not our problem. Go look for him when he gets his boots on the ground in Russia."

Any thoughts, y'all? (Edited to add that I see below how some of you are thinking along these lines too.)

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 13:23 | 3684110 Boxed Merlot
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Sounds pretty logical to me...

 

 

I consider the US fortunate in that we came very close to having a president who shared similar beliefs from his own teaching from the Book of Mormon.  At least with the current poser, we know where the conflict arises, the animosity between Abraham's "promised" seed vs. his eldest.  With the BOM, all bets are off. 

Now we only have to worry about the Utah information collection data center.  The Jews were the previous keepers of the records in Jerusalem before the Roman authorities destroyed it as described in the book of Revelation.  Now the likelihood of an IDF soldier having any of Judah's DNA is as great as a member of the Bin Laden family or House of Saud proving they don’t.  None of these murderous people can prove to be a legitimate descendent to anyone prior to the time when there was not "one stone left upon another”. 

Another amusing fact is the Jewish nation met their fiercest opposition from the Creator as a result of their syncretism which led to their Babylonian captivity and even afterwards when Ezra condemned it, many priests told him to pound sand too.  This only means the ME blood feud is every bit as crazy as the US civil war when brothers were shooting at and killing one another.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:48 | 3683588 fonzannoon
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Too bad russia won't make a stand and keep him. He is hopping too many flights. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:09 | 3683608 francis_sawyer
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This story is getting more retarded by the minute... If I want my dick yanked, I'd rather do it myself...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:58 | 3683610 RSloane
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He has already been invited by no less than Putin to seek asylum in Russia. I don't know why he isn't, but I am sure he has his reasons. If I were him I would stay there.

I was unrealistically hoping Putin would make an appearance at the airport and greet him. Nothing is going to change in the US until enough countries give the middle finger to the USSA, as did Hskar in Hong Kong. Their commique was absolutely brilliant. We are in an age where the gov't of Hong Kong has to remind the US of due process and freedom. Clearly Obama's signing of NDAA frightened them more than it did most Americans.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:04 | 3683621 francis_sawyer
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It's fucking RETARDED...

~~~

1. So here's a REUTERS article [saying "he's landed" in Moscow]

2. But there's only a Twitter foto of journalists waiting around an airport lobby?

3. But Putin's right hand guy is completely in the dark about everything?

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:25 | 3683687 RSloane
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I know. As time progresses, its almost as if Snowden isn't in Moscow at all. What a turn of events that would be. We were told that was Snowden'f flight, and we're being assured by Reuters that he is actually there. Meanwhile, the pressure is off Hong Kong, who have now turned the tables and are making very heady inquiries in the US about the freedom abridgement of the Hong Kong people by the US. Putin and his right hand men know where Snowden actually is. It may be in Moscow, who knows? We are told he is going to Venezuela which is heavily infested with the CIA, and has been for decades.

We might be playing 'Where's Waldo' and not even know it.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:45 | 3683738 francis_sawyer
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I commented on this 'weeks' ago [here]... I said my BS meter would start redlining the minute he started doing the country to country 'hoppity~hop' [with stops at all the 'AofE' countries]... This gives the 'cover' of branding him a 'traitor', 'spy'... whatever & packaging it up & selling it to BLUE PILL NATION...

~~~

Next up to the plate?

He'll have passed 'secret' GRID data to the Iranians &, quite coincidentally, somewhere in the US, a pack of eager 'beavers' will have a new construction job on their summer agenda...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:39 | 3684283 lakecity55
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We are mighty USSA, Hong Kong chimps. Turn over Snowden.

"Fuck You."

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:32 | 3683701 DanDaley
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It's called Kabuki theatre.  Everybody knows their part.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:03 | 3683623 lakecity55
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Yes, Putin could have made a master stroke of action if he escorted our young ronin thru the airport.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:04 | 3683625 ziggy59
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Might be a shell game... Bait and switch..

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:06 | 3683633 smlbizman
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only if u r believing what u are reading fonz....putin will have a patriot on his finger and his arm around another...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:50 | 3683593 nmewn
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Now think of his limited options if there was a one world government or currency.

If that doesn't send chills down your spine nothing will.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:53 | 3683600 infinity8
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Ima thinkin' they'll make exceptions and offer some hospitality if he desires to linger awhile.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:55 | 3683602 fonzannoon
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I just keep thinking of the scene from Gladiator when they tell Russell Crowe he has to stay alive. Win the crowd and you will win your freedom. He is winning the crowd.

They heckled Pelosi yesterday over this. we are getting there

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:40 | 3683723 CPL
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May the luck of the Marx Brother's be on him and his enemies find a comedy of errors in humorous and interesting epiphanies.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:55 | 3683603 rsnoble
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That's one plane I wouldn't want to be on. 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:58 | 3683611 Atomizer
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I’ll bet that members of our 3 branches of Government & two members of Supreme Court of the United States are on their third bottle of Pepto-Bismol. Committing treason has just backfired. The cancer within, will soon be exposed.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:31 | 3683978 seek
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I really, really hope that Snowden is 1) real and 2) had some sort of internal help at NSA that got him copies of the actual calls they used to blackmail the traitors within the gov't. I think that's the level of disclosure it's going to take to actually end this crap -- much as I admire Tice coming forward and saying this is happening, it's clear from both Snowden and Ellsberg's Pentagon Papers that hard evidence is the only thing that flies, probably because it can't be denied.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 09:59 | 3683613 Z_End
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I wonder if all the Cuba/Venezuela talk is just chaff from the Russians.

Cuba would be some irony. America's Most Wanted just 90 or so miles off shore...

Interesting times indeed!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:00 | 3683617 lakecity55
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Stay in Russia, or stay in Cuba, young man.

Caracas is too open to the wrong kind of spooks.

Fidel has an admirable clandestne network, which is how he avoided US assassination all these years.

Fidel is vulnerable to, but no friend of the Red Shield Clan.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:02 | 3683622 Wile-E-Coyote
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Who the hell would give out Snowdon's itinerary, come on this is disinfo. The only place that could possibly protect him is Russia, I wouldn't give him much of a chance anywhere else. Except maybe China.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:03 | 3683626 holgerdanske
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Hit them where it hurts!

I am waiting for an app, that can scan anything I buy and warn me, if is connected to NSA or prism in any way.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:56 | 3683754 Free Wary
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You don't need an app. google traffic analysis. Any packets sent over the internet can be analyzed by the NSA. If you don't want NSA to snoop on you, don't send any packets over the internet, never use any phone,  and don't give any information to any business or organization that transmits customer data over the internet. (for example USPS, UPS, FedEx, Social Security, banks, credit unions, utilities, airlines.) Basically if you want to enjoy your constitutional right to privacy just live like a homeless person. Beg for cash and spend it each day.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:08 | 3683638 TahoeBilly2012
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I love how he is dishing stuff out a bit at time. I bet every critter out there is on their toes....

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:09 | 3683644 Ribeye
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....and the Snowball just melts away...

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA:):):)

The fire rises

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:11 | 3683649 kdervin
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If Snowden is Falcon, who is his Snow(den)man?

Time to get Timothy Hutton and Sean Penn on the case!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:14 | 3683651 JustObserving
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Democrat senator Charles Schumer on CNN's State of the Union, saying Russia's Vladimir Putin most likely approved of the plan:

Putin always seems almost eager to stick a finger in the eye of the United States - whether it is Syria, Iran and now of course with Snowden... Allies are supposed to treat each other in decent ways.

Stealing 94 billion pieces of information from the world a month is inserting fingers in every orifice of your allies milllions of times.  But somehow you don't see that.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:02 | 3683913 Ignatius
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The actual traitors (Schumer) are showing themselves, are they not!

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:04 | 3684634 MisterMousePotato
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@JustObserving ... thank you for not calling him 'Democratic' senator Chuck Schumer. Hate that. Just hate it. Nothing could be further from the truth. (Notice that's how the supposedly educated MSM always refers to "Democrats.")

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:12 | 3683652 yogibear
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Just to piss those in the NSA and in a the administration off the Russians and Chinese will parade him in front of the international media occasionally.

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:13 | 3683654 lakecity55
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Butch up, Vladimir!

(unless you already own Barry Nixon).

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:20 | 3683679 Ribeye
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All hail Vlad and the KGB, protectors of liberty,

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:25 | 3684702 Overfed
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Who here ever thought that that could possibly become a true statement one day? Interesting times indeed.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:46 | 3683742 Yes We Can. But...
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Hope he stays in Russia for his own sake and to aid in further exposing the US cancer.

The USSR went through treatment and Russia and the rest are better for it. Now, the USA needs to face Citizentherapy.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 10:55 | 3683760 Ignatius
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Note that the corporate media is refering to Snowden as a "leaker" and accused of "espionage", and not as the "whistleblower" on illegal and unconstitutional activities he claims.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:36 | 3683990 seek
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And that this is a change from the start of the Snowden episode -- AP actually put out a style guide announcement that this was the new way to report it.

Which is why we have to get real US news from sources outside the US. Sort of like how it was in the USSR.

Jesus is this country fucked, we can't revert back to a constitutional government fast enough for my tastes.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:36 | 3684274 lakecity55
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I feel like I'm in occupied France, listening surreptitiously to the BBC at night, while a partisan stands outside the shop, ready to have us hide the radio if the krauts come by.

Geez, look what we have come to.

Utterly, completely corrupt.

Get off your knees, americans, or die on them.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:06 | 3683785 ThisIsBob
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Cowboys and Indians.  Love it.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:33 | 3683852 Winston Smith 2009
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Greenwald slams US so-called "investigative journalism" and, by association, the talking head asking the question at the end of this video:

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/52288327/#52288327

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:00 | 3683910 Ignatius
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God damn, that was a nice smackdown by Glenn on the lapdog David Gregory.  Thanks.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:05 | 3683919 Meat Hammer
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Fuck David Gregory.  He got his nut as the man-on-the-scene during the OJ trial for the local Sacramento NBC affiliate.  He's nothing.

When these fuckers start talking about breaking the law, I think of a Nazi refusing to execute a Jew.  "You know by not shooting that son of Abraham in the back of the head you broke the law, right?  Don't you love your country?"

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 11:53 | 3683884 Atomizer
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Told you on Friday. You failed to read the small print on clock.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 19:47 | 3680952 Problematic complications

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:11 | 3683929 luna_man
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Whether this young man had time to fully think his actions through, prior to doing what has been done, "the cat is out of the bag"!

 

Regardless, of the outcome, Edward Snowden, has struck a major blow to the CRIMINALS!!...

 

PEACE AND GOOD WILL

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:20 | 3683949 Z_End
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RT News reporting that Ecuadoran Ambassador is at the airport in Moscow.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:31 | 3683979 22winmag
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Send in the Seals and bury the imaginary body at sea.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:36 | 3683991 criticalreason
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sure is a lot of work to get a cia agent into wikileaks

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:40 | 3684001 Essential Intel...
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Juilan Assange 2.0 , in other words this turns out to be a joint CIA-SVR limited hangout Psyop after all: Details here:

http://osnetdaily.com/2013/06/how-to-identify-cia-limited-hangout-op/

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 12:43 | 3684008 Paracelsus
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Putin is laughing his tits off over this.Most fun he's had since wrestling the polar bear.And on another item,headlines should read "Snowden chased out of HK airport by rabid gang of Hollywood scriptwriters!".

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:52 | 3684309 indigoboy
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He's a very brave man. He's done us a great service, and I wish him well in wherever he finds himself.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:40 | 3685033 Money 4 Nothing
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Hello?? He's a false phrophet!?! Found to be still on the payroll.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 14:56 | 3684315 spekulatn
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Sideshows everywhere.

 


Central banks told to head for exit

 

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/455af4a6-dc09-11e2-a861-00144feab7de.html...

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 15:20 | 3684360 americanreality
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Link is a pay site, got a password?  

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 17:39 | 3684743 spekulatn
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Sorry for that. 

ZH has it up at the top.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:32 | 3684999 Money 4 Nothing
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Via.. Boston Brakes..

Disconnect your On Star. Pull the fuse, don't just un subscribe. Look in your owners manual for the location.

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:19 | 3684969 Money 4 Nothing
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Fallguy

Patriot

Click arrows next to your opinion

The name is Bond.. James Bond.

 

What a joke! This guy is one of them !! He's still on the payroll!!!  You know what tipped me off he is a phony? He is still alive. Trust me. These PTB will drop a building full of colladeral damage to get to him IF.. he is as wanted as they say he is aka guilty as charged.

I think it's just a clever plan to freak people out, OR, We got caught spying and Snowden was asked to fall on the sword.

 

 

Sun, 06/23/2013 - 19:36 | 3685020 fukidontknow
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Good for Snowden he's doing the full tour, he should make time to include Iran very good shish kebbab I hear.

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